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"Shutting down" America

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As expected, the Republicans and Democrats in the United States did not manage to agree in time on the budget for the new fiscal year (came October 1). Republicans deliberately put sticks in the wheels of the Obama administration: the latter has already dropped its rating extremely low, and now, after hundreds of thousands of civil servants remain without salaries, Americans will remember Barak Hussein as the worst president at all times.


"Shutting down" America


In the US, national parks, museum and other cultural institutions will cease to operate. The president will be left without economic advisers, cooks, laundresses and even without personal protection. Soldiers and civilians working for the benefit of the Pentagon, a total of about 2,2 million will remain without salary (will be sent on unpaid leave). In the United States, only mail, weather forecasts, and national security agencies will function fully.

The reason for new differences between Republicans and Democrats in Congress was write "Vesti" with reference to ITAR-TASS, the presidential health insurance program. The fact is that Obama proposed to make medical insurance not only affordable, but also generally obligatory. Those who could already afford the services of a doctor considered that it was undesirable to pay for those in advance.

If we count on 1977 of the year, then funding for the work of the federal government in the USA was interrupted at least 17 times because of disagreements between the administration and Congress. The executive branch was left without money. The shortest non-cash gap was 3 days and the longest 21 day (from December 15 1995 to January 6 1996). By to other sourcesIn the days of Clinton, power sat without money for 28 days.

It is interesting that just B. Clinton believes that Obama cannot be inferior in this situation. “There are situations when there is no need to succumb to provocations,” сказал Clinton in an interview with television channel ABC. “To stop (the health insurance program) is now more expensive than letting the Republicans finish what they started, but leave the program.”

However, let us add on our own, Obama and the Democrats still have a chance to avoid default. After all, the Senate voted against the budget project of the administration, which means the return of the document for revision. At the same time, it is unlikely that the Republicans will lose on all counts. In addition to expanding his medical reform, Obama wants to once again raise the ceiling on public debt. Republicans, on the other hand, want to freeze the medical program, which received the name “Obamacare” by the people, but it is better to cancel it, and reduce government spending, and in the long run.

Obama told obstinate congressmen that they must adopt a budget, and speaking on TV, he called Republican behavior irresponsible.

To some extent this is the case.

As Ekaterina Mereminskaya writes (Gazeta.ru), Asian stock indexes fell by 2%, which was a reaction to the political crisis in the United States - to the “shutdown” that threatens the government.

Raising the national debt limit is a real stumbling block in Congress. The current limit will be reached on October 17, and in early November, the American state will have nothing to pay not only to employees, but already to creditors. Raise the national debt ceiling? What is easier in America? But Republicans want for this step the abolition of "Obamacare".

As indicated by the correspondent. "BBC" Kim Jittelson (New York), if Congress does not reach a compromise, the country's economy may collapse. In this case, her recovery will simply have to be forgotten.

Even if the budget is approved, it will be impossible to relax. The Minister of Finance has long been engaged in “creative accounting” in order to continue to pay off debts after the top level of 16,7 trillion national debt. dollars was exceeded in May.

It is known that the debt ceiling in the United States raised from the year 1960 raised 78 times. But in the last three years, the correspondent reports. "BBC" Republicans use this very "ceiling" as a tool to influence the negotiations.

Today this problem has not been solved: before, the parties only found short-term compromises, not a solution. Now that October 1 was to take effect in a substantial part of Obama’s health care reform, Republicans are pushing wheels into the White House.

Most analysts, said Kim Jittelson, believe that the House of Representatives and the Senate will still approve a three-month law on the financing of federal agencies. But what about the debt ceiling? Previously, the United States never declared a default on debts. Such a move could lead to instability of the entire world market.

Earlier this, as Nathaniel Popper writes ("New York Times"), warned Ben Bernanke, the head of the Fed.

At the September 18 press conference, he stated that the conflict over the budget could worsen the situation: “I think that the government shutdown (and perhaps even more so, the inability to raise the debt limit) could have very serious consequences for financial markets and for the economy, as well as for the policies of the Federal Reserve System, which takes all the actions that allow the economic course to be maintained. ”

Latest budget news transmitted from the morning of October 1 (meaning American morning) channel "NDTV".

Hopes that the shutdown of the US government will not happen, died at the last minute. The White House refused to “surrender” its medical program and ordered government agencies to begin closing. What are the consequences for the economy?

For example, a three-week “shutdown” may lead to a slowdown in economic growth in October-December 2013 to the percentage point 0,9 (Goldman Sachs estimate).

If the national debt ceiling is not raised, the consequences will be truly catastrophic. The government will probably have to cut spending on 32% immediately, as estimated by the Center for Bipartisan Policy. The government can skip the interest payments on treasury bonds, which will cause the first in stories country state default. But the US Treasury bonds, the channel reminds, are in banks, governments and people all over the planet. Therefore, a long default can lead to a global financial crisis.

