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The Black House

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The Black House In the autumn of 1993, supporters of the Supreme Council suffered a final defeat, who wanted to preserve the heritage of the USSR, its scientific, educational and industrial potential in the interests of the people. The victory was won by the supporters of the “Western choice”, that is, the sale of the Soviet heritage, the refusal of the state from social responsibility, the surrender of basic positions in foreign policy. In Russia there was a design of the government serving the interests of the comprador bourgeoisie. De facto there was a loss of national independence in the field of foreign policy, financial and economic policy. The “Westerners” received complete domination in the information field of Russia, when the word “patriot” became abusive. People who came out from patriotic, Russian national positions became practically outcasts.


Short история

The formal cause of the conflict was the emergence of dual power: the introduction of the presidency while maintaining the authority of the Congress of People's Deputies of the Russian Federation and the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation. Supporters of the immediate implementation of radical economic reforms and privatization (in fact, the plunder of the national wealth) were grouped around President Boris Yeltsin. Gaidar, Chubais and their follow-ups were going to build order in the country at the expense of the people, when the comprador bourgeoisie oriented to the West would have all real power. In Russia, instead of the national economy that meets the basic needs of the people, it was proposed to form a "pipe economy", while preserving only profitable sectors that were supposed to pump the resources of our Motherland to the West and East. Naturally, with such an economy, the population of Russia was redundant, enough 20-30 million serving the "pipe". The rest of the population was deliberately lowered into poverty, allowed the real genocide of the Russian people and other indigenous peoples of Russia to be organized through anesthesia, alcoholism, criminal and sexual revolution that destroyed the basic moral concepts inherent in Russian (Soviet) man and the information war aimed at creating constant psychological depression of people , life in an atmosphere of fear, violence, informational mud.

Yeltsin’s opponents did not have a clear program of action and vision for the future of Russia, but were generally focused on the creation and development of the national bourgeoisie based on the Soviet industrial potential. They were grouped around Vice-President Alexander Rutsky and the Supreme Council, whose chairman was Ruslan Khasbulatov. The congress of people's deputies has repeatedly refused to ratify the Belovezhskaya agreement on the termination of the existence of the Soviet Union and remove from the text of the Constitution of the Russian Federation mention of the Constitution and laws of the USSR. The Congress also invited the Constitutional Court to decide on the illegal ratification of the Agreement establishing the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS). The reason for the conflict was the question of changing the current Constitution. B. Yeltsin proposed to transfer the powers of the Congress of People's Deputies to the president by changing the form of government. Supporters of the Supreme Council advocated the preservation of the supreme power of representative bodies.

At the beginning of 1993, a solid conservative and anti-Yeltsin majority formed at the Congress of People's Deputies of Russia and the Supreme Soviet; they made up the Russian Unity block, which included communists, agrarians, etc. power of the president. The President, in response, signed the Decree “On Special Management Procedure”. On April 1993, a referendum was appointed with questions about confidence in the president, approval of the socio-economic policy of the President and the government, and the need for early elections of the President and people's deputies. Until 25 April, the activities of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation were suspended. The Constitutional Court recognized these actions of President Boris Yeltsin as immediately contradicting the nine articles of the Constitution. Emergency IX Congress of People's Deputies called the presidential decree an attempt of a coup d'état. According to the Basic Law for this was provided for the abdication of the head of state from power. However, the impeachment attempt failed.

25 April passed a referendum. In general, the referendum led to positive results for Yeltsin's supporters. The president and his entourage began to draft a new constitution, which was based on the idea of ​​a presidential republic.

In the autumn, the conflict peaked. On September 21, the head of state made a televised address to the people, where he made a statement that the Supreme Council had ceased to be an organ of democracy. Yeltsin signed Decree No. 1400 “On the phased constitutional reform in the Russian Federation”, on its basis the Congress of People's Deputies and the Supreme Council were to cease their activities. On December 11-12 of the year 1993, elections were held to the State Duma. At the same time, the House of Soviets was cut off from communications (communications, electricity, water supply and sewerage), and the police began its blockade. Supporters of the Supreme Council announced that Boris Yeltsin had completed a coup d'état and that the X Extraordinary Congress of People's Deputies was convened ahead of time. The defense of the House of Soviets was headed by Vice-President A. Rutskoi, Chairman of the Supreme Council R. Khasbulatov and appointed by them - Minister of Defense V. Achalov and his deputy A. Makashov. Began an open confrontation.

It should be noted that the leaders of the resistance were very weak people, not ready for a real confrontation. The leaders of the Congress and the Supreme Council were already compromised in the eyes of the population by the previous “flexible” policies, the support they had previously provided to Yeltsin and the government, the responsibility for the reforms of Gaidar, and the often stupid nature of their meetings, broadcast publicly. Even going to open confrontation, the leaders of the party of Yeltsin’s opponents acted indecisively, inconsistently. The congress was not ready for a forceful confrontation, it was unable to prove its truth by force. Although all the possibilities for this were. The military loyal to the Constitution offered to protect the House of Soviets, but the deputies were afraid of blood, and their opponent was not afraid of shedding the blood of the Russian people.

Even that weaponwhich was in the building, was not distributed to the defenders of the Council. October 3 a popular uprising occurred and up to half a million people broke through to the building. But there was no force that organized the people, armed them and led to the storming of the Kremlin. It got to the point that the top leaders of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation appeared on television, calling for the prevention of bloodshed. Council supporters outside of Moscow were disorganized. Yeltsin's supporters quickly came to their senses and with the full support of representatives of the West (snipers, militants of the Zionist organization Beitar), suppressed a popular uprising.

