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Analytical program of Mikhail Leontiev "However" October 01 2013

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Against the background of our well-known fiscal and economic turmoil, I would like to draw attention to strategic positive. But he is. And you can even see and touch it. At least on the example of two past exhibitions of weapons only. It - aviation MAX and land "Nizhny Tagil".

But there is a sense in these exhibitions that is difficult to understand for outside experts and even importers of our weapons. For the first time in many years, we are showing new ultra-modern equipment, which the Russian army is purchasing on a massive scale. Yes, with problems, but a fundamentally new Bulava ballistic missile was adopted. This is the basis for strategic deterrence for the coming decades. Radically new families of land equipment are being created - tanksfighting vehicles. The latest S-400 air defense systems are coming into service and the next S-500 is already in line. Since 2008, a contract was signed for the supply to the armed forces of fighters, front-line bombers, carrier-based fighters, and transport aircraft — a total of 416 new-built aircraft. Already purchased the 55 best in the world combat training aircraft Yak-130.

"In general, this great aircraft is in fact. The best combat training machine, probably, in the world. Made with enthusiasm and imagination, with Italian money, when nobody paid anything. We would not have a car ... Amazing" - says the pilot.

Well, here, in general, there is nothing to add, except that if it were not for this colossal program, we would already not have an army capable of protecting the country from any serious threat.

"Our foreign policy triumph, by the way, is directly connected with the state defense order, because a country that does not have a modern army does not triumph in foreign policy triumphs in principle." - says director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Ruslan Pukhov.

It really is. And this is not only defense and security. If we can create weapon, equal and superior to the best world samples, it means that we have and will have science, technology, industry, collected bit by bit from the same heaped ruins. And most importantly - people. Creative, sorry for the expression class.

“In the same context, I consider it extremely important to raise the prestige and reputation of the creative class of our Russian defense industry,” said Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

This is really so. This is our real creative class - designers, engineers, workers and scientists who create completely new knowledge and skills. And not ponovataya office plot with Bolotnaya. And we can grow this class in the first place in the defense industry. And then from there build a civilian high-tech. What the Soviet Union could not do because Soviet industrialization outside the defense sector turned out to be a complete failure.

"In general, we are on the verge of a new weapons program. This is the 2016-2025 weapons program. It will be devoted entirely to innovation, the creation of robotics, the creation of weapons on new physical principles. And most importantly, technology transfer to the civilian economy. And we want upon completion of the Armament Program, a society that understands that we are taking heavy expenditures on defense and security will tell us "Thank you!" for having, in fact, implementing a state armament program, put the country on the path of a new industry alization ", - said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

But we really don’t have another way to truly modernize the country.
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  1. a52333
    a52333 2 October 2013 09: 30 New
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    Soviet industrialization outside the defense industry proved to be a complete failure.
    Well, not so indiscriminately, energy worked well, but overall, yes. I agree.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 2 October 2013 09: 40 New
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      u not so indiscriminately, energy worked well

      And good energy is needed, for example, to produce aluminum. And where did he mostly go?
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 2 October 2013 09: 51 New
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        Sorry about the topic. BUT
        Medvedev will be dismissed at the end of October. The communists decided on a decisive date

        The Communists will vote on the resignation of the Medvedev government at the same time as they consider the budget for the 2014 – 2016 years — on the 20 of October. More than a hundred deputies of the lower house of the Russian parliament are ready to vote for a cabinet change and, as the Communist Party hopes, in the coming month they will be able to replenish the ranks of their supporters, the Izvestia newspaper writes.

        Recall that the Communist Party decided to take advantage of the provision of the law, according to which the parliament is obliged to consider any initiative that will gain more than one hundred thousand signatures in support. Initially, the Communists opposed only Education Minister Dmitry Livanov, but because of the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, they decided to dismiss the entire government. In the summer of 2013, the Communist Party brought up this issue for discussion. At this point, they assure the party, 2 million signatures have already been collected, while their number is constantly growing.

        The Communist Party has no illusions that the question of resignation will succeed on the first try. In order for the decision to be legitimate, more than half of the deputies — at least 226 people — must speak out against Dmitry Medvedev. So far, 92 communist and nine just-Russians are ready to vote for the resignation.

        http://ura.ru/content/svrd/25-09-2013/news/1052166043.html

        Votes may not be enough, but there, they probably will not, but the trend however.
        By the way, Ivanov as an option instead of a nedimon, it’s been too much of him (Ivanov) recently.
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 2 October 2013 10: 20 New
          31
          In addition to all the evil that he brought to the country, it’s so disgusting to watch it on TV - he literally LOVES himself when he “carries” something (nonsense), and they take it off ... It would be more likely that they would completely REMOVE it !
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 2 October 2013 10: 22 New
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            So the tip of the iceberg is undead. He’s just a kid with an iPhone ...
            1. matross
              matross 2 October 2013 10: 40 New
              13
              So the Communists want to remove the entire government, and not just the baby. If the resignation takes a ride, there is a chance that people will come with a normal understanding of the country's development paths.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 2 October 2013 10: 42 New
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                Oh, God forbid, I really want adequate government.
                1. Denis_Rossiya
                  Denis_Rossiya 2 October 2013 11: 13 New
                  +7
                  How many times has the government changed?! .... and the result .... you can hope for adequate .... but the story speaks differently. Clear business at such posts you will not please everyone and you won’t be nice to everyone .... In general, I myself have been waiting for this shift for a long time !!!
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 2 October 2013 16: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: matRoss
                If resignation takes a ride, there is a chance that people will come with a normal understanding of the country's development paths.
              3. Evgeniy-111
                Evgeniy-111 2 October 2013 16: 56 New
                11
                Where can I get them, normal ?!
                Normal people don’t go that high!
              4. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 2 October 2013 23: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: matRoss
                So the Communists want to remove the entire government, and not just the baby. If the resignation takes a ride, there is a chance that people will come with a normal understanding of the country's development paths.


                Where do they come from? From the street? Again, change the awl for soap.
            2. novobranets
              novobranets 2 October 2013 19: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: klimpopov
              He’s just a kid with an iPhone ...

              a radio-controlled toy, and a remote control repeat in the hands of another.
          2. smile
            smile 2 October 2013 18: 30 New
            +8
            ia-ai00
            You, as a real woman, subtly noticed the emotional component of his behavior — before you became president — he walked like a waiter in the “What you like” half-bend ... later you literally oozed complacency ... he talks to people lazily, condescendingly and contemptuously .. I was surprised with what a deliberate sense of superiority in an interview in absentia put Pu in place when Pu sharply spoke out against the Libyan Crusade - they say this is just a private opinion - an opinion, I am the president, I decide what kind of foreign policy Russia will have. ..fuck ...
          3. oSeR
            oSeR 2 October 2013 22: 04 New
            0
            He also grunts when he talks ... :))))
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 2 October 2013 10: 42 New
          +1
          Oh, interestingly he threw a sleeper Nedimon? il his accomplices? laughing
        3. ATATA
          ATATA 2 October 2013 10: 49 New
          +7
          Quote: klimpopov
          Votes may not be enough, but there, they probably will not, but the trend however.
          By the way, Ivanov as an option instead of a nedimon, it’s been too much of him (Ivanov) recently.

          -I don’t like Ivanov ..
          -Do not like do not eat. laughing hi
          1. Orel
            Orel 2 October 2013 11: 12 New
            +7
            And good energy is needed, for example, to produce aluminum. And where did he mostly go?


            Well, about good energy, this is debatable. Good energy, this energy is primarily very cheap. From this, the whole economy gets developed, cheap energy reduces the cost of everything. To say that we have cheap energy, I think an exaggeration. It is very bad that the oil and gas lobby does not allow Russia to develop renewable energy and thereby inhibits the development of the country. Russia has tremendous opportunities for the production of renewable energy, just an incredible potential, but it is not being realized ...
            1. carver
              carver 2 October 2013 16: 41 New
              +9
              We have a very fattening top in energy management, very clever TOP managers who have never worked in this very energy sector. In principle, this is now in almost all areas of activity in Russia.
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        4. DPN
          DPN 2 October 2013 12: 02 New
          +5
          I strongly doubt that Putin passed it; against the background of a dimon, he is a hero, and Serdyukov’s example.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 2 October 2013 12: 17 New
            +4
            For me, an iPhone-player and his gang are a watering can for everyone with a bone in their throat ..
          2. New Russia
            New Russia 2 October 2013 18: 06 New
            -1
            Against the background of Yeltsin and Medvedev, even Putin is a hero :)
        5. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 2 October 2013 21: 28 New
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          Quote: klimpopov
          Sorry about the topic. BUT
          Medvedev will be dismissed at the end of October. The communists decided on the decisive


          Sorry. This communist trick is a pure show off in the spirit of the American parliament, which is fighting with the president. Such jokes must be severely punished. And then apparently they pay little attention, they decided to light up.

          I will give the demon a demon, but this is not the figure for which you need to break your head, they will twitch to build it up without the communists.
        6. 2vladim2
          2vladim2 2 October 2013 21: 36 New
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          Of course, they won’t get votes. It’s as clear as a white day. But regarding Ivanov, I have to agree with you. Do you often talk about him? what is it for ? This is the last interview he gave to three or four editions directly on the plane. Painfully quick, he answered questions. One gets the impression that he knows something, but openly until he talks about it. And suddenly)))
      2. a52333
        a52333 2 October 2013 11: 06 New
        +6
        Well, not only that. Modern metallurgy is a serious consumer. and by the way she was also in full order.
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 2 October 2013 13: 59 New
      +5
      Something Leontyev sang a nightingale request . He used to comment more harshly, but now he has started “having no analogues in the world”. It is time for him to return to the economy and there to comment on the initiatives of our eccentric who has no analogues in the world - the prime minister.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 2 October 2013 18: 10 New
        +7
        Quote: Botanologist
        Something Leontyev sang a nightingale

        Nationality (and a profession) he has such, as ordered and sings!
        "" In the same context, I consider it extremely important to raise the prestige and reputation of the creative class of our Russian defense industry "" - I completely forgot the Russian language! Creative panimaaash!
        "" In general, we are on the verge of a new weapons program. This is an armament program for 2016-2025. It will be devoted entirely to innovations, the creation of robotics, "- In general, trouble! We have no plants left which produce the right quantities for the army, for the artillery, and this one dreams of robots. Robots are certainly good, but what kind of robots are there when there are not enough shells for guns !!!
        http://svoim.info/201339/?39_1_2
        “Back in 2006, A. Belyaninov, the head of the Federal Defense Order Service, who was sent away from the sin, to the customs, admitted:“ Suffice it to say that we no longer produce ammunition ... The army is experiencing an acute shortage of modern ammunition. Ammunition forces have to spend an untouchable reserve, which decreased to 20-25% of the required level ... Industrial production completely lost the technology of more than 100 types of ammunition, which determine the combat capabilities of many weapons systems ... Artillery, tanks, planes, helicopters were left without shells, mines and other military means. ”
        1. smile
          smile 2 October 2013 18: 45 New
          +3
          S_mirnov
          Yes, he doubted, for you, absolutely right, only one is honest and incorruptible. who is yelling about the Putin regime and about the fact that everything was lost ... in theory, Novodvorskaya and Gozman are suitable for the role of your ideal ...
          By the way, the ammunition industry was in the corral back in Soviet times ... and we were lagging behind them ... what can we say about now, there the Soviet backlog was less, that’s the situation worse ... but turn a blind eye to what is positive shifts ... oh, how ponavalnovsky ... :))) You can grieve, I think, we will break through ... :)))
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 2 October 2013 21: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: smile
            .in theory, Novodvorskaya and Gozman are suitable for the role of your ideal ...

