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Reflections on the Eurasian Union

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Two years ago (October 3 2011 of the year), Vladimir Putin, being at that time in the position of Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, published an article in which he conducted discussions about the possibility of creating a certain territorial association, which Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus are able to enter, and this union could would become, according to Putin, one of the poles of the modern world. The new territorial association of the then Russian prime minister in the article referred to the Eurasian Union (EAU), declaring that in the future, the close integration of the mentioned states would allow all to achieve economic well-being together, and a quote from "civilizational progress".


Reflections on the Eurasian Union


The Eurasian Union itself, despite the fact that the name “economic” often appeared in its name, since the beginning of Vladimir Putin’s first ideas on this subject, was positioned far from only as an economic association. The union was also endowed with common political, military and other interests, with the absence of customs barriers and sectoral unification. At the same time, the status of all states that can enter it was defined a priori as sovereign - with their own independent authorities delegating representatives to the single “brain center” of the Eurasian Union.

Since the publication of the publication of Vladimir Putin, as already mentioned, it has been almost two years. What happened during this time in relation to the thesis on the creation of the Eurasian Union has changed (not counting the fact that Putin changed the premiership status to the status of the president of Russia), at what stage is the construction of the EAU is, and is there a future for such a territorial-economic-military-political alliance States in the post-Soviet space?

On the one hand, it may seem that everything is going according to plan: there is a Customs Union, joint military exercises on its territory are being held, reconciliation of political positions, for example, in Syria, is present, the presidents of the Russian Federation, the Republic of Belarus and the Republic of Kazakhstan meet quite often positive wave discuss various issues.

However, this process, like any other, has a downside. It lies in the fact that there is a set of objective realities against which, as they say, you will not trample. One of such realities is the inability of most of the territorial associations of the world to exist and develop on the basis of full sovereignty and equality. At any moment of the integration process, there will definitely be someone (as a whole state or as the head of such a state), who will implicitly begin to bring his own territorial, political, economic and other segments to the fore. Moreover, this desire to “be a little ahead” often appears on the basis of a combination of other equally objective realities. It's like in a normal court, where the majority are comrades, but among them there is necessarily one who is stronger, one who is richer and one who is more cunning. For the time being, the comradely component prevails, but a black cat can run at any time (she can run, or someone can throw it), and then, usually, it begins ...

It is noteworthy that in the case of the Eurasian Union, the very beginning of the formation of this union began with a certain incident. At the time of putting forward the idea of ​​close integration between the three states in 2011, this idea was supported in Russia by about 54% of the population, in Belarus about 44%, in Kazakhstan - a little more than 52%. The number of people who expressed their categorical rejection of this kind of integration, according to opinion polls, accounted for about 19% of the total number of respondents in three states. The rest were either “rather for”, or “rather against”, or simply refrained from answering. The incident was that within two days after the publication of the very article of Vladimir Putin in October 2011 of the year, the number of supporters of the idea in Belarus and Kazakhstan began to decline. In Belarus, the number of supporters of integration with Russia, according to the statistical services, generally fell below the number of supporters of European integration (today these figures are at about the same level). The reason for the fall in popularity of the idea was the statement by the Putin press service, which stated that Moscow is in favor of creating a single issuing center of the EAU with the simultaneous introduction of a single currency.

Of course, the press service led by Dmitry Peskov did not declare that the ruble should certainly become the single currency, and that the single emission center would be located in the Russian Federation, but this neighbors understood this message. In the Belarusian and Kazakh press, especially in the Internet publications of that time, there was a heated discussion about the fact that the Eurasian Union is Putin’s idea, according to which he is going to get control over the neighboring states, spreading his influence. The Belarusian and Kazakh authorities, too, to put it mildly, took the words about a single currency and a single issuing center with little enthusiasm, which led to a kind of information campaign to counteract Russia's “economic expansion”.

Obviously, the Russian authorities realized that the single currency and other “single” things for the EAU were a little early, they had to play back, using the words that if the joint work proceeds in a constructive and energetic manner, the EAU features can take shape already by 2015 year.

Let's try to dwell on the new thesis of Vladimir Putin - on the implementation of the idea of ​​creating the EAU before 2015. And having stopped, we immediately face the question: how much can the Eurasian Economic Union really appear on the world map in less than a year or so?

Theoretically can. But in what form? The fact is that if the EAU starts to translate into reality as a kind of analogue, for example, of the European Union, in the end, you still have to discuss the issue of the emission center and the creation of a single currency. There is a so-called supranational single emission center in the European Union (in the part that is usually called the “eurozone”), which the European Parliament can theoretically influence, and in practice a narrow group of states (Germany and France). If we assume that the Eurasian Union will also begin to create a supranational center for the issuance of financial resources (CEFS), then first we will have to form (at least for legal substantiation of all work) the Eurasian parliament - a sort of Congress of Russian, Belarusian and Kazakhstan deputies, ministers, representatives of other departments which will have to determine to whom and how much “to weigh in grams”. Will such a Congress be able to work productively and make decisions that suit everyone? I would like it to be that way, but at some point this or that group of deputies will still turn into extras, with which it will either have to be reconciled (well, for example, as the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as part of the current State Duma, or as Greeks in the European Parliament) , either announce “withdrawal from the game”, or gain strength and call for the restoration of equality. In this case, the first two options look the most likely.

If we allow the first option (a group of extras with a certain majority), then the Eurasian Union may in time repeat the fate of the European Union. Berlin and Paris dominate there (now, it seems, only Berlin), and in the Eurasian Union such an advantage will most likely get to Moscow. But then “something else” arises: Lukashenko and Nazarbayev (at least for the time being) are not some Greek Karolos Papoulias or Antonis Samaras who can admit positions of extras if there is a certain main decision-making center. Lukashenko and Nazarbayev can beat their fists on the table ...

Then - the second option - "out of the game" ... Unless, of course, Russia does not provide both Belarus and Kazakhstan with manna from heaven. Perhaps, I would like to provide it, but economic indicators, as we were told by Prime Minister Medvedev just now, leave much to be desired, and therefore they themselves predict a tightening of belts.

It turns out that even the presence of the Eurasian Parliament and the single emission center of a supranational (supranational) character are only the old European rakes on which Moscow, Astana and Minsk can step on.

So you need to look for some alternative options. But which ones? You can, of course, remember that our states have far more solid cultural and spiritual ties, rather than ties, offhand Germans, Greeks and Poles. But will this be enough to create a full-fledged association? After all, culture and roots are one thing, and economic and political interests are another. There will always be politicians who, if they remember the so-called spiritual bonds, only after they receive guarantees of achieving economic and political goals.

Then, perhaps, to agree on a kind of triumvirate (Putin-Lukashenko-Nazarbayev), which will solve all the issues in the EAU. But this is something from the level close to utopian, if only because all three politicians have enormous political weight separately (at least in their own countries), and therefore compromises will not be permanent (the issue of a single emission center, recognition independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia - these are just a couple of examples, let's say, “friction”). And not one of the presidents mentioned is eternal on political Olympus ... This, too, should not be forgotten, since if the unification of states rests solely on the interests of their leaders, then the coming to power in any of these countries of another politician can destroy everything overnight.

Based on this, there is only one way out for building a full-fledged Eurasian Union. And this way out consists in the necessity of passing through our heads through ourselves an important thought: it’s impossible to build from above. If you start installing the roof without having a clear plan in front of you, remembering that first you had to lay the foundation, then the building will turn out to be quite short and very unstable. Examples of such scanty “buildings” in stories a dime a dozen, and start building another one - just no need. But to think about the architecture in the "bottom-up" style - is another matter. The unity of people is the best reason for the unity of states. Another question - will they go for this unity? Is it in the interests of supreme politicians? In general, there are an order of magnitude more questions than answers.

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  1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 October 2013 08: 54
    19
    I want such a passport !!! fellow
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 October 2013 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      I want such a passport

      color
      1. Canep
        Canep 1 October 2013 10: 48
        12
        It should be red, in my opinion.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 1 October 2013 12: 19
          +6
          Hello comrades!)
          Today I learned about the possible future flag of the EAC. And you know, I liked fellow .
          ... I will post it on this, I want you to appreciate it too. smile
          1. Bekzat
            Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 23
            +7
            The flag is beautiful !!!
          2. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 1 October 2013 12: 32
            +2
            Quote: Natalia
            I want you to rate too

            The eagle is somehow inexpressive.
            Behind the star of the roofing felts is the Maltese cross, or ishsho something ... why?
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 26
            +1
            And from where you downloaded this file.
          4. El13
            El13 1 October 2013 13: 27
            +8
            Quote: Natalia
            I want you to rate too

            It’s terrible, and most importantly, it looks like a shtatovskiy ... and the birds are ugly, here on the Russian Emblem an eagle is like an eagle ... Three stars, apparently, RF-RK-RB, and if anyone else joins? and there will be a blue rectangle in the upper left corner with asterisks laughing
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 1 October 2013 14: 57
              +2
              It began: state, Maltese, what else is it like?
            2. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 2 October 2013 03: 07
              +1
              Quote: El13
              Quote: Natalia
              I want you to rate too

              It’s terrible, and most importantly, it looks like a shtatovskiy ... and the birds are ugly, here on the Russian Emblem an eagle is like an eagle ... Three stars, apparently, RF-RK-RB, and if anyone else joins? and there will be a blue rectangle in the upper left corner with asterisks laughing


              yeah, I’m until I saw the second head of the eagle and didn’t read the comment)) I also thought from the first glance that it was Shtatovsky!
              well, it’s visible just a raw version, you just have to work on it
              1. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 2 October 2013 04: 27
                +4
                here maybe something like that then the old fashioned way)) I really don’t know what to depict on the shield, there are possible options and the Chinese loss a bit like the number of stars on the emblem but better than Amer’s! I hope the Chinese do not blame the plug-in smile
          5. RUSS
            RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 43
            +2
            This is a coat of arms design; a flag design looks different.
          6. T80UM1
            T80UM1 1 October 2013 13: 51
            +6
            It looks like a state emblem ...
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 1 October 2013 14: 04
              -1
              Quote: T80UM1
              It looks like a state coat of arms ..

              shtatovsky? what........
              1. El13
                El13 1 October 2013 14: 09
                +2
                Yeah, yeah, if not only it seemed to me that means there is something in common ...
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 1 October 2013 14: 18
                  0
                  Quote: El13
                  Yeah, yeah, if not only it seemed to me that means there is something in common ...

                  what and after all, the truth is something sort of ... common with the shtatsky ... mmmmmmda winked ... well, maybe it’s just like, well, and not really, if that is so ....
                  ... yeah and then, our prettier smile
              2. T80UM1
                T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 15
                +2
                well, it’s somewhat reminiscent of color and an eagle, albeit a two-headed one, to change color, and then it causes aggression due to associations with the enemy country ...
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 1 October 2013 14: 24
                  +7
                  Oh well what mmmmmmm .... then, a more radical decision, and less democratic. Let's say if the EAC flag is like that ... smile
                  ... well there, a little nostalgia, all things ... winked
                  Again, more patriotic ....
                  1. T80UM1
                    T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 28
                    +3
                    Damn if it were not for the red color with a sickle and a hammer, it would be similar to the EU))) Forgive Natalya my pickiness)))
                    1. Natalia
                      Natalia 1 October 2013 14: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: T80UM1
                      Damn if it were not for the red color with a sickle and a hammer, it would be similar to the EU))) Forgive Natalya my pickiness)))

                      lol ........ UTB yes) Well, well ... in general, well, from the proposed options, as I understand it, as one of the options, judging by that passport ... by the color of the passport, the main version of the UTB flag here is eta ... but she is not sympathetic to me ......... request
                      1. T80UM1
                        T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 44
                        +4
                        I have only one question: why is the color purple ??? from the phrase to the whole world "that everything is purple to us"? =)))
                      2. Natalia
                        Natalia 1 October 2013 14: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: T80UM1
                        I have only one question: why is the color purple ??? from the phrase to the whole world "that everything is purple to us"? =)))

                        ... well, I don’t know, a strange color, to say the least winked but I also know that this flag was also considered as an option .... but it looks more like the flag of the Ministry of Emergencies of RUSSIA
                      3. RUSS
                        RUSS 1 October 2013 14: 58
                        +1
                        And this is to please everyone.
                      4. Natalia
                        Natalia 1 October 2013 15: 08
                        0
                        Quote: RUSS
                        And this is to please everyone

                        lol Well, yes ... and you see, there is a lot of blue there is absolutely no red)))) And so, I told you ... EMERCOM of RUSSIA lol
                      5. RUSS
                        RUSS 1 October 2013 15: 27
                        +1
                        Three stars, three EAC countries, then we will add stars when adding new members of the Union, as amers add stars on the flag when they include a new state or country, as they now want to include Puerto Rico, or leave it as it is, for example, on the EU flag 12 there are 12 stars, the 12 countries of the first united in the Union, but the EU is growing, and there are no stars on the EU flag, as there were 12, there were XNUMX.
                      6. washi
                        washi 1 October 2013 18: 39
                        +1
                        Add muslim green
            2. T80UM1
              T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 34
              +2
              Something like that)))
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 1 October 2013 14: 46
                +1
                Quote: T80UM1
                Something like that)))

                Well, yes, it's the EU ... they have BLUE, we have RED. We are supposed to be red, well, our symbolism and all that, the stars on our combat vehicles are also red ... This is a tribute to the Soviet past winked My dad says that even on the military map now, enemy positions are indicated BLUE and our position RED
                1. washi
                  washi 1 October 2013 18: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Natalia
                  Quote: T80UM1
                  Something like that)))

                  Well, yes, it's the EU ... they have BLUE, we have RED. We are supposed to be red, well, our symbolism and all that, the stars on our combat vehicles are also red ... This is a tribute to the Soviet past winked My dad says that even on the military map now, enemy positions are indicated BLUE and our position RED

                  the red banner with the attacking falcon depicted is a symbol of Rurik.
                  first the red banner was stolen from us by the Turks.
                  falcon illegally appropriated to itself the inhabitants of a self-proclaimed state on our outskirts
            3. IRBIS
              IRBIS 1 October 2013 14: 54
              +3
              Quote: Natalia
              Let's say if the EAC flag is like that ...

