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Do not pass on hearing

On the eve of the autumn recruitment of students, the youth were alarmed by the message about the decision to be taken to the Defense Ministry to recruit soldiers who are studying in universities on a commercial basis.


The fact that the military had developed such a bill, citing a certain Internet portal and an anonymous source in the defense department, wrote Kommersant. The call-up initiative of the generals there was explained by the complex demographic situation in Russia. And also - too many active deferments from the army and a weak demand for graduates of many civil institutions, universities and academies in the country's economy.

Then came the conclusion to which they allegedly came to the Ministry of Defense: it makes sense to save the military educational privilege only for students of budget departments of universities. And those who study there on a fee basis, it is necessary to take in the soldiers.

The publication also stated that a corresponding adjustment of the Law "On Military Duty and Military Service" would allow generals to additionally send thousands of new recruits to 300 every year. That is twice as much as they put under the gun this fall and winter.

Photo: Andrey Alexandrov / RIA News www.ria.ru The President signed a decree on the autumn recruitment of thousands of people 150
Photo: Stanislav Krasilnikov / ITAR-TASS Starting next year, the number of conscripts in the army will significantly decrease
Photo: ITAR-TASS / Vladimir Astapkovich In the military ticket will appear a note about the "slope" from the call
Hundreds of recruits will serve with their dogs Hundreds of recruits will serve with their dogs
I must say that this kind of rumors often appear on the eve of the next draft campaign. And, as a rule, they are unreliable. It seems that the information on students-payboards from the same series.

The principal position of the Ministry of Defense on this issue in a conversation with the correspondent of "RG" explained the head of the Office of the press service and information departments, General Igor Konashenkov.

“Citizens of the Russian Federation studying in higher education institutions on a paid basis are and will be entitled to deferment from military service,” he said. - The Ministry of Defense did not make any proposals for reforming the existing system of recruiting citizens for military service to the legislative bodies. All citizens of Russia enrolled in educational organizations that provide education under programs with state accreditation, as well as receive post-graduate education in postgraduate schools of higher educational institutions and scientific institutions, will not be recruited into the Armed Forces until completion of training. In addition, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense identified conceptual activities to reduce the number of recruits in connection with the gradual increase of the number of military servicemen under contract to 2017 by year.



Meanwhile, it is obvious that the proposal to deprive students who pay postponement from the army is at odds with the new personnel-recruiting policy of the military command. Most recently, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that from next year, recruitment of soldiers-conscripts into the army will be reduced and they will rely on professionals in the system.

Of course, the troops today are in need of graduated soldiers. But to drive them into the barracks by abolishing the study benefits of paying students is not in the interests of generals. Shoigu said more than once that everything will be done in the army so that the “scientists” recruits after an urgent stay in the contract service. And if a person is “punished” while still studying at a university, calling him into an army system, it is difficult to expect him to stay there for a long time.

Appeal

By decree of the President of Russia in October-December, 150 of thousands of guys will put on military uniform. In the army, they will come exactly one year. Sick, students, other official beneficiaries no one will drive into the system. But recruits should feel how much has changed in the troops. This concerns not only weapons and equipment with which they have to deal, but also the living conditions in the soldiers' house. By order of Sergei Shoigu, every barracks are now equipped with shower cabins, washing machines and vacuum cleaners. In addition, tea rooms are made for conscripts. In short, the usual barracks is more and more like a student dormitory. Commanders there, of course, will not allow civil liberties. But they also do not want to have subordinates in conditions resembling casemates. A man comes to military service to learn how to defend his country, and he must live in a soldier’s house in normal conditions.
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  1. klimpopov
    klimpopov 30 September 2013 14: 18 New
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    That FIG knows, when I was studying the same rumors were and the delay was canceled. In any case, now is the year, so let them not scream.
    Again, there are a lot of all kinds of under-institutes that earn on the provided grace period, such as students study there, and so on, it would be a logical decision to check these universities.
    The training of reservists is needed, it will not work to refuse the call, if common sense is followed. But conscripts cannot be sent to hot spots either. So the share of contractors should increase, and this mainly depends on the social sphere.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 30 September 2013 14: 49 New
      -5
      The problem is not that. Peacetime Army must be contracted. Only such an army can be well equipped.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 30 September 2013 15: 09 New
        +6
        And where not in peacetime to take reservists? Do you study yourself?
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 10 New
          -14
          Yes, do not care about the reservists. The main thing is the economy to pull or not. Our large and equipped army will not pull.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 30 September 2013 15: 16 New
            10
            So if you don’t pull, what kind of contract are you talking about? You contradict yourself.
            Yes, do not care about the reservists.

            Well, I will leave this masterpiece without comment. wassat
            1. Kibalchish
              Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 18 New
              -9
              And how do you think developed countries prepare reservists? Driving everyone into the barracks? There are more effective ways to do this.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 30 September 2013 15: 21 New
                +5
                So what are the ways? And how do developed countries prepare the reserve? And what are these developed countries? Germany? France?
                For example, in France, semi-annual fees, in Germany, in my opinion, too (although I can be wrong) Switzerland is generally under arms ...
                1. AleksUkr
                  AleksUkr 30 September 2013 17: 34 New
                  0
                  For your information, France has long regretted that it had eliminated the call. ECONOMY IS NOT AT ALL AT LAST!
              2. IRBIS
                IRBIS 30 September 2013 16: 38 New
                +4
                Quote: Kibalchish
                There are more effective ways to do this.

                An alternative to training reservists in peacetime is a manual on organized surrender.
                1. gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer 30 September 2013 16: 49 New
                  +1
                  An alternative to training reservists in peacetime is a manual on organized surrender.