            Very subtle, intelligent statement fool I don’t even know who Gozman is, but idealizing Novodvorskaya is a sick, non-sexual fantasy.
            Quote: smile
            By the way, the ammunition industry was in the pen in Soviet times ...

            No need to drive to the USSR. Our Gauleiters are still destroying ammunition depots (by the method of explosion) and they can’t destroy the stockpiles created by the USSR. But keep quiet about it and pretend that all tip-top is the policy of Nashi and Edra and probably your ideal - Sveta Kuritsynnoy!
            1. smile
              smile 3 October 2013 00: 34 New
              +1
              S_mirnov
              :))) See. whether, what a thing, if you compare your texts and the sayings of Novodvorskaya, then in assessing the authorities you are not just dreaming like brothers are like twins ... respectively, whose fantasy is this? :))) But Gozman is the same as Novodvorskaya. just younger. and man. I see no more special differences .... in vain you do not know him, I repeat. assessment of the authorities and wait ... I will not say by whom. almost identical to yours ... but you, of course, will not think about why your speeches are consonant with the speeches of the inveterate Russophobes - you obviously do not want to think ... or maybe someone who forbade you, is threatening? :)))

              And the fact that the ammunition industry has always lagged behind is well known to everyone, with rare exceptions (and missile armament), we were lagging behind in terms of nomenclature and capabilities of ammunition and were usually catching up ... they often exceeded in terms of names and ammunition. Take an interest in experts, and then be filled with noble fury ... and that does not look serious. :)))
              It’s better to be a Light chicken than a Bozena chicken, also against the regime :))). and even more so Novodvorskaya, it’s more suitable for you by age ... :)))
              By the way. just such. like Sveta Kuritsyna, it’s your target audience, you have no brains, you can’t think, you can’t evaluate the actions of the authorities, you can believe in a couple of uncomplicated pan-slogan slogans, are they the simplest ones you’ve noticed? .... :))))
      2. smile
        smile 2 October 2013 18: 38 New
        +5
        Botanologist
        It’s just that Leontiev does not belong to the dull tribe of all-companions - he is objective - if we have successes, he pays tribute to the achievements of the Government, if failures, he also criticizes its actions. Of course he does too. it happens, to be mistaken, but he is smart and tries to be objective, for which I respect him ... or do you think that only someone who chews on ... polymers is right? :))) It seems like it does not look like you. :)))
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 2 October 2013 21: 41 New
          +7
          Quote: smile
          It’s just that Leontiev doesn’t belong to the dismal tribe of all-companions - he is objective -


          Yes, this surprised me - "having no analogues in the world." I met him a couple of times, quite a sensible journalist from the economy. Why voice extremes. Moreover, in relation to the Yak-130 it is not at all worthwhile to admire the machine as a "combat training". Training - normal, but as a combat .... I would not look for "world analogues".

          Quote: smile
          in your opinion, only one who chews on ... polymers is right?


          Yes you. I usually write my opinion, and I filter the “pronounced polymers”, as well as “everyone sold to the West”, “the circle of the masons, and so on.”
          hi
          1. smile
            smile 3 October 2013 00: 44 New
            +3
            Botanologist
            Wow, I envy. !!! I would love to chat with him and argue for some moments ....
            And why did he say so in this article - I think he understands that all the adversaries must lie in opposition - because when he criticizes the authorities, the polymer workers listen with their mouth open, when they praise, they scream that they have advanced, they have one-sided perception ... maybe he is trying to neutralize their lies in this way ... and maybe it’s still easier - maybe he doesn’t understand the technique and just retold what he was told ... get out, ride on a spark, he’s, of course, happy, here, on emotions and said ... :)))
    3. honest jew
      honest jew 2 October 2013 19: 49 New
      0
      To listen to Leontiev, everything in Russia is straightforward ... Another tryndun paid by anti-people’s power ...
      1. Volkolak
        Volkolak 2 October 2013 20: 29 New
        +7
        Quote: honest Jew
        anti-people power ...

        ??? !! "anti-people" is for whom ?! For us, the Slavs? Or for you Jews? You never cease to amaze me.

        Quote: honest Jew
        . Another tryndun,

        Something I didn’t see, so that your brother would work hard, tryndet is a worthy occupation for a Jew, like insuring soldiers in war (I still remember with a smile).
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 2 October 2013 20: 39 New
          0
          Do not speak for the Slavs :) Slavs for 13 years of Putin 4 and a half million destroyed. Your Putin has been a popular favorite for a year, to put it mildly, judging by his ratings :)
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 2 October 2013 20: 41 New
            +2
            Probably Putin, huh? And what is his rating?
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 2 October 2013 21: 06 New
              -2
              Judging by the fact that Putin has been in power for 13 years, Putin :) http://www.vened.org/news/5184-22072012.html http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1218864/
            2. smile
              smile 2 October 2013 21: 28 New
              +4
              Arabist
              Eh, I can’t support you - New Russia, which can rightly be called the New Order, introduced me to the emergency situation, hid myself, a young Nazi ... :)))
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 2 October 2013 21: 44 New
                +4
                Quote: smile
                hid, a young Nazi ... :)))


                She is not a Nazi. She is a nationalist of dpnyshnogo sense. Young yet, Mosk is controlled by hormones.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 2 October 2013 22: 10 New
                  -3
                  I’m ideological, don’t try to cure :) And to put it mildly a very stupid boor I banned so that I don’t read nonsense when a person says there is no interethnic hatred with Caucasians clearly not in adequate :)
                  1. chehywed
                    chehywed 2 October 2013 22: 32 New
                    -2
                    New Russia,by name Kenneth Chachran. Superintendent Kennet Jonson came to us, but he was a German and a man. Well, singer Maxim certainly is, but it's still abnormal. Or could New Nerus be more correct?
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 2 October 2013 22: 42 New
                      -1
                      Kenneth Charchan is a game of letters and meanings, do you want to talk about it? :)
                      1. chehywed
                        chehywed 2 October 2013 22: 43 New
                        +2
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Kenneth Charchan is a game of letters and meanings, do you want to talk about it? :)

                        Let’s. Although I find out what kind of beast this "game of letters and meanings" is.
                      2. New Russia
                        New Russia 2 October 2013 22: 48 New
                        -1
                        This means that apart from me, no one can understand it :)
                      3. chehywed
                        chehywed 2 October 2013 22: 54 New
                        +1
                        Quote: New Russia
                        This means that apart from me, no one can understand it :)

                        It is intelligible ... but it did not add clarity.
                      4. New Russia
                        New Russia 2 October 2013 22: 57 New
                        -1
                        When you came up with a password for Vkontakte, I’m sure you used the same method :)
                      5. chehywed
                        chehywed 2 October 2013 23: 06 New
                        +1
                        Well, as I understand it, I’ll never know why a lady with the nickname “New Rus” has absolutely no Russian name and surname. Did you enter a password in the “full name” column in your account?
                      6. New Russia
                        New Russia 2 October 2013 23: 09 New
                        0
                        Several 282 scared me here, I don’t feel like messing with the cops, so I wrote a name by which it’s not a bit clear who I am :)
                      7. chehywed
                        chehywed 2 October 2013 23: 13 New
                        +2
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Several 282 scared me here, I don’t feel like messing with the cops, so I wrote a name by which it’s not a bit clear who I am :)

                        Anecdote:
                        Stirlitz smashed nonsense. Nonsense squealed softly.
                        on this I wrote a name by which it is not even a bit clear who I am :)

                        Just a minute ... So is Kenneth a man’s name?
                      8. New Russia
                        New Russia 2 October 2013 23: 26 New
                        0
                        To whom nonsense, and to whom not. Is this an interrogation? :) "Kenneth" this name is like one word from the name of one song, male or female, I don’t know :) "Stirlitz smashed the nonsense. The nonsense squealed softly." If you are not from the FSB, then this is about your strange questions :)
                      9. chehywed
                        chehywed 2 October 2013 23: 30 New
                        +3
                        Quote: New Russia
                        If you are not from the FSB, then this is about your strange questions :)

                        The main thing is you don’t mess around ... I'm from there. But why Kenneth Chachran is better than Frosi Burlakova does not understand the whole department. laughing
                      10. New Russia
                        New Russia 2 October 2013 23: 40 New
                        -3
                        Immediately visible cop (FSB) breed is disgusting :) Good luck in your ministry of power, most importantly do not burn lists with the names of employees when the time comes :)
                      11. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 2 October 2013 23: 46 New
                        +5
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Immediately visible cop (FSB) breed disgusting :)


                        And who impresses you? Thieves in the law?
                      12. New Russia
                        New Russia 2 October 2013 23: 47 New
                        -3
                        Thieves in law even have a clue, not like the cops :)
                      13. bask
                        bask 2 October 2013 23: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Thieves in law even have a clue, not like the cops :)

                        Edros politicians do not have any concepts at all. wassat
                      14. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 3 October 2013 00: 01 New
                        +5
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Thieves in law even have a clue, not like the cops :)


                        The cops also have. However, to live by the concepts - it’s you who took the bar steeply. And when what happens, robbery or theft, or something else - run to the thieves to talk about the thieves? So it ends sadly, believe me.
                        Although, in fact, your business. If you want to get into your ass, let’s. Also a topic, then you can feel sorry for yourself poor. And another reason to hate everyone will appear.
                  2. chehywed
                    chehywed 2 October 2013 23: 56 New
                    +3
                    Quote: New Russia
                    Good luck in your ministry of authority, most importantly do not burn lists with the names of employees when the time comes :)

                    Stock up on toilet paper so that it’s not “uncomfortable,”when the time comes,Kenneth. laughing
  • Normal
    Normal 2 October 2013 22: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: smile
    introduced me to the emergency situation, hid, a young Nazi ... :)))

    Quote: Botanologist
    Young yet, Mosk is controlled by hormones.

    Well, you’re just gallant “gentlemen” ... well-mannered and seasoned. With hormones and Muscovite, too, everything is in order - the former are no longer playing, the latter is not yet controlled.
    Are you men ... or goons?
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 3 October 2013 00: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Normal
      Are you men ... or goons?


      Syusyukat on a dating site ... man.
      1. Normal
        Normal 3 October 2013 06: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Botanologist
        Syusyukat on a dating site ... man.


        So all the same redneck ...

        I have three children and I have someone to lisp with. fool
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 3 October 2013 09: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          I have three children and I have someone to lisp with.