On the topic of the coming American and global crisis, he argued in "New York Times" and Paul Krugman.

The default of the US government, which happens if Congress does not raise the debt ceiling in the near future, could lead to a financial catastrophe, the economist writes. Unfortunately, many Republicans either do not understand this, or do not think about it.

Yes, there was a "shutdown" before - under Clinton, between 1995 and 1996 years. And many observers have concluded that it is not so scary. This is partly true, the author says, but it is important to note that under Clinton, "shutdown" occurred against the backdrop of a rapidly growing economy. Today the USA has a weak economy, the author reminds. Therefore, the "off" can be a strong blow, especially if it lasts a long time. However, “switching off” is a trifle compared to what happens if Congress refuses to raise the national debt ceiling.

Immediate cuts in government spending will almost certainly plunge America back into recession. In addition, the inability to raise the ceiling will lead to the omission of payments on the existing debt of the government. And this is fraught with terrible consequences.

Financial markets have long been fed on US bonds. These papers have always been considered safe assets. The assumption that America will always pay its debts is the foundation on which the global financial system rests.

The mere assumption that US bonds will lose reliability means a violation of this entire system. Such a default will create a huge financial crisis, before which, the economist writes, will fade the crisis associated with the "Lehman Brothers" five years ago.

According to Krugman, no sensible political system would take such a risk. But we, he writes, do not have a sensible political system, we have a system in which a significant number of Republicans believe that they can force President Obama to cancel health care reform, threatening the government with "shutdown" or default, or both.

Arguments about the politics and economics of these people Krugman calls "delusional."

Republican radicals, he notes with irony, generally oppose scientific consensus on climate change. Also, many of them reject the theory of evolution. How can you expect from these people that they will believe the experts, warning of the danger of default?

As for politics, then sensible people know that Obama cannot allow anyone to blackmail himself - and this is not only a matter of health care reform. To yield to people who threaten to blow up the world economy is about the same as giving up the Constitution. But the Republican radicals still insist that Mr. Obama will bend under their demands.

Paul Krugman knows what will end the fuss.

Who pulled the country into economic chaos? Wall Street. Who will save the country? Wall Street. This is the most likely answer. Big money, Krugman writes, will indicate to Republican leaders that it’s time to put an end to the “nonsense”.

In conclusion, the economist and the Nobel laureate notes with bitterness that insanity lies not in the current situation, but in the minds of politicians and those who voted for them.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 October 2013 08: 06
    +3
    All of them to sunbathe on the beaches, and the longer the better.
    Not all the merikatos around the world poke their fingers and keep an eye on where else they can extol their "nation".
    Let them fast.
    1. vadimus
      vadimus 2 October 2013 08: 12
      13
      Nodo still hide the fuses from the switch for some time. Let the "light-bearing" sit in the dark .....
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 2 October 2013 09: 07
        +6
        Quote: vadimus
        Nodo still hide the fuses from the switch for some time. Let the “light-bearing” sit in the dark

        It's funny, but in what place if all their places are "frontal"? wink
        And what kind of switches are they provided with fuses?

        Here are the wires to cut off and the "substation" to EdreneFena to swing and I think it will be more productive.
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 2 October 2013 19: 56
        0
        Quote: vadimus
        Nodo still hide the fuses from the switch for some time. Let the "light-bearing" sit in the dark .....


        ... without light laughing . I agree, it is desirable to simply remove the switch physically along with the wiring. Can be replaced by a self-destruct button.
      3. Baemaley99
        Baemaley99 3 October 2013 22: 00
        0
        You wanted to say: "LIGHT-BEARING or LIGHT-BEARING" And as you know, Luminous was the name of the archangel. He is also known as Lucifer.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 4 October 2013 10: 23
          0
          Quote: Baemaley99
          He is also known as Lucifer.

          So well intentioned ...
          Just the road to him and paved laughing
    2. MG42
      MG42 2 October 2013 08: 12
      11
      Raising the national debt limit is a real stumbling block in Congress. The current limit will be reached on October 17, and in early November, the American state will have nothing to pay not only to employees, but already to creditors. Raise the national debt ceiling? What is easier in America? But Republicans want for this step the abolition of "Obamacare".

