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Special forces battles. Secrets of fighting at the lake Zhalanashkol

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There is no doubt that when the required amount of time has passed, the statute of limitations has expired, and documents on border conflict events at Lake Zhalanashkol will be declassified on 1969. between the USSR and the People’s Republic of China, the public, according to seemingly well-known facts, is awaited by new discoveries. We'll have to rewrite the section in Wikipedia and beyond. There are reasons for this. In the autumn of 1998, at one of the civil defense events held in the Technical Lyceum No. 7 of Pavlodar, Kazakhstan, I was lucky to meet with representatives of various organizations Nikolai Alexandrovich Ebel, then deputy head of the repair service of the Thermal Networks enterprise. There was a lot of time, he turned out to be an interesting interlocutor, and, among other things, said that he was directly involved in hostilities on the border of the PRC and the Kazakh SSR, when he was serving in the army.

I managed to see the first material on these events in the media only in 2004 year, in “Arguments and Facts” No. 42 from October 20, entitled “One Step from World War” and I was quite surprised at the discrepancies in the description of events presented by Ebel ON. and the author of the newspaper material Oleg Gerchikov. I offer you their comparative analysis.

First, the background, taken from Wikipedia:

After the events of the spring 1969 on the island of Damansky provocations by the PRC did not stop. In May-June of the same year, the situation on the Dzungarian protrusion of the Kazakhstani section of the border worsened. On August 12, in the vicinity of the Soviet border posts “Spring” and “Zhalanashkol”, the movement of reinforced groups of Chinese military personnel was noticed in the territory of the PRC. The head of the Eastern Border Troops invited the Chinese side to negotiate, but received no response. Both outposts were put on high alert, trenches were dug along the border, a system of trenches and communications was created at the most threatened sites, and two armored personnel carriers were deployed on the flanks.

The materials of Wikipedia and AiF rather complement each other and slightly differ, telling about the heroism of Soviet border guards who are able to solve complex tasks on their own, only AiF even if casually exploits the rather beaten-up theme of Moscow's silence.

AiF - At night, the head of the political department of the Eastern Border District, Colonel (now General) Igor Petrov, called the head office of the Border Troops in Moscow. He was listened to, politely thanked for the message and hung up. Is the same история repeated with the duty officer of the KGB. The behavior of Moscow alerted the colonel, and he tried to “ring out” the situation through personal connections. A familiar from the headquarters of the Border Troops in secret said that the leadership was “in the know”, but remained silent.

And at this time ... from the words of Ebel N. who served as a private in the special forces, something happened that was never written in AiF and Wikipedia.

- 12 August 1969. Our unit received an order to load onto An 12 transport planes and we already changed the insignia directly in flight with the buttonholes and shoulder straps of the border troops. Issued caps.

- Why?

- Order. The border conflict, therefore, cannot go beyond the scope of the border troops, otherwise it is war.

- Strange, I personally incomprehensible explanation. What happened next?

- We landed at night, guided by the light signal of hand lamps. There was a wind, a large spread at the landing, by the morning, the entire 25-30 man left the company to the assembly point. Moved to the line, to the height, entrenched.

- But so could someone get to the Chinese, because the landing was made in close proximity to the state border?

- I do not know what the landing pattern was. Perhaps it was the board with our group that passed in close proximity to the border. We were given the task, we completed it. In addition, the section of the state border, which should have been closed off, was rather lengthy, the full composition of the brigade was landed. It was possible to expect provocations in several places, and we were lucky, if I may say so.

- Do not remember the names of geographic reference? Lakes? Hill?

- Not. You never know what lakes and hills. All we knew was that we were on the border with China in the Ucharaly district of the Kazakh SSR.

With the mention of Ucharal district of the Kazakh SSR, the presentation of events by the parties begins to partially overlap. Why partially? Wikipedia and AiF say that the Chinese soldiers 13 August 1969. penetrated deep into the territory of the USSR to 400 meters, and for what purpose is not specified. Nevertheless, they had a goal, Nikolai Aleksandrovich speaks about it:

- The Chinese moved the border posts to our territory, the old pits from which they pulled them out, buried them and masked them with sod. You want, you will not find.

But it turned out later. Of course, Ebel N.A. I could not know how events developed before that, what character provocations were, the time of their beginning, he told what he knew. When the Chinese servicemen reached the line of their trenches, butting began with the pushing of each other on the parapet which had grown into a hand-to-hand dump. Was there an order to “squeeze out” violators, as AiF and Vicki wrote? Perhaps it was, but at that moment the guys were left to themselves, our soldiers 30 against more than 70 on their part, here the information of the parties converges. Roth against platoon. Nikolai Aleksandrovich asserts that there was a strict order - not to open fire and not to let the Chinese on, adding with genuine bewilderment

- It was hard. All completely two-meter deytin. But where are they two-meter Chinese scored?

A very interesting caveat for a thin man with an 1 height, see 85 meter. There is no doubt that from the PRC side there were the same “personnel border guards” as our hero. In any case, provocation is different from a misunderstanding that is carefully prepared and requires special skills. However, our special forces were stronger.
The first shot sounded from the Chinese military, says Nikolai Alexandrovich (AiF and Wikipedia suggest this).

- My friend Vitaly Ryazanov was killed next to me. After that, the fire from our side was the first I opened. Then there were three more days of fighting with a blow deep into the territory of China, there were a lot of victims, blood.

To the last words of Ebel N.A. should be treated with caution, because there interferes significant personal factor. According to the participant himself, after the events he was under investigation, he sat in the guardhouse for about a month, in fact the first fire was opened without an order. They wanted to take his case to court of a military tribunal. Fortunately cost.

