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Lukashenko effectively reminded Obama of his "exclusivity"

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From the face of our planet in recent times almost completely disappeared politicians differing immediacy and integrity. The overwhelming majority of world leaders play pseudo-diplomacy, they strive to demonstrate what has become a name for the word tolerance, chatter, pick up words. Everything is in order to retain the electorate by all means (and artificially too), so that people vote “rightly”, so that the ratings are higher, so that the media abounds with positive articles and ratings. However, this often leads to a backlash.


You see, pederasts cannot be called pederasts, otherwise they, God forbid, will be offended and give their votes to other candidates. For him (a hypothetical modern leader of an average state), some homosexuals may be voting, but he is still happy - as they say, voices do not smell ...

Fascists and Nazis can not be called fascists and Nazis. This, you know, national patriots. And, you see, nothing terrible, that for the administration of their all-consuming patriotism, they are ready to walk over the corpses of other people ...

It is not recommended to place a Christmas tree in the city center, all of a sudden the local Muslim community will be offended and will again vote not for you, but for someone else ...

You cannot call a father a father, and a mother a mother, otherwise the sexual minority, which in some countries apparently wants to become a majority, will think that this is pressure on his rights ...

White cannot be called white, black cannot be called black. Suddenly someone in this see some hint, ambiguity, almost Aesop language ...

In general, on the basis of this pseudo-tolerance and pseudo-diplomacy among many political leaders, I'm sorry, the roofs are starting to go. And when, against their background, a politician suddenly manifests himself, who, without too much rotten pathos, calls things by his own name, then you will definitely turn your attention to such a politician. “Man!” - this is one of the options for reaction to political integrity.

So, the hypothetical prize “Politician-Man” during the week would be fair to present to the Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko. Of course, the personality of Lukashenka himself can be treated differently, and this is a personal matter of each person (both Belarusian and non-Belarusian). That's not the point. The essence of the words that the other day the President of Belarus said in an interview with Kazakhstan television channel 24KZ. Alexander Lukashenko argued on various topics, among which was the topic of Syria and the desire of certain countries to solve the Syrian conflict by external military intervention. In this context, the theme of the “exclusivity of the American nation” also surfaced. And here Alexander G. made a number of comments, by which it is simply impossible to pass indifferently.

Lukashenko effectively reminded Obama of his "exclusivity"


Speaking about Obama's words about the fact that Americans are an exceptional nation, Lukashenko remarked:

I, as a historian, cannot comprehend what kind of a nation is this - an American one, which has itself appropriated the right of certain exclusivity. We experienced this uniqueness in the middle of the last century ...


And if these words can be called a kind of intimate transformation of Putin’s words in his article published not so long ago in The New York Times, here’s Lukashenka’s reasoning about Obama’s personality - political immediacy, which today, to put it mildly, not all politicians can afford . Lukashenko-can. Straight and calm. Without unnecessary ornateness and other verbal "marmalade":

In general, Obama amazes me! Not so long ago, black people in America were slaves ... Today they are already claiming some kind of exclusivity ... I never thought that a person who came out of these poor strata would be able to conduct such rhetoric in the world at all ... This is unacceptable. This is extremely dangerous.


Well, Mr. American President Barack Obama, ate, as they say. "But father" struck you with an instructive injection, calling things by their proper names. What will you do now? According to the laws of the genre - a new portion of anti-Belorussian sanctions and squeaky exclamations of the American satellites that Lukashenko is the main European dictator. But this is already as old as the world, and, as you yourself perfectly understand, it will definitely not affect the Belarusian leader.

But the words of the Belarusian president are like the culmination of a famous fairy tale about the king’s new dress: “The king is naked!” The boy shouts out when a narcissistic naked monarch walks with his retinue down the street, thinking that he is wearing a chic costume. Lukashenko is not a boy in politics, but his words are close to that catch phrase - now a phrase addressed to the American president, who has lost the “dress” of his dignity, but considering that his appearance, thoughts and actions are a model of infallibility and an object for mass worship.

Good this will not end. God forbid, the Americans will climb there, as they climbed into Libya (and in general the NATO bloc) and begin to bomb. This is a catastrophe. Then the whole "Arab Arc" will flare up. Then will not find it all.

One was hanged, another was put on a stake, in Egypt it lies like a stalk, a man is suffering in a hospital. Okay, these are presidents. And how many thousands of people killed! What kind of democracy is this?


Kazakhstan's 24KZ channel is, of course, not The New York Times, but you can be sure that the words of the Belarusian leader will reach the US. Of course, Obama after this may want to in Belarus and chemical weapon search, but with this he will clearly have problems ... In general, Lukashenko - Obama, 1: 0. Goal scored effectively. The match is over. Will there be a response? - wait ...
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 4 October 2013 08: 01
    111
    Lukosheko is right, Volodin wrote a good article, BUT ... When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????
    1. vadimus
      vadimus 4 October 2013 08: 05
      76
      Old Man cuts the truth of the uterus. To the black president and hints are black ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 4 October 2013 08: 15
        207 th
        Quote: vadimus
        Old Man cuts the truth of the uterus. To the black president and hints are black ...

        Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...
        1. SPLV
          SPLV 4 October 2013 08: 29
          128
          I do not put a minus. But someone should remember, and in which year were the last laws passed to abolish racial segregation in the United States for individual states? Or can the fascism of white Americans of the 20 century be forgotten after the adoption of the blue laws?
          1. Romn
            Romn 4 October 2013 08: 46
            111
            Lukashenko well done, I was very reminded of his showing that it is better to be a dictator than blue to the German Foreign Minister! he is certainly not a politician, but he speaks beautifully!
            As for the serfs, no one in Belarus or in Russia declares the exclusiveness of the nation, we all walk the land. Unlike amers and by the way the Jews!
            1. Indigo
              Indigo 4 October 2013 10: 18
              45
              Also, about the goat, a barroso should be remembered ..
              Old Man, he is a man with a capital letter ...
            2. Col.
              Col. 4 October 2013 10: 56
              74
              Quote: Romn
              Lukashenko well done, I really remember his showing


              Lukashenko is not just a fine fellow, he is a true statesman, a patriot who does not change principles! Unlike our political prostitutes, who run from party to party, just to stay afloat (and the truth is: g ... but does not sink!). Lukashenko is the only (!) Deputy of the Supreme Council of Belarus who, in 1991, openly voted against the ratification of the Bialowieza conspiracy of three traitors to the Motherland. Honest politician, man! No wonder mongrel of all stripes bark at him, trying by all means to mix him with dirt. Nothing will work for these moseks! His would be the President of Russia, that would be the case!
              And Alexei - bravo for the article!
              1. Gennady1973
                Gennady1973 4 October 2013 12: 07
                +9
                I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, in Russia we do not have such.
                1. Mature naturalist
                  Mature naturalist 4 October 2013 21: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: Gennady1973
                  unfortunately in Russia we do not have such.

                  Probably they are, but not in the Russian government.
              2. kanoplynii
                kanoplynii 4 October 2013 12: 28
                16
                your truth, Old Man, his speech touched me to the core, well done, just didn’t want to harm him with our lumps, Putinovich would envy popularity and start problems between them, and I would vote for the right person with such a hand
                1. Inspector
                  Inspector 4 October 2013 19: 44
                  +2
                  You would not touch the President of the Russian Federation. A lot of people have done for the country, unlike the silly prime minister.
              3. Gorinich
                Gorinich 4 October 2013 12: 38
                30 th
                Do not idealize it. Of course, if you choose for president, fagot or Lukashenko, then it’s really worth it to choose. But, in general, he is a decent bastard ...
                1. Bepdukt
                  Bepdukt 6 October 2013 11: 56
                  +1
                  Justify your dirt, just do not bark.
              4. azkolt
                azkolt 5 October 2013 15: 52
                +5
                Yes, I would give dear to Lukashenko to be our president! In the late 90s, reunification with Belarus was outlined, and Yeltsin, though hesitated, didn’t seem to mind, the environment knew what was waiting for her and prevented her
              5. Bepdukt
                Bepdukt 6 October 2013 11: 53
                +1
                I fully agree with you.
              6. michajlo
                michajlo 6 October 2013 15: 56
                +5
                Colonel SU October 4, 2013 10:56 _131005 / sub
                Quote: Romn Lukashenko well done, I really remember his showing

                Lukashenko is not just a fine fellow, he is a true statesman, a patriot who does not change principles! Unlike our political prostitutes, who run from party to party, just to stay afloat (and the truth is: g ... but does not sink!). Lukashenko is the only (!) Deputy of the Supreme Council of Belarus, who in 1991 openly voted against the ratification of the Belovezhsky conspiracy of three traitors to the Motherland. Honest politician, man! No wonder mongrel of all stripes bark at him, trying in every way to mixeat it with dirt. Nothing will work for these moseks! His would be the President of Russia, that would be the case!
                And Alexei - bravo for the article!


                Good afternoon, dear Andrew!

                I totally agree with you! good
                In my opinion, Lukashenko would be the best president in the Kremlin for United Russia, Belarus and Ukraine! drinks

                But for such an anti-Putin saying, I’m here throw our slippers cheers-patriots / "Kremlin sing-alongs and sneaks." Probably I’ll probably have to put a protective net or goalkeeper mask (hockey) on the “Eternotovsky cable” of my PC. smile

                Regards, Michael hi
            3. Andrew-88
              Andrew-88 6 October 2013 19: 19
              0
              Yes, our president is beautiful!
              Many presidents and politicians are trying to express themselves very politically correct, so that, God forbid, not offend anyone. NOT ped..ki, but people of non-traditional orientation; not blacks, but African-Americans; not slaves, but people with a difficult social situation ...
              Here is our answer wink
            4. Buivol
              Buivol 7 October 2013 15: 39
              0
              Lukashenka is what a politician! By the way, from his remarks about Sikorsky and Westerwelle, it was completely unfair to remember only that it is better to be a dictator than a pederast. There were many interesting things. Let me remind you that after the European flirtation with Lukashenok in 2010. This flirting ended with zilch. And before this famous phrase about dictators and homosexuals, he said about this sweet couple (Sikorsky and Westerwelle) "These are terrible people." Unfortunately, I don't remember everything, but this interview was pretty interesting.
          2. vahatak
            vahatak 4 October 2013 12: 32
            16 th
            And in what year did the peasants get rid of the status of temporarily attached or what was it called there? And when the collective farmers in the USSR received a passport?
            this does not negate the fact that Lukashenko told the truth.
            1. Omskgasmyas
              Omskgasmyas 4 October 2013 19: 21
              19
              Here is the passport of the collective farmer. 1940 year. And why did the collective farmers need passports? Why is the US population still not having passports and for some reason doesn’t bother them?
              1. Professor
                Professor 4 October 2013 19: 25
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                Quote: Omskgazmyas
                Why is the US population still not having passports and for some reason doesn’t bother them?

                Because they take a job without a passport, sell an air ticket, buy and sell real estate, and so on.

                PS
                Police in their capital do not stop on the street and require a passport and registration. Well Uroooody.
                1. Mature naturalist
                  Mature naturalist 4 October 2013 21: 47
                  11
                  Quote: Professor
                  Police in their capital do not stop on the street and require a passport and registration.

                  Yes, and they don’t have an overwhelming number of security guards at the entrance to any place who look at handbags and car trunks. Well, freaks!
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 4 October 2013 21: 52
                    10 th
                    Quote: Mature Naturalist
                    Yes, and they don’t have an overwhelming number of security guards at the entrance to any place who look at handbags and car trunks. Well, freaks!

                    They have not yet exploded restaurants and discos ... here there are no guards.
                    Well, freaks! wink
                  2. Yazov
                    Yazov 6 October 2013 07: 58
                    +4
                    The last case at the Capitol. They shot a woman with a child in a car. That passport is not needed. A bullet in the forehead, then we'll figure it out.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 6 October 2013 09: 15
                      -1
                      Quote: Yazov
                      The last case at the Capitol. They shot a woman with a child in a car. That passport is not needed. A bullet in the forehead, then we'll figure it out.

                      Well, tell us why she was shot.
                      1. Bepdukt
                        Bepdukt 6 October 2013 11: 59
                        +1
                        The death penalty for eccentricity, well the child was not killed.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 6 October 2013 13: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Bepdukt
                        The death penalty for eccentricity, well the child was not killed.

                        An interesting definition. What would the Kremlin guard do if a car tried to break into it?
                    2. Yazov
                      Yazov 7 October 2013 16: 25
                      +1
                      Professor. You read the news, everything is there and everything is said. I think that in Moscow near the Kremlin a woman who burst in a car for fencing will not be shot. There are many other methods.
                      Last year, a man with a watering hose in the USA slammed, but mixed up! Come on, that little things, bang the whole store and buzzing. Then we'll figure it out, if something goes wrong, then we apologize!
              2. INVESTOR
                INVESTOR 5 October 2013 17: 55
                +4
                Well, live there since everything is so good, don’t get into our current ...
              3. Alexander Petrovich
                Alexander Petrovich 6 October 2013 11: 39
                +1
                Hello, they don’t stop, they stop, and how, but only at the request of free citizens who would think that you are a maniac just because you walked along the street.
            2. vahatak
              vahatak 5 October 2013 12: 27
              +1
              I meant in bulk and to everyone. In units and during Peter the Great they could issue passports. And the difference between the USSR and the USA is that the inhabitants of the first could not move freely around their country and choose their place of residence. For a young man from the village to move to study in the city, he needed special permission.
          3. DerSamowar
            DerSamowar 5 October 2013 17: 50
            +6
            I do not understand why you connect slavery and serfdom? In addition, as mentioned above, neither Belarusians, nor Russians, nor Kazakhs assign their countries exclusive status.

            PS Comparison of US policy with the policy of the Third Reich in "hammering in" exclusivity is just perfect. Well done, Alexander Grigorievich, young boy!
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 4 October 2013 13: 11
          27
          Quote: SPLV
          Or can the fascism of white Americans of the 20th century be forgotten after the adoption of the blue laws?


          Not only Obama, but also his predecessors, the presidents, speaks about the exclusivity or God's chosenness of the American nation. After all, the basic values ​​of American democracy historically grew out of Anglo-Saxon Protestantism (or Judeo-Christianity) and also from the ideology of the Hegelian superiority of civilized Atlantic peoples of the white race over all others. Tolerance and liberal democracy are just a fig leaf, a screen of just these fundamental ideas of the American ruling class. So who in America is really exceptional, whose lips Obama broadcasts. Who rules her 300 millionth population and wants to rule the whole world? First of all, it is the Anglo-Saxons (mainly descendants of immigrants from Europe) who occupy dominant positions in the country - in politics, business, in all significant areas of society. Separate exceptions like black presidents and secretaries of the State Department are just exceptions confirming the rule, a fig leaf of tolerance as I said. The fact remains: Anglo-Saxons are the true masters of life in the United States.
          They constitute the vast majority in Congress, federal and local governments, in ministries, military and civilian departments.
          Second, this is american financial elite of Jewish origin ("native" Anglo-Saxon Jews), which occupies an exclusive role not only in America but also controls the entire economy and world financial flows with the help of the dollar pyramid, or rather strive for this control. The ideology of these citizens is also historically associated with God's chosenness and exclusivity. It is not for nothing that Obama, during his visit to Israel, mentioned the unity of the spiritual values ​​of Protestant America and Zionist Israel. These two influential groups also compete with each other for power and influence, creating the illusion of democracy in the form of a bipartisan system (a vivid example of the last budgetary zugzwang, which, however, is not new and periodically similar things have happened before), which does not prevent the main idea of ​​the general idea of ​​exclusivity and the obligation from above all over the world a new Empire of Good.
          This is who first of all you need to keep in mind when they talk about the exceptionalism of the American nation.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 4 October 2013 13: 12
            30
            And when Lukashenko speaks for example about Obama
            More recently, black people in America were slaves ... Today they already declare some kind of exclusivity ... I never thought that a person who came out of these poor strata would be able to conduct such rhetoric in the world ...

            He is one hundred percent right, for African Americans (and there are almost 40 million of them) are few in American structures of power and business, among them a high percentage of illiterate and unemployed, crime and drug trafficking flourish. On the social ladder, they stand below the Anglo-Saxons. They hardly have any reason to say: “We are better than other nations.” The American Germans (and their 50 million), 42 million Hispanic Hispanics, residents of Chinese Chinatowns, Arabs, and new immigrants from Europe and Asia living in anticipation of a green card. Here is such arithmetic.
            US Ethnicity
            So there is no single American nation or people. There is no such country "One America" ​​as a melting pot of nations that turned everyone into Americans who are destined to bring the values ​​of democracy to the whole world. There is a conglomerate of nations with very different socio-economic status, and there is the highest ruling caste of the Anglo-Saxon “priests of democracy” and Jewish interest bankers with black president Barack Obama in service.
            1. old man54
              old man54 4 October 2013 17: 41
              +4
              Quote: Ascetic
              So there is no single American nation or people. There is no such country "One America"

              Quote: Ascetic
              the highest ruling caste of the Anglo-Saxon “priests of democracy” and Jewish interest bankers

              good good 1000 times "for" and 1000 "+" to you, Stanislav !!! Hats off to your wisdom !! hi
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 4 October 2013 13: 41
            +6
            Quote: Ascetic
            Separate exceptions like black presidents and state secretaries are just exceptions confirming the rule

            Well, here it’s not entirely true ... Obama’s mother was painfully jabbering, and in her relatives Bushes
            Among distant relatives, Stanley was a relative of several US presidents: James Madison, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, George W. Bush.

            All of them are from one basket, only this time they showed the whole world that they are so "democratic" and exceptional that they can even elect a black one.
          3. old man54
            old man54 4 October 2013 17: 52
            +6
            Quote: Ascetic
            firstly, Anglo-Saxons (mainly descendants of immigrants from Europe)

            Quote: Ascetic
            Secondly, it is the American financial elite of Jewish origin

            Here I am with you, Stanislav, in principle, I do not agree! Firstly, the Jews rule the world of the United States, and the scammers are not even secondly, but only thirdly! And this is only the management structure visible to everyone, externally visible that you described, but in reality everything is very different! And by the way, the arrogant Saxons themselves have a strong illusion that it is they who rule everything, that the system of governing Jews in their world is so cunning and ingenious! hi
          4. Inspector
            Inspector 4 October 2013 19: 47
            +1
            "It is not for nothing that Obama, during his visit to Israel, mentioned the unity of the spiritual values ​​of Protestant America and Zionist Israel. These two influential groups also compete with each other for power and influence, creating the illusion of democracy in the form of a two-party system." There is no competition, don't be fooled, a view is created, but the general direction is one.
      2. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 4 October 2013 08: 30
        48
        Quote: Professor
        Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

        What is the half truth? He called a spade a spade:
        "More recently, black people in America were slaves ..."
        Is that not so?
        You, Professor, have confirmed this yourself above ... So what is half-truth then?
        But did slavery end after the civil war, and was there no continuation of the infringement after the war (in other words, the real genocide)?