      Such a story has been and more than once you just dig in the news archive ..
      Take news for 2011 year with the same president, in the arena the same >>
      US President Barack Obama once again called on Republicans and Democrats in Congress to agree on a single plan that would raise the state debt limit by August 2011, XNUMX and at the same time begin to gradually reduce the budget deficit.
      The US Congress and the White House have less than four days left to agree on the next increase in the state borrowing limit, which was set by lawmakers at around $ 14,29 trillion in February 2010. The federal government’s debt already exceeds this figure (a small part of the obligations of the US Treasury does not falls under the official limit). The US Treasury has repeatedly warned that if Congress does not act, it will not be able to fully service its debt obligations starting on August 2011, XNUMX.


      http://news.finance.ua/ru/~/1/2011/07/30/246788

      The secret is that the United States owns itself, owning the printing press of the world’s reserve currency dollar, at least formally the Fed is a private shop, and they shove green papers into reserves around the world using the same IMF headquarters in the states, the World Bank and other offices ..

      They will raise the bar more than once, until ...
      1. MG42
        MG42 2 October 2013 08: 27
        +7
        Here the US debt in real time is 16 trillion. 743 billion dollars and the numbers are growing, you can watch >>

        http://www.abird.ru/articles/USA_debt
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 2 October 2013 15: 25
          +4
          My favorite counter. http://www.usdebtclock.org/ there are other countries there, including and Russia.
      2. domokl
        domokl 2 October 2013 08: 31
        +7
        Quote: MG42
        The secret is that the United States occupies on its own, owning a printing press of the dollar of the world reserve currency, at least formally the Fed is a private shop,

        That’s the secret of the Open. Americans seem to be borrowing nothing from anyone, but they are substituting the dollar as the world currency. Therefore, in my opinion, those economists who predict economic chaos and catastrophe are right. The world is not yet ready to give up the dollar . as much as we would not like
        1. MG42
          MG42 2 October 2013 08: 41
          +6
          Quote: domokl
          The world is not yet ready to give up the dollar. As much as we would not like

          And what is the alternative to the dollar today, the euro? so we all watched how the events in Greece reflected on how the currency was feverish and how much effort it took Germany and most importantly money to put out the fire ..
          Quote: domokl
          Therefore, in my opinion, those economists who predict economic chaos and catastrophe are right.

          on the dollar and so the pyramid is depicted, everything goes according to the scenario ..
          all-seeing eye = masonic symbols ..total time ..
        2. Very old
          Very old 2 October 2013 17: 28
          0
          Unfortunately, you are right. Gaddafi paid for this with his life. And how all sarkozy and others kissed him .. But it was BEFORE
      3. Papakiko
        Papakiko 2 October 2013 09: 20
        +2
        Quote: MG42
        They will raise the bar more than once, until ..

        In This is the whole performance that they drive water in a mortar.
        Regulated-regulated Emergency Balanced Budget and Deficit Control Act (Graham-Rudman-Hollings Act). And in all, the upper bar of US government debt since 1940 has risen about a hundred times.
        This is my hint about music and by no means five minute understandable, I hope.
    3. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 2 October 2013 09: 37
      0
      Got Game!
      - the first wave has gone. We are waiting for the next one, I hope it will be even worse
      Quote: aszzz888
      for some time. Let the “light-bearing” sit in the dark
      1. hommer
        hommer 2 October 2013 10: 16
        10
        The consequences of the cessation of funding for government departments were often the most unexpected. For example, in Washington in 1995, garbage was not cleaned for several days, since funds were not allocated for this purpose. In addition, national parks and state museums were closed. According to the Congressional Research Service, the total damage to the economy was $ 1,4 billion. In the 1990s, the United States could afford relatively small losses amid the economic boom, but in 2013 the situation changed.

        Quote: LaGlobal
        Got Game! - the first wave has gone. We are waiting for the next one, I hope it will be even worse



        The last wave should be like that ...
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 2 October 2013 12: 09
          0
          Quote: hommer
          In the 1990s, the United States could afford relatively small losses amid the economic boom, but in 2013 the situation changed.

          Do you expect them to eat themselves?
          You can go to the bookmaker office and bet that the bar will be raised and money will flow and the machine will print.
          The mattress covers have not reached the handle yet.
          Under Reagan, their public debt was at the level of 120 with something% to the level of GDP.
          Last year, only 100% of GDP was equal.
          For a couple of years of dancing, they still have enough of it, that's for sure.
          And there it will be seen where the "American dream" will lead.
        2. Grigorich 1962
          Grigorich 1962 3 October 2013 13: 28
          0
          it’s a pleasure to look at the picture .... khe .... a pleasure .... not to take your eyes off .... khe
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 October 2013 04: 14
      +1
      it is during "crises" that the states arrange another war, and things are straightened out, and the people are distracted ...
  2. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 2 October 2013 08: 07
    +4
    And at the same time, we are talking about the omnipotent printing press of the United States ...
    Looks like the machine is not so omnipotent ...
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 2 October 2013 08: 33
      +1
      those who put cons want to argue that the sequestration of the military budget, and now the suspension of funding for civil servants - is this fiction?
      Where is the logic? Where is the printing press?
  3. 128mgb
    128mgb 2 October 2013 08: 08
    +7
    All these battles are not worth a damn. Circus and only.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 2 October 2013 08: 11
      +9
      quote-In the US, national parks, museum and other cultural institutions will stop working. The president will be left without economic advisers, cooks, laundresses, and even without personal protection.