                  Accurate remark.
              3. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 30 September 2013 17: 32 New
                0
                And what are developed countries?

                Quote: Kibalchish
                There are more effective ways to do this.


                Tell yours! Maybe we misunderstand something. One head is good, but one and a half will probably be better! Well how?
              4. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 1 October 2013 00: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: Kibalchish
                And how do you think developed countries prepare reservists? Driving everyone into the barracks?


                That’s exactly what reservists are trained for — shearing, building, learning to march, teaching military specialties, and driving them into the barracks.

                Quote: Kibalchish
                There are more effective ways to do this.


                Chtoli injections ??? Well, enlighten us as a soldier from people to do.
          2. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 30 September 2013 17: 30 New
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            Quote: Kibalchish
            Yes, do not care about reservists


            Will you go to defend the country? I hesitate, however!
          3. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 30 September 2013 23: 59 New
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            Quote: Kibalchish
            Yes, do not care about the reservists. The main thing is the economy to pull or not. Our large and equipped army will not pull.


            There will be no army - it will not take economics. From now on, do not make harsh statements about what the Nekopenhagen is ...
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 30 September 2013 15: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Peacetime Army Must Be Contracted

        A mob. where are you going to take the reserve, if the army is contracted? Then you need to make a full-fledged study compulsory for one year, and then let him decide for himself - a demobilization or a contract ...
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 14 New
          -25
          At school, the main courses of communication with the machine are more than enough. For this, an army is not needed.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 30 September 2013 15: 17 New
            +5
            I don’t understand, honestly, did you come to troll or do you really think so? Yes, three rounds and disassemble the old AK-74 is enough for the mob reserve? wassat
            1. Kibalchish
              Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 28 New
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              Yes, I'm sure of that. Holy sure. During the year of service, I shot 2 times. The rest of the time, we conscripts were engaged in slumber, following the petty orders of commanders, such as tying leaflets to trees. And the cantics were doing everywhere. For this year I learned one Russian army - this is inefficiency, window dressing and idiocy. My father served two years and says in his time it was the same. With him they shot five times. What for this take away for a year? Is this combat training? If yes, then I advise you to check the head with a specialist.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 30 September 2013 15: 36 New
                +5
                then I advise you to check the head with a specialist

                Well, I didn’t pass on the personality! This is the time.
                Second, yes, I heard that now the paratroopers do not jump and shoot twice and do not put on guard. So what does the system have to do with it? Do you want me to say that now officers are thinking about conscripts and why they do not trust their weapons? There is a maximum of one normal from the call ... But they will never be put on the banner at all. Peel a maximum of potatoes and dig trenches. And the fault in this is not conscripts, in any case! Guilt in this system of pre-conscription training and education in particular. If in the USSR a conscript in 18 - 19 - 20 was considered quite adult and independent and could have been put on guard, now you yourself understand ... So what does the urgent service have to do with it? URGENT SERVICE NEEDED! In what form? Another question.
                And the fact that you were not lucky (although I know a lot of guys who served quite normally and went on a contract), so maybe this is not only in the army itself?
                1. Kibalchish
                  Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 44 New
                  -7
                  Sorry if I was too harsh. Has broken. I know many boys who served in different places and troops and no one said anything good about the army. As I know, and the peasants who served in Soviet times - almost all spit too. I work as a teacher, and students ask me whether to join the army. What do you think I answer them?
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 30 September 2013 15: 51 New
                    +6
                    here you go. Well, I say that it is all about education.
                    On the other hand, I know many men who served in the SA and remember every day. Here's a dad in the Air Force ... well, it's a long time to list ... and in general there is not a single acquaintance who would generally speak out negatively, basically a madhouse and a circus, but kindly .... And the fact that it's hard there and "doing nonsense" is how you look. Believe me, it sometimes seems like a negative experience, but experience can come in handy ...
                    What you say to the children. Well then, what reserve can we talk about? Here further I have nothing to say.
                    Since childhood, hatred of the army has been inculcated, naturally, then there will be only negative. I don’t know, our OBZhshnik was a former cadre, a cool guy, showed a lot of things not according to the program and told, then it came in handy. In general, I thought that a teacher should prepare children for a future life and help them adapt, pass on any experience ... I guess I'm wrong ...
                    1. Kibalchish
                      Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 58 New
                      -6
                      If the army had all the rules, I would be the first to say GO GO TO SERVE ALL !!!
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 30 September 2013 16: 06 New
                        +2
                        Well, where are all the rules? And what do you mean by "norms"? For example, in the barracks +14 is the norm? And nothing, did not groan. Crossing 10 km is normal? Of course, after homemade pies, the feeling that you are in a bad house (it was a madhouse on the hike)))) ... But this is an army - there will not be otherwise. Or do we need a doll-like rainbow army like in Germany? Where even sparring is prohibited? For injury can be done.
                        And they fought with stools and belts, and that just wasn’t ... And the worst thing was to shoot and run a lot to run up and down - all the time ...
                      2. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 30 September 2013 16: 16 New
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                        The army is not a resort, I agree. But this should not be torture. This should be a place where people study military affairs. Voluntarily. Everything is the same as you had with us. We served in units far from populated areas. The water was imported. So one day the car got up and we drank snow and drank it for two months. They washed themselves with snow too. But I do not think this is normal in peacetime.
                      3. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 30 September 2013 16: 22 New
                        +1
                        This not normal. But the ability to get water in extreme conditions will come in handy (God forbid) in conditions of, say, global mobilization. This experience is truly valuable. By the way, you gave a very good example of my words. By the way, a comrade - a classmate served next door in Ingushetia, so he generally says that almost a resort and the commanders are holy people - this is such a paradox.
                        And these situations will be tempered, after that nothing is scary, of course there should be a reasonable edge. Well, the army was ultimately created for the war, and there they kill ... Maybe cynically wrote, but I think ...
                      4. uizik
                        uizik 30 September 2013 18: 18 New
                        +1
                        I wonder what kind of military unit? No number needed.
                2. novobranets
                  novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 32 New
                  +5
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  On the other hand, I know many men who served in the SA and remember every day.