        By the way, if it comes to that, the serfs were not slaves and only a frankly uneducated person can compare this ... even though a "professor" laughing
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 09: 44
          51 th
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          What is the half truth? He called a spade a spade:

          Everything is correct. Only he forgot to mention that perhaps his ancestors were slaves at the same time.

          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          By the way, if it comes to that, the serfs were not slaves and only a frankly uneducated person can compare this ... even though a "professor"

          Semantics, dear. Serfs were free? They did not sell or buy? Did their master have the right of the first night?
          1. Very old
            Very old 4 October 2013 11: 46
            26
            I know, Oleg, it’s good for you In Israel on the fertile land of promise. Medieval Spain is forgotten. You would have been deprived of your virginity there on FIRST night. These were the mores (of the land of Russia)
          2. Gennady1973
            Gennady1973 4 October 2013 12: 22
            23
            Professor. You as a nation wouldn’t exist if Belarusians, Ukrainians, we, Kazakhs, etc., didn’t break Hitler’s neck. You know this very well and you understand, or again the "ghetto" needs you to think a little? Who went to America? Adventurers of all bridges , criminals of all races ... no culture or language. Lukashenka said everything right and it's not for you to judge him.
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 12: 32
              18 th
              Quote: Gennady1973
              Professor. You as a nation would not have been if Belarusians, Ukrainians, we, Kazakhs, etc., didn’t break Hitler’s neck

              Hitler all together broke a ridge. And for the sake of the Jews, no one specifically fought. About the ghetto, it’s better not to start, otherwise I’ll tell you about the Minsk ghetto, for example, and who created atrocities in it.

              Quote: Gennady1973
              Lukashenko said everything correctly and it is not for you to judge him.

              Is my skin or hair color wrong?
              1. aleshka
                aleshka 4 October 2013 17: 26
                21
                After the war, Russian and Jewish Jew met without arms, Russian without legs! Russian Jew asks where he fought ?? Russian speaks, the First Belorussian-mine was blown up when Berlin was taken !! Well, he asks a Jew, but what front were you on ??? he says, she didn’t ... THIS ME WHEN AT THE DRAWBOARD HAVE BEEN CARRYING OUT HANDS! ridge breakers! you know how to break bills well! Adieu!
              2. Bepdukt
                Bepdukt 6 October 2013 12: 12
                0
                Well, tell me, don’t stop, it will be interesting to read, maybe later I will write something about the Koganovichs.
            2. Current 72
              Current 72 5 October 2013 01: 09
              +4
              Genadiy, you probably read my thoughts. I also wanted to write about it. I fully support you.
          3. Don
            Don 4 October 2013 14: 08
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Only he forgot to mention that perhaps his ancestors were slaves at the same time.

            So he does not declare his exclusivity.
            Quote: Professor
            Did their master have the right of the first night?

            This was not always the case in medieval feudal Europe.
          4. chehywed
            chehywed 4 October 2013 21: 54
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Did their master have the right of the first night?

            No, I didn’t. Do not confuse serfdom with feudal law.
          5. DmitriRazumov
            DmitriRazumov 6 October 2013 15: 30
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Semantics, dear. Serfs were free? They did not sell or buy? Did their master have the right of the first night?

            It is necessary to distinguish between the concepts of "serfdom" (KP) and slavery as such. KP arose as a need to support the nobles and children of the boyars, which. gave their military duty to the fatherland, perished incessantly in numerous wars. led by the state, therefore, future estates and other class advantages were earned by military labor and with a real risk to life. Many noblemen left this estate and became free peasants, one-courtiers, so as not to risk and not carry out the royal service. In Russia, up to 60% of "serfs" were state peasants, not counting free peasants, as well as peasants, monastic peasants, as well as peasants engaged in business, with the permission of landowners, some of which. were richer than their overlords and paid them a substantial rent. For state peasants, there were laws and regulations by which. they had the right to elect local government and police chiefs (police captains). Many modern states can envy this level of development of "democracy". The most rabid serfdom fell on the reign of the most "enlightened" and European empress of the German woman, Catherine II. At this time, the nobles received practically unlimited rights, and their vassals, the peasants, had to "exercise" them. The nobles no longer served, in the manner of the Poles called themselves "gentry" and, adopting the habits of the Polish gentry, were engaged in the construction of mansions and the merciless exploitation of their estates. Hence the cruel peasant uprisings (Pugachevism). Everything began to change under Nicholas I. Up to 10 different committees and commissions were created. legislatively sharply and consistently limited the rights of landowners, forced them to mortgage estates and property and sell peasants to the state. Therefore, the reforms of 1961. were prepared long before that. And therefore, to equate serfs and slaves is at least incorrect.
            1. DmitriRazumov
              DmitriRazumov 6 October 2013 16: 09
              0
              Quote: DmitriRazumov
              Therefore, the reforms of 1961.
              Here: Reforms of 1861 ...
              1. Professor
                Professor 6 October 2013 18: 17
                -3
                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                It is necessary to distinguish between the concepts of "serfdom" (KP) and slavery as such.

                Slavery had different forms and different names. And today there is slavery. For example, when a girl’s passport is taken away, forced to engage in prostitution, resold from one owner to another, if she escapes she is caught, etc.

                Let's look at the definition of slavery and you yourself will see that serfs were slaves.
                Slavery

                Slavery Convention
                The following definitions are adopted in this Convention:

                1. Slavery means the position or condition of a person in respect of whom some or all of the powers inherent in the right of ownership are exercised.

                2. The slave trade is understood to mean all actions related to the capture, acquisition of a person or with his disposal in order to convert him into slavery; all actions related to the acquisition of a slave for the purpose of its sale or exchange; all valid High Contracting Parties taken for this purpose, and in general any action to trade or transport slaves.
                1. DmitriRazumov
                  DmitriRazumov 7 October 2013 14: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Professor
                  Slavery Convention
                  The following definitions are adopted in this Convention:

                  1. Slavery means the position or condition of a person in respect of whom some or all of the powers inherent in the right of ownership are exercised.

                  Once again ... Serfdom initially arose as a form of social contract between estates, which. performed various functions in the state. You risk your life, carry out royal service, ensure border security and create conditions for agriculture and other types of economic activity, we provide you with acceptable living conditions, provide you and your families with food, etc. we provide the necessary means for arming, etc. etc.
                  The fortress meant that the peasant could not leave his overlord for a certain time, because in Russia, especially in the developed territories allocated to the nobles, the peasants did not really want to live. Therefore, in order to ensure the fulfillment of the conditions of this social contract and to ensure the maintenance of the army, the peasants were assigned to the landowners who. did not have the right to encroach on their lives. "The landowner did not have the right to resettle the peasants from the state estate to their private possessions, because the inhabitants of the estate were under no circumstances considered the property of the landowner, but exclusively free state taxpayers, temporarily obliged to replace their direct payments to the state treasury with indirect payments - in favor of the" landowner ", Ie a person serving the state with his education or military skill, and therefore taken by the state for maintenance. The serf could not be deprived of land at the will of the master and turned into a courtyard; he had the opportunity to bring a complaint to the court for unjust extortions; the law even threatened punishment to the landowner, from whose beatings a peasant could die, and the victim's family received compensation from the offender's property.Since the end of the 17th century, hidden transactions for the purchase / sale of peasants between landowners gradually come into practice, they also give serfs as dowries, etc. But it was, nevertheless, about resettlement, relocation of land Lycev, and certainly together with his family, from one estate to another. The law prohibited the landlessness of the peasants. In addition, trade in serfs was prohibited. "
                  Moreover, in Russia, unlike in Europe, serfs always had a choice. It was possible to "desert" to the newly developed territories in the steppe, from which. By a tsarist decree, it was forbidden to return the fugitive landowners, or to join the Cossacks.
                  Under Peter, any serf or serf could, without the permission of the landowner, sign up for military service, rise to the rank of officer and even become the head of the former overlord, receive noble dignity and, upon receiving the rank of staff officer, assign the nobility to descendants.
                  Leskov also has good works on this subject, which describe episodes when the governor sends a captain-commander to the landowner in order to stop the physical punishment (flogging) of the peasants.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 7 October 2013 20: 45
                    -1
                    Quote: DmitriRazumov
                    Again.

                    Yes, at least a hundred times. No matter how beautifully they try to wrap serfdom, it is even by definition a slavery, since some people are in the ownership of others. Everything else is demagogy.

                    Slavery refers to the position or condition of a person in respect of whom some or all of the powers inherent in the right of ownership are exercised.
                    The serfs were in of property their master. This is elementary.
          6. Sochi
            Sochi 9 October 2013 22: 15
            0
            Unlike slaves, serfs were sold with land. The serf had the right to redemption (though it was really difficult to use it), and by the way, for the "right of the first night," they could deprive the noble title, the serfs also had rights ... And they were serfs because they were assigned to the land owned by the landowners.
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 4 October 2013 15: 26
          11
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          serfs were not

          Russia is probably the only major power in the development of which there was no slave system.
        3. chehywed
          chehywed 4 October 2013 21: 50
          +2
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          By the way, for that matter, the serfs were not

          Of course, I'm cruelly sorry ... that is, in your opinion, under serfdom, landowners traded in free people? Does the saying "here's your grandmother and St. George's day" at least remind you of something?
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 4 October 2013 08: 48
        26
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: vadimus
        Old Man cuts the truth of the uterus. To the black president and hints are black ...

        Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...


        Where is the content?

        In America, slavery was, and not serfdom, things are a bit different.

        The ancestors of most Russians and Belarusians were serfs, do not go to a fortuneteller.
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 4 October 2013 12: 35
          +4
          Quote: Geisenberg
          The ancestors of most Russians and Belarusians were serfs, do not go to a fortuneteller.

          Actually, 1/3 of the peasants at the time of 1861. So you have to go to the fortuneteller or at least to the archive.
        2. old man54
          old man54 4 October 2013 18: 03
          14
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: vadimus
          Old Man cuts the truth of the uterus. To the black president and hints are black ...

          Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...


          Where is the content?

          In America, slavery was, and not serfdom, things are a bit different.

          The ancestors of most Russians and Belarusians were serfs, do not go to a fortuneteller.

          why do you argue with this nonsense that is Zionist, his knowledge of history at the level of a secondary school !! To equate serfdom (which is feudalism) and slavery can only ignoramuses or pharise Jews! In Siberia, for example, serfdom never existed, NEVER!!, and largely because there was plenty of land for cultivation and survival for all, and in abundance! hi
      4. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 4 October 2013 08: 51
        41
        Maybe they were serfs, but But father does not shout about the exclusivity of the Belarusian people over everyone else, like a descendant of slaves.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 09: 45
          17 th
          Quote: Black Colonel
          Maybe they were serfs, but But father does not shout about the exclusivity of the Belarusian people over everyone else, like a descendant of slaves.

          As far as I remember, Obama was born at all in the Harbors in the family of an emigrant from Kenya. And his direct ancestors were not slaves.
          The fact that he (Obama) "shouts" about exclusivity is not smart. fool
          1. ruslan207
            ruslan207 4 October 2013 10: 00
            13
            In Kenya, even now slavery can anyone know
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 10: 02
              -1
              Quote: ruslan207
              In Kenya, even now slavery can anyone know

              Then his relatives are slaveholders there. wink
              1. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 4 October 2013 20: 27
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: ruslan207
                In Kenya, even now slavery can anyone know

                Then his relatives are slaveholders there. wink


                Well, after all, superpower is unscrewed from any position in a state))
                they say in vain that in the winter the Eskimos can also get snow at the highest price)
            2. vkrav
              vkrav 4 October 2013 19: 50
              +4
              Quote: ruslan207
              In Kenya, even now slavery can anyone know

              What does it mean "who knows?" Almost everywhere in Muslim Africa there is slavery and the slave trade - mainly with Arabs. This is a tradition. Nobody really hides it ...
          2. Bort radist
            Bort radist 4 October 2013 11: 13
            +6
            Quote: Professor
            As far as I remember, Obama was born at all in the Harbors in the family of an emigrant from Kenya.

            You can’t remember this, it was written somewhere.
          3. kanoplynii
            kanoplynii 4 October 2013 12: 20
            0
            I don’t know if it’s true or not, I read on the deceitful Internet that the Cook Lus clan gave the go-ahead to hunting the Amer’s president as the black Committee’s 300 non-fulfilling order and breaking their voracious plans to seize the land honestly to say Old Man from God I was touched by his heart to the truth that's who you need as president of a world government
          4. kanoplynii
            kanoplynii 4 October 2013 12: 20
            +1
            I don’t know if it’s true or not, I read on the deceitful Internet that the Cook Lus clan gave the go-ahead to hunting the Amer’s president as the black Committee’s 300 non-fulfilling order and breaking their voracious plans to seize the land honestly to say Old Man from God I was touched by his heart to the truth that's who you need as president of a world government
          5. Dima67
            Dima67 4 October 2013 12: 39
            +5
            And in Hawaii, his ancestors emigrated from a long and happy life? You are a professor, your will, you say something wrong. Somehow you love him very much. Why's that?
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 12: 42
              -8
              Quote: Dima67
              Somehow you love him very much. Why's that?

              Personally, I "love" Obama a little more than Assad. He is one of the worst presidents in the United States.
              1. Dima67
                Dima67 4 October 2013 12: 59
                +2
                Well then? Objection for objection?
                1. aleshka
                  aleshka 4 October 2013 17: 33
                  12
                  Yes, he is for any reason a troll, if only to crap the Russians, Belarusians, well, in general, not Jews !!!
              2. Don
                Don 4 October 2013 14: 11
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Personally, I "love" Obama a little more than Assad. He is one of the worst presidents in the United States.

                And why is it your worst?
              3. Kushadasov
                Kushadasov 4 October 2013 15: 02
                12
                Porridge in your head, dear ... to compare a black man who has jumped out on a political Olympus like a devil from a snuff-box and a worthy, wise, though comparative young leader of a country that has been holding hordes of villains and bastards of all stripes for years, showing the wonders of heroism and stamina.

                And Alexander Grigorievich is right as always. Low bow to him for truthfulness, justice and wisdom. Some have "partners", and he has "enemies". And that's fair.
              4. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 4 October 2013 20: 11
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: Dima67
                Somehow you love him very much. Why's that?

                Personally, I "love" Obama a little more than Assad. He is one of the worst presidents in the United States.


                everything is right, everything is so and conceived by the truly ruling elite America with a quota of exclusiveness))!
                to bring precisely the black president to power in the most difficult (economic) time for the United States to further expose him as a scapegoat in front of the people and to blame him (on the former black slave (possibly!) for all the economic tensions and political failures of the states!
                the beautiful move of the true puppeteers wasn’t happy to accuse the slaves themselves of all the problems of the United States))
              5. Bort radist
                Bort radist 6 October 2013 07: 42
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                Personally, I "love" Obama a little more than Assad.

                The US State Department said the process of providing military aid to Israel and other states could be "delayed." The American fiscal year began on October 1. America has pledged $ 3,1 billion in military aid to Israel.
                13 006 users like this.

                Have a chat, dear laughing,
                PS The one who lies a lot does not believe anyone (Heb. Proverb).
              6. Valkyrie
                Valkyrie 10 October 2013 11: 39
                -1
                What does Assad have to do with it? And is it even possible to compare them? Assad is an educated intelligent man from a noble family. And Obama - who? Riffraff nigger.
          6. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 4 October 2013 13: 04
            +7
            Duc in Kenya has not all climbed down from the trees. Maybe the EXCLUSIVE ones who are already tears? ...
      5. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 4 October 2013 08: 54
        +9
        Slavery and serfdom vary somewhat in scale and in essence.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 09: 46
          27 th
          Quote: 77bob1973
          Slavery and serfdom vary somewhat in scale and in essence.

          Well yes? Write us the differences. Pliz
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 4 October 2013 10: 38
            23
            Quote: Professor
            Well yes? Write us the differences. Pliz

            Serfdom refers to the feudal system. This is a form of vassal-overlord relationship. In wartime, the serf became a soldier. And he went to war not by force but consciously. You can recall the partisans who fought with Napoleon voluntarily.
            A slave will never take a weapon - he has nothing to protect.
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 10: 46
              -7
              Quote: Metlik
              A slave will never take a weapon - he has nothing to protect.

              And that is not true. slaves have always been used in armed conflicts since Egypt and the Roman Empire.
              1. Don
                Don 4 October 2013 14: 37
                +7
                Quote: Professor
                And that is not true. slaves have always been used in armed conflicts since Egypt and the Roman Empire.

                Now this is no need to lie. In Egypt, during the war, a militia was recruited from the nomes (regions), there were also Nubian mercenaries in the service of the pharaoh. In the Roman Empire, before the reform, Mary also gathered a militia, only during the Second Punic War, after the defeat of the Romans at Cannes, they began to temporarily form detachments of slaves for a while. After the reform, Mary's army became professional and was formed from the citizens of Rome, as well as auxiliary troops from the so-called allied peoples.
                During the American Revolutionary War, both Americans and British recruited slaves into their armies promising them freedom later.
                And do not compare serfs with slaves. Slaves had no rights, but serfs had. According to the Council Code, the owner of the estate does not have the right to encroach on the life of a peasant and deprive him of a land plot. Moreover, serfdom did not exist at all in a large part of the Russian Empire.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 4 October 2013 15: 08
                  10 th
                  Quote: Don
                  Now this is no need to lie

                  ... and my words themselves confirmed how slaves served in the army.

                  Quote: Don
                  Slaves had no rights, but serfs had.

                  Both were goods. Only their name is different.

                  Quote: Don
                  Moreover, serfdom did not exist at all in a large part of the Russian Empire.

                  By area, yes, but not by population.
                  1. Don
                    Don 4 October 2013 17: 50
                    +7
                    Quote: Professor
                    ... and my words themselves confirmed how slaves served in the army.

                    I repeat once again. You lied about Egypt. In the Roman Army, the American and British Army, these were isolated cases. And you write from time immemorial and have always been used. Warm with soft should not be confused.
                    Quote: Professor
                    Both were goods. Only their name is different.