I imagine myself on the site of a special department officer, and what else could a soldier do in those conditions? Do what you must and come what may, let the diplomats deal with the subtleties.

- Nikolay, single shots were heard from the violators. And how many times did you shoot back?

- And also two ... three ... automatic horns.

In any case, no matter how different the testimonies of the participants of those events were, it seems quite obvious that the events at Lake Zhalanashkol are an example of brilliant actions, both of Soviet intelligence and special forces of that time, head and shoulders above the Chinese comrades, about which we once Something still to be learned Separately, many thanks to the soldiers who have fulfilled their duty.

Attached to the text is a scanned photo from AiF taken from the archive of the FSB border troops, alas, in the newspaper’s online archive, it was for some reason inaccessible, so I apologize for its poor quality. The participants of the conflict are supposedly depicted on it, the circled person is surprisingly similar to Ebel NA, but this may be a coincidence.
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  1. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 2 October 2013 08: 31 New
    15
    No wonder their samurai slaughtered, because they knew their mentality better than us
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 2 October 2013 09: 06 New
      16
      Stalin saved them from complete excision, and here is gratitude to you.
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 2 October 2013 15: 37 New
        +5
        Lie.
        Stalin helped the Chinese to fetter the Japanese in the east.
        If the Chinese were not helped, who knows what would happen. Stalin thought for his country - it was then that he helped Mao to overcome China from Chankayshi.
        1. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 2 October 2013 20: 14 New
          +4
          after Khalkhin Gol, the Chinese were left with weapons depots so that they could fight off the Japs themselves, but when they returned in the 45th they found that they didn’t take up arms at all, and they washed the Japs in full use as experimental rabbits, according to the tsar’s army, the Chinese sodates were useless
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 2 October 2013 20: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: Lindon
          Lie.
          Stalin helped the Chinese to fetter the Japanese in the east.

          Motivation is speculation. But the facts are facts: Stalin supplied them with weapons and sent “advisers”, who advised mainly by personal example - they themselves rose in fighter jets and rose from panoramas of guns.
      2. smile
        smile 2 October 2013 20: 31 New
        +1
        Revolver
        And here is your untruth! :))) The Chinese cannot be cut out in principle, even to such lovers of this business as the Japanese, so long as they have them, the Chinese would have already given birth to new ones, more than the old ... :)))
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 3 October 2013 00: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: smile
          The Chinese can not be cut out in principle, even to such lovers of this business as the Japanese — as long as they had one, the Chinese would have given birth to new ones — more than ever.

          You think? The Japanese usually, if they get down to business, they bring it to the end. Well, unless of course insurmountable obstacles arise in their way. The USSR belonged to those. Chinese fertility is unlikely. With the Chinese themselves, the Japanese would have dealt even without spending bullets, they would have cut down with katanas alone.
        2. meandr51
          meandr51 16 July 2019 15: 20 New
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          The Chinese have repeatedly slaughtered themselves by 90%. Learn the history of China.
    2. Airman
      Airman 2 October 2013 09: 46 New
      12
      I served there since 1972. From our regiment in the town of Druzhba on a removable basis, at first 2, and then a month, the radar company carried combat duty. And I know this Dzungarian gate well. Landing even during the day in the mountains is a very difficult task, and at night, to an unprepared site? I had to talk with the head of the outpost, and a conversation came about the events of 69. He did not take part in the events, but he owned information, but he never mentioned the special forces.
      1. specialist636
        specialist636 2 October 2013 13: 27 New
        +7
        So this was a secret))))))))))))))) Another secret: a whole brigade of special forces. The guys died)))))))))))))) 25-30 people left)))))) But they defended the USSR)))))))))) Ebel is generally a hero. Sat on the lip - the victim of the regime.
        How can this nonsense be taken seriously?
        1. smile
          smile 2 October 2013 20: 41 New
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          specialist636
          Maybe the roots of the rumor are that the Chinese special forces really participated there - but mostly. disguised as a citizen, pretending to be demonstrators? By the way, ours noted then a really high growth of certain groups of "demonstrators" possessing. unlike the rest with more solid heads :))), but not two-meter in any way.
          I believe that if there were events, everyone would have called back a long time ... After all, we all know everything about the much more bloody fight in the Damansky District to the smallest detail .... Yes, and the use of Gradov, somehow you can’t mask :)))) is, it’s clear that the army team got in ...
    3. apro
      apro 2 October 2013 11: 25 New
      0
      The mentality of everyone is the same and the PRC in this situation I blame the least, for everything you have to pay Khrushchev’s betrayal and this has led. You have to manage to make the enemy out of the only real ally. These actions of the PRC are an invitation to a dialogue with the SGA.
  2. balamut_x
    balamut_x 2 October 2013 08: 56 New
    +2
    nonsense, there wasn’t any special forces there laughing
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 2 October 2013 09: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: balamut_x
      nonsense, there wasn’t any special forces there


      You probably should know better ?! You took part in those events
      1. balamut_x
        balamut_x 2 October 2013 09: 46 New
        10
        I was born and raised 60 km from the scene, my father served in the Ural-Aral border detachment only at another outpost, so I know what I'm saying laughing
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    2. UVB
      UVB 2 October 2013 09: 50 New
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      I first learned about the events from Zhalanashkol in 1977 after after the draft. In training, the recruits spoke to the chief of staff of our border detachment, who was a direct participant in those events. What he said does not fit in with what he read, it takes me doubts that Ebel was there at all. And yet, a quote: two ... three ... automatic horns ... The sergeants told us until the end of their lives that the "horns" are from the wife, and the vending machine has a store! Maybe now it’s different and they have grown in AK?
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 2 October 2013 11: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: balamut_x
      nonsense, there wasn’t any special forces laughing

