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Witness of the era. Oleg Poptsov: “In 90-s we made a madness, we made a revolution”

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Witness of the era. Oleg Poptsov: “In 90-s we made a madness, we made a revolution”Oleg Poptsov, the first head of the Rossiya channel created in 1990, once was a member of the inner circle of Yeltsin and Gaidar. He knows all the major milestones, facts and circumstances of that troubled time - the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of a new Russian state.


- Oleg Maksimovich, in the first post-Soviet years you were close with the highest authority of the country. How do you evaluate that period in the life of our state?

- Often used phrase - "hope dies last." What is she in my understanding? The man is very hard to say goodbye to hope. Unfulfilled hopes greatly hurt him. The 90 were years of just such unfulfilled hopes.

Those years were accompanied by a breakthrough in an imperious environment of an incredible number of non-professionals. And devoid of any moral, ethical and even aesthetic restrictions.

Many democrats of that time still remember my words, said after leaving the meeting of the I Congress of Deputies: “I have never seen such a large number of non-professionals gathered in one hall”.

They made a depressing impression. These people have never been in power. They did not have the skills, the skills of this business, no understanding of what laws are and how to write them.

My colleague on the Peasant Party, its leader, Yuri Chernichenko, had at one time argued with me: well, they used to be professionals, but they didn’t do a damn thing - they didn’t take off even a breakthrough. So let them, they say, now non-professionals will try!

- But then, long-time opponents will object to you, then democracy was established in the country ...

- Yeltsin was never a democrat, this is wrongly attributed to him. He was forced to join the democratic movement, for he really wanted to be a great power. As a person who understood Yeltsin very well, it was easy for me to understand all his “unpredictability”, fed by fantasies about Charles de Gaulle. It was the latter who was considered to be such an unpredictable president in the world, and Yeltsin enjoyed it very much in his time.

So about the democracy of Yeltsin ... He reluctantly went to this democratic front, starting with membership in the "Interregional Group". Sakharov died, and the Democrats urgently needed a new leader. Therefore, with some joy, they accepted into their ranks the disgraced, rebellious Yeltsin.

The same simply had no team. He could not rely on someone from Gorbachev’s entourage - in view of the serious contact with Gorbachev. And even mutual hostility, which passed into its extreme state - hatred.

There was practically no one to take with him from the capital's office - after, as one might say, he had defiantly betrayed him, the former Moscow party leader, the apparatus.

I was present at that “historical” party plenum of the 1987, where, in front of Gorbachev, Yeltsin publicly denounced this apparatus. All this was unbearable even for the general secretary to see, and he could not stand it, said irritably: “Enough!”

Your humble servant has closely acquainted you with the young reformers Gaidar, Burbulis and other Yeltsin. With Gaidar at the end of 80, we were tied up with work in the “green movement”, created largely thanks to the magazine “Rural Youth”, in which I was the chief editor.

Then one day Yeltsin, turning to me, asked: well, they say, how is this, Gaidar? I answered about the following: as a preacher, propagandist, popularizer of ideas is extremely talented. Formed, erudite, especially in economic matters. But as an organizer - zero.

“And now the moment came when the young reformers changed the previous Russian government of Silayev ...”
- Yeltsin then invited Gaidar to himself, talked with him and offered him the post of acting prime minister.
Upon his return from the Kremlin, he met me in his office with the following words: “Oleg, you know, now was with Boris Nikolayevich ... The conversation lasted 25 minutes. And he offered me the post of prime minister ... Oleg, it's not serious. "


So Yeltsin, leaning on these young reformers, began to build a "new Russia". By his character, he was absolutely Russian, with all, as they say in such cases, the attendant pros and cons.

But he didn’t have an understanding of economics at all, and he, as if spellbound, listened when Chubais and Gaidar spoke.

35-year-olds have reached the pinnacle of power, which cannot be allowed in Russia. After all, we have life experience for being in power - traditionally the defining criterion and, if you will, the motive. Russian man is so arranged.

In general, Yeltsin’s efforts in the field of personnel renewal were only enough to fill this federal-government "capacity".

Forces on personnel changes in the field is not left, there were still all those who led, managed in Soviet times. And their average age was not 35 or even 40 years, but at best 55. Naturally, the province grumbled: "Are we going to listen to these boys ?!"

That is why reforms were so hard. And this is why they did not have allies. But not only therefore, of course.

Of those who carried out these reforms, the most gifted was Anatoly Chubais. Strong organizer. But at the same time - neo-Bolshevik, professing the principle: "He who is not with us is against us." He and all his associates in the government were, in fact, managers, and the “management” of the whole country began with their efforts.

Well, what is a manager in our conditions? Specialist in sales organization. But after all, in order to organize the sale of something, it is necessary to produce this “something”. And the young reformers had nothing to do with the production.