The confrontation ended with what it was supposed to end with - the defeat of the legitimate authority, which did not want to defend itself. Yeltsin introduced a state of emergency. For the storming of the House of Soviets they recruited mercenaries, drove armored vehicles of elite formations. By the evening of October 4, the resistance of Yeltsin’s opponents was broken. Hundreds of patriots were killed. The dark years of sales began in Russia, the triumph of neoliberalism (in fact, neo-fascism).

The events of September - October 1993, were an excellent lesson, which showed that it is not enough to be right, one must be able to defend their ideals ...
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  1. largus886
    largus886 3 October 2013 08: 15
    50
    One of the darkest days in modern Russian history, at least for me. There was a sense of the inevitability of a civil war.
    1. sapsan14
      sapsan14 3 October 2013 08: 28
      46
      Good afternoon!
      20 years have passed ... Could save the country ... Conscience gnaws even now ...
      Wrongly evaluated the forces and means of the enemy. They thought that, on the other hand, they were the same military personnel, but as it turned out: traitors, foreign specialists and mercenaries. And there was no normal leader. Sewed on soap.
      What is encouraging is that the Earth is "round" and everyone will be rewarded what they deserve.
      And as if sworn friends did not want: Russia was, is and will be!
      1. wxyza11
        wxyza11 3 October 2013 10: 43
        20
        I completely agree. Yeltsin leaked us all
      2. Nuar
        Nuar 3 October 2013 10: 50
        22
        Quote: sapsan14
        What is encouraging is that the Earth is "round" and everyone will be rewarded what they deserve.
        only very many fins were already glued together in a natural way and nothing was paid to them sad
        1. lab29
          lab29 3 October 2013 19: 01
          +2
          Far from the fact that natural, maybe Uncle Vova helped ...
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 3 October 2013 10: 53
        +9
        Quote: sapsan14
        Could save the country ... Conscience gnaws still ...

        Maybe their goals were noble, this will not be verified in 20 years. But, having accepted Barkashov and the company into their ranks, they put the stigma of fascism on themselves. The peoples of Russia received such a powerful vaccination against fascism in 1941 that it will be enough for at least several more generations. Even a hint of fascism provokes a reaction of rejection. It was for Barkashov that the defenders of the White House received the label "red-brown", thereby further discrediting the Communist Party, whose reputation was already low, perhaps undeservedly, just as a reaction to the late Soviet bloopers committed by the Communist Party under the leadership of Mishan Mechenny. Well, then there was something that went down in history.
        1. Gennady1973
          Gennady1973 3 October 2013 12: 52
          +5
          With all due respect, I disagree with you. It's not just the flag (sorry, I DO NOT respect this flag and I will NOT!) I emphasize (MY PERSONAL OPINION) you will most likely offend, but you have the United States and this is probably (I WANT TO BELIEVE) the only state that wants us not to be ... and the memory of the Russians or whatever we were called ... also only in memoirs. we do not ask anyone for anything we don’t get in with "crap" and blue slogans. guys don’t get anything good from YOU out of this will not work. but SUDDENLY !!! it's not gonna go.............
          1. pavelk
            pavelk 3 October 2013 18: 13
            +5
            Strange you. In the United States, in Russian immigration, the majority sympathizes with Russia. And if you do not count ifreif and migrants 70-80s, then almost everything. I personally would return home would be a well-paid job.
            Learn to appreciate migrants from the Chinese. "Forgot who you are? Look in the mirror" is a Chinese saying. Wherever we are we are still Russians.
            1. Gennady1973
              Gennady1973 3 October 2013 22: 31
              0
              I ask for apologies. I didn’t want to offend ....... I just don’t believe America
        2. luka095
          luka095 4 October 2013 02: 39
          +3
          The term "red-brown" was not introduced because of Barkashov. Long before these events, a parallel was constantly drawn between the communists and the Nazis. The "democrats" were eager for power and they had to discredit the communists and everything Soviet in general by any means ...
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 4 October 2013 08: 13
            +3
            Recall yesterday’s NTV film on October 3-4, 1993.
            Spraying drooling, the "democratic" intelligentsia, in the person of the hysterical actress Akhidzhakova, shouted:
            "... where is our army ?! Why doesn't it protect us from this damned Constitution ?! And they also tell me: legitimate, illegitimate ... My friends! Wake up! Do not sleep! The fate of unfortunate Russia, our unhappy Motherland is being decided tonight. The homeland is in danger! Do not sleep! We are threatened with terrible things. The communists will come again! "