              Natalia, something by analogy pulled you. Either the US version, then the Chinese ... And the colors ... Do you pick them for your shoes? wink
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 1 October 2013 15: 04
                +4
                Quote: IRBIS
                Natalia, something by analogy pulled you. Either the US version, then the Chinese ... And the colors ... Do you pick them for your shoes?

                Yes, no, I’m just discussing options with my comrades, one likes it, the other does it, but the taste and color, as they say ... no comrade lol

                PS but of course, frankly speaking ..... my most beloved flag is the imperial version of the Russian flag
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 1 October 2013 15: 30
                  +3
                  The most successful option, but 100% "not passable", which is a pity.
                2. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 1 October 2013 16: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Natalia
                  Yes, no, I’m just discussing options with my comrades, one likes it, the other does it, but the taste and color, as they say ... no comrade

                  The world is crazy - a woman with men discusses the color of the flag!
                  Natalia, what color are your eyes?
                3. Natalia
                  Natalia 1 October 2013 16: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  The world is crazy - a woman with men discusses the color of the flag!

                  ohhh lord ... well this is not a dating site
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  Natalia, what color are your eyes?

                  what purpose are you interested in?
                4. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 1 October 2013 17: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Natalia
                  ohhh lord ... well this is not a dating site

                  Luckily...
                  Quote: Natalia
                  what purpose are you interested in?

                  With absolutely good. I always try to imagine an interlocutor. In your image, I do not have enough eye color. I hope this does not offend you?
                5. Natalia
                  Natalia 1 October 2013 17: 55
                  0
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  With absolutely good. I always try to imagine an interlocutor. In your image, I do not have enough eye color. I hope this does not offend you?

                  yes? ... and which one do you like more?
                6. alone
                  alone 1 October 2013 21: 14
                  +5
                  wassat Do you know who answers the question with a question?))))
        2. washi
          washi 1 October 2013 18: 46
          0
          The most beautiful is the tribal Rurikovich.
        3. OffenroR
          OffenroR 1 October 2013 19: 05
          +1
          Only with the appearance of an eagle do not overdo it ..... but how the Germans will succeed: on the coat of arms the eagle turned into a rooster ...
    2. washi
      washi 1 October 2013 18: 37
      +1
      Horror.
      A mixture of the EU and China.
    3. alone
      alone 1 October 2013 21: 12
      +1
      why 12 stars on the flag?
    4. Altona
      Altona 2 October 2013 10: 46
      +1
      An almost complete clone of the Chinese flag ... Now we will copy back from the plagiarists? There was a normal and recognizable flag of the USSR ... illegitimate lowered ... why invent bicycles with passports and flags? But the Byzantine mutant was taken out from the depths of centuries and smeared on the coat of arms, and the symbolism of the USSR is worse? am
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  • theadenter
    theadenter 1 October 2013 15: 35
    0
    In a search for images on Google, I saw a variant of this flag with a reddish strip at the bottom of the flag - it seems to me to be much more harmonious and more beautiful.

    But the flag is flagged. Where is the clearly defined and clearly expressed single ideology that will tie and strengthen the union? No ideology - no lasting alliance.
  • washi
    washi 1 October 2013 18: 29
    0
    Appreciated. I didn’t realize. A mixture of Nazi Germany, NATO and the EU.
    There was a coat of arms of the USSR. It is quite peaceful. On each strip is the name of the acceding republic. Let there be three first (almost four)
  • OffenroR
    OffenroR 1 October 2013 19: 00
    +3
    Quote: Natalia
    Hello comrades!)
    Today I learned about the possible future flag of the EAC. And you know, I liked fellow .
    ... I will post it on this, I want you to appreciate it too. smile


    And without the "mutant eagle" is there an option? fellow
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 1 October 2013 19: 23
      +1
      Quote: OffenroR
      And without the "mutant eagle" is there an option?

      Eeeat! I didn’t give any current options ....
  • Nachkar237
    Nachkar237 1 October 2013 19: 44
    +2
    Good evening, Natalia, I have to disappoint you ... these are not official options, but just an unfortunate fantasy ... and mine. These sketches were developed by me, and sent to the website of heraldry.ru, where they failed miserably! The local heraldists explained to me in detail that my sketches are utter nonsense! Only then, these images began to wander around the Internet ...

    And the idea was this:


    1. The flag of the EAC. Flagpole: 3: 2 aspect ratio Blue upper horizontal (2/3 of the flag) and red lower horizontal (1/3 of the flag) in the upper left corner a large white star with a red outline on the background of a white rose of winds below 3 small stars of white color with red edging. (The blue color of the upper strip of the flag is a symbol of the night sky alternating with the red dawn (respectively, the lower strip of red). A large white star means unity - one whole of the Eurasian nation, since winds mean open borders for new states ready to join the union, three small white stars symbolize the number of members of the Eurasian Union (for starters 3: Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan) or maybe 4 small stars if Ukraine can be included in the union. In general, the number of stars may increase depending on the entry of new members into the union.

    2. Coat of arms of the EAC. The shape of the coat of arms coat of arms repeats the shape of the shield of the coat of arms of the Russian Federation, only blue - symbolizing the night sky. in the center of the shield is a two-headed eagle of gray or brown color, in the right paw of the eagle the sword is a symbol of the power of a single army, in the left is a scroll is a symbol of a single constitution, in the center of the eagle is a shield with a stylized flag depicted on it and a large star against a background of wind roses, on the background of the eagle in its upper part is sunlight symbolizing dawn (the beginning of a new era), the rays of dawn end with small white stars with a red border - the number of states of the EAC. In the lower part of the geoba under the eagle is a green laurel wreath - a symbol of glory and victory.

    Well, options: the flag of the President of the EAC and the holiday version of the flag of the EAC.

    ... I remember myself, it’s already getting ridiculous ... and so rumors are spreading, often unfounded !!!
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 2 October 2013 07: 17
    -1
    In general, there is something ... but the "handles-paws" look somehow caricatured ...
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 20
    +2
    Our banner is red! Our cause is right! The enemy will be defeated!

    More relevant than ever ...
  • OffenroR
    OffenroR 1 October 2013 18: 59
    0
    "Reflections on the Eurasian Union"
    Stop thinking ... break your brains. Let's get down to business faster ...
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 October 2013 12: 18
    +3
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    color

    Color does not affect speed, but of course I would like red! hi
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 29
      -1
      Blue is more neutral, and the CSTO flag is also blue.
      1. washi
        washi 1 October 2013 18: 51
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Blue is more neutral, and the CSTO flag is also blue.

        Yeah. And it will fade a little and turn blue.
        There is a traditional color - red. It was him who adhered to Romanovskaya Rus and adjacent territories
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 1 October 2013 12: 25
    +3
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    color

    glamorous
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 35
      0
      The color of the eagle is "lost" against the blue background.
      1. El13
        El13 1 October 2013 14: 13
        0
        At one time, it was believed that the yellow text on a blue (blue) background is considered to be the least tiresome for the eyes, so you need to paint the eagle in gold and not tire smile
  • DMB 1995
    DMB 1995 1 October 2013 08: 58
    +7
    color dumb ((
    1. Rebus
      Rebus 1 October 2013 15: 01
      0
      Quote: DMB 1995
      color dumb ((

      I agree. But this color is very symbolic:
      1. One of the non-spectral colors, that is, is not on a par with the others.
      2. The imperial color, purple and porphyry are ancient symbols of power, signs of the regality of their possessor.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 1 October 2013 08: 59
    15
    In my opinion, the Eurasian Union will not be a strong political entity if it does not have a powerful foundation for creation !!! The reason for the creation, of course, is the close cultural and spiritual affinity of the peoples of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus - but it will be very difficult to create something viable in countries where much depends on the decision and will of specific leaders (Lukashenko, Putin and Nazarbayev) ... And if they tomorrow will not be then what? The USSR was nevertheless governed by a system of power - which by definition is more powerful than the most powerful leader !!! The USSR was a large family of fraternal peoples - which was very progressive for its time ... And what about now? Who will be the main and who is secondary in the new alliance?

    To begin with, it seems to me that it would be nice to hold referenda in countries whose leaders want to unite - the will of peoples is a powerful foundation on which unification is possible !!!
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 1 October 2013 09: 54
      -21 qualifying.
      Since when is the Russian cultural proximity with the Kazakhs ?. What are our common traditions?
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 1 October 2013 10: 06
        15
        Since the Mongol-Tatra yoke, and even earlier since the Polovtsian era.
      2. Essenger
        Essenger 1 October 2013 10: 06
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: DoctorOleg
        Since when is the Russian cultural proximity with the Kazakhs ?.


        No, it's all in the minds of people like Dugin, etc.
      3. Selevc
        Selevc 1 October 2013 10: 23
        20
        Quote: DoctorOleg
        Since when is the Russian cultural proximity with the Kazakhs ?. What are our common traditions?

        And more than 400 years of joint history is not a reason for friendship? And the fact that many cities of the north of Kazakhstan were once founded by Russians is not a reason either? And millions of Russians living in Kazakhstan is also not a reason?
      4. Zymran
        Zymran 1 October 2013 11: 19
        -12 qualifying.
        Actually no. The only thing that unites is the Russian language.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 1 October 2013 11: 39
          10
          Kazakhs are closer to me personally than the same Ukrainians from Western Ukraine.
          1. Canep
            Canep 1 October 2013 11: 43
            13
            In Kazakhstan, people like those in western Ukraine are called "natsik", and it does not matter Kazakh or Russian. This is considered a contemptuous insult. In the north anyway.
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 04
              +5
              I will support this post ...
            2. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 1 October 2013 14: 45
              +6
              In the north, anyway.
              Plus! And in the south too.
          2. Zymran
            Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 33
            +9
            Well, I personally also sympathize with Russians, I have many Russian friends and my beloved niece has a Russian mother.
      5. RUSS
        RUSS 1 October 2013 11: 37
        +8
        Cultural proximity - for example, the Russian language, Cyrillic, the loyal attitude of Kazakhs to Orthodoxy, the Victory of 1945.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 02
          11
          Yes, I agree. Only a loyal attitude to all major religions, not only to Orthodoxy.
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 1 October 2013 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Cyrillic,


          We are going to the Latin alphabet soon.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 1 October 2013 12: 58
            +5
            I was surprised by the minus that was given to ESSENGER for writing about the transition to the Latin alphabet. It won’t work, let's respect each other. What, Kazakhs do not have the right to choose the alphabet they want? Respect must be mutual.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 48
              -2
              Well, you went to your home so that you could be closer to the Turks brothers, copied their alphabet, but whatever written in the Cyrillic alphabet, just don’t say that it is easier in the Latin alphabet.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 1 October 2013 14: 28
                +8
                You have inaccurate information. Our alphabet is somewhat different from Turkish, as they take into account the peculiarities of the language. And about "being closer to your brothers", are you against the idea that someone wants to be closer to their brothers? I would only be happy for the Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians if they decided to cooperate more closely than now.
                1. OffenroR
                  OffenroR 1 October 2013 19: 18
                  0
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  I would only be happy for the Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians if they decided to work more closely than now.