      As far as I know, they didn’t take them to special forces with such last names. The selection was very strict. So, I also doubt the evidence of the author.
    4. razgibatel
      razgibatel 2 October 2013 13: 45 New
      +2
      There was a Chinese special forces. A good friend of mine there served on the outpost (which I didn’t say, gave a non-disclosure subscription) since 1968. One night, the Chinese cut out their outpost. For some reason, the Chinese did not kill the acquaintance, but only thrust a knife into his leg and gave with his foot in the head. Another second border guard remained alive. They were treated in Alma-Ata. And the KGB dragged them before commissioning (they considered them enemies because they remained alive).
      1. specialist636
        specialist636 2 October 2013 13: 48 New
        +7
        And there is astral special forces. That is cooler than Chinese. Do you know why your hospital buddy says nothing? And because someone kicked him off the head and not the fact that it was some kind of Chinese. Hello to the doctors of Kanachikovoi
    5. specialist636
      specialist636 2 October 2013 13: 45 New
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      What idots have you got?
      1. smile
        smile 2 October 2013 20: 47 New
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        specialist636
        Offended Chinese three-meter special forces, Definitely! Or their victims kicked in the head. :)))
  3. pahom54
    pahom54 2 October 2013 09: 02 New
    +7
    ... "...- Nikolay, from the side of the violators there were single shots. And how many times did you shoot in response?

    - And also two ... three ... automatic horns. "...
    Well done!!! You can’t say anything more ... While in warm offices we were thinking about how to resolve the situation, the soldier acted as it should have done in this situation ... If we had always acted this way without thinking about diplomacy, then we would have there was no desire to climb anyone.
  4. lars
    lars 2 October 2013 09: 18 New
    +2
    Thanks guys !!! Once again they resolved the situation "on the spot", as it should be, despite the "help" of the uh-uh, as it would be more intelligent to say - not decisive at the top.
    1. specialist636
      specialist636 2 October 2013 13: 44 New
      +5
      Yes, special thanks to those who died then defending the USSR. A whole brigade of special forces died and no one knows anything))))))) Why? But because it’s special forces! They have everything secretly, everything is sewn-covered. these are they secret heroes. It is not time to talk about them yet. It’s good that there is Ebel (according to other sources, Sikel). Only thanks to him we learned about him a hero. He survived, survived, did not drink too much, lice did not jam. And special thanks to Vrachevsky. He took this name in honor of the doctors who are currently treating him. And it should be noted - successfully treated for mental illness. Here, for example, is this story about special forces. I am personally very amused. Cheered up, distracted from the autumn depresnyak. Thanks to Vrachevsky, and especially to the medical staff of the psychiatric clinic, as well as to those who believed in that branchy cranberry. Once again convinced how many idiots on this forum. Friends, let's remember them
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 2 October 2013 16: 53 New
        +8
        A separate song - altering the buttonholes on the plane and getting caps - in the fastened straps of the parachute, it’s very convenient to embroider, in addition, under the straps of the parachute, you also need to attach other shoulder straps - Coperfield is resting laughing
      2. vrach
        2 October 2013 18: 05 New
        +3
        From the Author. Thank you dear readers for your attention to the article. Due to the fact that some have questions about the material I will clarify. Ebel N.A. a real person, born 19 on November 1949 of the year, lived in the village of Pavlodar (suburb) at the time of this operation he was 20 years old. People are not willing to share information about what they gave a non-disclosure subscription to. This is not the only operation in which he participated. I can’t say more either, as well as appearances and passwords. :) 15 itself was silent for years. Because it was a brilliant operation, so far no one has told you about it and you did not know about it. And our losses were minimal.
        The same Wiki or AIF if you are not uninterested, digging around on the Internet contradict in the presentation of this story, then they occupied a stone height, then in the morning they took it. Thanks for attention
        1. smile
          smile 2 October 2013 20: 57 New
          +2
          vrach
          Hello.
          Do not be offended. Nobody thinks that you invented all this. They doubt the source ... It's just that, you know, probably all of us met some special forces who told believable ... stories .... and rained down on trifles. For example, I saw even one member of group A and, later, even a comrade from Cobalt ... it was very unpleasant when they were carried during the conversation, although they didn’t particularly speak, playing in secrecy and solidity ... it would be better generally silent. In general, do not swear at us that they have become so incredulous.
        2. specialist636
          specialist636 2 October 2013 21: 18 New
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          You should be silent for another 15 years. It says how it really happened there.
          Aren't you ashamed?
  5. specialist636
    specialist636 2 October 2013 09: 22 New
    +9
    Nonsense! Why land, if there is an opportunity to transfer the gain by ground? Where did the remaining paratroopers go after landing?
    It is clear that age, a desire to somehow promote, but why write here?
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 2 October 2013 09: 55 New
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      Quote: specialist636
      Nonsense! Why land, if there is an opportunity to transfer the gain by ground? Where did the remaining paratroopers go after landing?

