Construction of a promising American SSBN will begin in 2021

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Construction of a promising American SSBN will begin in 2021The US Navy seeks to reduce the cost of developing a promising SSBN (X) SSBN to replace Ohio-class strategic submarines through the use of Virginia strike nuclear submarine technologies, DoD BUZZ reports September 27, citing senior representatives fleet.

The fleet made adjustments to the program in order to reduce its cost, said Rear Admiral Richard Breckenridge, director of the systems of the US Navy underwater warfare, in an interview to Military.com.

12 prospective SSBNs should replace Ohio's 14 submarines. The development of the boat is carried out in the company Electric Boat, which is a branch of General Dynamics. Five-year R & D work has an 1,85 billion value. Excluding the design work, the cost of one SSBN should be 4,9 billion dollars (previously the price was 5,4 billion dollars). The construction of the head SSBN should begin in 2021 year.

The new SSBN will have 16 launchers of SLBMs compared to the 24 of the Ohio submarine, refueling the nuclear power plant only once before handing over the Navy, the estimated service life of the submarine 42 of the year (the SSBB Ohio has been refilled several times during the operation) . The number of new SSBNs - 12 units - is calculated taking into account the minimum requirements of the Navy in this component of strategic nuclear deterrence. On the boat, in particular, will be used spherical antenna GUS, mast / periscope fiber-optic data transmission lines, high-definition cameras, remote control with touch panels and joysticks used on the submarine "Virginia".

Next year, the number of US Navy SSBN combat patrols will exceed 4000, Breckenridge said. “Having a naval strategic component with 1960’s prevented the outbreak of a major war using nuclear weapons and gave the highest guarantees of security of our country, "said Rear Admiral. Meanwhile, the Russian and Chinese navies are building new SSBNs with nuclear weapons, Breckenridge warned.

“Submarines are almost an ideal second strike weapon; they provide the potential for a counterstroke in any circumstances. Sea-based missiles are more accurate than ICBMs and significantly more efficient than strategic bombers, ”said Chris Preble, vice president of defense and foreign policy at the Cato Institute (Washington, DC).
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  1. +5
    1 October 2013 15: 01
    Will they all start? already it’s time to finish it with such a state. debt.
    1. +26
      1 October 2013 15: 07
      On a public debt to them no difference. How much is needed and will be printed.
      1. +2
        1 October 2013 22: 28
        Quote: olol
        On a public debt to them no difference. How much is needed and will be printed.

        Well then, why don’t they print for Detroit and others who are breathing incense, for health care, education, social needs?
        Their time is up.
        1. +3
          2 October 2013 05: 43
          production from Detroit was withdrawn, and there it was almost Harlem, so they put it in Detroit ... Yes
      2. 0
        2 October 2013 21: 59
        Quote: olol
        On a public debt to them no difference. How much is needed and will be printed.


        In this light, the outcome of the Cold War needs to be reviewed. If you look from the point of view of a radical, or otherwise not called, reduction of the marine nuclear component, the war was played in a draw ... and then we will see who else will survive after it ...
    2. +5
      1 October 2013 15: 45
      Quote: Sirs
      Will they all start? already it’s time to finish it with such a state. debt.

      You are not farsighted. Now these submarines will be built, and let's go to sea-oceans to engage in piracy, this way they will replenish the budget and forgive debts laughing And this movie is pretty darn good)))
      1. +5
        1 October 2013 16: 49
        About the film I agree, I laughed heartily "Remove perescope". There are no anti-Russian sentiments in it. You can watch.
        1. Misantrop
          +7
          1 October 2013 17: 00
          Quote: Canep
          There are no anti-Russian sentiments in it.

