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The global crisis has put the Russian elite on the brink of a split

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The struggle between the national and comprador bourgeoisie intensifies


In connection with the anniversary of the events of September-October 1993, I would like to say a few words about what I see, so to speak, the fundamental problems of the current moment in stories countries, and why 1917 events of the year are extremely relevant to us today.

The February 1917 revolution of the year was not just an act of annihilating the monarchy, that is, a bourgeois revolution. According to its results, the so-called comprador bourgeoisie came to power in a country that was the former Russian Empire (by the way, what was the name of it in 1917 year? I suddenly realized that I don’t remember). The essence of its policy (both internal and external legitimization) is that it is engaged in the export of capital, embeds the country into the international division of labor in the position of a raw materials appendage and relies on external forces within the framework of political struggle within the country.

It should be noted that since the middle of the 19th century, there was a struggle between the national bourgeoisie and the comprador in the country, with the entire imperial "family" acting on the second side, understood as widely as the ruling class of the empire, relying precisely on the figure of the monarch. Not surprisingly, the national bourgeoisie insisted on the abolition of the monarchy, or at least at the end of the omnipotence of the "family", that is, the "grand dukes", and this was actively supported by the officer corps. It was the latter that actually overthrew Nicholas II, but the national bourgeoisie could not form a normal power.

The Provisional Government turned out to be an instrument of the comprador bourgeoisie. Studying the reasons for such a development is not my goal today, but the fact that they say that is obvious. In any case, the national bourgeoisie began to prepare a counter-coup, the main coordinator of which was the General Staff. And, apparently, as one of the main tools of this coup was the Bolshevik Party, which in the summer of 1917 was blamed for this quite often. Note that the ideas that the Bolsheviks are agents of the German General Staff appeared in a public field just at this time, and they seem to me to be very unconvincing, given the role of the Bonch-Bruyevich brothers, the eldest of whom was one of the leaders of the army (and time is her counterintelligence), and the youngest is with Lenin’s right hand.

What would have ended this counter-revolution, if it were not for the Civil War, is not obvious. But the Civil War, started just by the comprador part of the elite of the Russian Empire, which is clearly seen from the fact that it was they who brought the interventionists into the country (and one of their leaders, Kolchak, generally formally was in the service of Great Britain), fundamentally changed the balance of forces in favor of most extreme supporters of the Marxist methods of transforming reality.

And now look at the situation of the last 20 years. In 1991, the comprador bourgeoisie came to power in the country. More precisely, the bourgeoisie was not yet, but of the two main factions in the CPSU, the one that insisted on building Western capitalism won. Under his leadership, of course. The main split occurred on the issue of privatization: Gaidar, Chubais and their followers were going to build the comprador bourgeoisie as a result of privatization, which they succeeded in, and their opponents, including those who wanted to create and develop the national bourgeoisie based on the USSR industrial potential , concentrated around the Supreme Council.

The victory, in contrast to the 1917 of the year, as we see, went to the comprador circles, which predetermined the collapse of the Russian economy in the 90-2000-s. In particular, the destruction of all those structures that could become a stronghold of the national bourgeoisie, as it was in 1917 year, including the army and large-scale complex production. However, the elite that has emerged over these 20 years found itself in a difficult situation when the global crisis began.

Its scale was so great that the generalized West simply ignored the interests of local, including Russian, elites, and they realized that they would quickly be raskulat if they could not hide behind the political power of a state that was rapidly weakening. And after the “Strauss-Kahn case”, another remarkable event occurred - the international financial elite itself, which the comprador bourgeoisie of the comprador of Russia had been oriented to, was divided into factions, with the result that the “old” comprador group (which can be called “family-liberal” ) there was an alternative, which circumstances began to push on the path of protecting national interests.

This awareness is far from complete, so the behavior of the “patriotic” elites is still very, very ambivalent and sometimes not quite adequate. However, objective circumstances lead us back to the agenda that was characteristic of the fall of 1917 and 1993. I repeat once again: this agenda is completely objective, and all participants in the process, whether they like it or not, must decide on it. Moreover, external circumstances put a lot of pressure on them: out of several factions of the world financial elite that were formed after the 2011 year, there is only one place.

The above-described approach to intra-elite conflicts in Russia allows them to be structured somewhat and even make some predictions. Not global, because who wins is not very clear, but local ones. In particular, our predictions about who will take which position in the case of Uralkali, made just on the basis of the above analysis, turned out to be quite adequate. But the most important thing is that the understanding of the division that the country has faced will allow many participants in the process, who, due to the distortion of the picture for the direct participants, sometimes find it difficult to make the right choice and draw the necessary conclusions. Anyway, I hope so.
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  1. New Russia
    New Russia 3 October 2013 15: 14
    +5
    "This awareness is still far from complete, so the behavior of the" patriotic "elites is still very, very ambiguous and sometimes not entirely adequate." Finally, they began to put the patriotic in quotes :) If these "patriots" were not satisfied with the situation, they would have kicked out the liberals in 2007, and everyone would have supported them.
    Tell someone how to embed a video :)
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 3 October 2013 15: 18
      -3
      Want to take revenge for yesterday?
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 3 October 2013 15: 26
        0
        And I lost yesterday? :) I just went to sleep :) Yes, and we will argue endlessly, because my worldview is justified and not taken from the ceiling (information) :)
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 3 October 2013 15: 28
          -1
          Ie it is not justified for me?
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 3 October 2013 15: 33
            +5
            Justified :) But you only see the good, the bad does not exist for you, you always explain to yourself that everything that’s not being done is all for the better :) You don’t know how to insert a video?
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 3 October 2013 15: 34
              -1
              Sorry but no. Don’t think it’s not because of the confort.
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 3 October 2013 18: 59
              +1
              Quote: New Russia
              Justified :) But you see only the good

              Not - he sees the NORM and gives it as above the norm, as a significant plus - trying to balance the negative not with the positive, but with the norm laughing
      2. Airman
        Airman 3 October 2013 23: 13
        +7
        We do not have any elite, there is a handful of people, by force of circumstances and external forces, who gained power in the country. And therefore, these nouveau riches rob the country without hesitation, hoping after the "cataclysm" to fall over the hill.
    2. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 3 October 2013 15: 30
      +6
      Quote: New Russia
      Finally, the patriotic began to be put in quotation marks :) If these "patriots" were not satisfied with the situation, they would have kicked out the liberals back in 2007, and everyone would have supported them.
      even without the definition of "patriotic" - this is a bunch of Satanists and traitors, it is difficult to call the elite.
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        1. Yura
          Yura 3 October 2013 20: 08
          +5
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          The elite is quintessence ...