                  Half of the brightest and most memorable stories of my life are connected with the army. soldier
                  1. Djozz
                    Djozz 30 September 2013 16: 46 New
                    +5
                    I totally agree with you! It was hard and fun and good friends!
              2. Gur
                Gur 30 September 2013 16: 23 New
                +2
                You are wrong, I have many friends who have different reviews, but it turned out that the neighbor’s son didn’t come back, brought the disfigured body from the staff, he personally saw it as if they had beaten well, they brought suicide with the wording and his parents are poor people and, of course, they don’t have any ships, but besides, the rest of the feedback from everyone is only positive, especially about the Soviet army, how you start telling stories you won’t shut your mouth and, by the way, have a lot of regrets that you didn’t remain professionals, and you’re ashamed to set up youth like that now, believe me, not 91 years old, Three of us guys from class 7 became military men and I tried but they commissified in sports since childhood and they gave me a verdict that physical education was forbidden, it was insulting, only the civilian profession was given and all goodbyes.
                Yes, and from mommy's boobs it’s useful to tear off a peasant
            2. uwzek
              uwzek 30 September 2013 18: 22 New
              +2
              Let me argue with you. You just scolded the boy for being sure that the reservist is sufficient in the skill of incomplete disassembly of the machine gun for his worthy service in a special period (personally, I was engaged in shooting professionally, I still cannot say how much the skills of high-speed disassembly of weapons are necessary in the event of delays when firing, it is necessary to disassemble such a machine gun accurately and accurately, otherwise a cartridge case may fly into your forehead, from the same song blind disassembly and assembly of small arms). I agree with you in this. But, then, you start to carry a certain nonsense. Now you already have all the soldiers (the person has taken the oath!) Are not considered adults (due to the shortcomings of the "system of pre-conscription training and education in particular"), initially not able to guard not only a piece of rag and a box with regimental money, but even and rocket charges with nuclear weapons (I deliberately exaggerated about the Banner of the unit, I repent in front of everyone and in front of myself in particular, they just got your words about "and on the banner") ...
              And the problem with the contract service is not as simple as you think (I am trying to analyze what you have written). The snag is in the army itself. The army itself has not yet figured out what to do with the contract soldiers. Try yourself to the end to perceive the meaning of your "go to the contract." A system of some kind has been created in the army so that a person goes to this army to work, for example, as a motorized rifleman and serve until retirement, somewhere in Tmutarakan. The question is not only about money allowance and housing. In my opinion, the statutes should include, for example, the requirement that generals should be the first to give honor to a veteran-conscript (with fifteen years of experience), reading the chevrons on his sleeve. In the meantime, the entire army is focused on the fact that some, after serving a year, will remain in it for another one or two (this is in the garrisons, where the status of the family is determined by asterisks and the position of the husband).
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 1 October 2013 09: 13 New
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                So the share of contractors should increase, and this mainly depends on the social sphere.

                This I wrote above!
                Now you have all the soldiers

                You understood me wrong. Yes, a man took the oath, so what? What has changed in his mind? Suddenly he suddenly realized that he was entrusted with a weapon and he suddenly became a soldier?
                You start to carry a certain nonsense.

                So what's the nonsense? Yes, by the presence of a passport and a certain age, he is formally an adult.
          2. Sinbad
            Sinbad 30 September 2013 16: 09 New
            +3
            I'm sorry, no luck, but that's not the whole army.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 30 September 2013 16: 13 New
              0
              By the way, the same thoughts arose.
          3. IRBIS
            IRBIS 30 September 2013 16: 45 New
            +4
            Quote: Kibalchish
            following the petty orders of commanders, such as tying leaflets to trees.

            This "soldier's" bike has been wandering about the tales of army "stupidity" from year to year for forty years. Just do not say that you personally tied it - I will not believe it.
            And evaluating command orders is not a soldier's prerogative. They are bad or tyrannical ... Only after going through all the steps and already having big stars can we say that wearing clean shoulder straps he himself was wrong, considering his officers to be stupid "armeuts".
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 30 September 2013 17: 06 New
              +3
              Quote: IRBIS
              he himself was wrong, considering his officers stupid "armeuts".

              Only over the years, I realized how right my commanders were, forcing us to dig in to exhaustion, etc.
              1. IRBIS
                IRBIS 30 September 2013 17: 25 New
                +4
                Quote: novobranets
                Only over the years, I realized how right my commanders were, forcing us to dig in to exhaustion, etc.