                  Unfortunately, now we see the opposite ... comrades of the "saloezhki" are marching to Europe fellow
              2. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 1 October 2013 15: 46
                +4
                Turkey later than the Turkic republics switched to Latin, so it is not the Turkic states that copy the alphabet from Turkey, but Turkey copied the Latin alphabet from them!
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 46
            0
            Most likely you will not switch to the Latin alphabet, and if you transfer, who will use it?
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 1 October 2013 13: 59
              +5
              Quote: RUSS
              Most likely you will not switch to the Latin alphabet, and if you transfer, who will use it?


              Everything, I already use it.
              1. El13
                El13 1 October 2013 14: 22
                +7
                Quote: Essenger
                Everything, I already use it.

                I also use ... every day ... when I insert English words into the text. They impose it from the outside, like the Ukarinsky language, they generally introduce trifles like "in-to-Ukraine" and size, where it is possible for separation, a single direction is visible. I went to Germany two years ago, there was a Kazakh among us - our own man, he lived twenty years ago in Petropavlovsk, there were 20 percent Kazakhs (I don’t know now) - our people, except for the characteristic features of the face, we are no different. Trying to divide us ...
                1. Andrey KZ
                  Andrey KZ 1 October 2013 14: 51
                  11
                  I absolutely agree! Now I’m thinking now, but how am I different from my Kazakh friends? Yes, nothing more than a cut of eyes.
                2. Essenger
                  Essenger 1 October 2013 15: 09
                  +4
                  Quote: El13
                  I also use ... every day ... when I insert English words into the text.


                  You misunderstood me, I type Kazakh words through the Latin alphabet.
                  1. El13
                    El13 1 October 2013 15: 34
                    -1
                    Quote: Essenger

                    You misunderstood me, I type Kazakh words through ...

                    I also can’t do much wassat (joke, no offense). Yes, I understand you correctly, just played with words.
                    Now answer, why are you switching to Latin, and not to Arabic script or not to hieroglyphs? Why, they would have thought up their squiggles and business then, but how independent it is! And why are you moving on?
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 1 October 2013 15: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: El13
                      And why are you moving on?


                      I believe that this is one of the steps towards Kazakhstan's transition to the Western world. Plus, the Latin alphabet is more convenient than the Cyrillic alphabet and all the independent Turkic countries have crossed. We stayed with the Kyrgyz.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 1 October 2013 16: 14
                        +6
                        Closer to the West? Are you really sure that by switching to the Latin script, you will become closer to the Western world?
                        It seems to me that Europe, after 20 years, will switch to the Arabic script, so you really need to switch to Arabic script right away ... laughing
                      2. El13
                        El13 1 October 2013 16: 16
                        +5
                        Cool, now I understand everything.
                        When perestroika happened, I, like many others, came under the suggestion that we were backward, that the western one was progressive, that we needed to catch up with all our might. Then came (with difficulty) the understanding that we were no worse, we were just different and it was not yet known who was better. And following your logic, you need to urgently correct the eye shape in order to better see the world, well, change the skin color to African, so as not to go to the solarium - is it a savings?
                        And yes, if you introduce a binary number system, then too much to simplify in accounting - proceed.
                      3. Essenger
                        Essenger 1 October 2013 16: 37
                        +3
                        Quote: El13
                        And following your logic, you need to urgently correct the eye shape in order to better see the world, well, change the skin color to African, so as not to go to the solarium - is it a savings?


                        Joked a laugh laughing

                        and now on the topic. For example, Japan and South Korea are part of the Western world, they did not change their eye shape.

                        Russ
                        I understand you hurt that your country is losing influence, etc.
                        Be a little more serious.
                        It is rather a symbolic and political step.
                        At the expense of proximity, part of the territory of Kazakhstan, excuse me geographically, Europe.
                      4. RUSS
                        RUSS 1 October 2013 17: 02
                        +4
                        Korea and Japan did not switch to the Latin alphabet and they are unlikely to consider themselves part of the Western world, yes, but not part of them. And about the offense for their country that it supposedly loses influence, a controversial statement. It's not about the insult, but about the lack of understanding Why are you so sweet West? LGBT and pedophilia, the decline of Christian values? Same-sex marriage? Mcdonalds? Destruction of Middle Eastern countries? ESSENDGER ?????
                      5. Essenger
                        Essenger 1 October 2013 17: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Why are you so sweet West?


                        And why should I love Russia?
                      6. RUSS
                        RUSS 1 October 2013 17: 51
                        +3
                        And no one is forcing you to love Russia, as they say, "you can't be lovely." Just learn from the mistakes of other countries, those countries that trusted the West and what happened to them. Tell me why the West needs Kazakhstan?
                      7. Essenger
                        Essenger 1 October 2013 18: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: RUSS
                        those countries that trusted the West and what happened to them.


                        An example of countries such as Turkey, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. shows that this is a good choice.
                      8. RUSS
                        RUSS 1 October 2013 18: 31
                        +2
                        Japan is an unsinkable American aircraft carrier, Japanese workaholics with brains, like Koreans. Mutual interest with the West, a kind of symbiosis. And what will Kazakhstan give in response to the West?

                        Speaking of Turkey, Erdogan understands that Turkey will not be taken to the EU (until of course the Turkish population is dominant in Europe), therefore, it is gradually moving away from Europe, as well as from the West as a whole.
                      9. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 1 October 2013 18: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Speaking of Turkey, Erdogan understands that Turkey will not be taken to the EU (until of course the Turkish population is dominant in Europe), therefore, it is gradually moving away from Europe, as well as from the West as a whole.

                        Read yesterday’s statements by Erdogan!
                      10. RUSS
                        RUSS 1 October 2013 18: 45
                        +2
                        Rhetoric is one thing, but the actions are different, a clear matter will go all the way to the EU accession, like the Japanese to return the Kuril Islands. And they both understand that these are pipe dreams.
                      11. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 1 October 2013 18: 49
                        +1
                        At least buy Kazakhstan’s energy! And Russia?
                      12. RUSS
                        RUSS 1 October 2013 19: 12
                        +1
                        True, the West needs the bowels, and that’s it ...
                3. Essenger
                  Essenger 1 October 2013 18: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: RUSS
                  And what will Kazakhstan give in response to the West?


                  What will Russia give to Kazakhstan?
                4. RUSS
                  RUSS 1 October 2013 19: 11
                  +2
                  Economic growth, military defense.
                5. Essenger
                  Essenger 2 October 2013 09: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Economic growth, military defense.


                  Oh come on what is the growth of the economy?
                  The growth of the economy of Kazakhstan is in no way connected with Russia.
                  You protect yourself first.
                6. Don
                  Don 3 October 2013 11: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Essenger
                  Oh come on what is the growth of the economy?

                  Normal.
                  Quote: Essenger
                  The growth of the economy of Kazakhstan is in no way connected with Russia.

                  laughing What are you talking about? You at least read the structure of the economy of your country. How can the Russian Federation not influence the growth of Kazakhstan’s economy if 35% of Kazakhstan’s exports of oil go through the territory of the Russian Federation ?! If the main trading partner of the Republic of Kazakhstan? If 59% of Kazakhstan’s exports are CIS countries and, above all, the Russian Federation.
                  Quote: Essenger
                  You protect yourself first.

                  ))))) Well, you're a joker. The Russian Federation will protect itself just do not worry, but the RK, just with a small army, needs external strong allies. Nazarbayev understands this because of this and is going to rearm the army with Russian weapons and therefore the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Collective Security Treaty Organization.
                7. Zymran
                  Zymran 3 October 2013 13: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Don
                  What are you talking about? You at least read the structure of the economy of your country. How can the Russian Federation not affect the growth of Kazakhstan’s economy if 35% of Kazakhstan’s export of oil goes through the territory of the Russian Federation ?!


                  And before the vehicle, she did not go through the territory of the Russian Federation?

                  Quote: Don
                  If the main trading partner of the Republic of Kazakhstan?


                  The main trading partner of Kazakhstan is China.
                  http://expert.ru/ratings/krupnejshie-torgovyie-partneryi-kazahstana-v-2012-g/

                  Quote: Don
                  Nazarbayev understands this because of this and is going to rearm the army with Russian weapons


                  Kazakhstan buys not only Russian weapons.
                8. Don
                  Don 4 October 2013 10: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Zymran
                  And before the vehicle, she did not go through the territory of the Russian Federation?

                  Have you ever read what it was about? A man writes that the Russian Federation in no way affects the economy of the Republic of Kazakhstan. I wrote how this can happen if Kazakh oil goes to Europe through the territory of the Russian Federation. What does the TS have to do with it?
                  Quote: Zymran
                  The main trading partner of Kazakhstan is China.
                  http://expert.ru/ratings/krupnejshie-torgovyie-partneryi-kazahstana-v-2012-g/

                  Oh wow what a big difference as much as 100 million. The essence of this does not change. In any country, the main trading partners are its neighbors, especially when these are two huge markets like China and the Russian Federation. And the argument about what? Count
                  Quote: Essenger
                  The growth of the economy of Kazakhstan is in no way connected with Russia.

                  And once again I repeat this can not be.
                  Quote: Zymran
                  Kazakhstan buys not only Russian weapons.

                  Of course not only. I didn’t write such a thing. Only now, the Republic of Kazakhstan purchases air defense missile systems, fighters, armored vehicles, armored personnel carriers, MLRS, BMPTs, upgrades tanks, and others buy what? Only a few armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers.
                9. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 4 October 2013 11: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Don
                  Only now, the Republic of Kazakhstan buys from the Russian Federation air defense systems, fighters, armored vehicles, armored personnel carriers, MLRS, BMPTs, upgrades tanks, and from others, what are they buying? Only a few armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers.
                  It's hard to call it procurement. Since the supply of Russian equipment goes under the lease of Baikonur and landfills in the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
                  So the main reason is that there is a non-cash payment .. And for "real" money they buy from non-Russian firms .. Armored personnel carriers are already being purchased from Ukraine and Turkey, and are also looking closely at the western ones. Modernization of armored personnel carriers, missile defense systems, etc. with Israel ...
                  And, for fighters, so for me, it's better to negotiate with Saab about the "Grippens" ...
                10. Don
                  Don 4 October 2013 17: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  It's hard to call it procurement. Since the supply of Russian equipment goes under the lease of Baikonur and landfills in the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

                  Where did you read that? The cost of renting the Baikonur complex is $ 115 million, in addition, from the federal budget of Russia to the budget of the city of Baikonur, annually, gratuitous admission is made in the amount of 1,16 billion rubles (as of 2012). All the more so, what 115 million dollars when the Kyrgyz Republic is going to buy planes and air defense systems for 12 billion dollars from the Russian Federation.
                11. Zymran
                  Zymran 4 October 2013 22: 40
                  +3
                  Can I link to such plans?
  • washi
    washi 1 October 2013 19: 09
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: RUSS
    those countries that trusted the West and what happened to them.

    An example of countries such as Turkey, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. shows that this is a good choice.

    In fact, almost all of these countries followed the example of the Stalinist USSR
  • Zymran
    Zymran 3 October 2013 13: 26
    +2
    Quote: Vasya
    In fact, almost all of these countries followed the example of the Stalinist USSR


    Crazy?
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 1 October 2013 17: 51
    +5
    Do you think blue and lesbian are the prerogative of the West only and for example in Russia they are not? I always thought that sinful Europe was a high civilization, advanced science, great geographical discoveries, it was Mozart, Bach, Colosseum, Parthenon, Napoleon and Caesar, but no, all this, according to some users of the site, has nothing to do with Europe. In Europe, they noticed only blue ones.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 18: 55
    0
    Unfortunately Europe is not the same ....
  • washi
    washi 1 October 2013 19: 18
    0
    Quote: xetai9977
    Do you think blue and lesbian are the prerogative of the West only and for example in Russia they are not? I always thought that sinful Europe was a high civilization, advanced science, great geographical discoveries, it was Mozart, Bach, Colosseum, Parthenon, Napoleon and Caesar, but no, all this, according to some users of the site, has nothing to do with Europe. In Europe, they noticed only blue ones.

    Well, what are the geographical discoveries? Only the way from Europe to America.
    The architecture? Already Western scientists began to say that they did it, or laid the foundation, the Slavs.
    Music is no worse with us.
    What else?
    Health care according to the "Western" has ruined the more effective traditional medicine.
    Education? In Romanov times, there were more literate people in Russia than in Europe. There was democracy, there was industry (arms were supplied to Europe)
  • washi
    washi 1 October 2013 18: 59
    +2
    In Cyrillic, it was necessary to add additional letters to convey the entire identity of the Kazakh language. But in Latin there are fewer letters than in Cyrillic. I feel sorry for you.
    For general education, I had to simplify Russian writing.
    You complicate your writing. Will this increase the education of the Kazakh population?
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 1 October 2013 20: 51
    +1
    "I think this is one of the steps towards Kazakhstan's transition to the Western world." - cheered Dear from the heart laughing This West itself needs you as a dog’s fifth leg, except for one question - to prevent all the fragments from uniting in a new powerful country.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 15: 01
    +4
    In the color of the latest trends, no matter how you switch to the Arabic font.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 15: 11
      +5
      Kazakhs and Uighurs in China use it.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 October 2013 15: 48
        +1
        The Chinese (Han Chinese) will assimilate Uigurs, everyone will start scribbling in hieroglyphs, they will relocate the Chinese at Xin-Jiang at an accelerated pace, and Uigurs will not be allowed to pray everywhere, soon they will get to writing.
    2. Essenger
      Essenger 1 October 2013 15: 19
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      In the color of the latest trends, no matter how you switch to the Arabic font.