                    Yes, the goods. Only a serf peasant once a week, on the land of the landowner, could work for himself. I could earn extra money for it. They did not have the right to kill him. And he had a family and a house with a small household. But the slave had nothing, they had only him. And do not compare a normal house with the shacks in which the slaves lived.
                    You want to say that less people lived in the south, Urals, Siberia, the Black Sea region, the North of Russia than in the central part? I doubt it very much. Provide at least correlation data.
              2. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 4 October 2013 15: 42
                +1
                Slaves were used as cannon fodder.
              3. Metlik
                Metlik 4 October 2013 16: 01
                +4
                I should put it more precisely - the slave will not take up arms, will not defend the country. Of course, he can be a mercenary, or just human meat, which is driven to a slaughterhouse.
            2. vahatak
              vahatak 4 October 2013 12: 38
              +3
              The difference, of course, is, but not that the slaves did not take up arms. There were whole armies of slaves, for example, Mamelukes.
            3. In the reeds
              In the reeds 4 October 2013 14: 51
              +1
              The vassal of my vassal is not my vassal, that is how history was taught in the USSR. That is, your slaves, family, living creatures, in the stall are not slaves, minions of your patron (above you). The social system is not waved, but relatively protected. And serfdom, as they taught there, is who I want to rake ... it's 1990 or something like that
          2. IRBIS
            IRBIS 4 October 2013 10: 48
            14
            Quote: Professor
            Well yes? Write us the differences. Pliz

            Have you tried to study at school? This is material, in my opinion, of the sixth grade.
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 11: 27
              -8
              Quote: IRBIS
              Have you tried to study at school? This is material, in my opinion, of the sixth grade.

              So it’s easy for you to explain this here?
              1. Bepdukt
                Bepdukt 6 October 2013 12: 26
                +1
                The question to you - how long ago in America were they abolished benches "only for whites", "entrance only for whites"?
          3. Oberst_71
            Oberst_71 4 October 2013 11: 09
            +3
            write it down! go to the library and read!
          4. Natalia
            Natalia 4 October 2013 12: 58
            27
            Quote: Professor
            Well yes? Write us the differences. Pliz

            Nuuuuu you give! winked ... what's the difference ...
            Well, okay, as a "Professor" I will explain on my fingers what is called, but it's easier to say so.
            The serfs had their own allotment, house, household, but they did not have the right to dispose of them at their discretion, and they could not leave them. They lived their family, but at the same time completely dependent on the landowner.

            What is a slave - a person deprived of the opportunity and ability to choose, owned by another person. The slave is primarily a captive, this thing, neither having any rights ... nor that of property.

            Now what is Serfdom
            The totality of legal norms fixing the most complete and severe form of peasant dependence. Includes a ban on the peasants to leave their land plots (that is, peasants attached to the land or peasants' “fortress” to the land; runaways are subject to forced return), hereditary subordination of the administrative and judicial authorities of a certain feudal lord, depriving peasants of the right to alienate land plots and to acquire real estate, sometimes an opportunity for the feudal lord to alienate peasants without land.
            Slavery is
            the position or condition of the person in respect of whom some or all of the powers inherent in the right of ownership are exercised. Also, slavery refers to all actions related to the capture, acquisition of a person or with his disposal in order to convert him into slavery; all actions related to the acquisition of a slave for the purpose of its sale or exchange; all actions for the sale or exchange of a person acquired for this purpose, and in general any action for the sale or transportation of slaves.

            TOTAL:
            From the foregoing, it should be understood that the serf peasant had a wider range of rights and obligations in relation to the slave.
            The slave did not have his allotments, could not live separately.
            Thus, we can conclude that in the social ladder the slave stands below the serf.
            The lesson is over, thank you "professor" for your attention, your homework will be to give the concepts and distinctive features of the Kholop from Chelyadin. Don't be late tomorrow ...
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 4 October 2013 13: 22
              23
              Quote: Professor
              So it’s easy for you to explain it here.

              And also "Professor" is for you too ... otherwise your avatar shows everyone the language does not really like it, so .... this is addressed to you
            2. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 14: 32
              -9
              Quote: Natalia
              What is a slave - a person deprived of the opportunity and ability to choose, owned by another person. The slave is primarily a captive, this thing, neither having any rights ... nor that of property.

              The serf is also deprived of a choice, they are being traded !!! He is the property of another person. He is a captive. He will run away, he will be caught and punished according to the law, for he is a slave. By the way, slaves in America also had their huts and they worked not on their own land, but on the land of the owners. The serfs did not have their own land, they themselves and all that they owned belonged to the master-slave owner.

              Quote: Natalia
              From the foregoing, it should be understood that the serf peasant had a wider range of rights and obligations in relation to the slave.

              The lesson is not true. You compared a slave in ancient Rome to a serf in the 19th century. Compare with the 19th century slave in the USA and you will not find any difference. Next time carefully prepare the material.
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 4 October 2013 15: 28
                10
                Quote: Professor
                The serfs did not have their own land, they themselves and all that they owned belonged to the master-slave owner.

                the slave master is not a correct judgment. The landowner is [not equal to] a slaveowner, for this is, first and foremost, a nobleman and landowner who owns the estate, an estate in Russia. I will tell you even more in Russia when there was no slavery as such. You in your posts use the concepts of a slave as applied to Russia, learn better the history of Russia ... and once again I urge you to complete your homework, namely, to define and find significant differences to such concepts as Kholop from Chelyadin.

                As for America, slavery in the XNUMXth century was somewhat different from the same slavery in the Roman Empire, undoubtedly, but serfdom in Russia originated much earlier than slavery in America.
                And serfdom should be understood, not as slavery, it is first of all a set of moral and spiritual values, traditions and foundations of the Russian people, the basis of which was the mutual respect of the lower layers of the population with the higher ... in America it is just fear and unquestioning submission, individual manifestations of mutual respect it’s more likely an exception than a rule ... although it’s not surprising that this is the American mentality.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 4 October 2013 16: 40
                  -6
                  Quote: Natalia
                  I will tell you even more in Russia when there was no slavery as such.

                  It was called serfdom. Enough of demagoguery, people were goods, they were being traded. This is slavery by definition:
                  1. Slavery means the position or condition of a person in respect of whom some or all of the powers inherent in the right of ownership are exercised.
                  2. The slave trade is understood to mean all actions related to the capture, acquisition of a person or with his disposal in order to convert him into slavery; all actions related to the acquisition of a slave for the purpose of its sale or exchange; all actions for the sale or exchange of a person acquired for this purpose, and in general any action for the sale or transportation of slaves.

                  To you from UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights to focus?
                  I asked you to get ready as it should.
                  1. Natalia
                    Natalia 4 October 2013 17: 53
                    +6
                    Quote: Professor
                    I asked you to get ready as it should.

                    You are certainly very charming ......., but to prepare for your sake something or why or not included in my plans ....
                    Quote: Professor
                    It was called serfdom. Enough of demagoguery, people were goods, they were being traded. This is slavery by definition:

                    So be solely out of respect, I repeat, Serfdom has never been called slavery and will not be called, and nothing can change this, neither you nor your corrupt UN ... humble yourself.

                    If you don’t delay everything anymore, on Monday I’m waiting for you to complete your homework.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 4 October 2013 18: 36
                      -5
                      Quote: Natalia
                      You are certainly very charming ........, but to prepare for your sake something or why or not included in my plans ....

                      This is understandable. Owning material or engaging in verbiage is not the same thing.

                      Quote: Natalia
                      So be solely out of respect, I repeat, Serfdom has never been called slavery and will not be called, and nothing can change this, neither you nor your corrupt UN ... humble yourself.

                      Study the sources, it says what is slavery. And less gag.

                      Quote: Natalia
                      If you don’t delay everything anymore, on Monday I’m waiting for you to complete your homework.

                      To arrange an educational program for you? In addition to the "corrupt UN", what sources will suit you?
                    2. Natalia
                      Natalia 4 October 2013 18: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      This is understandable. Owning material or engaging in verbiage is not the same thing.

                      lol Madman ...... winked
                      Given the general meaning and content of all your posts on this topic, it turns out that you are just engaged in verbiage, your goal is neither to discuss anything and not to search for truth, you stupidly came to troll honest people, to enrage to infuriate .... about what can you talk about.

                      I do not hold back, goodbye, aufiderzeyn, arevuar ... in short ciao! hi
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 4 October 2013 19: 02
                      10 th
                      Quote: Natalia
                      I do not hold back, goodbye, aufiderzeyn, arevuar ... in short ciao!

                      Always so, poke your nose into the materiel and immediately become a troll. Do not worry, you personally will not see me here anymore.
                    4. Natalia
                      Natalia 4 October 2013 19: 05
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      Always so, poke your nose into the materiel and immediately become a troll. Don’t worry. You personally will not see me here.

                      winked Yeah ..... Goodbye May Love! lol )
                    5. Current 72
                      Current 72 5 October 2013 01: 33
                      +2
                      Professor, they tell you that it stinks, and you reluctantly answer that it’s a paradise aroma. Take it in the end !!!
                  2. Bepdukt
                    Bepdukt 6 October 2013 12: 28
                    +1
                    It is a normal occupation for a Jew.
            3. klavyr
              klavyr 8 October 2013 13: 01
              +1
              what is not clear? no demagoguery! not exceptional Americans - it is a fact! and people are still being traded!
          5. old man54
            old man54 4 October 2013 18: 31
            +6
            Quote: Natalia
            the slave master is not a correct judgment. The landowner is [not equal to] a slaveowner, for this is, first and foremost, a nobleman and landowner who owns the estate, an estate in Russia. I will tell you even more in Russia when there was no slavery as such. You in your posts operate on the concepts of a slave in relation to Russia, teach better the history of Russia ...

            Natalia, you "+" big from me, for the courage of statements and the depth of knowledge, bravo! hi
            I will add only that serfdom arose in Russia in the 17th century (if memory does not fail) as a measure aimed at forcibly “fixing” peasants on the lands of their original residence. The fact is that as a result of the growth of exorbitant various taxes of the state and the insolence of the feudal landlords, who robbed them more and more, it became very difficult for peasants to live in the European part of Russia. They worked from morning to night, but a lot of their work results were taken away from them! It became very difficult to survive. In addition, then the spirit of the people was still very freedom-loving, cool, not like now! And gradually people began to abandon their acquired land and leave to the east and southeast. Mostly to the Urals and Siberia (western, Altai). Soon this phenomenon acquired a mass character, they left almost in villages, abandoning all their houses and arable land. The rich realized that they could end up on earth for some time and how they could live then, they did not understand! laughing They themselves did not want to work in the field themselves. Of course, it was possible and necessary to reduce the tax pressure on the peasants, not to take as much from them as they took, and the process would stop, but of course, as always, we went along the hard road through the adoption of a code of laws on serfdom! The whole essence of serfdom is to prevent the peasants from leaving their ancestral lands of residence and going into free lands where there are no landowners and where they lived freely, working for themselves. Those. it was a severe coercion to remain in the field and continue to work for the landowners and the state, which bi they were comfortable with. angry But of course, to put serfdom with slavery on the same level can only creine narrow-minded and uneducated people! hi
      6. novobranets
        novobranets 4 October 2013 15: 37
        +5
        Quote: Natalia
        The lesson is over, thank you "professor" for your attention, your homework will be to give the concepts and distinctive features of the Kholop from Chelyadin. Don't be late tomorrow ...

        Bravo! 5+ hi love
      7. IRBIS
        IRBIS 4 October 2013 17: 31
        +4
        Quote: Natalia
        The lesson is over

        Thank you, a girl with a mysterious eye color for taking on this hard work - a lesson to the Professor. He asked me, but I honestly did not want to bother. And therefore - due to me. At your service, Natalia.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 4 October 2013 18: 46
          0
          Quote: IRBIS
          Thank you, a girl with a mysterious eye color for taking on this hard work - a lesson to the Professor. He asked me, but I honestly did not want to bother. And therefore - due to me. At your service, Natalia.

          ..blue .... wink
          yes actually please winked
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 4 October 2013 18: 58
            +1
            Quote: Natalia
            ..blue ....

            O-ball-kid ... Thank you, the full image is created ...repeat
      8. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 10 October 2013 11: 55
        0
        Natalia, well done! Although some are not worth it to chew and put in their mouths, any person (if not) is able to find the necessary information himself, especially in our time, when you don’t need to go somewhere specifically, as we did when studied.
  • Very old
    Very old 4 October 2013 08: 59
    +6
    It may very well. But we know this, and Bardak HUSSEIN wants to erase a tremendous chunk of time from history.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 4 October 2013 09: 07
    20
    Ah professor and racial segregation in the United States? Do better merkava. there you get better.
    1. Vittt
      Vittt 4 October 2013 16: 36
      +1
      I even find it difficult to answer, what is more correct - to segregate blacks in the USA or send animals home to Dagestan?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 4 October 2013 09: 16
    13
    Quote: Professor
    Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

    Surprise the professor, but I believe you are also from serfs.
    The first time I see a similar post from you, nothing at all and just some kind of nonsense. wink
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 09: 48
      33 th
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Surprise the professor, but I believe you are also from serfs.

      I am not from serfs. I know for sure.

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Relaxing over a bottle

      Do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go. wink
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 4 October 2013 10: 47
        12
        Well, the Egyptians were in slavery, and now what?
        1. ruslan207
          ruslan207 4 October 2013 12: 05
          -6
          Where did you find the Egyptians is the Arabs the Egyptians are the Copts
          1. Vittt
            Vittt 4 October 2013 16: 38
            +2
            What are the Copts (unsuccessful in history)? Copts appeared in connection with the emergence of Christianity in southern Egypt and Ethiopia.
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 4 October 2013 17: 16
              0
              Christianity arose in South Egypt and Ethiopia ???
              1. vahatak
                vahatak 5 October 2013 16: 34
                0
                As I understand it, minus those who think that Jerusalem is in Africa?
            2. old man54
              old man54 4 October 2013 18: 17
              0
              Quote: Vittt
              What are the Copts (unsuccessful in history)? Copts appeared in connection with the emergence of Christianity in southern Egypt and Ethiopia.

              it’s not good for you anymore, along with this ... professor! Copts, they are the current Ethiopians (there was no such state before) and there are those ancient Egyptians !! It so happened that a few thousand years ago, Arabs came to the north of Africa and settled there, driving out the real Egyptians, respectively!
              1. creak
                creak 4 October 2013 18: 34
                +4
                I would like to note that at present the Copts live not only in Ethiopia, but also in Egypt. According to various sources, their number in this country is estimated at 5-7 million people. They really consider themselves descendants of the ancient Egyptians, and the Arabs did not expel them from Egypt, but subjected them to all kinds of persecution .. At one time in Egypt, during a business trip, I had a little acquaintance with who they are ....
              2. ruslan207
                ruslan207 4 October 2013 18: 46
                -3
                you taught history a couple of thousand years so take a look at wikipedia you will find many interesting things
                1. Inspector
                  Inspector 4 October 2013 19: 55
                  +1
                  Hmm ... is Wikipedia written by aliens? The ultimate truth?
              3. vahatak
                vahatak 5 October 2013 16: 38
                0
                Quote: old man54
                Copts, they are the current Ethiopians

                come on
                Quote: old man54
                several thousand years ago, Arabs came to northern Africa

                in the 1.5th century, generally = less than XNUMX thousand years
            3. ruslan207
              ruslan207 4 October 2013 18: 43
              +1
              here you are right in history, I’m not good with history. Egypt was Christian before the Islamic period, and Copts are the indigenous population of which 10% remain. By the way, in Syria, too, the indigenous population remained in some areas that speak Aramaic
      2. Bort radist
        Bort radist 4 October 2013 15: 52
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        Do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go

        How do you like to be rude and do not like when they cheat you, it's not from noble blood.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 October 2013 16: 02
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go

        Actually, it was a question, not an advice! but, if you haven’t noticed this, then not one bottle, as I understand it.
        Zhenya Mechanic sent me the following in a personal message ..Drink less, drink less. You know the professor, and he is right wink
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 16: 35
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Drink less, drink less.

          You know better. wink We don’t have such a problem, but I'm generally an athlete.
          1. aleshka
            aleshka 4 October 2013 18: 44
            +1
            probably a hundred-cell checkers?
      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 4 October 2013 23: 29
        15
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Relaxing over a bottle
        Do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go.

        Once in Germany, a German translator assured me that she knew Russian well and I smiled sweetly in return
        Before us is a table. On the table is a glass and a fork. What are they doing? A glass is standing, and a fork is lying. If we stick the plug in the countertop, the plug will stand. That is, are vertical objects, and are horizontal? Add a plate and a pan to the table. They seem to be horizontal, but stand on the table. Now put the plate in the pan. There she lies, but stood on the table. Maybe there are items ready for use? No, the plug was ready when she lay. Now a cat climbs onto the table. She can stand, sit and lie. If in terms of standing and lying, it somehow creeps into the “vertical-horizontal” logic, then sitting is a new property. She is sitting on the pope. Now a bird has sat on the table. She sits on the table, but sits on her feet, not on the pope. Although it seems to be standing. But she cannot stand at all. But if we kill the poor bird and make a scarecrow, it will stand on the table. It may seem that sitting is an attribute of the living, but the boot also sits on the leg, although it is not alive and has no priests. So, go and understand what is standing, what is lying, and what is sitting. And we are still surprised that foreigners find our language difficult and compare with Chinese.
        1. I am
          I am 5 October 2013 01: 21
          +2
          Strongly !!!!! Laughing for 10 minutes. + Fat!
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 4 October 2013 13: 56
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I suppose you are also from serfs.

      More likely from moneylenders.
      Quote: Professor
      I am not from serfs. I know for sure.

      precisely from moneylenders.)))
      (the desire to live not by labor, but by interest). This is precisely the main “spiritual” mission of usurers (I use the word “spiritual” in quotation marks, since we are talking about “spirituality”, the source of which is not God, but “the enemy of the human race,” he is “the prince of this world”).

      http://www.lt90.org/reviews/ap_articles.php?article_id=83
      1. Professor
        Professor 4 October 2013 14: 49
        +2
        Quote: Scoun
        precisely from moneylenders.)))

        From artisans.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 4 October 2013 15: 08
          +7
          Quote: Professor
          From artisans

          I thought in this direction but did not take below the dentist and the jeweler))) hi
          In general, I did not take into account the artisan.
  • Garik
    Garik 4 October 2013 09: 45
    16
    Where did such knowledge about life in Belarus come from? From pro-Western media?
    As I managed to notice during periodic trips there and talking with Belarusians, you can’t name people there as serfs. And they live there no worse than in rotten Europe. I wouldn’t even put Ukraine next to the level, which I often have to visit.
    By the way, such a developed agricultural economy as in Belarus still needs to be searched ...
    Old Man is a solid and economic man, and without certain methods of order he cannot achieve order, and in this he is right.
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 09: 53
      23 th
      Quote: Garik
      Where did such knowledge about life in Belarus come from? From pro-Western media?