          ELITE is our BEST, now we continue the best thief, the best gangster, the best huckster ......?!
          1. Airman
            Airman 4 October 2013 01: 20
            +3
            Quote: Jura
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            The elite is quintessence ...

            ELITE is our BEST, now we continue the best thief, the best gangster, the best huckster ......?!

            You can continue: Vasilieva - the best litter, Chubais - the best nanoprivatizator, DAM - continue on your own.
    3. matross
      matross 3 October 2013 15: 55
      +1
      Quote: New Russia
      If these "patriots" were not satisfied with the situation, they would have kicked out the liberals back in 2007

      The situation changed radically after the speech of Strauss-Kahn at the meeting of the IMF and the World Bank on 3 on April 2011. What does 2007 have to do with the year ??
      And they didn’t really read the article, just to be the first to comment, and you don’t own the equipment. negative
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 3 October 2013 16: 19
        +1
        I didn’t set a minus for you :)
        1. matross
          matross 3 October 2013 16: 53
          -1
          I'm happy. And I'm sorry, I didn’t immediately understand your gender. I would not argue. hi
  2. Volkolak
    Volkolak 3 October 2013 15: 22
    +8
    The author somehow missed the role of the Jews in the October coup, the Red Terror, the collapse of the Russian Empire. And the role of Jewish oligarchs in the collapse of the USSR, plundering national wealth, inciting ethnic conflicts in the territory of the former union. The very phrase "Russian elite" is ridiculous. Although in principle it is true, it is the Russian elite. The RUSSIAN elite is something completely different, it is patriotism, spirituality, honor, self-sacrifice, patronage.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 3 October 2013 16: 19
      +2
      Here, here. 1000 ++++++++ ... !!!
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 3 October 2013 17: 25
      +5
      Quote: VOLKOLAK
      The very phrase "Russian elite" is ridiculous.

      Funny and disgusting, the majority, with boorish behavior and a complete lack of the slightest education. Having got out of the swamp in the post-perestroika period, grabbing and stealing dough, these creatures suddenly became an elite. Mom dear! After all, they run around "abroad", and their behavior forms an opinion about all the people. They belong somewhere in a special settlement, on the outskirts of Mukhosr ... in the province, let them gnaw each other there. am
      1. Alexander_
        Alexander_ 3 October 2013 19: 34
        +3
        Who needs it, this "elite". Common thieves, helminths are not the elite. The only terrible punishment for them is to live on one salary. Elite can only be called honestly performing their creative work. But for some reason, the power allows the "elite" to steal immeasurably, and safely depart with the stolen goods to England.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 3 October 2013 20: 04
          +1
          Quote: Alexander_
          Common thieves

          Agree
          Quote: Alexander_
          helminths it

          And with this, it’s not quite, in terms of the degree of harm done, they are closer to the plague.
      2. Airman
        Airman 4 October 2013 01: 55
        +2
        Quote: novobranets
        Quote: VOLKOLAK
        The very phrase "Russian elite" is ridiculous.

        Funny and disgusting, the majority, with boorish behavior and a complete lack of the slightest education. Having got out of the swamp in the post-perestroika period, grabbing and stealing dough, these creatures suddenly became an elite. Mom dear! After all, they run around "abroad", and their behavior forms an opinion about all the people. They belong somewhere in a special settlement, on the outskirts of Mukhosr ... in the province, let them gnaw each other there. am

        Well, why so close, Kolyma just right.
    3. Samy
      Samy 4 October 2013 04: 21
      -1
      If there is no water in the tap .... Listen, we got it with the Jews. If they have such a "huge and destructive" influence, then the Russians are in it - complete zero. Isn't it offensive for yourself?
  3. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 October 2013 15: 22
    10
    And after the “Strauss-Kahn affair” another remarkable event occurred - the international financial elite itself was divided into factions, which the Russian comprador bourgeoisie had previously been oriented to, as a result of which the “old” comprador group (which can conditionally be called the “liberal-family” ) an alternative appeared, which circumstances began to push towards the protection of national interests.

    The Russian proverb is right: "There was no happiness, but misfortune helped," as well as Field Marshal Christopher Antonovich Munnich (Count Burchard Christoph von Munnich), who said: "Russia is ruled directly by God. Otherwise, it is impossible to imagine how this state is still exists". All of this is encouraging. smile
    GOD BLESS RUSSIA!
  4. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 3 October 2013 15: 24
    15
    Russian "elites" - who are they, what are they? Officials, oligarchs, political slut, a glamorous party and other snickering trash? We need to change them. Send into oblivion. Doctors, scientists, teachers, officers, simply educated, thinking, highly morally and spiritually developed people - everyone for whom the word Motherland is not an empty phrase, for whom spiritual values ​​stand above material ones, people who need to be equal, those who are proud of it, and does not hesitate because of the low "status" - which for some reason has become so important for the majority. Not a rich inner world, but precisely the status made it decisive for joining the so-called "elite", and this is abnormal and contrary to common sense. Glamor generally needs to be equated with Satanism. These pseudo elites need to be flushed down the toilet, you cannot build a "new world" with them, they will suddenly "correct", "see" and do what is needed for the country, what if? No, it's over. Still for us, they will suddenly "see"? Of course not. There is only one way - "cleansing" and replacement of pseudo elites with real ones.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 3 October 2013 15: 34
      +9
      "Doctors, scientists, teachers, officers, simply educated, thinking, highly morally and spiritually developed people - everyone for whom the word Motherland is not an empty phrase, for whom spiritual values ​​stand above material ones, people who need to be equal, those who are proud of it, and does not hesitate because of the low "status" - which for some reason has become so important for the majority. " !!!!! +
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 3 October 2013 15: 51
      0
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      ... There is only one way - "cleansing" and replacement of pseudo elites with real ones.