      In any case, even if it’s hieroglyphs, it’s definitely not for you.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 October 2013 15: 50
        +3
        As it does not concern, but about Russian-speaking in Kazakhstan, you do not forget, and about the characters I answered above.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 1 October 2013 16: 40
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          but about Russian-speaking in Kazakhstan, do not forget


          I do not forget them, what side does it concern them? After all, they do not speak Kazakh.
          And what side does the Russian-speaking citizens of Kazakhstan concern you?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 1 October 2013 17: 20
            +1
            Affects and very, it is part of my nation.
            I think so, if Russia goes to the Latin alphabet, then Kazakhstan will leave the Cyrillic alphabet, if only not like in Russia.
          2. Essenger
            Essenger 1 October 2013 17: 39
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            then Kazakhstan will leave the Cyrillic alphabet, if only not as in Russia.


            Well, it’s you who are copying the reforms with us, but not you.
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 1 October 2013 17: 54
            0
            It is possible that we are spying on something, a normal practice, why "invent a bicycle" if there is a ready-made solution to problems, worked-out laws, etc.
          4. Essenger
            Essenger 1 October 2013 18: 10
            +4
            Quote: RUSS
            why "invent a bicycle"


            We do not invent, we just restore the Latin alphabet. We had it before.
          5. RUSS
            RUSS 1 October 2013 19: 15
            +1
            I’m not talking about the Latin alphabet, but about some reformist ideas borrowed from you, and you are already restoring what you want, even Turkic runes, at least enter your own special alphabet.
          6. Essenger
            Essenger 2 October 2013 14: 41
            +2
            Quote: RUSS
            As it does not apply, but about the Russian-speaking in Kazakhstan, do not forget


            Quote: RUSS
            and restore what you want already, even Turkic runes, at least enter your own special alphabet.


            You contradict yourself
        2. washi
          washi 1 October 2013 19: 26
          0
          Quote: Essenger
          Reply

          You didn’t have a written language at all. It was created only after joining Russia.
          You religion was pagan until the 90s. Kazakhs who converted to Islam were called Uzbeks in honor of the Khan of Uzbekistan. The rest were wild
        3. Andrey57
          Andrey57 1 October 2013 21: 00
          0
          Quote: Essenger
          We had it before.
          Interestingly, before "what" did you have it, if you had no trace of your own writing?
        4. Essenger
          Essenger 2 October 2013 09: 27
          +4
          Vasya and Andrey57 are you eating something there?
  • washi
    washi 1 October 2013 19: 22
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: RUSS
    but about Russian-speaking in Kazakhstan, do not forget

    I do not forget them, what side does it concern them? After all, they do not speak Kazakh.
    And what side does the Russian-speaking citizens of Kazakhstan concern you?

    What makes you think that Russians do not understand Kazakh? Starokazakhsky is understood by many. If you did not come up with new words that not all Kazakhs understand, then everything would be fine. And then (told) the granddaughter the grandmother from the village teaches how to speak Kazakh
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 7 October 2013 17: 43
    +3
    he was silent, silent, but could not stand it ... "Old Kazakh")))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  • OffenroR
    OffenroR 1 October 2013 19: 25
    -2
    Quote: RUSS
    Cultural proximity - for example, the Russian language, Cyrillic, the loyal attitude of Kazakhs to Orthodoxy, the Victory of 1945.

    Another "historical and cultural" fact - in Kazakhstan they like to molest Russian women ... at every corner "Devushka, can I meet you?
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 2 October 2013 09: 24
      +4
      Quote: OffenroR
      Quote: RUSS
      Cultural proximity - for example, the Russian language, Cyrillic, the loyal attitude of Kazakhs to Orthodoxy, the Victory of 1945.

      Another "historical and cultural" fact - in Kazakhstan they like to molest Russian women ... at every corner "Devushka, can I meet you?


      You were here?
  • Bekzat
    Bekzat 1 October 2013 11: 41
    +8
    Greetings to all, for DoctorOleg, since the Battle of Kalka, then Kazakhs and Russians fought against one enemy, forgetting their enmity. And as Lyndon noted, since the time of the Polovtsy.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 08
      +3
      You make the mistake of leveling the Kazakhs and medieval Kipchaks.
      1. Bekzat
        Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 12
        +4
        for Zymran, maybe I’m doing it, and I think that the majority will agree to an alliance with Russia than with China or with the Americans.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 14
          0
          China or the Americans do not invite us into any alliance.
          1. Bekzat
            Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 16
            +3
            for Zymran, they will simply crush us in numbers, and assimilate, and the Kazakh ethnic group will simply disappear, just like the Dzungars, or those Mongols who once conquered the Chinese, disappeared
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 29
              +1
              Not tired of scaring the Chinese yet?
              1. Bekzat
                Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 34
                10
                No, I’m not tired, here’s an example for you, I work in a private company, a customs representative, I carried out customs clearance of a Chinese company engaged in drilling, and so, Chinese specialists and workers arrived with the cargo, and now they have worked and are still working on our territory, while our specialists and workers were left without work, and this company is not the only one. Gradually, the Chinese in the city became more and more.
              2. washi
                washi 1 October 2013 19: 28
                +1
                But did the Dungans still remain, or were completely assimilated and only the name of the noodles remained from them?
            2. Essenger
              Essenger 1 October 2013 12: 32
              0
              Quote: Bekzat
              they’ll simply crush us in numbers, and assimilate,


              I'm already tired of sinophobia.

              On the issue of assimilation.

              In China, Kazakhs speak Kazakh, in Russia, Kazakhs in Russian.

              In China, there are fully Kazakh-language channels that are not even in the KZ. Only recently, the television channel of Kazakhstan did and then one for the whole country (((Shame and shame !!!

              Now think about who assimilates us.
              1. Bekzat
                Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 40
                +4
                in Kazakhstan, Russians speak Kazakh, Koreans speak Kazakh, and many others also speak Kazakh (I am ashamed, but many speak better), and nothing. There is Khabar, there are local channels, regional, which broadcast both in Kazakh and in Russian.
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: Bekzat
                  in Kazakhstan, Russians speak Kazakh, Koreans speak Kazakh, and many others also speak Kazakh,


                  laughing
                  1. Bekzat
                    Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 47
                    +8
                    laughing , I invite you to the Horde, I will personally introduce you, we have a young couple living along the street, a Kazakh husband, speaks Russian, a Russian wife, speaks Kazakh, there are Koreans who bargain in Kazakh better than I do in the bazaar, I know a Georgian woman, married Kazakh, converted to Islam and became an ordinary Kazakh woman, saw a Korean woman from Aralsk on TV, writes poetry and reads them in Kazakh, a girl Marina went to the group with her daughter, this is in a kindergarten, Russian, she speaks both Russian and Kazakh. And there are many examples. It may be in the north of Kazakhstan, they speak little Kazakh, moreover, the Kazakhs themselves, served with me a guy who didn’t even know.
                  2. Zymran
                    Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 49
                    +2
                    The Horde and the South are not all of Kazakhstan. You understand perfectly, I think, what caused our grin with Essenger'om.
                  3. Bekzat
                    Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 52
                    +1
                    Well, the north is also not the whole of Kazakhstan.
                  4. Canep
                    Canep 1 October 2013 14: 54
                    +5
                    You are still here to begin the civil war of the north and south of Kazakhstan, the Americans will be delighted.
                2. Andrey KZ
                  Andrey KZ 1 October 2013 14: 59
                  +7
                  Quote: Zymran
                  The Horde and the South are not all of Kazakhstan. You understand perfectly, I think, what caused our grin with Essenger'om.
                  Greetings, what’s smiling? My Kazakh is certainly far from perfect, but I can quite explain it. But my children do not speak Kazakh badly, they teach from kindergarten.
              2. xetai9977
                xetai9977 1 October 2013 13: 19
                +4
                The man of the titular nation who lives in his own country and does not know his own language is MANKURT, which deserves only contempt. By the way, this is also familiar to Russians. In the 19th century there were Russians who shied away from the Russian language and spoke French.
              3. RUSS
                RUSS 1 October 2013 15: 04
                +2
                The nobles spoke and then only among themselves, and most often outside the house, but they knew Russian better than we did. And what is the "titular nation"? -Smells of nationalism.
              4. Zymran
                Zymran 1 October 2013 15: 32
                +6
                The title nation is just a nation whose name is called the state. In Russia, Russians, Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, Italians in Italy, etc.
              5. RUSS
                RUSS 1 October 2013 15: 56
                0
                No need to mislead the members of the forum, a definition of the titular nation was written out from Wikipedia, but now, unfortunately, this definition has a slightly different meaning.
              6. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 1 October 2013 16: 07
                +5
                Quote: RUSS
                No need to mislead the members of the forum, a definition of the titular nation was written out from Wikipedia, but now, unfortunately, this definition has a slightly different meaning.
                Maxim, no need to look for "another meaning", Zymran wrote everything correctly.
              7. RUSS
                RUSS 1 October 2013 16: 39
                +3
                Andrey, maybe I'm wrong about my answer to Zymran, but unfortunately nationalists distort the term titular nation, and this, so to speak, "distortion" is becoming more and more official. For example, the story about the Constitution of the Altai Republic, where there was a substitution of the definition of the titular nation, and there are many such examples.
          2. washi
            washi 1 October 2013 19: 34
            -2
            Quote: Zymran
            The title nation is just a nation whose name is called the state. In Russia, Russians, Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, Italians in Italy, etc.

            The title page is the majority.
            After the Russians survived (killed) in the territories of the former Soviet republics - now all the titular
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 1 October 2013 17: 55
          +3
          Patrician or plebeian, if someone shy away from the language of his nation, regardless of class he is MANKURT and nothing more.
        3. washi
          washi 1 October 2013 19: 35
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          Patrician or plebeian, if someone shy away from the language of his nation, regardless of class he is MANKURT and nothing more.

          There is a nation and there is a nationality.
    2. OffenroR
      OffenroR 1 October 2013 19: 31
      +2
      Quote: xetai9977
      The man of the titular nation who lives in his own country and does not know his own language is MANKURT, which deserves only contempt. By the way, this is also familiar to Russians. In the 19th century there were Russians who shied away from the Russian language and spoke French.

      For example, I don’t speak my native language very well, but I understand everything and can write it fluently, but I have problems with the spoken language .... Am I also Mankurt?
    3. Raiven
      Raiven 2 October 2013 22: 10
      0
      ok, so you think 90% of the population of Belarus
      The man of the titular nation who lives in his own country and does not know his own language is MANKURT, which deserves only contempt.


      we almost do not have those who speak Belarusian, Russian or "trasyanka" language Spanish.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 1 October 2013 12: 44
    +3
    Quote: Bekzat
    in Kazakhstan, Russians speak Kazakh, Koreans speak Kazakh, and many others also speak Kazakh (I am ashamed, but many speak better), and nothing. There is Khabar, there are local channels, regional, which broadcast both in Kazakh and in Russian.

    laughing
    1. Bekzat
      Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 50
      +7
      laughing , laugh laugh, laugh the one who laughs last. It seems to me you and your friend Zymran, ordinary trolls, laughing. It is useless to argue with you, but there is no desire to spend the nerve on you.
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 55
      +4
      Yeah, and on the salary of the State Department ...

