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In Nizhny Tagil "Ural" presented its new armored cars

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At the 9-th international exhibition of military equipment, weapons and ammunition “Russian exhibition of weapons. Nizhny Tagil-2013 ”(Russia Arms EXPO 2013), one of the leading Russian manufacturers of cargo vehicles, the Ural automobile plant, presented several interesting novelties intended for Russian power structures. We are talking about modularly created family of multifunctional armored vehicles "Typhoon-U", super resistant to undermining the machines "Ural-53099", as well as machines for the Internal Troops "Ural-BB". It is about creating a tactical family of vehicles of various wheeled formulas, which will be distinguished by high unification.


Russia Arms EXPO 2013 traditionally took place in Nizhny Tagil from 25 to 28 in September. Within the framework of the exhibition, not only the novelties of the Ural were shown, but also their unique possibilities of overcoming obstacles were demonstrated (as part of a dynamic display). The basis of the automobile plant's exposition was the Typhoon-U family of multifunctional well-protected armored vehicles, which are designed to solve a wide range of tactical tasks, transport special cargo, tow trailer systems across all types of terrain and roads. This is a promising family of armored cars of the new generation, which is distinguished by enhanced protection of the crew, main components and assemblies, cargo from bullets and fragments, as well as a unique system of mine protection. In the machines presented at the exhibition a number of innovative design solutions were implemented.

The car "Typhoon-U" is a mobile platform that allows you to create cars with different wheel formulas, different levels of security from a set of various modules (power plant, control module, bridge, etc.), while at the base of the car is a bonnet layout . This design with a sufficiently large mass of armor protection of the machine allows for optimal distribution of the load on the ground, which provides the Typhoon with excellent cross-country ability. At the same time, the cars of the Ural family, unlike their counterparts, have a high unification on the component and aggregate base.

In Nizhny Tagil "Ural" presented its new armored cars
Typhoon-U

This year, the Russian armed forces are to receive the first experimental-industrial batch of multi-purpose tactical armored vehicles "Typhoon-U". These machines must take part in the program of state and military testing. In total, according to the site Rosoboronpostavka.rf, 30 units of this equipment should have been produced, the total cost of the lot will be 1 billion. 74 million rubles.

The development of these armored cars is a kind of technological breakthrough for Russian defense companies, since, despite the urgent need for such vehicles since the war in Afghanistan, our army was content with only trucks with local reservations. If such military equipment had appeared in the national army earlier, then perhaps it would have been possible to avoid so many victims in the protracted conflict in the Caucasus and various peacekeeping operations that were carried out by the Russian army over the past two decades. At the same time, the Russian designers did not sit with folded arms, even in the conditions of meager funding, work on the creation of advanced military equipment was carried out, but for obvious reasons, these machines were not purchased by the army.

Just a couple of years ago, it was reported that in Russia, in Naberezhnye Chelny and Miass, new cars of the perspective Typhoon family were developed. The KamAZ version of the main name received an addition in the form of a letter “K”, and the vehicles from the Ural received the designation Typhoon-U. The very first public display of these modern armored vehicles caused a storm of delight, even among those people who are far from military equipment. Many acknowledged the fact that the cars presented in no way inferior to modern Western designs.


Indeed, the well-protected armored car "Typhoon-U" has a sufficiently significant mass, about 24 tons. The most advanced world technologies are applied in his armor protection. Radically solved the issue of increasing mine resistance. In addition to the traditional V-shaped bottom of the machine, which has already become, it itself is made of multi-layer, a special anti-mine pan is used. In addition, the floor inside the car is made on special elastic elements, and the landing is placed in the car on special shock-absorbing seats, which are equipped with belts and head restraints.

As part of the Nizhny Tagil exhibition, the public was shown for the first time a protected armored car "Ural-53099", presented in a modification with the wheel formula 4х4. The car is characterized by the presence of a single-armored hull for transporting 10 people. This car is completely unified with cars with wheel formula 6x6. Throttle and fairly maneuverable car, equipped with an engine capacity of 350 l. with. It will be used to recruit command and control centers and command various types of weapons. In the creation of this armored car, more than two dozen of the leading defense companies of the country took part. In particular, the resistance to undermining and the vehicle's armor protection was calculated by the specialists of the VNIIF - the All-Russian Research Institute for Nuclear Physics.

Another novelty was a well-protected vehicle for the Russian power structures “Ural-VV”, which was designed according to the technical task of the main command of the Interior Ministry of Russia. "Ural-VV" is the most consistent with all tasks set by the customer and has no analogues. The armored car with a wheel formula 6х6 has a single-volume armored body in which you can safely place up to 17 internal troops in fully armed and has strong anti-mine protection. The layout of the armored car is free, which allows you to install on it various versions of combat modules and equipment, depending on the assigned operational tasks. The powerful engine YAMZ of the Euro-4 standard and the well-proven chassis of the multi-purpose vehicle Ural-4320 provide the new product with high reliability and modern technical level. This car will be the basis for a whole family of tactical protected vehicles with a high degree of unification and different wheel formulas. The car can be used by all Russian law enforcement agencies without exception.

"Ural-53099"

The base of the family are multifunctional all-wheel drive protected three-axle cars "Ural-63095" (Typhoon-U) and "Ural-63099". The samples presented at the exhibition were modernized. "Ural-63099" (wheel formula 6х6) is a modern armored car with a one-volume body, which provides good protection for the crew, main components and assemblies, cargo from rifle weaponsand also equipped with mine protection. The one-volume body of this vehicle is designed to transport 12 people.

Frame armored car "Ural-63095" (wheel formula 6х6) is a bonnet multifunctional modular car. Its functional module has 16 footprints. The cabin of the car is three-seater, armored, it has a folding berth. Both cars have independent suspension with adjustable ground clearance and are designed to transport personnel and special cargo on roads of any type. On these armored cars can be installed up to several dozen different weapons systems, as well as military equipment for the Airborne Forces, Ground Forces and other security forces.

These cars are equipped with an automatic 6-speed gearbox, high-powered engines - 450 hp, which are produced by the Yaroslavl engine plant, which is part of the GAZ Group, as well as a mechanical 2-speed transfer case. On cars there is a two-way power steering system. During the solution of combat missions, cars are able to overcome almost two-meter fords, vertical walls up to 0,6 meters in height and rises to 60%.

"Ural-BB"

Both new models are equipped with 2 fuel tanks with a capacity of 210 liters each, which exclude the possibility of fuel outflow and ignition. Cruising range of cars over 1000 km. Armored cars are equipped with a modern electronic control system with an open architecture, this system is highly reliable. This system not only displays to the driver all the necessary information about the state of the units and components of the machine, but is also able to perform the necessary diagnostics. If necessary, it can automatically report to the control on the state and location of the machine, as well as connect to external control systems. In this case, on the factory samples, research is being conducted on the study of robotic control of armored vehicles without human intervention.

At the exhibition, a wide delegation of Russian and foreign military met with the products of Miass Automobile Plant engineers. In addition, the exhibition was visited by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, with whom Vice Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Dmitry Manturov, and Presidential Envoy to the Urals Federal District Igor Kholmanskikh visited. They all met with the products of Russian and foreign manufacturers presented at the exhibition, talked with the developers and designers of military equipment. And then at the site were able to observe the demonstration shows of military equipment.

Information sources:
-http: //www.uralaz.ru/news.php? id = 2 & period = 201309 & newsid = 1700
-http: //warfiles.ru/show-23306-noveyshie-broneavtomobili-tayfun-u-po-zaschischennosti-prevoshodyat-imeyuschiesya-v-voyskah-btry-i-bmp.html
-http://miass-online.ru/novosti/2013/09/28/na-vystavke-v-nizhnem-tagile-az-%C2%ABural%C2%BB-predstavil-srazu-neskolko-novinok-dlya-sil
-http: //spbvoditel.ru/2013/09/25/034
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 October 2013 08: 13 New
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    Good cars, and they are needed in the army.
    Bigger and faster.
    1. vadimus
      vadimus 2 October 2013 08: 18 New
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      Beauties! It's time to think about people!
      1. ilf
        ilf 2 October 2013 09: 30 New
        +9
        We are waiting for these beauties, especially the fighting forces, special forces of the VV
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 7 October 2013 19: 37 New
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          Where is this one?
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  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 2 October 2013 08: 20 New
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    An excellent sample. I wonder whose cars are better, "Ural" or "Kamaz"?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 2 October 2013 09: 03 New
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      Quote: xetai9977
      I wonder whose cars are better, "Ural" or "Kamaz"?