      It's strange to see something like this from under the arm- specialist636
      1. specialist636
        specialist636 2 October 2013 13: 36 New
        +1
        Read the comments of people who were in those places. Understand that you look like a clown
    2. user
      user 2 October 2013 10: 18 New
      +5
      In general, there’s a lot of strange things in life, in February 1979, when China attacked Vietnam, ours landed at night with a strong wind on the territory of Mongolia. Beat a lot, but also asked why?
      That is, if you are not a participant and do not know that situation, then you also pose many questions and remarks such as "Some kind of nonsense"
      1. specialist636
        specialist636 2 October 2013 10: 33 New
        +8
        And you take an interest: is there an opportunity to drop an “entire” brigade there.
        "... in the morning, to the gathering place, only 25-30 people left the company from the company." Where are the others?)))))))))) Did you escape to China to eat rice?
        This story resembles the stories of mummers in trains: handicapped songs have been sung by people with disabilities since childhood, not once that they fought, but did not serve in the army either.
        And even funnier look those who believe in it, because they themselves are the same "warriors")))))
    3. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 2 October 2013 21: 19 New
      +1
      Nonsense! Why land, if there is an opportunity to transfer the gain by ground? Where did the remaining paratroopers go after landing?




      + 10!
  6. Tartary
    Tartary 2 October 2013 10: 31 New
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    Quote from the article:
    - Nikolay, single shots were heard from the violators. And how many times did you shoot back?
    - And also two ... three ... automatic horns.


    I don’t remember exactly where I read or a participant in the events told, I know this for a long time, but the topic is about Czechoslovakia ...
    When in Prague the combined Warsaw Treaty troops distributed patrols of crossroads in the city among themselves, our fighters almost raked Czechoslovakians from the local "grateful" brothers, stood alone at the crossroads, taking on spits (naturally) that came close to the patrol townspeople ...
    And the German watch / patrol officers, no worse than ours, knowing the Charter of the guard service, brought with them a chair and chalk ...
    He set the chair in the center of the intersection, and drew a circle almost chalked with the corners of the buildings, drew a circle, sat on a chair - the machine was on his knees. No citizen dared to step outside the circle ... Entered - a line above his head.
    People, remembering the German "good nature", crossed the intersection (s), clinging to the corners of the walls of buildings, afraid to get a bullet ... That's right, but we Slavs ... It’s better to wash the snot off the tunic, but on the face, than between eyebrow to which fellow put 9 gram cream ...
    1. specialist636
      specialist636 2 October 2013 10: 35 New
      +3
      The story itself is not real, designed for simpletons who did not serve in the army.
    2. plantagenet
      plantagenet 2 October 2013 22: 05 New
      +6
      "And the German watch / patrol officers, no worse than ours, knowing the Charter of the guard service, brought with them a chair and chalk ..."
      This is an old and famous fairy tale. In fact, the military units of the GDR were not brought into Czechoslovakia during the events of August 1968. Initially, they wanted to use two German divisions, but then they abandoned these plans. It was rumored that in the Soviet Union it was believed that the introduction of German troops would cause unnecessary associations from October 1938. True, the 7th Panzer and 11th Motorized Rifle Division NVA (National People's Army of the GDR) were fully alert on the border from the German Democratic Republic. But they did not have to be involved.
  7. specialist636
    specialist636 2 October 2013 10: 52 New
    +9
    It touched the soul of this "story". There is such a fantasy genre. In other words, a lie. At what, a lie at the level of a fighter oh. Here those who did not serve and those who served in the army as an ordinary soldier are a dime a dozen. Such officers in the army call the "organism")))) In this regard, the request: if it writes something to the body, then let it be signed, such a fighter. Do you want to read nonsense and have fun, do not want to read and do not be upset.
    Of interest are the stories of officers, specialists in weapons and military equipment.
    I don’t understand what mowers and fighters are doing here? Courage recruited virtual?
    1. Krapovy32
      Krapovy32 2 October 2013 23: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: specialist636
      It touched the soul of this "story". There is such a fantasy genre. In other words, a lie. At what, a lie at the level of a fighter oh. Here those who did not serve and those who served in the army as an ordinary soldier are a dime a dozen. Such officers in the army call the "organism")))) In this regard, the request: if it writes something to the body, then let it be signed, such a fighter. Do you want to read nonsense and have fun, do not want to read and do not be upset.
      Of interest are the stories of officers, specialists in weapons and military equipment.
      I don’t understand what mowers and fighters are doing here? Courage recruited virtual?


      good 100500
  8. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 2 October 2013 11: 31 New
    +4
    So it was or not, as the author describes in the material, I can not judge. As a historian, I know that there can be at least three interpretations of an event - official (generally accepted), not official (most truthful), and what ... was really ...

    But in any case, one thing is true - China launched an invasion of the territory of the Soviet Union. Moreover, this was not the first such invasion ...
    Since then, neither the system nor the ideology in the PRC has changed ... But the equipment of the PLA with new types of weapons has increased. At the moment it is not less than 40%. And this is far from the limit ...
  9. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 2 October 2013 12: 53 New
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    He visited Zhalanashkol (bare lake, in Kazakh). A round bare lake in the center of the bare gorge. The peaks of the mountains surrounding both sides of the mountains were then Soviet, and from there it was clearly visible what the Chinese were doing. The wind is always crazy. I think it’s stupid to throw troops, because it’s a few kilometers from the airport, somewhere around 80-85, what kind of perversion?
    1. specialist636
      specialist636 2 October 2013 13: 10 New
      +9
      And there was no perversion. Just like there was no special forces.
      You noticed: "By the morning, the people from the company left us at the meeting point 25-30" 25-30))))) the author does not consider the difference in principle to be five people, or maybe he doesn’t know how to count it? Five people back and forth. And what? Ghibli, like flies)))))))))) Here's a sick imagination. I don’t understand why moderators miss this all?
    2. Airman
      Airman 2 October 2013 13: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Asan Ata
      He visited Zhalanashkol (bare lake, in Kazakh). A round bare lake in the center of the bare gorge. The peaks of mountains surrounding both sides of the mountains were then Soviet, it was clearly visible from there what the Chinese were doing.?