      Do you have an alternative elite in the bosom with clean hands, warm hearts and bright thoughts? Is she a political force?
      Probably not. So? And hto will demolish, clean? An extraordinary special troika?
      Alas, we have one way. Slow systematic selection "from above".
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 3 October 2013 16: 17
        +4
        Quote: BigRiver
        Do you have an alternative elite in the bosom with clean hands, warm hearts and bright thoughts?

        Yes, and you have the same, look carefully around. The main value of this country is its people, and among them there are many worthy, even despite the troubled times that Russia is going through now.

        Is she a political force?
        No, of course, but must? So we will never come to anything - the fall will continue.

        And hto will be demolished, stripped?
        - Putin must and he has someone to call for help, the country is big. And whether he can or not - this is a question to his integrity, personal courage, independence, independence (the ability to get out of control). And there is no other way, neither for Putin, nor for the country — or another independent person is needed who does not represent anyone's interests other than the interests of the people. There would be a desire - you can find.
        Alas, we have one way. Slow systematic selection "from above".
        - again? !!
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 3 October 2013 16: 37
          0
          [quote = Ruslan_F38]
          Yes, and you have the same, look carefully around. The main value of this country is its people, and among them there are many worthy,
          [/ quote] - again?!![/ Quote]
          I don’t have people around me - professionals with experience in managing large business entities. Professionals who would know Russia well in all its diversity, its history, its peoples, clearly representing Russia's mission in the world, etc., etc.
          "Again" you suggest! So it was in February and November 1917, it was so at the turn of the late 80s - early 90s. Total change of team with all the consequences for the country.
        2. Bigriver
          Bigriver 3 October 2013 16: 39
          -1
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          Yes, and you have the same, look carefully around.
          ...- again?!!

          I don’t have people around me - professionals with experience in managing large business entities. Professionals who would know Russia well in all its diversity, its history, its peoples, clearly representing Russia's mission in the world, etc., etc.
          "Again" you suggest! So it was in February and November 1917, it was so at the turn of the late 80s - early 90s. Total change of team with all the consequences for the country.
        3. Dimy4
          Dimy4 3 October 2013 19: 21
          +3
          Oh! Grandmother Nenila somehow asked the barmistra Vlas to fix the hut somehow .... Here the lord will come, the lord will judge us .... Oh, Nekrasov wrote these lines for a long time, but our position with regard to the authorities at any level has not changed. It’s sad.
        4. Andrey57
          Andrey57 3 October 2013 21: 57
          +3
          About the principle of GDP in domestic affairs - at you are bent! laughing
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 3 October 2013 16: 23
      +5
      I am "for" even now !!! All this trash, through the courts, a zone with confiscation, where to go, without the right to return !!!
  5. AK-47
    AK-47 3 October 2013 15: 27
    10
    The elite in Russia?
    These are thieves, bribe takers, demagogues, traitors.
  6. matross
    matross 3 October 2013 15: 31
    +1
    Somehow, this international elite split suspiciously on time, for a few more years and that's all - there is no Russia. A couple of centuries existed, and here ... And although the reasons for the split as a whole are clear, it is the impossibility of further expansion, then why couldn’t the Comrade agree. The Rothschilds with Comrade Rockefellers on ways out of the situation? After all, if pulled in different directions, then, oh, as if the whole ball did not crack ...
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 3 October 2013 16: 26
      +1
      Between them there is money, and no one wants to concede ....
  7. Strashila
    Strashila 3 October 2013 15: 48
    +6
    "Gaidar, Chubais and their followers were going to build a comprador bourgeoisie as a result of privatization" ... as Chubais said in an interview ... they did not plan to build anything at all ... their plans were to destroy the state ... not ideology, namely the states ... in which they actually succeeded.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 3 October 2013 19: 04
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      their plans included the destruction of the state ... not of ideology, but of the state ...

      Not a state ...
  8. pahom54
    pahom54 3 October 2013 15: 53
    +4
    To represent the modern elite of Russia, you need to show her sniffy face of Serdyuk and hug Verka Serdyuchka with Ksyusha Sobchak to him in an embrace. Sorry, I can’t insert photos.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 3 October 2013 16: 12
      +1
      When the message box appears there at the top of the picture and video insertion icon :)
    2. Dimy4
      Dimy4 3 October 2013 19: 27
      +4
      And this is not the elite; they called themselves the elite. Imagine a pan with mushrooms, when they boil, the foam rises, which must be thrown into the trash, and so they are this very foam, because our society has been boiling for a very long time. There is no one to remove the foam.
      1. Orik
        Orik 4 October 2013 00: 13
        +2
        There is no one because we cannot even agree here, although 99% are patriots. sad
  9. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 3 October 2013 16: 00
    +4
    The article is confusing and not understandable. How can one compare the 1917 revolution with what happened in the 90s? Different political layout, and indeed complete nonsense.
    1. polly
      polly 3 October 2013 19: 53
      +1
      In your own words ( according to Khazin): The former head of the IMF opposed what the International Monetary Fund headed by him had served for two decades, in the sense that the financial system needed to be changed. In 2011, the IMF decided that the Central Bank of central banks would be created, which would give money in a special currency and optimize the global monetary system. After that, he was slipped into a maid, and the world elite was divided into two groups: the first (coordinated by Rothschild) advocates reformatting the entire financial system: creating several independent currency centers based on the dollar, euro, yuan, rupee and ruble, and the second (the current IMF) - that you need to keep everything as it is.
      The domestic comprador elite is our liberals, who want to lie forever under the IMF, and the other, the national elite (patriots, security officials), believe that it is necessary to develop an independent financial center and are friends with Rothschild. Something like this.
  10. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 3 October 2013 16: 06
    +6
    from the Don.
    Officers, doctors, teachers, workers are our elite!
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 3 October 2013 16: 27
      -1
      Elites, Rothschilds, Rockefellers. And what do they have to do with our country and people, do they feel they are a responsible part of the Russian people and Russia? Of course no. They have homes and families in the West, they don't care about our future. The question is, why should we listen to all these analysts and expect that the elites will have mercy on us, and we will be lucky and we will not disappear like some Crimean Goths? This is our country, and we depend on the fat monsters of the globalist capitalists? What is this shame? Why does it not occur to anyone that the order should be what we want, and these "elite" pigs do not care? No one will come to us to rule and take care of the country, like Rurik, while most of the people think like slaves will not change anything, slaves are not respected, they wipe their feet and do not listen
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 3 October 2013 16: 47
        +3
        Quote: New Russia
        like slaves nothing will change slaves