      In my opinion, the statement of the question itself is a bit incorrect. It's the same as comparing, for example, BMW cars and Daimler Benz.
      The families of these trucks, each of which has its own advantages and advantages.
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 October 2013 11: 53 New
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        Quote: Apollon
        In my opinion, the statement of the question itself is a little incorrect

        And yet, personally, in my opinion, "Urals" have always been better than their "KAMAZ" brothers, specifically for the army ... And I am glad that such "Urals" have appeared and I really hope to see them in the army ...
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 2 October 2013 13: 20 New
          +8
          Quote: svp67
          personally in my opinion "Urals" have always been better than their "KAMAZ" brothers,

          Sergei, after reading the comment, recalled his own "travel" in the bodies ...
          -In the first place, of course, ZIL-131. Smooth as a duck. Gluttonous, of course, radish.
          -Next - Ural.
          -Well, in the "wagtail" Kamaz, there is a long march on the side bench ... the spine only slightly aches afterwards.
          We tried to fit on the floor of the body. In winter (in overalls, wadded pants and felt boots) finally fell into the tumble and, "drowned the mass."
          I have nothing against Kamaz, I just remembered.
          Eh. nostalgia... winked

          I drove the same about preference in the Caucasus a little lower.
          1. bask
            bask 2 October 2013 13: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: Aleks tv
            -In the first place, of course, ZIL-131. Smooth as a duck. Gluttonous, of course, radish.

            Hi Lesh.
            I'm like an old brush repeat I can tell on the cross.
            1.KAMAZ 4310.2. Ural 4230.3. ZIL 131 = Gas 66.
            Quote: Aleks tv
            -Well, in the "wagtail" Kamaz there is a long march on the side bench ...

            At KAMAZ we spent a night in the kung, drove up to 600 versts. Like in Merc. good
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 2 October 2013 13: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: bask
              GAZ 66.

              Greetings, Andrew!

              Here I somehow did not have a chance to use the legendary shishiga heavily. So, from case to case.

              And about my "travels" in the back (not in a box, but on folding benches and the floor) of Kamaz, of course, I am writing amateurishly.
              I'm not special, just memories ...
              Wow and shook us once (a day ride from Grozny to the Prokhladnenskaya division and back).
              This lapper was seem 4310.

              IMHO, do not kick much.
              laughing
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                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 2 October 2013 14: 39 New
                  +5
                  Quote: bask
                  In Chechnya, all houses have iron gates, 5 mm

                  That's for sure ... the gates are almost armored ...
                  And at home with stone fences ... I still remember these cobblestones stacked in rows in a slope.
                  There are no such pictures on the internet.

                  Quote: bask
                  , so that our something similar would be stolen by freight cars ,,, armored personnel carrier, MBT.

                  It was Andrew. It was.
                  But everything is handicraft and self-initiated ... in single copies, mostly the commandant's officers were "exiled", they had such an opportunity, and they had no other way out, no one would have protected them except themselves.
                  And the material used was classic - "the one that does not lie well".

                  More often, of course, simple means at hand cost - bags or boxes of sand (as on that Kamaz).
                  It's a shame that for so long we make decisions on the necessary technique ...
                  If you recall the introduction of BMP-2 from behind Afghanistan, then in the Union your space speeds were in response to requests from the Army.
                  Eheh, I grumble already, like an old man.
                  1. bask
                    bask 2 October 2013 15: 00 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    If you recall the introduction of BMP-2 from behind Afghanistan, then in the Union your space speeds were in response to

                    There was a war in Afghanistan, in parallel in the 80s in Angola. There were a lot of our specialists.
                    South Africa made full use of their MRAP, which could withstand the detonation of 2 anti-tank mines. Our guns captured and studied these vehicles. But no conclusions were made. In Afghanistan, the Soviet MRAP never appeared. The soldiers went on bare, non-armored KamAZs and Urals . Undermining italyashki, croakers.
              2. svp67
                svp67 3 October 2013 18: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Here I somehow did not have a chance to use the legendary shishiga heavily. So, from case to case.
                The main thing there is to have time to stay in the back, especially to those who are sitting on the edge, otherwise you can fly out of a catapult, he is very jumpy, but also a "rogue" laughing It’s excellent because it’s light ...
                1. ildar335
                  ildar335 7 October 2013 16: 28 New
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                  I saw how KAMAZ drowned in a puddle in a cab, they thought they were already behoy to pull
                  BUT the Armenian mortar drove up on a shishiga and pulled out with a half-kick !!! belay laughing
                  and the KAMAZ driver had to be affixed to a cunning colleague! good
          2. ildar335
            ildar335 7 October 2013 16: 22 New
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            Well, in the "wagtail" Kamaz, there is a long march on the side bench ... the spine only slightly aches afterwards.
            Well, I don’t know ... "pinched" in the back of KAMAZ "be healthy!" laughing
            BUT! Somehow going to one of the field exits (I'm a participant in the events smile ) machines were allocated as always a little, and so, in ONE URAL it was stamped:
            MCP company (crews went on a march with behi) with a matbase and personal weapons;
            a platoon of GDV with a matbase and its own pukalkas - "AGS17";
            platoon of bundles with a matbase, personal weapons and walkie-talkies (r-159)
            how climbed and arrived (about 90km) still do not understand! belay
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 2 October 2013 09: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: xetai9977
      I wonder whose cars are better, "Ural" or "Kamaz"?


      It seems to me that they have slightly different tasks. If I'm wrong - correct!
      And so - the cars are beautiful!
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 2 October 2013 10: 32 New
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      Quote: xetai9977
      An excellent sample. I wonder whose cars are better, "Ural" or "Kamaz"?


      (+) good question, the UralAZ plant is part of the GAZ group owned by O. Derebaska. About the latter, I can say that KRASAVCHEG, did not let many Russian car factories go bankrupt, re-equipped and modernized all production facilities, for example, the first Russian engine of the E-4 530 and 630 series standards was developed at YaMZ, which, by the way, are installed on KAMAZ-63968 "Typhoon" K ", in addition, brought bus production to a high-quality level, if I do not confuse it, then in 2012 about 15000 units (this is with small-capacity buses) this is a lot, under the USSR they did not produce so much. Another moment, the Urals and Kamaz are a little incorrect to compare, in terms of the number of products manufactured in Uralaz, it is 5-6 times less, the second Kamaz is a niche of cabover trucks, Uralaz are bonnet trucks. The opinion on the build quality is quite subjective by and large, and this and that G, is primarily associated with the cancellation of military acceptance, as they say, "it used to be better" in terms of maintainability and both are normal, there are more distribution of Kamaz trucks, and the distribution of service stations (repairs on outsourcing ) KamAZ has more.
      1. Varnaga
        Varnaga 2 October 2013 11: 02 New
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        Excuse me, have you actually been to Uralaz? Features of production - fatal wear and tear of production facilities, a colossally outdated machine park (except for some well-equipped sites), besides, sharpened for mass (!) Production. What does it mean? There are no details that the readjustments for others included in the same group. The plant was designed for the production of 40 cars per year, now it produces about 000, before the crisis of the EMNP there were about 6 cars per year, do you know what this means? The equipment load factor is approximately 000-13 (with an economically justified 000-0,1), respectively, the existing capacities are used extremely inefficiently! What are you talking about ?! What a handsome? The plant was funded by the GAZ group on a leftover principle and is actually vegetating in poverty, people are leaving it in batches! "PRETTY BOY".
        Now, thank God, the situation is beginning to improve, finally changed Corman (there are a lot of nuances, in principle, I have a squeeze on personnel shifts, just reprint reluctance), significant funding has been allocated (they say, under the guarantee of the State Defense order, that is, the state , which was already pulling the plant through the same state defense order and programs related to it), for all the post-crisis time, at least some prospects started to emerge!

        Ural plant will receive 11 billion for modernization
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 2 October 2013 11: 20 New
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          I wasn’t your truth at the factory, I’m more confronted with their products, the topic isn’t ours, more and more for KAMAZ and buses, before the release of 2011 ~ 11500 trucks and 850 rotations, this is less than before the crisis (15000 units). and yet. more than 2010

          and as for the "handsome" according to your link:
          GAS Group net profit under IFRS for 2012 increased by 2011% compared to 3,5, to 8,8 billion rubles
          Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/17336
          do you think this is not enough? look at USC for 6 years all in the cons
          1. Varnaga
            Varnaga 2 October 2013 12: 32 New
            +5
            We are talking not about the GAZ group as a whole, but about a specific plant; in 2008, the net loss amounted to 4,3 mln. rub, now the situation has certainly leveled off, but overall the picture is about the same, just recently, another wave of layoffs has passed.
            And here is the USC? I’m certainly not an economist, but I don’t understand how the corporation can make a profit in the short term, when a lot of money is invested in the industry for the acquisition of assets, modernization, etc. It seems to me that the payback horizon for such investments is 5-10 years, in connection with this, it is difficult to expect profit in financial statements before breaking even.
            Threat in 2009, the loss of USC amounted to 2,5 million rubles. (I did not find later figures).
            ZYY Now, Kadylkin, who headed YaMZ, was appointed as the general director of Ural, we do know what YaMZ was and what it became?) In general, according to Andersson (president of the GAZ group), the task is to create a new new model range, modernize production, sales, strengthen positions in the market ...
            1. bask
              bask 2 October 2013 22: 31 New
              +4
              Quote: Varnaga
              Ovam Andersson (President of GAZ Group),