      From cousins ​​living and personal impressions there.

      Quote: Garik
      And they live there no worse than in rotten Europe.

      I'll go smoke aside. wassat

      Quote: Garik
      By the way, such a developed agricultural economy as in Belarus still needs to be searched ...

      Surprise the numbers? Milks, yields, etc.? Or so for a beautiful word?

      Quote: Garik
      Old Man is a solid and economic man, and without certain methods of order he cannot achieve order, and in this he is right

      A peasant for Russian money injections without which Belarusians would have died of hunger for a long time or returned to partisans.
      1. ruslan207
        ruslan207 4 October 2013 10: 03
        14
        By the way, the professor there, by the way, and Israeli technologies in agriculture are being built by Israeli companies.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 4 October 2013 23: 00
          +7
          Quote: ruslan207
          By the way, the professor there, by the way, and Israeli technologies in agriculture are being built by Israeli companies.

          Not only Israeli companies, but also from all over the world, we, like the Israelis, are trying to introduce the best global developments.
          Quote: Professor
          From cousins ​​living and personal impressions there.

          If it’s so bad here, why are your relatives not leaving for their historical homeland? I personally have nothing against the Jews living in Belarus; I maintain friendly relations with some.
          Quote: Professor
          for Russian money injections without which Belarusians would have died of hunger for a long time or returned to partisans.

          Here you make me laugh, Israel receives something annually from the USA and Germany, but that doesn’t mean that if this money doesn’t exist, then you will again scatter around the world
          1. Professor
            Professor 5 October 2013 11: 54
            0
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            If it’s so bad here, why are your relatives not leaving for their historical homeland?

            Yes, because they are in their historic homeland. You all decided here that I am a Jew and that means all my relatives are Jews. They live in Minsk, some in Zhlobin. Who could leave, left.

            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Here you make me laugh, Israel receives something annually from the USA and Germany, but that doesn’t mean that if this money doesn’t exist, then you will again scatter around the world

            $ 3 billion for the purchase of weapons in the United States and a subsidized German submarine is not something that Belarus receives even from Russia.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 7 October 2013 22: 38
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Yes, because they are in their historic homeland.

              Everything is ambiguous with us, but you can live. Without Russian help, we will have fewer marble railings in Minsk and all kinds of "megaprojects" in the Chinese design, and less waste of any kind will be transported from abroad. We export food products worth 2 billion dollars, mainly meat and dairy products, with your specialists this figure will probably increase. Most likely, your relatives work in the field of education, there are certain problems, some teachers leave to work in other countries, mainly in Russia, the authorities are somewhat frivolous about this problem.
              1. Professor
                Professor 8 October 2013 08: 16
                +1
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Most likely your relatives work in the field of education

                there are many relatives and work in different areas, some at BMZ, some in construction ...
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 8 October 2013 21: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  who is at BMZ, who is in construction ...

                  Relatively there are still normal salaries, teachers have 2-3 times less and even brains powder everyone and sundry.
        2. I am
          I am 5 October 2013 01: 23
          +2
          This is just not surprising. Automated greenhouses are worth, with a drip supply of water and fertilizers to each seedling. To introduce such in risky farming zones and 90% of the world's population can be provided with normal food, and not GMO products.
          1. Cat
            Cat 5 October 2013 01: 32
            +3
            Quote: I am
            This is just not surprising. Automated greenhouses are worth, with a drip supply of water and fertilizers to each seedling. To introduce such in risky farming zones and 90% of the world's population can be provided with normal food, and not GMO products.

            These greenhouses will not solve anything, since 90% of the population does not have and will not have money to buy products grown using this technology. Now, even in "developed" countries - how many% of the population can afford natural products? Not even fashionable now "organic", but just natural? That's it.
      2. Garik
        Garik 4 October 2013 10: 47
        12
        Professor...
        From cousins ​​living and personal impressions there.

        I did not expect another answer laughing
        I'll go smoke aside.

        And smoking is harmful, and even the promotion of smoking is prohibited in our country. yes
        Surprise the numbers? Milks, yields, etc.? Or so for a beautiful word?

        I don’t know what I don’t know, but I judge by the shelves of my stores where the share of agricultural products is greater than Russian and the quality is pleasing, although if you are interested you can visit the relevant resources there you will find everything wink
        A peasant for Russian money injections without which Belarusians would have died of hunger for a long time or returned to partisans.

        laughing Yes, Jews, too, would not have walked without American infusions with full stomachs, and would have walked altogether judging by the current situation in the east.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 11: 02
          11 th
          Quote: Garik
          What I don’t know, I don’t know

          If you don’t know, why are you saying this? Should I spread these figures for you?
          Curiosity: My colleague’s father, a nee Israeli, advises the Belarusian authorities in raising pigs.

          Quote: Garik
          Yes, Jews, too, would not have walked without American infusions with full stomachs, and would have walked altogether judging by the current situation in the east.

          And here you don't know what you are talking about. $ 3 billion a year for the purchase of military equipment in the same America "fed Israel a lot." laughing
          1. Garik
            Garik 4 October 2013 12: 02
            +1
            And here you don't know what you are talking about. $ 3 billion a year for the purchase of military equipment in the same America "fed Israel a lot."

            Well, laughing at the numbers ... laughing Today, generally a fun day turned out taking into account Lithuania.
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 12: 24
              -5
              Quote: Garik
              Well, laughing at the numbers ...

              For now, you laugh. Unlike you, I have links to information sources.
              1. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 4 October 2013 17: 07
                +2
                Now you can launch any "source" yourself into the "World" ..., and then refer to it!
          2. Gur
            Gur 4 October 2013 13: 27
            10
            Threat laughing Is it really a curious kosher native of Israel that teaches Belarusians to raise pigs, and how long does he then gloss over this sin? Perhaps you have such an exchange of experience, you teach Belarusians pigs to grow and they cartoplyu you?) Or bake matzo?)))
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 14: 48
              +4
              Quote: GUR
              Is it really a curious kosher native of Israel that teaches Belarusians to raise pigs, and how long does he then gloss over this sin?

              A person is not kosher or non-kosher. Materiel to help you.

              Quote: GUR
              Perhaps you have such an exchange of experience, you teach Belarusians pigs to grow and they cartoplyu you?) Or bake matzo?)))

              There is another exchange. He teaches what he can do better, and he is paid in return for dollars. Prior to that, he advised in the Voronezh region.
              1. Gur
                Gur 8 October 2013 14: 19
                0
                The fascists really did not think so. Well, the scheme is generally understandable, like you have in the whole world. But the question is, if a Jew born in Israel, in principle, should not have seen pigs, where does he have experience? Or experience in circuits?
          3. Cat
            Cat 5 October 2013 01: 07
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Curiosity: My colleague’s father, a nee Israeli, advises the Belarusian authorities in raising pigs.

            not, well, the fact that a Jew understands raising pigs - that I can still believe. But here is the fact that the Belarusian authorities are engaged in this very cultivation - sorry, Prof. this is definitely unscientific science fiction. That is, maybe they are doing it - at the level of the long-standing secretaries of the CPSU district committees who came to collective farms and pointed out to agronomists: where and when to plow, what, when and where to sow, etc. etc.
            In general, with a probability of 99,999%, it can be argued: the mentioned native Israeli, together with the mentioned Belarusian leaders, are playing a (white) Russian folk game called "cutting the budget dough" =)))
            1. Professor
              Professor 5 October 2013 11: 57
              0
              Quote: Cat
              In general, with a probability of 99,999%, it can be argued: the mentioned native Israeli, together with the mentioned Belarusian leaders, are playing a (white) Russian folk game called "cutting the budget dough" =)))

              Do not judge others by yourself. I understand that it annoys you that an Israeli (that is, a Jew) may be better than you.
              1. Valkyrie
                Valkyrie 10 October 2013 14: 43
                0
                It is annoying that the Jews seriously believe that they are better than others. Even pigs are better versed in Belarus - this is generally a good laugh. Some kind of joke.
      3. Gur
        Gur 4 October 2013 13: 21
        +7
        Well, it is certainly understandable, "From the cousins ​​living there and personal impressions." in contrast to Russia, where your second cousins ​​probably falls much more than in Belorussii.Chto pleases in relation to Belarus.

        "I'll go smoke on the sidelines. Wassat" or maybe not, but now smoke, and then accuse us of the Holocaust.

        “Surprise with numbers? Milk yields, harvests, etc.? Or so for a nice word?” - well, we do not hear reports from the fields of Israel either.

        "An economic man for Russian money injections, without which Belarusians would have died of hunger long ago or returned to partisans." - If not for the USSR and Comrade Stalin personally, you would not exist as a state at all, but now if it were not for American injections, you would flood back to Egypt.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 14: 44
          -2
          Quote: GUR
          Well, we also do not hear reports from the fields of Israel.

          Are you interested? Give me the numbers about the Belarusian successes and I will please you Israeli.

          Quote: GUR
          If it were not for the USSR and Comrade Stalin personally, you would not exist as a state at all

          Rave. For 50 years, the Soviet Union did everything possible so that Israel would not be. But Stalin had no choice. He recognized the fact that the state of Israel was formed. In your opinion, if he were against it, would Palestine still be under the British Mandate? The Britons dumped without asking permission from Stalin. The underground helped them get home.
          1. Gur
            Gur 8 October 2013 14: 15
            -1
            Here, as they say hhhera with two, well, how half the world were against, but Stalin simply had no choice.
            As for agriculture, since you guys didn’t have much time left, drink your Dead Sea and you will again whisper dates. Belarusians are all right with agriculture.
            1. Professor
              Professor 8 October 2013 14: 18
              0
              Quote: GUR
              Belarusians are all right with agriculture.

              Glad for the Belarusians. Happiness to them and health. drinks
          2. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 10 October 2013 14: 56
            0
            Israel was created at the initiative of Stalin (although Jews asked him to provide Crimea to them). And since after the 2 of World War II the USSR played one of the leading roles in the world, its initiative was approved. He did not recognize the fact of the formation of Israel, but participated in its formation.
      4. SPBOBL
        SPBOBL 4 October 2013 14: 15
        +8
        professor led cher! who graduated from pu-9 in Belorussia! HAHAHA! he will understand me ... this clown provocateur has been walking around resources for a long time ... I have been collecting information about him for a long time ...
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 5 October 2013 21: 07
          -1
          Quote: SPBOBL
          this clown provocateur

          You can’t say more precisely and Ava in this vein.
      5. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 4 October 2013 20: 54
        +4
        Professor (1)
        I'll go smoke aside.


        forgot you don’t smoke you are an athlete))

        Professor (1)
        You know better. We don’t have such a problem, but I'm generally an athlete.
      6. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 4 October 2013 21: 59
        +7
        Quote: Professor
        From cousins ​​living and personal impressions there

        On the train, Rabinovich whines on the top shelf: "How I want to drink, how I want to drink ..."
        "Rabinovich, here's some water for you, stop whining"
        He drank, continues: "How I was thirsty, how I was thirsty ..."
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 4 October 2013 23: 37
          +3
          Quote: Mature Naturalist
          In the train, Rabinovich aching on the top shelf

          Incidentally, this is an anecdote from the repertoire of Zinovy ​​Vysokovsky, and he is already an expert on the peculiarities of the Jewish character. It was.
      7. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 4 October 2013 22: 14
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        Surprise the numbers? Milks, yields, etc.? Or so for a beautiful word?

        One elderly Jewess praised Israeli medicine, after a couple of years of working with a jackhammer, breaking up concrete slabs, she began to have serious joint problems, I’m generally talking about sky-high technologies in Israel.
      8. Current 72
        Current 72 5 October 2013 01: 50
        -1
        Here you are right, go smoke, urinate and smell the steam well.
      9. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 10 October 2013 14: 29
        0
        You would go and see what to do with idle talk and argue about why you don't understand anything. The numbers are on the Internet. Why are you so lazy, you can’t figure out anything for yourself. Why argue then? The share of exports in Belarus is considerable and is constantly growing. Everything works - both agriculture and industry. Such as in Russia, vast abandoned agricultural land and idle factories are not there.
  • nelson
    nelson 4 October 2013 09: 52
    +1
    maybe they were, but not slaves!
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 09: 56
      10 th
      Quote: nelson
      maybe they were, but not slaves!

      Well, what's the difference? In skin color?
      1. My address
        My address 4 October 2013 10: 29
        +3
        Oleg.

        Your position is clear. Often your comments like it. But. As I understand, you are a Jew. And, apparently, an intellectual. So what kind of guys neglect syntax, for example, in commas? What is the point? Read your comments (for example, 09.45, who is screaming ?, if a separate paragraph, then write someone) and from a quarter of oonaret.

        For information about yourself.
        You can see the early comms. To Jews, Tatars, Russians, etc. treat the same. Techie by education and mindset. But from illiteracy korezhit. Zasobachil you and minus and plus.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 10: 37
          0
          Quote: My address
          What the hell are you neglecting syntax for, for example, commas?

          Commas set. I will not touch the point.
  • newnutella
    newnutella 4 October 2013 09: 55
    +8
    Mr. Prof ... should I remind you of the merry treatment of Native Americans by the "new" Americans? the extermination and expulsion of entire settlements ... oh yes, this is considered normal among the Jews.
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 09: 59
      17 th
      Quote: newnutella
      Mr. Prof ... should I remind you of the merry treatment of Native Americans by the "new" Americans? the extermination and expulsion of entire settlements ... oh yes, this is considered normal among the Jews.

      And I can remind you, for example, where did the indigenous inhabitants of the South Kuril Islands and the "Kaliningrad region" go. Let's count how many Germans were evicted from there?
      1. newnutella
        newnutella 4 October 2013 10: 02
        +3
        Go ahead, count. Admire the numbers.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 10: 43
          -7
          Quote: newnutella
          Go ahead, count. Admire the numbers.

          1925 279,930 inhabitants of which 13,330 Catholics, 4,050 Jews and about 6,000 others. Before the war, a population of approximately 370000 German citizens ...
      2. Sergal - 45
        Sergal - 45 4 October 2013 10: 40
        +9
        What do you know about the Kaliningrad region and its "indigenous population"? And about "eviction"? Or do second cousins ​​also live here?
        Kaliningrad
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 10: 47
          -2
          Quote: Sergal - 45
          Kaliningrad

          What generation are you from Kaliningrad? wink
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 4 October 2013 10: 57
            25
            Quote: Professor
            What generation are you from Kaliningrad?

            And in what generation are all the Israelites? Well, no more than we became Kaliningraders. Your tribe, too, recently settled its modern territory, to put it mildly. By the way, do not tell me, where did the Arabs from these territories go? wink
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 11: 07
              11 th
              Quote: IRBIS
              And in what generation are all the Israelites? Well, no more than we became Kaliningraders. Your tribe, too, recently settled its modern territory, to put it mildly. By the way, do not tell me, where did the Arabs from these territories go?

              You do not know, but the Jewish presence in Israel almost never ceased. Read the biographer of Napoleon or Mark Twain about their travels to the holy land.

              But the Arabs have not disappeared. In Israel alone there are a million of them ...
              1. IRBIS
                IRBIS 4 October 2013 11: 24
                +9
                Quote: Professor
                You do not know, but the Jewish presence in Israel almost never ceased.

                It never stopped in Russia, and in general around the world - you are such a "sociable" people. But what is this for you?
                Quote: Professor
                But the Arabs have not disappeared. In Israel alone there are a million of them ...

                Are they alive and well? And they have no complaints? Periodically do not suffocate from friendly "hugs"?
                1. Professor
                  Professor 4 October 2013 11: 32
                  -8
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  Live and live?

                  How are you? Their standard of living is higher than the average for Russia. Here is a paradox, when a marriage is concluded between an Israeli Arab and a non-Israeli one, for some reason they choose to live under the "Israeli occupation" and not in a free Arab country.

                  Quote: IRBIS
                  But what are you doing?

                  Moreover, in what generation are the Jews in Israel.
              2. aleshka
                aleshka 4 October 2013 18: 50
                +5
                we constantly feel the Jewish presence in Russia, and how some son of Israel doesn’t come up with such an abomination !!! I’m not a fascist but sometimes I regret that Hitler wasn’t given a good deal to finish!
                1. Professor
                  Professor 4 October 2013 18: 56
                  +8
                  Quote: Alesha
                  we constantly feel the Jewish presence in Russia, and how some son of Israel doesn’t come up with such an abomination !!! I’m not a fascist but sometimes I regret that Hitler wasn’t given a good deal to finish!

                  another Natsik appeared

                  Hitler's "good" business is when he burned villages with residents in Belarus?
                2. aleshka
                  aleshka 4 October 2013 19: 46
                  -1
                  no, when the Jews drove into the gas chambers!
                3. aleshka
                  aleshka 4 October 2013 19: 56
                  +1
                  I’m not Natsik! There are friends of the Tatars, Bashkirs, Ukrainians, no national hatred !!! but the Jews in our Urals are very few, no one to be friends with !!!
                4. Professor
                  Professor 4 October 2013 19: 58
                  -1
                  Quote: Alesha
                  I’m not Natsik! There are friends of the Tatars, Bashkirs, Ukrainians, no national hatred !!! but the Jews in our Urals are very few, no one to be friends with !!!

                  natsik, primitive natstsik revered Hitler. classic.
                5. aleshka
                  aleshka 4 October 2013 20: 06
                  +2
                  You seem to be drinking the truth, you started to answer without reason !! I honestly don’t like just one nation, which has been sucking blood from my country for hundreds of years! Guess what?
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              3. Raiven
                Raiven 5 October 2013 02: 48
                +2
                no, you are just a Nazi
                you yourself wrote that G "" "" p did not bring the "final decision" to the end
            2. Current 72
              Current 72 5 October 2013 02: 12
              +1
              ... villages with residents in Belarus burned. Professor, but we did not declare a "holocaust" (I deliberately put it in quotation marks), although every third BELARUS in the earth. There were 16 million Jews in the world at that time, and we BELARUSIANS, only 9 million.
          2. ruslan207
            ruslan207 4 October 2013 19: 16
            -2
            Alyosha - who are we?
            Answer for yourself, you children do not accidentally policeman, but Hitler and the Russians did many troubles no less than the Mongols
          3. aleshka
            aleshka 4 October 2013 19: 48
            +1
            and we, who lives in Russia!
          4. aleshka
            aleshka 4 October 2013 19: 53
            +7
            No, my grandfather served in the Life Guards Semyonovsky Regiment! And my father the whole GREATEST PATRIOTIC to Kaliningrad, the commander of the battalion, I’ve been in Afghanistan for a year and a half, by the way, I haven’t met any Jews there !!! Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, and apparently Jews tore off their hands. I will answer, verbiage !!!
          5. ruslan207
            ruslan207 5 October 2013 12: 03
            +1
            Aleshka-For example, a Rutskoy hero of the USSR, a Jew fought in Afghanistan, well, he can still name it. My grandfather died 41 near Smolensk and died the death of the brave.
          6. aleshka
            aleshka 5 October 2013 20: 22
            +3
            do not nukay do not harness! I have been bringing benefit to my country, for thirty years already and I am not going to report to you who I am and how I am doing it! I am an engineer-metallurgist and, unlike you, Jewish verbiage, there is more from me! You were probably born and raised in the USSR ?? Why the hell are you and the "professor" not like your former homeland so much ??? And surely while the main anti-Semites were living in the USSR ???
          7. atalef
            atalef 5 October 2013 20: 32
            0
            Quote: Alesha
            I am a metal engineer and the benefits for the country (for my own), unlike you Jewish verbiage, more from me!