        Why are you so obsessed with not slaves, every post is the same.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 3 October 2013 16: 59
          -4
          This is not fixated, I am amazed at some blindly believing in the king, and I can’t keep silent :)
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 3 October 2013 17: 03
            +2
            In any case, do not repeat so often, at least rebuild phrases.
        2. Volkolak
          Volkolak 3 October 2013 18: 59
          -2
          Quote: novobranets
          Why are you so obsessed with not slaves, every post is the same.

          The girl is right, we need to squeeze the slave mentality out of ourselves, it is he who prevents us from taking a sober look at life. We live on faith, that is, we believe what the president said, we believe the analyst who is spraying with saliva, and we trust the deputies of the State Duma. And in fact, everything turns out to be a lie. The President’s children live behind a cordon (this is incomprehensible to the mind), the deputy’s money is in Western banks, and the intelligence of a foreign country holds him tightly for me .... And the analyst will stupidly work out the money. Faith is an uncritical perception of information, enough to believe every rogue.
          PS
          For "patriots".
          The president and deputy with the analyst are given as an example.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 3 October 2013 19: 17
            +2
            Quote: VOLKOLAK
            Girl is right

            Girl perhaps right, only if you peck the same thing, do you think the degree of correctness will increase? sad
            1. Volkolak
              Volkolak 3 October 2013 19: 22
              +1
              Quote: novobranets
              A girl is probably right only if you peck the same thing, do you think the degree of rightness will increase?

              It's like "Carthage must be destroyed"

              For example, on this topic, I found good poems.

              It's time to understand - for them we are goyim,
              It's time to understand - for them we are cattle,
              And we all grumble, grumble: "What is it?"
              And we all think: "We are just unlucky!"

              We all regret: "They chose the wrong one!"
              There will be elections, so we will choose "that"
              We do not know that the bandits calculated:
              Kagal everything, the Slavs - nothing.

              We are delirious, with our eyes closed,
              We chew all the fables of democracy ...
              Laughing with them, crying with their tears
              We recklessly shackle ourselves forging.

              Come to your senses, Slav, break the bonds of slavery!
              All games with Satan are deadly!
              To raise the state from dust,
              Drive the filthy with a strong broom.

              Nikolay Bogolyubov
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 3 October 2013 19: 41
                +6
                I like good poems, but not boring. If you think that I am delighted with what is happening, then you are mistaken. As for the verses, I answer:
                I believe in the honesty of the president
                and the integrity of the guards,
                in the care of the bank about customers,
                I believe in mermaids, in brownies.
                hi
                1. Volkolak
                  Volkolak 3 October 2013 19: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: novobranets
                  If you think that I am delighted with what is happening, then you are mistaken.

                  Only the enemy can be delighted with what is happening. You, judging by the comments, do not belong to such. Above is my comment about faith. And your verses are again about faith. And it's time for us to start "understanding", to understand the essence of what is happening.
                  1. novobranets
                    novobranets 3 October 2013 20: 11
                    +4
                    My poems are just about "unbelief" No. , understand a little, you need to look for methods of influence, but this is just not easy. request
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 3 October 2013 16: 33
      +3
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.

      The elite in sociology and political science is an important part of society. Carries out the functions of management, as well as the development of new behaviors that allow society to adapt to changing conditions.
      It is roughly divided into two categories:
      Possessing higher intelligence, talent, abilities, competence in comparison with others.
      Possessing real power and influence, without reference to intellect and moral and ethical qualities.

      In short pans. angry
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 3 October 2013 17: 01
        +4
        Quote: AK-47
        In short pans.

        Have you noticed how people pronounce the words of the elite and the oligarch? With overt hatred and contempt. Everyone understands who brought the country to such a state, and went unpunished. Among segments of the population with low and even middle incomes, tension is growing, still a little, some kind of unreasonable move on the part of the government and it is not known what will happen, that's for sure nothing good.
    3. nemec55
      nemec55 3 October 2013 19: 22
      +9
      I also don’t understand who made them an elite ???? How can you ??? The elite is my grandmother who suffered repression, mastered the virgin soil, worked as a milkmaid combine milker on a jacket, three kilograms, this is ELITE and I can write about my relatives about the sea. And other people have the same ELITE old people, parents of brothers and sisters And what they poke us This is SHUSHER.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 3 October 2013 20: 29
        +7
        Let me add. Swift pilots, GRU special forces officers, Navy combat swimmers, doctors who do the impossible, athletes breaking world records, good This is the elite. And the horde of snickering hogs, which has settled in mansions behind brick fences, is marsh mucus, and not the elite. negative
        1. Volkolak
          Volkolak 3 October 2013 21: 36
          +5
          Quote: novobranets
          Let me add.