                I knew that my fighters spoke about me behind my back in the smoking room. In 95 they had a reason to change their minds and it changed very quickly.
          4. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 30 September 2013 17: 47 New
            +2
            Something both you and your father came across "interesting" commanders. In one old army joke, I don't remember exactly its content, but you will understand the meaning - GOOD SOLDIERS SENT TO A GOOD COMMANDER, AND TO A BAD YOU! No offence. ALL the way!
            REMEMBER- RUSSIAN SOLDIER - and remains a man in the war. BETTER
        2. DMB87
          DMB87 30 September 2013 16: 03 New
          +5
          Itself did not serve, explicit pi @ dobol - toll.
          1. Gennady1973
            Gennady1973 30 September 2013 18: 03 New
            +2
            I think the same. Buye heard enough
        3. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 30 September 2013 17: 35 New
          0
          So after all, the economy does not pull. And so - you look and there is something to put in your pocket!
        4. mark7
          mark7 30 September 2013 18: 18 New
          +1
          The person has either not served or is fooling around with a specialist; do not waste time
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 30 September 2013 15: 27 New
        +9
        Quote: Kibalchish
        At school, the main courses of communication with the machine are more than enough. For this, an army is not needed.

        Will you forgive "cannon fodder" at school?
        Only in our unit, besides the assault rifles, there were SVD, RPG-7, PK, NSV-12,7 "Cliff". I am not talking about mines and radio stations.
        Such sciences as tactics and the interaction of labor on the battlefield - will children in the classroom go to school desks?
        We will not talk about special equipment or narrowly focused knowledge.
        In my opinion you got excited ........
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 35 New
          -9
          That's why contractors are needed. Only they should deal with such a technique.
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          children in the classroom at the desks will pass?

          Theory without practice ... It would seem that it is easier to run across; jumped up ran, fell, rolled, shot. But from the first, yes there, and from the fifth, as it should not work, the Movement is crawling, the same is simple, if you look from the side. Sitting at a desk can learn little. request
      4. avt
        avt 30 September 2013 15: 31 New
        +6
        Quote: Kibalchish
        At school, the main courses of communication with the machine are more than enough. For this, an army is not needed.

        request fool
        Quote: klimpopov
        Did you come to troll or do you think so seriously?

        If not troll - then exactly as according to Zadornov - the files in the brain are empty and there is a lot of aplomb. Read at least some old instructions like the "Spy and Partisan Companion" to seed the brain and search for subsequent information.
      5. novobranets
        novobranets 30 September 2013 15: 49 New
        +3
        automatic communication courses - more than enough
        what If I agree with your first statement, then here you put it without thinking. The machine is far from the main thing in the army. The foundation is laid with the concept of discipline, then everything else. There is a big deficit in school with this.
        Yes, do not care about reservists
        . request Here I did not understand at all. There are compositions of peacetime and wartime. From whom you are going to form units of the whole. From schoolchildren?
        There are more effective ways to do this.
        repeat Do not be a beech share, to death I want to know how you can become a soldier without having served a day. The peacetime army should be professional, but the professionals from where they come from are not in the cabbage but find them. These are old conscripts who decided to continue serving under the contract. From this proceeding, it is impossible to completely abandon the call. soldier
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 59 New
          -7
          Read how reservists are formed in countries where there is no conscription.
          1. Airman
            Airman 30 September 2013 16: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Read how reservists are formed in countries where there is no conscription.

            Shall we create a "foreign legion" of guest workers, promising them Russian citizenship after 5 years of contract service? Don't make people laugh, they found defenders.
          2. leon-iv
            leon-iv 30 September 2013 16: 31 New
            0
            Read how reservists are formed in countries where there is no conscription.

            volkssturm? Oh well )))
          3. IRBIS
            IRBIS 30 September 2013 16: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Read how reservists are formed in countries where there is no conscription.

            Do not tell me, but these countries were able in their history at least once to repulse the enemy?
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 30 September 2013 16: 01 New
          0
          Do not be a beech share, to death I want to know how you can become a soldier without having served a day. The peacetime army should be professional, but the professionals from where they come from are not in the cabbage but find them. This is a conscripted conscript who decided to continue serving under the contract. From this proceeding, it is impossible to completely refuse the call.

          In general, I agree, but not always so. For example, in the USA, the call was completely abandoned. Recruit anywhere and anyone. Now there are mainly those who need citizenship and social benefits. Well, it’s good or bad, the question is different, but the fact is that there is always a shortage of personnel. Well, yes and figs with them.
          We had a clearly built system for preparing for military service and a clear understanding of the system for forming a mob reserve. It was just necessary to add a contract service to this. But it turned out as always ....
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 10 New
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            But it turned out as always ....

            This for some reason is not surprising.
            Quote: klimpopov
            Recruit anywhere and anyone.

            And they recruit all the punks, illiterate, and hiding from the police. It seems that we are out of the way with them. If the contract is properly secured, then in my opinion, it will also be possible to announce a tender for the service. hi
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 30 September 2013 16: 16 New
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              By the way, yes. That's why I said about "good or bad". I also think that after a deadline for a contract it is easier and sane. Again, they checked for a year. To provide social services. And still drive.
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 19 New
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                Quote: klimpopov
                And still drive.

                Undoubtedly, to automatism. By the way, the first year of service for US recruits, in my opinion the same year is urgent, no? soldier
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 30 September 2013 16: 27 New
                  0
                  Fair. Not a connoisseur. It seems that this was about the first year of service.
          2. avt
            avt 30 September 2013 16: 14 New
            +4
            Quote: klimpopov
            For example, in the USA, the call was completely abandoned. Recruit anywhere and anyone. Now there are mainly those who need citizenship and social benefits.

            Yes, but the National Guard remained, actually something similar happened with us during the Frunze reform, when after the Civil War there simply wasn’t any opportunity to pull a full-fledged armed forces.
            Quote: Povshnik
            And where to train tankers, artillerymen, rocket launchers, squadrons?