            As she screamed into the microphone, this must be seen.
            And remember the "letter of the 42" in support of Yeltsin, in which the supporters of the Supreme Soviet were called "communist fascists", "red-brown werewolves", "stupid villains", "rogues", "adventurers", "cold-blooded executioners" and just "killers".
            Thanks to such "minds of the nation" Yeltsin and the entire comprador power of Russia came to power, which surrendered us to the United States and the West.
            By the way, one notable episode of the film: during the events of October 3-4, 1993, a document was found confirming that in the event of Yeltsin's defeat, the Americans were ready to send their troops to "restore democracy, peace and order" in Russia.
            1. Prohor
              Prohor 4 October 2013 13: 48
              -2
              Excuse me, were you near the White House in October 93? Have you seen the lumpen faces of the "defenders of Russia" with axes in their hands?
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 4 October 2013 16: 53
                +3
                It's not about who was near the White House, and with what. The main thing is that these people defended.
                They did not defend Rutsky and Khasbulatov, people defended the supreme legislative authority of Russia, they tried to the extent possible to prevent a coupcommitted by the head of the executive branch of Russia, President Yeltsin.
                Yeltsin, who speculated on the slogan of "preventing civil war", striving for one-man and uncontrolled power, and supported by pro-Western representatives of the 5th column, carried out a coup d'etat, shot the White House with tanks, and unraveled the Supreme Soviet of Russia, elected by all the people.
                What this led to we disentangle to this day. Usurped by Yeltsin, the supreme power of Russia will turn into the corrupt power of the oligarchs who plundered our country.
    2. 225chay
      225chay 3 October 2013 09: 44
      +8
      Quote: largus886
      One of the darkest days in modern Russian history, at least for me. There was a sense of the inevitability of a civil war.

      The enemies of Russia won unfortunately
      1. Col.
        Col. 3 October 2013 10: 59
        25
        Quote: 225chay
        The enemies of Russia won unfortunately


        And these enemies of Russia, or rather, their president, appointed as his successor someone who faithfully and faithfully continues their deeds, having secured EBN (and therefore himself!) With the notorious Decree on life-long guarantees of immunity to the president and his family members! In fact, Russia has turned into CJSC "Putin and Co", where all laws are developed in the interests of the financial and industrial oligarchy, where 0.00001 part of the country's population suddenly began to own everything that the entire people had created for many hundreds of years ... This is the result of the passivity and indifference of the population, most of whom prefer to live according to the principle "my house is on the edge".
        1. NEMO
          NEMO 3 October 2013 15: 26
          0
          Quote: Colonel
          This is the result of the passivity and indifference of the population, the majority of whom prefer to live according to the principle "my house is on the edge."

          The adoption of laws on the legalization of same-sex marriage in EU countries(judging by the color of your nickname flag) - This is the result of passivity and indifference of the population, the majority of whom prefer to live according to the principle "my house is on the edge." We see a speck in someone else's eye, but we don't notice a log in our own ... Why is this happening ??? request
      2. OTTO
        OTTO 3 October 2013 11: 15
        0
        Quote: 225chay
        The enemies of Russia won unfortunately

        And in this confrontation were "not enemies"? We see what Yeltsin led the country to, and what would his "opponents" win? Their forces were far from homogeneous, rather even hostile to each other. They could only rally против . They come to power in the country at best, waiting for an empty parliamentary talking room, against the backdrop of the degradation of everything and everything, and in the worst yet another redistribution of power developing into a civil war.
      3. atomic
        atomic 3 October 2013 12: 02
        +5
        Not only have they won, they are still in power.
      4. Krapovy32
        Krapovy32 3 October 2013 16: 25
        +9
        The enemies of Russia won unfortunately [/ quote]

        Russia cannot be defeated, steel grains have long appeared in the total gray mass of the population. They grow and grow stronger, the strength of mind cannot be broken. I believe in the revival of the empire.
        1. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 3 October 2013 16: 38
          +6
          Krapovy, there are two of us. Least.
          1. Prohor
            Prohor 4 October 2013 13: 52
            +2
            Three! soldier
            But we do not need an "empire", we just need a strong self-sufficient Russia!
  2. Stas57
    Stas57 3 October 2013 08: 26
    23
    The fall of 1993 of the year was finally defeated by supporters of the Supreme Council, who wanted to preserve the legacy of the USSR, its scientific, educational and industrial potential in the interests of the people.

    a plague on both of your homes.
    in this story there are no right or innocent, both sides are to blame. I do not believe in stories about the "legacy of the USSR", there was a struggle for power, a struggle for a seat, for controlling flows. Nobody thought about the USSR any more, for several years already everybody thought only about themselves.
    I repeat, the plague on both of your homes.

    being a juvenile idiot, I ran to look at Krasnaya Presnya, how they are shooting there, now it’s a frost on my skin, as I would imagine myself in the place of my parents
  3. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 3 October 2013 08: 42
    21
    I hate neither one nor the other! power bastards shared! completed! Why is Rutskoi better than Yeltsin? Yes, nothing, such a grabber who seized upon the power, his governorship showed everything!
    Because of their material ambitions, so many people were killed, these were the second black days after 17!
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 4 October 2013 08: 47
      +4
      "Why is Rutskoi better than Yeltsin? Yes, nothing ..." Baron Wrangel  Yesterday, 08:42


      I agree with you, but it is not in the personality of Rutsky and Khasbulatov. The main thing is that it was the Supreme Council of People's Deputies - the highest legislative power of the state.
      And Yeltsin, as the President represented the executive branch of the state.
      What's happening, when does the supreme executive power of the state come forward and destroy the supreme legislative power of the state?
      This is a coup d'etat!
      That is what the sane people opposed, who saw what danger the destruction of the supreme legislative power of the state poses. This sees usurpation of power in the interests of one not-so-decent person or group of pro-American bourgeoisie or oligarchy, as you like best.
      And all this "democratic" pro-American paid shobla of actresses, singers, repurposed teachers of "scientific communism" represented the "theater of the absurd" for brainwashing the people so that no one could understand the difference between "communists", red-brown "and fascists."
      1. Col.
        Col. 4 October 2013 10: 12
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        That is what the sane people opposed, who saw what danger the destruction of the supreme legislative power of the state poses. This sees usurpation of power in the interests of one not-so-decent person or group of pro-American bourgeoisie or oligarchy, as you like best.
        And all this "democratic" pro-American paid shobla of actresses, singers, repurposed teachers of "scientific communism" represented the "theater of the absurd" for brainwashing the people so that no one could understand the difference between "communists", red-brown "and fascists."