          There anti-American sentiment on the very nostrils (or, at least, American anti-government) laughing
          1. +3
            1 October 2013 17: 14
            Well, this is their business, we also regularly iron Dimon against the wool.
            But in fact, can sonar in a submarine hear anti-submarine aircraft?
            1. Misantrop
              +3
              1 October 2013 22: 56
              Quote: Canep
              Can a sonar in a submarine hear an anti-submarine aircraft?
              On a nuclear submarine going 200 m? Or on the submarine below the surface of the water in low noise mode, when almost everything is stopped? These are all different things. In addition, the PLO plane, when circling in a suspicious area, usually also throws buoys, but this is not difficult to hear
    3. +7
      1 October 2013 17: 54
      Here is a very interesting and fun reading about the US Nuclear Potential.

      http://vg-news.ru/news/20120241074.html

      1. +3
        1 October 2013 18: 08
        Well, this is humor no more. There are so many jambs in that article that you get tired of bending your fingers.
        1. 0
          1 October 2013 21: 00
          There can be many shoals, but the article is definitely pleasant!
          One thing - "If the United States completely ceases to see the shores and send its largest armed forces in the world at us, we will simply swat the tank with a nuclear slipper like a cockroach in response." What is it worth! lol

          "And this despite the fact that the average age of an American nuclear warhead is more than 30 years" - I read (although it would be naive to expect frankness in such matters) that the warranty period for Soviet ammunition was 7 years. Think about it. what
          1. +3
            1 October 2013 21: 23
            I don’t know how to enjoy such humor.

            The warranty period for any warhead is about 15-20 years, what we have, what the Americans have. That is why they are undergoing modernization. What do we have, what do they have. And that is why they are combat ready.
          2. +1
            2 October 2013 05: 52
            and our "mace" is "ready", so the mattress covers are probably panicking ... wassat in general, the article is about nothing, so ... the author’s fantasies ...
    4. +1
      1 October 2013 19: 09
      have they ever paid attention to it
    5. +1
      1 October 2013 19: 27
      something is not visible that the public debt is interfering with their plans.
      1. +4
        1 October 2013 21: 42
        Quote: lonely
        something is not visible that the public debt is interfering with their plans.

        Omar, welcome! fellow
        It is still, but the laws of economics, like mathematics can not be fooled, or do you think otherwise? wink Neither will they build anything in the 21 year, nor any new super0 super boats, this is their statement a bunch in the water, the necessary demarche to maintain a decrepit image! So it will be, you see! tongue
        1. +3
          1 October 2013 23: 31
          I welcome Andrey! I always adhere to one rule:

          it’s better to overestimate them and prepare seriously against them than to underestimate them. hi
  2. waisson
    -1
    1 October 2013 15: 02
    and in fact they will build, and we ?????????????
    1. +2
      1 October 2013 15: 05
      We build!)) Not everything flies but we build), here is a photo fact - http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/216450.html
      Threat. They will test and bring both the mace and the carriers.
    2. 0
      1 October 2013 15: 19
      Quote: waisson
      and in fact they will build, and we ?????????????

      We have a plan, a new boat is planned in 2025 ...
      The deadline is still long, therefore, what and who will succeed is not known ...
      1. 0
        1 October 2013 15: 54
        This is what is planned by us new for 2025 year? Descent of an aircraft carrier? Bylob biting!
        Enlighten please.
        1. 0
          1 October 2013 16: 42
          Quote: ben gun
          Enlighten please.

          Nothing specific yet. The conversation was about a new generation ...
    3. AVV
      +2
      1 October 2013 15: 46
      And we are building, even taking them into service, and temporary malfunctions with the Mace will end all the same !!! And we hope that very soon !!!
    4. +5
      1 October 2013 15: 52
      Quote: waisson
      and in fact they will build


      And we have gas first. Sevmash - he is a manufacturer of nuclear submarines for the Navy, has finally taken up the real business - is building universal offshore submersible platforms weighing more than 100 thousand tons.
    5. Misantrop
      +6
      1 October 2013 17: 03
      Quote: waisson
      and after all, will we build?
      What year is the new Yankees submarine scheduled for? And the PR began NOW. By the time of its launching into the subcortex of the population of the entire planet, it will already be tightly hammering in that the PERFECT THIS IS SIMPLY NOT HAPPENED. And according to the hell, what characteristics there actually will turn out to be, they still will not get into the open press wassat
  3. +11
    1 October 2013 15: 02
    It's interesting what our overseas "partners" will come up with ...
    Pleased with the quote: “The presence of a naval strategic component in our country since the 1960s prevented the outbreak of a major war with the use of nuclear weapons and gave the highest guarantees for the security of our country.” It is more likely to say here that if they weren’t in the USSR, then nothing would have prevented the start of a big war using nuclear weapons
    1. +2
      2 October 2013 01: 24
      Quote: il grand casino
      It's interesting what our overseas "partners" will come up with ...