              "" Chairman of the Board of Directors of OJSC GAZ Bo Andersson has been appointed President of GAZ Group .....
              He began his career in 1987, receiving the position of GM for relations with Saab ... In 1997 Anderson was promoted to vice president of purchasing for the European division of GM. In 1999 he returned to North America where he headed GM's international procurement business ... From April 2007 to June 2009, he was Vice President of the GM Group for Global Procurement Policy ... ""
              http://www.basel.ru/sectornews/gaznews_07_08_2009/

              Here comedians, a man from GM, leads GAZ, with all the secret info on the development of the BTR ,, Boomerang ,,,. Amers already know about this development in detail.
              But to us the noodles on our ears ,, SECRET ,,, from whom we secretly gentlemen, from our people.
              1. Varnaga
                Varnaga 3 October 2013 08: 04 New
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                You do not bring nonsense that, in your opinion, in Arzamas or Miass there are no RSOs at the enterprises, is it the first department? Well, does the FSTEC also pop your ears? And the law on state secrets doesn’t work and its implementation is not ensured by state structures, by the same FSTEC? Maybe you have specific information about what and to what extent went abroad, in particular, on the Boomerang, or is this passage just another “chief, mustache is gone !! 1”?
                Threat, our developers are no less aware of what and how our "colleagues" are successfully doing.
                1. bask
                  bask 3 October 2013 12: 48 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  You do not carry nonsense, that, p

                  Mr. Varnaga.
                  I am not talking nonsense, but expressing my purely personal point of view ...
                  You may not agree with me, but why invent an imaginary obscenity ... using an administrative resource.
                  I believe that foreigners cannot be placed in such strategic positions. At GM, there are some from the Slavs.
                  1. Varnaga
                    Varnaga 3 October 2013 13: 06 New
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                    Why imaginary then? Everything is quite specific
      2. pawel57
        pawel57 2 October 2013 12: 31 New
        +1
        Gas tank in no armored hull. Armored?
        1. 31231
          31231 2 October 2013 14: 47 New
          +1
          It’s good that is outside the kung. Well, they will pierce with a bullet and pierce. Temporarily shut up with a chopstick, and then it can be repaired and can be more reliably. Moreover, there are most likely two of them. From incendiary is not a fact that light up
          .
          1. pawel57
            pawel57 3 October 2013 09: 24 New
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            Beat BZT, several and burns like a candle. Practice.
      3. Serg 122
        Serg 122 2 October 2013 18: 51 New
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        primarily due to the abolition of military acceptance
        Where did you get this? Acceptance remained, but alas, the sense of it ...
    4. Rustam
      Rustam 2 October 2013 12: 07 New
      +1
      xetai9977
      . I wonder whose cars are better, "Ural" or "Kamaz"?


      Let's start from the beginning - we are just starting the journey along armored and protected vehicles, really lagging behind the Western models, before for some reason little attention was paid to this area, especially mine protection,type and so it goes

      In the army, for example, before the arrival of Serdyukov, such conceptions of armored vehicles attracted little attention of both designers and the generals, then when (unexpectedly for the military-industrial complex) he went hitting all directions for lack of proper samples and first orders for the same Ivek and possible orders for armored vehicles like Btrov and Freight there-people stir looking at the army of explosives also began to move in this direction-although they need it most

      The result: at the end of the year, 30 units from Kamaz and Uralaz OJSC will be delivered to the army, after which state tests and tests in the troops will be carried out, after which one candidate will be selected - only one must remain

      the pre-battle disposition is the same with Kamaz-gentlemen Chemezov OJSC (lobby), beginning Gabto Shevchenko
      from Uralaz Deripaska (lobby), a part of the generals began to dry troops and airborne forces (according to rumors)

      In general, it will be interesting

      on BB while there are poor boxes with benches, the Typhoon BB instance is not bad, but when it arrives for testing and the order is unknown (at least the end of 14 years), they are still busy finalizing the Bear from AMZ

      It seems that everything in the Ural photo with a cramped booth and small benches (something) comes into the explosives - look at the western samples (like land and air)
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 2 October 2013 12: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Rustam
        It seems that everything in the Ural photo with a cramped booth and small benches (something) comes into the explosives - look at the western samples (like land and air)

        Again, you, Rustam, are confusing the "Pokemon" which even in this performance saved many lives, with quite modern developments ... Or does "Lynx" again haunt you in tandem with the doctrine of a terrorist war?
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 2 October 2013 13: 21 New
          +3
          Timeout Or "Lynx" haunts you again


          1- in the Urals they still go in such a performance, it’s not like the beginning of the 2000s in the yard — there really is plenty to choose from

          2-by IVECO LMV- yes, at one time I advocated for this little thing (we will not explain the reasons explained) now seeing like what The RF Ministry of Defense orders and in what configuration, I regret that only 357 units will arrive in the Russian army, and not 3000 as planned by Serdyukov
          1. bask
            bask 2 October 2013 13: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Rustam
            1- in the Urals, they still go in this design, in the courtyard it’s not the beginning of the 2000s, the truth is

            Rustam, really, which meets the modern requirement for ballistic and mine protection is Typhoons, KamAZ and Ural.
            On the way for VV SMP-03 ,, Bear ,,. And perhaps-ALL !!!
            ,, Tigers ,, even with a maximum level of protection, it’s more like an armored car .. for the police than for the RA.
            Here is, “Wolf,” an analogue of Western JLTV. But also in the basic configuration without anti-mine protection. And an independent suspension with variable clearance, it is very complicated and expensive to manufacture.
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 2 October 2013 14: 10 New
              +3
              bask Tigers ,, even with a maximum level of protection, more like an armored car .. for the police rather than for the RA


              Hi. I never said that Tiger it is ideal
              But if the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation buys them, you probably should take it to the maximum, right? rather than buying with class 3 and without anything-then Iveka is better

              on Wolf-these dumbasses again ordered everything at a minimum and mine seats are unnecessary to them - here's how to fight?

              Well, if you buy protected cars in the west it’s not tedious — then order and demand with all sorts of sweets (the manufacturers themselves offer them, together with Western companies)but this is not for us
              do not


              here is a photo (clickable) from the borders of the motherland -for brother no niche (TIGER SPM2 with the latest SAFEPRO Nekstersemi anti-mine armchairs) a poster with Nekster's sweets was posted in another post, just who needs it?probably me and other indifferent citizens in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation so far they said that this is superfluous, and there in the service Duncans Maclauts
              1. bask
                bask 2 October 2013 14: 36 New
                +2
                Quote: Rustam

                here is a photo (clickable) from the backstage of the motherland - I don’t feel sorry for the brotherhood (TIGER SPM2 with the latest Nekstersemi anti-mine armchairs SAFEPRO) a poster with tasty Neksters,

                Hi Rustam (sewn up).
                Excellent mine action seats. And at the feet there is no contact with the floor. If there is no break in the bottom during the explosion, protection is guaranteed.
                The only way out (but I understand this is not realistic). All this splendor and the maximum level of protection should be laid in the base model.
                Rustan, according to the independent suspension, Wolf, somehow it looks flimsy. Yes, and why the variable clearance. This is not a waste.
                1. bask
                  bask 2 October 2013 14: 46 New
                  +1
                  But like the bourgeois from South Africa.
                2. Rustam
                  Rustam 2 October 2013 16: 30 New
                  +1
                  bask
                  independent suspension, Wolf, somehow it looks flimsy. Yes and why variable clearance.


                  The military in the west is doing so and wants the main customer
      2. bask
        bask 2 October 2013 13: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Rustam
        It seems that everything in the Ural photo with a cramped booth and benches (something) comes into the explosives - look at the western samples (like the earth

        And Western samples don't have everything in chocolate. I posted yesterday, Amerr in Afghanistan use 70000 Oshkohs, armored ... with an armored kung.

        1. Rustam
          Rustam 2 October 2013 14: 13 New
          +1
          bask. I posted yesterday, Amerr in Afghanistan use 70000 units of Oshkohs


          Andrei, well, probably the wooden benches there are definitely dumb
          1. bask
            bask 2 October 2013 14: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Rustam
            probably wooden shops there are definitely dumb

            It is not strange to eat, it does not work out, but it is covered with paralon and upholstered with dermontin. Comfort above all.
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 2 October 2013 14: 35 New
              +1
              How not strange to eat


              This is interesting, I haven’t seen it at any exhibition, and in what class is this armored car with an armor plate protected and the e-mite? and what kind of model?
              1. bask
                bask 2 October 2013 14: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Rustam
                counteraction e? and what kind of model?

                Oshkosh MTVR freight platform.
                Here is the link .http: //www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_646.html
    5. pawel57
      pawel57 2 October 2013 12: 19 New
      +2
      Generally patency of the Urals.
  3. Apollo
    Apollo 2 October 2013 08: 23 New
    11
    quote-The basic in the family are multifunctional all-wheel drive protected three-axle cars "Ural-63095" (Typhoon-U) and "Ural-63099».




    citation-Another novelty was the well-protected vehicle for the Russian power structures “Ural-VV”, which was designed according to the technical specifications of the main command of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs VV. “Ural-VV” maximally provides the new product with high reliability and modern technical level. It meets all the tasks set by the customer and has no analogues.

    quote-Powerful YaMZ engine of Euro-4 standard and well-proven chassis of a multi-purpose vehicleUral-4320»Provide the new product with high reliability and modern technical level.

    probably in the article a typo, we are still talking about "Ural-43206»




    article plus. good
  4. knyazDmitriy
    knyazDmitriy 2 October 2013 08: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: xetai9977
    An excellent sample. I wonder whose cars are better, "Ural" or "Kamaz"?