            And what?

            Quote: Alesha
            You were probably born and raised in the USSR ?? Why the hell are you and the "professor" not so fond of your former homeland?

            Why do not like. love, just not your way


            Quote: Alesha
            ? And probably while the main anti-Semites lived in the USSR ??? Say no7

            No
          8. aleshka
            aleshka 5 October 2013 20: 51
            +2
            not in my opinion, is it like? some kind of perverse love ??? and the hand flinched even forgot to turn off the caps, I guessed it means!
          9. aleshka
            aleshka 5 October 2013 20: 54
            +1
            and about the benefits, I can certainly count so many thousand tons of cast iron smelted, but why ??? it is not necessary for you, and far away!
  • Bepdukt
    Bepdukt 6 October 2013 13: 11
    -2
    Licked a Jewess, well done!
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 4 October 2013 21: 52
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Read the biographer of Napoleon or Mark Twain about their travels to the holy land.

    For 40 years, while Moses led Jews to the Middle East, he marked the entire territory, so for any place where Moses went, you can use the expression but the Jewish presence in this territory practically never ceased
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      For 40 years, while Moses led Jews to the Middle East, he marked the entire territory, so for any place where Moses went, you can use the expression, but the Jewish presence in this territory practically never stopped

      Moses never set foot on the land of Israel. Do you know why?
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 5 October 2013 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Moses never set foot on the land of Israel. Do you know why?

      I didn’t. From Mount Nebo he showed the land to his people and died, his god punished, there was nothing to beat with a rod on the rock. That's where it is.
    3. Professor
      Professor 5 October 2013 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      That's where it is.

      Beside that. God said that only those who do not remember slavery will enter Israel. So he drove the crowd through the desert for 40 years, and he himself ...
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 5 October 2013 22: 35
      -1
      Quote: Professor
      Beside that. God said that only those who do not remember slavery will enter Israel. So he drove the crowd through the desert for 40 years, and he himself ..

      It is wise on the part of God, although it is not for me to evaluate it, but there is an opinion that the god punished Moses for his doubts.
      So, I would like to know your opinion, after the Jews found their land and among them there were no people who knew slavery, who was god for them? After all, they are not slaves.
    5. Professor
      Professor 6 October 2013 08: 55
      +2
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      So, I would like to know your opinion, after the Jews found their land and among them there were no people who knew slavery, who was god for them? After all, they are not slaves.

      The Most High was a god for them, and he remained. Moses was a man and no more. Jews have no saints.
    6. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 6 October 2013 10: 56
      -1
      Quote: Professor
      The Most High was a god for them, and he remained. Moses was a man and no more. Jews have no saints.

      I asked the question a few times incorrectly.
      However, it seemed to Moses that events took a different turn for him, as is evident from his words: You began to show Your greatness to Your servant.
      Here Moses is a slave before God, but he was also a slave in Egypt. Who are the Jews before God who came to the holy land of Israel and who were not slaves in Egypt?
    7. Professor
      Professor 6 October 2013 11: 05
      +3
      As far as I remember, the "servant of God" is not mentioned in the primary source. Generally an interesting question. I'll ask the religious at work to enlighten.

      Every year, Jews celebrate their exit from slavery and for thousands of years do not forget how they were slaves. hi
    8. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 6 October 2013 16: 19
      0
      Quote: Professor
      Every year, Jews celebrate their exit from slavery and for thousands of years do not forget how they were slaves.

      We have in Orthodoxy, we are slaves before the god.
      "The servant of God is married ....."
  • atalef
    atalef 5 October 2013 12: 21
    +2
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    I didn’t. From Mount Nebo he showed the land to his people and died, his god punished, there was nothing to beat with a rod on the rock. That's where it is.

    In general, according to the Torah, God did not allow Moses to enter Israel because of
    Deut. 3: 23-25. God made clear to Moses that he would not be allowed to enter the Promised Land - due to disbelief revealed by him at Meriva (Num. 20:12). However, it seemed to Moses that events took a different turn for him, as is evident from his words: You began to show Your greatness to Your servant. These words are more likely to refer to the manifestation of the Lord omnipotence, which was manifested in the defeat of Sihon and Og, the two Amorite kings in Transjordan, than to the events of the exodus from Egypt.

    Perhaps Moses thought that, since He had allowed him to take part in the conquest of Transjordan, he would cancel his previous decision regarding him, that is, would allow him to enter Canaan. And he decided that now was the right time to ask God to allow Him to see that good land (compare the interpretation of Deuteronomy 1:25).

    Moses' question in 3:24 starting with "what god" does not mean that Moses recognized other gods. This is just a rhetorical question; in this way, in particular, (by means of a rhetorical question) the incomparability of the Lord is affirmed in the Old Testament. In His inherent properties, He is unique; no one can compare with Him.

    Deut. 3: 26-29. But God did not listen to Moses, that is, did not fulfill his request. It follows from the Hebrew original that Moses continued to ask God for permission and thereby only aroused His anger (abar); in the Russian text - but the Lord was angry with me for you; compare 1:37; 4:21. However, this very conversation between Moses and God once again testifies to the closeness in their relationship. And on the other hand, it emphasizes the tragedy of the situation of the person who devoted his life to the implementation of the vow God made to Israel, and, now, he learned that he himself would not become a witness to its full implementation. But still, Moses could at least cast a glance to the ground, ascending to the top of Pisgah.

    Since Moses was deprived of the right to transfer the people through the Jordan, God reminded him that it was his responsibility to prepare Jesus for Joshua for his future leadership role. Jesus' inheritance of this role is an important topic in Deuteronomy. Here it sounds for the third time - throughout only three chapters (1:38; 3: 21,28). By a simple repetition of God's words to the people on this account, Moses encouraged and strengthened Nun and inspired the people that it was he who would become his next leader.
  • Current 72
    Current 72 5 October 2013 02: 03
    -2
    You're lying professor! And write me the ethnic composition of Israel, just do not consider all Russian-speaking Jews.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 October 2013 20: 37
      +1
      Quote: Current 72
      You're lying professor! And write me the ethnic composition of Israel, just do not consider all Russian-speaking Jews.

      Everything is in the public domain. move your finger. By the way, among immigrants from the USSR who came to Israel the same as that is, Jews
      According to the Central Statistical Office of Israel [1], published on April 14, 2013, the total population of Israel is 8 inhabitants. Of them:

      6 000 042 (75,3%) - Jews;
      1 658 000 (20,7%) - Arabs;
      318 (000%) are national minorities (Druze, Circassians, etc.), as well as residents who do not fall under the definition of Jewry by the State of Israel.
      Since 2000, the share of the Jewish population has decreased by 2,5%, and that of Muslims has increased by 1,9%. The share of the rest increased by 0,6% [2].

      Among the Jewish population - 4,254 million (72,7%) were born in Israel (tsarim, sabra) and 1,6 million (27,3%) - returnees (olim) [3] [4].


      About 1,15 million were repatriated from the USSR since 1948 [13]. Among them, approximately 300 [000] [14] [15] non-Jews, that is, those who arrived in Israel under the Law on Return, but are not considered Jews according to the Jewish canon of Halah. Most of the Russian-speaking immigrants arrived after 16.

      In some cities, the number of returnees from the former USSR who settled in Israel after 1990, such as Ashdod, Be'er Sheva, Karmiel, makes up more than a third of the population, and in Sderot almost half of the city’s population.
  • Scoun
    Scoun 4 October 2013 14: 10
    10
    Quote: Professor
    Let's count how many Germans were evicted from there

    Professor, this post .. puddles in the ass)))

    Remind you how many Jews (and shouting out loud) before that died and how many millions of Soviet citizens?
    you probably think that the tribes of the Indians attacked the Europeans and they in revenge cut them out and drove them to the reservation. wassat
    So the Germans still got off easily ... during the time our troops were in Germany, the USSR did not reduce their population
    PS here comrades laid out a map of the Gaza Strip with borders that shrink like shagreen leather .... another 10 years and it will be purely yes professor and where did the population go, the question is certainly not for you .. that’s all.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 October 2013 20: 40
      +1
      Quote: Scoun
      PS here comrades laid out a map of the Gaza Strip with borders that are scrubbed like shagreen leather.

      No fairy tales. The borders of the Gaza Strip cannot tighten or not. because The Gaza Strip until 1967 belonged to Egypt and its borders are known. precisely within these borders and was returned to the Palestinian Authority.
  • Don
    Don 4 October 2013 17: 59
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    South Kuril Islands

    Compare. The numbers are completely different.
    Quote: Professor
    "Kaliningrad region" Let's count how many Germans were evicted from there?

    I'm just amazed at you. Do you seriously equate genocide of Indians with resettlement Germans in the Far East and Central Asia? You know, then you can agree with the former Iranian president. You are a complete Russophobe, criticizing everything Russian and Soviet and by hook or by crook defending everything American. And while you still, as I understand it, you once lived in the Soviet Union.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 5 October 2013 00: 06
      +3
      Quote: Don
      however, you are still, as I understand it, once lived in the Soviet Union.
      And he will never forgive us all. laughing
  • spravochnik
    spravochnik 4 October 2013 21: 30
    +6
    This I can remind you where the indigenous people of the Kaliningrad region went. Indigenous people (Prussians, Curonians, etc.) were destroyed or assimilated by German invaders. German residents of the Kaliningrad region left for Germany (some in the German Democratic Republic, some in the Federal Republic of Germany) by agreement with the latter.
  • I am
    I am 5 October 2013 01: 25
    +1
    scrape and annihilate, a little different things, it seems to me.
  • Snoop
    Snoop 5 October 2013 12: 36
    -1
    Legal booty ... Germans themselves didn’t have to jump on us, they would live quietly, they burned Jews peacefully in fireboxes and in soap factories. Also about the islands, they took back their own, lost as a result of the Russian-Japanese war.
  • evgeny1td
    evgeny1td 5 October 2013 13: 17
    +1
    these evicted, only in Leningrad killed 0,7 million people
  • Bepdukt
    Bepdukt 6 October 2013 13: 03
    0
    For Kaliningrad, the lives of soldiers paid, let them rejoice that they did not seize the whole country.
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 4 October 2013 09: 55
    +9
    Something I do not understand, are you a supporter of the exclusivity of nations? It’s kind of strange for me to hear such a thing from a Jew, given what another exceptional nation did to you ...
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 10: 01
      -7
      Quote: T80UM1
      Something I do not understand, are you a supporter of the exclusivity of nations? It’s kind of strange for me to hear such a thing from a Jew, given what another exceptional nation did to you ...

      I already wrote here that I disagree with Obama. His statement is not smart. But Lukashenko did not go further from Obama.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 4 October 2013 10: 27
        14
        Quote: Professor
        I already wrote here that I disagree with Obama


        .. Dear Professor, I also often oppose most of the visitors)))) but you are already too .... smile you do not have arguments, but just like that ... liche would annoy ... laughing
        ed65 right .. better about Merkava ...... wassat
      2. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 4 October 2013 21: 17
        -1
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: T80UM1
        Something I do not understand, are you a supporter of the exclusivity of nations? It’s kind of strange for me to hear such a thing from a Jew, given what another exceptional nation did to you ...

        I already wrote here that I disagree with Obama. His statement is not smart. But Lukashenko did not go further from Obama.


        but it’s very interesting to ask, who do you think is a good president Bush? Reagan? clinton? who?
        maybe Yushchenko or Yanukovych or Saakoshvilli))
        and who do you think is worthy to be an example and is, say, a model for becoming a model in this profession?
        (Well, about the present-day Israeli leader, I won’t even ask for it for you, he’s the best!))
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 October 2013 12: 28
          +3
          Quote: regressSSSR
          but it’s very interesting to ask, who do you think is a good president Bush? Reagan? clinton? who?
          maybe Yushchenko or Yanukovych or Saakoshvilli))
          and who do you think is worthy to be an example and is, say, a model for becoming a model in this profession?

          None at all. Maybe the President of Finland is like that, (woman by the way) She who goes to the store for shopping and goes both without security and without a personal driver

          Quote: regressSSSR
          (Well, about the present-day Israeli leader, I won’t even ask for it for you, he’s the best!))

          Shimon Peres (as a person deserves all respect), but as a president, apart from a declarative function, it does not matter. Prime Minister (Netanyahu), I believe that far from the best. I would say from that wretched choice at the moment. best among the worst.
    2. vahatak
      vahatak 4 October 2013 12: 44
      -4
      Well, the Jews themselves consider themselves exceptional. And not only Jews. Why does everyone suddenly remember Hitler at this word? Is he the only one who considered his people exceptional? Well, there Obama blurted out too much. Does this mean that he goes the path of Hitler ???? Yes, he can never do this. No abilities.
  • ruslan207
    ruslan207 4 October 2013 09: 58
    -1
    Or maybe nobility who knows?
  • svp67
    svp67 4 October 2013 10: 04
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in 1861.
    Well, then maybe it would be better to recall the abolition of the "Pale of Settlement ..."
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 10: 10
      13 th
      Quote: svp67
      Well, then maybe it would be better to recall the abolition of the "Pale of Settlement ..."

      This is another shameful page in Russian history. However, the comparison is not counted. Jews could move freely within this line, no one sold and bought them, they did not have a master.
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 4 October 2013 10: 19
        +2
        apparently, all the same, you need to remember and take the BEST of your history.
      2. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 4 October 2013 11: 33
        +4
        of course they could. Who wants to buy them? One example of Ancient Rome is worth something. The historical truth about "Exodus" as reported
        Justin - a Roman historian - in his History of the Jews, is that
        a gang of lepers and sexually ill Jewish slaves was EXPLODED from
        Egypt's deltas into the desert, as the oracle of the god Ammon announced that these
        unscrupulous slaves cause a pernicious disease that has spread
        all over Egypt.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 11: 35
          -2
          Quote: Oberst_71
          unscrupulous slaves cause a pernicious disease that has spread
          all over Egypt.

          There were 9 more executions. Have you forgotten about them? wink
      3. consul
        consul 4 October 2013 11: 57
        +6
        The Pale of Settlement was made at the request of the Jews themselves, so as not to assimilate with the Russians. For a Jew, any country where he lives is a country of residence (no more), only Israel is the Fatherland and Homeland for him.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 12: 22
          -4
          Quote: consul
          The Pale of Settlement was made at the request of the Jews themselves,

          Who would doubt that. And there were no goys under the settled pale? Insanity grew stronger. fool
          1. consul
            consul 4 October 2013 18: 02
            0
            Quote: Professor
            And there were no goys under the settled pale?

            The fact of the matter is that the goyim lived behind a trait, not inside, which helped to live in their own world with their own traditions.
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 18: 40
              -1
              Quote: consul
              The fact of the matter is that the goyim lived below the line, and not inside, which helped to live in their own world with their own traditions.

              Urgently learn history and what is the Pale of Settlement.
  • ruslan207
    ruslan207 4 October 2013 10: 09
    +2
    Belarus, after all, is behind a Russian nuclear umbrella, you just can't tell the example of Yugoslavia, etc.
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 4 October 2013 13: 11
      +5
      Well, God bless the Belarusians. And the umbrella does not break.
  • user
    user 4 October 2013 10: 25
    +9
    Well, the Jews in Russia also remembered:

    In the first half of the 26th century, two decrees were issued in the Russian Empire on the expulsion of Jews from Russia: April 1727, 2 and December 13 (December 1742 in a new style) XNUMX. The first decree of Empress Catherine I demanded "The Jews, both masculine and female, who are found in Ukraine and other Russian cities, should send all of them out of Russia immediately abroad, and henceforth they should not be allowed into Russia under any image" with the instruction “to watch them tightly during their holidays so that they would not be taken out of red gold or Russian silver coins from Russia abroad”, the second decree of Empress Elizaveta Petrovna, in fact duplicating the decree of Catherine, supplemented him with the opportunity to return exclusively o subject to the adoption of Christianity: “unless one of them wants to be the Christian faith of the Greek confession; baptizing them in Our Empire, let them live, and so no longer let them out of the State ”

    As I understand it, they didn’t really want to leave. So what kind of oppression in the territory of the Russian Empire did you suddenly start talking.
    1. ruslan207
      ruslan207 4 October 2013 18: 54
      0
      user SU  -By the way, Petr Shafirov was also a Jew, was the first police chief of St. Petersburg, Count Yusupov, Admiral Nakhimov, so these people were not Russian comrades, but they did a lot for Russia, and what did you do useful for your country?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 4 October 2013 10: 51
    12
    Quote: Professor
    Oolmendu. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in 1861. In America, a civil war did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

    Here I will argue with you.
    In the United States almost until the 60s in some states hung signs "only for whites." The United States boasts of its democracy, tolerance and has completely forgotten ..........
    1955 Caption: "Only for color customers"
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 11: 08
      18 th
      Quote: APASUS
      In the United States almost until the 60s in some states hung signs "only for whites." The United States boasts of its democracy, tolerance and has completely forgotten ..........
      1955 Caption: "Only for color customers"

      What to argue about this? So it was. But slavery in the Russian Empire was at the same time as in America, but still on a large scale.
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 4 October 2013 11: 45
        +4
        it is clear that in Russia everything is in large sizes. The country is large in size larger.
      2. consul
        consul 4 October 2013 12: 06
        +2
        Barschina in the Russian Empire was worked out 3 days a week, plus it was paid for part of the harvest, the rest of the time the serf worked for himself (as much as he could), in slavery there is none. In our village it is still known that one of the landowners who decided to use the right of the first night (had never used before) were killed.
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 October 2013 12: 28
          -9
          Quote: consul
          there is no such thing in slavery

          This is slavery. They were bought and sold, physically punished, etc.