          And I will add. The elite is Colonel Budanov, Kvachkov, Khabarov.
  11. Umnichka
    Umnichka 3 October 2013 17: 12
    +3
    I hope to clean up the "elites". Unfortunately, there is no other way to soak it, as in the 37th, unfortunately, there is no other way - the time for peaceful solutions has passed, - either we will survive, or how will we survive in Africa. Liberastov, excuse me. - to the wall. Much deserved.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 3 October 2013 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: Umnichka
      Hope to clean up the "elites"

      I'm with you. I repeat the common saying. What is good for the Russian-German death. A pro-Western model of government will not work for us. Following all kinds of demos ... we lost the mechanism of effective influence on political and criminal crimes. Now we have what we have. Or we have those who should have stood at the wall for a long time. If we leave everything as it is, it is naive to wait for improvements. hi
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 3 October 2013 19: 09
        +3
        Quote: novobranets
        A pro-Western model of government will not work with us. Following all kinds of demos ... we lost the mechanism of effective influence

        At the moment, we do not have either a Western model of governance, let alone democracy.
        1. Volkolak
          Volkolak 3 October 2013 19: 34
          +2
          Quote: Yarosvet
          At the moment, we do not have either a Western model of governance, let alone democracy.

          Truly so. The country of occupation by the Judeo-oligarchic government (I think the nationality of most oligarchs is known to everyone, this is a topic for another discussion) all the laws work for the exploitation of the power and the people. What kind of democracy are we talking about? They can’t plant Serdyukov, not to mention the birds of higher flight. In the West, too, there is no democracy, there is only an illusion.
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 3 October 2013 19: 37
          +1
          I agree, as there is no longer a higher measure of social protection from especially grave ones. But in the beginning, the method of government was riveted precisely by app. patterned. What this led to we already know. We need our own development path, taking into account the mentality, traditions, if you like. Well, in connection with the current situation, a firm guarantee that the constitutional rights and duties of citizens will be fulfilled. Utopia? Maybe, but striving for this is not a sin. hi
          1. alone
            alone 3 October 2013 19: 55
            +6
            there is no need to wet anyone, as in the 37th. it is necessary to establish the rule of law. so that both the president and the ordinary janitor obey these laws implicitly. to do this the first duty is to eradicate corruption in all echelons of power, starting from the top, ending to the bottom. when the law works like should work, all this riffraff called elite itself will run away to hell with dogs.

            P.S. this is my personal opinion. Maybe it is erroneous. But there is no tragedy in it. The main thing is that this is my opinion))
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 3 October 2013 20: 18
              +2
              Quote: lonely
              so that both the president and the ordinary janitor obey these laws

              Here. Fundamentals. Everything else is applications. hi
            2. Cpa
              Cpa 3 October 2013 23: 26
              +2
              Quote: lonely
              when the law works, how it should work, all this riffraff called elite will run away to hell.

              And what will prevent them from changing this law? I’m wondering how the elected government adopts laws that the people do not like. By law, everything is "in the Christmas tree", but in fairness - something is wrong. Laws must proceed from justice and common sense , and not "democratic values." Who will follow this? You cannot hold a referendum on every law, here is the field for lawlessness. Therefore, there is no respect for the law. For many, it is not a secret that it is not a secret for "interested" groups to push a draft law into the Duma It costs a certain amount of money, and not only in our country. So the president has to come out with the initiative, as if the thought does not know these problems. Simply, they say, stop hooking up, get down to business.
          2. Volkolak
            Volkolak 3 October 2013 19: 59
            +2
            Quote: novobranets
            We need our own development path, taking into account the mentality, traditions, if you like.

            I agree to all 100%. And if we begin to discuss this topic, then the ice has broken.
  12. Metlik
    Metlik 3 October 2013 17: 28
    +4
    Russia has a chronic predisposition to coups and riots (revolutions, civil wars). It’s time for society to think about the mechanism for preventing this phenomenon, otherwise the consequences can be very unpleasant.
    I would suggest reassigning the Central Election Commission as well as the internal troops and the Ministry of Internal Affairs directly to the constitutional court. If our leadership is not going to violate the constitution and cheat on elections - they should only welcome an independent assessment of their legitimacy.
    By the way, in the West they recognize that their democratic rhetoric is not just words.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 3 October 2013 17: 42
      +1
      Quote: Metlik
      Russia has a chronic predisposition to coups and riots

      One has only to spill the first blood ... Oh, to her what will happen. Russia is not a banana republic, the whole world will become sick. crying
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 3 October 2013 18: 04
        +2
        "Russian revolt, senseless and merciless", you can't say more precisely. Feeling the taste of blood, gaining momentum, the riot becomes uncontrollable. Blood flows like a river, the reason has already been forgotten, the rebellion itself becomes the goal of the riot. Apocalypse. God save and save Russia from this.
  13. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 3 October 2013 17: 37
    +3
    Those who control us are definitely not the elite. Yes, they are still upstairs, but this is temporary. They even understand this and prepare for themselves spare areas in the west. Real estate, bank accounts ...
  14. kaktus
    kaktus 3 October 2013 17: 39
    +2
    the modern "elite" never feel sorry for
  15. alekseyal
    alekseyal 3 October 2013 18: 25
    +2
    The 1917 revolution was prepared and carried out by British intelligence.
    The collapse of the USSR in 1991 was also prepared by the US agent Gorbachev and his entourage.
    In an attempt to start a civil war in October 1993, it also did not go without the US intelligence services. Rogozin in his book "Enemy of the People" writes about snipers who fired in both directions from the roof of the American embassy.
  16. voliador
    voliador 3 October 2013 18: 47
    +1
    And the most important thing in this for us is that this elite for ordinary citizens is just us ... t!
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 3 October 2013 19: 38
      +2
      Quote: voliador
      And the most important thing in this for us is that this elite for ordinary citizens is just us ... t!