Gaidar first appeared in the factory floor, when he began to act as prime minister. All these guys with PhDs who came from scientific laboratories did not have any knowledge of the Russian mentality at all. First of all, because of youth.

At one time, Vitaly Ignatenko told me: “You understand what's the matter: people with higher education came to power, but without secondary education.” All right

In December, at the Congress of People’s Deputies, 92 conducted rating votes on the premier’s candidacy. And when Yeltsin was asked sharp, impartial questions about his pet Gaidar, the president suddenly said: "But he's smart."

It was a terrible scene, because the hall burst out laughing. I then involuntarily thought: “God, where have I gone. Well, yes, Gaidar is really not stupid. But in the mouth of the president this is more than a naive assessment. Anyway, what to say: but look, what a beautiful tie he has. ”

I repeat, Yeltsin was fascinated by the speech of Gaidar and Chubais. He believed them. In the end, because of this blind faith, the economy of a gigantic country was destroyed. And the collapse of the economy, in turn, spawned widespread, total disbelief.

- Your relations with Yeltsin and Gaydarovtsy, apparently, began to deteriorate in the middle of 90-x. What caused these "stylistic differences"?

- Those that I just said - a significant difference in worldview. They were offended when I began to criticize them on RTR. They could not forgive me for this.

At one of the meetings with the press, Yeltsin asked me: “Why do you, my television, criticize me?” I then answered him: “Boris Nikolayevich, when the authorities make obvious mistakes, their assessment by the allies and opponents is the same. And the mistakes are really obvious. ”

Years later, I told Gaidar and his closest supporters: “Guys, understand, the energy of repentance in Russia is enormous energy. If you say: fellow citizens, we have made a lot of mistakes, we admit it, but believe in the sincerity of our ideas, give us a chance to embody our intentions - then people will look at you completely differently. ”

Before Yeltsin’s last address to the people, Yeltsin had a rating of 5 – 6%. But when he said, “Forgive me,” overnight, this rating went up to 28 – 30%. For a Russian person repentance is a great thing.

And what did Gaidar say about this? If, say, we admit our mistakes, then we will show weakness, the Communists will take advantage of this and come to power.

I tried to object to him: “This is not a weakness, Egor! On the contrary, you show strength. Communists will never come to power. They are bad politicians. Although you, frankly, the policy is very bad. Today you are cursing and cursing the Soviet government, but soon they will curse and curse you in the same way. ”

Recently I saw Chubais in the Posner program. They argued about the results of privatization. They brought a lot of all sorts of different arguments "for" and "against." And finally, Chubais could not stand it and said something like: “Come on, this is not the point. Unfair she was - that's the main problem! "

Wow, the man saw the light in two decades! Section, razul country and for once saw the light! Of course, this privatization was a cruel blow, a backlash. Its consequences have just led to the fact that the once proclaimed democracy collapsed.

Because democratic reforms merged with economic reforms, and the latter failed miserably. But, after all, the people do not divide and are absolutely not obliged to divide: where is democracy, and where is robber privatization. “Fuck you with your democracy!” Says the people. And he is right in his own way.

In 90, we made a frenzy, we made a revolution. After all, how does a revolution differ from evolution? The first completely neglects the past. Evolution is a relay race. And if private property was destroyed in 1917, then state property was destroyed in 90. The cases are very similar. Consequently, the results are almost the same.

Why do we live like this, why do we have little work? Our society has not stood the test of individualism.

It has always been collective. The Soviet system was based on collectivity. The Bolsheviks were by no means stupid when they appealed to conciliarism, to Minin and Pozharsky, the people's militia.

After all, this collectivity-catholicity is inherent in the Russian person organically. Therefore, the Bolsheviks won with the collective farms and with other undertakings. The fists were reputed to be the most capable business executives, but were programmed for capitalist individualism, and they were swept away.

“A little more than half a century later, they dared collectivity with collegiality ...”

- Yes it is. But everything is relative and everything has its price. Individualism at its best is the revelation of the possibilities of the individual. And the summation, the aggregate of the “revealed” personalities, in theory, should contribute to the breakthrough of society on the path of development.

But when it is not prepared for this, and every person lives according to the principle “my hut is on the edge, mine is the main thing,” everything in the state is derailed. Therefore, our capitalism is gangster, thieving, and has nothing to do with classical capitalism.

And at the same time, his advocates, like 20 years ago, continue the same song: private property is more efficient, more useful than state property, it fully justifies itself, gives impulses to development, and so on.

Nothing like this! With all its flaws, only state property has contributed to and promotes economic development in our country even now, and now it does.

“But what about America?” - ask. Well, in America, the state and society were built not twenty years, but “several” more.