      Do you want any discussion on the site on a complex issue to be held under general approval? This does not happen. Truth is born in a dispute.
    3. Bekzat
      Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 58
      +4
      I agree, the truth is somewhere nearby
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 16: 26
    +2
    Trolls are spelled with two letters "ll", from English trolling.
  • Bekzat
    Bekzat 1 October 2013 17: 15
    +4
    Thanks, I'll keep it in mind.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 12: 12
    +2
    Anthropologically, the Kazakhs belong to the South Siberian minor race, transitional between the large Mongoloid and Caucasoid races. Throughout the entire extent of settlement, Kazakhs are quite homogeneous in descriptive and measuring racial characteristics. For men and women of Kazakh populations, straight, tight, dark hair is characteristic. According to the growth of beard and hairline on the body, men of the western and southern regions of Kazakhstan are distinguished.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 15
      +7
      My beard is growing, and what kind. Three days later - spilled Ahmadinejad. I am from the north. wink
      1. Ram chandra
        Ram chandra 1 October 2013 13: 05
        +4
        Yes, you are deceiving us! Surely - a southerner alien! Friendly joke.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 1 October 2013 13: 09
          +2
          By the way, yes. wink I am of the same origin. But the relatives of the mother from the East also have such stubble that is not weak.
          1. Bekzat
            Bekzat 1 October 2013 13: 15
            +3
            for Zymran, I have a grandmother of the Jozha clan, Naғasha Alzhe. As they say, I found a relative !!! laughing I myself am from Қпшақ-Тюққты-Әлке
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 1 October 2013 13: 22
              +3
              Well, just a descendant of the Polovtsy then, of course. smile

              And my nagashas are naimanas.
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 1 October 2013 20: 23
                +5
                The bearded anecdote. The Germans captured the Russian and Kazakh officer ordered the Russian to be shot in the Kazakh camp. I am indignant why the officer is answering you for five minutes, you will talk and we will be distant relatives and how then to send a relative to the camp?
          2. Bekzat
            Bekzat 1 October 2013 13: 16
            +1
            And my beard does not grow.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 1 October 2013 13: 23
              +4
              Yes, maybe it’s for the best. Shaving every day bothers. I love the stubble, but it also torments me to level it.
            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 1 October 2013 13: 25
              +4
              Why do Kazakhs divide themselves into northerners, southerners, western, eastern? For me personally, any Kazakh-Turkic brother, regardless of where he comes from.
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 1 October 2013 13: 29
                +2
                Well, it just so happened. The territory is huge. However, there are almost no differences, for example, in the language.

                And who is on your avatar?
              2. xetai9977
                xetai9977 1 October 2013 13: 47
                +3
                Shah Ismail is the founder of the Safavid Empire.
            3. RUSS
              RUSS 1 October 2013 14: 49
              +1
              In Kazakhstan, there are historical so-called Zhuzes, and you have some kind of division: Ayrum, Afshary, Bayat, Karadag, Terekem, Shahseveni,
            4. xetai9977
              xetai9977 1 October 2013 18: 01
              +3
              Now it is irrelevant. The names of groups or clans you listed already ceased to play an independent role already in the 18th century.
            5. RUSS
              RUSS 1 October 2013 19: 18
              +3
              Perhaps, but new clans appeared, for example, Moscow Azerbaijanis. laughing
  • Essenger
    Essenger 1 October 2013 12: 27
    +7
    Quote: RUSS
    According to the growth of beard and hairline on the body, men of the western and southern regions of Kazakhstan are distinguished.


    I can’t grow a beard from the west (((
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 03
      +2
      Well, you guys do not take so literally, territorial affiliation, yet conditional.
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 06
    0
    He just kypchak = =))
  • habalog
    habalog 1 October 2013 14: 28
    +2
    Quote: DoctorOleg
    Since when is the Russian cultural proximity with the Kazakhs ?. What are our common traditions?


    Even before the 11-12 centuries, during the days of the Princes and others, there was a national fun - to get together and brush Europe. (I was told about this by historians who study Russia before the "yoke")
    The cavalry is heavy from the northerners, light from the southerners. Any military formation in Europe moved the rink. wink
    Although they cut a lot between each other. Such times were dashing!

    Regarding the deep side of your question (provocation): I am not averse to seeing YOURSELF as president of Kazakh or Beloroshich.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 1 October 2013 15: 53
      0
      Quote: habalog
      The cavalry is heavy from the northerners, light from the southerners. Any military formation in Europe moved the rink.

      Can I talk about this in more detail?
  • Canep
    Canep 1 October 2013 14: 47
    +4
    Quote: DoctorOleg
    Since when is the Russian cultural proximity with the Kazakhs ?. What are our common traditions?

    You know what I'll tell you, Russians with Buryats (Nenets, Chukchi, Tuvans, etc.) have much less in common (if at all) than with Kazakhs, and you live in the same country and don’t complain.
  • Bekzat
    Bekzat 1 October 2013 11: 42
    +9
    For Andrei, I have nothing against the referendum and even for, because I know that the Kazakhstan people WILL BE FOR !!!
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 1 October 2013 20: 27
      +3
      the same for the referendum and it is advisable to repeat after 5 years that would be visible the dynamics of the people for or against.
    2. Essenger
      Essenger 2 October 2013 10: 09
      +2
      Quote: Bekzat
      For Andrei, I have nothing against the referendum and even for, because I know that the Kazakhstan people WILL BE FOR !!!


      Do you live in a parallel world?
  • Sylvester
    Sylvester 2 October 2013 09: 46
    0
    Who will be more important in the TS is so clear.
  • Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 1 October 2013 09: 03
    0
    However, the Union is still far away. Otherwise, the population would have already started rubbing about the benefits of joining it. Is the created Customs Union neither a soft alternative to what was promised?
    1. ben gun
      ben gun 1 October 2013 12: 40
      +5
      Quote: Vrungel78
      Is the created Customs Union neither a soft alternative to what was promised?

      Not. The customs union is only the first stage of unification. Therefore, it is especially a pity that Ukraine is late for this first rung.
      1. windjoker
        windjoker 1 October 2013 20: 01
        0
        Another thing is interesting: in comments, Ukraine is no longer called as part of the new Union Union ... This is like a fait accompli of Ukraine’s association with the EU hi
      2. Essenger
        Essenger 2 October 2013 10: 11
        +2
        Quote: ben gun
        Customs Union - only the first stage of unification


        TS is an amorphous formation that must be eliminated. I hope we get out of there soon.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 1 October 2013 09: 06
    +3
    Those who have tasted "freedom and independence" are unlikely to want to obey anyone, while the TS is preserved and developed. hi
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 1 October 2013 09: 48
      -4
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Taste "freedom and independence


      plus petrodollars ... and property ..
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      unlikely to want to obey anyone

      Of course !!!!! which one wants to share ....
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      TS save and develop

      there is only a place for underdeveloped countries such as Tajikistan or Armenia ....
      1. El13
        El13 1 October 2013 14: 35
        +8
        Quote: smersh70
        there is only a place for underdeveloped countries,

        You are our highly developed one, when some supreme power comes to its tail, which finds its vital interests (liquid, for example), then remember about Russia.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 1 October 2013 16: 54
          -1
          Quote: El13
          You are our highly developed


          Yes, my friend, yes !!!!!!! 60bn. Reserve. And plus eze 300bn. Underground !!!
          when some superpower comes to the tail that finds your vital interests (liquid, for example),
          it seems to you that it’s not only bad in geography, but also in history it seems)) --- --- we have been producing oil for a long time laughing and here the United States and England and Russia peacefully coexist !!!!!! everyone has their own interest on the contract !!!!!
          1. El13
            El13 1 October 2013 19: 19
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            ... they get along peacefully ...

            Well, what can I say ... blessed is he who believes ... by the way, you threw a reproach to history here, apparently, you know it well, then you won’t tell me how long these countries have been coexisting, and then think about how long they will coexist, by the way about Iran, remember, the country will be stronger (no offense).
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 2 October 2013 20: 40
              +1
              Quote: El13
              How long have these countries coexisted,


              for a long time ... if you take the USSR-anti-Hitler coalition .... Helsinki ... and if you take Russia, then Afghanistan ... and a little bit of events in Yugoslavia .... cooperation in the G-8, in the G-20 .... and Iran is not very yes, remember the ban on the sale of S-300 to Iran ... and now cooperation in Syria on chemical weapons ...
      2. Natalia
        Natalia 1 October 2013 16: 26
        +5
        Quote: smersh70
        there is only a place for underdeveloped countries such as Tajikistan or Armenia ....

        ... well, why then ...wink highly developed Azerbaijan, we also invite. We will be glad to see our good old neighbors as part of our common union. smile
        Let's.... wink let us)))))
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 1 October 2013 16: 42
          0
          Quote: Natalia
          Azerbaijan, we also invite. We will be glad to see our good old neighbors as part of our common union


          Azerbaijanis are smart and wise people, I hope they will pass this "union"
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 1 October 2013 16: 52
            +1
            Quote: Essenger
            Azerbaijanis people are smart and wise

            Well, in this part I agree
            Quote: Essenger
            I hope they pass this "union"

            but here I don’t understand skepticism ... is it really that you do not like Russians with Belarusians?
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 1 October 2013 16: 56
              +1
              Us i.e. This union did not bring any benefit to Kazakhstan, but some reasons for integration such as a common border and transit of goods can still be pulled. Although my personal opinion: in the form in which it exists, this union is completely disadvantageous to my country. At the same time, I respect the Russian and Belarusian people.

              But why is this for Azerbaijan?
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 1 October 2013 17: 22
                +3
                Quote: Zymran
                Although my personal opinion: in the form in which it exists, this union is completely disadvantageous to my country. At the same time, I respect the Russian and Belarusian people.
                But why is this for Azerbaijan?

                And you see, for that we all need, dear comrade, to have our fingers in our fists. If the fingers are in the fist, then no one will offend you, because they will be afraid that the bubo fist will do it, and it will hurt. And there will be fingers one at a time, not in a fist, bad uncles will come, how I begin to break my fingers, how they begin to take away all our wealth, destroy your houses, kill your children, arrange civil wars with "moderate opposition" ... how we all roar, and then it will become clear to us what .... how did you write there?
                Quote: Zymran
                This union did not bring any benefit to Kazakhstan,
                and then it will become clear to all of us what benefit this union would bring to us ....
                Well kaaaaak? Cool story I told you)))))
                Ay yes I .....
                The tale of course is a lie .... yes there is a hint in it! Good fellows, LESSON!
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 1 October 2013 17: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Natalia
                  Well kaaaaak? Cool story I told you)))))
                  Ay yes I .....
                  The tale of course is a lie .... yes there is a hint in it! Good fellows, LESSON!


                  I'm certainly not a sexist and for gender equality. But it would not hurt you to take the advice of an experienced
                  1. Natalia
                    Natalia 1 October 2013 17: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Essenger
                    But it would not hurt you to take the advice of an experienced

                    what advice?
          2. Drummer
            Drummer 1 October 2013 18: 02
            +2
            Yes, there’s no need for a lot of mind, everyone who has at least some freedom of maneuver is fleeing from the vehicle like from fire.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 1 October 2013 16: 46
          +2
          Do we need it ??????????????????????
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 1 October 2013 16: 58
          +4
          Let's.... wink let us))))) [/ quote]

          Thank you !!!! I think I’ll make friends with you anyway)))))) .. and thanks to the alliance, but there is an invader who occupied 20% of our territory ... how can we get along with him)). It’s better to have bilateral and mutually beneficial contracts with all countries !!!!!!!
        4. xetai9977
          xetai9977 1 October 2013 18: 04
          +2
          An alliance with someone ceased to be relevant for us on January 20, 1990.
        5. alone
          alone 1 October 2013 21: 28
          +3
          Quote: Natalia
          ... nuuuuuu, why, why ... we also invite highly developed Azerbaijan. We will be glad to see our good old neighbors as part of our common union.
          Come on .... come on to us)))))


          do not! there are too many parasites in such unions! we have enough of our own! there is nothing to feed other people's parasites. and it is possible to develop with bilateral cooperation
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 1 October 2013 16: 45
        +1
        Sorry, do not take it as an insult, but when your ancestors went wild in the vastness of Asia, Armenia was a state, which it still is.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 1 October 2013 16: 59
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Armenia was a state, which it still is.


          Oh well !! read the story better, only not Armenian authors ....)))))
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 1 October 2013 17: 28
            0
            Vurgun, what’s wrong? When there was Great Armenia, the Azerbaijanis didn’t mention the nation, the Türks agreed, but the Azerbaijanis are probably not 100% Türks, there are many Iranian peoples in your nation.
            You can be understood as "love" to Armenia because of Karabakh, probably the question would have been solved long ago, but Russia, as a "bone in the throat", will obviously not give up Armenia.
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 1 October 2013 18: 10
              +2
              Russia Russia as a bone in the throat will not surrender Armenia
              And then you wonder why we don’t want to be in a common union with you? and you are proud of the support of the occupier, who occupied the lands of the country, the territorial integrity of which Russia itself recognizes?
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 1 October 2013 18: 38
                +1
                Everything is actually very complicated, especially Karabakh
                This is a big policy, it’s just that in your case it turns out anyhow with someone but not with Russia, but if specifically it turns out against it (Russia).
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 1 October 2013 18: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: RUSS
                  but if specifically it turns out against her (Russia).