          I also have three, so I do not consider it useful to support fanaticism in any manifestations. And then you can get to Allahakbar.
        2. Normal
          Normal 3 October 2013 11: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Botanologist
          I do not consider it useful to support fanaticism in any form

          Maximize is not yet fanaticism. Yes, the lady is young and maximalism at her age is normal.
          It’s better than how our generation, in which the country was destroyed, destroyed production, sold the land, and we looked at it with a smart look and did nothing, but we learned a lot, talked and called for restraint.
          Now the Russians are being replaced by other peoples, and we call all resistance to this, or simply dissatisfaction with it, fanaticism, Nazism, fascism and other crap. But this is not enough for us. We accuse the few effective representatives of the young generation of immaturity, and we mock them; supposedly their mosk is controlled by hormones. Yes, even better hormones than cold mercantile calculation and indifference to everything that does not concern us personally.
          Not Russian fanaticism poses a threat to Russia, namely, Allah Akbar. But for some reason none of the pro-government "notices" an overabundance of hormones and extremism among Caucasians or guest workers from Central Asia. They can. They have this national peculiarity and the "traditional way".
          And the Russians - no, no.
  • smile
    smile 3 October 2013 01: 19 New
    +6
    Normal
    As I understand it, the second you will not grow up, and the first have already won back? So what do you think? a dream of a hormonal explosion?
    This woman, if it is truly a woman, is pure, like a Nazi baby’s tear.
    Speech is developed, the intellect is high, sufficient to competently promote its strong beliefs, of which it is fanatically convinced. A thorough discussion reveals the declarativeness, counterproductiveness and cruelty of the ways to solve problems that she advocates. Recognizes this, but is uncomfortable only because I could not defend my point of view, I personally did not notice a critical assessment of my words. Absolute ruthlessness and a tendency to violent ways to solve any task are characteristic.
    This is not a woman, this is a potential, and maybe already a real enemy of the state. She will kill and will not blink an eye. Anyone. any gender and any age. down to babies.
    And if you think in a dream of lost hormones, then accept my condolences .... Gentleman ... :)))
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 3 October 2013 02: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: smile
      This is not a woman, this is a potential, and maybe already a real enemy of the state ...

      smile . Curiously, this is their massive appearance on the site. Suddenly. Someone supports both the marksman and the golden finger and Kenneth. Or is it the trolls mutate so that normal people are led by the nose?
      1. smile
        smile 3 October 2013 02: 31 New
        +5
        chehywed
        1. The fascists are supported and financed, no matter how obscene it sounds, by the same organizations that excited nationalism in the USSR. It is those who finance from Alekseeva to the committees of soldiers' mothers. Which is especially blasphemous. Here, for example, there is such Maria Bonzler in the Kaliningrad region ... with her husband, formerly Nemanyunas, now also Bonzler .... I don’t even beat animals that bit me or tear ... I feel sorry for them ... but this one would ... a dog, he would have shot without hesitation ... if possible. Normal agent of influence.
        2. The mass phenomenon of such people on the site is most likely not someone’s initiative, but a phenomenon characteristic of the whole country — massive propaganda is bearing fruit.
        3. golden ... this is perhaps another option - just petty Natsiks, who are full in the republics, and whose appearance there they either look through their fingers, or, in some places where they produce them, became more active when they saw that our all-enforcers are beginning to gain the upper hand on the resource ... while they are being harassed, but if the all-embracers become big, they will heal their souls, shower Putin’s regime together with mud .... remember, they aimed at communism, fell into Russia .... the same story, many don’t understand that they’re doing. here are the Smirnovs who will unite with any Russophobes, just to sing the same songs about the anti-people regime
        3. But the Natsiks in the republics and local people who are not Russian, but who are already subject to their nationalist propaganda, will poke at people like this ... New Russia, they say, we have divorced the Nazis ourselves ... and, what’s most annoying, will be right .....

        Here is such a sad story ... this is really only echoes of a psychological war ... recently, the article was ... people, apparently, are not careful ....
      2. chehywed
        chehywed 3 October 2013 02: 50 New
        +1
        Well, what’s already here ... What’s already !!! As Akela said before the fight with the red dogs ...
        "Each of the red dogs is weaker than the wolf, but there are too many of them and even Hatha himself avoids meeting them, but it is better to die in battle than to die fleeing." angry
      3. smile
        smile 3 October 2013 03: 23 New
        +6
        chehywed
        No, no, no ... But Pasaran !!!!! I have already lost my homeland, the USSR ... nowhere else to retreat. And the fact that polymer workers with fascists of different nationalities, including the Russian one, became more active - it’s not at all an indication that the Russian people have gone crazy - they are just more loud .... especially since we all remember what the fate of the redheads is dogs ...- compost. In principle, they are already, initially, compost ... :))))
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 3 October 2013 02: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: smile
    Speech is developed, intelligence is high

    Quote: smile
    their strong beliefs, of which she is fanatically convinced.

    Forgot to add-Character Nordic Persistent wassat
    Quote: smile
    This is not a woman, this is a potential, and maybe already a real enemy of the state.

    Hostility to the state by gender? what wassat Hello toothy drinks
    1. smile
      smile 3 October 2013 03: 43 New
      +1
      Ruslan67
      So .... clawed gave a toothy on the neck .... :))) with a heavy paw ... :)))
      By the way - the "Nordic character" is one of the few inventions by Lioznova, they wrote the characteristics differently. :)))
      Otherwise, I'm right. And the sexual attribute has nothing to do with it, I am reverent towards women. This is not a woman - this is a fanatical ruthless creature that can throw anything. In view of the high intelligence, she is not suitable for suicide bombers, except in the dark, but otherwise .... I have talked enough with her to come to the conclusions made ...
      And I'm not sure that this is a girl, given the "protection measures" already voiced by "her" ... :)))
      So, unfortunately, in this case I am absolutely serious .... and not without reason .... again, unfortunately ...
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 3 October 2013 03: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: smile
      So .... clawed gave a toothy on the neck .... :))) with a heavy paw ... :)))

      This is me joking and loving repeat To increase vitality laughing
      Quote: smile
      This is not a woman - this is a fanatical ruthless creature

      Something like Elsa Koch? perhaps what
      Quote: smile
      Due to high intelligence, suicide bombers are not suitable

      Too smart can shoot their own bully
      Quote: smile
      unfortunately, in this case, absolutely serious .... and not without reason.

      Perhaps I agree -An even a couple of singers from the moderates and even here can pretty shit in the brain
    3. smile
      smile 3 October 2013 04: 49 New
      +2
      Ruslan67
      Yes, I understand that, loving ... :))) I also reject myself the same ...:))) ... You know, after reading your comment, the first association was the only time to be under howitzer shelling ... not intense ... so slightly it got around :))) .. the first thing I saw, stretching out a shaking face from sticky mud ... the white eyes of Vanya Kommunista (a Westerner and the only one among us who managed to join the CPSU) -it’s like ... to give, so to give :)))
      And I am very sorry that you agree with me ... I was happy to make a mistake ... but alas ...
      Sorry, what about you :)))
    4. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 3 October 2013 04: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: smile
      Sorry, what about you :)))

      There will be more toothy and clawed ceremonies to breed drinks
      Quote: smile
      it is unfortunate that you agree with me ...

      You can certainly argue from the spirit of contradiction, but why? If everything is written in capital letters request Although this may not be conviction, it’s a personal insult what Well, you understand wassat
  • Normal
    Normal 3 October 2013 07: 12 New
    -2
    smile

    This woman, ....., is as pure as a Nazi baby’s tear.
    ........
    This is not a woman, this is a potential, and maybe already a real enemy of the state. She will kill and will not blink an eye. Anyone. any gender and any age. down babies.
    ......


    Accusations, defaming the opponent does not mean that you yourself are white and fluffy.

    1. The fascists are supported and financed, no matter how obscene it sounds, by the same organizations that excited nationalism in the USSR
    ......
    2. The mass phenomenon of such people on the site is most likely not someone’s initiative, but a phenomenon characteristic of the whole country — massive propaganda is bearing fruit.
    ......


    Conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories ....

    ..... this is, perhaps, a different option — it’s just small Natsiks, which are full in the republics, and whose appearance there they either look through with their fingers, or, where they produce them, became more active, having seen that our all-enlisters are beginning to gain the upper hand resource ... while they are being harassed, but if the all-embracers become big, they will heal the soul into the soul, together pouring mud on the Putin regime ....
    .......
    these are the Smirnov’s who will unite with any Russophobia, if only they would sing the same songs about the anti-people regime ....


    Yes, no matter how "stamped enemies" raged, there was still no greater Russophobe than the "Putin regime".

    But the Natsiks in the republics and local people who are not Russian, but who are already subject to their nationalist propaganda, will poke at people like this ... New Russia, they say, we have divorced the Nazis ourselves ... and, what’s the most annoying, they’ll be right .....


    Arguments designed to whitewash themselves and place Fafism on any Russian who wants to be aware of himself as a Russian.
    Except for the completely Russophobo-internationalists who fully support the power, no one sees in Russian fascism.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 3 October 2013 09: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      Accusations, defaming an opponent does not mean that you yourself are white and fluffy


      We, in fact, are not discussing the character, but the worldview.

      Quote: Normal
      Except for the completely Russophobo-internationalists who fully support the power, no one sees in Russian fascism.


      You just are not familiar with the individual representatives of this tribe such as Tesak and others. But I had seen enough, and would not say so.
    2. Normal
      Normal 3 October 2013 14: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Botanologist
      We, in fact, are not discussing the character, but the worldview.

      It is because of the character’s worldview that you allowed yourself to discuss his age, mental and hormonal characteristics. What about the ladies I consider rudeness.
      Quote: Botanologist
      You just are not familiar with the individual representatives of this tribe such as Tesak and others.

      I’m familiar with the tribe of Tesaka and others. Not very nice people, I agree. But I am also familiar with the Magomedo-Cherkessov tribe. These are much more dangerous and if there weren’t Magomedov, then there wouldn’t have been cleaver.
      To meet the Russian fascist I do not know where to go. Well, they do not come across to me in the subway, on the street or at the shopping center. I specially peep high berets with white laces and shaved heads ... Where? Something is not visible. But Caucasian and Asian thugs and no need to look. It is enough on Friday evening to be at the terminal metro station and make a remark to one of the drunken horsemen. A mass of thrills will be provided.
      If you choose between Russian extremist Fafists and non-Russian fanatics and scumbags, then I choose Russian. I am Russian myself.
      Talk about internationalism, the friendship of peoples, tolerance, tolerance and multiculturalism, please do not start. All this has already led to the emergence of Islamist extremism, ethnic banditry and, as a response, Russian nationalism.

      That’s the whole worldview.

      And your desire to live quietly and peacefully very soon leads to the appearance of violent and far from peaceful "guests"
    3. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 3 October 2013 19: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: Normal
      I specially peep high berets with white laces and shaved heads ..

      Caught with the son-in-law in our house: in the rented room they played some kind of music on the internet. And they sorted it out clearly and started tossing beer bottles at the road under our windows at two in the morning after we were all in different statuses laughing We arrived at my hometown branch, it turned out that he was also wanted by the military registration and enlistment office. I don’t know what happened to him after the received 15 days for a hooligan request
    4. Normal
      Normal 3 October 2013 22: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Caught with the son-in-law in our house

      ABOUT! Caught a single copy, and even then in St. Petersburg. Lucky .... Elephant in Africa can be seen more often.
      But how much alarm about Russian nationalism ...
      Once Dorenko at RSN was very indignant that in the protest movement there are a lot of Russian national fascists. I called on the air. He (although he was not there): "After all, the column of nationalists was more than two hundred people ?!" I (there was and just fell under this "column") "" What two hundred? Who told you? "Dorenko:
      - I was told by the people who were there, I know them and trust them.
      “And I trust my eyes.” Nationalists in black uniform were about 30, from the strength of 50. A hundred or more people joined them along the road. They were dressed as usual, they did not chant slogans, that is, they can be attributed to ideological, “full-time” nationalists just like the rest of the people at the rally. Well, except for the rainbow and antifa.

      After that, Dorenko knocked me out of the air and entered my phone number in the emergency

      50 nationalists to Moscow ... But they frighten us with Russian fascism. A terrible monster - They slaughter the Cleaver.