        5 +++! Short, clear and precise!
  4. largus886
    largus886 3 October 2013 08: 44
    16
    They are all bastards, but to shoot parliament out of tanks is chaos!
    1. Cat
      Cat 3 October 2013 16: 49
      -3
      Quote: largus886
      They are all bastards, but to shoot parliament out of tanks is chaos!

      Entirely and completely agree. If we shoot the parliament, then from something more serious than a tank gun. It would be nice to use howitzers more accurately, or GK of some battleship, tactical missiles with thermobaric warheads will also be useful. Ideally, of course, use a vigorous loaf - but where did you see the parliament, located in the desert or in dense taiga? That's right, and I have not seen ... it's a pity.
      As for the fact of the shooting itself, it is useful to everyone loved. Because it so happened historically that there are no honest people in the parliaments and cannot be, there are all thieves and lies. An honest person simply does not have enough money for the election campaign, and moreover, an honest person - he is unlikely to deliver obviously unrealizable promises from high tribunes, the same honesty will not allow. And parliamentarians, in fact, only do this: they promise, promise, and promise, not at all concerned about implementation - since no responsibility is provided for this in any country in the world.
      Well, the fact that the execution is arranged by exactly the same nonsense and thieves as those that dug in the parliament, well ... at least, if some bastards shoot others, there will be less of them in total. At least some, but still a plus.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 October 2013 08: 52
    +1
    I remember very well what was going on in the radio broadcast. It was scary for the country. Before the civil war it was not far. And all because of the political shortsightedness of those who brought power and money.
  6. Docent1984
    Docent1984 3 October 2013 09: 13
    +3
    The events of September - October 1994, were an excellent lesson, which showed that it is not enough to be right, one must be able to defend their ideals ...


    Did something happen in October 94?
  7. morpogr
    morpogr 3 October 2013 09: 14
    +5
    Pans fought for power, but chubs cracked at serfs. What Yeltsin, that the Hasbulatov did not care about people, they only wanted to take power. The most offensive is that no one was punished for the loss of life, all of these settled down after these events with the comfort of a governor, deputy, head of department .
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 3 October 2013 09: 18
      +7
      Interview with one of the participants in those events.


      My opinion is one of the tragic pages of Russian history.
  8. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 3 October 2013 09: 16
    +8
    Both sides are good - Yeltsin with his clique and Rutskoi with Khasbulatov ... Each of them dreamed of becoming "the very first and most important." As a result, Yeltsin succeeded, who took into account all the lessons of the defense of the White House in 1991 ... And Rutskoi and Khasbulatov apparently did not bother not to do this ...
    And I don’t think that with the coming to power of the duet "Rutskoy-Khasbulatov", something would have changed in the country radically for the better. And this was shown by their further political activity - the governorship of Rutskoi and Khasbulatov's attempt to play "the first violin" in affairs in the North Caucasus ...
    As for the "presentiment of a civil war," I can say one thing - the provinces, in principle, did not make much difference who would prevail. She just watched this reality show, ate eggs and was preoccupied with the problems of tomorrow - where to find a job and how to feed her family ...
  9. Aubert
    Aubert 3 October 2013 09: 29
    10
    In fact, a coup d'etat occurred.
    1. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 4 October 2013 07: 15
      -1
      and according to the first they say that they just prevented a coup ...
  10. Andreitas
    Andreitas 3 October 2013 09: 33
    +1
    I remember these days I was standing at a bus stop, and past towards the center of Moscow along the avenue, a column of tanks drove with a soldier armed on armor. That was a sight.
  11. Proud.
    Proud. 3 October 2013 09: 51
    +9
    Hundreds of patriots were killed.No, probably tychyachi. The defense of the House of Soviets was led by Vice-President A. Rutskoi, Chairman of the Supreme Council R. Khasbulatov The defense was headed? Yeah ... More like provocateurs, who then surrendered successfully. And the real defenders died.People speaking from patriotic, Russian national positions have become practically outcasts.Letter from "forty-two." in particular, the newspapers Den, Sovetskaya Rossiya, Literaturnaya Rossiya, Pravda, as well as the TV program 600 Seconds, to suspend the activities of the Soviets, and also to declare illegitimate not only the Congress of People's Deputies and the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation, but also all bodies formed by them (including the Constitutional Court). The writers demanded to ban and "disperse" all illegal paramilitary and armed formations operating in the country. And here are the signatories: Ales Adamovich
    Anatoly Ananiev
    Victor Astafiev
    Artyom Anfinogenov
    Bella Akhmadulina
    Grigory Baklanov
    Zori Balayan
    Tatyana Beck
    Alexander Borshchagovsky
    Vasyl Bykov
    Boris Vasilyev
    Alexander Gelman
    Daniel Granik
    Yuri Davydov
    Daniil Danin
    Andrey Dementiev
    Mikhail Dudin
    Alexander Ivanov
    Edmund Iodkovsky
    Rimma Kazakova
    Sergey Kaledin
    Yuri Karjakin
    Yakov Kostyukovsky
    Tatyana Kuzovleva
    Alexander Kushner
    Yuri Levitansky
    Dmitry Likhachev
    Yuri Nagibin
    Andrey Nuykin
    Bulat Okudzhava
    Valentin Oskotsky
    Grigory Pozhenyan
    Anatoly Pristavkin
    Leo Acceleration
    Alexander Rekemchuk
    Robert Christmas
    Vladimir Saveliev
    Vasily Selyunin
    Yuri Chernichenko
    Andrey Chernov
    Marietta Chudakova
    Mikhail Chulaki. "Conscience", with ... ah, the nation.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 3 October 2013 16: 19
      +5
      Quote: Be proud.
      Mikhail Chulaki. "Conscience", with ... ah, the nation.