                  That's why in Russia they are buying weapons for billions of dollars!
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 1 October 2013 19: 20
                    +1
                    Buying a weapon is not an indicator.
                    If the product is price-quality, then why not buy.
                    We buy boats from NATO-France, and drones from Israel and? There are many examples.
                2. alone
                  alone 1 October 2013 21: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Everything is actually very complicated, especially Karabakh
                  This is a big policy, it’s just that in your case it turns out anyhow with someone but not with Russia, but if specifically it turns out against it (Russia).


                  to support the occupier and invite us to her as it does not fit.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 2 October 2013 09: 11
                    0
                    They don’t invite you especially, it’s clear that because of Karabakh, Azerbaijan will not join the CSTO and the EAC, it is bad or good for me to decide, but personally I would be pleasantly surprised by the entry of Azerbaijan. in the Eurasian Union.
        2. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 1 October 2013 17: 54
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Sorry, do not take it as an insult, but when your ancestors went wild in the vastness of Asia, Armenia was a state, which it still is.



          And then how many centuries as a state did not exist?
  • RussianRu
    RussianRu 1 October 2013 09: 12
    +2
    Unity of people is the best reason for unification of states. Then think about architecture in the style of "bottom up"

    The foundation can be made only by a socially oriented state, where education and medicine are free, salaries of employees (in any field) should be approximately equal. If there is a minimum wage, there should be a limit and a maximum. Unmeasured personal income can only be; from business owners and authors of something.
    1. chaban13
      chaban13 1 October 2013 14: 19
      +4
      The foundation should be an IDEA. Large, powerful, with a solid philosophical foundation and definitely forming a worldview. Orthodoxy used to be such an idea, then communism (we will not argue whether they are right or wrong). While there is no such idea, all interstate entities in the territory of the former USSR will be artificial and nonviable.
      1. El13
        El13 1 October 2013 14: 43
        +4
        The power of Russia was in the unity of diversity, i.e. in the common house, everyone could save their piece of culture, I think, somewhere nearby you have to dig ...
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 1 October 2013 09: 26
    +6
    We are still very far from a union. We need to restore order, really fight corruption, capital outflows, theft, the 5th column, raise the standard of living, establish equality before the law, etc., only then all the neighbors will line up themselves. now we have only arguments about economic benefits and a game of national feelings, but all this is not enough, they are drawn to those who are successful, strong is the main thing.
    1. El13
      El13 1 October 2013 14: 45
      +1
      The goals that you have listed can go forever and perfection will never be achieved, so this is not an argument. And the value of joining the Cossacks and Belarusians is that they did not wait for it to be joining paradise ... something like that.
  • zav
    zav 1 October 2013 09: 40
    0
    Is this alliance needed?

    proza.ru/2013/01/25/1423
  • Essenger
    Essenger 1 October 2013 09: 44
    +1
    If they give me such a passport, I will throw it away or burn it.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. T80UM1
      T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 10
      +1
      color is certainly not ice ... I personally like my new format ID. Passport - the last century ...
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 1 October 2013 14: 54
        +2
        It would be interesting to read the comment that was deleted. Anyone remember what he wrote?
    3. El13
      El13 1 October 2013 14: 48
      +1
      Quote: Essenger
      If they give me such a passport, I will throw it away or burn it.

      Why is it so difficult, just say that you are against unification ... or did you not like the color of the book?
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 1 October 2013 15: 04
        +2
        There are supporters, there are opponents, each has its own position. 100% approved will never be.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 October 2013 09: 45
    12
    Anyone will have to unite. Otherwise, they will "trample" both economically and politically. Eurasia is too tidbit (stuffed with natural resources and virgin nature ..) "Managed house" is not in vain raging so far only on our borders.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 1 October 2013 10: 04
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Otherwise, they will "trample" both economically and politically


      Vitaly, good morning, you will always see external enemies! drinks yes they will not trample .. you have a vigorous bomb and minerals .... you just need to use all this wisely and that's it .......
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 1 October 2013 11: 09
        +5
        Quote: smersh70
        Vitaly, good morning, you will always see external enemies! drinks do not trample .. you have a vigorous bomb and minerals .... you just need to use all this wisely and that's it .......


        And with all kinds of extremists, fundamentalists, terrorists, saboteurs, saboteurs, saboteurs, collaborators, traitors to the Motherland and other bandits and freedom fighters, gingerbread and happiness of penguins in the Arctic, too, "vigorous bonboy" and fossils to fight?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 1 October 2013 11: 57
          +1
          Quote: IS-80
          fundamentalists, terrorists, wreckers, saboteurs, saboteurs, collaborators, traitors to the motherland and other bandits

          inspired by the year 37 ....... smile
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 1 October 2013 12: 09
            +4
            Quote: smersh70
            Quote: IS-80
            fundamentalists, terrorists, wreckers, saboteurs, saboteurs, collaborators, traitors to the motherland and other bandits

            inspired by the year 37 ....... smile


            Unfortunately, today it seems that there are only more of them all.
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 1 October 2013 15: 06
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        you just have to use it all wisely and that's it .......

        Remember the cartoon about Matroskin:
        - Do you have enough funds?
        - We have enough funds. We do not have enough mind ...
    2. Bekzat
      Bekzat 1 October 2013 11: 43
      +3
      I agree with Meehan !!!
    3. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra 1 October 2013 13: 10
      11
      You are speaking the truth. I will remind the patriots. Those who first united are victorious. Remember Mongolia - when Genghis Khan took autocracy - how she defeated all the unified lands of China, Russia, Kazakhstan - and all!
      Remember Germany - later it was united in Europe - as a result, they were left without vast territories, they had to unleash belated wars.
      Remember the USSR - everyone was afraid, everyone respected.
      It doesn’t matter to me what language my children will speak, it matters to me that they speak.
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 1 October 2013 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: Ram Chandra
        It doesn’t matter to me what language my children will speak, it matters to me that they speak.

        Golden words, however.
  • os9165
    os9165 1 October 2013 10: 02
    0
    Based on this, there is only one way out for building a full-fledged Eurasian Union. And this way out consists in the need for our heads to pass an important thought through themselves: it will definitely not work out from above. - I think it's unlikely to work. We return to the USSR then the triumvirate (Putin-Lukashenko-Nazarbayev) on the sidelines, and if you build from the bottom, people will say to many: "who are you, let’s go bye” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZrGyySwmbM. That's it. Do the elites need this? Better to be the head of a fly than the tail of an elephant. But I also want to live.
  • andruha70
    andruha70 1 October 2013 10: 36
    +2
    Based on this, there is only one way out for building a full-fledged Eurasian Union.
    and this is USSR 2.0 ... fellow Enough already - to beat around the bush ... enough of it already - in these little spools, called capitalism and democracy ... fool like it or not, there is no other way ... what
    1. Bekzat
      Bekzat 1 October 2013 11: 47
      +5
      for Andryukha, I think that Russia, Kazakhstan, even Belarus, and the CA countries in general do not need democracy, for centuries we only had one person at the helm, and not a crowd of senators in both Ancient Greece and Rome, we think to another
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 1 October 2013 12: 58
        -2
        In ancient Greece there was not a crowd of senators, but one Pericles, and it was a democracy.
  • Gato
    Gato 1 October 2013 10: 48
    +8
    The unity of people is the best reason for the unity of states. The question is different - will they let me go to this unity? Is it in the interests of supreme politicians?

    Yes, there will be no unification from above.
    Everyone understands perfectly well that the business clans of the Russian Federation do not seek to unite peoples - they just need new spheres of control and influence. Naturally, their "colleagues" from Kazakhstan will not agree to this (voluntarily), nor will Lukashenko.
    1. Normal
      Normal 1 October 2013 14: 34
      +3
      Quote: Gato
      Yes, there will be no unification from above.
      Everyone understands that the business clans of the Russian Federation do not seek to unite peoples - they just need new spheres of control and influence.

      I will support. It is the material interest of the Russian business community that is behind the idea of ​​Euro-Asia. But since his shirt is closer to his body, no one except the Russian business elites needs this. Neither Lukashenko nor Nazarbayev. When united, they will inevitably have to sacrifice some of their sovereignty, and they don’t need it.
      Putin understands this very well, but since public relations, blowing dust, show-offs and cheeks are much more important for him than politics, why not earn political dividends and raise your rating among the electorate even on a deliberately unrealizable idea?
      Unification into a single community is possible only when there is no other way of existence. Or then, when unification with Russia will be so attractive that it will cover all the disadvantages of losing sovereignty. Until then, all the talk about Eurasianism is just PR and propaganda
      1. Gato
        Gato 1 October 2013 15: 08
        +2
        Quote: Normal
        Or then, when unification with Russia will be so attractive that it will block all the disadvantages of losing sovereignty

        And in this case, will Russia need this?
        1. Normal
          Normal 1 October 2013 17: 13
          +1
          Quote: Gato

          And in this case, will Russia need this?


          That is the point.
        2. Normal
          Normal 1 October 2013 17: 14
          0
          Quote: Gato

          And in this case, will Russia need this?


          That is the point.
  • KOH
    KOH 1 October 2013 11: 09
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    If they give me such a passport, I will throw it away or burn it.


    And who chose this color ?, it smells like a provocation ...
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 11: 29
      +1
      Probably the author painted in Photoshop.
  • turan_up
    turan_up 1 October 2013 11: 38
    +5
    Everyone talks about common cultural traditions, about leaders, about money and property. And NOBODY says that individually we are very easy to soak. Arrange for us an "Arab spring", but simply suppress economically. The question must be posed - or we will soon unite, as closely as possible, and hold out - or we will be crushed. We are all united by the OST plan - the complete extermination of the peoples of our countries, after the fall of the states.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 1 October 2013 13: 00
      0
      In the USSR, we were not separately, but we were "soaked", as you put it.
  • individual
    individual 1 October 2013 11: 39
    +3
    The peoples may understand that the strength is in unity, and the elite has not yet "gorged" on independence and will not allow the merger of states under one umbrella.
    Customs, economics, the military sphere in the association are allowed with reservations, and each of the entities will not hand over the real levers of power and financial flows from their own hands to general use.
    The time has not come yet.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 1 October 2013 11: 53
      +1
      I wonder when it will come? How much things should get worse so that our so-called elites (and the question is whether ours?) Began to unite the country back.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 11: 41
    +2
    Quote: Essenger
    If they give me such a passport, I will throw it away or burn it.

    The personal right of each person, and it’s better to eat, film on camera and in YouTube.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 1 October 2013 13: 01
      0
      I thought a passport is the property of the state and it must be preserved. At least it is written in my passport for me.
  • vahatak
    vahatak 1 October 2013 11: 49
    -1
    it's all done for public relations, and Putin wrote an article before the election. The ambitions of leaders will never allow the creation of something supranational.
  • waisson
    waisson 1 October 2013 11: 51
    +6
    passport passport, although dumb, but need to be united in unity and cooperation, the strength of our industry is tied together and the only way out is to restore everything that broke Amer’s democracy
  • ed65b
    ed65b 1 October 2013 12: 17
    0
    Kazakhs will soon write in Latin. which union? only the threat of destruction will force them to seek the protection and patronage of Russia. Local princes will never give up damned pits, Urus - finances and bowels. so the community will die safely as soon as dad Nazarbayev dies and Lukashenko and Putin leave. And with it the amorphous CSTO. One SCO will remain there, China, here the Turks bow to them and break.
    1. Bekzat
      Bekzat 1 October 2013 12: 22
      +5
      for Eduard, whether they will write it or not, this is still an unresolved issue, but while the majority of the population of Kazakhstan speaks and writes in Russian, and the census with state bodies is conducted in Russian, the Russian classes are increasing, this year I gave my daughter to the Russian class in my native school, so there over the last 10 years there is a record, 6 Russians and only 3 Kazakh classes, and this can be said to be in the south of Kazakhstan. And my opinion is that they still will not introduce Latin.
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 44
      +2
      Why should we give you finances and mineral resources?
      1. El13
        El13 1 October 2013 15: 26
        +4
        Quote: Zymran
        Why should we give you finances and mineral resources?

        We analyze by syllables:
        "why do we need" - do you personally own the subsoil? do you have your own mine? or your own bank (central)?
        "give to you" - to whom? to me? or to my neighbor?
        "finance and mineral resources" - this part should belong to the state (the association of people - the people, no matter how ridiculous it sounds), and so, these can be small principalities and each of them will own a piece, but the possibilities of such a principality will be small, or maybe belong to one big state (USSR), and then it will be possible to launch ships into space ... And what's the difference where the capital will be, of course, we are talking about Moscow, but I would build a new capital somewhere in Siberia.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 1 October 2013 15: 31
          +2
          It was a replica of the statement. ed65b

          Quote: El13
          to, but the possibilities of such a princedom will be small, and may belong to one big state (USSR), and then it will be possible to launch ships into space ...