      the infographics I have presented disclose this issue in more detail.
      1. Very old
        Very old 2 October 2013 17: 32
        0
        Small, I couldn't even see the plus. I know one thing: the PR "economy" of the Bel.dom does not convince
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 3 October 2013 02: 18
          0
          Right click on the picture, then look at the plus.
    2. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 2 October 2013 08: 12
      +1
      Quote: 128mgb
      All these battles are not worth a damn. Circus and only.

      How to say...
      The battle is mainly due to the presidential health program.
      Is it worth recalling what howl rose on this forum when Russian officials put forward a proposal not to provide free medical care to chronic unemployed ... But here the conversation is not even about unemployed! Here is a conversation about working citizens.
      And if the first world economy had significant difficulties on this issue and even the printing press did not save, then what about the Russian economy?

      So this is not such a simple question.
      And if we take into account the consequences of the fact that civil servants are left without financing, and here also recall the extensive bankruptcy of cities in the United States, we can conclude that The US is already in fact a bankrupt state.
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 2 October 2013 08: 36
        +2
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        And if the first economy of the world had significant difficulties on this issue and even the printing press did not save

        The printing press was created not to scribble papers for health care, but in order to earn money on immies!
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        The US is already in fact a bankrupt state

        Like all the so-called "leading" economies of the world and for a very long time!
        And all this window dress is really a CIRCUS, so I agree with a friend 128mgb
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 2 October 2013 08: 38
          0
          Quote: Sibiryak
          The printing press was not created to scribble papers for health care, but in order to to earn money on immiesy!

          What to do? Earn? those. is this the correct word in this case?

          The all-inclusive growth of public debt, the reduction of military spending, the suspension of government funding - these are "earn"?
          I know what a "US printing press" is and why it is needed, but now it is somehow silly to even say the word "earn". Now the right words are "To stay afloat".
          And the main question is "how long?" to stay afloat...
          1. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 2 October 2013 09: 09
            -1
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            I know what a "US printing press" is and why it is needed, but now it is somehow silly to even say the word "earn".

            If you know what it is, why did you get that denyuzhki earned by the United States of America, I am not this state and not the state as a whole meant!
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            Now the right words are "Stay afloat." And the main question is "for how long?" to stay afloat...

            Therefore, all this is called the CIRCUS, last year, too, there was noise to the ceiling and everything was smeared with American snot about raising the level of public debt, and what ???! And nothing, it’s been lifted for the three hundredth time (exaggerated of course) and will be lifted until bankers and other gifted individuals come up with the most profitable option of going into the shadows, so as not to remain without a head (for example, God forbid, they will arrange a war game).
      2. MG42
        MG42 2 October 2013 09: 07
        +1
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        The US is already in fact a bankrupt state.

        Too loud a statement. They only have a credit rating reduced from AAA to AA + ..
        Unless their national debt now exceeded the nominal GDP in 2012 was 15,811 trillion. dale USA

        The share of US GDP in global statistics was different in different times. For example, in 1800, it amounted to 2% of the global economy. In 1900, US states already had 10% of global GDP. In the last years of World War II (1945), the United States accounted for more than 50% of global GDP, which was explained by the great destruction that at that time was in Europe and other countries of the world. However, by the end of the 1960s, the US share had declined to 26,7% and since then has continued to remain at that level. True, in recent years, a decrease in the share of US GDP in the world economy and a gradual increase in the share of China are expected.

        As for the division of GDP by sectors of the economy, the service sector in the United States accounts for 79,6% of the country's GDP. Industry - 19,2%. Agriculture - 1,2%.

        http://www.amerika.org.ua/usa/e02.htm
        Bankruptcy rate is ..
        C - the issuer is experiencing serious difficulties with payments on debt obligations, a bankruptcy procedure may have been initiated, but payments on debt obligations are still being made.
        SD - the issuer has refused payments on certain obligations.
        D - A default was announced and S&P believes that the issuer will refuse to pay on most or all obligations.

        Ie, from AA + to D it’s far away ..
        1. 31231
          31231 2 October 2013 09: 26
          +4
          And some here set America as an advanced country as an example. But in fact, a herd of consumers.
          1. MG42
            MG42 2 October 2013 09: 32
            0
            Quote: 31231
            And some here set America as an advanced country as an example. But in fact, a herd of consumers.