    Well, in general, the Urals have an advantage in the bonnet lineup, because when a mine is blown up, the blow falls on the engine, while on Kamaz it’s on the cockpit, and therefore on the crew. therefore, in hot spots definitely use the Urals, KamAZ for the rear
    1. yanus
      yanus 2 October 2013 11: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: knyazDmitriy
      Quote: xetai9977
      An excellent sample. I wonder whose cars are better, "Ural" or "Kamaz"?

      Well, in general, the Urals have an advantage in the bonnet lineup, because when a mine is blown up, the blow falls on the engine, while on Kamaz it’s on the cockpit, and therefore on the crew. therefore, in hot spots definitely use the Urals, KamAZ for the rear

      and a lot of landmines of push action now? )))
      "Button" will undermine under the body and it does not matter, "bonnet" line-up or not.
    2. Serg 122
      Serg 122 2 October 2013 18: 57 New
      -1
      the Urals have an advantage in the bonnet lineup, as when undermining a mine, the blow falls on the engine
      Sorry, but this is the problem! In the Ural-4320, when the engine is blown up, it flies up, and on armored versions, where do you think ??? Right in the cab !!! Chechnya successfully proved it
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 2 October 2013 19: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Serg 122
        In the Ural-4320, when an engine is blown up, it flies up, and in armored versions, where do you think ??? Right in the cab !!! Chechnya successfully proved it

        Sergey, a serious application for info ...
        It would be necessary in more detail about this.

        Himself did not have to drive in the armored Urals, but only on simple ones.
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 2 October 2013 19: 22 New
          0
          Unfortunately (rather fortunately) I have no photo of these consequences. But by the nature of his activity, he communicated a lot with the drivers (and with the passengers) of such cars. Armor on the doors - certainly not a panacea, but the guys preferred just such a "classic" version - the hard worker Ural-4320. "More options to stay alive" - ​​they said
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 2 October 2013 19: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Serg 122
            Unfortunately (rather fortunately) I do not have a photo of these consequences. But by type of activity, he talked a lot with drivers (and passengers) of such cars.

            How would you tell Sergey ...
            I'll try culturally:
            For such, he said that "dvigl in the armored Urals flies into the cockpit", and what is more Ch. Proved it.
            It is necessary to RESPOND for your words.

            Maybe throw off some more convincing info?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 2 October 2013 19: 42 New
              +2
              It is impossible to provide sufficient anti-mine protection for the machine by just selecting the shape of the bottom of the armored body (armored capsule), installing the anti-mine pallet, and mounting additional armor plates on the frame. Since we are talking about the protection of personnel, it is worth recalling the main factors of the defeat of a person inside the reserved volume in case of undermining.
              The kinetic energy of the explosion products is largely spent on the deformation and movement of obstacles, which are the elements of an armored object. The amazing factors for people inside the object are: the shock wave of the explosion, leading to deformation of the armored structure of the machine; the shock wave "flowing" inside the inhabited compartment, and high-intensity impulse noises, causing barotrauma to the organs of hearing and vision; fragmentation flow formed by fragments of bullets and armor; vertical and horizontal overloads, leading to damage to the spine and limbs. According to the requirements, the machine must provide protection for personnel when undermining under a geometric center or a second pair of wheels (i.e. directly under the bottom of the kung) a charge of 6 kg of TNT equivalent . Such a charge corresponds to a heavy anti-tank mine, and a homemade landmine laid and masked for a short time in solid (eg, rocky) soil is rarely much larger. So the indicated amount of charge can be considered quite reasonable.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 2 October 2013 19: 44 New
                +1
                Lesh here is all the information about the tests http://lib.rus.ec/b/448406/read
                1. Serg 122
                  Serg 122 2 October 2013 19: 57 New
                  0
                  From there: Reservation of the engine is carried out (at the request of the customer) on the Ural vehicle and only from the sides, top and front, according to the 5th class (on KAMAZ with its layout scheme, booking the engine is unrealistic). So sorry ...
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 2 October 2013 19: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  The kinetic energy of the explosion products is largely spent on the deformation and movement of obstacles, which are the elements of an armored object.

                  Yes. The hood should take off first ...
                  And the fighters just have a shell shock as a gift "from the institution" to the delight of their relatives.
                  wink
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  here is all the information about the tests

                  Thank you, Sanya!
            2. Serg 122
              Serg 122 2 October 2013 19: 42 New
              0
              It is said above: Unfortunately (rather fortunately) I do not have a photo of these consequences Earnestly?
              And for the words I ALWAYS RESPOND TO MY
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 2 October 2013 20: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Serg 122
                Earnestly?

                NO.
                For this phrase:
                Quote: Serg 122
                Chechnya successfully proved it

                Don't just bang your fingers on the keyboard with such "bukavki".
                Okay?
                You will dispute - EXPLODE, I guarantee.
                Better not.

                Or prove your words, you can scribble in PM.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 2 October 2013 20: 10 New
                  +4
                  ........................
                2. Serg 122
                  Serg 122 2 October 2013 20: 12 New
                  0
                  Yes EXPLODE, which is already there ... The only thing I really worry about is that I did not manage to make a name in my text, i.e. take the floor successfully at "". Your comment got in the way. It goes without saying that I do not see anything "successful" in this. If you think that something is wrong in my words - your own business
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 2 October 2013 22: 18 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Serg 122
                    Yes EXPLODE, which is already there ...

                    No, Sergey ...
                    I expressed this word “in emotions”, and in your comment it looks “actually” ...
                    Well, nafik ...
                    Quote: Serg 122
                    If you think that something is wrong in my words - it is your own business

                    And "Your own business" too ...
                    Just be careful with the words.
                    Good luck, Sergey.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 2 October 2013 22: 23 New
                      +2
                      Lesh, but they could just misinform Sergei so to speak, you yourself know how many tales are told, especially under the life-giving moisture.
                      1. Serg 122
                        Serg 122 2 October 2013 23: 31 New
                        +1
                        Perhaps of course. Although I know these people firsthand, balabol like never been. But ... Anything can happen good
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 2 October 2013 23: 37 New
                        +1
                        Sergey here is another opinion: Some drivers, considering the body armor on the cockpit door to be a fact determining the belonging to the federal troops, refuse to hang him in the hope of disguising as a private Chechen. A distinctive feature of cars in Chechnya is the lack of license plates, or the use of the “left” CHI series. There are cars that have their own names in the place of the number: "Good", "Sheriff", etc. In 2002, an attempt was made to replace the number with a series of the region with “95”, and then with special police officers, but, in general, there was not much more order. All doors in the cars open from the inside. The windows of almost all federal vehicles (if the windows are not hung with body armor) are highly tinted. The use of combat orders for travel posts signed by the military commandant of the region, and all kinds of badges that are not accountable for, create real opportunities for unhindered passage of militants under the guise of feds. According to http://otvaga2004.ru/boyevoe-primenenie/boyevoye- primeneniye02 / batyanya-bizon-ma
                        rusya /
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 2 October 2013 19: 23 New
        +4
        The armored version of the Ural 4320-10 truck celebrated its 6th anniversary on the roads of the Czech Republic in a special way. The last case is dedicated to the 6th anniversary on the roads.
        Explosion at a land mine.
        As a result of the bombing, 11 people were injured, no one was killed.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 2 October 2013 19: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Alex 241
          As a result of the bombing, 11 people were injured, no one was killed.

          Sanya - good

          This is the best result!
          1. Serg 122
            Serg 122 2 October 2013 19: 48 New
            0
            Yeah. I also good good good
            Just a couple of questions: in which part of the car did the mine explode? (If you believe the pictures, the blast occurred on the left side of the car, and not under the engine.) And here are 11 people? Did they all sit in the cockpit?
            1. Slavs69
              Slavs69 2 October 2013 21: 15 New
              +1
              We sat in a capsule. The blast, apparently, was carried out on the left side in the vicinity of the start of the side. Judging by the photo, the capsule with fragments and secondary elements is not damaged, so injuries are possible as a mine explosive injury (in other words, shell shock). This is a big plus.
              1. Serg 122
                Serg 122 2 October 2013 23: 36 New
                -1
                The capsule is in the back! She is not in the cab
                With all this, no one says that the car is bad or not reliable! Everything is in order there. But ... As usual, there are nuances
  • pahom54
    pahom54 2 October 2013 08: 44 New
    +4
    Well, they can when they want! And in vain they say that our industry has faded away. Although it is at the expense of the military-industrial complex, it exists, and on the basis of the military-industrial complex, civilian industry can be revived. Good luck to automakers and large orders from the Armed Forces, from the Ministry of Internal Affairs!
  • Nickanor
    Nickanor 2 October 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    Already so many excellent cars created! And what's next? .. They will be supplied with 2-3 exemplary units and will be shown at parades, and the rest for the cordon for export. The troops need to rearm the entire park!
  • erased
    erased 2 October 2013 09: 13 New
    +1
    Over the past ten years, armored vehicles have been created in different companies - the Urals, KAMAZ and others. From Vodnik and Tiger to Typhoon, Shot and others. But until now, a series of vehicles has not been selected that will go to the army, to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to the border troops. But you need a unified bundle.
    It’s time to already be determined. And finally get Boomerang. That there were no several cars of the same class from different manufacturers.
    1. avt
      avt 2 October 2013 09: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: erased
      . But until now, a series of vehicles has not been selected that will go to the army, to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to the border troops. But you need a unified bundle.