In the US, there is a unifying idea, very simple and understandable to everyone: America is above all. You are driving through the American desert and see: in the middle of it is a small house and an American flag flying above it. This is the incarnated unifying idea.

We did not have such a stronghold, and everything collapsed.

Having destroyed the previous society, we parted ways with the idea of ​​uniting people. Disunity is incredible. Even the “irreconcilable opposition” of the former Democrats under the rule of the authorities is not able to unite, hopelessly getting sick of our homegrown individualism.

This factor, in my opinion, played the most crucial role in the transformation of our state in the 90-s.

- You touched the gangster nature of our early capitalism. How important is this aspect to the characteristics of that era?

- He is dominant, decisive. Primary capital accumulation is connected, as is well known, with the criminalization of society. With this simple thought, I somehow turned to Yeltsin. Was, if I'm not mistaken, 92-th year.

I suggested: we must immediately create a commission under the leadership of the president to combat corruption and criminality. He said that if we do not do this, the country will be on the verge of a catastrophe, because in the background of each political party there will be a criminal world.

So it happened. Why did the Bolsheviks take power? Because they formed their cells in the underground, which provided them with better organization. The criminals are all underground and organized brilliantly.

Democrats naively believed that democracy is their property. But democracy is a habitat, it belongs to everyone. And the best will always be able to take advantage of its opportunities the most organized.

It is useful to recall another mantra of young reformers: “Our support will be the middle class”. When Gaidar was told: “Egor, we have a middle class — these are teachers, doctors, engineers of the military-industrial complex and other industries,” he replied grimly and grimaced, “This is not the middle class, these are dependents. The middle class is a small business. ”

That's just the formation of a new class need a minimum of 10 – 15 years, and the creation of a criminal community - a maximum of 6 months.

- Today, sometimes the hosanna is sometimes sung by “free 90” ...

- Are you talking about the theses of Mr. Jurgens, neoliberalism, chatter about removing the state from managing the economy?

The crisis in this regard explained everything and showed. The Communists increased the rating because of this crisis. For it became clear to everyone that the withdrawal of the state from the economy leads to a catastrophe of the system. In the same America - everywhere state. It helped and helps private business.

By the way, what have we done this business? The owners of plants, factories and ships - what did they do? Immediately all the money brought abroad. And turned to the state for new money. State allocated. And they again transferred them abroad and placed them at interest. This is how gangster capitalism works in Russia.

It is therefore not surprising that, according to a sociological survey conducted by the RAS staff, only 9 percent of the country's population believes in the possibility of the country's development without state intervention in this development. The 91 percentage considers such elimination or withdrawal as erroneous.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 3 October 2013 13: 04 New
    +3
    Dermocrats, almost derailed the country! And Ukraine, that period of the Soviet Union did not teach anything !!!
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 3 October 2013 16: 02 New
      +8
      Quote: AVV
      Dermocrats, almost derailed the country! And Ukraine, that period of the Soviet Union did not teach anything !!!

      The whole history of the country was in the hands of one or two people .. If there were an officer who did not want collapse, or if he knew what would follow this whole thing ... History would go a different way. Of course, the subjunctive mood is a complicated thing, but it’s difficult to think of worse than the reign of the drunken nits and his mosquitoes.
      1. rinat1955
        rinat1955 3 October 2013 19: 06 New
        +5
        Ha ... there aren’t such officers, a month and a half ago the topic was dealt with about the GKChP, so in the comments a warrior blurted out, as I remember right now, here I’m a paratrooper, I’m crazy that I can defend my homeland without orders.
        You, modern warriors, special forces and others like them, to the Egyptian military as to the moon
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 3 October 2013 16: 25 New
      11
      One of the creators of the current oligarch-corruption Russia, Oleg Poptsov repented: "In the 90s, we allowed insanity, we made a revolution."
      As they say better late than never.
      Вот только как теперь исправить положение в государстве, как исправить последствия преступлений Ельцина, Гайдара, Чубайса и их подельников, как в частности, вернуться к "государственному управлению экономикой"?
      The crisis on this subject explained and showed everything. ... For it became clear to everyone that the removal of the state from the economy leads to a disaster for the system. (from article)

      And the current leaders of Russia, Putin and Medvedev, still sing the mantras of the young reformers, which the state owner is inefficient and must be replaced by a private, in all sectors of the economy and not only sing, but continue to sell state property in private hands, although 91% of the population consider this elimination or self-removal to be erroneous.
      1. mark7
        mark7 3 October 2013 19: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        That's just how now to fix the situation in the state,

        Unfortunately, our grandfathers could no longer fix millions of lives for indiscriminate sovereignty, so it will not work bloodlessly, but it’s a pity that all this EBN quarreled with a hunchback and climbed into a tank, I thought that the country should be managed like a collective farm in the Urals
        1. 225chay
          225chay 4 October 2013 08: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: mark7
          EBN had a fight with a hunchback and climbed onto a tank, I thought that the country should be controlled like a collective farm in the Urals