            IT companies = is it a service industry or production? but take a bold piece for example ..
            1. 31231
              31231 2 October 2013 10: 18
              +1
              Hard to say. All the same, software can be considered a product, not a service. On the other hand, facebook and tweeters where to attribute ?! It seems like a service to the public.
              1. MG42
                MG42 2 October 2013 10: 29
                +2
                Quote: 31231
                Hard to say.

                These are information technology services, in the share of the us gdp capacious financial, legal services and in the field of real estate rent sale ... The structure of the US GDP for 2008 diagram >>
                1. 31231
                  31231 2 October 2013 11: 56
                  0
                  And in software what kind of software?
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 2 October 2013 12: 34
                    +2
                    The namesake, you’re an engineer, at times the chief, must understand where the flies are, where the patties, even though the avatar is so funny ..
                2. MolGro
                  MolGro 2 October 2013 16: 31
                  +2
                  interesting picture))
                  Very small share of production.
                  Mainly services and fraud in the housing markets.
                3. Selevc
                  Selevc 2 October 2013 20: 23
                  +1
                  Interesting schedule - it turns out that in America’s GDP, rental and sale of real estate is 13% and total production is 5 + 6 = 11% !!!
                  And what kind of gross product does say healthcare produce? And what is Government - is it that the government also creates some kind of gross product?
                  And is this the world's first economy? Then where does this world go? :))) If this schedule is even a little truthful, then America has long been living off fairy tales and legends !!!
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 2 October 2013 22: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: Selevc
                    An interesting chart - it turns out that in America’s GDP, rental and sale of real estate is 13%

                    It’s time to understand that the United States is really different in terms of the GDP structure, it’s obvious, here the Sovdep model naturally doesn’t fit, we need to figure it out ..
                    Quote: Selevc
                    And what kind of gross product does say healthcare produce?

                    As far as I understand, healthcare is not just expensive there, but very expensive and without insurance it is not realistic to be treated, of course, clinics earn money and pay taxes to the budget, everything is the opposite with the state. clinics and free medicine was formally so ..
                    Quote: Selevc
                    And what is Government

                    Obviously, the government here generates cash flows to the Pentagon, NASA, etc.

                    Considering the structure of its GDP, we can clearly say that US GDP is formed mainly due to the non-industrial sector of the economy, its orientation towards the production of financial services is clearly visible, and in terms of industry it is the production of high-tech products. Almost 70% of GDP is formed at the expense of own population and their expenses.

                    those. focus on a capacious domestic market, not export .. http: //ref.rushkolnik.ru/v54002/
                    for 2007
  4. svp67
    svp67 2 October 2013 08: 10
    +4
    Whether we want it or not, the American economy still occupies a dominant place in the world and all its shocks affect the global economy, including ours ... Therefore, it’s time to somehow conduct work in which our economy will not be so sensitive to such shocks, because we have everything for this ...
  5. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 2 October 2013 08: 20
    +4
    I remember the words of Zhirinovsky: "As the clairvoyant Vanga said, the last American president will be black."
    1. labendik
      labendik 2 October 2013 08: 29
      +3
      You can not rejoice. These are only inter-party games and purely internal affairs. And it will most likely only benefit the United States. It’s a pity we don’t have real political competition, nothing good, in the end, it definitely does not lead to.
    2. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 3 October 2013 13: 30
      0
      I would like to believe in it !!!!
  6. mivmim
    mivmim 2 October 2013 08: 36
    +3
    I was really happy, America was turned off. It turns out for a while, but it's a pity.))))))))))))))
  7. PDM80
    PDM80 2 October 2013 08: 38
    +2
    Not really started fellow Pah-pah to keep an eye out good
  8. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 2 October 2013 08: 45
    12
    We wait until the 17th, only two weeks, and there we can become witnesses of an epoch-making event:
    1. albert
      albert 2 October 2013 19: 29
      0
      I don’t think that the world will be particularly upset. Yes, by the way there was news that Uncle TOM Klensi threw his skates away. It is a pity that he will not see the end of America, which he sang so much.
  9. morpogr
    morpogr 2 October 2013 08: 58
    +1
    Has it really begun, an interesting time is coming. We are waiting for the next part of the Marleson ballet.
  10. Stiletto
    Stiletto 2 October 2013 09: 05
    +7
    I propose to Barack Obama to launch rocket fire at his own congress. For starters, you can find chemical weapons in it. The US military, half of whom are currently sitting without a salary, I think, will not mind. And what? Good. And the world is calm, and the States will be at their favorite thing laughing
    1. PDM80
      PDM80 2 October 2013 09: 12
      +4
      Yes, there is nothing to look for, Makein is assigned to a terrible peddler of moronity, and to destroy the hearth so that it does not spread more wassat
  11. Korben
    Korben 2 October 2013 09: 12
    +2
    For those who clap their hands - in the event of the US financial crisis, "joy" will backfire on each of us! So let them solve their internal political issues as soon as possible! And they will solve them, be sure!
    It's like rejoicing in someone else's misfortune - not smart and not beautiful! There are also ordinary citizens who are far from politics and world intrigues!
  12. morpogr
    morpogr 2 October 2013 09: 12
    +4
    It is necessary for the Indians to quickly orient themselves and create their own state, they now have a real opportunity to return their land and cheaply. And we recognize their sovereignty.
  13. erased
    erased 2 October 2013 09: 17
    +3
    But it would be interesting to calculate how much money the Russian Federation is now in the USA and Europe! The stabilization fund and other means. After all, they work for the States, not Russia. Why are they not taken from there? Unprofitable? Or banned?
    1. HollyGremlin
      HollyGremlin 2 October 2013 11: 16
      +2
      I also had the following thought: to pick up the first as in MMM (whoever took the first and saved the money)
      1. To take money from US banks, dollars, securities, the question is where to put these cars?
      2. The economy does not immediately digest such a large flow.
      3. In euros - not an option, also not reliable.
      4. In rubles + oil to sell for rubles, - as a result, the ruble will jump sharply and high and the khan of competitiveness of our goods.
      5. It seems to me that there is certainly one way out - without hesitation to buy products for all capital (primarily at their enterprises) to the eyeballs, factory equipment, heavy. cars, cranes ... then abroad.
      Of course, all options are risky, so everyone (not only we pull) while the US pays its debts.
      1. erased
        erased 2 October 2013 11: 41
        0
        This idea would be for implementation! I’m only afraid that they won’t be allowed to do this. Who! We look towards the Kremlin. They are waiting for the permission of the States.
        1. HollyGremlin
          HollyGremlin 2 October 2013 12: 28
          +1
          I think the Kremlin here is not a dog of the states, but rather porridge with dried fruits: To take money in this way you need to act quickly and very abruptly, because there are banks and the government and the president and many others: it’s impossible to come to an agreement with everyone.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 2 October 2013 16: 22
      0
      Quote: erased
      Why are they not taken from there? Unprofitable? Or banned?