      And what, the Kazakhs gave the tops of the mountains to the Chinese? They were then Kazakh territory.
      1. Asan Ata
        Asan Ata 2 October 2013 23: 22 New
        +1
        It seems prosrali. I definitely don’t presume to answer, but so said competent people. Delimitation ate the tops. Fuck.
  10. Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 2 October 2013 14: 05 New
    +4
    What the hell is the special forces brigade? Maximum MMG (motorized maneuver group) advanced from the detachment.
  11. scientist
    scientist 2 October 2013 14: 14 New
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    What did not work in China during the Soviet era, they did in the late 90s. The border section with a length of almost 1000 km was shifted 50 km into the territory of Kazakhstan.
    Quote: Povshnik
    I served there since 1972

    And the radar company where the air defense served was taken out of the Dzhungar Gate and now not only the Chinese airspace is completely inaccessible to air defense, but also its own in the mountainous regions. Although previously viewed the airspace of China at 100-200km in depth.
    And now the second phase of the capture has begun. Now China is the most active in developing Kazakhstan's oil and gas fields, it is even buying up gas stations, I think that they will teach the oil refining industry to be resolved in favor of China soon. At the same time, unlike the United States, Europe and Russia, as follows from materials published in Wikileaks, Chinese entrepreneurs operate with the support of their own special services and are not shy about giving huge bribes to the country's leadership for profitable oil contracts. Although in their country they are shooting officials for this.
    Now in Kazakhstan, opponents of the Customs and Eurasian Unions are increasingly active. And if this integration process reverses, the third stage of the quiet expansion of China will begin, this is political and informational control of the actions of the government and the media of Kazakhstan, and with it the entire CA.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 2 October 2013 15: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: scientist
      What did not work in China during the Soviet era, they did in the late 90s. A section of the border with a length of almost 1000 km was shifted 50 km inland

      Here you have a good neighbor with a modest name - "great" China ...
    2. Airman
      Airman 2 October 2013 19: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: scientist
      What did not work in China during the Soviet era, they did in the late 90s. The border section with a length of almost 1000 km was shifted 50 km into the territory of Kazakhstan.
      Quote: Povshnik
      I served there since 1972

      And the radar company where the air defense served was taken out of the Dzhungar Gate and now not only the Chinese airspace is completely inaccessible to air defense, but also its own in the mountainous regions. Although previously viewed the airspace of China at 100-200km in depth.
      .

      The regiment was in Taldy-Kurgan.
      1. scientist
        scientist 2 October 2013 20: 41 New
        +1
        In the 80s, they reassigned the company to the Ucherai battalion of the Semipalatinsk RTV brigade.
        1. Airman
          Airman 2 October 2013 20: 50 New
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          Quote: scientist
          In the 80s, they reassigned the company to the Ucherai battalion of the Semipalatinsk RTV brigade.