          This and even a small collective farmer could not lead, would have collapsed overnight. In essence, a destroyer!
      2. luka095
        luka095 4 October 2013 02: 16 New
        +3
        Непохоже это на покаяние. Его послушать, так он умные, пророческие советы Ельцину давал, а им не вняли... Поэтому ничего и не получилось с реформами. А послушали бы его, Попцова, так все и сложилось бы... И эти сказки рассказывает человек, который приложил много усилий для информационного обеспечения всех этих "реформ".
        Спасибо Андрею Ефремову за этот материал. Статье "плюс". Хотя можно было и поострее провести разговор с Попцовым. А то прямо на глазах, так сказать, переписывают историю...
        1. BBM
          BBM 4 October 2013 04: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: luka095
          Его послушать, так он умные, пророческие советы Ельцину давал, а им не вняли... Поэтому ничего и не получилось с реформами. А послушали бы его, Попцова, так все и сложилось бы... И эти сказки рассказывает человек, который приложил много усилий для информационного обеспечения всех этих "реформ

          100%. outright nonsense. Such articles do not belong on this site.
    3. Homo
      Homo 3 October 2013 17: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: AVV
      Dermocrats, almost derailed the country! And Ukraine, that period of the Soviet Union did not teach anything !!!

      The clever one, having seen the step on the rake, will understand everything, and the d.u.s.
    4. Airman
      Airman 3 October 2013 23: 37 New
      +4
      It was not we who made the revolution, but Muscovites who supported EBaNatik, and you can’t blame everything on the people, because they did not ask him, and ... they supported the referendum on dissolution of the USSR.
    5. 225chay
      225chay 4 October 2013 08: 08 New
      0
      Quote: AVV
      Dermocrats, almost derailed the country! And Ukraine, that period of the Soviet Union did not teach anything !!!

      Все перечисленные в этой статье "деятели" - это уничтожители страны...
      and what they understood or not really does not matter.
      По хорошему по отношению к ним должна быть использована уголовная статья "за измену Родине" и "развал государства" с расстрелом.
  2. riding
    riding 3 October 2013 15: 22 New
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    In Stalin's time, many 35–40 year olds came to power. And they did a good job, and they were directly responsible.
    Under Yeltsin, it was not that Gaidar was young, but a high percentage of people in power who betrayed both the people and the country. And Yeltsin will remain a villain in history.
    1. Witch
      Witch 3 October 2013 15: 48 New
      +4
      I can not agree with you in full.
      Ключевое в Вашем мнение - "и ответственность несли прямую". Все беды, что государство самоустранилось и не наказывает виновных. Безнаказанность выводит все новый, более широкий виток и так до бесконечности.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 3 October 2013 16: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Witch
        . Impunity brings an ever new, wider round and so on to infinity.

        Есть хорошее высказывание "Безнаказанность порождает беззаконие " Не помню, кому принадлежит, но то что сотворили со страной, характеризует точно.
    2. Witch
      Witch 3 October 2013 15: 58 New
      0
      I can not agree with you in full.
      Ключевое в Вашем мнение - "и ответственность несли прямую". Все беды, что государство самоустранилось и не наказывает виновных. Безнаказанность выводит все новый, более широкий виток и так до бесконечности.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 3 October 2013 15: 23 New
    +8
    У меня до сих пор две "Волги", на одной езжу, а другая в запасе, в гараже. Спасибо Чубайсу good
    1. DJEIN8
      DJEIN8 3 October 2013 20: 45 New
      +1
      Uncle Lee 15:23
      It is a pity that there is no way to measure the number of ... ESTONIES ... and the like
      оному, благодарных Чубайсам и ему подобным, за наличие двух "Волг" в гараже и
      to the material assets that had fallen to them with the complete loss of HUMAN CONTENT.
      .....
    2. Airman
      Airman 3 October 2013 23: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      У меня до сих пор две "Волги", на одной езжу, а другая в запасе, в гараже. Спасибо Чубайсу good