      And be sure, even if there is a change in the elite, nothing will change for us.
  17. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 3 October 2013 19: 15
    +3
    "ELTE EL ELITE" - with him or on him.

    The elite is those who return on the shield.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 3 October 2013 23: 31
      +2
      good That is, the winners! As long as our winners ruled the country, there was order. As the last front-line soldiers left the supreme power, the mess began. The real elite knows the value of everything in life, and the price of life itself.
  18. bubla5
    bubla5 3 October 2013 19: 33
    +1
    Still this elite on lampposts
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 3 October 2013 19: 55
      +1
      Still this elite on lampposts
      Soap, ropes, stools, some losses with them. Better benefit if you work in underpopulated areas under the supervision of harsh armed uncles with shepherd dogs.
    2. alone
      alone 3 October 2013 19: 58
      +3
      do you think there will be enough pillars ?! divorced the "elite" in Russia like cockroaches
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 3 October 2013 20: 01
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        think enough pillars ?!

        Run out of pillars decorating aspen. I hope we have enough aspens? am
        1. alone
          alone 3 October 2013 20: 42
          +2
          and as for the aspen stake, it’s a good idea. It’s better to put them on the stake)) others will be a lesson
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 3 October 2013 20: 55
            0
            Jokes aside, a lesson is essential. Recently, bureaucrats have been stealing not childishly. Landing large figures will set a precedent. The criminals, once a "threat to society," are just cherubs, compared to some so-called government officials. These "guardians of the country" are worse than the external enemy. He at least does not hide his intentions, but these are sitting in the rear and hitting in the back.
  19. SPACE
    SPACE 3 October 2013 20: 54
    +5
    In the east, sages say: "When the caravan unfolds, the lame camel takes the first place."
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 3 October 2013 21: 06
      +2
      Oriental and Chinese quotes, this is something. Briefly to the point. hi
  20. saag
    saag 3 October 2013 21: 20
    +1
    Quote: New Russia
    Elites, Rothschilds, Rockefellers. And what do they have to do with our country and people, do they feel they are a responsible part of the Russian people and Russia? Of course no. They have homes and families in the West, they don't care about our future. The question is, why should we listen to all these analysts and expect that the elites will have mercy on us, and we will be lucky and we will not disappear like some Crimean Goths? This is our country, and we depend on the fat monsters of the globalist capitalists? What is this shame? Why does it not occur to anyone that the order should be what we want, and these "elite" pigs do not care? No one will come to us to rule and take care of the country, like Rurik, while most of the people think like slaves will not change anything, slaves are not respected, they wipe their feet and do not listen

    Any specific suggestions? Maybe about the purpose of the development of society, its new model?
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 3 October 2013 23: 06
      +1
      "Are there any specific proposals? Maybe about the goal of the development of society, its new model?" The goal of the development of society is the spiritual development of knowledge and freedom. National socialism with a Russian tinge :) Not in words, but in deeds, Russians and their prosperity should become the main meaning of the state. All peoples who live with us in the world have the right to equal rights with us. Our culture is a high morality, to which all liberal and tolerant ideologies are hostile to anything. Our policy must be cruel and tough towards any ideology that pokes into Russia, be it Caucasian-style Islam or Western liberalism. The ideology of high morality and reverence and study of their ancient history and traditions should be saturated with everything, education, television, the constitution. The indigenous peoples of Russia have much more rights than visitors, the entry of people from the Russophobic c. Prohibit Asia. Do not hesitate to use military force against abscesses around Russia such as Chechnya, and there is no need to spare anyone. Here's a picture :)
  21. Gloomy
    Gloomy 3 October 2013 22: 13
    0
    Quote: Peaceful military
    "Russia is ruled directly by the Lord God. Otherwise, it is impossible to imagine how this state still exists." All of this is encouraging. smile
    GOD BLESS RUSSIA!


    Who would doubt it!

    Epistles of the Apostle Paul to the Romans:
    "Let every soul be submissive to the authorities, for there is no authority not from God." belay
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 3 October 2013 23: 11
      -2
      "Let every soul be submissive to the authorities" Pf, what an abomination :) ahahah :)
      1. Orik
        Orik 4 October 2013 00: 22
        +2
        Bunny, do not judge what you do not understand at all.

        The monarchy was seen as the most appropriate form of government pleasing to God, helping a person fight his passions, while democracy was presented as a source of passions and vices. Therefore, the culture of Muscovite Russia fought with those who tried in various ways to push the idea of ​​democracy and pluralism into the art, the spirit of individualism and social freedom.

        St. Joseph Volotsky
        The sovereign, like all people, is subject to earthly weaknesses and may be prone to sinful acts. The priesthood helps to prevent them. If the sovereign persists in his vices, then he is no longer "God's servant, but the devil." In this case, according to the traditions of Byzantium, such a sovereign can be denied obedience, but it is necessary to change not the form of government, but the autocrat. In this way, the power of the Orthodox sovereign in Joseph Volotsky is fundamentally different from Western absolutism, which denies the head of state the right to be the "conscience" of the country and compresses it into the tight framework of its own "spiritual needs", which absolutism itself determines and decides how to serve them.

        Well, and the interpretation of the quote you quoted.
        http://www.pravoslavie.ru/answers/6267.htm

        Expand your worldview, otherwise you will look stupid. yes
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 4 October 2013 00: 32
          +3
          I know what these words are, I studied at an Orthodox school :) But now it is not relevant :) "The Tsar, like all people, is subject to earthly weaknesses and may be prone to sinful actions. The" priesthood "helps to prevent them. persists in his vices, then he is no longer "God's servant, but the devil." Exactly, if the government ceases to live for the sake of the people, to hell with such power. Power, even being authoritarian, can ensure the prosperity of the people to act by their opinions and desires and ensure their freedom. But the people are above the power.
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 4 October 2013 01: 22
            +1
            Quote: New Russia
            If the sovereign persists in his vices, then he is no longer “God's servant, but the devil.” “That's right, if the government ceases to live for the people, to hell with such power. Power, even being authoritarian, can ensure the prosperity of the people to act with his opinion and desires and to ensure his freedom, but the people are above the power.