      But because in the "specifics" they got confused and mold a new machine for each "task". Now, if in simple terms, it is an armored personnel carrier, well protected from sabotage actions, and directly in battle formations and next to the tank, an infantry fighting vehicle with heavy weapons for fire support and a floating one is needed.
    2. bask
      bask 2 October 2013 15: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: erased
      And finally get Boomerang. That there were no several cars of one class from different

      One Russian manufacturer, it is unlikely to have mastered the entire fleet, armored ...
      There is only one way out, service and maintenance, behind the manufacturing plant.
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 2 October 2013 09: 43 New
    0
    It’s good to carry riot police but I don’t know for the army.
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 2 October 2013 12: 25 New
      0
      Hide the towed artillery under armor, signalmen, REB members of the secret unit in the headquarters of command-and-control vehicles from the division and above, stir up with technors in the regiment’s link,
  • Altona
    Altona 2 October 2013 10: 05 New
    +2
    The cars are of course not bad, the only question is what is inside ... I worked with one designer in Nizhny, so they designed the machine for Miass entirely on imported components — an engine, gearbox, axles ... A military machine, its photo was printed in Auto- I’m revising it ... Such a characteristic feature is that on the cab there are faces as on the silhouette of the railway overall frame ... But cars with a mine belly still look like communal ones ... hi
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 2 October 2013 12: 29 New
      +1
      Confuses the gas tank outside the armored hull. If it is armored, then the question disappears.
      1. avt
        avt 2 October 2013 13: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: pawel57
        Confuses the gas tank outside the armored hull. If it is armored,

        And don’t be embarrassed, it’s been tested by time since the Second World War, well, it’ll fall into it, too, it will flow out, although it’s probably designed and the technology isn’t new, and if it lights up, then the chances of survival are far greater than when installed inside the armored corps , then it’s for sure - a crematorium on wheels. Well, when it gets into the tank, everything immediately explodes only in American cinema and at Discovery in guys with guns.
        1. pawel57
          pawel57 3 October 2013 09: 35 New
          0
          I personally set fire to cars when I was young, shooting bzt in a gas tank. Whatever it was, it must be booked.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 2 October 2013 10: 15 New
    +5
    Mrap is needed like air.
    First of all, BB and specialists. But the Army is also useful, because it not only "constantly fights", but also lives an ordinary, everyday life.
    These are the workhorses of the commandant's offices.
    Indispensable when accompanying "tapes".
    The Kamaz Typhoon, of course, is very good and beautiful ... but the army traditionally has more confidence in the Urals due to the location of the engine, the Urals snapped them up like hot cakes and strengthened them as best they could. They also served as the main base for the "Tachanok".

    Good luck to the new solid cars. Thanks to the developers.
    MO, give birth, finally, an order for a serial batch, it's good to think !!!

    In the meantime, here is what the siloviki are getting at the moment ...
    Thank you very much these cars, but it's time to change already.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 2 October 2013 11: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Good luck to the new solid cars. Thanks to the developers.
      MO, give birth, finally, an order for a serial batch, it's good to think !!!

      In total, according to the website of Rosoboronpostavka.rf, 30 units of this equipment were to be produced, the total cost of the party would be 1 billion 74 million rubles.

      But isn't 36 a million rubles for one car?
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 2 October 2013 11: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Nayhas
        But isn't 36 a million rubles for one car?

        And who is the question?
        Definitely not for me.

        And in the troops they are needed.
      2. pawel57
        pawel57 2 October 2013 12: 28 New
        +1
        Probably the cost of the re-equipment of the plant for the production of cars. Or maybe for Courchevel with youngsters.
      3. bask
        bask 2 October 2013 16: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: Nayhas
        But isn't 36 a million rubles for one car?

        It's you about ,, Typhoons ,, K and U. It is clear that a bit too much.
        That's why it is necessary to do MPAP on units and assemblies of serial trucks ... and on bridges. The price will not exceed 250 thousand $$$. Then the series in RA will be in thousands of units ..
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Mrap is needed like air.

        You think perfectly good .
        Why is our Moscow region, the Ural plant, so stubbornly overlooked, done with the Indians together with BAE Systems South Africa. MRAP on the chassis of the Urals 4320 (licensed in India by TATA) and Сasspir M6, costing 350.000 thousand $$$.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 2 October 2013 17: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: bask
          made with the Indians in conjunction with BAE Systems South Africa. MRAP on the chassis of the Urals 4320 (licensed in India by TATA) and Сasspir M6, cost 350.000 thousand $$$.

          Great truck.
          The Ural itself is guessed and the school of MRAPs of South Africa is visible.
          The price seems acceptable too.

          Andrei, and if you compare the characteristics of this car with those described in this article, which of them are in ladies?
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 October 2013 17: 15 New
            +2
            Lesh, Andrey hi. Casspir Mk6 is available in 4x4 and 6x6 formulas. At the same time, a Russian-made YaMZ-236NE2 turbo-charged diesel engine with a maximum power of 230 hp is installed on the car. (169 kW), and a manual gearbox YaMZ-236U. This solution was chosen by the developer with the aim of reducing the cost of the Casspir Mk 6 machine, the cost of which is claimed from the mark of 350 thousand dollars.
            According to the creators, during the tests, the car withstood without detriment to personnel the detonation of a 21-kilogram charge under the wheel and a 14-kilogram charge under the body of the car. We can only rejoice that at least in some area Russian cars are happy to equal and even use them as a basis.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 2 October 2013 17: 20 New
              +2
              For Typhoons, information is here http://www.uralaz.ru/publications.php?id=52
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 2 October 2013 17: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                By typhoons

                Hi Sasha.

                Thanks for the info. I read ...
                wink
          2. bask
            bask 2 October 2013 18: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Andrei, and if you compare the characteristics of this car with those described in this article, which of them are in ladies?

            Lyosha, Sasha wrote everything.
            A little bit, I’ll add. Independent suspension ,, Typhoons ,,, makes better handling, ride. When undermining theoretically you can ride on three wheels. And the bridges play a role, the role of crowbar, can damage the armored capsule. But this is also theoretically.
            The most important issue price, or 300.000 $$$, for the Urals Casspir M6, or 1,2 ml. $$$, for ,, Typhoon ,,. And of course on ,, Typhoons ,, ACT ,, Allison.
            1. Varnaga
              Varnaga 3 October 2013 10: 52 New
              0
              I’ll just leave it here, tired of the already silly comparison in the forehead of different things:
              Cars of different classes, price comparisons are at least incorrect.
              Firstly, the Casspir Mk6, according to the statement of BAE itself, is not a machine belonging to the MRAP category, which, in principle, can be seen on the proposal of add. ballistic protection.
              Secondly, it uses a cheap Ural-4320 chassis, YaMZ 236NE2 diesel engine, YaMZ 236U manual gearbox (I think it’s not worth talking about the seriality of these products, respectively, the cost compared to the completely new Typhoon-U units, by the way, it was the use of Russian components that reduced the cost Mk6 by a third). Is it worth mentioning that on Typhoon-U the new YaMZ-5367, Allison automatic transmission, independent suspension of all wheels with CCGT-controlled elements, and indeed, practically no details remain from the native 4320?
              Thirdly, in general, I am silent about the configuration in comparison with the Casspir Mk6 (video cameras, night vision devices, electronic control systems, satellite navigation, filtration system, air conditioning).
              Yes, and what about the Mk6 ballistic protection? Level 4 by STANAG4569 like a Typhoon? And yes, the body of the Mk6 is not like that of the previous Casspir, not serial (albeit a bit overpowered)? And the requirements of our MO for resistance to various chemical damaging factors. and nuclear weapons are the same as the third world countries which is intended for Mk6?
              I think, before comparing prices head-on, you should at least think a little.
              1. Rex
                Rex 3 October 2013 12: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: Varnaga
                I’ll just leave it here, tired of the already silly comparison in the forehead of different things:
                Cars of different classes, price comparisons are at least incorrect.

                Thirdly, in general, I am silent about the configuration in comparison with the Casspir Mk6 (video cameras, night vision devices, electronic control systems, satellite navigation, filtration system, air conditioning).