      And next to them are bearded and patly in red moccasins. Driving on bentles and behi scorching from injuries. It is not possible to drive along Minsk Street on Friday - thousands of faithful. On Muslim holidays - on Olympic Avenue and the surrounding area you can not even walk.
      But we don’t care. We then found a "Russian Nazi" in the discussion. Atu her. Atu!
    5. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 4 October 2013 03: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      Caught a single copy,

      Quote: Normal
      Lucky.

      They just didn’t hammer the bolt and went outside calling the police
      Quote: Normal
      And next to them are bearded and patly in red moccasins. Trauma scammers on bentles and behi

      In our courtyard, all the Gaster are polite and behave pretty well. It just so happened that those who do not understand Russian words are first raked and then fly away from work. Maybe everything depends not only on the authorities? Our right to not live with those who bother us only this must not only knock on the clave and swear power on the forum
      Quote: Normal
      We then found a "Russian Nazi" in the discussion

      She showed herself request propose to praise her and pat on the head?
    6. Normal
      Normal 4 October 2013 08: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Maybe everything depends not only on the authorities? Our right with you not to live next to those who interfere with us, for this we need to not only knock on the clave and swear power on the forum


      Well, this is not at the address. It’s I knocking on the keys, mother power on the forum and I don’t go out on the street? Fear God, Ruslan. I don’t sit out with my opinion at home - I’m not a theorist. Even when I’m standing in a traffic jam, I’m not lazy to get out of the car, pick up the goby from the asphalt and throw it into the window of the car from which it was thrown.
      Can you imagine the effect? The owners of the bulls are very "surprised" laughing but so far no one has ventured to object physically; after all, 188 cm tall 98 kg in weight, a shaved skull, a trunk on its side and the consciousness of being right make a “positive impression”

      Quote: Ruslan67
      propose to praise her and pat on the head?

      I suggest at least not to be rude to a girl. I wrote about this. The fact that she is a Nazi, I’m not sure, there will be time to get acquainted with all her comments, but I haven’t made such a conclusion from what I’m already familiar with. smile Of course, he has the right to his own opinion (like everything on the forum), but it is too hot he is hot and can be excessively aggressive.
    7. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 4 October 2013 17: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      It’s I knocking on the keys, mother power on the forum and I don’t go out on the street?

      I'm not talking about you and myself request A lot of those who know how not to roll bags wassat
      Quote: Normal
      Still, 188 cm tall 98 kg in weight, a shaved skull, a trunk on its side and a sense of righteousness

      My dimensions are more modest -176 -85 and a shaved skull + a kind face and knowledge of the laws of official and departmental instructions, etc. which helps in personal communication, what is with former colleagues, what is with bandits
      Quote: Normal
      I suggest at least not to be rude to a girl.

      Are you sure this is a girl what and not a troll sharpened for certain tasks? I personally do not request
  • smile
    smile 3 October 2013 00: 50 New
    0
    Botanologist
    Yes, I don’t agree ... I talked with her in sufficient detail ... a nightmare, it differs from the Nazis only in that it replaced the Russians in place of the Nibelungs ... everything, there’s no more difference, hell, they’re stupid, they’re cruel to the limit.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 3 October 2013 09: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: smile
      it differs from the Nazis only in that it replaced the Russians in place of the Nibelungs .. everything, there’s no more difference


      I know such an audience well. Farther than the "all by the nail" and there are no illusions about one's own exceptionalism.
  • Volkolak
    Volkolak 3 October 2013 13: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Botanologist
    She is not a Nazi. She is a nationalist

    And what's wrong with being a nationalist? She has a well-defined national identity, she promotes national culture. Stolypin said: “a people who do not have national self-awareness - there is manure on which other peoples grow”, and so, they are trying to make the Russian people manure on which Caucasians, Jews and other husks will parasitize. Botanologist! Respected! Are you for such a future? Here the girl has seen her sight. When will you begin to see clearly?
  • Volkolak
    Volkolak 2 October 2013 20: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: New Russia
    Do not speak for the Slavs :) Slavs for 13 years of Putin 4 and a half million destroyed.

    I willingly agree. Putin in Russia is just a manager, or manager, as you like, and it’s no secret that he is following decrees of someone (obviously not people of Slovenian nationality). What’s worth the legalization of millions of Tajiks. So we are not building illusions.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 2 October 2013 21: 06 New
      +1
      Glad I was wrong about you :)
    2. alone
      alone 2 October 2013 21: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: VOLKOLAK
      Putin in Russia is just a manager, or manager, as you like, and it’s no secret that he is following decrees of someone (obviously not people of Slovenian nationality). What’s worth the legalization of millions of Tajiks.


      belay want to say that his patron is imamali rahmon? belay
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 2 October 2013 21: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        belay want to say that his patron is imamali rahmon?

        No, the King of Sterkhov, on !!! laughing
      2. Volkolak
        Volkolak 2 October 2013 21: 16 New
        -2
        Quote: lonely
        want to say that his patron is imamali rahmon?

        You want to say that he honestly won the election ?! Respected! Not true, has become our habitat.
        1. alone
          alone 2 October 2013 21: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: VOLKOLAK
          You want to say that he honestly won the election ?!


          always listening to the expression "fair elections", I start to feel sick.
          1. Volkolak
            Volkolak 2 October 2013 21: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            always listening to the expression "fair elections", I start to feel sick.

            It is your body that resists.
          2. GREAT RUSSIA
            GREAT RUSSIA 2 October 2013 22: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            Quote: VOLKOLAK
            You want to say that he honestly won the election ?!


            always listening to the expression "fair elections", I start to feel sick.

            Does anyone have a basin? A question of national importance. wassat By the way, it’s a pity that the site does not have a smiley face like nausea.
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 2 October 2013 21: 47 New
          +5
          Quote: VOLKOLAK
          You want to say that he honestly won the election ?!


          Firstly, it is honestly written through "t".
          Secondly, who won? Maybe I don’t know something?
          1. Volkolak
            Volkolak 2 October 2013 21: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: Botanologist
            Firstly, it is often written through "t".

            I apologize for my Ukrainian accent.
        3. smile
          smile 3 October 2013 01: 24 New
          +2
          Volkolak
          How lcd you are right ... really, not true it is your environment. Yours and your supporters .... how did you let that slip out, huh? :)))
          1. Volkolak
            Volkolak 3 October 2013 13: 34 New
            -1
            Quote: smile
            Volkolak
            How lcd you are right ... really, not true it is your environment. Yours and your supporters .... how did you let that slip out, huh? :)))

            What is your habitat ?! You may not answer, it is slavish, and your thinking is slavish. They urinate in your eyes, but all of God's dew is for you! Stir convolutions, read more, develop your horizons, perhaps you will see clearly. hi
      3. New Russia
        New Russia 2 October 2013 21: 24 New
        0
        Tajikistan, despite the fact that there is a Russian base there, is intercepting heroin from Afghanistan many times smaller than Uzbekistan. What is it for
        1. alone
          alone 2 October 2013 21: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: New Russia
          Tajikistan, despite the fact that there is a Russian base there, is intercepting heroin from Afghanistan many times smaller than Uzbekistan. What is it for


          you have not guessed why? drug trafficking in tajikistan rests on some individuals, that's why they do not intercept
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 3 October 2013 01: 44 New
          0
          The tasks of the base, by agreement, are slightly different ...
    3. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 2 October 2013 21: 13 New
      0
      Quote: VOLKOLAK
      Putin in Russia is just a manager, or manager, as you like,

      I like the term Gauleiter more! Manager, as it is not that. wink
    4. Botanologist
      Botanologist 2 October 2013 21: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: VOLKOLAK
      and it’s no secret that he is carrying out decrees of someone (obviously not persons of Slovenian nationality). Why is it worth the legalization of millions of Tajiks. So we are not building illusions.


      Cool. Tajiks rule Putin belay .
      What other original ideas have you visited?
      1. Volkolak
        Volkolak 2 October 2013 21: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Botanologist
        Cool. Putin is controlled by Tajiks. What other original ideas have you visited?

        The essence of my post is that Putin has an anti-Slavic policy. And Tajiks are not necessary here, he gave an example. You are like a troll, clinging to a word. I mean, soon in Russia only for the word I-Russian will be put in jail and stigmatized by an extremist.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 3 October 2013 00: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: VOLKOLAK
          And Tajiks are not necessary here, he gave an example.


          Well, write more clearly. And then first a stream of consciousness, and then you are offended.
  • Don
    Don 3 October 2013 16: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: New Russia
    Do not speak for the Slavs :) Slavs for 13 years of Putin 4 and a half million destroyed.

    What is this nonsense? Where did you read that?
  • S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 2 October 2013 21: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: VOLKOLAK
    Something I did not see that your brother would work hard, tryndet-worthy occupation for a Jew,

    Dear, you hung laughing Actually, Leontyev is Jewish by nationality. According to your busy "worthy occupation." You yourself do not realize how right you are! hi
    1. Volkolak
      Volkolak 2 October 2013 21: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: S_mirnov
      According to your busy "worthy occupation." You yourself do not realize how right you are!

      Greetings! It is very pleasant that a decent person appreciated my writing.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 2 October 2013 22: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: VOLKOLAK
        Greetings!

        And you are sound! It's always nice to meet a like-minded person.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 2 October 2013 21: 32 New
    +3
    [quote = VOLKOLAK] [quote = honest Jew] anti-people power ... [/ quote]
    ??? !! "anti-people" is for whom ?! For us, the Slavs? Or for you Jews? You me [/ quote] [/ quote]

    Yes, they have any of our power, which is not theirs, will be anti-people.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 2 October 2013 21: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: honest Jew
    To listen to Leontiev, everything in Russia is straightforward ... Another tryndun paid by anti-people’s power ...


    Only now the right side pays him. And the right one is because as yours doesn’t pay so much, in our country the hemorrhage begins ...
  • smile
    smile 2 October 2013 21: 37 New
    +3
    honest jew
    You forgot to say that the anti-people Putin regime is serving the Zionists - your bulk colleagues and daredevils, and some of their marsh like-minded people have often stuttered this before. Well, and the Natsiks, who joined the swamps with homosexuals and are now screaming about it .... congratulations with worthy like-minded people, you probably would have looked very organic on the swamp, chanting in unison with bald debi ... and in bombs - ashes Buchenwald beats in their hearts ... :)))) yeah, and touching hugging ... :)))))
    or are you a communist? The communists then have the right to announce such slogans - they are generally against capitalism, but the rest .... :)))
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 2 October 2013 22: 33 New
      -1
      Quote: smile
      You forgot to say that the anti-people Putin regime is serving the Zionists - your bulk colleagues and daredevils, and some of their marsh like-minded people have often stuttered this before.

      Keep labeling? How sad it is to observe your bipolar primitivism - GDP / Bulk. I don’t know who you root for, but in my opinion the correct formula of the Russian person is GDP = Bulk = negative , the activities of neither one nor the other leads to an objection to the former greatness of the motherland.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 2 October 2013 22: 44 New
        +1
        The smiley can only do this :) In his brain, Deputy Fedorov and Channel One already put everything on the shelves.
      2. smile
        smile 3 October 2013 01: 34 New
        +4
        S_mirnov
        You know, I'm not surprised that you're sad. You generally, I'm sorry, a sad person, a squeamish, in other words. Your unipolar primitivism will not lead, and simply cannot lead not only to the greatness of the Motherland, it cannot lead anyone to anything — dull, ever complaining people reveling in their suffering are not capable of anything ... honestly, I do not want to offend you. I don’t feel much negative for you, I’m just used to express myself quite directly where it is possible.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 4 October 2013 17: 53 New
          0
          Quote: smile
          You generally, I'm sorry, a sad person, a squeamish, in other words.