      Immediately I remembered - "This is not the conscience of the nation, but stinking shit!"
      1. 225chay
        225chay 3 October 2013 17: 13
        +5
        this list needs to be replenished with many more figures whom everyone knows and it is time to create a MEMORY BOOK for descendants where all the criminal acts of the "Elite of the Nation"
        1. Prohor
          Prohor 4 October 2013 14: 08
          0
          Can you learn about the "criminal acts" of Bykov, Likhachev and Rozhdestvensky? request
  12. Ulysses
    Ulysses 3 October 2013 10: 00
    18
    "The officers of the 4th TP of the 12th TD, who distinguished themselves in Moscow on October 4, followed the" western contract "route. On November 26, 1994, the crews of three tank columns that entered Grozny with the money of Yeltsin and the FSK to storm the local" White House " at the very first shots, they abandoned their tanks and surrendered.Of the mercenary officers who fired for money on October 4, 1993 from T-80 tanks at the House of Soviets, on November 26, 1994, 4 commanders of those tank Kantemirovsk crews ran to the Dudayevites. mercenaries, "tankers" gave out all their employers (they were hired to shoot from tanks for 6 million rubles at the nose), resentingly telling that the FSK promised them a safe walk and an easy victory (apparently, as in Moscow in 1993 - over women and children), and “those” suddenly started shooting too.

    Among the mercenaries who surrendered to the Chechens was Captain Rusakov (in October 1993 - senior lieutenant of the 12th TP of the 4th TD). In October 1993, it was this mercenary tanker who smugly admitted from the TV screen that back at 17.00 pm on October 4, 1993, he was beating the White House with might and main from his T-80 tank, and when asked by the Aty-Baty TV commentator about the fate women and children in the House of Soviets replied simply: "And my wife sits at home and does not go anywhere ..." "
    http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1042947/
    1. slaventi
      slaventi 3 October 2013 14: 52
      +4
      Among the mercenaries who surrendered to the Chechens was Captain Rusakov (in October 1993 - senior lieutenant of the 12th TP of the 4th TD). In October 1993, it was this mercenary tanker who smugly admitted from the TV screen that back at 17.00 pm on October 4, 1993, he was beating the White House with might and main from his T-80 tank, and when asked by the Aty-Baty TV commentator about the fate women and children in the House of Soviets replied simply: "And my wife sits at home and does not go anywhere ..." "

      I wonder what now with these bastard mercenaries?
  13. virm
    virm 3 October 2013 10: 06
    10
    Shoigu was on the side of the attackers. Direct participant. And not just standing aside.
  14. Prometey
    Prometey 3 October 2013 10: 40
    10
    In my opinion, A. Samsonov somewhat idealizes the situation - there was no question about the future of Russia in October 1993 - this issue was finally resolved in August 1991. The usual struggle for power. That Yeltsin’s team, that Khasbulatov and Rutskiy only argued about who would further plunder the country. Tank shelling of the White House disgraced the whole world fool
  15. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 3 October 2013 10: 49
    10
    Spiders in a jar ... Only this makes it easier for us!
  16. Watson J.
    Watson J. 3 October 2013 11: 04
    15
    Quote: sapsan14
    Good afternoon!
    20 years have passed ... Could save the country ... Conscience gnaws even now ...