            Devonka?, Understand a simple thing, the state and the people exist on different planes. The state exists for the sake of the beloved. For ALL World History, not a single truly created national a state that could survive for any length of time. And the education created for a short period of time was ruined by anarchy, and they became easy prey for neighbors, due to their greater organization, or they quickly mutated into the State (with its characteristic attributes of personality suppression) until the neighbors recovered.
            1. chehywed
              chehywed 4 October 2013 01: 36
              0
              Oppanki! Rotten New Nerus and brought me in an emergency. All the same, the adversaries are awakening!
              1. SPACE
                SPACE 4 October 2013 21: 44
                +1
                Quote: chehywed
                Oppanki! Rotten New Nerus and brought me in an emergency. All the same, the adversaries are awakening!

                laughing
                I envy you colleague, now your site will load faster hi
              2. Arabist
                Arabist 4 October 2013 21: 49
                +2
                The lady probably decided to make everyone there who disagrees with her. I feel, and I will be there soon. Declare DEFCON-2 laughing
          2. Bigriver
            Bigriver 4 October 2013 04: 24
            +2
            Quote: New Russia
            ... people are above power.

            Let me clarify the question.
            And what is "people" for you?
          3. Orik
            Orik 4 October 2013 10: 21
            0
            Democratic, authoritarian, these are all just ... tools that should be applied when necessary. For example, in 1941, the situation endowed the command staff with the right to shoot cowards and alarmists on the spot, without trial or investigation, but to search for something fundamentally new, creative laboratories are being created, where a minimum of restrictions and motivates people to search for something new. Reverse it and the result will be negative. Today, the collective goebbels washes the majority of the brains with crap, this washing is aimed at the base, selfish feelings of a person, at freedom from duties, the right to be an animal, and so on. You are absolutely right "the people are above the power", when those who come to power treat it as a service (!), There are very, very few of them, the majority need power to anticipate their egoism and complexes. And the cornerstone, which crushed many who came to power with good purposes, is Pride in front of our eyes that changes a person and his actions, and it turns out "the state exists for the sake of its beloved." Nothing except ORTHODOX has tools to combat this scourge, therefore Christianity was and will be relevant yesterday, today, tomorrow and forever and ever. Amen. wink
          4. Orik
            Orik 4 October 2013 10: 39
            +1
            I know what these words are, I studied at an Orthodox school :) But now this is not relevant :)

            I’m not sure that I understood the phrase correctly, but Orthodoxy is first of all FAITH, and only then knowledge. Our pious ancestors had little knowledge, but strong faith and created an empire. Knowledge often obscures, but I already wrote about pride.
          5. novobranets
            novobranets 4 October 2013 20: 10
            +1
            Quote: New Russia
            But the people are above power.

            Do you understand what you said? belay
  22. Orik
    Orik 4 October 2013 00: 30
    +3
    The article is so-so, neither a plus nor a minus.
    Its scale turned out to be so large that the generalized West simply ignored the interests of local, including Russian, elites, and they realized that they would be quickly dispossessed if they could not hide behind the political power of a state that was rapidly weakening.

    This is where Putin appeared! It is the result of the understanding by a part of the "elites" that without a strong state they are fucking needed in the world, BUT they are all WESTERNS that is. we choose between shades of shit.
  23. michajlo
    michajlo 4 October 2013 20: 13
    +2
    Orik Today 00:30 _131004 / fifth] The article is so-so, not a plus or a minus.
    Its scale turned out to be so large that the generalized West simply ignored the interests of local, including Russian, elites, and they realized that they would be quickly dispossessed if they could not hide behind the political power of a state that was rapidly weakening.
    This is where Putin appeared! It is the result of the understanding by a part of the "elites" that without a strong state they are fucking needed in the world, BUT they are all WESTERNS that is. we choose between shades of shit.
    New Russia Today 16: 270 _131004 / Friday
    Elites, Rothschilds, Rockefellers. And how do they relate to our country and people, do they feel they are a responsible part of the Russian people and Russia? Of course no...


    Good day to all! Excuse me, girl, I'm not sure that I understood your name correctly, could you yourself for me again here or on occasion to name again. I’m used to know by name.

    About Putin, with all the positive, patriotic line, calls for the unity of Russia, I still have dual feelings. He has good words, Decrees are correct, Resolutions are darkness, but for collapse, theft and harm, no one bears responsibility !?

    But according to his deeds and not according to his words, he is the MAIN CHANGE of the Motherland! Or is he so "deeply conspiratorial" to mislead the enemies of Russia ?, that the citizens are beginning to take him for an "ordinary bastard" ?!
    Well, I really don’t know? I personally would be VERY glad if I were mistaken and would gladly apologize later both to the forum users and to Putin, for my distrust of him and his open criticism !!!

    Regarding the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and other elderly Jewish money bastards (may the decent people of the Jewish people forgive me), that dear you are very mistaken in their interests and desires.
    You are right that they do not live in Russia or the post-USSR. But why do they call themselves the "New World Government" and other "names".
    Damn it to them !, as they call themselves and who they think they are, these senile carriers of "gaskets and diapers."
    But the whole trouble is that they are not only preparing vile plans against the entire globe and calculating, but they are using their “virtual banknotes”, invented by them “exchanges”, “valuation agencies” virtual prices of their assets, they inflate and “strip” opponents! And all just using toy "candy wrappers", which are banknotes, stocks and other means of deception and robbery.
    But to these gentlemen financiers Today, alas, THE WHOLE WORLD WORKS, through “governments, presidents, prime ministers, heads of special services, courts, gang leaders "and all authorities on the globe, with rare exceptions, OBEY THEM and fulfill THEIR WILL. And Russia and all the post-USSR, post-ATS, for NWO it’s just chessboard figures !!!