      Владимир, ваш "юмор" явно не поняли. У меня тоже 3 Волги, но пока, как реликвия, лежат в ящике. А у родителей осталась куча облигаций займов СССР, так и не погашенных.
  4. Denga
    Denga 3 October 2013 15: 34 New
    +8
    Ну надо же, всего пару десятилетий потребовалось взрослому человеку, что бы "прозреть"
    1. DJEIN8
      DJEIN8 3 October 2013 20: 25 New
      +4
      Denja 15:34
      Who do you call a man, one of the scum who brewed all this abomination
      under no matter what name ... ???
      This vile, inhuman abomination is not and will not be forgiveness, such no time
      ago ... Let him shut up his repentance you know where .........
      To mutilate the lives of tens of millions, and after that still open your pass.
      I introduced this drunk, who was thinking only about himself, to Gaidar, thereby starting
      this is nothing ... and now .....
      I do not know who created MANKIND, but he did not do the most important thing ....
      So that those whom he tried to make ICE with the absence of HUMAN
      QUALITIES would die, as in the absence of a HEART ........
      ONLY with SUCH DEPENDENCE one could hope for ... LIFE on Earth and not
      to the horror that the planet and all the rest on it were doomed to
      in stock...
  5. avt
    avt 3 October 2013 15: 36 New
    10
    request Ну и х...ли ! Чего этот несостоявшийся ,,инженер человеческих душ" вылез? Опять умы будоражить и жечь сердца глаголом захотел ?? Вот чутка покаяться ,чубайсов ,своих же тогда подельников,слегонца попинать и с ,,чистой" совестью снова строить патриотические ряды на борьбу за светлое будущее ??? Как же эти швондеры-интеллигенты уже достали am Мессии хреновы ,только и могут песни петь сыто рыгая с обжорства про то что -,,проходят суровые годы в борьбе за свободу страны ,за ними другие приходят ,они будут тоже трудны".
  6. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 3 October 2013 15: 38 New
    0
    muddy time was ..
    1. sub307
      sub307 3 October 2013 15: 42 New
      +3
      Да и сей день "видимости" маловато прибавилось.
  7. Jarilo
    Jarilo 3 October 2013 15: 51 New
    +3
    This word is so long in use that we do not give it the meaning that was originally:
    Democracy (dr. Greek δημοκρατία - “power of the people”, from δῆμος - “people” and κράτος - “power”).
    In market conditions, when everything is sold and bought, the real power of those who have concentrated capital. In the time of Yeltsin, these were oligarchs, i.e. power of the oligarchs - oligocracy. Now the bureaucracy has capital, i.e. Bureaucracy. And for the people, shows with producers - bureaucrats and directors - watered by technologists.
    1. polly
      polly 3 October 2013 16: 01 New
      +4
      Hence the simple and understandable definition of democracy: democracy is not the power of the people, democracy is when the democrats are in power! smile
      1. Jarilo
        Jarilo 3 October 2013 16: 08 New
        +2
        Sovereigns of the people?
      2. Airman
        Airman 3 October 2013 23: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: polly
        Hence the simple and understandable definition of democracy: democracy is not the power of the people, democracy is when the democrats are in power! smile

        The last word should be written like that - DEMOKR.ATY.
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 3 October 2013 16: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Jarilo
      This word is so long in use that we do not give it the meaning that was originally