    In 93 it was already impossible to save, Elbon bought an army, and it seems that it would not have been possible without a civil war, too much was done by the enemies to strengthen it in the two years after the "putsch".
    But in 91 it was like two fingers on the asphalt to change the situation. A bunch of demagogues on Elbon's defense still puzzles me - how is that? Have you seen in the live broadcasts at the White House anarchists painting penises on the walls and obscene slogans? Have you seen drunks tamping money with bottles? Have you heard WHAT Elbon bleats? Everyone sat at home and waited for the order to be restored for them. And in China they gave the order to the tankers to go. And they drove off. And they brought China to where it is now. Castro decided not to press down with tanks, but turned directly to the workers (physical and intellectual labor). The workers took to the streets, piled on the "reformers" with 3.14 rubles, and the whole programmed "perestroika" was over.
    My opinion (not claiming to be the ultimate truth, just the opinion of a layman) is that the country was pissed away in 91m. There was a real revolutionary situation "the upper classes cannot, but the lower classes do not want to", only in the Soviet version - the upper classes were not able to make the right decision (in fact, they were too liberal), and the lower classes did not want to take an active part in deciding the fate of their country. Part of the blame for this, of course, lies with the same leaders who for many years have eradicated the rebels and raised law-abiding citizens, but part of the blame lies with us. In hard times it was necessary to defend oneself with a club in hand. And the regular communist elite again blundered - it was necessary to go in front of the tanks with cudgels and demolish all this rag. And they would earn credibility and save the country from collapse. In 93rd they tasted the fruits of their political myopia and impotence of 91st.
    I remember very well the reaction of many to the "putsch" of 91. "Finally, they will bring order to the country." Arrest several heaps of destroyers barricaded in "parliaments", and that's it. Elbon in 93m did what had to be done with him in 91m.
    1. berimor
      berimor 3 October 2013 13: 41
      +9
      Quite right! I remember how a neighbor, also a retired officer, happily, with hope turned to me: "Well, at last this mess will stop, the humpbacked asshole will be removed !!! But, unfortunately, cowards turned out to be in power !!!
      Once again I am convinced how right Vladimir Lenin was when he said: "A revolution can win if it knows how to defend itself!"
    2. sapsan14
      sapsan14 3 October 2013 13: 59
      12
      Good afternoon!
      I agree that in 93 it was too late.
      But there was a chance. And in 91 they sold everything cleanly. We waited for an order to close this "theater" for two days. Several times were translated into super-duper readiness. Then again "hang up". And all that was needed was the "face" command.
      But unfortunately the time of statesmen ended, nobody took responsibility, the time of traders and traitors began ...
    3. Pushkar
      Pushkar 3 October 2013 19: 23
      0
      In 1991 no one followed Yanaev and Co. It hurts everyone to be sick of the "president of the USSR" For six years everything fell to such and such a mother. And it was not anarchists with penises, not drunks, who took to the streets, but ordinary Muscovites. Another question, when did the lower classes take part in "deciding the fate of their country"? The collapse of the country was already a fait accompli, and you are with a club. I wanted Krovushka, the Yugoslav version? And in 1993 there was an elementary fight for power. Correctly one of the members of the forum quoted Shakespeare: "A plague on both your houses!"
  17. dmb
    dmb 3 October 2013 11: 09
    +9
    I just don’t understand what prevented Civil War both sides talk about. In Chechnya, it already went and continued, and the rest of Russia, both sides were deep ... Remember where else. except Moscow, someone rushed to defend that Supreme Council. About the second side, I do not even speak. But at that time there was an organized force that could knock out both lascivious parties without much bloodshed. Communist Party. The people had already tasted the first fruits of democracy, and Yeltsin, Gaidar, Khasbulatov and Rutskoi were equally dear to him. And here the first question for Gene is still involved in political striptease.
  18. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 3 October 2013 11: 09
    16
    Interestingly, a monument to EBN for whose money they put ... And for what merit ?! Well, at least kill me, I can’t understand everything!
    1. ImpKonstantin
      ImpKonstantin 3 October 2013 13: 50
      +8
      "Brothers" were put on, but for what merits it is clear.
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 4 October 2013 06: 11
        +2
        A logical remark, if we recall the criminal past of EBN, and the heyday of the Uralmashev group, and not only that.
  19. samoletil18
    samoletil18 3 October 2013 11: 11
    +2
    The exact number of victims is still a mystery. And then I didn’t care whose take - the country is already past due ... whether. Only then (and now) was insanely sorry for the deceived and random, but in most innocent victims
  20. Day 11
    Day 11 3 October 2013 11: 51
    +4
    Normal military and Ministry of Internal Affairs-shniki did not want to participate in this orgy and began to send fragile minds there. My friend at that time was in the 3rd year of the Voronezh Higher School of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. So they, the cadets, were thrown there into the cordon. He told what happened there after all this . As the colonels "vacuumed" the building, they dragged everything right up to spoons and forks, and then they were allowed to take, but there was already nothing special to take there. Some kind of alarm clock was tidied up. Seemingly ordinary, but from the office of one person (we will do without a surname)
  21. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 3 October 2013 13: 16
    +7
    we lost earlier in 1991 .. although at that time I thought in infancy that we won on the contrary.
    1. alone
      alone 3 October 2013 23: 33
      +3
      correctly noticed. the loss was then. when the hunchbacked bear became the secretary general, the loss was then when the drunk was raised to the tank. and here the 93rd always loses the echo of those losses.
  22. Altona
    Altona 3 October 2013 13: 51
    +9
    To be honest, I also can’t accept the excessive pathos of the article and hanging directly opposite ratings every 20 years, exalting either one or the other ... Many people who left the White House with their hands up did not lose, but even gained many times ... Something some of the pitfalls are still hidden ... I think that final assessments are not yet possible ... Yes, and it didn’t draw on the scale of the revolution, but a maximum on a palace coup, at least from whatever angle you look ... People were there of course different and their interests were not common in everything ...
  23. slaventi
    slaventi 3 October 2013 14: 01
    +9
    The October 3-4 coup and its preceding events were a special operation of the CIA and traitors inside Russia for its final enslavement. Yeltsin was a direct US protege, American advisers worked in Silaev’s government with Yeltsin, before the collapse of the USSR. The consequence of these events was the collapse of the economy and the genocide of the people. memory of the fallen for their homeland!
  24. washi
    washi 3 October 2013 15: 29
    +6
    Yeltsin shot the deputies and he was greeted by the whole West.
    And if GDP does too?
    Maybe it’s ALREADY time to move to executions and confiscations?
    PEOPLE gave the go-ahead in the elections.
    If you do not live up to expectations, then the sadness of Russia.
    There will be a civil war.
    They are simply tired of Medvedev's initiatives with the company. Stupid "managers" and "delapoops" got tired of it.
  25. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 October 2013 15: 38
    +4
    I well remember the events of October 1993 of the year. He was repeatedly near the White House. Closer did not allow the police cordon. I saw the priest trying to get into the Supreme Council building. But they did not miss him. The main conclusion about those events is the attitude of the majority of the population towards current events. Ordinary people came up to the cordon, were interested in something and went about their business. In opposition Yeltsin and the Supreme Council decided the fate of the country, and ordinary people lived their own lives. Big politics was decided without the people ...
  26. slaventi
    slaventi 3 October 2013 16: 05
    +1