          We (Russia and Kazakhstan) are already launching spacecraft. I would like something more tangible and useful for the citizens of my country.
          1. El13
            El13 1 October 2013 16: 33
            +2
            Quote: Zymran
            We (Russia and Kazakhstan) are already launching spacecraft ...

            Well, how Russia launches in comparison with the USSR, we all know well, but I don’t want to offend the Kazakhs ...
            So the question of tangibility and usefulness: launches into space, missiles on alert, underwater missile carriers, long-range aviation and other troubles, such as science and technology, is needed so that we can continue to sense kindergartens, pensions and other ordinary attributes of statehood, and not they would have lost them overnight like the Libyans, or had they never had them like the Nigerians, or they would have had to stick to one of the centers of power and use its protection and lick-lick-lick. Tell me, when you were part of the Union, did you consider yourself second-class people? I don’t remember this, and now a lot of Russian cattle are swearing at Uzbeks and Tajiks because they have to come to Russia and hunch over pennies. But Tajikistan is independent! There will be a Eurasian Union - there will be tangible things, not immediately, the more education, the more difficult it is to manage, but there are much more opportunities.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 1 October 2013 21: 01
              +3
              Quote: El13
              . Tell me, when you were part of the Union, did you consider yourself second-class people?

              I’m talking in Kazakh on public transport in Kazakhstan with a friend, my aunt, a Slavic girl, turns and says, stop talking here, speak humanly, all Kazakhs had a similar or similar situation. In the Baltics they told me that they could not serve at the store if I asked in Russian on the contrary, they could not serve us if I asked in Kazakh. In my opinion, the National Academy of Sciences recently correctly said that there would be no union if there would be an infringement of independence. I don’t want my grandchildren to be told not to speak but speak human language.
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 2 October 2013 07: 03
                0
                You are not registered at the center of gravity? This case has already been raised by one user.
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 2 October 2013 15: 09
                  +3
                  no. such a case could happen to any Kazakh who spoke Kazakh in any city. I said this or something similar in Shymkent and Almaty and Tselinograd.
                  1. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu 2 October 2013 15: 35
                    +5
                    Quote: Semurg
                    no. such a case could happen to any Kazakh who spoke Kazakh in any city. I said this or something similar in Shymkent and Almaty and Tselinograd.
                    I confirm that such cases were widespread in Kazakhstan. Let me give you a particular example. A dentist at KSU (cost state university) said that when he was studying in Karaganda and a friend came to her dormitory and they began to speak Kazakh, the commandant came up and said to speak "Kazakh". It is clear that such cases actually warmed up the notorious "Kazakh nationalism". I would at least somehow understand if such cases took place, for example, in Voronezh or Samara ... but it was in Kazakhstan itself and therefore it was extremely painful for the Kazakhs ...
                    1. Alibekulu
                      Alibekulu 2 October 2013 20: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      the commandant came up and said to speak "Kazakh".
                      I clarify - a typo, the commandant came up and said to speak in "normal" language.
                      1. T80UM1
                        T80UM1 3 October 2013 11: 50
                        0
                        All this, of course, is understandable, and unpleasant, but there was a case when a Kazakh stewardess on the plane answered with errors and the zakamakim kicked her for it ... Why should one be flawed in the first place to kick a woman unfamiliar, and secondly because of such a case ... And this is the official representative of the authorities, moreover, the local authorities also justify him. The true representative of the frostbitten dolbans (my word)
                      2. El13
                        El13 4 October 2013 12: 25
                        0
                        All the issues discussed above are issues of the cultural development of specific individuals, we must work to increase the overall cultural level, as universal literacy, and that’s all. Now in St. Petersburg I constantly hear southern speech on the street, in the store, and I take it quite calmly; before, it was a curiosity that I really paid attention to it (my own), it was not usual and it cut my ears, but now I got used to it and accepted it.
      2. bear
        bear 1 October 2013 20: 51
        +1
        Yeah, I would also move the capital, and made Moscow a museum smile
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 13
    0
    well, the latin is a lesser evil than godfathers from crime who work according to concepts ...
  • atomic
    atomic 1 October 2013 12: 41
    +8
    Everything has been united for a long time, just not the way people want. Exsson Mobile, Eni, British Petroleum, BP Morgan, successfully pump oil and gas from both Russia and Kazakhstan. There is such a definition of "supranational financial elites", the key word " supranational. "And now the test; in Venezuela, Iran, gasoline costs a few cents, and in Russia and Kazakhstan a whole dollar, the question is, how are these countries different?
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 47
      +4
      Do you think there was another way out in the 90 years? Sorry, but it was an inevitable evil.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 06
      +5
      Well done Kazakhs, great comments! good
    3. ed65b
      ed65b 1 October 2013 18: 27
      +2
      Quote: atomic
      Everything has been united for a long time, just not the way people want. Exsson Mobile, Eni, British Petroleum, BP Morgan, successfully pump oil and gas from both Russia and Kazakhstan. There is such a definition of "supranational financial elites", the key word " supranational. "And now the test; in Venezuela, Iran, gasoline costs a few cents, and in Russia and Kazakhstan a whole dollar, the question is, how are these countries different?

      Quote: atomic
      Everything has been united for a long time, just not the way people want. Exsson Mobile, Eni, British Petroleum, BP Morgan, successfully pump oil and gas from both Russia and Kazakhstan. There is such a definition of "supranational financial elites", the key word " supranational. "And now the test; in Venezuela, Iran, gasoline costs a few cents, and in Russia and Kazakhstan a whole dollar, the question is, how are these countries different?

      they pump from you, and in our country they are sent by the forest, and have long been assimilated into Russian companies with a minimal degree of influence.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 1 October 2013 21: 06
        +3
        let them shake. what difference is the color of the cat the main thing that would catch mice (the negotiated interest was deducted to the state)
  • Altona
    Altona 1 October 2013 12: 47
    +5
    As for the passport photo, this is a kind of substrate, a squeeze out of Soviet symbols ... It is better to enter the source code - the Soviet passport ... As for the essence of the questions expressed in the article, people do not speak out against the currency as such, in the end it does not matter what to pay off with candy wrappers, people are scared that the elite of the "other" state will undermine the interests of the "younger" brother, buy up production, bring in guest workers, in general, it will rather project its shortcomings than advantages ... Second, how will this colossus be managed? Czar-General Secretary or Allied Politburo? It seems like we've been through this already ...
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      people are scared that the elite of the "other" state will undermine the interests of the "younger" brother, buy up production, bring in guest workers, in general, they will rather project their shortcomings than their advantages ..


      Absolutely.

      Quote: Altona
      Second, how will this colossus be controlled? Secretary General or Union Politburo? It seems to have passed this already ...


      And this is also a very serious question.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 13: 51
    0
    Quote: Bekzat
    in Kazakhstan, Russians speak Kazakh, Koreans speak Kazakh, and many others also speak Kazakh (I am ashamed, but many speak better), and nothing. There is Khabar, there are local channels, regional, which broadcast both in Kazakh and in Russian.

    Well, you’ve bent it, not all Kazakhs speak Kazakh.
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 1 October 2013 14: 31
      +1
      In Kyzylorda, this is so; it is difficult to make distinctions among the local population, except in appearance ...
  • general
    general 1 October 2013 15: 05
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    Kazakhs are closer to me personally than the same Ukrainians from Western Ukraine.

    it is understandable
    http://vesti.ua/blogs/blog-ivana-davydova/157-neischislimye-prestuplenija-ukrain
    cev
  • Cuban
    Cuban 1 October 2013 16: 44
    0
    And what some color do not like?
    And if I say that this color is called INDIGO, how is Be so thickly hinting, will your attitude change?
  • NOMAD
    NOMAD 1 October 2013 17: 01
    +6
    Dear calm down! The Latin alphabet in Kazakhstan was already introduced under the Soviet regime in the late 30s 1 Before that they wrote in Arabic script! There is nothing kromolny there! But then they transferred to the Cyrillic alphabet! The fact is that when the Latin alphabet was introduced in Turkey and Kazakhstan, the literacy of the local population was very low! Therefore, it was easy to introduce due to lightweight courses! And now the literacy of the population is much higher and it will be more difficult to enter! For example, in Uzbekistan, the circulation of once popular newspapers fell significantly! Because the main population has stopped reading! Because it is uninteresting, difficult, we need to relearn! We must also take this into account! And in Kazakhstan it will be a feeding trough for all kinds of scientists, and money laundering of various academics with officials! As for Russia, it’s a neighbor! And you won’t get anywhere! But as they say; GOOD NEIGHBOR BETTER FROM THE LONGER RELATIVE!
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 18: 06
    +1
    Quote: ayyildiz
    Quote: RUSS
    Sorry, do not take it as an insult, but when your ancestors went wild in the vastness of Asia, Armenia was a state, which it still is.



    And then how many centuries as a state did not exist?

    So what ? And over these centuries, they have neither denied faith nor their own language, they have preserved their traditions and customs. For this alone you have respect for this people, which has come down to our times from Antiquity itself, and now has its own statehood.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 1 October 2013 18: 18
      +4
      Quote: RUSS
      which has come down to our times since Antiquity itself.


      May the Turks be grateful that they have been preserved for more than 1000 years!

      And so all of Adam and Eve came to our times!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 October 2013 18: 33
        0
        Special thanks to the Turks from the Armenians for the 1914 year!
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 1 October 2013 18: 40
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          Special thanks to the Turks from the Armenians for the 1914 year!


          And 527.000 Turks that they killed as always silent?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 2 October 2013 09: 14
            0
            527000 Turks, but can you be more specific? I'm serious.
            Is it in the 1st World?
  • Luga
    Luga 1 October 2013 18: 35
    +5
    Good day to all.
    Something I don’t see much activity of Belarusians on this branch, their point of view would be interesting.
    Thanks to the Kazakhs for their activity and sincerity, I looked at some things in a new way.
    Cyrillic or Latin - choose for those who will use this script. I would like only to be chosen not for political reasons, but for ease of use, matching the language. And then last year we went to Montenegro, now they introduced the Latin alphabet. On the coast, you rarely see the Cyrillic alphabet. But in the mountains everything is our way, a translation is not needed. smile In a small monastery in the mountains I talked with the priest - he is in Serbian, I am in Russian, they understood each other, so he said that the introduction of the Latin alphabet was needed only to enter Europe, and for the residents - sheer inconvenience.
    As for the prospects for creating the Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan alliance, I personally favor it. Without going into the analysis of economic, political and other aspects of the unification (it seems to me that there are more positive aspects, after all), I will just be pleased to realize that we have become more, we have become stronger.
    Lukashenko, Nazarbayev and Putin-will leave at the same time. Well, plus or minus. An excellent prerequisite for a new era of unification to begin with their departure.
    "Better to be the head of a fly than ... oh, an elephant" is good only and exclusively for those who are the head of this very fly, that is. units, the political elite. The rest must choose to be the back of an elephant or a fly. I would still choose an elephant.
    Next-generation politicians will
    1. SergBrNord
      SergBrNord 2 October 2013 00: 10
      0
      At the current moment of history, nothing will come of it. Alas, this is a bitter truth. crying
  • Luga
    Luga 1 October 2013 18: 37
    0
    Sorry, the last line jumped out by accident belay
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 October 2013 18: 58
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Otherwise, they will "trample" both economically and politically


    Vitaly, good morning, you will always see external enemies! drinks yes they will not trample .. you have a vigorous bomb and minerals .... you just need to use all this wisely and that's it .......