      “Submarines are almost the ideal weapon of the second strike, they provide the potential for counterattack in any circumstances. Sea-based missiles are more accurate than ICBMs and significantly more effective than strategic bombers. ”

      Mr. Admiral is disingenuous: according to their VM doctrines, SSBNs are the weapon of the first disarming strike, since the KVO at Trident-2 is of the order of 120-250м. Which is enough to create p = 200 kg / cm2. Such pressure is guaranteed to destroy silos, silos, etc.
      Well, since 100% of combat-ready SSBN / RPKSN are guaranteed neither to us nor to them to track down and not to destroy in one fell swoop, then "they provide the potential for a counterattack under any circumstances." The "balance of fear" stopped the striped ones, not their peacefulness.
  4. +1
    1 October 2013 15: 03
    It is a pity it is not said what missiles and what else these boats will be equipped with.
    And somehow I hardly believe in the 4,5 yard of greenery for the ship. The aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford will be launching 43 yards apiece recently.
    1. Turbo 253
      +2
      1 October 2013 15: 18
      Ford-class aircraft carriers will replace the Nimitz-class ships developed in 1960. The Navy plans to spend $ 43 billion on three new aircraft carriers that will be equipped with advanced technologies "that are designed to create operational efficiencies while providing a higher departure price with reduced manpower compared to current carriers."

      The Ford class will include "a new electromagnetic aircraft launch system for propelling aircraft from a ship," "an advanced aerofinisher to restore an aircraft"; updated "anti-aircraft missile systems;" "dual band radar that combines two radars operating on different frequency bands to provide air traffic control"; and other innovative technologies, including new power plants, water generation and waste disposal systems.
      1. +5
        1 October 2013 16: 41
        Water generation is very dangerous))) laughing
      2. +4
        1 October 2013 19: 54
        Quote: Turbo 253
        and other innovative technologies, including new power plants, water generation and waste management systems.

        What is it ?? What fucking nonsense is that? Google translator into Russian amused from the heart! laughing
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  5. Turbo 253
    -1
    1 October 2013 15: 20
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    1. +3
      1 October 2013 23: 16


      Who likes what video! what bully
      1. 0
        2 October 2013 01: 01
        What kind of play?
        1. 0
          2 October 2013 16: 21
          Some part from the Silent Hunter series apparently ...
  6. Gennady1973
    +6
    1 October 2013 15: 24
    Personally, I would really like that this boat would never go out to sea and "float" ...
    1. Turbo 253
      -15
      1 October 2013 15: 29
      nobody cares what you want
      1. Gennady1973
        +5
        1 October 2013 15: 35
        Turbo 253 I expressed my opinion and judging by your "rainbow" flag, you are not pleased! what have you forgotten on this site? Former patriot? emigrant? here and live chat with those whose flag you showed "shitcrats"
      2. +3
        1 October 2013 15: 53
        Quote: Turbo 253
        nobody cares what you want

        So behave accordingly and don’t stick your nose anywhere ... Sooner or later we’ll pinch anyone ...
        1. Turbo 253
          -8
          1 October 2013 16: 04
          In the USSR, people worked and did things. in Russia, just words
          1. +13
            1 October 2013 17: 24
            German Bundeskanzler Helmut Kohl once said in a conversation with the American president: "You underestimate the monstrous strength of the Russians. The latent potential of Russia is enormous and invisible for the time being. And so it is dangerous."

            Helmut Kohl is a German, but who else but the Helmuts know Russia so? The German swam, the German knows))
          2. +4
            1 October 2013 20: 07
            Quote: Turbo 253
            In the USSR, people worked and did things. in Russia, just words

            Please tell me, where did you get such amazing information ?? belay Be careful, otherwise the FBI will declare you a traitor to your homeland without trial, and you will sit in Sheremetyevo without a passport!
    2. +2
      1 October 2013 15: 35
      Quote: Gennady1973
      "floated" .....