      Another thing is interesting - why does the Stabilization Fund exist, if not to cover the budget deficit that has been drawn today, and which they are going to level out by cutting social spending?
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 7 October 2013 15: 29
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Another thing is interesting - why does the Stabilization Fund exist, if not to cover the budget deficit that has been drawn today, and which they are going to level out by cutting social spending?


        It’s like Kudrin’s scissors, until they kept up with the oil growth and cut off much less profit from the oligarchs, everyone in the government said that if oil was cheapened, everything would be the other way around. Bets as entered late, and will be canceled. Oil began to get cheaper - the scissors canceled the profit.
  14. 31231
    31231 2 October 2013 09: 20
    -1
    The budget will be accepted. Hope without Obamacare. It’s time for US citizens to live within their means. And the Republicans are taking the right step. If only Obama's shobla would go to their demand and not get puffed up.
    In general, the states will default early. When their economy falls by 30 percent. Then it is possible to destroy this fin. the pyramid.
  15. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 2 October 2013 09: 22
    +5
    Circus, and nothing more. The usual confrontation between Republicans and Democrats. Only the circus is not funny. It will be bad for everyone: for the Americans and others if the big bubble called "America" ​​bursts.
  16. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 2 October 2013 09: 29
    0
    Of course the states are well settled. No matter how much money is missing, they will still print. No problems.
    And an immodest question: did all go on vacation without pay? Including the president and the army?
  17. vadson
    vadson 2 October 2013 09: 35
    +2
    such a moment cannot be missed. Ameram will not be up to us now. Vvp ay, the government on the rack and urgently deal with the problems of the people
  18. regdan
    regdan 2 October 2013 09: 37
    +1
    Yes there will be nothing terrible. They kill a couple of hundreds of thousands of Americans and calm down.
  19. serjant4
    serjant4 2 October 2013 09: 40
    0
    so hard times began in americosia ... "sympathize", smiling :)
  20. Alikovo
    Alikovo 2 October 2013 09: 44
    0
    It’s a pity that not a trip.
  21. ars_pro
    ars_pro 2 October 2013 09: 54
    0
    As always, the most vile poop should be expected from the Americans, will the authorities leave now right? and at that time babknut somewhere under their secret auspices as from the script of a Hollywood movie, that would be so on a grand scale, but they kind of like nothing to do with, like they were on vacation.
  22. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 2 October 2013 10: 02
    +3
    But the markets are calm. If the money bags are calm, then everything will be fine.
  23. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 2 October 2013 10: 07
    +5
    Quote: Korben
    For those who clap their hands - in the event of the US financial crisis, "joy" will backfire on each of us! So let them solve their internal political issues as soon as possible! And they will solve them, be sure!
    It's like rejoicing in someone else's misfortune - not smart and not beautiful! There are also ordinary citizens who are far from politics and world intrigues!