                And the requirements of our MO for resistance to various damaging factors chem. and nuclear weapons are the same as those of the third world that the Mk6 is destined for?
                I think, before comparing prices head-on, you should at least think a little.


                It is quite understandable to compare "head-on" with a 3-fold difference in price. $ 700 thousand for a new engine, devices and additional protection? Not weak.
                A year ago, BMP-3 was sold to Cyprus for $ 1.5 million.
                Moreover, the country’s money is not very good.
                1. Varnaga
                  Varnaga 3 October 2013 13: 14 New
                  0
                  Though kill, but I don’t understand how it is possible to compare a serial product with prototypes made at a pilot production, a small series with all the costs resulting from it? With this in mind, a twofold increase in the final cost for the customer is a completely predictable and expected result! And taking into account all that is not on the African (again, what you missed: Allison automatic transmission, independent suspension of all wheels with CCGT-controlled elements [very expensive thing], filtering system, air conditioning + other electronics performed by military, protection by 4 level STANAG4569) the price is justified. That's when the level of production comes out on a large series, only then can we talk about some sort of comparison. IMHO.
                  1. Rex
                    Rex 3 October 2013 14: 06 New
                    +1
                    [quote = Varnaga] Although you kill, but I do not understand how it is possible to compare a serial product with prototypes made in pilot production, a small series with all the costs that arise from this? With this in mind, a twofold increase in the final cost for the customer is a completely predictable and expected result! IMHO. [/ Quote


                    In recent years, the prices of our defense industry have been puzzling.
                    All right, they would build new factories, raise workers' wages to the EU level, or sell samples of "nano-know-how" ...
                    In fact, they offer modernized samples (albeit deep) or using a standard base.
                    Small series - distant comparison:
                    Merce S basic - 100 thousand euros.
                    Mears S armored - 300-400 thousand euros.
                    It seems to be comparable to our "Ural"?
                    Only they sell almost by the piece, with an individual fit and the salaries of "their" specialists and workers of a different level.

                    The Yankees believe that the F-22 for $ 100 million is expensive for them. And we have the armored Urals for $ 1 million - fine.
                    At this rate, in 10 years it will be cheaper to order development and production from a "conditional adversary" ...
      4. xan
        xan 3 October 2013 02: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Nayhas
        But isn't 36 a million rubles for one car?

        three cars for the price of one tank
        in my opinion a little expensive, considering that a simple car in the region of 1 million
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 2 October 2013 22: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Mrap is needed like air.

      I’ll add a little, in the late afternoon ...
      Mrap is a shit that moves.
      With explosions in it ... for some reason you survive, albeit with shell shock.
      This mafia is very necessary.
      She has her own niche ...

      They started talking about MPI today ...
      I will never forget how the “Tachanka” us tankers (!!!), ... covered, yes without any reservation (!!!) ...
      BEAUTY.
      ... This is ALL - in Memory ...
      Wo - good the guys were.

      Like this:
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 2 October 2013 22: 35 New
        +2
        http://otvaga2004.ru/boyevoe-primenenie/boyevoye-primeneniye02/batyanya-bizon-ma
        rusya /
        1. bask
          bask 2 October 2013 23: 13 New
          +2
          ZU-23 (ZU-23) consists of a pair - 23-mm anti-aircraft machine 2A14 (2A14)
          Caliber: 23 mm
          Rate of fire: 800 to 1 rounds / min
          Muzzle velocity: 970 m / s.
          An excellent gun is for urban combat and combat in the mountains.
          Several pictures of memory 23.
          On MT-LB (Chechnya)

          IRAQ

          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 October 2013 23: 16 New
            +2
            Andryush aviation GSH-23L, a fairy tale!
            1. bask
              bask 2 October 2013 23: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              aviation GSH-23L, a fairy tale!

              Sanya thanks for the info. I did not know that there is an aviation version of the 23 mm gun. And the same shells?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 3 October 2013 00: 08 New
                +2
                Yes, Andryukh, but what is the point of fencing the garden, here is the nomenclature for using 23mm shells: 1. The ZU-23 twin anti-aircraft gun
                2. Anti-aircraft self-propelled gun ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", AZP-23 (automatic cannon)
                3.NS-23 and NR-23 aviation
                4. Anti-aircraft guns 2A14, 3U-1, ZU-40, ZU-575, ZU-14 (the same 2A14),
                5.MP-6, TKB-198, TKB-201 (VYA)
                6.U-23 (based on VYA)
                7.AM-23 (aircraft assault rifles)
                8.GSh-23, GSh-6-23
                9.R-23 (Revolving type)
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 3 October 2013 00: 15 New
                  +1
                  Here's more about Shipunov, the great designer! Further on this world is a world of the brave, the creative,
                  Dreaming of great space ways.
                  But to rekindle the fire from the sparks of extinct
                  We need to forget about pain and fear.
                  Forgetting the words “impossible”, “impossible”
                  Throw a fallen scarlet banner over your head.
                  And a new dawn that has risen above the world,
                  Evil, despair and gloom will scatter light.
                2. bask
                  bask 3 October 2013 00: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Here's more about Shipunov, the great designer! Further on this world is a world of the brave, the creative,
                  Dreaming of great space ways.

                  I watched this movie. The great was a designer.
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  , well, but it makes sense to fence the garden, here is the range of 23mm shells

                  Yes, I don’t care. The nomenclature of 23 shells is the same.
                  Down at the bottom posted about the South African MRAP in the memory 23. Respect this gun in the world.
                  And we need to switch from 14 mm KPVT to 23 gauge 23mm.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 3 October 2013 00: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: bask
                    garden fence
                    Andryukh, this phrase did not concern you, I'm sorry if I offended you.
                    1. bask
                      bask 3 October 2013 07: 53 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      This phrase did not concern you, sorry if I offended you.

                      Everything is OK Sanya.
                  2. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 3 October 2013 00: 35 New
                    +1
                    Andryukh, I don’t know how ZUShka has, GSh has operational barrel survivability of 2000 thousand shots, 8 ammunition per barrel.
      2. bask
        bask 2 October 2013 22: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        I will never forget how the “Tachanka” of us tankers (!!!), ... covered, but without any armor (!!!) ...

        Lesch. Here it is and hryunovo that without armor.
        All the same, but in South Africa MERAP WERWOLF MK2 (only smaller bulletproof glass) .With 23 mm anti-aircraft guns ZU-23
  • 31231
    31231 2 October 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    Both the feds and the BB are needed.
    Moreover, the tires are high, and this is a plus for cross-country ability.
  • fklj
    fklj 2 October 2013 12: 55 New
    +4
    30 units of this equipment were to be produced, the total cost of the batch would be 1 billion 74 million rubles.

    The cost of one car - 35 million? Am I confused anything?
    1. Rex
      Rex 3 October 2013 12: 45 New
      +1
      [quote = fklj] [quote] 30 units of this equipment were to be produced, the total cost of the batch would be 1 billion 74 million rubles. [/ quote]
      The cost of one car - 35 million? I didn’t mix anything up? [/ Quote

      This is how it goes
      30 trucks were sold to their homeland at about the price of 5 Leopard-2A6 tanks, or like 15 Chinese MBTs.
      Everything would be fine if the workers' salaries of the mentioned factories started from $ 2 thousand
  • pawel57
    pawel57 2 October 2013 13: 00 New
    +1
    I looked and the question arose. Is the gas tank (can oil tank) armored? Its fastening is somehow frivolous. Who knows, develop doubts. If not, then all this booking is ineffective with dense fire. I don’t know how it is in the field, the car showed. It is necessary for towing artillery, a transporting vehicle of the same artillery, signalmen, electronic warfare officers, as a command post vehicle from a regiment and above, a mobile secret unit at headquarters and commandant's offices for various services and organizing and conducting commandant service on routes, repairmen will probably be suitable for Parma, escort of convoys in places of active DRG activity, i.e. all that can be covered with armor.
    1. avt
      avt 2 October 2013 13: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: pawel57
      It is necessary for towing artillery, a transporting vehicle of the same artillery, signalmen, electronic warfare officers, as a command post vehicle from a regiment and above, a mobile secret unit at headquarters and commandant's offices for various services and organizing and conducting commandant service on routes, repairmen will probably be suitable for Parma, escort of convoys in places of active DRG activity, i.e. all that can be covered with armor.

      That is, a normal armored personnel carrier without pronounced "assault" functions, which should be performed by BMPs with reinforced weapons.
      1. pawel57
        pawel57 2 October 2013 14: 05 New
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        Well no. An armored personnel carrier is fighting and supporting infantry with fire, this one is not, transport with armor.
      2. bask
        bask 2 October 2013 16: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        That is, a normal armored personnel carrier without pronounced "assault" functions that should be performed by B

        AVT, armored personnel carriers can be of various designs not only, classic 8/8.
        Let's see how the test passes, the case KamAZ. And what will be its price.
        1. avt
          avt 2 October 2013 18: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: bask
          AVT, armored personnel carriers can be of various designs not only, classic 8/8.
          Let's see how the test passes, the case KamAZ. And what will be its price.

          request Well, let them choose what is more reliable and more secure at a reasonable price at the landfills. The main thing is that they do not go into the bayonet attack on them on tanks.
          1. bask
            bask 3 October 2013 00: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: avt
            they didn’t go into a bayonet attack on them

            The main thing is that the soldiers would sit under the armor, and not on the armor (as now).
            1. pawel57
              pawel57 3 October 2013 10: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: bask
              Quote: avt
              they didn’t go into a bayonet attack on them

              The main thing is that the soldiers would sit under the armor, and not on the armor (as now).