          Quote: consul
          In our village it is still known that one of the landowners who decided to use the right of the first night (had never used it before) was killed.

          One was killed, and the rest took advantage of this "right"?
          1. consul
            consul 4 October 2013 17: 54
            0
            Quote: Professor
            did the rest use this "right"?


            They didn’t use it at all, and their memory was good.
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 October 2013 18: 38
              0
              Quote: consul
              They didn’t use it at all, and their memory was good.

              How did a bunch of kids run in Dubrovsky exactly like a master?
    2. vahatak
      vahatak 4 October 2013 12: 46
      -4
      And in the USSR there were separate shops for party nomenclature. But none of this draws conclusions.
  • gsg955
    gsg955 4 October 2013 10: 56
    +2
    Fathers all is allowed and it is correct.
  • alebor
    alebor 4 October 2013 11: 05
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

    Serfs are not slaves. A slave is a thing, a serf is a subject. Slaves are not taken into the army - they will betray or flee. In Russia, the "slaves" were the backbone of its army. You can remember how these "slaves" organized themselves and crushed the retreating troops of Napoleon helping to expel them from their country.
    Pushkin wrote about the life of serfs: “The duties are not burdensome at all. The naughty is paid by the world; corvee is defined by law; quitrent is not ruinous ... The peasant trades as he pleases, and sometimes leaves for 2000 verst to make money for himself ... Take a look at the Russian peasant: is there a shadow of slavish humiliation in his steps and speech? There is nothing to say about his courage and smartness. Its intermittency is known. Agility and agility are amazing. ”
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 11: 26
      -5
      Quote: alebor
      A slave is a thing, a serf is a subject.

      Serfdom is also a thing. They sell it, they buy it, they lose it on cards, and by the way no one asks him.

      Quote: alebor
      Slaves in the army do not take

      Take to the army. And the serfs fled, in particular, fled to Siberia.

      Quote: alebor
      Pushkin wrote about the life of serfs:

      I also quote Russian classics about the slave life of serfs?
      1. Gendalf
        Gendalf 4 October 2013 12: 33
        +3
        "A serf is also a thing. They sell him, buy him, lose at cards and, by the way, no one asks him." And, sorry, how do you feel about sports? Selling and buying players? Slavery too?
      2. user
        user 4 October 2013 17: 55
        0
        Professor well done, you can feel the school.
        If you want to talk about the topic, study well, or head, with whom it will turn out.
    2. kanoplynii
      kanoplynii 4 October 2013 12: 08
      0
      I like the way your thoughts agree the worst
    3. vahatak
      vahatak 4 October 2013 12: 48
      -4
      Everything would be fine, but in addition to the brilliant poet, Pushkin was still a landowner.
    4. Raiven
      Raiven 5 October 2013 11: 00
      0
      Pushkin fulfilled this corvee and duties? To then say "the duties are just not burdensome."
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 6 October 2013 12: 45
        0
        No, but what? Three days a week you plow absolutely free (they didn’t even give food) for the master, plus all kinds of extortions from your miserable incomes, and for the rest you can do whatever you want. Complete freedom of action, you see? Isn't that happiness? And all the other nations were envious, of course.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 6 October 2013 13: 01
          0
          Quote: vahatak
          And all the other nations were envious, of course.

          Others were jealous. Take the same Balts, which were not allowed in the cities AT ALL. Or the "fathers of democracy" of the British, who were first driven off the ground by the policy of "fencing", and then they began to be caught "for vagrancy" and ... sold into slavery in the English colonies. Or they were driven into really slave working conditions at the same manufactories
    5. atalef
      atalef 5 October 2013 12: 45
      0
      Quote: alebor
      Serfs are not slaves. A slave is a thing, a serf is a subject

      But this is something new.

      Quote: alebor
      Slaves are not taken into the army - they will betray or flee. In Russia, the "slaves" were the backbone of its army.

      Another nonsense, thirsty to comment sorry, type in google - recruiting in the imperial army
      In the Russian army and navy (Armed Forces) from 1705 to 1874 - a person enrolled in the armed forces on recruitment duty, which was subject to all taxable estates (peasants, burghers, etc.) and for whom she was community and life-long and they supplied from their communities a certain number of recruits (soldier). Recruitment into the armed forces of serfs freed them from serfdom.

      Quote: alebor
      Pushkin wrote about the life of serfs: “The duties are not burdensome at all. The naughty is paid by the world; corvee is defined by law; quitrent is not ruinous ... The peasant trades as he pleases, and sometimes he leaves for 2000 miles to earn money

      Well, from the point of view of the landowner Pushkin - it certainly is, in general the bosses are the only ones who plow (in galleys), and the people lead an idle life.
      Of course, in the case of Pushkin’s great-grandfather (Arap Petr), it’s a little unique, but. as his (Pushkin) great-grandfather was presented as a thing to the Russian Tsar, so many thousands of serfs were given. sold. played cards, sent to distant work, etc.
      Chronology of enslavement of peasants in Russia [edit | edit source]
      Briefly, the chronology of enslavement of peasants in Russia can be represented as follows:

      1497 - The introduction of restrictions on the right to transfer from one landowner to another - St. George's Day.
      1581 - Abolition of St. George's Day - “reserved summers”.
      1597 - The right of the landowner to search for the fugitive peasant for 5 years and to return him to the owner - “lesson summers”.
      1637 - The term of investigation of runaway peasants was increased to 9 years.
      1641 - The term of investigation of runaway peasants was increased to 15 years.
      1649 - The Council Code of 1649 canceled the summer classes, thus securing the indefinite search for the fugitive peasants.
      1718 — 1724 - tax reform, finally attached peasants to the land.
      1747 - the landowner was given the right to sell his serfs to recruits to any person.
      1760 - the landowner received the right to exile peasants to Siberia.
      1765 - the landowner received the right to exile peasants not only to Siberia, but also to hard labor.
      1767 - peasants were strictly forbidden to file petitions (complaints) against their landlords personally to the empress or emperor.
      1783 - the spread of serfdom in the Left-Bank Ukraine.

      Do you know the picture * Bargaining *?
      The painting "Bargaining" depicts the scene of the sale of peasants, typical of the serf era. The content of the picture is extremely simple.
      The landlords are at a table in a peaceful conversation. They are apparently preparing to drink the most common bargain with wine. The subject of trade, too ... the most common - serfs.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 4 October 2013 11: 11
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

    A reference to the studio, dear ........ smile
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 4 October 2013 11: 50
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

    Firstly, the serf and the slave are not the same thing.
    Secondly, Belarus finally became part of the Russian Empire in 1795 (the third section of the Commonwealth).
    There were only 200 thousand serfs on the territory of Belarus, whether Lukashenko’s ancestors were or were not serfs is a question, judging by the rumors on the paternal side it is unlikely.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 October 2013 12: 51
      -1
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      There were only 200 thousand serfs on the territory of Belarus, whether Lukashenko’s ancestors were or were not serfs is a question, judging by the rumors on the paternal side it is unlikely.

      For a simple reason, Belarus was part of the Commonwealth - and there the serfdom was smaller than in the Russian Empire. further in 1812, Napoleon abolished serfdom in Germany and Poland, 9 parts of modern Belarus then entered Poland) and only on the eastern bank of the Neman (i.e. in the Russian Empire) did serfdom remain.
      Therefore, only 200 tons, these were Russian citizens.
  • RussianRu
    RussianRu 4 October 2013 12: 25
    +4
    Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

    1865 Only 36 states accepted the amendment to abolish slavery.
    Kentucky official slavery there was abolished in Xnumx.
    In February 2013, Mississippi finally officially abolished slavery. And to this there is still a reservation there.

    And this is all in a free and democratic country. Paradox.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 October 2013 12: 56
      0
      Quote: Russian
      . And to this there is still a reservation there.

      Reservation. We heard a jingle, but don’t know where it is. A reservation is the same national district. only having such authority, of which no autonomous region, or nat. the education of Russia cannot be considered. I was on a reservation as Canadian Indians. both American (Navajo)
      This state is in the state and even the police can enter there only with the permission of local authorities.
      The largest in size is the Navajo Nation, a reservation of the Navajo people (about 64,7 thousand km²), however there are reservations whose territories do not exceed 50 km². In total, the Indians control 225,4 thousand km² of US territory, which is 2,3% of the entire country (9 km²). 629 reservations have more area than Rhode Island (091 km²), and 12 more than Delaware (3144 km²). The US government recognizes tribal rights to self-government. The tribes living on the reserves have the right to form their own government, to formulate and enforce laws, to establish taxes, to grant the citizenship of a tribe, to license and regulate almost all types of activities, etc. In a legal sense, Indian reserves have the rights that the states have USA. Like the states, they cannot enter into official relations with other states (this is the prerogative of the federal government), declare war and issue money.
  • Gur
    Gur 4 October 2013 13: 05
    +2
    Maybe they were, but what was canceled in America in 1861? Slavery? And when did they really become equal to white? Never! to this day, people of the second grade, and this is in the most democratic country in the galaxy! And what about BATSKI, even if his ancestors were serfs, it was on his consciousness, attitude, concept, and how the President was not affected or affected, unlike Obama.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 October 2013 20: 16
      0
      Quote: GUR
      Maybe they were, but what was canceled in America in 1861? Slavery?
      And in Russia, serfdom? And in other countries?

      Quote: GUR
      And when did they really become equal to white? Never!

      Well, yes Obama is certainly a spout of Anglo-Saxon.
      By the way, Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc. Living in Russia --- equal or more equal than others

      Quote: GUR
      ! And what about BATSKI, even if his ancestors were serfs, it was on his consciousness, attitude, concept, and how the President didn’t affect or influence, unlike Obama.

      The behavior of Lukashenko. it may be different from Obama, but it does not comply with the elementary rules of behavior adopted in a civilized society.
      If he does not accept the elementary rules of tact and respectful attitude accepted in a civilized society, then what remains for me to say. They killed intelligence in the 17th. the remaining fled. a handful of the remaining apparently Lukashenko family bypassed.
      I am ashamed to listen to such things from the lips of the first persons of the state. Do not catch Obama. Do it in this way . what would he be able to say - Belarus is a great people who have achieved that. what America could not achieve.
      1. aleshka
        aleshka 5 October 2013 20: 28
        +2
        Belarusians and so GREAT PEOPLE and they do not need to prove anything! They didn’t hide in the cellars throughout the war, but beat the fascists! And they lost a quarter of the population, fighting, notice, and not choking in the cellars !! So Lukashenko has the right to put any premature in place !!!
      2. Gur
        Gur 8 October 2013 13: 51
        +1
        Uzbeks, Tajiks and all other nations, including Jews (well, of course, you were not allowed to all institutions, but as a paradox you were there everywhere), in the USSR to this day, they study in the same schools, and use city vehicles on an equal footing conditions, and inscriptions like "only for whites" we never had. In the USA, this practice was abolished only in the 50s. But whites still do not want to live in a place with blacks. Detroit is dead, and other cities are dead.
        Unlike Obama, Lukashenko can afford to explain how he thinks, how he thinks and does so. Obama is a doll, without his voice and his will. Where does the puppeteer’s string in the form of the Zhidomassonite financial elite pull it there?
        As for the "elementary rules of behavior", I will say in your words, I beg you not to bireminate my brain. Your notorious rules of conduct will soon bring part of the planet to extinction. When your "rules of conduct" justify all sinful acts, from pedophilia, incest, homosexuality, to the acceptance of the concept of your exclusiveness with the ability to destroy countries and peoples. on your rules of conduct. First, learn to distinguish forget-me-not from shit yourself.
        For me, so few have been killed, those who have not finished off have ruined my country, and not those who are still trying to do it. The Belarusians, like the Russian people, won the war, restored the economy, what would America do if the war on its territory would be a hell when to do it.
        1. michajlo
          michajlo 8 October 2013 15: 25
          0
          GUR KZ Today, 13:51 PM _131008 / WTO
          Uzbeks, Tajiks and other all nations including Jews (well, of course, you weren’t allowed to go to all institutes, but like a paradox you were there everywhere), in the USSR to this day, they study in the same schools, and use city vehicles on equal terms, and we never had any signs like "only for whites". In the USA, this practice was abolished only in the 50s. But white people still do not want to live in a place with blacks. Detroit is dead, and other cities are dead.
          Unlike Obama, Lukashenko can afford to explain how he thinks, how he thinks and does so. Obama is a doll, without his voice and his will. Where does the puppeteer’s string in the form of the Zhidomassonite financial elite pull it there?
          As for the "elementary rules of behavior", I will say in your words, I beg you not to bireminate my brain. Your notorious rules of conduct will soon bring part of the planet to extinction. When your "rules of conduct" justify all sinful acts, from pedophilia, incest, homosexuality, to the acceptance of the concept of your exclusiveness with the ability to destroy countries and peoples. on your rules of conduct. Learn first yourself to distinguish forget-me-not from shit.
          For me, so few have been killed, those who have not finished off have ruined my country, and not those who are still trying to do it.
          Belarusians, like the Russian people, won the war, restored the economy, what would America do if the war on its territory would be a hell when to do it.


          Good afternoon, dear Andrew!

          You wrote very well, I can’t add anything “about exclusivity”. good drinks

          Is it to recall from history that once in the capital one exclusive nation called the Millennium Reich on the dome of the Reichstag, the “Red banner of Victory” already wafted! good
  • rks5317
    rks5317 4 October 2013 13: 09
    +4
    "PROFESSOR" - I don’t know how old you are and what kind of education you have. But judging by the commentary. This is not very, so, for those who do not know and forgetful, back in the 60s of the last century (1960) in the USA there was a SEGREGATION (NEGROUS did not have the right to be in the same room with WHITE ones, whether it was a subway or tram car, public toilet, factory, dining room, etc., etc.) PLUS KKK-Ku-Klux-Klan (organization of white racists wearing white hoods from their feet to the head and killed blacks for blacks to.chto they ... and it's good (and maybe bad) .chto KKK in the US no longer ... and niggers escaped from racists do vid.chto it was in another country and are now killing people all over the world. as if taking revenge for centuries of their slavery and humiliation ...
    о
  • Don
    Don 4 October 2013 14: 00
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

    And where is where when and what was canceled? The thing is different. With these words, he wanted the idea to convey that how can a person who has come out of the midst of people whom, until recently, have been oppressed, talk about some kind of exceptionalism. The white population in the 50-60s, in the USA, also spoke of their exceptionalism, they considered themselves so exceptional that they didn’t want to sit on the bus next to the black one. And now the concept has changed. All US citizens are exceptional, and the rest of the world, in their opinion, is second grade.
  • sq
    sq 4 October 2013 15: 06
    +2
    Serfdom, serfdom ...
    And please name the differences between serfdom in the Russian Empire (as well as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Commonwealth) and slavery in the United States.
    Or do you write according to the rooster principle: "The main thing is to crow, and there at least the sun does not rise."
  • Vittt
    Vittt 4 October 2013 16: 21
    +3
    Professor, you compared the long with the red: the Belarusian, unlike the Negro, did not call himself exceptional.
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 16: 42
      -1
      Quote: Vittt
      Professor, you compared the long with the red: the Belarusian, unlike the Negro, did not call himself exceptional.

      I do not support the Negro in his statements, but the Belarusian forgot that at the same time his ancestors (or their neighbors) were also slaves.
      1. ruslan207
        ruslan207 4 October 2013 19: 26
        0
        kvm in the 18th century and Belarusians weren’t Litvinians
      2. Current 72
        Current 72 5 October 2013 02: 30
        -3
        Professor: Yes, even for your eyes, you scream, God's dew!
  • angarchanin
    angarchanin 4 October 2013 18: 17
    +5
    Professor, you are disingenuous: the last southern American state abolished slavery (in your opinion - serfdom) last year. Dear, sometimes there is a need to read information if not in the newspapers, then at least in the library of the US Congress. Oh, how shameful it must be !!!!
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 October 2013 18: 42
      0
      Quote: angarchanin
      Professor, you are disingenuous: the last southern American state abolished slavery (in your opinion - serfdom) last year. Dear, sometimes there is a need to read information if not in the newspapers, then at least in the library of the US Congress. Oh, how shameful it must be !!!!

      There has been no de facto slavery in America since the mid-19th century. There is not even a residence permit ... wink
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 4 October 2013 18: 46
    -3


    haters of YUSA: how many Russians were killed, or, even worse, tortured by the USA? ZERO! And what did the Nazis-Hitlerites do with the Russians? However, everyone drives Hitler's Foltsvagens or BMWs advertised by the "Pederactom" German-Molotov. And such electronics are just 001! It's funny to listen to a Russian patriot on an Audi! can I give you some contradictions?
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 4 October 2013 20: 03
      +2
      pioneer do not get stuck in adult conversations! THE ENTIRE POPULATION AFTER THE DISPOSAL OF THE USSR RUSSIA RECEIVED THANKS TO THE USA !!! COUNT IF YOU CAN!
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 5 October 2013 04: 11
        +1
        You guessed it! I didn’t have a chance to walk in Komsomoltsy, the shop was closed, exposing it as harmful to our people. They say that they are all vampires there, well, and ... finally, they created an "airfield" from our Red Square on the 6th day. What are you (RT) with Bill Gates decided to compete with?

        Better to drink red blood from their German-Austrians - they have a chosen mandate than ours, so "gray hair in a beard, a devil in a rib" better watch the comedy "scary movie" and do not interfere with the blacks, otherwise in your next life you will be a deXY vomit-gandhi, somewhere near the road of Jesus to wait, if you miss your cherub GAZ-24-10.

        And for those who believe it’s not a fool, the question is: how many monuments did Volkswagen sponsor, say, Nelmut Tell, or anti-fascists like Sorge = 0, so don’t say that if you leave out, you can make a worthy partner, unless of course you are not from the Menshevik party !
        1. aleshka
          aleshka 5 October 2013 06: 49
          0
          You’re talking about some kind of nonsense, you’d go to a psychiatrist! It will not help of course, but suddenly!
      2. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 5 October 2013 04: 31
        +1
        By the way, Japanese Pioneers don't interest me at all. They are kind of lousy and stink of scorched Paradise, in short, not a kid's product, but as our leader Lenin used to say, "there is only one thing", in short Mitsubishi 360 + 20 = eternal games, and we have fun, wheel!

  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 4 October 2013 19: 17
    +1
    Learn history, in all of us "beloved" America back in the 60s of the last century, blacks were practically on the rights of slaves ... Personally, I am big and fat on America and I am only "for" when people really tell the truth about this arrogant and unceremonious country, not l ... t n ... u.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 5 October 2013 04: 22
      0
      I'm not so much interested in what was 60 years old, but what will be 60 years in advance. I am a futurist, I love the future! And the past for me is the present.
      1. aleshka
        aleshka 5 October 2013 06: 52
        0
        like a psychiatrist, but until you smoke grass, switch to green tea
  • Uncle
    Uncle 4 October 2013 20: 15
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in 1861.