    If you knew how happy they were when the traitors sold them our homeland to you. They did not feel sorry for us, the Soviet people.
  24. major071
    major071 2 October 2013 10: 16
    10
    Today is only the first day. I think that in 2-3 of the day everything will settle down. Agree among themselves. As in one old parable or padish, he will die or the donkey will speak.
  25. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 2 October 2013 10: 17
    0
    What to do? Not Barak Hussein, so the next president will have to do something with the national debt, see this "ancestral curse" will be passed from one owner of the White House to another. Do you want to become president? Please, but in addition take the inheritance in the form of a debt in size nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnn .... It’s interesting to at least see how the Americans get out.
  26. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 2 October 2013 10: 35
    +3
    That would have been Obama bombed in Syria and the budget would have gone whistling. So Paul Krugman is right in saying:
    the craziness lies not in the current situation, but in the minds of politicians and those who voted for them.
  27. Nymp
    Nymp 2 October 2013 10: 39
    0
    In my personal conviction, "raising the ceiling of the national debt" is disgusting that only amersky obese brain is capable of. Let me not borrow money from someone, and then instead of paying off my debts, I will raise the "ceiling"! Why does the whole of Geyropa tolerate this - it is understandable, but there are other non-Gayropeans who have not infected everyone with color revolutions yet?
  28. Bezarius
    Bezarius 2 October 2013 10: 53
    +1
    Fun, fun, if now the RF + China conspires and together withdraws their money from the USA ... then there will be such an economic storm that even if the ceiling is raised, it will not save them :) Essno needs to be done before they decide to raise it or not raising the ceiling.
  29. Altona
    Altona 2 October 2013 10: 54
    +3
    For some reason, only "comrades" are catching up on the national debt, and ordinary employees have to pay for it with administrative leaves and voluntary-forced labor ... As if they have the opportunity to earn some money somewhere or live on bribes like superiors ... the labor of low-paid clerks? Can this economy help ease the lump of national debt?
    1. Scorpio
      Scorpio 2 October 2013 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      only "comrades" are catching up on the national debt, and ordinary employees must pay for it

      Drive such governments in the neck. The state should look for ways to provide people with a decent life and not think about how to save on them. Right now, 6% of the funded part of the pension will be removed to everyone who does not write a pension application and the state has again saved people.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 2 October 2013 16: 28
      0
      Quote: Altona
      voluntary forced labor ...
      monthly slave labor

      US law prohibits work if you are not paid laughing
  30. os9165
    os9165 2 October 2013 11: 08
    +1
    In any case, the United States will look good based on the share of gold in the national currency reserves of Russia and US-74.5, we have 9.1 percent. And the amount of money in circulation is 153 versus 792 and reserve assets of monetary regulation 411.8 versus 66.6 (not secured with gold) in Russia and the USA, in billions of dollars (2008) Now the gap is wider. Don’t look, we’re in F-PE, and what’s most interesting, you can see with the naked eye that we are puppets and can only relax to get more pleasure. WE will pay for their debts.
  31. Scorpio
    Scorpio 2 October 2013 11: 09
    +3
    Kakby Medvedev-Ulyukaev-Serdyukov also did not lead us
  32. IRBIS
    IRBIS 2 October 2013 11: 22
    +1
    Well, they are there now for some time "wandering around", for the sake of appearance and the creation of an image intact, and then everyone will accept. For Obaia, this is the end of his political career as a failed president. Someone will earn points for the future. Nothing special - just business. The consequences of this show off in the world do not interest them at all, they have a dollar. The intensification of the crisis in Europe against the background of the market collapse is only in their hands. So everything goes according to plan.
  33. GUSAR
    GUSAR 2 October 2013 11: 22
    +2
    The author contradicts himself, on the one hand everything is America's tryndets, on the other he himself writes that this has happened many times, and about the fact that America is over, let's talk when it really ends, and so all this is talk about nothing , although I certainly understand that in this case I really want to wishful thinking
  34. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 2 October 2013 11: 38
    +4
    before Jewish bankers fucked America, it really was a great country. And then a few beautiful manipulations - a little crisis, a little war, a lot of all kinds of freebies .. and oops - the Americans are so lazy that even realizing the perversity of their "way of life" they no longer want to do anything - their brains are swollen with fat, and not so much then the hunt to understand and admit - that they are just sheep on the slaughter of the Fed, like the whole world.
  35. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 2 October 2013 11: 59
    +3
    Bullshit. Again raise the level of credit.
  36. No_more
    No_more 2 October 2013 14: 19
    0
    It is a pity the little analysts about the motives behind this political blackmail for canceling health care reform. The message that the evil and stupid Republican radicals are stubborn is good for children or fools. Someone living comfortably on the current health care system "cut off the oxygen" now lobbying their interests congressmen.
    Total: on the one hand, those who make money on the current health care system, on the other, Obama, who needs to change an ineffective system that does not satisfy the majority of the population, and he promised this before the election.
    It will not reach default, because lobbying is lobbying, but there are no financial suicide bombers in the US among congressmen. So Obama will only need to hold out.