              On the armor, the review is better, there is no more noise and howling, there is a clang of a car, a blast on a land mine is a chance to survive, it is faster to find a mine or an enemy and open fire. navigate the terrain, manage the unit without going on the air, etc. No one conducts a dense fire battle on the armor.
  • avt
    avt 2 October 2013 15: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: pawel57
    Well no. An armored personnel carrier is fighting and supporting infantry with fire, this one is not, transport with armor.

    Well, suppose the Urals were already shown with a remote installation of almost KPVT, but why fight on an armored personnel carrier? Well, not the Second World War and the 60s, when an armored personnel carrier was tested in battle formations with tanks. There is already a very specific class of vehicles for supporting infantry and tanks — BMPs, BMDs. And we have always had very good examples in this area. And life is completely heavy infantry fighting vehicles were placed in places and there, Bahcha, but the armored personnel carrier is completely mutating into the MRI, which, in essence, is a transporter and armored, just needed for transportation in conditions of increased sabotage danger, the army and explosives.
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 3 October 2013 10: 01 New
      +1
      The armored personnel carrier was not created from a good life. The Germans were the first to mobilize infantry and support tanks to keep up and hide behind armor. The BMP differs from the armored personnel carrier in more serious weapons. Both that and others can be both caterpillar and wheel. Trying to switch to wheeled for unification with avtam. those. longer turnaround time and cheaper in maintenance and production. Wheels lose patency and lag behind tanks on rough terrain off-road. Arms are put on armored personnel carriers to support infantry in battle, which is right, not only for transporting infantry. The BMW class is controversial. The result was a tank without a tower and a powerful gun and requiring infantry support. Against a weak enemy, in open terrain and in the appendage to tanks, he is acceptable.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 2 October 2013 15: 33 New
    +1
    Virtual panorama of "Tiger", "Wolf", "Tafun-K" and other equipment. You can see everything with magnification.
    http://defendingrussia.ru/
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 2 October 2013 15: 54 New
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    More and sooner! The car is long-awaited and very necessary!
  • bddrus
    bddrus 2 October 2013 17: 05 New
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    I suspect that Typhoon-U was considered hefty expensive - because it is only for export, but they came up with something simpler and cheaper for themselves - Ural-VV
  • No_more
    No_more 2 October 2013 17: 05 New
    +1
    Why not make a row of seats not against the walls, but in the center back to back. Indeed, in this case, it’s more convenient to get away from walls and landing is easier to fire from loopholes?
    But in general, everything seems to be good, except for the price.
    1. bask
      bask 2 October 2013 17: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: No_more
      Why not make a row of seats not against the walls, but in the center back to back. Indeed, in this case, it’s more convenient to get away from walls and landing is easier to fire from loopholes?

      In BTR ,, Lazar 1.2, such a lineup.

      And to shoot in armored personnel carriers from loopholes, it is not relevant to immediately burn from an RPG. He stopped, everything was out. And shoot on the move from the loopholes, who do you get into? Here is the loophole in the aft door, it must be.
      VV MVD ,, generally ordered SMP-3 ,, Bear ,, without side loopholes.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 2 October 2013 17: 24 New
        +2
        Andryukh wooden benches in Medved- "killed"
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 2 October 2013 17: 33 New
          +3
          Alex
          Andryukh wooden benches in Medved- "killed"


          It was under king peas -look at the photo (clickable)
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 October 2013 17: 38 New
            +2
            Rustam headrests opposite the loopholes, as it is not very.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 2 October 2013 17: 43 New
              0
              .......................
          2. bask
            bask 2 October 2013 17: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Rustam
            It was under king peas - we look at the photo

            The photo is great, but when did it appear?
            Quote: Alex 241
            Rustam headrests opposite the loopholes, as it is not very.

            It is rather a tribute to Western fashion.
            And if it also withstands a blast of 8 kg in t / e, like the RG-31, then generally gut.

            Rustam ,, Bear ,, already undermined?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 2 October 2013 18: 00 New
              +2
              The armored car SPM-3, dubbed “The Bear,” passed the test in the sixth class of crew protection from damaging factors.
              The armored car SPM-3, dubbed “The Bear,” passed the test in the sixth class of crew protection from damaging factors.
              The SPM-3 special vehicle has a reservation, which allows the armored car to withstand a direct hit from any type of small arms, including and a special 7,62 mm bullet with a TUS from a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
              Also, the body structure of the car provides protection for the crew in case of detonation on improvised explosive devices of small and medium power.
              Based on the test results, the SPM-3 special vehicle will be included in the state defense order for 2013 for the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs. This was announced today in Nizhny Novgorod by the deputy commander of the ground forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for armaments, the chief of armaments, Major General Major Yerygin.
        2. bask
          bask 2 October 2013 17: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex 241
          Andryukh wooden benches in Medved- "killed"

          Hi Sash. Rustam has already posted about wooden benches in the Urals.
          Such armored vehicles simply cannot be purchased by the RA and VV MVD.
          It is life threatening. In the event of a blast, 100% spinal damage in soldiers.
        3. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 3 October 2013 21: 01 New
          0
          In Georgia in the 93rd in the GAZ-66 on a mountain road with their asses, on another bump they broke such a bench in half laughing
      2. Rustam
        Rustam 2 October 2013 17: 28 New
        +2
        bask (5) Bear ,, without side loopholes.


        Everything is in the best houses in France wink
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 2 October 2013 17: 34 New
          +2
          citation-This year, the Russian armed forces should receive the first experimental-industrial batch of tactical armored vehicles multipurpose "Typhoon-U."

          Continuing the topic


          The first armored vehicles “Typhoon-U” will enter the troops in 2014
          In 2014 year it is planned to purchase more 750 units armaments and military equipment, among which there will be an experimental batch of highly protected armored vehicles from the Ural company - “Typhoon-U”.

          All cars of the family are unified by engines (YaMZ-536, 450 hp), BIUS, mine and bulletproof protection and independent hydropneumatic suspension. It is possible to install a remotely controlled module with a machine gun or automatic grenade launcher. Combined (ceramic + steel) armor protection manufactured by NII Steel, as well as Bulletproof glass manufactured by Magistral LTD, provide all-round protection at the 4 level of the STANAG 4569 standard (from the 14,5 mm armor-piercing bullets of the B-32 type).
          http://www.brone-portal.info/?p=305
        2. bask
          bask 2 October 2013 17: 35 New
          +2
          Now there is, but ordered the Ministry of Internal Affairs BB, without loopholes, TTX changed?
          1. The comment was deleted.
      3. tchoni
        tchoni 13 November 2013 17: 36 New
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        Instead of loopholes - observation windows with bulletproof glass. loophole is mostly useless.
  • kci
    kci 2 October 2013 19: 08 New
    +1
    In my opinion, they are inventing great, VV-shny is very reminiscent of the BTR-40, why not take those developments as a basis?
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 2 October 2013 19: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: kci
      very reminiscent of the BTR-40

      But great noticed, Constantine ...
      good
      But, unfortunately, the bottom of his body is arranged differently.
      Managed, in his life, to drive on this wonderful armored car.
      Both in youth and in officer life.

      In "youth" it was a little hard to slam the front door. "Forces" were enough ...
      At the BTR-40 it is necessary to "lift" it from below towards itself, this is the design of the side armor at the front wheels, and the doors repeat it. This is all the similarity.
      wink
      Thank you for the memories.
      With pleasure, plus for nostalgia)))
      1. bask
        bask 2 October 2013 22: 51 New
        0
        The first South African developments on the topic of MRI.
    2. bask
      bask 2 October 2013 22: 47 New
      0
      Quote: kci
      UT, VV-shny very reminiscent of the BTR-40, why not take those developments as a basis?