          A company of Taldykurgan ortp air defense SV SAVO was on alert there.
    3. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 2 October 2013 23: 32 New
      +3
      500 sq. kilometers, mostly uninhabited, delimitation ate. As far as I know, among the Tajiks, the Chinese ate about 10% of the territory. It was very important for us to complete the delimitation, since without it the Chinese claimed almost half of Kazakhstan. It is difficult to evaluate the work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan, there is no information in the press. And the Chinese own part of the oil and gas projects, the pipe was extended to China. Honestly, now I do not believe that the Chinese want to go deeper. Today, their imagination was eaten by Africa. There are tropics, there is bowels, there are black, which no one counted, and will not count. And here there are evil muslims, a semi-desert, a 100-degree difference in winter-summer, well, inhospitable. And Russia, well, will not be happy, I think.
  12. uizik
    uizik 2 October 2013 15: 29 New
    +5
    Everything is wrong! Subjective approach to events. And was he there? Now a sea of ​​commandos has “divorced”. The impression is that the whole CA is solid specialists!
  13. knn54
    knn54 2 October 2013 16: 39 New
    +3
    From the popular:
    Chinese revisionists attacked the peacefully working Soviet tractor. The collective farm chairman, Colonel Ivanov, said: if this happens again, harvesters will enter the field!
    1. UVB
      UVB 2 October 2013 18: 31 New
      +5
      The end of the world will come when the Chinese learn that rice is a side dish!
  14. vrach
    2 October 2013 17: 57 New
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    From the Author. Thank you dear readers for your attention to the article. Due to the fact that some have questions about the material I will clarify. Ebel N.A. a real person, born 19 on November 1949 of the year, lived in the village of Pavlodar (suburb) at the time of this operation he was 20 years old. People are not willing to share information about what they gave a non-disclosure subscription to. This is not the only operation in which he participated. I can’t say more either, as well as appearances and passwords. :) 15 itself was silent for years. Because it was a brilliant operation, so far no one has told you about it and you did not know about it. And our losses were minimal.
    The same Wiki or AIF if you are not interested, rummaging around on the Internet contradict the story
  15. vrach
    2 October 2013 18: 01 New
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    And to myself, I served in the Air Force, so I don’t know what horns (machine guns) they called in special forces. There are rattles in every hut
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 2 October 2013 20: 56 New
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      In May-June of the same 1969, the situation on the so-called Dzhungar ledge of the Kazakhstani border section suddenly sharpened, on August 12, in the PRC, in the immediate vicinity of the Soviet border outposts, Rodnikovaya and Zhalanashkol, the movement of reinforced groups of Chinese troops was noticed. At that time, the Chief of the Border Troops of the Eastern District Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant General Merkulov Matvey Kuzmich proposed that the Chinese side hold talks, but did not receive a response to the proposal from the neighboring side.
      In connection with the further aggravation of the situation, both outposts on the threatened section of the border were put on high alert, and taking into account the experience of border battles in the Far East, entire strongholds consisting of a system of trenches and communications, on the flanks of these OPs were deployed APCs from the maneuver group. That is, border guards quite seriously prepared to repel possible armed aggression from neighboring China, and as subsequent events showed, they were not prepared in vain.
      According to the memoirs of General I. Petrov, who headed the specially created operational group of the PV, the events unfolded as follows: on August 13 at about 5:30 in the morning, two groups of Chinese military personnel (9 and 6 people) crossed the USSR border in the vicinity of the Zhalanashkol outpost, delved into its territory at 400 and 100 meters and already by 7 o’clock in the morning began to dig. A group of hundreds of soldiers concentrated behind the border in readiness to support them with fire, after about an hour the first shots were fired and a battle ensued.
      Soon, another 40 Chinese soldiers armed with small arms and anti-tank weapons crossed the border, occupying one of the hills. With them, reinforcements approached from a neighboring outpost on 3 armored personnel carriers joined the battle. Another group of Soviet soldiers under the command of senior lieutenant Vadim Olshevsky consisting of 8 people but with the support of 2 armored personnel carriers entered the rear of the violators, the Chinese rushed about and took up a defensive all around. By nine o’clock the captured height was completely repelled, the violators were partially destroyed, partially scattered and completely driven out of Soviet territory. Border guards entrenched themselves on the line of the State Border, while blocking the exit and participation in the fighting of the reserve from the adjacent side.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 2 October 2013 20: 56 New
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        During the battle, the border guards showed true stamina and heroism, showed high personal moral and psychological training and solo training, not one of the fighters left the battlefield, even the wounded border guards continued the battle, so one of them, Sergeant Viktor Ovchinnikov, continued to move forward with two with broken hands! The commander of the assault group, Senior Lieutenant Olshevsky, who also did not leave the battlefield, was wounded in the leg. In the last minutes of the attack, Private Ryazanov was mortally wounded, who managed to throw grenades at the Chinese who lay down. He died on the way to the hospital aboard a helicopter. Especially worth mentioning is the courage and courage of the crew of the armored personnel carrier, in which there was a junior lieutenant Vladimir Puchkov. Maneuvering on the ground, the crew watered enemy positions with fire from a heavy machine gun. The APC received several holes. Puchkov was wounded in the thigh and bandaged himself. The bullet pierced the right hand of the driver Pishchulev. He drove the car with one left hand, and this brave warrior ended the battle, driving the car and not leaving the battle. These were people of Soviet education, the sons of those who went through the Great Patriotic War.
        The losses of the Soviet side amounted to 12 people, of whom 10 were wounded and 2 (Private Vitaly Ryazanov and Junior Sergeant Mikhail Dulepov) were killed. Among the Chinese, 19 people were killed, 40 wounded, 3 were captured, two of them died from their wounds on the way to Ucharal. From the memoirs of Major General I. Petrov, it is also known that, retreating, the adjacent side, with the help of an approaching reserve, took with it at least thirty more bodies of their killed soldiers (http://www.litrossia.ru/2009/40/04568.html) .
        Trophies were collected on the battlefield: TT-4 pistols, RPD-1 machine gun, SKS carbines-9, 4 anti-tank grenades, 27 hand grenades, 6 RPG grenades, 1 radio station, 2 movie cameras (among those killed) there were two cameramen), a camera - 1, a telephoto lens - 1, as well as other items of equipment, probably the Chinese with the help of movie cameras were going to film their success in the battle with the "Soviet revisionists", but they were not lucky, the cameramen themselves were among those killed .
        The battle lasted exactly sixty-five minutes. This impudent provocation cost the Maoists dearly, the corpses of Chinese soldiers remained on high stones. Left with quotes in pockets that did not save, did not help.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 2 October 2013 20: 57 New
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          Among the trophies picked up by the border guards on the Kamennaya hill, there was an iron badge with a portrait of the “great Helmsman”. The icon is broken by a bullet. Perhaps it should not have been mentioned about him, if not for the engraved inscription. The hieroglyphs read like this: “I was awarded in honor of the victorious (?!) Reflection of the aggression of Soviet revisionists on the island of Zhengbaodao” ... (http://militera.lib.ru/h/20c2/04.html). Apparently, those Chinese provocateurs who managed to survive during the fighting in the Far East on the Ussuri River were finished off here at Zhalanashkol.
          An analysis of the events that took place at the Zhalanashkol outpost indicates that they are an example of a quick and clear suppression of a pre-prepared and carefully planned armed provocation. During the fire battle, the enemy unit was destroyed, three times superior to the number of Soviet border guards. This was made possible thanks to the speed of the decision to destroy, the competent technical organization of the battle, the determination and courageous behavior of Soviet soldiers. An important result was also the skillful use of armored personnel carriers and helicopters, carrying out continuous reconnaissance, delivery of ammunition and the removal of the wounded.
          A complete defeat of the enemy is also evidenced by the fact that if around all the other provocations that took place on the eastern and Far Eastern borders in 69, a wide propaganda campaign was conducted in China, then not a word was said about Zhalanashkol. This is understandable to anyone who wants to acknowledge the defeat of their best troops belonging to special forces, however, the Soviet side also kept complete silence about the feat accomplished by the Soviet border guards, but because of the then "secrecy", for most Soviet people the border conflict in the Zhalanashkol region is long time remained unknown.
          This conflict became the largest after the battles for Damansky military clash between the USSR and China. On the Kazakhstani section of the border, the Chinese side no longer undertook provocations. Having been defeated in the Zhalanashkol region, the Chinese quickly became accommodating and already on September 11, 1969 in Beijing, A.N. Kosygin and Zhou Enlai agreed to end hostilities.
          In winter, an order came from Zhalanashkol outpost from Moscow, to return the captive, and to dig out the dead Chinese soldiers and hand them over to the adjacent side. When the living intruder and 18 bodies were handed over to the Chinese side, our border guards saw that the Chinese piled coffins with the bodies of their soldiers into a pile and set them on fire. And from their friend, who had just returned from captivity, the Chinese military ripped off their uniforms in front of everyone, kicked them into a car and drove away.
          On May 7, 1970, by decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR No. 5095-7, over thirty distinguished border guards were awarded the highest military awards, including two orders of Lenin, five orders of the Red Banner, six orders of the Red Star and two soldiers for the first time after the Second World War Order of Glory of the 3rd degree , the medal "For Courage" - 10 people and the medal "For Military Merit" - 11 border guards (http://militera.lib.ru/h/20c2/04.html).
          For a long time, this award was confidential, and few knew about it. And about our Heroes of Zhalanashkol who did not give a single meter of Soviet land to the enemy of our contemporaries, few also know.
          After border conflicts, the Soviet Union urgently took steps to strengthen its Far Eastern and Asian borders; for this purpose, certain formations and units of the Armed Forces were relocated from the western and central regions of the country to Transbaikalia, the Far East and Central Asia, and improvements were made to engineering of the border strip, more purposefully, combat training of border units began to be carried out.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 October 2013 21: 00 New
            +5
            But most importantly, measures were taken to strengthen the fire capabilities of border outposts and border detachments, and the number of machine guns, including large-caliber, hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers and other weapons, increased in the units. Armored personnel carriers of the BTR-60PA and BTR-60PB type also entered the outposts, special reserves were created in the border detachments as part of maneuverable, and later motorized, groups capable of independently conducting full-scale military operations armed with armored vehicles and even artillery, and the border security system itself was improved , which foreign experts recognized at that time as the most perfect in the world.