      Why are you insulting the American shipbuilding industry so much? it. Although your train of thought is correct, the Premier League is trying to plunge, but does not exit, because IT only floats. lol
      1. +2
        1 October 2013 15: 58
        In my opinion, let IT float))) but ONLY vertically down, towards the Mariana Trench, everything that has been done and serves under the mattress flag. starting with the existing ones and ending with the promising landers. although the bottom will be wicked, so at least G .. on the surface will be less.
  7. +6
    1 October 2013 15: 36
    Helping us to cut the Sharks in the 90s, laid the prospect of destroying our Ohio laughing as unnecessary. You give a repetition of the fate of the USSR in the arms race in America. good
    1. +1
      1 October 2013 15: 49
      Quote: mhpv
      . You give a repeat of the fate of the USSR in the arms race in America.

      It's time to collect stones. Boats and ships are also outdated, and have an unsightly appearance)))) But on the whole we have swung far, Let's see what happens.
    2. 0
      1 October 2013 18: 10
      And so already 4 submarines were converted into arsenal boats.
  8. Gennady1973
    +3
    1 October 2013 15: 40
    Sirocco Good afternoon! At one time he served on the Northern Fleet and therefore wrote "floated" ... but did not go out or plunged. Respectfully.
    1. +3
      1 October 2013 16: 11
      Genady and you do not get sick. I am bursting with pride in the Soviet fleet, and the way they kicked the Americans in the back in the late 80s with a boot.
      1. 0
        2 October 2013 09: 12
        She smiled about the blacks-grief-firefighters) In fact, they have a different attitude to the service, they will not risk their lives. They do not serve, but work as military men with all the ensuing consequences. Black Sea fellow! So, from time to time, they need to be reminded of where their place, the Spartans are bad! And then the Arabs got the hang of chasing slings and consider themselves the best warriors of the planet.
  9. Misantrop
    +9
    1 October 2013 15: 49
    And another stupid thing is reactors with a fuel reserve of 40 years of operation. FUCK, if reloading nuclear weapons is not at all a big problem? But why aren't they planning a supply of products for the crew for the same period? lol
    1. +13
      1 October 2013 15: 59
      Yeah. And the crew so that it could multiply and be supplemented by budding from each other (blue hedgehogs) laughing all 40 years old!
    2. +11
      1 October 2013 16: 03
      Quote: Misantrop
      But why aren't they planning a supply of products for the crew for the same period?


      Then the crew must be recruited from the convicts for this period.
    3. +2
      1 October 2013 16: 38
      There instead of a McDonald's galley or Burger King or KFC hi
      Depending on rank
    4. 0
      1 October 2013 18: 11
      Potmou, that the reactor can be refueled by 40 lei and not be soared with recharging, creating infrastructure, personnel for it, etc. But this will not work with people.
      1. Misantrop
        +1
        1 October 2013 23: 04
        Quote: clidon
        the reactor can be refueled by 40 lei and not be sweated with recharging, creating infrastructure, personnel for it, etc.
        Well, and what size will it work? By the way, on the Northern Fleet the entire infrastructure for reloading nuclear weapons is only ONE PM-12, it is enough for the entire fleet. Moreover, it was enough in the days of the USSR, when the overload of nuclear weapons was not a rare exotic. Active zones can be overloaded directly in the database, even it is not required to drive to the plant
        1. 0
          2 October 2013 20: 25
          And why should the reactor get bigger?

          Now there are “PM-63” and “PM-12” at the SA (by the way 13100 tons of displacement!)
          Technical transport Amur (8400 tons) and technical tanker TNT-12 (2300 tons).
          All this has crews, technical personnel, plus it is necessary to periodically send fuel on rails for processing (to the Urals), where it is stored and maintained. Plus storage and transportation of fresh fuel. And for all this, the staff, and highly qualified.
          And so all this headache is postponed until the cutting of the ship.
          1. Misantrop
            0
            2 October 2013 22: 33
            Here is PM-12 in Olenya. PM-63, judging by the photo, of the same type with her, in Severodvinsk. The technical tanker TNT-12 is needed for anyone, the drainage tanks of the 1st circuit must be drained into it, not overboard they are to be drained. And here it does not matter what the resource of the core, drainages during operation will still be, as well as ships for reloading cores, you still cannot do without them. And the crews on them - too. And if they work a little more often, then their qualifications are higher, right? Or, for each overload, to gather specialists "from a pine forest" who have neither sufficient qualifications, nor experience of working together, nichrome. And hope they don't screw up?
            Quote: clidon
            And why should the reactor get bigger?
            Weird question. The fuel supply is five times longer, sort of, and it will take up more space. Not counting all the associated iron. If now the core has a volume of the order of a cubic meter, then ... wink
            1. 0
              3 October 2013 19: 46
              Yes, of course, you won’t be able to completely get rid of the infrastructure, but it’s one thing when it’s almost routine work, another thing is to deactivate the device only when disposing of the ship. That is, it is 4-5 times less work. You can keep one set for two fleets, transferring submarines to one recycling point, with one storage and one PM, rather than 4 as of now. Up to the missions of Rosatom’s specialists, we have not only the Navy who knows how to unload fuel.