      There are a lot of achievements and not only with us.
      Amers in Vietnam on their trucks, put the body from the BMR M113, with all the weapons.
      Such is MAPR, in American style.
    3. bddrus
      bddrus 3 October 2013 11: 57 New
      +1
      why btr-40 ??? you are joking? after all, the "dad" is clearly visible - the usual Urals, even the wings, in my opinion, remained the same
  • windjoker
    windjoker 2 October 2013 20: 36 New
    +1
    And here is the Ukrainian KRAZ brainchild of the "dying" military-industrial complex: The latest development is the KrAZ ASV Panther armored personnel carrier (Panther). http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/13/07/images/06/m/KRAZ_Zaglav.jpg
    1. windjoker
      windjoker 2 October 2013 20: 53 New
      +1

      The multi-purpose vehicle is designed for the prompt delivery of military personnel and their fire support, for which it is equipped with modern weapons and active and passive defense. Even before exhibiting KRAZ-ASV / APC / 2013, the first pre-orders for this car were received at the exhibition.
      Read more here: http://auto.tsn.ua/news/avtokraz-predstavil-novyy-bronetransporter-293634.html
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 2 October 2013 22: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: windjoker
      the "dying" military-industrial complex:


      I’m embarrassed to ask, how many plywood copies, besides this, naturally exist in nature, this papalist has no future, and he will not deliver anyone, amen
  • windjoker
    windjoker 2 October 2013 20: 38 New
    0
    http://vpk.name/file/img/kraz-01-1-11_bd.jpg
    KrAZ-01-1-11 / SLDSL - a new generation of Ukrainian wheeled armored vehicles


    According to the developers, according to NATO standards, this armored car meets the level of 3А (in terms of protection of bulletproof glass, engine compartment armor and vertical walls), that is, it can withstand an armor-piercing 7,62-mm bullet at a distance of about 30 meters at a counter speed equal to 930 meters per second . As for the mine booking, then, according to the developers, the armored car exceeds the 2 level by NATO standards (although it does not specify how much). Thus, KrAZ-01-1-11 / SLDSL is able to withstand an explosion of a mine weighing 6 kilograms in TNT equivalent.
  • windjoker
    windjoker 2 October 2013 21: 08 New
    +3
    These are already in the army for a long time soldier
  • Admiral 013
    Admiral 013 2 October 2013 21: 14 New
    +2
    Here is one of two things! Or really, the MO began to bake about the army, or again the Vovaans (which we have more than the army itself) will go.
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 2 October 2013 22: 09 New
    +2
    awesome car 26 tons, not fighting to carry as many as 10 people with a driver! if you make command points so those properties that it has they do not need. yes it can withstand mines but which ones? but the target for grenade launchers is not bad, at least in full view, at least in profile.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 3 October 2013 01: 30 New
    +1
    Ural "iron" car! This is by definition and it does not need PR!
    Is it strange that Rogozin’s screaming comments are not heard?
  • bddrus
    bddrus 3 October 2013 12: 10 New
    0
    OCD "bear" (another bear) was closed or what ?:
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 3 October 2013 19: 50 New
    +2
    And more recently it was like this ... 'Log protection'.
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 3 October 2013 20: 34 New
    0
    tanker protection ...
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 3 October 2013 20: 52 New
    0
    April 22, 2013 in 'VO' there was a very interesting article 'Afghan fuel tanker' - about a tanker based on an infantry fighting vehicle. Is it interesting now they are working on the armor protection of the army 'nalivniks' or it all comes down to just protecting the l / s?
  • Rex
    Rex 4 October 2013 07: 21 New
    +1
    In addition to the inadequate price (for this type of car more than $ 500 is simply unreasonable), there are still oddities.
    Why does she need Euro 4? You can forget about Euro standards for army equipment - to make it cheaper.
    Allison automatic transmission, independent suspension of all wheels with CCGT-controlled elements - why? You can ride a land mine on something simpler.
    Why protection of the hull from 14,5 with 200m? Despite the fact that the glass of the cabin can’t stand it.

    The army needs tens of thousands of such vehicles. It is basically a transport unit, not a battlefield machine. The price should be at the level of $ 200-300 thousand.
    Protection of the hull from armor-piercing 7,62 is quite sufficient, but it would be better to mine mine to 20 kg.
    "Tiger" costs about $ 150, "Typhoon" is already $ 1,2 million ...
    Apparently the "Armata" will already have Euro-5, orthopedic chairs and access to social networks, and it will cost like 3 Abrams ...
  • Patchito
    Patchito 4 October 2013 08: 57 New
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    Interesting article.
    The eyes on the hood, as I understand it, imply access to the engine only with a small crane.
    Armchairs in the cabin are not made in explosion-proof scheme - the machine can and will withstand a blast of 8 kg in three equivalents. (usually they always always specify where exactly these 8 kg are located relative to the machine), but the landing party will not stand inside. Windows with loopholes located between the backs of chairs also make you doubt their functionality.
    On the BB version, the loophole in the windshield smiled - with such a hood and location, you can shoot mainly at the seagulls, and even at them without aiming.
    1. Rex
      Rex 4 October 2013 09: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Pacito
      Interesting article.
      Armchairs in the cabin are not made in explosion-proof scheme - the machine can and will withstand a blast of 8 kg in three equivalents. ..... but the landing inside can’t stand it ..


      There, in theory, the construction of the field is more responsible for this.

      Quote: Pacito
      И
      On the BB version, the loophole in the windshield smiled - with such a hood and location, you can shoot mainly at the seagulls, and even at them without aiming.


      This is almost a proprietary (maybe the requirements of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?) - on the "Federal" is the same.
  • Russen barbar
    Russen barbar 31 October 2013 21: 04 New
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    First, let's talk about the types of ground forces.
    No. 1. Infantry compound. Consists of a large number of soldiers. 90% of all equipment is simple trucks (URAL, KamAZ, GAZ) and SUVs (UAZ). All guns on cargo traction. These are guns, howitzers, anti-aircraft guns, mortars, grenade launchers, machine guns of various calibers. Almost no armored vehicles. Therefore, infantry uses trenches, bunkers, bunkers, houses, stones, and other natural or artificially constructed civil or military structures to shelter. Engineering parts to help them.
    # 2. Armored formation. Built to break through defenses. 90% of all vehicles are armored either from shells or bullets. At its core, armored vehicles are a mobile pillbox with a gun and soldiers. As I already wrote, the connection is called "armored", i.e. it is not only about tanks. What kind of vehicles are included in this list, in addition to communications units, medical aid, engineering units, field kitchens, repair teams, etc. support services.
    1. Tanks. They are self-propelled guns in bulletproof armor. Serious defense and a weapon allows them to be on the edge of the attack and engage in direct fire. In general, the tank is able to effectively fight with any armored vehicles, artillery and defenses.
    2. Self-propelled air defense. Each tank costs several X.000.000 $ dollars. And although this is a formidable weapon, it costs only 1 combat helicopter to approach a group of tanks as all this power is covered by a copper basin. But there are also planes.
    3. Self-propelled artillery. These are howitzers on tracks. Able to shoot 5-6 times farther tanks and in a strong arc.
    This allows them to support the attack of tanks while being on the opposite side of the city or mountain.
    4. Light tanks and armored cars. Due to their greater speed and lower weight, they are very mobile and transportable. Since their towers are much lighter than tank turrets, and the suspension is not so overloaded, they are much more effective against infantry and lightly armored targets. And is a tank always needed? Sometimes, to disperse 10-50 soldiers with machine guns, a simple machine-gun turret with a grenade launcher or mortar is enough, at worst a 20-30mm automatic gun. And finally, they are cheaper for the state, easier to manufacture and easier to maintain.
    5. Armored personnel carriers. One technique in an armored formation is not enough. Like it or not, ordinary soldiers are always needed to capture buildings (an enemy command post, hospital, television, administrative institutions), structures (nuclear power plant, plant, food and ammunition depot), trophy equipment or operations in areas difficult to access vehicles. It may just be necessary to dismantle infantry to protect tanks from RPGs and grenades, or simply to move along with them in the same row. Hurrying crews from tanks, air defense and sau is not very reasonable. We need equipment specifically for transporting infantry platoons.
    Typhoon and Tiger are pure armored personnel carriers (armored personnel carriers). Tower armored cars and light tanks (such as PzKpFw-222, Luchs, BM-64 and T70) after the Second World War were not popular, as were pure armored personnel carriers.
    All this was replaced by BMP - Bradley, BMP-2, Marder, Patria. BTR80-82A I also attribute more likely to BMP. After all, this is already an armed combat vehicle, and it can transport not so much.
    Now again there is a tendency to return to simple armored carriers. They are easier to construct and assemble. They are relatively cheaper, because the BMP-3 is now approaching in value to the T90 tank.
    At the expense of cost. $ 1.200.000 is certainly not enough. But it must be borne in mind that this car is modern, in no way inferior to Western analogues (even in convenience and safety), and the T90 is the former T72 of 70 years of production. In addition, if necessary, you can reduce the cost of the Typhoon by removing all electronic and auxiliary systems. I would like to emphasize again for the elderly that the Tigers and Typhoons are needed only in armored formations, and in infantry they all traveled in the Urals and UAZs and will continue to ride.
  • tchoni
    tchoni 13 November 2013 16: 54 New
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    calculated the sample cost 1.074.000.000 the amount for 30 cars / 30 cars = 38 apiece - the tank costs 000 (prices are taken with rounding up)

    and why is it being asked? just what would a domestic manufacturer support?

    for reference, the price of airborne urals is about 3.

    The essence of such developments is to saturate the army with cheap and preferably universal armored vehicles. so that people would not perish badly when shelling columns and not reinvent the tank on wheels based on the Urals (komaza or something else)