          Nope, I'm funny and angry!
          Quote: smile
          Your unipolar primitivism

          Generally not a topic, at least three poles, No. 1 of GDP (domestic crook), 2 No. of the State Department (external enemies), No. 3 of the patriots of Russia. This is offhand.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 2 October 2013 21: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: a52333
    Soviet industrialization outside the defense industry proved to be a complete failure.
    Well, not so indiscriminately, energy worked well, but overall, yes. I agree.


    It’s only because it was necessary to develop a nuclear program. And the rest of the conversion was not.

    The idea lies on the surface, it is strange why it still lies ...
  • DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 2 October 2013 09: 33 New
    +7
    He speaks beautifully ... Especially about science, about production, but in practice? (Although maybe everything is going for the better. Let's wait and see.
    1. TRex
      TRex 2 October 2013 10: 40 New
      +5
      And how much can you talk? "Wait and see". Some will not live up to this bright future. They were not elected to listen ... although I personally did not vote for them ... but they convinced half of the population that they knew HOW, WHEN, WHERE and WHERE with which new Russia will be built. People believed, and now what - change the profession, change the job ... Silent glanders prepare us for the deafening failure of this very construction site? Dumped over the hill and ask no one. Yes, now is not the 37 year ... why ask ... what they fought for - and ran into it.
    2. smile
      smile 2 October 2013 18: 47 New
      +3
      DuraLexSedLex.
      He just has open eyes, he sees it as bad. so good. This is called "Objectivity." Everyone would be so :)))
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 2 October 2013 09: 37 New
    11
    And in fact, there is no other way, I understand that this is a repetition of the above. But this essence cannot be changed, otherwise Russia simply will not.
  • Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 2 October 2013 09: 38 New
    -4
    said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin

    This phrase is already scary ...
    1. Fin
      Fin 2 October 2013 11: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      This phrase is already scary ...

      His biography is of course "party", he is more and more used to working with his language.
      IMHO: It is difficult for him to delve into the technical processes of the military-industrial complex, and in all directions (water, land, air), he probably has a lot of enemies, court intrigues, he works a lot for the public. But he is one of the few in an inert government who really works for the good of the country. Another 2-3 years in this mode and the military-industrial complex will rise, and with it the army.
      1. alone
        alone 2 October 2013 21: 15 New
        +4
        Do you think 2-3 years is enough for an ordinary talker to become an administrative manager, moreover, in the military-industrial complex?
  • Altona
    Altona 2 October 2013 09: 39 New
    21
    Leontiev just voiced my thoughts yesterday ... The USSR in the 80s of the last century came up with a large package of defense developments that could and should be transferred to the civilian sectors and put into commercial circulation, instead of keeping it all under the heading "secretly "for this, various NGOs were created to make marketable products from such applied developments — various unique fabrics, plastics, energy-saving engines and technologies, heat-resistant and extra-strong materials, cheap space and aviation platforms, pharmaceuticals, development of applied areas in science ... Instead of this, we took the stupid path of conversion, the destruction of cooperation chains, and further, like a snowball ... Now we are watching how it all flowed smoothly to the USA, China and the EU and is being successfully operated there ... China copied all our goods, including sickles and alarms ... the United States based on the Yak-141 make the F-35 ... Well and on to infinity ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 2 October 2013 09: 56 New
      13
      Quote: Altona
      ... The USSR in the 80s of the last century came up with a large package of defense developments that could and should be transferred to the civilian sectors and put into commercial circulation, instead of keeping it all under the heading "secretly", for this they were created various NGOs, to make commercial products from such applied developments - various unique fabrics, plastics, energy-saving engines

      “That's how it is, but not quite so.” The transfer of technology from the “defense industry” to the “citizen” due to the peculiarities of the Soviet civil industry — plannedness, complete absence of competition, lack of commitment to profit (profit was not even a goal at all) —was fundamentally impossible. Just because these technologies of the USSR civil industry were not needed. Well, they were not needed, and that’s it. And the data transfer developed by Alferov was not needed by the USSR Ministry of Communications, and the first Altai mobile communications also did not interest the very Ministry of Communications at all. For such a lack of interest in these extraordinary developments, which is absolutely equal in significance to the lack of INTEREST IN LIFE, to existence, this Ministry of Communications and died with the USSR. Sorry, maybe you will be corrupted - there is the way to this Ministry of Communications! He deserved his dog death. Sorry, it’s just taking evil - miss this! And so that this would never be resurrected in our territories - it is not necessary for nothing.
      I hope now everything will be different, it will be as Rogozin dreams.
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 2 October 2013 12: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: aksakal
        there and the road to this Ministry of Communications! He deserved his dog death.

        There is such a Voronezh development, the Kodotel is called, even from Soviet times, they say it was given the green light only with the condition that only in the Voronezh region there will be a connection
    2. valerei
      valerei 2 October 2013 10: 11 New
      +6
      Altona, absolutely disagrees with the statements: "WE have followed the stupid path of conversion" and with Leontyev: "from US heaped up ruins." All this was done not by WE, but by those completely irresponsible people who didn’t give a damn about Russia even now. Surnames do not make sense, because they are well known. Some of these people continue to live very well today and work to destroy Russia.
      1. Altona
        Altona 2 October 2013 10: 29 New
        +3
        Well, thank you for at least referring to me ...)) The pronoun WE do not personify myself and you, consider this as a corporate generalization on behalf of the whole country ... maybe not entirely correct ...
    3. DPN
      DPN 2 October 2013 12: 35 New
      +2
      All right, the reserves were large, one misfortune to power over ourselves, we allow upstarts and mediocrity. Hence the conclusion that people with great authority should be in great demand, and not rewards for the collapse of the country and not implications
  • Trailer
    Trailer 2 October 2013 09: 40 New
    +4
    This is the 2016-2025 weapons program.
    Uncle, have you overcome 2020 yet?
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 2 October 2013 10: 29 New
      +1
      ... and THIS is inside ...
  • SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 2 October 2013 09: 43 New
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    And then from there build a civilian high-tech. What the Soviet Union could not do because At the same time, the Soviet Union did a lot of things such that, thanks to this base, we still live. So, to make such passages, towards the USSR, I would be shy in the place of the respected Mikhail.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 2 October 2013 10: 04 New
      12
      Quote: SvetoRus
      At the same time, the Soviet Union did a lot of things such that, thanks to this base, we still live. So, to make such passages, towards the USSR, I would be shy in the place of the respected Mikhail.

      - Sveto Rus, so Leontiev does not deny the presence of hurt and the availability of technology. He means: "Why, in the presence of technology and science, SUCH TECHNOLOGIES and SUCH SCIENCE, did Soviet citizens hunger for consumerism? They admitted that a Soviet citizen was forced to look with envy at the full windows of Western stores and feel like a flawed person? Admit that the Soviet the man joked bitterly - "but can I rot in the same way as they rot in the West?" Who gave such a right to humiliate a conscience like that? Okay, there would be no science and technology, because it was all !!!! ".
      In general, Lentyev’s passage is just such, while he does not deny the very availability of the necessary technologies and scientific developments in the USSR and does not deny that Russia still lives and will live on this most powerful groundwork.
      1. vlrosch
        vlrosch 2 October 2013 10: 45 New
        -1
        Production technology is not being rolled up. Science is at the level of the 70s, but we stubbornly maintain that we are rolling forward. The T-90 tank is a 1964 machine with dynamic protection and French electronics, like in the 30s, the main thing is that the tank jumps, the rest is nonsense. I don’t feel like talking about the Mace. But the money was stolen for re-equipment projects, the Accounts Chamber could not be counted. Scary, but 1941 may repeat itself. No wonder Stalin planted and shot such innovators.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 2 October 2013 21: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: vlrosch
          The T-90 tank is the 1964 car of the year with dynamic protection and French electronics, as in the 30 years, the main thing is that the tank jumps, the rest is nonsense.


          You are not original, it was voiced by Makarov. True, in his opinion, the T-90 is a redesigned T-34. So dig deeper, don't stop.
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 2 October 2013 22: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Botanologist
            in his opinion, the T-90 is a redesigned T-34.

            Well, that's not bad yet, thank goodness it's not a Renault FT-17. laughing
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 2 October 2013 22: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: chehywed
              thank god it's not a Renault FT-17


              Well, she was going to buy Renault for the army with Taburetkin. Why hack a business?
  • Nymp
    Nymp 2 October 2013 09: 48 New
    10
    Well done Michael! I like his political convictions. We have no other way - I agree! And the "swamp shit" is also in place! good
    1. smile
      smile 2 October 2013 18: 53 New
      +2
      Nymp
      I do not agree, the place of the marsh punks at the bucket! :)))
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 2 October 2013 09: 50 New
    +7
    Well what can I say, and there’s nothing to poke about smile
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 2 October 2013 09: 55 New
    15
    "Building a civilian hi-tech. What the Soviet Union could not do because Soviet industrialization outside the defense was completely failed."

    If modern managers reach the level of achievements of the industrialization of the USSR at least twenty years later, I’ll be standing ovation.
    With regard to the defense industry, "adjusted for the wind," that is, for a while, let them create something similar to such masterpieces of their time as Shark, Voivode, MiG-31, research institutes and enterprises of Soviet level and scale then boast.

    In the meantime, it can be stated that Skolkovo differs from the Soviet “sharashka” not for the better.
    People were sitting in sharashki, and for nothing they did brilliant things for the good of their country.
    Managers "Skolkovo", unfortunately, do not sit yet. Although they do not work for nothing, and somehow the benefits for the country are not visible from them and are not heard. As well as from state-owned corporations such as Rusnano. Grandmas treasury spent, but for what? Answer, Mikhail Leontyev, before scolding a country whose achievements the defense industry still feeds, not to mention those to whom the nationwide Komsomol construction projects are written off. MMC Norilsk Nickel, Gazprom, railways and everything that became the "national property of the oligarchs" was built by its current owners? Or failing in the industrialization of the USSR?
    And our village, where is it now, gentlemen? It is clear that it is better to blame the USSR than to leave the MKAD and see how people are alive there. And are they still there, our people?
    That country provided excellent food security. Why is modern Russia, so great and beautiful, eats products from Argentina and Israel, wears Italian or Vietnamese rags (depending on small diamonds or liquid cabbage soup), and everything else is “Made in China”?
    It would be interesting to listen to not superficial erosion in the program "However," on this subject. True, they are unlikely to pay for them.
    1. valerei
      valerei 2 October 2013 10: 17 New
      11
      Bravo, stiletto! I didn’t hit an eyebrow. Only Leontiev’s article was simply taken and inserted into the site and he doesn’t know that we’re breaking spears here. And no one reads our comments, except ourselves.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 2 October 2013 10: 20 New
        +8
        And no one reads our comments, except ourselves.