      Exactly cunning, this concept is Democracy. People in Rome were divided into DEMOS and OHLOS. DEMOS-free Citizens who have the right to elect and be elected, as well as to have weapons. OHLOS- (for example, ancient Rome) slaves, not free people, without the right to vote, without the right to have and bear arms. To choose us (ordinary, free Citizens, we have the right), and to be elected .., a big question. We do not have the right to carry weapons. For these two signs, we not DEMOS, but ... So it turns out that we have OCHLOCRACY (Almost a joke).
  8. patriot2
    patriot2 3 October 2013 15: 52 New
    +3
    Слышал ещё одного "крупного экономиста", так тот изрёк, что в России национальных богатств (недра, леса и заводы? с фабриками?) ещё на 50 лет хватит!?
    Here, squanders inherited from mother nature and that created by generations ...
    Where is the real ruler of Russia ???
  9. olegst
    olegst 3 October 2013 15: 52 New
    +4
    "In the 90s, we allowed insanity, we made a revolution," the emphasis is not true, the object and subject were rearranged: In the 90s, we committed insanity and made a revolution. " But essentially all is true. The homeland should give an assessment to its heroes and scoundrels, at least posthumously, placing them on opposite sides.
  10. olegst
    olegst 3 October 2013 15: 52 New
    0
    "In the 90s, we allowed insanity, we made a revolution," the emphasis is not true, the object and subject were rearranged: In the 90s, we committed insanity and made a revolution. " But essentially all is true. The homeland should give an assessment to its heroes and scoundrels, at least posthumously, placing them on opposite sides.
  11. Strashila
    Strashila 3 October 2013 15: 57 New
    11
    Yes, not the revolution you committed, but treason.
  12. nemec55
    nemec55 3 October 2013 16: 01 New
    +2
    In short, an article about creeping reptiles and minus it not for the content but for these parasites.
  13. polly
    polly 3 October 2013 16: 03 New
    +4
    Oh, weathervanes, you political weathervanes! Now it’s easy to disown alcoholics, it’s even profitable, but when, during the euphoria of the reign of the beautiful-faced EBN, Goryacheva opposed her, because she almost ate her!
    1. polly
      polly 3 October 2013 16: 38 New
      +2
      Многие,как и господин Попцов, сейчас оказывается, были "несогласными", а когда на волне были - то все о,кей, потому и имя им - флюгера!А я на своей шкуре, как говорится,испытала,всенародную любовь таких непонимающих, сначала, меня чуть не избили в очереди у магазина, за то только, что горластым тетка, поклонницам ЕБН, сказала :" А вы знаете, что такое рыночная экономика?А вы его предвыборную платформу читали?" А потом,когда петух в зад клюнул, одна же из этих пассионарий звала меня:"Пойдемте на митинг против Ельцина и правительства!" fool
      My answer was easy to predict! Now everyone understood everything, they were mistaken, and it’s true not to be hanged by the deceived ... It would be better, but my country would stand!
      1. dmb
        dmb 3 October 2013 20: 02 New
        +4
        Самое главное, что "кающийся" Попцов, вовсе не собирается возвращать в казну все то, что он стырил с помощью своих тогдашних благодетелей. Так, что все его покаяния делаются на тот случай, если завтра все таки ему и прочей швали вроде Бурбулиса, Шумейко, Рыбкина, Шахрая припомнят все то. что они сделали со страной.
      2. BBM
        BBM 4 October 2013 04: 57 New
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        By the way, the majority, now online, are the same weathervanes. look for fashion you know. Where the wind has changed there too.
  14. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 October 2013 16: 11 New
    +3
    наломали,накосячили,а теперь отмазываются-это не я,я правильно говорил,но меня не послушали. ладно,современники о этих "демократах" своё мнение составили,думаю,и суд истории к ним не будет благосклонен.
    my personal opinion is scoundrels and cowards.
    1. corn
      corn 4 October 2013 03: 31 New
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      "наломали,накосячили"
      And we all stood aside.
      Do not take personally to your account, I do not know.
      Sincerely.
    2. 225chay
      225chay 4 October 2013 08: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      the opinion was, I think, and the court of history will not be favorable to them.
      my personal opinion is scoundrels and cowards.

      Scum and villains - this is the softest thing that you can stick to them. Traitors are traitors, enemies of the Russian people!
  15. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 3 October 2013 16: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Strashila
    Yes, not the revolution you committed, but treason.

    I completely agree. Those who did not think about their homeland came to power, but thought about how to grab as much as possible and hold on to power in order to still snatch.
  16. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 3 October 2013 16: 12 New
    +2
    from the Don.
    Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair!
  17. avt
    avt 3 October 2013 16: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: borisjdin1957
    Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair!

    Да не плачет он ! Ему страсть как охота обратно на телевидение рулить ! Ему же с третей кнопки под зад коленом дали ,он с расстройства ,,Хроники времен царя Бориса" написал ,прозрел стал быть laughing And now he’s driving a sting - but how lucky, Shahrai has settled down near Naryshkin, and this one also wants to steer.
  18. Russ69
    Russ69 3 October 2013 16: 39 New
    +3
    They began to consider themselves guilty of something, but the desire to steer further did not diminish nifig. Apparently they feel a little guilty about themselves, I still want to ...
  19. Very old
    Very old 3 October 2013 16: 50 New
    +3
    I'll start in order:
    1."Ельцин никогда не был демократом"- Был.Однажды приезжал к нам, сидя на видном месте, стучал кулаком по столу:Я научу вас коммунизм любить, трам-тарарам
    2."Чубайс-необольшевик"
    I call such hoopoes (for myself): DEMO Bolshevik, they have, you see the principle: who is not with us, etc.
    3.Автор: "суть- Гайдары и Чубайсы разрушители экономики гигантской страны" Вот в этом утверждении автора - и соль правды,и наша горечь
    4.Автор: "прозрел Чубайс..." Уважаемый автор, а Вы давно заглядывали в его бесстыжие глаза? А Саяно-Шушенская на чьей совести? Волга всегда была одна на всех.Волга-матушка.Нам по две ни к чему