    I will support the Professor, although this threatens an avalanche of minuses. Indeed, blacks, whom they did not consider to be people, were cattle (remember the theory of the front corner) as slaves, and at the same time, Christians in Russia owned Christian slaves. This is a shame for us Russians, although it is not our own fault.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 4 October 2013 22: 43
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...


    Professor, you have somehow been driven exclusively and uncompromisingly. For the first time I see such numbers, and even red. How do you manage to get people crazy?
    1. Professor
      Professor 5 October 2013 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: Botanologist
      How do you manage to get people crazy?

      Just asking an obvious question like: Is the king naked? wink
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 October 2013 23: 05
    +1
    The only difference is that Lukashenko does not declare Belarusians exceptional. My ancestors plowed the land, I know for sure. And mother's ancestors in Belarus. Here I have an exclusive right - to die for my land, if such a time comes. And there’s nothing else special ... Maybe only a hut from the edge - the first meeting that the gods send.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 5 October 2013 04: 16
      +2
      I would suggest "to live on your land and not touch the enemy," otherwise we were killed by the unbeaten SS men, starting from the 90s, so that they could pollute our land with "black" mugs, but I don't need slaves, I am for the prolitarians! Glory to God of the Seas and Heaven, from the company of heroes "

  • Raiven
    Raiven 5 October 2013 02: 26
    0
    prof, and when serfdom was canceled we were free? Or as part of RI?
  • kenig1
    kenig1 5 October 2013 04: 23
    0
    a historian in the usa did not have serfdom; less than a hundred years ago the black delgen was giving way to white public transport.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 5 October 2013 18: 03
      -2
      Did you just see enough of a dog’s heart, or the Gehimans scared you with a rainbow ... It’s necessary to appropriate the flag No.% A, and what do we need - 2NUT in EG?

      Look at the world in black and white. And we Belarusians or, say, for example, the red-skinned with the Karakalpaks, what to do?

      We, in your black-and-white, or rather jaundice, matrix do not fit us like a mushroom? It’s good that I bugged Australia, and whoever is next to China wouldn’t say hello.


      Brzezinski in a Porsche and for soap! They say that birch gives less burning than oak. It’s just my mother’s name spoils as from "Ivan Vasilyevich changes profession", unsurpassed by Mikhalkov Gaidai, or still come to his senses who is Jagiello, and who is Teutonic gasket for Porsche Russians!


      1. sashka
        sashka 6 October 2013 09: 34
        +1
        Is it easy to write poorly in Russian? Without Mother and is there anything else ..? USE however will long remind of itself ..
  • carver
    carver 6 October 2013 02: 35
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in the 1861 year. In America, the Civil War did this at the same time, 1861-1864. Maybe Lukashenko’s ancestors were serfs ...

    Oktsana Oksana, read that at least Father Onufry writes: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%E0%F1%EE%E2%E0%FF_%F1%E5%E3%F0%E5%E3% E0% F6% E8% F
    F_% E2_% D1% D8% C0

    You have once again shown that you present information sweet only for your position.
    1. Professor
      Professor 6 October 2013 09: 17
      +1
      Quote: carver
      You have once again shown that you present information sweet only for your position.

      No matter how many blacks in the USA lynch from this, serfdom in Russia will not become more beautiful. As I see it, not everyone is given to understand.
  • Aleksandr58
    Aleksandr58 6 October 2013 23: 19
    0
    Yes you ! In the United States, slavery in one of the states was officially abolished only in the winter of this year!
  • Buivol
    Buivol 7 October 2013 15: 31
    -1
    Proffesor, serfdom in our country, in Belarus, was much milder even Russian, well, of course, before joining the Russian Empire. Exaggerating a little in Russia, the landowners owned the peasants and the peasants owned the land, in Belarus, the landowners owned the land, and through the ownership of the land they owned the peasants, and even such a nightmare as the Lynch courts, which flourished in the USA in the thirties of the last century, in Belarus It was never. As well as the Jewish pogroms, although Jews have been living with us since the time of Prince Vitovt, well, this is again before entering the Russian Empire. And in the empire of Belarus, intolerance did not stand out rather the opposite. Lukashenko is 100% right, we have never had such slavery as in the USA.
  • Stas Minsk-Ufa
    Stas Minsk-Ufa 7 October 2013 18: 48
    +1
    Imagine hypothetically that they were serfs, and what ??? Belarusians (Slavs) do not talk about any of their exclusivity.
  • Russophile
    Russophile 8 October 2013 16: 31
    0
    So he does not consider himself exceptional, the maximum second after God))
  • lone wolf
    lone wolf 10 October 2013 13: 54
    0
    Chronology.
    Serfdom in Russia was abolished in 1861. If my memory serves me, then in 1967 in the United States they allowed a white-and-black-skinned public transport ...
  • Gari
    Gari 4 October 2013 10: 21
    +5
    Quote: vadimus
    Old Man cuts the truth of the uterus

    So, it would be fair to present the Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko the weekly “Political Man” prize.
    Old Man - A Man is a Man.
    Exceptionally planted on an exceptional ass.
  • kanoplynii
    kanoplynii 4 October 2013 11: 24
    +2
    Putinovich and Mendel need to take an example of how to put in place gamer and geyrop and several countries need to declare loudly and publicly if the Americans do not stop stopping people from living peacefully, then we put them in place just say no need to fight and do as Oleg did Jankowski in the film, Baron Münghausen and see how this exceptional squeezing immoral rotten gamer will squeeze her flea tail and hide in her doghouse and nose will no longer pop out as a rule all those who attack the weakest coward stems being as one smart man hares crowd lion from pi zdili hope I am not banned for the wrong words but accurately expressed the idea so it's time to fight back islyuchitelno otherwise we are waiting for an analogue of the people of Syria silent evil prtsvetaet let pass us evil
  • Arthur 775
    Arthur 775 4 October 2013 23: 01
    0
    Lukashenko is handsome, he simply bribes with his directness +++
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 4 October 2013 08: 13
    15
    Certainly not Obama to talk about "exclusivity" ...
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 4 October 2013 08: 37
      +8
      Quote: xetai9977
      Certainly not Obama to talk about "exclusivity" ...


      Well, why, it is exceptional in its own way ... At least in the fact that:
      1. received the Nobel Prize "in advance";
      2. The first black president of the United States.

      These are of course dubious achievements, but still laughing
      1. Very old
        Very old 4 October 2013 09: 41
        +1
        Sergey, where is your toleraaaaantanness? Well worthless ochchen very tanned guy so
        1. Valery Neonov
          Valery Neonov 4 October 2013 13: 26
          +3
          Yes, a pigeon ...
      2. vahatak
        vahatak 4 October 2013 12: 51
        +1
        actually Obama is half black. So the Americans have much to strive for.
    2. ruslan207
      ruslan207 4 October 2013 10: 05
      -2
      And his environment is not the only one he makes the decision
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 4 October 2013 08: 18
    +8
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    When will Putin stop calling the USA partners?
    - Putin is not McCain, he is too educated to say anything directly to the media, even if it’s true (unlike McCain, who insults everyone left and right)! But personally to Obama, I think Putin suggested helping to climb back home, on a palm tree ... hi
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 4 October 2013 08: 22
    +8
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    Tolerance, partners ...
    Tolerance - the lack of a possibility of resistance to a foreign body ... partners ... some kind of disgusting expression nowadays turns out to be "tolerant partners", I agree, it is necessary to tie up with such formulations! laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 October 2013 09: 17
      +9
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Tolerance,

      This word should generally be prohibited from pronouncing in Russia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. Vittt
        Vittt 4 October 2013 17: 04
        0
        Tolerance, democracy, African-American, gay face (probably confusing east with west when orienting), and also a type with black hair, a black beard, fierce (I and your mother ...), in varnished boots, which God forbid to call churkobesom, dag or Czech.
        Tolerance - for the Slavs, God forbid to offend sensitive blacks, Caucasians, Arabs, Tajiks. Slavs can be polished as you wish.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 4 October 2013 08: 35
    +6
    Lukosheko is right, Volodin wrote a good article, BUT ... When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    Maybe this irony is like that, in the same place, in the West, it is now fashionable to be partners:
    You cannot call a father a father, and a mother a mother, otherwise the sexual minority, which in some countries apparently wants to become a majority, will think that this is pressure on his rights ...

    Here is the GDP and hints at their orientation.wassat
    Or maybe he also hints that he has them ... as partners.wassat
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 4 October 2013 08: 46
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????


    Probably on the very day when the United States will no longer climb into Peugeot to each and everyone?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 October 2013 09: 17
      +3
      Quote: Geisenberg


      Probably on the very day when the United States will no longer climb into Peugeot to each and everyone

      Never mean crying
  • Very old
    Very old 4 October 2013 08: 55
    +7
    NEVER. Our government is tormented by the Chukhonsky ailment "tooooooleeraaaaaaanstnost". EBN had friends all over the world: both Kol and Bush-st. But partners are in use. In my opinion, partners do a common cause, and do not insert hairpins to another friend (this is at best)
    Bravo, But father! God bless you
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 09: 34
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    Genital can. Only we are on top. wassat
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 4 October 2013 09: 36
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    At the same time, Putin smiles slyly. It is clear as day that it is such a thick geopolitical trolling, like: no matter how the United States tries to spoil relations with us and tries to annoy us, we are always open to peaceful and progressive cooperation. IMHO, we must continue to troll in the same spirit. This is a little gear in a big information war.
  • LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 4 October 2013 09: 39
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    BUT ... When Putin will stop calling the USA partners ?????


    It's not that fashionable. This is now accepted. Because You can’t call a friend, an enemy either. Partner or counterparty =)

    But But father - well done! It works as it should.
  • My address
    My address 4 October 2013 09: 56
    -1
    Alexander Romanov.

    VVP will stop calling these ... partners when they "throw" it. Not us, but, specifically, him. As long as he keeps OUR gold and currency there, he considers them partners. And the gold and currency, he believes, is earned by him. GDP thinks that he is Russia. To me, too, King Sun, a la Louis # 14.
    Naviled the last few EBNatika ...
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 4 October 2013 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: My address
      Naviled the last few EBNatika ...


      I think you should work a little as president of the Russian Federation. So to speak - to perceive everything on your own skin! And then with * ka used to blurt out the bad, hearing a ringing, not knowing where he is!
      You criticize - offer something sensible! And then in words they are all, n // d smart, already there are no words.
      1. My address
        My address 4 October 2013 12: 30
        +2
        Yaroslav!

        I started out as a worker. I got to the head of the shop with a team of a little less than 800. I could go higher, I just had to say "YES", agree with the attitude of the management towards a friend. Do not even denigrate, but simply agree. Still - far from ideal, but in the shop he strangled for theft and indifference. He strangled, first of all, the leaders. I repeat (see earlier), I am over 60 and proud that my workers greet me first in the city. You said ugly about the skin. I put it mildly. I can bring it within the rules. Experience Art. you can't drink a master. And so, I had a seven-hour working day, from 7 to 7 five days a week. The other two are only four to five hours long. So when I left, I immediately gained 15 kg, the pressure dropped by 20 mm, and immediately began to fall asleep.

        And there is nothing special to offer. You just have to do your own thing. In management science there are concepts of duties, responsibility, rights. So this is db. equilateral triangle. I was taught that first of all duties, then equal responsibility, rights later. Even - years before 40-45, I was tormented by the question whether I was paid more than I earn. And the principles of management are the same for a plot of one and a half hundred, for a country. And do not grab my tongue - just the principles. And if you do not pull at least one of the first two sides of the triangle, leave.

        And what do our ... correspond to? And where is their conscience, sorry, responsibility? And which of them led / commanded, even though the brigade / platoon? That is what experience? Lawyers ..., the second well, quite a lawyer! And I still know a lot on this topic. And he studied well and I was taught well by my senior comrades.

        Minus you do not put. I consider myself a real lieutenant colonel - see above for the post.
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 4 October 2013 13: 10
          +3
          Quote: My address
          Ugly, you said about the skin.


          I apologize for this!
          I am young, I am only 25 years old. Kg in recent years also added = (
          But that's not the point. I myself am from Ukraine (Mom - from St. Petersburg, Father - from Ivano-Frankivsk, which is western Ukraine). I am grateful to the Soviet Union for meeting them. Then I was born (as already known where). He lived 17 there. Then they moved to St. Petersburg, because there are absolutely no prospects in my homeland (and this is very sad).
          Although I am young, I have something to compare with, i.e. comparing two states and comparing their governments. In no case do I want to contradict your ideals and outlook on life. Because we are all different people and everyone has their own point of view on a particular situation. The man whose name is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin impresses me very much. I have been watching him for a long time. I observe his actions, his decisions and decrees. There are also (decrees and decisions) with which I do not agree.
          You better know what the time was 90, I could only see by their parents.
          In my years, I have already formed a clear position towards the authorities and the President of the Russian Federation (she is loyal). I rarely criticize anyone, because I understand that I have to offer something in return, something I disagree with (some solution).

          PS if I offended with a word - please do not be angry and forgive! drinks
          1. My address
            My address 4 October 2013 14: 45
            +1
            Yaroslav!
            I had a good attitude to GDP until about this May. All waited for the normal continuation of his previous work. Although he understood that he was more for his own than for ordinary people. He believed that he was not a citizen of the country, but of the Kremlin. And without a country the Kremlin is nothing. But one of the members of the forum here correctly corrected me - the GDP is not even a citizen of the Kremlin, he is president, but only for his own. And if we do not like his people (Kudrin, Gref, Serdyukov, DAM), or the people of EBN (Chubais), then these are our problems. A simple example with the prison Kvachkov and witness Serdyukov. And talking about the dependence of GDP on some groups of influence is nonsense. Even soft Brezhnev after a year crushed everyone under him.
            Health. hi
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 October 2013 15: 53
      0
      Quote: My address
      VVP will stop calling these ... partners when they "throw" it. Not us, but, specifically,

      So far, I have not seen someone who would be able to throw Putin. They try all the time, but in the end they lose
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 4 October 2013 09: 57
    +3
    yes it’s a banter. no one in the world perceives it otherwise. say - we speak your, tolerastnym, language.
  • domokl
    domokl 4 October 2013 10: 04
    +8
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    , BUT ... When Putin will cease to call the USA partners

    Hi Sasha. It’s immediately obvious that you don’t understand politics today. laughing
    Just imagine, you and a prostitute are doing what they usually do. And then the police. You can’t say that this is a wife, that you’re also a lover ... I forgot to ask a name. That's what you call this prostitute a partner laughing
    The policy is called ... Hmm drinks
    1. My address
      My address 4 October 2013 10: 35
      0
      Aa-riginal! lol
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 October 2013 15: 56
      0
      Quote: domokl
      Hi Sasha. It’s immediately obvious that you don’t understand politics today.

      You mean I'm not tolerant wassat
      Hi hi
      Quote: domokl
      Just imagine, you and a prostitute do what they usually do

      Playing cards or what? winked
  • AVV
    AVV 4 October 2013 10: 06
    +1
    GOOD FATHER! America is exceptional for its homosexuals, huge public debt, and the desire to teach everyone and everything! But in fact, it is the conductor of the Israeli lobby policy, and the ambitions of the Qatari monarchy and the Saudis !!!
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 4 October 2013 11: 25
    +1
    When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    why should he stop doing this?
    not the main thing that he says, but the main thing is what he does "for the good" of these very "partners".
    On the contrary, this is the peak of cynicism: to call the enemy a partner and at the same time try to push the reptiles into the back with all their might. We simply take over the experience and use it against its creators - the owners. history has shown that rubbing on the forehead is not an option.
  • rks5317
    rks5317 4 October 2013 12: 57
    0
    When the KIPU stops wearing (see the YouTube YouTube Jew. Putin near the crying wall, etc., etc.) ...
  • Rink
    Rink 4 October 2013 16: 33
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    ... when will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    What's wrong with that?!
    Not to call them openly our "probable opponents"? Better to say "our incredible partners" (which is basically the same thing).
  • eplewke
    eplewke 4 October 2013 17: 02
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Lukosheko is right, Volodin wrote a good article, BUT ... When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    When in Los Angeles our Marine Corps landed, or when Washington Sushki bombing start ...
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 October 2013 17: 12
      0
      Quote: eplewke
      When in Los Angeles our Marine Corps landed, or when Washington Sushki bombing start ...
      Nifiga, and then they will also remain partners. Sexual only laughing
  • old man54
    old man54 4 October 2013 17: 36
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    BUT ... When Putin will stop calling the USA partners ????

    Stupid question, sorry! It will cease when it ceases to see in them, in the p.i.nd.d.sos.kh., their own, it is him and his clique of the closest, partners, i.e. people with whom he would dream to be friends and do his dirty deeds with them!
    1. Inspector
      Inspector 4 October 2013 20: 02
      +1
      Sorry, chase. Did you see his face when he calls them partners? What did he call their enemies? Do not cling to garbage.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 5 October 2013 04: 34
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    , BUT ... When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    When he puts 500 rubles on his shoulder and says the historical phrase, Dress my soul and ... wassat
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 5 October 2013 06: 20
    +3
    When he returns home money.
  • Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 5 October 2013 13: 55
    +1
    Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko - Chairman of the Supreme State Council of the Union State.
    The Union State (the names of the Union of Russia and Belarus (SRB), the Union State of Russia and Belarus (SRGB), the Union of Belarus and Russia, the Union of Belarus and Russia) are a political project of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation , economic, military, customs, currency, legal, humanitarian, cultural space.
  • Petergut
    Petergut 7 October 2013 10: 13
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Lukosheko is right, Volodin wrote a good article, BUT ... When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????


    Dear Alexander, A.G. Lukashenko is the president of the Republic of Belarus, which, incidentally, is the closest ally of the Russian Federation, so I kindly ask you not to distort his name in the future. Bow will be rightаshenko. I think such things are either banal illiteracy or conscious trolling.
    All the best.

    Ps By the way, I’m never surprised that you even write in your own nickname the name Romanov with a capital letter. bully
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 10 October 2013 09: 13
    0
    Only when the United States ceases to see him as a partner. And this will happen either after everything that was required of him, he will do and will no longer be needed, or if he stops dancing to their tune.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 October 2013 08: 03
    11
    Well, it remains only to applaud the Old Man, to applaud while standing; as always, precisely and without any political correctness (she surrendered to him!)! good
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 October 2013 08: 05
    10
    almost Aesopian language
    do you know the Aesop language?
    -language and, excuse me, WHAT?
    dad well done. and really, why be shy then? and we even have a favorite site what
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 4 October 2013 08: 54
      +4
      we even have a favorite site ++++++++++!
  • Ribwort
    Ribwort 4 October 2013 08: 11
    10
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    When will Putin stop calling the USA partners?