        Valera, we have to be honest. And, first of all, in front of you. hi
      2. chehywed
        chehywed 2 October 2013 10: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: valerei
        And no one reads our comments, except ourselves

        good
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 2 October 2013 10: 36 New
          +2
          Unfortunately, although at least they can read SPECIAL services, they make up a "dossier" .... After all, the Central Bank - the "keen eye" watches everyone so let them know what they think about them ...
    2. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 2 October 2013 10: 43 New
      +6
      Alexei, that I don’t need to kick the memory of the USSR, I completely agree with you.
      As for the extinct village and food security - not really.
      After all, grain harvesting in Russia is no worse than in the USSR. About (I emphasize: approximately) this year there will be 100 million tons of grain, in 1998 it was 50 million tons. In the Gorbachev USSR, there were 105 million tons with a population of the USSR 2 times larger than now.
      And you say that you will be standing ovation.
      But the fact that Russia even exists after Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and also builds a 5th generation fighter, new types of nuclear submarines, a mace and a spaceport is already worthy of applause!
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 2 October 2013 10: 55 New
        +4
        But the fact that Russia is building an 5 generation fighter, the Mace, is already worthy of applause!

        A small clarification: WILL be worthy when they fly. A small clarification for those who reached out to put a minus: I did not say "IF" wink
        1. pahom54
          pahom54 2 October 2013 11: 20 New
          +5
          Fly, do not worry. All (almost all) developments and tests of the created aviation, rocket and space technology were accompanied not only by accidents, but even disasters. In general, this is a normal scientific and production process. And the same dynamics in other countries. So the only question is the timing of their flight (QUALITY flight).
      2. sinandju
        sinandju 2 October 2013 11: 31 New
        +6
        But the fact that Russia even exists after Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and also builds a 5th generation fighter, new types of nuclear submarines, a mace and a spaceport is already worthy of applause!

        What does applause mean? You, my dear, are utterly out of place as they say. Are these the generals of foreign intervention armies? And we won? Glory to the great Russian people who won the war with the aggressor? Yeltsin and Gorbachev? And if under Gorbachev we still did not know how to vote and climb tanks, then under Yeltsin we were already a mother and nothing happened. Once again, they chose, although he scored fewer votes. After all, we didn’t go to yell at the square, seeking justice and trial of these two? Although, really, what are we going to do? Only office plankton and marsh louse go there ....
        It is not for us Russians to admire the fact that we are rising from nothingness or simply from the mud. This can be done by foreigners (admire us). Because most often ... we, by our own stupidity, climb there. And we should only be grateful to God that he keeps us, such non-fun, BUT still funny, smart, creative (rather than creative) and reckless laughing wink
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 2 October 2013 12: 26 New
          +4
          And this, of course, too.

          once it brings, two it brings - have mercy on God, you need at least a little bit of mind!
          (Suvorov).
        2. smile
          smile 2 October 2013 19: 03 New
          +6
          sinandju
          Golden words ... but I have to disagree - look at how many polymer workers, look at how many people who have yielded to propaganda similar to Yeltsin's are yelling - Down! If they are not opposed, we will wait for the repetition of 91 years. And the tank on the tank. Look at the bulk - why not Yeltsin? All his rhetoric is the direct plagiarism of the elbon. The howl of the all-adherents must be balanced - but how can the poggle balance their lies, without emphasizing our real successes? It’s disgusting to boast, but sometimes you remember the saying-don’t boast-and go about as simple as .... polymers. :)))
    3. dmit-xnumx
      dmit-xnumx 3 October 2013 00: 04 New
      0
      Even if they pay Mikhail, he still will not be able to tell - he is "imprisoned" to broadcast, to utter "unshakable truths." I don’t know how anyone, but his manner of presentation pretends to me that, in my youth, such intonation, such “pressure” could be heard only from declassed elements (though their Television wasn’t spoiled by attention, then Balashov was in favor , Kirillov and Zorin with Dunaev and Kaverznev as commentators)
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 2 October 2013 10: 00 New
    12
    In the light of what is happening, it sounds bravura, but now, as it seems to me, this is out of place, for dullness, chernukha and negativity are simply embarrassed.
    One alarm, well, as with the Commander-in-Chief, suddenly something happens (GOD FORBID!)? What will happen? Is there continuity and who will implement it. Remember how it happened to Stalin and ... the USSR was gone. Not right away, but gone.
    GOD BLESS RUSSIA!
  • omsbon
    omsbon 2 October 2013 10: 06 New
    +7
    . And not a little bluff office punks with Swamp.


    Exactly! Well said.
  • chehywed
    chehywed 2 October 2013 10: 17 New
    +4
    For the first time in many years, we are showing new ultramodern equipment, which the Russian army is purchasing on a massive scale.

    This can not but rejoice
    ... of us the heaped ruins.

    The word is said! You can ban me, but WE destroyed the USSR, and not the “Bialowieza Trinity.” Not in Russia, nor in Belarus and Ukraine, nor in Kazakhstan, no one took the streets anywhere to save the country. Not a single military unit or the unit didn’t leave their permanent locations in order to save the country. And now we are nostalgic and hang red flags on avatars ...
    1. shapkin14
      shapkin14 2 October 2013 10: 39 New
      +1
      I fully support!
      Where are our black colonels?
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 2 October 2013 16: 17 New
      +1
      I think you are not quite right! When all this happened, we didn’t take it seriously at work! Even when EBNshka shot at the White House! Nobody understood anything! But how it turned out! Ebnshku count with the hunchback!
  • Yura
    Yura 2 October 2013 10: 19 New
    +2
    The article I would say indirectly confirms the role of the state in the progress of the civilian sector of the economy, through the development of the armed component, both science and production are stimulated and become locomotives. And private owners are large and not very large, it seems they are in no hurry to modernize and build new industries, invest in new types of modern products and accordingly stimulate inventions, the development of new technologies, science. Buying technology yesterday is certainly easier and faster, and if there is an opportunity to make a profit by mercilessly exploiting workers, they are ready to maintain production at the medieval level. I will not say that for all of them, but for the majority.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 2 October 2013 10: 21 New
    0
    What is another outwardly political triumph? laughing Is it that Vanuatu and Nauru recognized the "statehood" of Abkhazia?
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 October 2013 13: 05 New
      +5
      What is another outwardly political triumph?

      Your sarcasm is understandable.smile
      But you must admit, how it turned out with Syria is a triumph, especially against the backdrop of everything that has happened over the past 30 years. Although this party is not over yet, and for some reason it seems to me that in Syria they are sadanut with all the consequences. The stakes are really high.soldier
    2. smile
      smile 2 October 2013 19: 12 New
      +4
      Essenger
      Hello.
      And it is, my dear old opponent :))) that now the Western countries, gathering again, out of habit, to kill somewhere with the aim of robbery, a hundred or two thousand people, are forced to reckon with Russia. to ask our opinion, to consult intensively and go to Pu to bow to bargain ... and, even about horror, to abandon their robber plans and proceed to the theft :)))) - that is, to achieve their goal (well, their nature is so colonial- in a different way they can’t) be quietest ... :)))) Or do you think that this happened by itself, without strengthening Russia's foreign policy weight? What, do you really think that they have a conscience? :))
      1. goldfinger
        goldfinger 2 October 2013 20: 14 New
        -4
        forced to reckon with Russia. to ask our opinion, to consult intensively and go to Pu to bow to bargain ... and, even about horror, to abandon their robber plans and proceed to the theft :)))) - that is, to achieve their goal (well, their nature is so colonial- in a different way they can’t) be quietest ... :)))) Or do you think that this happened by itself, without strengthening Russia's foreign policy weight?
        Neighbor Belarus. All these so-called "triumphs" roll while a white-eared negro sits in the White House, chewing "snot in sugar." In the next election in the United States, a new president will come expressing the will of white America, its middle class. They have no permanent Pu, as you put it. It was already when the honest Baptist Quaker Jimmy Carter was replaced by "Comrade Reagan", who threw Soviet communism into the trash, and "friend" Yeltsin Bill-saxafonist, who dispersed the USSR with the help of the first president of Russia. True, with the help of senility from the Central Committee of the CPSU. Then, Comrade Pu, as you put it, will have to do the "triumphs" at home. And not only in favor of the cooperative "Lake". Although I am more than sure that by this time his "lakes" will plunder Russia almost completely, and will be dumped for permanent residence in London. Meet "old age with a decent pension."
        1. goldfinger
          goldfinger 2 October 2013 21: 33 New
          -1
          I would be incredibly glad if they refuted my position, reasonedly. And to click "-" and a semi-literate puzzombi can. I do not think that the vast majority of them are here. Though...
          1. smile
            smile 3 October 2013 01: 52 New
            0
            goldfinger
            You have not expressed anything substantial, worthy of a refutation ... what to refute? :)))
        2. smile
          smile 3 October 2013 01: 50 New
          0
          goldfinger
          And you know. that half of America is no longer white? Is the middle class blurring? For all their msenability. Is foreign policy virtually unchanged? And in the end. Do you know that their family clans rule? All elected presidents come from a very limited circle of families. All. So, I forgot, one of the last five in the family had 14 presidents. There is no such thing anywhere except the monarchies ... so what. Dear, all your pathetics, together with thoughtful conclusions, has only one way - to the cat under the hood ... that’s it. which is caused only by a lack of knowledge and Russophobia ... your confidence, there is the same place, for example, cats forgive me, for what is human confidence. not able to count fingers on a hand? :)))
          1. goldfinger
            goldfinger 3 October 2013 09: 13 New
            0
            Quote: smile
            goldfinger
            And you know. that half of America is no longer white? Is the middle class blurring? For all their msenability. Is foreign policy virtually unchanged? And in the end. Do you know that their family clans rule? All elected presidents come from a very limited circle of families. All. So, I forgot, one of the last five in the family had 14 presidents. There is no such thing anywhere except the monarchies ... so what. Dear, all your pathetics, together with thoughtful conclusions, has only one way - to the cat under the hood ... that’s it. which is caused only by a lack of knowledge and Russophobia ... your confidence, there is the same place, for example, cats forgive me, for what is human confidence. not able to count fingers on a hand? :)))

            Are you raving What clans with as many as 14 presidents? Not surprising,
            that you "forgot" to argue this incredible fact. Hanging labels in Russophobia, at the slightest criticism of the "single and indivisible" - a sign of "profound" limitation. I realized that you have a fever (14 presidents), so drink tea with raspberries. Bon Appetit.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 2 October 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    The Second World War gave a powerful impetus to the development of industry and new technologies. Aviation is especially indicative. Therefore, the military-industrial complex is ready to be the locomotive of the development of our industry. Proof of this, billions of dollars flowing into the country for the sale of military products. No industry in Russia can do this. In addition, of course, the raw materials industries. But most importantly, new technologies from the military industry should be transferred to the civilian industry. The success of a country's economic development depends on this.
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 2 October 2013 10: 31 New
    +5
    "Our foreign policy triumph, by the way, is directly related to the state defense order, because a country that does not have a modern army does not in principle achieve foreign policy triumphs." - says the director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Ruslan Pukhov.
    Very correct words.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 2 October 2013 10: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: Jamal
      Very correct words.

      not so long ago argued on this subject with one comrade supporter that all expenditures on the military industry would be directed to social programs. He called me a “scoop”, in the Internet space I often stumble upon such clever people who want to take money from the defense industry. Glad to see friends of "scoops" here. hi
  • Storm
    Storm 2 October 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    The right direction, a lot of what the West and the whole world now uses was basically military technology, for example, the well-known Internet. It is only necessary to competently use the technologies obtained in the defense industry.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 2 October 2013 11: 54 New
    +3
    hi And I rejoice and envy ..., from the sidelines. recourse
  • Russ69
    Russ69 2 October 2013 12: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: klimpopov
    Sorry about the topic.