            Soviet border guards who died in the area of ​​Lake Zhalanashkol

            DULEPOV Mikhail Konstantinovich, born in 1948, Perm region, Perm region, p. Sylva. It was called up on June 21, 1967 by the Perm RVC. Junior sergeant, dog service instructor, 14th border guard post "Zhalanashkol" of the 130th border detachment of the Eastern Border District. He died in battle on August 13, 1969. He was buried in a civil cemetery in the village. Uch-Aral Taldy-Kurgan region of the Kazakh SSR.
            Ryazanov Vitaliy Pavlovich, born in 1949, Chelyabinsk region, the city of Zlatoust. He was called up on October 31, 1968 by the Zlatoust RVC. Private, radio telegrapher, 13th frontier post "19th detour" of the 130th frontier detachment of the Eastern Border District. He died in battle on August 13, 1969. He was buried in a civil cemetery in the village. Uch-Aral Taldy-Kurgan region of the Kazakh SSR.
            Eternal memory to all Soviet and Russian border guards who fell in battle defending the borders of their Fatherland.


            In the photo: a young soldier arriving to serve at a border outpost is given a personalized weapon, an assault rifle of Sergeant Mikhail Dulepov, who died in battle.
            1. specialist636
              specialist636 2 October 2013 21: 23 New
              +3
              Here is the truth!
              To the author of the article.
              Dear, stop lying!
            2. Alex 241
              Alex 241 2 October 2013 21: 30 New
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              [media = Soviet-Chinese% 20conflict% 20Jalanashkol% 201969]
            3. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 2 October 2013 21: 37 New
              +1
              Dear Alex 241, Thank you! Without instructing the respected author of the pack, I recommend being more discerning in the selection of material.
            4. Doctor Evil
              Doctor Evil 2 October 2013 22: 38 New
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              Mikhail Dulepov is my fellow countryman. I knew his parents personally. I know his sister too. And his friend, wounded in that battle, Valery Afanasyevich Kondakov later taught drawing and sketching at our school. He spoke about those events very sparingly and reluctantly.
            5. scientist
              scientist 7 October 2013 19: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              most importantly, measures were taken to strengthen the fire capabilities of border outposts and border detachments, the number of machine guns increased in units,

              I want to add a little. Still to reflect the possible breakthrough of the Chinese through the Dzhung gates, nuclear mines were buried there.
              In the Ucharal region, 2 tank armies were deployed. Strategic Aviation Division in the region of Semipalatinsk, Air Force Division and Air Defense Corps. This is just what I know and personally saw how in the 90s all this was deduced and destroyed
              Here is such a little support to our border guards.
  16. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 2 October 2013 20: 47 New
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    Ebel is a deceiver. Not one commander, being in his right mind, will give an order to conduct an unprepared landing operation without the knowledge of the Military District Command. To drop a parachute unit, even for special purposes, in the mountains at night, it will never occur to anyone. This can be said and discussed by a person who did not even serve in military service. Lies from beginning to end. The invented Ebel does not say anything about the task setting by the direct commanders, especially the tales about how they fired at the Chinese military men look especially false.
    1. specialist636
      specialist636 2 October 2013 21: 26 New
      +2
      Yes, not only Ebel is lying. Most likely the author of the article is another “dogmaster”. He lies and does not blush. This is a shame - everyone makes fun of him!))))))))) Anyway - he lies and does not unlock. Maybe he’s sick on his head?
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 2 October 2013 21: 38 New
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        Yes, not only Ebel is lying. Most likely the author of the article is another “dogmaster”. He lies and does not blush. This is a shame - everyone makes fun of him!))))))))) Anyway - he lies and does not unlock. Maybe he’s sick on his head?