    What led to the shooting of parliament.
  27. smart ass
    smart ass 3 October 2013 16: 13
    +3
    Only civil war can be worse than war. There is nothing worse when a Russian shoots a Russian for a "just cause"
  28. Garrym
    Garrym 3 October 2013 17: 11
    +8
    The guys above correctly say: in 91 it was necessary to disperse the gathering in Belovezhskaya Pushcha !!! There they sold and distributed their homeland, in 93 they already fought for someone who would get the Russian hunk .. And it’s not only a shame for the power, but also for the people whose country was ruined ..
  29. GUSAR
    GUSAR 3 October 2013 17: 13
    +4
    Our valiant army and special services pr.o ... a.s. and the country in 1991, and then they themselves finished it off in 1993, and then cried that they didn’t pay their salaries for months, but what they wanted- then guys ?! Volodya, of course, is not a gift either, but at least he won’t allow such a mess, and thanks for that ...
  30. alekss30
    alekss30 3 October 2013 17: 39
    +9
    Let those beasts who cursed the country 20 years ago be damned. I really hope that at least someone will be brought to justice. We are still reaping the fruits of the work of the Borka-alcoholic team and its successor
  31. smart ass
    smart ass 3 October 2013 18: 14
    +3
    What creatures ??? No one will be imprisoned ... all the posts have already been cut in the government
  32. sergey261180
    sergey261180 3 October 2013 18: 17
    +4
    There is only one conclusion: good must be with fists.
  33. Pushkar
    Pushkar 3 October 2013 19: 27
    0
    Is Makashov something good?
  34. Volkhov
    Volkhov 3 October 2013 20: 11
    0
    Democrats and security officers steered on both sides, and at the end of the confrontation it turned out that we had been merged, and the patriot Yeltsin, who did not allow us to finish off the militia of the armed forces, as the democrats demanded. According to Stalin, in the matter of seizing power, one must go all the way or not at all.
  35. Alone
    Alone 3 October 2013 20: 22
    +2
    In August 91, three people fell ill ("fallen" in defense of fucking from the terrible GKChP), so they, it seems, even erected a monument. And like those hundreds, October 93, who died because of weaklings ..
    1. Col.
      Col. 4 October 2013 09: 37
      +2
      Quote: Alone
      In August 91, three people fell ill ("fallen" in defense of fucking from the terrible GKChP), so they, it seems, even erected a monument


      With these three crazy teenagers, EBN awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union (eprst, forgive me, my God). They were even immortalized on postage stamps. Their surnames, if memory serves Usov, Krichevsky and Komar. Any people are sorry, but it is incomprehensible that such a depreciation of the country's top rank. Even the tennis player who won the Kremlin Cup in due time, the same EBN awarded (or wanted to assign) a Hero. Where does it fit ?!
  36. maratenok
    maratenok 3 October 2013 20: 59
    +5
    which country prosrali
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 3 October 2013 23: 41
      -5
      Quote: maratenok
      which country prosrali