    BUT Medvedev will be dismissed at the end of October. The communists decided on a decisive date

    The resignation of Medvedev, always in the subject, if only sent ...
  • shark
    shark 2 October 2013 12: 41 New
    +3
    "a little bluff office punks with Bolotnaya" - well, it was said very well. It’s more difficult to define definitions. That's right. Without a new industrialization, our country has no future. This is what distinguishes developed countries from banana republics. There will be a rise in industry, there will be work, a salary. By the way, we can safely lure many many highly skilled specialists from the same Ukraine. Of those who do not want to live in a tolerant union turned upside down. and there will be many!
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 2 October 2013 18: 56 New
      -2
      The combat readiness indicator is the availability of modern military equipment in units, subunits, squadrons, fleets. When the abovementioned units and formations are manned with trained and authorized personnel, and not the presence of separate single exhibition models of this equipment, managed and maintained by qualified engineers of manufacturers, and only in peacetime. What the untidy Mr. Leontyev is talking about is just a simple agitation from the distant 70s, or the dawn of perestroika.
  • New Russia
    New Russia 2 October 2013 12: 50 New
    +1
    I'm sorry, this is not a female affair ... But. HOW can it be possible to rearm in 2017 (the next 3 years) up to 30% (+ 15% to the current), and from 17 to 20, immediately as much as 50% (from 30 to 80%) ???
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 October 2013 13: 16 New
      +4
      HOW in 2017 (the next 3 years) can rearm up to 30% (+ 15% to the current), and from 17 to 20, immediately as much as 50% (from 30 to 80%)?

      GOOD QUESTION! JOIN.
      As I understand it, this is a maximum task (a budget has been allocated for this), and therefore there is a minimum task (this is how it will actually turn out). Who and how to calculate all this is another question.
      Not indifferent ladieshismile
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 2 October 2013 13: 51 New
        +5
        quote-For the first time in many years, we are showing a new ultramodern technique,

        but some designs were developed back in Soviet times.

        the continuation of the quote, which is being purchased on a massive scale by the Russian army.

        Valery Leontiev forgot to mention that the lion's share of this equipment goes abroad, at a time when it should be replenished first of all by the Russian Army.

        quote- Yes, with problems, but a fundamentally new Bulava ballistic missile was adopted. This is the basis for strategic deterrence for the coming decades.

        By whom and when did Valery lie at all here, they are still undergoing tests and there is no state acceptance yet.?!

        quote-The latest S-400 air defense systems are coming into service and the next S-500 is already in line. Since 2008, a contract has been signed for the supply to the armed forces of fighters, front-line bombers, carrier-based fighters, transport aircraft - a total of 416 aircraft of new construction. 55 of the best Yak-130 combat training vehicles in the world has already been purchased.

        here without question.

        quote- "Our foreign policy triumph, by the way, is directly related to state defense orderbecause a country that does not have a modern army doesn’t triumph in foreign policy in principle, "says Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

        That's right, but in my opinion, the correcting is necessary, and alas, the economy is stagnating, the first echoes are already present. The decline in production and rising prices.

        quote-A not a blunt office punks with Swamp.

        it’s impossible to treat everyone indiscriminately; they are the same citizens of Russia, and among them, in my opinion, there are worthy people and patriots of the country who love Russia no less than Mr. Leontyev.

        quote-What the Soviet Union could not do because Soviet industrialization outside the defense was completely failed.

        the USSR had great potential, if it were not for the villains, party renegades, sloppies and traitors, the Soviet Union would have reached unprecedented heights in its development. China can serve as an example.

        Not deeply verified infa turned out a vinigret. All in one pile.
        Infe minus. negative
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 2 October 2013 14: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          price increase.


          infographics
          1. smile
            smile 2 October 2013 19: 26 New
            +2
            Apollo
            Hello.
            And what made you indignant - why will the cost of fuel rise so little, or why will cigarettes and alcohol so rise in price? To be honest, for example, rising prices for alcohol and cigarettes do not bother me. The increase in fuel prices is miserable, if we compare it with inflation, then ... (it would be good if it were as calculated), although, of course, we would like it to not be at all.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 2 October 2013 19: 46 New
              +4
              Quote: smile
              Hello.


              Good evening Vladimir hi
              Quote: smile
              And what angered you, why the cost of fuel will grow so little,


              Russia-oil producing a country, as well as Azerbaijan and Iran. In these, just as an example, I cite the first two countries, the price of fuel rises from year to year, and Iran, living in the conditions of the blockade, manages to keep prices. I want to emphasize that the increase in fuel prices,even slight in my understanding-this is nonsense.More importantly,even a slight increase in fuel prices will inevitably lead to higher prices for all food and non-food products -it is an axiom.
              Quote: smile
              or why are cigarettes and alcohol so expensive?

              Citizens will buy tobacco and alcohol as they will, so raising the price of these goods will hit the family’s budget and this is inevitable. If the state tries to wean tobacco and alcohol from it, it’s foolish for citizens. For this, comprehensive propaganda is needed as in family and school.
              Quote: smile
              - if you compare it with inflation, then ... (it would be nice if it were as calculated), although, of course, I would like it to not exist at all.


              the situation in the post-Soviet space, with some exceptions, is similar, in many respects, to inflation, corruption in the highest echelons of power, merging of the criminal element with justice, kickbacks, etc.
              1. smile
                smile 2 October 2013 20: 01 New
                +6
                Apollo
                Accepted. In principle, everything is true, perhaps I agree. With the exception of one thing - we have inflation - at least eight percent annually (I don’t remember the official figures, and the estimates are different, up to 15-20). Given this inflation, raising the price of fuel by 2-3 percent is still its cheapening. Consumer prices are rising at a much more impressive pace. And one cannot deny this either.

                But to argue that a reduction in fuel prices by at least thirty percent would revive the economy and ultimately bring more to the budget. than losses from taxes, I’m not going to argue, why argue with the obvious? :))) As I understand it, an early sharp increase in fuel prices is due to the fact that we got into the WTO.
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 2 October 2013 20: 43 New
                  +2
                  Quote: smile
                  As I understand it, an early sharp increase in fuel prices is due to the fact that we got into the WTO.


                  and how do you comment on this

                  Mayor proposed to freeze salaries in state-owned companies for 2014 year
                  The Minister of Economic Development of Russia said on Wednesday in an interview with the Russia 24 television channel that the agency is proposing to state companies in 2014 to abandon indexation of their employees' salaries.
                  ...........
                  The Ministry of Finance proposed freezing the salaries of civil servants, military and judges the day before. This measure will save the budget next year 31 billion rubles, in 2015 year - 152 billion rubles, in 2016 year - 127 billion rubles.
                  http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/10/2/653128.html
                  1. smile
                    smile 2 October 2013 21: 22 New
                    +3
                    Apollo
                    I comment.
                    1. I do not like that for one year they decided to freeze the indexation of salaries for civil servants, judges, military personnel and employees of state-owned companies. But only partially. Some civil servants, and employees of state-owned companies, receiving quite a lot, I would also freeze something. :))) Regarding the criteria, who should be frozen, who is not, don’t ask, I didn’t think about this issue and I don’t have the data to bring me a real alternative.
                    The trouble is that it will hit mostly not on them. Well, at least they did not touch other state employees.

                    2. I think that the Ministry of Economic Development, as always, is trying, not by washing, so by skating, to get nevertheless, to the budgets of the military and law enforcement agencies. They, together with the Ministry of Finance, last forever, as far as I remember - they attempt. Sometimes it turns out, sometimes not. I don’t know whether the civil servants and judges will have a bad year. Until now, Medvedev’s words are few, which meant and were not a guarantee that his predictions would come true. We will see.

                    3. In my opinion, I have not yet argued that everything is OK in Russia, and everything is in order - while we, apparently, are going through trial and error. And in general, if everything was in order, there would not be such inflation, which, although radically less than before. but you can’t call her normal. No way.

                    Commented. :)))
                    1. Apollo
                      Apollo 2 October 2013 21: 33 New
                      +1
                      Quote: smile
                      I do not like that for one year they decided to freeze the indexing ...... by the military


                      and this in your opinion does not hit the country's defense capability ?!
                      1. smile
                        smile 2 October 2013 22: 01 New
                        +2
                        Apollo
                        To some extent, in theory, it should affect. And of course, I do not like it. Moreover, given that there are two times more law enforcement officers than military personnel receiving dd under the contract, this measure will be hit more by law enforcement officers and the Ministry of Emergencies. But state-owned companies are also working for the defense industry ... I have no data, how much they are and what their salaries are.
                        I think such a saving will really hit defense capability only indirectly, to the extent that the people are angry at the benevolent government. Perhaps employees who hesitated to conclude a new contract or not will leave. Not everyone receives as much as they would be satisfied. But hit. Losing staff is more serious.

                        Do you have reasonable predictions about what this measure will cost defense? Or how will it affect the criminal situation and the elimination of natural disasters?
                        Are you really sure that these measures will be applied?

                        By the way, there wasn’t everything with the DD of the military personnel, there were frequent delays, sometimes significant, payments in installments ... yes, and now there are ... this is annoying .... but our people are patient, they are baying, but they are not leaving. Who left, regrets, I'm not joking, in our area, anyway. Now many are rushing back, but it’s not so simple, the states are full.
              2. Botanologist
                Botanologist 2 October 2013 21: 55 New
                +3
                Quote: Apollon
                Iran living in conditions of blockade manages to keep prices


                Well, if we had nowhere to sell oil, we would also ... hold prices ... Where to put it then?
          2. Jrvin
            Jrvin 4 October 2013 01: 40 New
            +1
            Hmm, where are these prices? we have 92y petrol now 35r !!!
        2. Stiletto
          Stiletto 2 October 2013 15: 06 New
          +2
          Apollon, I fully agree with your conclusions. A separate plus - for the good drive - Valery Leontiev! And that’s true: the guy sings sweetly, but something is often conjunctural. Not just under the "plywood", but, as if, on someone's corporate party.
          1. Very old
            Very old 2 October 2013 16: 50 New
            +2
            Often noticed some kind of duality behind him, unfortunately
            APASUS noticed it too
          2. Apollo
            Apollo 2 October 2013 21: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Stiletto
            A separate plus - for the good drive - Valery Leontyev

            I know that he is Michael.
            Do you think that when publishing your comment there was a typo, alas, deliberately wrote it that way, drew a parallel with one of the author, whose name is also Valery and who publishes materials on the forum, though I don’t know his name.
      2. yur
        yur 2 October 2013 23: 13 New
        0
        It’s just that in the first years, along with the rearmament of the army, the defense industry enterprises are being re-equipped with modern high-performance equipment, respectively, then the release of armaments can be increased several times.
    2. VAF
      VAF 2 October 2013 13: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: New Russia
      I'm sorry, this is not a female affair ...