            That is precisely why military departments were in technical universities - they gave at least some idea of ​​a military specialty, tied to the profile of education. I’m not saying that it was straightforward to put a complex in the cockpit, but a competent commander could put together a decent crew much faster than from schoolchildren with knowledge of one machine gun.
          3. nerd.su
            nerd.su 30 September 2013 17: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: klimpopov
            For example, in the USA, the call was completely abandoned.

            So they are overseas, they have enough police. But if they had a land border with China, I would have watched how they refuse to call laughing
      6. Airman
        Airman 30 September 2013 16: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Kibalchish
        At school, the main courses of communication with the machine are more than enough. For this, an army is not needed.

        And where to train tankers, artillerymen, rocket launchers, squadrons? Also at school, having learned how to assemble and disassemble a machine gun?
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 30 September 2013 16: 09 New
          0
          Having learned to glue models (by the way, he himself is sinful))) and playing Tanks (he didn’t penetrate tanks) ...
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: klimpopov
            Learning to glue models

            I have a nice collection. fellow
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 16 New
          +2
          And where to train tankers, artillerymen, rocket launchers, squadrons?
          The same motorized infantry, the machine is not all.
          1. HollyGremlin
            HollyGremlin 30 September 2013 17: 16 New
            +1
            1. Now schools do not teach to disassemble a machine gun and shoot too (at least with a subject with which I am familiar), which of course is sad.
            2. To be honest, I don’t really understand why a person should be called up 100% of the time, why shouldn’t he be allowed to go home for the weekend, even for the night? Without canceling the course of duty and anxiety (Just the exercises, how much the reservist will be able to arrive at the location and how convenient it is to notify). And immediately, most of the unregistered bruises and generals' dachas disappear.
            3. I already wrote in a different topic, but I repeat: why should a specialist be trained to run a machine for a year? Does the army really need programmers, engineers, even an accountant? Well, he cannot run fast, but he thinks well - so teach him to work with equipment, with a radar or some kind of combat complex (now the choice in the military enlistment office is not great).
            4. There was somehow little experience working with the military, they suggested working with my head:
            Money is less than a private office, but for the benefit of the motherland, in the interesting sector, the equipment is at a high level. I immediately agreed. ... I left because of one minus (I partially understand that without subordination I’m nowhere), but despite the fact that I was civilian (in a leather jacket and shaggy looked fun against the background of the military), it’s impossible to prove something to the authorities: the right person is not the one right, and the one who is older in rank (position) (Apparently this is at the subconscious level, because the team was so good).
      7. uwzek
        uwzek 30 September 2013 16: 41 New
        0
        What are you talking about, Dear? That is, in each school there is a shooting range with shooting instructors, a storage system for military weapons and ammunition. Or just incomplete disassembly of the AK and combat techniques with it? And what, military service is reduced to the development of Kalash firing techniques?
        1. HollyGremlin
          HollyGremlin 30 September 2013 22: 33 New
          0
          I just expressed my opinion, I can assume how I would have realized it: I would do field lessons in parts where the professionals showed what weapons they had, how to shoot, assemble / disassemble, and conduct patriotic work. It’s a room of pre-war preparation, and it would even be possible to make the entrance free (that is, all comers could have passed such training along with schoolchildren). This is one of the options (I would know exactly how to implement it would be a minister, I just say that, probably, you can do better and fully explain how to shoot, assemble / disassemble the machine).
          In my experience, at best, yes, but of course I'm not 10% aware. I would be glad if you bring the positive experience of competent training of the draftee.
      8. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 30 September 2013 16: 53 New
        +5
        At school, the main courses of communication with the machine are more than enough. For this, an army is not needed.




        The army is preparing not a man who just knows how to confidently and skillfully handle personal weapons, but a warrior, a soldier in the broadest sense of the word. So that the young man knows how to know what he will fight to the end. Even with many times his number and technical armament by the enemy. Sorry if it looks pathetic.
      9. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 1 October 2013 00: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Kibalchish
        At school, the main courses of communication with the machine are more than enough.


        To shoot yourself when they call ...
  2. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 30 September 2013 17: 01 New
    -2
    The problem is not that. Peacetime Army must be contracted. Only such an army can be well equipped.





    Under the current state of the economy, it is impossible to create normal conditions for serving as officers. What contract army can you talk about? What equipment and what?
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 1 October 2013 00: 05 New
      0
      Quote: gunnerminer
      Under the current state of the economy, it is impossible to create normal conditions for serving as officers. What contract army can you talk about? What equipment and what?


      How did you all conspire ... What for normal conditions can the military have ??? These are people who have dedicated their lives to war, that is, they are paid for what they are obliged, by order of the government, to kill people when they order!

      They can’t live in normal conditions, otherwise it will turn out of them not the army but the LGBT community! They must live a Spartan life, only then it will be soldiers.
  3. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 30 September 2013 17: 28 New
    -1
    How do you know all this? Really served?
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 30 September 2013 17: 40 New
      0
      How do you know all this? Really served?




      Why do you climb into such a jungle?
  • Sirs
    Sirs 30 September 2013 14: 20 New
    +1
    call oh call, as in ancient Rome - the people's militia.
  • rugor
    rugor 30 September 2013 14: 32 New
    +1
    Duck. The students themselves spread rumors. Or those who want to make money on bribes when entering the "budget"
  • Russ69
    Russ69 30 September 2013 14: 36 New
    0
    MO, has already refuted ...

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130928/966451981.html
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 30 September 2013 14: 41 New
    -2
    It is not important for students to be left alone according to what pattern and to give them the opportunity to work in their specialty. Then in the villages, perhaps experts will appear.
    1. Xmypp
      Xmypp 30 September 2013 14: 51 New
      +3
      What kind of specialists, which village? What are you talking about ?
      90% are lawyers, managers, etc., and they definitely won’t go to any village.
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 30 September 2013 14: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Xmypp
        What kind of specialists, which village? What are you talking about ?
        90% are lawyers, managers, etc., and they definitely won’t go to any village.