              According to the reactor:
              The fuel supply is not necessarily five times larger. You can increase its enrichment, you can increase the percentage of burnout, increase the efficiency of heat removal using liquid metal media. You can have a lot of things.
              1. Misantrop
                0
                4 October 2013 09: 53
                Quote: clidon
                it’s one thing when it’s almost routine work, another thing is to deactivate the device only when disposing of the ship.
                This WAS routine work with the number of nuclear facilities that existed in the USSR. Decontamination, by the way, is required when the emergency (with broken shells) zone is unloaded. If it worked properly, almost all activity remains in it and does not spread along the contour.
                In Rosatom, by the way, now the same mess as elsewhere. Some thieves. Their staff is supervised by a madam, who previously was in charge of the staff of the Metro chain of stores. One of the department heads is a former student of my friend (nuclear physicist). According to him, the dumbass is simply phenomenal. The rest are not much better. As for a single disposal point, there is one at the moment. It was created on the basis of the former Gremikha naval base by my immediate superior, Rear Admiral Valery Nikolayevich Panteleev. It is there that those zones are unloaded, which earlier could not be approached because of the outrageous activity. The storage area for the unloaded reactor compartments was created in another former base in Sayda Guba, where another colleague of mine was the chief engineer. Well, the third, until recently, was the chief engineer of refueling at PM-12. So I'm more or less aware of all these matters wink

                Quote: clidon
                You can increase its enrichment, you can increase the percentage of burnout, increase the efficiency of heat removal using liquid metal media. You can have a lot of things.
                It is possible, BUT on a different element base and with completely different technologies. When they appear, it is clear that the installations will become noticeably more compact. In the meantime, everything is at the limit. LMC even in this form is not highly reliable, there are too many unsolved problems there. The water coolant is already at the limit (the "triple point of water" is too close). An increase in enrichment will lead to an increase in the swelling of the fuel mixture. And so - wherever you stick, any solution brings with it a bunch of problems that make the installation heavier and increase its dimensions. At the moment and at the current utilization rate, the service life of the fuel assembly is focused on the life of the nuclear submarine overhaul (which is why it was chosen)
                1. 0
                  5 October 2013 09: 50
                  Be that as it may, I think there is no need to argue that the infrastructure carrying out refueling operations is 8 times more frequent than in the case of "unattended" reactors. In the Russian case, this is at least the incapacitation of two, and most likely all three (non-acidic in size) PM-ok with the transfer of recycling work "to outsourcing."
                  As for Rosatom, whatever the ladies and other managers are, the organization is quite actively working with nuclear materials of all types (fuel production, production, storage of nuclear materials and isotopes, operation of existing and construction of new nuclear power plants) and, I think, can cope with the disposal of old transport vehicles.
                  However, initially, I recall, it is about the Americans.

                  Regarding LMT, of course, everything is vague - in Russia they have been running around with the Brest project for a long time, in the USA they put a pilot plant on the Sea Wolf, but I don’t know how the matter really calmed down. enrichment up to 45-70% and the effect is positive. In general, we have quite live "Virginias" with a water apparatus on board and a service life of 80. I do not think that "pulling" another half a dozen years of operation will be a big problem.
    5. 0
      1 October 2013 20: 19
      Quote: Misantrop
      And another stupid thing is reactors with a fuel reserve of 40 years of operation. FUCK, if reloading nuclear weapons is not at all a big problem?