    Alas, our nuclear weapons will not save us .. And oil and gas .. (unless we close the iron curtain, which is unlikely .. !!! And how do you say "use all this wisely" for us (or rather the top of power ..) in 80- 90s offered .. once (what were the demonic dances on the bones ... euphoria) Now they want to repeat again, but only after dividing all of us and playing off in a mortal battle to the applause and grinning smiles of a certain circle of "comrades" .. EURASIA will survive only by uniting (to begin with, just agreements on mutual military assistance in which case ..) And on economic issues, etc. we will agree .. Hard times are coming (Medvedev is laying straw for himself .. The states of civil servants on vacation sent (maybe ours too ..? ?)) That's it..
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 October 2013 20: 15
    +1
    Quote: Natalia
    Hello comrades!)
    Today I learned about the possible future flag of the EAC. And you know, I liked fellow .
    ... I will post it on this, I want you to appreciate it too. smile

    Perhaps something like this will sooner or later unite Eurasia .. It’s such a multinational conglomerate with a powerful Army and Economy .. common (but at the same time with a developed national culture and traditions .. its own nation and peoples ..) and its currency and its Army of course ..h, dreams, dreams (((
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 1 October 2013 20: 19
    +3
    "Hetman Doroshenko became especially famous in this disgusting thirtieth birthday ... he offered to annex Ukraine to Turkey, and when even the nearest foreman could not resist and asked:
    "- Daddy, you sho, zihav gluzdu?! ..", - he explained:
    "- If you join Ukraine to a consanguineous, one-believing, single-lingual Russia, then very soon it will completely merge with it - and will not need either a separate hetman or a separate foreman. - then it will forever remain separate and will always need independent rulers ... "
    So, our current rulers (Wasserman continues) are acting according to the recipe of Hetman Doroshenko ... "
    http://archive.censor.net.ua/go/viewTopic--id--333737
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 1 October 2013 21: 03
    +7
    Such a union with such Natsiks. I used to think the TS was good, but how the prices took off, the opinion changed. I read the comments of some Russians early to unite us, you have imperial ways.
    1. Sour
      Sour 1 October 2013 23: 10
      +2
      Why do we have to unite? Let's be friends. Personally, I think so.
      And about "imperial manners" is not necessary. This is all internet chatter, but most Russians (and other peoples of Russia) do not need a foreign land, they have enough of their own. We live normally. And I sympathize with the fact that prices have skyrocketed. But this is definitely not from the TS, here I'm sure. Because competition and an open market never lead to higher prices, but vice versa. This is due to some of your internal problems. The habit of blaming everything on Russia is no better than "imperial manners."
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 2 October 2013 09: 18
      0
      Do not rush to the conclusion, but about the manners, what is bad in the Empire? Today's Russia and Kazakhstan are democratic republics, is it better and easier to live in the republic?
      W. Churchill said, "Democracy is certainly bad, but so far nothing has been invented better", can we all come up with a "democratic empire"?
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 2 October 2013 09: 30
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        can we all come up with a "democratic empire"?


        Come up with what you want but without us.
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 1 October 2013 21: 37
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    Kazakhs are closer to me personally than the same Ukrainians from Western Ukraine.

    Have you been to western Ukraine? Or do you know about this region only from your media? Judging by your post, then most likely the second. If so, it is very sad that the inhabitants of Russia have degraded so much, a lot of vodka with beer every night, plus watching the Russia1 channel, this is not good for the development of the brain.
    1. Sour
      Sour 1 October 2013 22: 56
      +2
      It was in the western, and eastern, and southern, and in Kiev. My opinion is that I am for good-neighborly bilateral relations. And mutually beneficial at the same time. But somehow it does not pull together. That does not pull, and that's it. Because I never need it, like most people in Russia.
      http://zn.ua/politics/obedinitsya-v-odno-gosudarstvo-hotyat-15-ukraincev-i-rossi
      yan-124629_.html
      And your vodka and beer are eaten no less than ours. Rather the opposite. Beetroot moonshine too ("buryachikha", as my Poltava friend recommended it to me). The muck is rare, but they drink in Ukraine ...
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 2 October 2013 09: 26
      0
      Alexander is personally for you, I have a father-in-law with Vinnitsa region, and one of the best friends from Kiev.
      As for beer with vodka, it’s no longer relevant, your passage is more suitable for a Westerner or a journalist of the Air Force or CNN. And besides the channel Russia 1 there is also REN TV, and of course, INTERNET.
      And please, less rudeness, otherwise the brain will degrade, any negative information you have, directly affects you and your brain.
  • alone
    alone 1 October 2013 21: 41
    +6
    but who needs alliances, where the same countries sit and discuss. What specific matters were involved in the CU, ODKB and other unions. We met, ate and drank, and that's all. And the specific efficiency from these unions is practically 0. It’s better to develop bilateral relations. and yet, when creating alliances, one must take into account what the states that are going to create an alliance will offer each other.
  • NOMAD
    NOMAD 1 October 2013 21: 52
    +3
    And with whom is it friends in the post-Soviet space? With the Uzbeks? So they are there on their own mind! Karimov imagines himself to be an emir, lives according to the Soviet system, but he thinks it is Uzbek capitalism with a human face! Along the way, there, the Uzbeks are satisfied with such stuffies! The Kyrgyz people make revolutions every year, they change presidents like gloves! Not a country but a whisper! It’s unrealistic to make friends with the Chinese! Xerox people! Any competitor, any country, any economy will be crushed! Still, 2 billion is a force! Against 17 million Kazakhstan and 140 million Russia! Once a Chinese leader asked the Kazakh: How many people are in your country? 17 million! - There was an answer, Oooh !!!! - He exclaimed -Yes, there you are a friend -Friend in person know !!!!
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 1 October 2013 21: 56
      +4
      No one argues that it is necessary to be friends with the Russian Federation.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 October 2013 22: 11
    +2
    Quote: Kazbek
    Such a union with such Natsiks. I used to think the TS was good, but how the prices took off, the opinion changed. I read the comments of some Russians early to unite us, you have imperial ways.

    These are myths! It’s just that we have a good historical memory .. As soon as blood begins to break up, the river pours and then they climb on all sides and make money and rob it with impunity .. We will unite the yapping from behind the hill .. Now they again clang their teeth around ..! Imperial manners are to Anglo-Saxons. . (they never even hide it ..) We just want to survive as a multinational country and to defend ourselves together is easier just ... that’s all ..
  • Alex666
    Alex666 2 October 2013 04: 00
    +1
    The creation of this union is just an expression of Russia's imperial ambitions. None of this will succeed, and if it succeeds (subject to strict pressure from the Russian Federation on the CIS countries than the Russian Federation does not disdain), then only Russia will be a good judge. And what is the use of it? In terms of consolidating your sphere of influence? Again, what influence? Only energy and all. In terms of economics. Well, here again - Russia in most industries lags behind the West, therefore, selling energy to the CIS countries at reduced prices, and only in this way they can agree to enter into an alliance with Russia, Russia will lose a lot of money. So a clear picture develops - only political interest, nothing more.
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  • RUSS
    RUSS 2 October 2013 09: 28
    0
    Quote: Alex666
    The creation of this union is just an expression of Russia's imperial ambitions. None of this will succeed, and if it succeeds (subject to strict pressure from the Russian Federation on the CIS countries than the Russian Federation does not disdain), then only Russia will be a good judge. And what is the use of it? In terms of consolidating your sphere of influence? Again, what influence? Only energy and all. In terms of economics. Well, here again - Russia in most industries lags behind the West, therefore, selling energy to the CIS countries at reduced prices, and only in this way they can agree to enter into an alliance with Russia, Russia will lose a lot of money. So a clear picture develops - only political interest, nothing more.

    Everything will work out with us, it already turns out - slowly but surely, envy silently.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 2 October 2013 10: 17
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: RUSS
    can we all come up with a "democratic empire"?


    Come up with what you want but without us.

    Late, you are already with us, whether you like it or not.
    Everything is very simple, it is difficult for the 15 millionth Kazakhstan to remain without the influence of Russia, of course, for you, ideally, unification in the Turkic Union, but I'm afraid the train has left, now only with Russia and Belarus. Nazarbayev rushes between the USA, Turkey, China and Russia, and we will completely drag you into the EAC
  • NOMAD
    NOMAD 2 October 2013 11: 08
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: RUSS
    can we all come up with a "democratic empire"?


    Come up with what you want but without us.

    Late, you are already with us, whether you like it or not.
    Everything is very simple, it is difficult for the 15 millionth Kazakhstan to remain without the influence of Russia, of course, for you, ideally, unification in the Turkic Union, but I'm afraid the train has left, now only with Russia and Belarus. Nazarbayev rushes between the USA, Turkey, China and Russia, and we’ll drag you into the EAC

    Dear someone who brought someone! Learn the story! It’s not Putin’s and Russia’s idea that Nazarbayev spoke and proposed about this alliance back in the 90s1This is Nazarbayev’s idea! Create such an alliance in the post-Soviet space! It’s just that at that moment shit democrats were at the helm! And Putin was then deputy Sobchak! So this is not the idea of ​​Putin and Russia! But it’s good that Putin appeared in Russia as a strategist and a sensible politician! All your reforms are pension, tax and others, all copied from reforms in Kazakhstan! Only there already about 15 years as it was introduced! He will be comfortable with the resources of Kazakhstan in any alliance! But Turkey, far away, China, too gluttonous is dangerous to contact, swallows, And the states are so the world gendarme, you need to be friends and reckon with him! Because !!! Firstly, all the money and real estate of officials are in the US jurisdiction! They can simply let the world go! Secondly, the United States has proven that they can at least put someone with cancer!
  • NOMAD
    NOMAD 2 October 2013 11: 38
    +1
    And more RUSS !! In the post-Soviet space, Russia did not quarrel and did not have problems only with Kazakhstan! And it is easier for Kazakhstan to be friends with Russia, because only Russia and Belarus remained adequate countries in the post-Soviet space! And this means that countries understand each other1And when there is mutual understanding, no one needs anyone in unions for the ears to pull! By creating the CU, three countries gave part of their powers to supranational bodies, and for this it is necessary to amend the constitutions of these countries! Management bodies and a court have been created that have great powers! It was agreed and brought into a single standard for more than 2 thousand documents and regulations! Which countries without coordination and voluntarily do this ??? Without this, there will be a second CIS! The leaders came vodka drank, talked to each other and that's it! Nobody is responsible for anything! If you are an entrepreneur, try to drive the goods and get money from Uzbekistan! You’ll go around the world, you’ll give a bunch of bribes for permissions so that you can get money out of there! It will be quiet horror! Unions are created for mutually beneficial work! In these CIS countries there are people who will be against it, this is normal! For a long time there is a saying that you want to ruin and paralyze any Union, accept Ukraine and Uzbekistan there! They’ll talk, block, any idea! The same example is the GUAM Union! Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan) Amorphous organization! Nobody is responsible for anything! Because the elites of these countries are not profitable to lose power! And the GUAM organization is a show off !!!
  • RUSS
    RUSS 2 October 2013 12: 06
    0
    The idea may be Nazarbayev, but we are implementing it with you and with the support of our government and the president, who brings Nazarbayev’s idea to life. Thank you at the expense of the reforms, I said earlier that you have spied something and that’s normal. As for resources, they are not eternal, especially water ones. And yet, Russia is capitalized, learn Russian. The US puts cancer to those who are happy about it, but if not, they will force us, they will not deliver Russia to those with us either, soon the time will come when America will have to fuss!
  • NOMAD
    NOMAD 2 October 2013 13: 01
    +1
    That's right RUSS !! You think fine! As for the Russian language, I know it better than you, despite my face! Russia, no matter how it was written, always remained and will be the backbone of All Eurasia! Without the interest and will of Russia, not a single union is possible! When something good is going on with a neighbor, you can always change it and implement it at home! This is normal practice! The Customs Union has just organized and results are expected from it! Waiting for quick results is all the same waiting for sexual satisfaction with a young inexperienced girl! The fact that the United States does not particularly stand on ceremony with countries and puts cancer is not due to the fact that Russia does not want to, but because the world's godfather is alone now! and he doesn’t give a damn what Russia, Ukraine or Kazakhstan thinks there! Either you live according to certain rules, or I will bomb! (Yugoslavia, Libya, etc. And if the USSR were there they would not allow it! They would think ten times!
  • sergeymend
    sergeymend 2 October 2013 17: 25
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    damn it, I with all hands and feet for))), only the passport would have a different color ...
  • NOMAD
    NOMAD 2 October 2013 21: 41
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    Now I would like to object to the imperiophobes! where did you see an empire called the USSR, which after itself left schools, hospitals, universities, factories and factories in the republics ???? Learned and left the national cadres and highly educated population ?? In my opinion, the United Kingdom in India, or France in Algeria and other empires did not do such things !!! Empire does not deal with such matters! Somehow I met with the Balts, they hated the USSR so much! I just told them since you don’t like the time spent in the USSR and the Soviet Union is hateful, demolish everything that was built during this time !!! What will remain of you! No factories, roads, ports, houses ,,,,! And re-build it all! Here they would have seen their faces !!!!
  • NOMAD
    NOMAD 2 October 2013 21: 53
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    And ending this topic I want to say: I do not care what happens in handuras !!!! But NOT Vseravno and I can not be indifferent to what is happening in neighboring Russia !!!!
  • San Vasilich
    San Vasilich 3 October 2013 00: 27
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    I do not like EAC, I like the CSR - the Confederation of Union Republics. And the capital can be made in Uralsk (Kazakhstan).
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 3 October 2013 19: 57
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    Quote: Sour
    Why do we have to unite? Let's be friends. Personally, I think so.
    And about "imperial manners" is not necessary. This is all internet chatter, but most Russians (and other peoples of Russia) do not need a foreign land, they have enough of their own. We live normally. And I sympathize with the fact that prices have skyrocketed. But this is definitely not from the TS, here I'm sure. Because competition and an open market never lead to higher prices, but vice versa. This is due to some of your internal problems. The habit of blaming everything on Russia is no better than "imperial manners."

    Our prices began to align with yours. Gasoline cost 102 tenge, now 110, and it will be 130.