    5."Бандитский характер нашего раннего капитализма..."
    In our country (sorry, in the state is not the same thing) it will always be like that. There are no laws. Those that are, are not executed, because there are laws for some categories of citizens, there are for others. And then even zilch
    Всё дальше в лес, всё больше дров. "Вы лучше лес рубите на гробы..."
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 October 2013 17: 16 New
    +3
    The crimes of the Yeltsin team will be rightly condemned by history. This is unconditional. What Chubais, Gaidar and the company did to the Russian people will be condemned at their true worth. But this is not easier for the people. Брошенный в болото реформ молодыми "реформаторами", народ до сих пор сидит в этом болоте. It is surprising that after so many years of the destruction of the Russian economy, Chubais is once again allowed in state funds, squandering them without creating anything worthwhile! We poor Russians ...
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 3 October 2013 19: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      It is surprising that after so many years of the destruction of the Russian economy, Chubais is once again allowed in state funds, squandering them without creating anything worthwhile! We poor Russians ...
  21. Alex66
    Alex66 3 October 2013 17: 17 New
    +1
    “Guys, understand, the energy of repentance in Russia is a tremendous energy. If you say: fellow citizens, we have made many mistakes, admit it, but believe in the sincerity of our ideas, give us a chance to realize our ideas, then people will look at you completely differently. ”
    If Putin had repented (This trick would not work with DAMA) and would have taken several correct steps, which were written about at the forum, his rating would have taken off and the people would have followed him.
  22. Altona
    Altona 3 October 2013 18: 04 New
    +3
    Yeltsin, of course, was a great charisma, but he did not personify the state, there was no sovereignty in his actions, current sovereignty also does not ... So, Putin skips something, and the fact that his opponents in the West do not catch mice as politicians and he has some Soviet school ... Only Stalin was a full-fledged monarch, he personified the state completely and completely, which is why he has so many fans and will have them for another 100 years to come ... Stalin was not a professional either, but he grew up , constantly improved, worked not only with the retinue, but almost with the lower classes, and did not consider it shameful to communicate with anyone on the matter ... These are the features that people notice ...
  23. alekseyal
    alekseyal 3 October 2013 18: 49 New
    +4
    Yeltsin in his quest for power was the destroyer of the USSR. The Americans just used it, he was a puppet in the hands of the United States. Although he sometimes did squiggles (March-throw to Pristina).
    Unlike him, Gorbachev was not just a traitor, he was a recruited US agent. They led him from his youth, clearing his way to power.
    Gorbachev simply played a giveaway with Yeltsin, the play played by American directors in August 1991 ended in the death of the USSR.
    Gorbachev must be tried for treason. But the fifth column and the American agents in power still do not allow this to be done.
    About the trial of Gorbachev.
    http://nstarikov.ru/blog/29882
    1. konvalval
      konvalval 3 October 2013 22: 54 New
      0
      That's right for this he was awarded the Nobel Prize, and the EBN has nothing to do with the march-throw to Pristina.
  24. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 3 October 2013 18: 51 New
    +5
    Надо поправить Попцова. Они соверщили не революцию, а контреволюцию,которая "готовилась" со дня вступления Горбачева во власть. Создавался искусственно дефицит во всем.В магазинах с каждым годом все пустынней, зато на свалках в лесу(сам видел) тушонка, зеленая копченная колбаса и другие продукты. Склады затоварены, продукты портятся, в город развозит одна-две машины, очереди на все, даже на то что чуть ранее было в изобилии. Бездействие властей почти на всех уровнях приводило народ к искусственной нищете при наличии денег, особенно в конце восьмидесятых. Сплошная говорильня Горбачева и не умение руководить(возможно прямое разрушение) приводило к катастрофам(Чернобль, взрыв поездов с детьми, гибель теплоходов) В народе перестройку называли "катастройкой". "Враждебные" или по глупости враждебные события в Грузии, Азербайджане, Литве оттолкнули республики из Союза. Во внешней политике сдавались союзники и началось заигрывание с нашими потенциальными противниками ( в угоду США "резались" самые современные ракеты и другое оружие. Такая власть постепенно стала чужой для народа. А когда напрямую пришел в Москву путч, защищать такую власть оказалось почти некому, а кто выступил на защиту тех просто расстреляли снайперы с высоток и другие боевики. Армия тоже не выступила за исключением некоторых подонков,( с которыми Гайдар после путча срочно расплатился) правда некоторых все-таки нашел справедливый и бесславный конец в Чечне.
    Although you, to be honest, politicians are very bad. Today you are reproaching and cursing the Soviet regime, but soon they will curse and curse you in the same way.

    Правильно сказано в статье о "младореформаторах" они не только не понимали что делали, но и сознательно разрушали страну вместе с хроническим алкоголиком ЕБН, отбрасывая страну ради своего самолюбия в "каменный век". Некоторые еще до сих пор "реформируют", разрушая энергетику и нанотехнологии.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 4 October 2013 08: 36 New
      0
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      Artificially created a deficit in everything. In stores, every year everything is deserted, but at dumps in the forest (I saw it myself), carcass, green smoked sausage and other products. Warehouses are overstocked, products are spoiled, one or two cars are being delivered to the city, lines for everything, even for what was a little earlier


      Sabotage, economic sabotage ...
  25. bubla5
    bubla5 3 October 2013 19: 26 New
    +1
    You can say one-Yeltsin prostitutes
    1. mark7
      mark7 3 October 2013 19: 55 New
      0
      Quote: bubla5
      You can say one-Yeltsin prostitutes

      Difficult to put it more accurately +++
  26. alone
    alone 3 October 2013 19: 42 New
    +2
    Those years were accompanied by a breakthrough in an imperious environment of an incredible number of non-professionals. And devoid of any moral, ethical and even aesthetic restrictions.


    and why is this gentleman talking about it now? what prevented him from saying this then?