        According to statistics, lawyers and managers are about 40 percent of students)))
      2. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 13 New
        0
        I work as a village teacher. Every day I travel from the district center very far to the village. So do not la la.
        True, I have already served my own. That is, stupidly lost a year, digging holes and making cantics.
        1. DuraLexSedLex.
          DuraLexSedLex. 30 September 2013 15: 20 New
          +7
          And what do you teach your children? No offense to you, but I hope I don’t use the Russian language. wink
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 37 New
            0
            Not Russian, don’t worry.
            1. dry off
              dry off 30 September 2013 16: 47 New
              +1
              Ai-ai-ai, a village teacher must be literate by definition, no matter what discipline he teaches.
          2. IRBIS
            IRBIS 30 September 2013 16: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
            And what do you teach your children? No offense to you, but I hope I don’t use the Russian language.

            Trudovik. Judging by the comments - just a Trudovik!
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 30 September 2013 15: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Kibalchish
          I work as a village teacher. I ride every day
          laughing Do you teach Russian? joke.
        3. dry off
          dry off 30 September 2013 16: 32 New
          +1
          To the rural teacher - I travel
          1. avt
            avt 30 September 2013 17: 26 New
            0
            Quote: secar
            To the rural teacher - I travel

            laughing I got it! And you can’t write to Claudia in a hurry and the buttons are next! laughing
        4. Gennady1973
          Gennady1973 30 September 2013 17: 40 New
          +1
          Kibalchish. With all due respect, I don’t agree with you. I’ll explain. Every man must go through the army. It doesn’t matter who he is a teacher or tractor driver (they are also short of them). In my time, they took me from the institute, served, came and finished my studies. And by the way, such teachers more loyal.
      3. nazgul-ishe
        nazgul-ishe 30 September 2013 15: 15 New
        -2
        At least not to touch specialists for the national economy.
        1. rsv75
          rsv75 30 September 2013 15: 37 New
          +3
          Do we have a national economy? Let them finish their studies and serve, the army is also a national ECONOMY (the people serve in it, the workers and peasants).
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 30 September 2013 15: 39 New
            +1
            The fact of the matter is that the worker-peasant, and MAJOR should not serve?
            1. avt
              avt 30 September 2013 17: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: Kibalchish
              The fact of the matter is that the worker-peasant, and MAJOR should not serve?

              request Well, here I completely agree. It is not in vain that the law on preventing those who did not serve in the Army was clumsy. Previously, they looked at it if there is no military department, but we wanted to say to the office for work — a year of service with a higher education.
          2. dry off
            dry off 30 September 2013 16: 38 New
            +1
            Yes, only the people establish "Zon" orders.
  • gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 30 September 2013 14: 42 New
    0
    Thanks to more than tough anti-army propaganda, Russian youth does not want to serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation neither by conscription, nor by contract (voluntarily), nor alternatively. RTR, Radio of Russia in the very end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s purposefully corrupted the youth with their programs , in every possible way discrediting the Soviet Army and Navy.
    1. dry off
      dry off 30 September 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      Sorry, do you yourself remember your conscription service?
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 30 September 2013 16: 48 New
        +2
        Sorry, do you yourself remember your conscription service?




        Why do you dive into such wilds? Dzhigita adorns modesty and expensive weapons.
        1. dry off
          dry off 30 September 2013 17: 05 New
          +1
          How is the president of Chechnya?
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 30 September 2013 17: 12 New
            0
            How is the president of Chechnya?





            It’s not easy to call the President of Chechnya modest. The cost of the weapon is determined by its high performance characteristics and reliability. An expensive weapon is one that doesn’t fail, but it doesn’t cost a lot of money or has decorations. At the same time, he missed the preparation of a terrorist attack against his respected father and Army Commander of the North Caucasus District, Army General Alexander Ivanovmch Baranov. What kind of horse is he after that?
            1. dry off
              dry off 30 September 2013 17: 19 New
              0
              Summed up the logical chain: Dzhigit - an expensive weapon - a golden gun - Ramzan Kadyrov. I apologize.
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 30 September 2013 17: 22 New
                +1
                Summed up the logical chain: Dzhigit - an expensive weapon - a golden gun - Ramzan Kadyrov. I apologize.



                May you apologize! We are not at the plentiful table in the kunatskaya.
                1. dry off
                  dry off 30 September 2013 17: 25 New
                  +1
                  Damn, it would be nice ...
                  1. alone
                    alone 30 September 2013 19: 58 New
                    +1
                    this dzhigit was a courier at Basayev’s headquarters)) wassat
  • starhina01
    starhina01 30 September 2013 14: 52 New
    0
    each barracks is now equipped with showers, washing machines and vacuum cleaners. In addition, tea rooms are made for conscript soldiers. lol and why a vacuum cleaner request with tea rooms also bent according to the daily routine there is no time to drink tea repeat Now you have to change the schedule soldier
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 30 September 2013 15: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: starhina01
      Every barracks is now equipped with showers, washing machines and vacuum cleaners. In addition, tea rooms are made for conscript soldiers. and why the vacuum cleaner with tea rooms, too, was bent according to the daily routine, there is no time to drink tea, now the routine will have to be changed