    Therefore, the naive stories and representations of many jingoistic patriots that “our Vova protects us citizens and cares for our children”, alas, this is only your mistake, which you will understand in time and you will swear!
    Moreover, over time, you will cease to swear at me and critics of the authorities like here, or those of us who are urging you ALL to at least not blindly believe the authorities and START TO REFLECT and always try to get an answer to the question: What will happen tomorrow, in a year, two and five ?, after sweet promises and appeals?

    Putin is not in power for a year or two, but as many as 9 + 4 = 13 ... But what about the business?
    The same Lukashenko, with a small and poor Republic of Belarus, without raw materials, minerals, currency, according to his grandfathers made for his PEOPLE, will effortlessly shut up Putin and Nazarbayev and my “sun-free, non-stop Yanukovych”.
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 4 October 2013 20: 22
      +2
      Dear Mikhail, what do you suggest? There are a lot of critics (I don’t argue there are enough reasons for this), but the proposals being implemented are also not very noticeable. Commentators will make noise, scold, and ... also do nothing. Words alone. So then what's the difference?
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 4 October 2013 21: 10
        0
        Good evening, dear Andrey!

        For starters, I propose not to shout “Putin cheers” in intoxication!

        And ALWAYS ask the authorities what did she do for the people?
        That did she keep her promises?

        Look around you that there is not a single decent person anywhere, an entrepreneur, a farmer, an officer who has not forgotten or after forgetting, AGAIN recalled the words HONOR, FAITH, DECALITY, FATHERLAND and other concepts that have been told to us since childhood !!!

        I am sure that you and other such people will FIND and help them and support them.

        Neither we nor you need advice from legal defenders, American ambassadors and other trash !!!

        It is only NECESSARY to think, consult, reflect, and CHECK everything and don’t believe any sweet promises, only READY-MADE MATTERS!
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 5 October 2013 15: 47
      +1
      Quote: michajlo
      About Putin, with all the positive, patriotic line, calls for the unity of Russia, I still have dual feelings.

      Hello Michael. Because Putin conducts foreign policy, one can judge him as an accomplished and powerful state. figure, but here's the inner ... It seems that these are two completely different people. The worst part is that there is no substitute for it in the visible space. hi
  24. Arabist
    Arabist 4 October 2013 21: 19
    +1
    Yes, I do not mind all this, I do not shout to Putin cheers. I just notice some positive trends, although there are still so many problems. Maybe I'm too optimistic (although I am not a patriot cheer and put them on the same level with the all-protesters). No offense, you write well, but only many also write and make me suspicious. Perhaps it’s just that, driven by a certain profession, it’s not too trusting in people (too many tell me I didn’t do this, didn’t do it, but I wanted the best, etc. The alternative also doesn’t inspire confidence in me. Who? Mironov, Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov, Prokhorov? What do you think?
  25. michajlo
    michajlo 4 October 2013 23: 59
    +1
    Arabist RU Today, 21:19 PM New _131004 / Fri
    Mironov, Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov, Prokhorov? And what do you think?


    Good evening Andrey!

    These people, in my deep conviction, are not worth the attention of citizens at all and not like VOTERS!
    Who are they by and large? Patriots of Russia, their city, region or their WALLET?
    After receiving the answer to these questions, you will already have YOUR personal opinion, possibly coinciding with the opinion of the authorities, or opposite or in the middle.

    Answer, why did the authorities allow them to advance somewhere, to appear on TV (in Radio, mind you, there are much fewer speeches by politicians and taxi drivers)? And this is because the “fouling” effect of the radio is an order of magnitude smaller than that of a TV with pre-prepared questions and answers and “their own” correct audience!

    Take an interest in these points, for example:

    - In what conditions, houses, apartments, mansions do these SONS of the PEOPLE live?
    - Where do their wives, father-in-law, mother-in-law, children, brothers work?
    - Where do they spend their vacations?
    - What kind of worker-peasant or church school do their children attend?

    After receiving accurate answers verified from 2-4 sources, YOU will already have your EXACT opinion! And my advice, beliefs, appeals, you will be NOTHING!

    You yourself will be able to explain and talk about these generally simple mechanisms of PR, promotion of your own, reliable "candidates", more precisely, Bastards or "vulgarization, smearing with mud" DANGEROUS for the authorities and objectionable people.

    Why, for example, before the elections, add someone else to 3-4 of their well-known "Kremlin political prostitutes", that is, the officially approved "opposition", seeing that suddenly a "new figure" loomed in the distance, and God forbid from the people , BOTTOM !?

    The principles of arithmetic are simple, if it is not possible to discredit a dangerous, that is, an intractable and principled leader, then all these official parties HAVE an important role for the authorities, namely, Pull back the votes, thereby SELECT them and the new leader and reduce HIS% in the elections ... About the honesty of the counting of votes, I will refrain from talking at all for now !?

    Take an interest in the most “selective kitchen”, especially how it looks from the “back door”?
    If by frequent and deep breathing “defeat the urge to vomit” !, then find out further, ask, check everything from different sources.

    My words and advice, double-check in the same way! Suddenly I express myself beautifully and for a long time, I use good and correct words, and my gut is “rotten, vile” ?! Do you understand what I am writing to you? And sometimes your opponent or enemy will tell you more truth than someone else, but you need to "strain the gray matter", and not just use its shell to wear a hat! (These are the sentences I already wrote somewhere here)

    I hope that you will not add Navalny, Kasparov, Ivashov, and many other shifters and scoundrels to the list you wrote above, I don’t remember all of them.
    And believe me or DO CHECK yourself the authorities always have a list ready “Working”, “prepared” and in reserve “directly from the opposition” of leaders and candidates for the Guarantor, the premiere and other cohort of “patriot-reformers”.

    These methods of ALL intelligence agencies, without exception, including our former KGB, FSB, SBU, so far work well and rarely misfire.