      Is not. But it requires the availability of a special dock, appropriate infrastructure of the base, and specialists. There is a reason for this innovation. Another question is reliability?
  10. captri
    +1
    1 October 2013 17: 03
    A non-reloadable core is something new. Perhaps no one plans that these boats will serve 40 years. Their simultaneous end will come much earlier .... Why would it?
  11. Backfire
    +1
    1 October 2013 18: 12
    Quote: Misantrop
    And another stupid thing is reactors with a fuel reserve of 40 years of operation. FUCK, if reloading nuclear weapons is not at all a big problem? But why aren't they planning a supply of products for the crew for the same period? lol

    Can you even imagine what you are writing about?
    Cut through the "solid" hull, actually disassemble part of the boat. Then collect, mount everything that was removed to access the reactor. It is a lot, long and very carefully to check and recheck everything. How will the rector behave? Then you need to go through a new cycle of sea trials.
    For all this time, the boat falls out of the combat schedule.
    And how much money does it all cost, you thought?
    1. +2
      1 October 2013 20: 30
      Quote: Backfire
      Can you even imagine what you are writing about?
      Cut through the "solid" hull, actually disassemble part of the boat.

      On Russian nuclear submarines, replacing reactor fuel is a regular operation that does not require disassembling the nuclear submarine and removing the reactor. And on the staff, what? Do you need to disassemble the entire submarine? belay You invented it cool! Well this is how much dough you can capitalize! laughing
      1. 0
        1 October 2013 20: 54
        I'm embarrassed to ask - will the "fuel elements" / fuel elements / sailors be carried manually through the "cp" in this case?

        regular operation. Yes.
        but without dismantling parts of a sturdy case, unfortunately in no way.
        1. +5
          1 October 2013 21: 09
          On Russian nuclear submarines, hatches are provided for this operation in the upper part of the hull, from where it is previously placed in a protective container (this operation is performed in the reactor compartment, everything is tight), the reactor fuel is unloaded with a special crane, and fresh is immediately loaded. There is no need to disassemble the case. If necessary, this operation can be performed at a regular pier. How to change on the US submarines, Backfire told us lol
          1. gunnerminer
            +3
            1 October 2013 21: 33
            If necessary, this operation can be performed at a regular pier.




            Theoretically, yes, not one Fleet Commander would take such a risk. This operation is carried out on separate berths, not in a permanent connection base. With the necessary technical support. And authorized personnel carrying out transshipment. Otherwise, it will be like in August 1985, in Chazhma Bay, in the Red Banner Pacific Fleet.
            1. 0
              1 October 2013 22: 16
              Quote: gunnerminer
              Theoretically, yes, not one Fleet Commander would take such a risk. This operation is carried out on separate berths, not in a permanent connection base. With the necessary technical support. And authorized personnel carrying out transshipment. Otherwise, it will be like in August 1985, in Chazhma Bay, in the Red Banner Pacific Fleet.

              To avoid these difficulties, amers used a reactor with a period of 40 years. Interesting news. Does anyone know what the trick is? We wouldn’t be hindered by this, and not just on the nuclear submarines.
              1. +2
                2 October 2013 02: 13
                Quote: GSH-18
                amers and used a reactor with a period of 40 years. Interesting news. Does anyone know what the trick is?