        Especially about parachuting, at night, of an entire formation (brigade) to the mountains. And this is in peacetime, not in a threatened period.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 2 October 2013 21: 50 New
          +2
          We already had the sad experience of landing in the mountains.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 2 October 2013 22: 09 New
            +1
            The author does not know what special forces are, what tasks he solves.
  17. repytw
    repytw 2 October 2013 21: 54 New
    +4
    I served with a senior warrant officer, who received “For BZ” for this fight, while still a green conscript, for the next anniversary of Zhalanashkol, after honoring him, as a veteran told us about those events, there weren’t any special forces there were border guards and reinforcement with motorized group detachment.
  18. Black
    Black 2 October 2013 22: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex 241
    We already had the sad experience of landing in the mountains.

    This is somewhat different.
    This is essentially a Major League ... with a test of maximum human capabilities
  19. Valentine
    Valentine 2 October 2013 22: 36 New
    +3
    Something I did not understand this video. What are the "Kazakhstan border guards", what is the "state border of Kazakhstan" in 1969, in what parallel reality do Kazakh television people live?
    1. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 2 October 2013 23: 44 New
      +1
      As a rule, these are "advanced" boys for 30 years. Well, you yourself understand, children, what the USSR does not know, how the Kazakh SSR differs from the Republic of Kazakhstan, they do not understand.
  20. VadimSt
    VadimSt 2 October 2013 23: 51 New
    +1
    Indeed, the whole country spoke about Damansky, but they somehow kept silent about Zhalanashkol, but there was information in parts (KSAVO), maybe not everywhere. Somewhere in 76-77, in one of the parts (possibly in Ushtobe, Naryn or Chatyr-Kol), I saw photographs of those events on the stand. I remembered one plot, one episode. On one close-up, the border guard assists a wounded Chinese (in all the photos, there were only border guards), on the other a more general picture - this wounded Chinese man is leaning with his back to the pile, you can’t better say the bodies of his former colleagues. That's just, two-meter Chinese, somehow did not remain in memory.
  21. jjj
    jjj 4 October 2013 04: 28 New
    +1
    In 1975-1978, he was familiar with Captain Govor, the foreman of the 12th brigade. He was awarded the Order of the Red Star for his actions at Zhalanashkole. His wife provided medical assistance to the wounded Chinese. One of them nearly killed her. Ours were ready for an attack. A large-scale operation was carried out with the sanction of the country's top leadership. Alpha wasn’t there yet. Apparently, there is no need to speak about GRU special forces, either, although there were such units. According to Govor, there were "paratroopers" in frontier uniforms. The operation was not just to defend the borders of the USSR. It was deeper, spreading to Chinese territory. Trophies were taken, including very rare and expensive video equipment with footage. The evidence gathered suggested that the Americans also had a hand in it. Everything was classified.
    About the two-meter Chinese. I saw them. Really - ambulas. They provided negotiated border procedures. And in winter they wore fur coats, fur hats and ... sneakers. We then laughed as their legs did not freeze. Now in the cold I wear Chinese winter sneakers. And I understand what the dog rummaged through.
    1. specialist636
      specialist636 4 October 2013 08: 50 New
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      One more !!! Where did you come from?
      A terrible story: the wife of some Govor is providing honey to the Chinese, and he is trying to kill her. Chinese - he is such a Chinese.)))))
      "... a very rare and expensive video equipment with footage ..." - the Chinese then at that time?)))))))) Well !!!
      Again, "Everything is classified," "Americans made a hand," a member was assigned blacks ....))), Americans for the Chinese of that time were enemies No. 1.
      If your brain does not allow you to earn money, then go in Chinese sneakers. This is your fate! Humble yourself
  22. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 4 October 2013 04: 42 New
    +2
    Well, by the way, the United States offers to be friends against China, and immediately articles appear on you which Chinese are bad, and you can’t believe them and they will attack. Only if we compare how much the United States caused damage to the USSR and how much China, then the comparison will not be in favor of the United States. It’s as if they say whose cow would moo. Similar articles and generally talk about the threat from China, vile and purposeful propaganda. So I don’t know who the author is, but he is a provocateur.
    1. specialist636
      specialist636 4 October 2013 08: 54 New
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      No. He is not a provocateur. He is banal, of which there are many. An ordinary fighter and a story related. Everyone already chewed him and proved him, but this is a stubborn animal and there's nothing to be done about it - a child of a drunken table.
      This one wanted to fool us. He does not even know how to lie credibly. Why should we be loyal to him? You need to omit these in full.
  23. RomanN
    RomanN 7 October 2013 16: 57 New
    +2
    Why is there such faith in the Chinese? The Chinese themselves are very purposefully preparing to chop off our territory. And on our territory they buy up shock everything that I can (I mean land and real estate), we don’t consider our customs at all, because of which our enterprises simply can’t compete no development is possible with them. Their military is primarily imprisoned for war with our VS. They themselves do not hide this in personal communication and are completely confident in their complete superiority.