      We have showers, washing machines have been around for a long time. And since the small part is only 20-40 soldiers, depending on the draft, then there is no teahouse and even a cup. And the soldiers are not allowed to be fired at all, only 3-4 times a year, a mass exit to the cinema or whatever. Here soldiers always buy cigarettes, and others, then foreman, then cook. As a pay, the foreman has a bunch of credit cards and goes to withdraw money for everyone. Only the self-propelled gun remains, a couple of kilometers through the forest to the nearest stall ...
      Recently, the soldiers persuaded the stokers to bring them beer, well, they brought it, so the soldiers nafotkali together with beer and put it in LJ. the next day, the stokers were given a tyk, and the soldiers in the OZK cut circles on the parade ground ... smile
      1. starhina01
        starhina01 30 September 2013 19: 03 New
        0
        and it happened soldier and it happened worse
  • erased
    erased 30 September 2013 14: 55 New
    +2
    Good intentions, but how would I see statistics for the past two years on the number of deaths in the Russian Defense Ministry, including from beatings and killings? Plus statistics on the improper use of soldiers - the construction of summer cottages for generals, work on auxiliary plots of officers, and the like.
    This is an indicator of the work of the ministry, and not just new equipment and weapons.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 30 September 2013 14: 56 New
    +2
    On the eve of the autumn recruitment of students, the youth were alarmed by the message about the decision to be taken to the Defense Ministry to recruit soldiers who are studying in universities on a commercial basis.
    And if not rumors? Yes, a generation of a new formation! Probably most of these "patriotic intellectuals" are not capable of anything other than going to a picnic and Bolotnaya. Duty, honor, courage, heroism are all nonsense for them. Indeed, in the event of a large-scale aggression and the need to mobilize all forces, detachments will be needed.
    1. dry off
      dry off 30 September 2013 16: 59 New
      0
      Explain what debt? When my son was born, I paid the bill for the hospital. When he went to kindergarten - I paid for kindergarten. When he was in school, I paid for school. When he was at university, I paid for tuition. For the first semester, 12000. When he finished - 48000 per semester. Now he works as a field engineer for a large company in very difficult conditions (Chukotka, Bodaibo) and pays taxes from his rather big white salary. To whom and what does he owe?
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 30 September 2013 17: 04 New
        +2
        To whom and what does he owe?

        to the state for safety. In Rome, before the reforms, Guy Maria, for example, could serve only the elite of society.
        And Rome was not the worst system.
        1. dry off
          dry off 30 September 2013 17: 14 New
          +1
          What is "elite"? I liked the interpretation of this concept in the book by Roman Zlotnikov "Elite of the Elite". This is the real Elite, and not what we mean by this term. My son graduated from the military department, he is a specialist in mine and explosives, why is he not a reservist?
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 30 September 2013 17: 24 New
            0
            My son graduated from the military department, he is a specialist in mine explosives, why is he not a reservist?

            Reservist of the second stage of mobilization.
            But there will be little sense from him. I know how to teach and who teaches on VK. Without practice, the sense is 0 point 0.
            What is "elite"?

            Take the roman concept
            They should have belonged to the fifth censorship class or higher;
            Their condition should exceed 3000 sisters;
            They must provide themselves with weapons with their own money.
      2. nerd.su
        nerd.su 30 September 2013 17: 17 New
        0
        Quote: secar
        When my son was born, I paid the bill for the hospital. When he went to kindergarten - I paid for kindergarten. When he was in school, I paid for school. When he was at university, I paid for tuition. For the first semester 12000. When he finished - 48000 per semester

        That is, only those who had the intelligence to enter the budget have a debt to the homeland?
        And you, it seems, bought your son’s debt, because he didn’t have enough mind for the budget?
        1. dry off
          dry off 30 September 2013 17: 46 New
          -1
          You should, dear, "from lack of intelligence", work in the open air with pens at a temperature of minus 55, and then discuss the ransom. Working at the gold mine. The lack of gold in the budget of Russia, only the lazy here did not screw up. And who really worked to compensate him? By the way, they asked me for a bribe in the amount of 120 sput for entering the budget. I haven't had so many. All the best.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 30 September 2013 19: 50 New
            -1
            Quote: secar
            About the lack of gold in the budget of Russia, only the lazy did not crap here. And who really worked to compensate him?

            What are you talking about, dear? Give me a deposit and I’ll tell you in whose pocket and in which state the gold that your son is mining is being formed. If this is really a large field, then with a probability of 99,9% it raises the welfare of our potential friends.
            A bribe to the budget? What specialty, in what year?
      3. IRBIS
        IRBIS 30 September 2013 17: 18 New
        +6
        Quote: secar
        Explain what debt?

        Excuse me, have you and your son lived on a personal island all these years? Or do you think that your son, with a "rather big white salary", will be able to sit behind my son's back in case of war? Who, unlike yours, knows what duty, honor and courage are?
        The debt of a man and a citizen does not depend not on payments, not on salaries - only on conscience. Well, if it’s not there, then there will always be a detachment and a field commandant’s office ...
        1. dry off
          dry off 30 September 2013 17: 23 New
          0
          Ek got you ...
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 30 September 2013 17: 44 New
          0
          Quote: IRBIS
          in case of war will be able to sit behind my son? Which, unlike yours, knows what duty, honor and courage are?

          hi
          1. dry off
            dry off 30 September 2013 17: 54 New
            -1
            Dear, my son, whom you all together crap, is working to strengthen the gold reserves of the country, to which you are going to pay off your "debt" with foam on your mustache With screams about "honor" and "courage". This means that those who worked in factories during the war and those who ensure the country's defense capability are second-class people? Think about it. Maybe you should change your point of view?
            1. dry off
              dry off 30 September 2013 18: 31 New
              0
              Judging by the minus, cheers-patriots think so. In your opinion, those who make weapons earn money for the country, for which these weapons are made, R&D is carried out, the military is paid a salary because they did not serve in the army. Yes, this is simply fascism.
        3. dry off
          dry off 30 September 2013 19: 05 New
          0
          Please tell me, when your son goes to fight for mine, will he get a weapon? ammo? and much more - a lot of everything, down to the bottom? and they will carry it on something ... And feed it on something ... And on whose money and by whose labor it will all be done? Maybe they (money) as Kadyrov, Allah gives? Do not think about it? Or do you have from the marshal's rank a scar from a cap instead of meanders? Sorry for the harshness.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 30 September 2013 20: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: secar
            And with whose money and by whose labor will all this be produced?