                The trick is that they managed to increase the percentage of nuclear fuel burnup up to 80%. At our first reactors, it was about 20%, so in 3 years - be so kind as to restart the zone (AZ). Now the time between overloads is 8-10 years. True, they try to do this during the period of average repair. The whole hitch and terrible "military" secret lies in the moderator, which allows you to evenly burn out the assembly to the end without losing the amount of thermal neutrons. And the resulting fragments do not absorb their overwhelming number. This is the area of ​​high technology, physical chemistry, etc.
                And the rest (with minor inaccuracies), colleague Misanthrope correctly put everything on the shelves.
                1. Misantrop
                  +1
                  2 October 2013 10: 03
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  The trick is that they managed to increase the percentage of nuclear fuel burnup up to 80%. At our first reactors, it was about 20%, so in 3 years - be so kind as to restart the zone (AZ). Now the time between overloads is 8-10 years. True, they try to do this during the period of average repair. The whole hitch and terrible "military" secret is in a moderator, which allows you to evenly burn the assembly to the end without losing the amount of thermal neutrons.
                  A rather small percentage of active zones was finalized until the campaign was completely exhausted; more often, they were forced to reload according to the maximum activity of 1 circuit due to the destruction of the fuel element shells (or fuel assemblies, depending on the assembly design). With moderators and neutron flux regulators, the problem was more or less managed to be solved already in the second generation. A much more pressing problem is the swelling of the fuel composition as the fuel burns out, whatever shape of the shells they have experienced. The Americans seem to have taken a slightly different path, since this problem has not been solved for them either. Judging if only because the assemblies of their Westinghouse swell regularly
                  1. 0
                    2 October 2013 11: 33
                    KAA boa, Misantrop, thanks for the clarification! In my opinion, such a significant increase in the reactor operating cycle (from 3 years to 40!) Is either an original technical solution (in the reactor design) or a serious technological breakthrough (physical chemistry, radiochemistry). And perhaps both. The advantages of such a source of electricity are obvious (subject to the stated reliability) -not mandatory availability of the maintenance infrastructure of the base (or its minimal availability). Etc. It would be nice for the GRU to ventilate this issue. Yes
            2. Misantrop
              +1
              1 October 2013 23: 19
              Quote: gunnerminer
              No Fleet Commander would take such a risk. This operation is carried out on separate berths, not in a permanent connection base. With the necessary technical support. And authorized personnel carrying out transshipment. Otherwise, it will be like in August 1985, in Chazhma Bay, on the Red Banner Pacific the navy.
              Alas, there was a complete mess in Chazhma when they started overloading zones without any standard equipment for this submarine project, with the help of improvised means. Not that there was no special crane, they did not even bother to make a standard lifting trapezoid with a release rod under the compensating grid. And the movement in the water area was not blocked (the floating crane was rocked by the speedboat, which was how it all began). And on the Northern Fleet for this purpose there has long been a specialized PM-12 (made in Nikolaev). Another thing is that they are trying to time the replacement of the cores with the average repair of the nuclear submarine, since work is still needed to open a solid hull. The so-called "removable sheets" are cut out above the reactors (structurally adapted for this)
      2. 0
        3 October 2013 20: 57
        On Russian nuclear submarines, replacing reactor fuel is a regular operation that does not require disassembling the nuclear submarine and removing the reactor. And on the staff, what? Do you need to disassemble the entire submarine? You invented it cool! Well this is how much dough you can capitalize!

        but without fairy tales, the reloading of nuclear fuel into the reactor implies opening the compartment, etc., etc.
        By the way, regarding the above, the respected Misantropom regarding the incredible size of the reactor, the active zone of which does not need to be changed for the entire service (as in the new states nuclear submarines)
        I remember that on the first boats the active zone was changed almost every year. So, modern nuclear submarine reactors have a higher degree of enriched uranium (they could have achieved this before), but the engineering and fuel elements were not ready (in particular, due to zirconium deformation. Then get acquainted with the topic, boil the reactors a little, what, where and how and after how long core recharging required.
        Reactors with a single charge of the core will be used on the new Amerov’s aircraft carriers.
        Of course, fairy tales can be told about an infinite number of bucks printed, but the Pentagon is always trying to save money both by fixing June and using technical achievements from other projects, so they planned to build a message like 5.4 lard, and built 4,7 for normal. I would like to see something like that in RA that I wanted to spend 1 trill. , but let’s say it’s 800 billion, it’s just not going to happen, in Russia, in this respect, it’s the other way around, they wanted to meet the trillion, they’ve economized and kept in two
    2. Misantrop
      +4
      1 October 2013 23: 07
      Quote: Backfire
      Can you even imagine what you are writing about?
      Cut through the "solid" hull, actually disassemble part of the boat. Then collect, mount everything that was removed to access the reactor. It is a lot, long and very carefully to check and recheck everything. How will the rector behave? Then you need to go through a new cycle of sea trials.
      For all this time, the boat falls out of the combat schedule.
      And how much money does it all cost, you thought?