      Which one? Russia, it seems, is intact. Do you really need the Baltic states? Georgia? To continue to feed? Central Asia and now in Russia more than necessary.
      1. Prohor
        Prohor 4 October 2013 14: 21
        -3
        Really, which one? A country that is worth something is impossible to shave! Come on, ruin Germany or the USA ...
        The USSR of the 91st year was doomed, and its glorious past had nothing to do with it.
  37. dm98900
    dm98900 3 October 2013 21: 28
    +2
    The anniversary of the coup in Russia - citizens who took part in the coup on the side of the Yeltsin family should be put on a fair trial and severely punished ... for the most part, these are Jewish dissident clans who received preferences after the victory of the conspirators! I remember how Akhidzhakova called to kill the defenders of Russia to the last fighter !!! zhidovskaya..a Putin is the protégé of the Yeltsin family .. who argues with this .. all these bad guys Chubais Gaidara and Pozner .. his comrades and brothers in business!
  38. Passer
    Passer 3 October 2013 21: 38
    +3
    I communicate with young people from 30 and younger, which is the most annoying thing, that practically none of them not only knows about those events, but they have no position on this. They are just not interested.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 3 October 2013 23: 37
      0
      Why insulting? Because they are not so politicized? Because they do not cry from grief, that they could not lay down their heads for any idea?
      1. Passer
        Passer 4 October 2013 05: 48
        +3
        And now no one is politicized, turnout at the mayoral election in Moscow is 26%.
        Indeed, in 41 the people were more politicized, so they "managed to lay down their heads for any idea."
  39. tomket
    tomket 4 October 2013 00: 21
    0
    The question is, today in the dock movie I heard that in the 93 year, when the Barkashovites were taken abroad, the Yak-42 was the same as the one that crashed with the hockey team, and the pilot was the same. And what was the official version of the death? after retraining with yak 40 pilot mixed up the brake and gas pedals? Do not clarify the situation?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 4 October 2013 00: 33
      0
      There are GAS pedals on the airplane, there is an throttle control stick for the engine, the pedals control in the direction, and when braking and taking off and landing.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 4 October 2013 00: 35
        0
        Accident of the Yak-42 RA-42434 in Yaroslavl. Reconstruction of the IAC
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 4 October 2013 00: 36
          0
          IAC report on the Yak-42 disaster in Yaroslavl
          1. tomket
            tomket 4 October 2013 01: 15
            +1
            By years of release, the board by the way fits the voiced version of 93 year.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 4 October 2013 01: 20
              0
              I wrote on another branch, it was assigned to the terminal Cosmos, Vnukovo-3
  40. Crang
    Crang 5 October 2013 00: 58
    -1
    In general, our tanks shot well. With excitement. Just do not understand in hogo?
  41. RoTTor
    RoTTor 5 October 2013 01: 10
    0
     Behold at the root: the cause of the collapse of the USSR is personnel policy since Khrushchev's times. Yeltsin, Kravchuk and all the traitorous scum are those who, according to a clean, or rather, carelessly checked by the State Security Committee, a "correct" questionnaire, toadying, ability to drink, "cover a clearing" to their superiors and climbed upward, having no principles and nothing sacred. Their own domestic traitors and Christ-sellers, and not sent spies.
     The leadership of the army, the KGB, and so on, also matched that. The Emergency Committee in 1991 was not able to do anything, because there were the same nominees. Undoubtedly, a decent and wonderful man, front-line soldier General Varennikov contracted paralysis of will - when he arrived in Kiev, he did not dare to give the “face” command to the most powerful of the military districts, the troops of which were commanded by a thief, coward and rogue colonel general of the Chechevata. Afghan thunders hatched eggs in his office on Zhitnaya Square, then he lied that he was not in Moscow.
     In Bialowieza the only decisive platoon or company was not enough to shoot the traitors of the Motherland.
     It is natural that, with 18 million "members" of the CPSU, there were no real communists in the leadership — they simply weren’t allowed to go upstairs.
     I had to happen to be in Moscow in August 1991 and October 1993. In 1991, many had at least some enthusiasm. In 1993, vicious indifference caught my eye: people bought seats on balconies and roofs in order to stare at the White House for money. Some of the attackers could not stand it and cackled at such spectators. I did it right!
     In the provinces - there was complete indifference and alarming expectation, although most of the regional councils of Russia voted in favor of the legality of the power of Rutsky and the Council. I kept a fax to the Bryansk regional council with the noted resolutions of other regional councils.
     Most of the intellectuals who signed the ill-fated letter are decent and disinterested people, far from court political intrigues.
     Until now, the disgusting feeling that the report on the shooting of the White House was shown by the Americans “with a feeling of deep satisfaction”.
     The Yeltsin gang was seriously afraid that volunteers from Pridnestrovie would come to Moscow, because the railway communication between Russia and Ukraine could then cease at the first command. Nobody went anywhere ...
     Well, about the “Beitar snipers” - canine bullshit - from the insanity or incompetence of the author.
  42. Crang
    Crang 5 October 2013 01: 18
    +2
    Quote: RoTTor
    Behold it at the root: the cause of the collapse of the USSR is personnel policy since Khrushchev's times. Yeltsin, Kravchuk and all the traitorous scum are those who, according to a clean, or rather, carelessly checked by the GB, "correct" questionnaire, toadying,

    You still accuse Stalin of betrayal ... When "Khrushche" (which, unlike you, for example, fought in the Second World War), if you did not know, we were the first to fly into space. And under Lenka, they generally lived the best in the world. The old ones who died in a year all the time are also not to blame for him (due to their age). So Yeltsin - and other "thimblers", "money changers", etc. Something that got drunk enough in the 90s. And when does such an alpha scum raise its head? When normal human omega power weakens. For example, due to age.
  43. scientist
    scientist 6 October 2013 14: 17
    0
    Somehow, the memoirs of the head of the CIA about the events of 90-93, where he wrote: "The United States spent hundreds of billions of dollars annually on the arms race and attempts to destroy the Soviet economy. Why couldn't we figure out earlier that it was enough to spend 4 billion $ to bribe the politicians of the USSR so that they themselves would destroy their country. "
    I think that the time has not yet come for a historical assessment of the scale of betrayal and treason, which was made at that time by the leadership of the USSR and Russia.
    At that time, the country had a level of b.g. military danger, with a restriction on mobilization. We didn’t part with weapons, we even slept with him. One thing was clear that the army would defend its people in any case. But it is not clear to us on whose side the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be. At that time, there were constantly clashes with the cops, sometimes even with shooting. And if mass demonstrations and rallies had begun, the Ministry of Internal Affairs would have been ready for the toughest measures.
    Now, many who took part in the coup d'etat with the shooting of the White House are still in power. Many have made their capital in the chaos and chaos of the 90s so far in big business and influence the policies of Russia and the CIS countries.
    Therefore, it takes time to leave a generation of mentally ill politicians and influential criminals, then society will have a chance to recover and appreciate this historical tragedy.
  44. PValery53
    PValery53 7 October 2013 21: 18
    +1
    The main "merit" of Yeltsin - "in gratitude" for all his tricks in favor of America, the Americans "allowed" to connect Russia to the world Internet. And the rest is a painful desire for absolute power. Having achieved it, he showed his complete inadequacy to the urgent tasks of Russia. This is what the impunity of the highest power leads to!