    Your humble servant has closely acquainted you with the young reformers Gaidar, Burbulis and other Yeltsin. With Gaidar at the end of 80, we were tied up with work in the “green movement”, created largely thanks to the magazine “Rural Youth”, in which I was the chief editor.


    everything turns out interestingly! he himself brought these ignoramuses with EBN-e. and now he is still outraged that there were non-professionals in power at that time.
  27. olviko
    olviko 3 October 2013 19: 55 New
    +4
    " Потому и капитализм наш – бандитский, вороватый, никакого отношения к классическому капитализму не имеющий."

    Сдается мне лукавит Попцов , не зато боролся , теперь оправдывается . Где он видел не бандитский капитализм ? может в США ? Так это ложь . Американский , как впрочем и любой другой , капитализм позволяет унизительно низкие заработки одних за счет диких, несоразмерных ни с каким здравым смыслом доходов других, и эти доходы никак не объясняются их вкладом в общее дело, а зависят только от места богатеев на лестнице власти. Они сами себе устанавливают эти доходы. Чем не грабеж в чистом виде ! А как эти чистые капиталисты грабили Россию , что во время Гражданской войны , что в 90е годы . Вот откровение " друга " ,Билла ." Клинтон на комитете начальников штабов: "Я поздравляю вас с тем, что в лице России мы получили сырьевой придаток, не разрушенное атомом государство, которое было бы нелегко создавать. В этом огромные заслуги Ельцина, за четыре года его власти мы и наши союзники получили различного стратегического сырья на 15 млрд. долларов, сотни тонн золота, драгоценных камней и т. д. Под несуществующие проекты нам проданы за ничтожно малые суммы свыше 20 тыс. тонн меди, почти 50 тыс. тонн алюминия, 2 тыс. тонн цезия, бериллия, стронция и т. д. Наша задача совместно с Кремлем всячески стараться не допускать к власти коммунистов. При помощи наших друзей создать такие предпосылки, чтобы в парламентской гонке были поставлены все мыслимые и немыслимые препоны для левых партий. Особое внимание уделить президентским выборам. Нынешнее руководство страны нас устраивает во всех отношениях... Обеспечив занятие Ельциным поста президента на второй срок, мы тем самым создадим полигон, с которого уже никогда не уйдем".
    Oleg Poptsov, the first director of the Rossiya television channel, created in 1990, once belonged to the inner circle of Yeltsin and Gaidar. I think there are few people in Russia who are ready to give a hand to one or the other, whether they are alive. Well, you can congratulate Poptsov and people like him in a very decent company. .
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 3 October 2013 22: 35 New
      0
      Вероятно под бандитским капитализмом Попцов имеет ввиду криминальный.Еще в начале 90-х вышла серия докфильмов Говорухина "криминальная Россия",в которой он предупреждал,что Россия полностью погружается в криминал.
  28. VadimSt
    VadimSt 3 October 2013 20: 57 New
    -1
    + Indeed, the article of repentance, although it was late for 20 years!
  29. pensioner
    pensioner 3 October 2013 22: 40 New
    +2
    Статью читать не стал. Меня от одного вида этих кукловодов тошнит. Умник фу ев. Как я мог в те времена быть сторонником "демократизации" fool ! How I was blind !! fool fool Choke this popsev into the lungs if you happen to meet him. am So omit the country! When we disentangle ...
  30. KOH
    KOH 4 October 2013 05: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Povshnik
    It was not we who made the revolution, but Muscovites who supported EBaNatik, and you can’t blame everything on the people, because they did not ask him, and ... they supported the referendum on dissolution of the USSR.


    Полностью поддерживаю!!!Нас кто спросил? Мы это "шоу" по телевизору наблюдали,как кучка е...натиков, во главе с главным Е...натиком,рушат страну,если бы те же москвичи знали что за этим последует, мне кажется они бы его под этот же танк и положили...
  31. koksalek
    koksalek 4 October 2013 07: 48 New
    0
    All of them individually taken and speak beautifully and do everything exceptionally correctly, it’s all the people’s fault, he ruined the country, he got loans to pocket them, he transferred all the money over the hill and there he arranged a second homeland for himself and his relatives. And these high-ranking officials have nothing to do with it, they say that they are all their own like us!