      Actually, for a sufficient number of years I was the commander of the reactor compartment on the nuclear submarines. And I imagine the whole process in detail. lol
  12. -3
    1 October 2013 19: 02
    And we have a mace, either a rocket or a submarine - it sank almost as much as it took off.
    1. 0
      2 October 2013 10: 28
      And here we are all fools here, we don’t know the chronology of events.
      In the case, that is, what can I say?
  13. Nitup
    0
    1 October 2013 19: 08
    What, interestingly, for the rockets will stand on these boats?
    1. 0
      1 October 2013 19: 29
      Collecting 16 pieces of Trident-2 LE
  14. avg
    +2
    1 October 2013 19: 22
    “The presence of a naval strategic component in our country since the 1960s prevented the outbreak of a major war with the use of nuclear weapons and gave the highest guarantees of the security of our country”

    Now they are pushing this thought everywhere. as if we surrounded their bases and climbed to them across all air and sea borders. We need to deal more actively with counter-propaganda, and even on our TV American documentaries are played where these advanced avaliable pigeons hold back the terrible, but backward Russians.
  15. +2
    1 October 2013 19: 56
    and this bankrupt country puts some other plans for the future when there is no money even for the salaries of civil servants. for them at least a year to exist, and then it will be for them a task from the category of impossible. Still, ordinary Americans must destroy this military-financial-terrorist hydra called the United States. Americans must abandon claims to world domination, acknowledge their crimes against humanity, reduce their armed forces to a minimum, abandon aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, and nuclear weapons; Americans must close all their military bases abroad, withdraw from NATO, stop cooperating, organize, arm, create, lead terrorist organizations; recognize that the United States in its current form is a threat to peace and America should be transformed into a community of peaceful independent 50 states. and only then can it be said that America has become closer to the civilized community and has rejected the hateful barbaric policy of the scavenger. IMHO.
  16. +1
    1 October 2013 20: 35
    Quote: Misantrop
    And another stupid thing is reactors with a fuel reserve of 40 years of operation. FUCK, if reloading nuclear weapons is not at all a big problem? But why aren't they planning a supply of products for the crew for the same period? lol


    I look at us solid specialists here - they all know how, they all know, all this is not a problem for them! At least for a start, familiarize yourself with this topic, and then you will shine with eloquence ...
    1. Misantrop
      0
      2 October 2013 09: 48
      Quote: moreman78
      I look at us solid specialists here
      And "at you" is where? And what exactly is required to get acquainted with a complete set of construction documentation for a new project? Well, put it out, let's get acquainted
  17. +1
    1 October 2013 21: 28
    Comrades, I watched the news about the US budget, NASA goes on unpaid leave in the amount of 97% (???) of the staff, even I did not consider it that way? What kind of submarines can we talk about after that?
  18. 0
    1 October 2013 22: 07
    I still do not understand the idiots from the production of weapons! To hell with me, we residents of the ball, depending on a piece of shit flying in space is all this necessary? Something left to live until 2036, maybe until 2072? NO WHO WILL NOT WIN ANYONE !!! I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
  19. Army strong
    0
    2 October 2013 00: 01
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: Turbo 253
    and other innovative technologies, including new power plants, water generation and waste management systems.

    What is it ?? What fucking nonsense is that? Google translator into Russian amused from the heart! laughing


    Yes, and imagine how stupidly amuses Google translator from Russian to English
    I've translated your funny phrase:

    "The Google translator into Russian amused me from the bottom of my heart!"

    that's what happened:

    Google release of a Russian translator for fun from the heart!

    laughing laughing laughing laughing
  20. Army strong
    0
    2 October 2013 00: 08
    Quote: SHILO


    Who likes what video! what bully


    This is not a video. This is a computer toy. Forgot the name, Silent Hunter, something like that
  21. 0
    2 October 2013 00: 21
    Will the US Congress not accept the budget for 2014?
    And there you look and a technical foul with a public debt just around the corner.
    Over 1 million people have already gone on vacation. I am so wondering that 12-15 million mericatos would contain THEIR BEACHES. And let yourself sunbathe longer ...
  22. 0
    3 October 2013 14: 25
    Quote: GSH-18
    On Russian nuclear submarines, hatches are provided for this operation in the upper part of the hull, from where it is previously placed in a protective container (this operation is performed in the reactor compartment, everything is tight), the reactor fuel is unloaded with a special crane, and fresh is immediately loaded. There is no need to disassemble the case. If necessary, this operation can be performed at a regular pier. How to change on the US submarines, Backfire told us lol



    approx.
    we call things differently.
    dismantling of removable sheets / two - PB and LB / - is not there a partial analysis of the case? the sheets have a set of stamps, and this operation does not take two hours.
    and yes - I have not heard about the "need" to replace the active zone at the pier. I repent. on tf, all the old 675s / and not only / projects were overloaded in chazhma.

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