    Comments like "Khan USA hurray!" and others with this attitude. It is worth remembering the fact that at the moment the economy of the overwhelming majority of countries is very much connected with the well-being of the United States (it was banal more profitable and more convenient until recently) and in the event of a default of this state, including Russia, will be in a very bad situation. This is a fact at the moment.
  37. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 2 October 2013 14: 39
    0
    Quote: No_more
    Still surprising comments like Khan USA cheers! and others with this attitude.

    Agree that now the United States lives at the expense of others (in principle, like many, but they are very striking, sometimes you get the impression that they are even proud of it). In my opinion, now the position is changing from "we live well, we will feed the United States more, so as not to lose our" to "they have already tortured them, there are enough of our problems, and to feed these parasites, no, now we will all swim in one vat." But this process is very slow, influenced by the political weather, regional conflicts and much more. So, apparently, this American rubber band will drag on for another 5 years.
  38. Forest
    Forest 2 October 2013 16: 00
    0
    This event is natural because in the United States, Democrats are at the helm, who "have no nationality" and serve the supranational government.
  39. No_more
    No_more 2 October 2013 16: 05
    +1
    Quote: HollyGremlin
    Agree that now the United States lives at the expense of others

    I agree and I agree with the supplement. I just want to avoid the substitution of concepts, by tying the image of the enemy to geography. Public opinion is inert and loves vivid images that are easy to concentrate on. The problem is not in the USA, the problem is in the politics of the world elites (those who own resources of one or another) and I want people to understand this. Just as they would understand that the economic and political system is usually united and global, and therefore large-scale changes affect everyone, wherever they occur.
    1. HollyGremlin
      HollyGremlin 2 October 2013 17: 45
      +1
      The problem in the world titans, no doubt. But even those who understand this are not interested in what they will be chemical there.
      1. The people are afraid of war and those who are stronger.
      2. He is indifferent to the problems of equals, the weak - sympathy, the strong - joy. Now, if the US collapses, then in 10 years everyone will sympathize with them and say: "As we understand you, we went through the same thing, we will help as much as we can."
      3. Until they came up with a way to influence the titans. Therefore, they swear at the one who is closer and more understandable.
  40. s_eight
    s_eight 2 October 2013 16: 36
    0
    "-That would come up with a copier that printed bucks .. And print, how many hosh!
    -Or come up with a time machine. Buy a fake "Montana" Chinese watch, go back 25 years, sell them and buy dallars at 62 kop / piece. Then go back and that's it, it's done.

    - Is this clear. Gentlemen, deputies, what other proposals will there be for filling the budget? "
  41. andruha70
    andruha70 2 October 2013 18: 12
    0
    "Shutting down" America
    it's high time ... and hang a tablet: don't turn it on, I'll kill it ... am
  42. Cynic
    Cynic 2 October 2013 18: 37
    +2
    Is it the first time?
    Bred, bred and will still breed all for a long time.
  43. Cynic
    Cynic 2 October 2013 18: 38
    0
    Is it the first time?
    Bred, bred and will still breed all for a long time.
  44. My doctor
    My doctor 2 October 2013 18: 43
    -3
    I repeat.
    Everything that is done with American money is paid for by World resources. And it doesn’t matter what kind of resources, whether raw materials, labor, or intellectual resources, but all willfully are not voluntarily invested in the supremacy of a higher nation. Do not forget that American dollars are the world currency and there is no alternative to it.
    (even among drag metals crying)
  45. kci
    kci 2 October 2013 19: 01
    +1
    I am an optimist ;-) reign of heaven to the states
  46. Arkan
    Arkan 2 October 2013 19: 16
    +1
    The soap bubble of the speculative American economy burst, and everyone is trying to pump it up again. They make us doomsday. And who's scared? Yes, those very organisms that profit from the printing of candy wrappers. Nah .... Xia America, that Russia will have fewer resources? For me, it would be better if all this green husk flew around soon.
  47. Bosk
    Bosk 2 October 2013 19: 35
    +1
    That the Russian obscenities will explain something to the American, not to discuss the discussion ...
  48. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 3 October 2013 13: 35
    0
    everything goes to complete world chaos ..... in the yard autumn ...... winter promises chilling ...... again there were floods .... but we need to survive anyway !! .... and then bring your own .... in this fucking pro-Western world .... the Russian order ...