    Probably when our "elites" lose all real estate and bank accounts in this country. Here, indeed, what kind of partners they are after that! lol Everything else, apparently, for Mr. Putin fits well into the framework of "partnership" relations.
  • smel
    smel 4 October 2013 08: 12
    +7
    Old Man well done !!! Unlike many politicians and presidents, he says and does a lot of things right. As elsewhere, he has opponents and envious people. Yes, and Belarus itself is largely an example to follow
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 4 October 2013 09: 57
      +4
      Old Man in the presidency of the new union!
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 4 October 2013 08: 20
    10
    Sometimes I look at how our government mocks Belarus, and I want to move them with something like an iron ... angry
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 4 October 2013 22: 10
      +2
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      how our government mocks Belarus

      The Institute of Economics of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus estimated Russian subsidies to the Belarusian economy in 2012 at $ 9,9 billion due to preferential prices for gas and oil, but was too shy to take into account income from the solvent scheme.
      When calculating gas subsidies, Russian gas prices were compared for Belarus and Ukraine - respectively $ 168 and $ 430 dollars per thousand cubic meters. In 2012, Belarus imported 20,3 billion cubic meters, which gives the amount of gas subsidies of $ 5,3 billion.
      Last year, Belarus duty-free imported 21,3 million tons of oil. If the price of Russian oil included an export duty, Belarus would transfer $ 8,4 billion to the budget of the Russian Federation (the value of the export duty at the end of 2012 - $ 396,5 per ton) was used for the calculation. At the same time, in 2012 Belarus transferred $ 3,8 billion of export duties on petroleum products to the budget of the Russian Federation. Thus, according to the IE at the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus, the Russian oil subsidies to the Belarusian economy in 2012 amounted to $ 4,6 billion.
      It should be noted that the Institute’s experts were embarrassed to add another $ 1,5-2 billion to the amount of subsidies that Belarus earned last year on a solvent scheme for exporting oil products (export of oil products under the guise of solvents plus duty-free export of biodiesel), which avoids the transfer of duties to the budget RF
      In addition, duty-free import of Russian oil to the Republic of Belarus allows saving significant funds on interest on bank loans for the purchase of this oil. In the case of payment of the aforementioned duty - $ 8,4 billion, oil traders would have to give banks about a tenth of this amount (oil loan rates are 10-12% per annum) or about $ 800 million.
      Thus, the Institute of Economics did not include solvent-credit subsidies in the amount of about $ 2,8 billion, which together gives us $ 12,7 billion by the end of the year or more than 1 billion monthly.
      The calculations of the Institute of Economics of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus are published in the journal Banking Vesnik.
      1. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 10 October 2013 11: 16
        0
        The price of gas for external customers is dictated by different conditions, among others - the range of transportation and the cost of transit. Through Belarus, gas goes to Europe and is sold to it at 417 dollars (at 2012 prices). In addition, many mutually beneficial contracts have been concluded between Russia and Belarus, in which the benefit for Russia is no less substantial. Belarus is one of the most friendly states of Russia (which cannot be said about Ukraine), which is also linked by geopolitical interdependence. Therefore, it would be foolish to equalize the price of gas for Belarus with the prices for Europe or Ukraine. The interests of Ukraine are aimed at integration with Europe and America, and not with Russia, Ukraine has a treacherous policy towards Russia, breaking off the deepest common historical roots. Belarus, on the contrary, seeks to maintain and develop centuries-old ties with Russia in all areas, understanding the strength of such unity in the international arena. Only our oligarchs, who care exclusively about their pockets, and not about the national interests of Russia, are not worried about such values. Therefore, they show off, measuring the greatness of people by the thickness of their wallet. Old Man is not an oligarch, so no one is for them.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 4 October 2013 08: 29
    10
    Quote: Professor
    Half the truth. Serfdom on the territory of present Belarus was canceled in 1861. In America, a civil war did this at the same time, 1861-1864.

    But another hundred years after that there was a rule - dogs and blacks are not allowed!
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 4 October 2013 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: AlexVas44
      another hundred years after that there was a rule - dogs and blacks are not allowed!

      Disingenuous Professor. TOTALLY it was canceled in the United States only last year. Although this fact was presented as a curiosity of legislation, but ... the fact remains that the state law, which was in force until recently, has not been repealed request wink
  • stroporez
    stroporez 4 October 2013 08: 29
    +5
    Old Man -------- MUZHIK ........... more than such ...............
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 4 October 2013 08: 31
    +5
    political immediacy, which today, to put it mildly, not all politicians can afford themselves. Lukashenko - maybe.

    YOUNG ALEXANDER GRIGORIEVICH!laughing
    And in general, Obama amazes me! More recently, black people in America were slaves ... Today they already declare some kind of exclusivity ...
    It’s good that I didn’t say about the guys who got down from the tree. laughing
    BRAVO, COMRADE LUKASHENKO!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 4 October 2013 11: 38
      +2
      It’s good that I didn’t say about the guys who got down from the tree.
      Old Man it was incredibly wild effort!
  • Altona
    Altona 4 October 2013 08: 44
    +7
    Old Man Kakbe hints that the Belarusian partisans will instruct the Syrian partisans, and not enough NATO will seem ...
  • PValery53
    PValery53 4 October 2013 08: 47
    +5
    But father is our hero of Russia! - Do not cheat and tell the truth in the eye. Not many politicians have the courage to speak directly. Catching up with the rating of Putin, it should be.
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 4 October 2013 08: 50
    +6
    The professor grinds rubbish again ... laughing
    1. major071
      major071 4 October 2013 11: 56
      +7
      And all professors always grind rubbish. Sitting at a lecture and thinking who he is talking to? It seems that he speaks to himself, proves something to himself and argues with himself. laughing
  • 311ove
    311ove 4 October 2013 08: 59
    +4
    Daddy fellow! "The goal was scored effectively" .... it is a pity that not a count ... wassat to these tolerasts.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 4 October 2013 09: 08
    +4
    Old Man forever) !!!!!
  • pahom54
    pahom54 4 October 2013 09: 09
    +7
    Whatever you say, I like the dad Lukashenko !!! It happens so directly sometimes that it still leads the collective farm, and not the sovereign state, but listen to it and read the statements - even if they are, to put it mildly, not in the diplomatic language, BUT IT IS READY AND UNDERSTANDABLE for friends, for enemies . It seems to me that no one has yet managed to obama @ so Obama as he did. Well done!!!
    Well, as for his dictatorship ... Well, there is something in him that brings him in something ... BUT !!! There is order in Belarus, and not just many, but two of my schoolmates who stayed in school remained in Belarus after the collapse of the USSR (one, by the way, is almost a Muscovite from Lyubertsy), and apart from commendable reviews about life in Belarus, I did not hear anything.
    Honestly, sometimes I think about the fact that it would be nice for our GDP to adopt some features of the Old Man, some ways and mechanisms of state administration to adopt.
  • individual
    individual 4 October 2013 09: 11
    +4
    Quote:
    "Well, Mr. American President Barack Obama, they ate, as they say. But Father, gave you an instructive injection, calling things by their proper names. What will you do now?"

    Well, what will he do? The sixth American fleet from the steppes of Ukraine will be sent to the forests of Belarus. wassat
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 4 October 2013 09: 18
    +7
    Alexander Grigorievich does not change and is always true to himself. And this can only arouse respect. We have. And for the "civilized" West, he is too straightforward, calling things by their proper names ...
    And I personally have no doubt that Lukashenko’s words will reach Barack Hussein Obama. Report ...
  • dumkopf
    dumkopf 4 October 2013 09: 18
    +3
    And I remembered Poland for 39 years and its arrogance towards Germany ...
  • GOGY
    GOGY 4 October 2013 09: 26
    +1
    Old Man well done, we would have him ...
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 4 October 2013 09: 27
    10
    Greatness of Poland.
  • RA77
    RA77 4 October 2013 09: 27
    +2
    Yeah, man Lukashenko)) He graduated))
  • sellrub
    sellrub 4 October 2013 09: 31
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Lukosheko is right, Volodin wrote a good article, BUT ... When will Putin stop calling the USA partners ?????

    You're right. Enough of the hypocrite. The United States sets itself the MAJOR task - to destroy Russia. The US is not our partner. In extreme cases - a neighboring state.
    1. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 4 October 2013 09: 49
      0
      this fashion began plush .... and GDP continued .... I think for a while
  • kci
    kci 4 October 2013 09: 38
    +2
    for a word does not go into his pocket. Lukashenko steers
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 4 October 2013 09: 40
    +2
    "WikiLeaks: Lukashenko complained about Russia": During his visit to Belarus, Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet learned a lot about Russia. “Estonia is not our enemy, but Russia - maybe,” Lukashenko said to the Estonian minister. During the entire meeting with Paet, Lukashenko repeated anti-Russian statements. ]

    “Having assured Paet that Estonia was never his enemy, Lukashenko devoted most of the 90-minute meeting to attacks on Russia,” said Karen Decker, temporary attorney of the US Embassy in Tallinn. “Lukashenko expressed hope that Finland, Sweden and Denmark would refuse to give permission for the construction of the Nord Stream, which he would prefer Yamal-2 (through Belarus). According to Lukashenko, it will cost ten times cheaper. Lukashenko also claims that he can be forced to recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia this winter in exchange for cheap gas from Russia. He complained about the Russian media, which, according to him, is full of fraud. As for Georgia, Lukashenko said Russia began planning a war several years ago and tricked Saakashvili into action. Lukashenko also told Paet that Saakashvili invited him to Georgia, but he has not yet made a decision, as he does not want to annoy the Kremlin. ”

    From the report of Ms. Decker, it also follows that the Belarusian leader was counting on economic assistance from the EU. “Lukashenko claimed that he preferred Belarus to be independent, and was very upset that the EU did not encourage him for carrying out reforms or for his non-recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia,” the message says. Lukashenko added that the EU can sleep peacefully, because Belarus is protecting its borders from illegal immigrants. At the same time, he noted with regret that for this his country does not receive anything in return and is forced to be friends with Venezuela and Iran in order to reduce its dependence on Russia. ”
    If you even believe that WikiLeaks is a lie and provocation, Assange has been sitting in the Ecuadorian embassy for more than a year, fearing persecution for sexual harassment, then Alexander Grigoryevich! why do not you recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Friendship is disinterested for me, but for YOU?
  • Wendor
    Wendor 4 October 2013 09: 41
    +5
    Old Man is the biggest PLUS, though he is the only one who can say what he thinks, and not what you can.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 4 October 2013 09: 43
    +1
    Precisely essentially put the exceptional in place.
  • svp67
    svp67 4 October 2013 10: 05
    +1
    In general, Lukashenko - Obama, 1-0.
    Judging by the responses, the score is clearly larger and not in favor of Obama ...
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 4 October 2013 11: 20
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Judging by the responses, the score is clearly larger and not in favor of Obama ...

      They don’t play football, for skidding melons on the opponent’s field 5 points + consolidated. Father will not miss, another plus three.
  • Leisure
    Leisure 4 October 2013 10: 10
    +1
    From the word exclusivity, I want. There are a lot of examples of "exceptionalism" in history, and this still does not end. It's sad.
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 4 October 2013 10: 11
    +6
    But father is the highest !!! I respect

    but regarding the fact that
    More recently, black people in America were slaves ... Today they already declare some kind of exclusivity ... I never thought that a person who came out of these poor strata would be able to conduct such rhetoric in the world ... This is unacceptable. This is extremely dangerous.
    - so completely agree with Butler. Until recently, the black ones did not really blather, but today we are talking in the USA (and all over the world) about the oppression of the white part of the population - do not call him a Negro (as if, if you call him "black", he will become less "Negro"), refuse in work - they cannot (although most of them are not employees), they bring them to the countries in batches, having mastered the algorithm for receiving benefits with a complete unwillingness to work. Roughly the same situation with homosexuals (and other LGBT people) - quite recently, almost all states suppressed this sodom and they sat quieter than water, below the grass ... and today it is already inconvenient to say in a full voice that you are "... not a centimeter behind ... ".
    And the technology is right - to torture the whole world with your past misfortunes; stories of how long and painfully they were oppressed and building their gesheft on the guilt of the world ... by the way, the Holocaust is the same topic.

    The problem is the tolerance imposed on us - nothing masculine, direct. and it’s necessary, as Father’s father-in-law, to be called a fag, and Obama to be a black man! (or is he not black, but just black? then let him wash)
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 4 October 2013 11: 53
      +1
      in Allen Edwards' book "Jewish Erotica", New York,
      1967 .: it is written "... some elements of Christianity were somehow
      convinced that Jewry perverted all of Europe by introducing ancient Jewish customs
      sodomy and bestiality wherever they settled ... "(p. 179)
  • SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 4 October 2013 10: 17
    +1
    Lukashenko - well done! You need to call a spade a spade! The article is good and indicative in this regard!
  • Spstas1
    Spstas1 4 October 2013 10: 23
    +1
    Tolerance, partners ...
    Tolerance - the lack of a possibility of resistance to a foreign body ... partners ... some kind of disgusting expression nowadays turns out to be "tolerant partners", I agree, it is necessary to tie up with such formulations ...

    Noblesse oblige, as the French say. Although, to be more precise, not "origin", but "position". And the Strugatskys spoke best of all about this issue: "Our Don Tameeo is cowardly. And a famous politician ..." ("It's hard to be a god")
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  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 4 October 2013 10: 49
    +1
    Is America a nation?
    The indigenous nation of America - the Indians are all the rest, calling themselves Americans, none other than the citizens of America and especially not Barack Obamych, born in America from Kenyan and American mostly English, Scottish, Irish and German origin.
    So, declaring the exclusivity of the American nation, he first of all admits that the Indians should be exceptional there - the president should be more careful with his statements on the world stage.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 4 October 2013 10: 52
    +3
    my opinion is this: to unite Russia and Belarus and choose Lukashenko as president
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 4 October 2013 11: 09
    +4
    Quote: Garik
    Where did such knowledge about life in Belarus come from? From pro-Western media?
    As I managed to notice during periodic trips there and talking with Belarusians, you can’t name people there as serfs. And they live there no worse than in rotten Europe. I wouldn’t even put Ukraine next to the level, which I often have to visit.
    By the way, such a developed agricultural economy as in Belarus still needs to be searched ...
    Old Man is a solid and economic man, and without certain methods of order he cannot achieve order, and in this he is right.

    Toad strangles many that the Old Man did not let his newly-minted capitalist bullshit tear his country to shreds.
  • Rusi dolaze
    Rusi dolaze 4 October 2013 11: 14
    0
    Old Man well done !!! Obama sucks, drink yadu! Keep it up!
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 4 October 2013 11: 14
    +3
    I have an idea that A. Lukashenko said this not only from himself, but I think he also put Putin’s thought together with his own. Although I have neither illusions nor sympathies for Vladimir Vladimirovich. So to say, a blow of two forces, but one instrument.
  • Irtysh
    Irtysh 4 October 2013 11: 20
    +8
    But father is great. If we all together begin to regularly dip the "Lights of Democracy" into their own feces, do not be shy or lazy so that we understand our place.

    Just the other day, we shot dead an innocent black woman who came to Obama for child support. And after THIS Lukashenko is a dictator?
  • Ddhal
    Ddhal 4 October 2013 11: 21
    +3
    In my opinion, Lukashenko could become a very good prime minister of Russia.
    And dummies are the place in McDonald’s game room.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 4 October 2013 11: 28
    +3
    Quote: "And in general, Obama amazes me! Not so long ago black people in America were slaves ... Today they are already declaring some kind of exclusivity ..." The straightforwardness and frankness of But father is now a rare quality. Today even Russian politicians shamefully refer to even outright enemies of Russia as "partners." The floridness and camouflage of thoughts are alien to Lukashenko. What he thinks is what he says. And people respect him for that!
  • NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 4 October 2013 11: 40
    0
    Well done, I respect Lukashenko for honesty and truth. And that in Russia Obama is popularly called an African president, but he’s not just Negro. I’m not digesting Negroes, as I see their hands and are asked to take a whip or a whip. It's time V.V.P.
    TAKE ORDER IN RUSSIA or to unite the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, and A. Lukashenko to be elected president.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 4 October 2013 11: 46
    +4
    I think this whole trap is a trap of political correctness and law should not be condemned on the territory of the West, but in every possible way to support and contribute to its aggravation. It is necessary to continuously send welcoming telegrams to all congresses of tolerasts, congratulate on the successes, and angrily condemn any struggle against and oppression, again on the territory of democratic countries. While they are busy with such different things and the "struggle for rights" we need to strictly prohibit drug addiction and push "our" lovers of tolerance to move to countries of goodness, let them interfere with living there.
  • Know-nothing
    Know-nothing 4 October 2013 11: 50
    +2
    Something tells Obama that Lukashenko’s opinion is as important as Putin’s opinion of President Vanuatu.
  • tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 4 October 2013 11: 51
    +2
    How disgustingly and cunningly the "professor" led the discussion of the article into another topic.
    I wonder how the Old Man would call the "Professor" in this case?))) Any ideas?
  • HAM
    HAM 4 October 2013 11: 57
    0
    That's why he and the Old Man, to put all sorts of jerks in place.
  • Gendalf
    Gendalf 4 October 2013 12: 28
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: alebor
    A slave is a thing, a serf is a subject.

    Serfdom is also a thing. They sell it, they buy it, they lose it on cards, and by the way no one asks him.

    Quote: alebor
    Slaves in the army do not take

    Take to the army. And the serfs fled, in particular, fled to Siberia.

    Quote: alebor
    Pushkin wrote about the life of serfs:

    I also quote Russian classics about the slave life of serfs?
  • vahatak
    vahatak 4 October 2013 12: 29
    0
    One was hanged, the other was put on a stake, in Egypt there lies like a stump, a man suffers in a hospital.

    But the person understands that he is on the same list.
  • major071
    major071 4 October 2013 12: 35
    +7
    Our all veil, utter a bunch of beautiful words, so much so that you do not understand what they are talking about. And here, well done Lukashenko, said everything he thought. Briefly, beautifully and to the point. good
  • goody
    goody 4 October 2013 12: 46
    +1
    That’s whom Dad can be called !!!
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 4 October 2013 12: 48
    +2
    Lukashenko is a young man. I dug in a partisan detachment in the middle of Europe and partisan slowly here and there laughing