      BUT .. How can I? wink The answer is “enter” (or “step” in the Bucket or in some Front wassat ) read the booklets fellow patriotism, "wear pink glasses .... and listen to the song ...." and even in the field of ballet .. we are ahead of the rest ": wassat

      "Clowns" in the style of ala-Pu ... here on the site a lot ... "liked" Grishka 100 watts, well, this is a famous person ... he collected the grain ....
      And in our city the most “unprofitable” enterprise is an elevator, which should go to the city’s budget .. my mother doesn’t grieve (for renting land) and I’ve got a cloud of taxes .. and nothing .... the masters are maskovskie, the roof .. Vedrosovskaya ....
      Scattering forward ... towards a brighter future " wassat

      PS Sorry, but it’s boiling up ... nothing flies (neither missiles, nor planes, practically nothing .. one "exhibition and salons", but we will tear everyone apart)!
      Already got tired ..... understandable Aksakal ... the time comes to answer for your words ... that’s why ... "laying down all the way", and what remains is wassat
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 2 October 2013 17: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: vaf
        understand Aksakal

        “Did I support Leontyev today?” So along the way I noticed that in the USSR his own developments in the field of military technologies in the civilian sphere were not introduced at all. Is not it? Example? Here Izhevsk, the most remarkable mechanics, are developing the most luxurious weapons, well, etc. And in the neighboring workshop, the sloppy “pirizhkovoz” on the basis of the German BMW 1942 of development was riveted right there. To the mechanics, who were just so talented, even if they were going to another workshop, it was too lazy to put one’s head in the course of the slons, so that at least these products would not be so shameful? Yes, even to explain all this is difficult. I understand your deep contempt for the current situation, just something I’m not particularly happy about that Soviet situation, when the weapons are good, and similar civilian products sucks. And this is another soft definition.
        Still, Leont'ev is right about that still Soviet attempt to organize a transfer of military technology to the civilian sphere, which was called "conversion" - remember? "Pans instead of rockets" - so in my opinion they wanted? A little later - the Germans, being deputy prime minister, rush with the idea of ​​organizing the release of Chinese cycling mats instead of combat aircraft on Irkut. Will you deny it?
        Now a slightly different form of transfer - the same Irkut, NOT STOPPING THE ISSUE of its "sloppy" ones - okay, reluctantly I will agree with the VAF, if he is a specialist - SU-30 family aircraft, he is working on the MS-21 civilian aircraft. What will be the result? - I do not know, this is a topic for another discussion. But I like the transfer format itself, which is being implemented now, on the same Irkut, than the format that the Germans, Gorbachev and others tried to implement then. WAF, am I wrong?
      2. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 2 October 2013 17: 24 New
        +7
        VAF
        Well what can I tell you. Wash water is always easier.

        I’m already tired of these remarks in the spirit of “Who owes what,” “They don’t do anything there,” “Yes, it was necessary ...”.
        Tired, chesslovo. Here from some people you will not hear anything positive, except for the permanent discontented bubbling.
        Well, who cares, who wants to read and absorb the negative?

        What didn’t you like about grain?
        Yes, Russia now collects grain no less than in the USSR, and in terms of per capita - more.

        Well, you do not want to read the positive news.
        Well, excuse me, I will not whine and point fingers at others.

        It’s, of course, simple, it’s like you’re always right, it’s like you always get smart and how you know how to do it ...

        But I believe that it’s impossible to make the world a better place. No matter how beautiful it is wrapped.
      3. Botanologist
        Botanologist 2 October 2013 21: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        Sorry, but boiling ...


        Greetings, dear drinks .
        Something you're out of sorts today. What happened?
        Is the dog normal?
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 2 October 2013 17: 10 New
      0
      Quote: New Russia
      HOW can it be possible to rearm in 2017 (the next 3 years) up to 30% (+ 15% to the current), and from 17 to 20, immediately as much as 50% (from 30 to 80%) ???

      And who said that to the present? laughing
    4. Russ69
      Russ69 2 October 2013 19: 50 New
      0
      Quote: New Russia
      But. HOW in 2017 (the next 3 years) it is possible to rearm up to 30% (+ 15% to the current),

      Production cannot be brought to the maximum volume of production in a year, everything needs time.
      And the main bulk purchases will just fall on 2016-2016.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 2 October 2013 13: 44 New
    +6
    Right ode to invincibility!
    Too much has been lost over the past 20 years; we still have to work and work.
    1. VAF
      VAF 2 October 2013 13: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: APASUS
      Right ode to invincibility!


      +! But Leontiev simply "fulfills" his "bread" and his "warm place"!

      Or it’s possible in a rude way ..... with .. in the eyes. But anyway .. God's Ross request
      1. smile
        smile 2 October 2013 19: 41 New
        +5
        VAF
        Welcome.
        But Leontiev, when it comes to economics, is tough enough to rush the leadership of the country, for who does it pay him? I think you’re wrong ... but the fact that his broadcast is very reminiscent of an agitation like the one that praised Merkava yesterday ... well, you need to neutralize the wave of chernukha and lies that polymers spread.

        I think that we have already passed the peak of the fall ... even the miserable remnants of aviation began to fly — in the summer, when I arrive at the dacha near Svetlogorsk, every night anti-submarine helicopters fly from Donskoy overhead ... of course, their crumbs remained, but they at least fly, unlike what happened a few years ago ...

        Will you beat? :)))
  • Hulk
    Hulk 2 October 2013 18: 29 New
    0
    Quote: shark
    "a little dumb office punks with Bolotnaya" - well, it was said very credibly. More precise definitions and selection is difficult. That's right. Without a new industrialization, our country has no future. This is what distinguishes developed countries from banana republics. There will be a rise in industry - there will be work, a salary. By the way, we can safely lure many many high-class specialists from the same Ukraine. Of those who do not want to live in a turned union upside down. There will be many!

    Well, in the Kremlin, on the other hand, there’s a "bump-free office punks from Rublevka." More precise definitions and selection is difficult. All is correct. And industrialization, or rather, talk about it, because Putin is incapable of a more or less meaningful industrial policy - (remember one RosNano created by Putin) - started talking about the industrialization of Messrs. "Kremlin Kremlin" by raising his salary.
    Vladimir Putin increased the salaries of officials, and at once twice - decided to increase them retroactively from September 1 and another year later. By presidential decree, the first deputy chairmen of the government will now receive a salary of approximately 62 thousand rubles. And from September 1, 2014 - 97 thousand with a little. It is not clear, however, why these very first deputy chairmen on the very day of signing this decree publicly contradict him. Less than two weeks after the announcement of the authorities that the salaries of officials will be frozen. So Igor Shuvalov said that the government supported the decision to “non-index” salaries to civil servants, and thus “it starts with itself”.

    http://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2013/10/01_e_5677141.shtml

    Meanwhile, employees of the Ivanovo ambulance declare their readiness to go on a hunger strike.
    “Our salaries are critically small. We just get the allowance, which is enough for bread, but we are at the forefront of protecting the health of citizens, ”the letter says. - The paramedic receives at a rate of 7–10 thousand rubles, a doctor –– 15–18 thousand rubles, drivers –– 9–10 thousand rubles. But the checks show other amounts. Averaged: head physician + deputies + employees divided by the total number of individuals, and it turns out that we make good money. Maybe not bad, considering that many work on two bets. The brigades are exhausted to the limit ... After a day, paramedics go to work in other medical facilities. And drivers after a 12-hour shift go to work in a taxi for the night. ”
    http://www.gazeta.ru/social/2013/10/02/5678129.shtml

    As a result of this policy of Putin, there will probably be tanks and planes in the Army.
    But if your child gets sick, calling an ambulance will be pointless. There will be nobody to help the sick.
    Does a child need a tank instead of medicine? Ask the tank dad about this.
    1. Fin
      Fin 2 October 2013 19: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Hulk
      Does a child need a tank instead of medicine? Ask the tank dad about this.

      And if there is no dad on a modern tank, plane, ship, then everyone will increase their salaries, doctors will resort quickly, medicines will be cheap, and pensioners will travel abroad to rest?
      No need to mix everything together.
  • gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 2 October 2013 18: 54 New
    -1
    The combat readiness indicator is the availability of modern military equipment in units, subunits, squadrons, and fleets. When the abovementioned units and formations are manned with trained and authorized personnel, and not the presence of separate single exhibition models of this equipment, managed and maintained by qualified engineers of manufacturers, and only in peacetime.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 October 2013 19: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Stiletto
    Apollon, I fully agree with your conclusions. A separate plus - for the good drive - Valery Leontiev! And that’s true: the guy sings sweetly, but something is often conjunctural. Not just under the "plywood", but, as if, on someone's corporate party.

    It is a weather vane .. under any power afloat (such in Russia are the most dangerous and difficult to expose ..)
    And again a lot of them appeared suddenly .. And they sing interrupting each other in all the media .. on the contrary ..
    1. alone
      alone 2 October 2013 21: 18 New
      0
      leont'ev ordinary chatterbox! carries out all sorts of orders! believe him not respect yourself!
  • Sour
    Sour 2 October 2013 20: 54 New
    +1
    In general, Michael said correctly.
    But he could have congratulated the soldiers and officers of the Ground Forces on the holiday.
    All the same, these are the troops on which Russia has held its back in all ages. smile
  • Hulk
    Hulk 2 October 2013 21: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Fin
    And if there is no dad on a modern tank, plane, ship, then everyone will increase their salaries, doctors will resort quickly, medicines will be cheap, and pensioners will travel abroad to rest?

    According to the official statistical information (FSN reporting form No. 30), in 2010 there were 757 full-time medical posts in healthcare institutions of the system of the Ministry of Health and Social Development of Russia.
    Defense spending this year will amount to 2346 billion rubles (approximately 59 billion euros).

    In 2014, another 18,2% more will be spent on defense - 2700 billion rubles.
    Using simple mathematics, we calculate one percent. 2700: 100 = 27 billion
    Divide 27 billion by the number of medical staff. 27: 000 = 000. Rubles
    An 18% increase in defense spending will yield 35664 * 18 = 641952 rubles per year or an additional 53496 rubles per month.
    So everyone does not need to raise, people are not without hands, they will earn money, if only there was work. And there will be enough money for the medical staff and will still be left to purchase new ambulances so that they arrive on time and save their lives, rather than write out a death certificate.
    1. Fin
      Fin 2 October 2013 22: 02 New
      -1
      Hulk. No need to trouble yourself with calculations, save on that.
      Look at the costs of Rusnano and tell us about
      Quote: Hulk
      the purchase of new ambulances so that they arrive on time and save their lives, and not write out a death certificate.

      Chubais and other statesmen. And if the world democrats arrive, then doctors and medicines may not be needed.
  • Hulk
    Hulk 2 October 2013 23: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Fin
    Look at the costs of Rusnano and tell

    Well, you are a joker. Yes, GDP will probably starve the last doctor before taking the ruble from Chubais.
    And you need to save everywhere wisely. And then after all it is possible and "world democratizers" not to wait at all. You can grunt earlier from hunger, cold, and doctor’s treatment on 2 doctor shifts, if at all.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 3 October 2013 00: 47 New
    -3
    I vividly remember this court paganist-solo player in the 90s. Does anyone else pay attention to him
    good paid chatter, for which in a decent society he would have received a boot from his unshaven harem. bully
    1. smile
      smile 3 October 2013 04: 15 New
      +2
      EdwardTich68
      I understand that you think that a "decent society" is ... g ... a nation? as Lenin rightly said ..... :)))) You know, this is the first time I linked to it on this site .... But he’s right, damn it ... :)))) The rotten intelligentsia doesn’t stinks less on if she is called creative .... :)))
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 3 October 2013 04: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: smile
        for which in decent society he would have received a boot with his unshaven harem. bully

        Quote: smile
        do you think that a "decent society" is ... g ... a nation?

        Imagine - an intellectual in boots hitting someone in a mug wassat It’s abruptly falling jack good
  • vanderhaas
    vanderhaas 3 October 2013 02: 43 New
    +2
    That's right, Leontiev! People who develop new products and embody these new products in metal are the country's main wealth, not oil and gas. If it came to the power of those in power ...