            So for you it turns out that those engineers who work with your son, but studied on a budget, have a duty to the state. Because they serve, and your son does not have such a duty, because you paid for it. No wonder you weren't supported, to say the least.
  • DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 30 September 2013 15: 05 New
    +1
    Well, it's good that the Ministry of Defense denied the information about this. And most likely it's just a "duck", and nothing more.
    But simply if, purely hypothetically, this would be introduced, it would be nonsense, I will tell you why. Universities are trying to reduce the number of students for free of charge, since you cannot make a lot of money on them, because the state pays for the state employee several times less than the paid student himself comes, studies and PAYS FROM HIS POCKET. That is, universities are depriving them of money, although no one will deprive them of teachers, extortions from students in our country are sacred. Second, we open the list of applicants to the budget, to any humanitarian university, and we see the names on " oev "," - iev ", etc. everything is completely with "100 points and there is IGE." In those universities, the situation is still different, but there is nothing to catch like that. And what would come of it ...
    so it’s good that there is no evidence and this is just another ravings of journalists)
  • Heccrbq .2
    Heccrbq .2 30 September 2013 15: 10 New
    +4
    It’s not an army, but some kind of kindergarten. Call them mothers, wipe their buttocks and sew up their gates. I went here on a train with airborne dampers, it’s such a feeling that they spent the last six months in the army. They served 2 years.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 30 September 2013 16: 58 New
      +3
      The army should demand a lot from its soldiers, but it should give a lot. Unfortunately, it does not and doesn’t require for us. The showers in some barracks do not work, the food was stolen by the cooks and stolen by the body, everything that is possible, while we will not send them to hot spots, let them serve as security guards. Maybe it’s better to severely train and send them (those who express a desire), but with all human conditions, with normal food there, weapons, equipment, normally dressed, shod, to wash it was where, at least.
  • Committee
    Committee 30 September 2013 15: 12 New
    +3
    The conscript will not be able to "feel the difference", since he has nothing to compare with, the author made a semantic mistake, and the improvement of conditions is the main thing, after all, people, relations in a group, "flying together" - "harmony". But the guys I know say that they've gotten better to feed, I've heard from more than one.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: Committee
      what to feed became better, not from one I heard.

      It is gratifying to hear that in our battalion, they cooked all winter from sauerkraut, only they didn't cook compote from it, and I'm not sure. You will go to the tavern - "Akhtung, gazen", even flies did not risk flying there. wassat
    2. Gur
      Gur 30 September 2013 16: 34 New
      0
      The nephew went into the army 60 kg returned 87 but not at all fed
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 47 New
        0
        He is swollen with hunger. laughing
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 30 September 2013 17: 08 New
          0
          My served after the Polytechnic Inst in the Presidential Regiment went away weighed 92 kg. came 78 kg, fed well and satisfying!
  • major071
    major071 30 September 2013 15: 46 New
    +8
    I agree with Heccrbq .2, last year he himself rode the Murmansk - Moscow train. The Demélé-Morémans were so embroidered that I thought it was the sewing troops. In Soviet times, of course, there were also embroidered parades, but I did not see this, everything was much more modest.
    I think the army needs to be completed on the principle of 80% of contract soldiers and 20% on conscription. All the same, it is necessary to prepare the young generation. And then soon there will be no one to defend the Homeland.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 30 September 2013 17: 11 New
      +3
      My came in full dress of the Presidential Regiment, without any home-made embroidery, she is already beautiful!
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 30 September 2013 17: 34 New
        +4
        One day the battalion commander caught an Azeri trying on the "demobilization PSh", forced everyone to put on and put on shoes, and brought them out in front of the formation at the general formation. The battalion was crawling along the parade ground on all fours. They whinnied so that the crows in the five-kilometer zone were evacuated. wassat
  • vkrav
    vkrav 30 September 2013 15: 51 New
    +3
    Damn, well, what for such difficulties? After all, all this has already passed the stage ... To make full and limited citizenship ... If you want to have all the rights - the right to vote, the right to hold positions in state structures, the right to carry and store weapons - serve in the army ... You can also include the right to higher education, or, as in the states - he served - and the state pays for training. And serve not a year, but 3-5 years. Otherwise, soon these violent "soldiers' mothers will have to serve. "...
  • intsurfer
    intsurfer 30 September 2013 15: 59 New
    +1
    Yesterday I saw through the box - shooting courses for everyone (naturally in the USA). 2 days at the range with military weapons under the guidance of professional instructors. People 20-30 with children, including girls from 12 years old and up to retirees under 70 in appearance, learn safety techniques when handling weapons and shoot real rifles at the shooting range. The final phrase was in the sense that our main enemies were laziness, indifference, apathy and unwillingness to do something for our country. Type you need to start small - tear off the back of the sofa and learn how to at least shoot. There are not so many ardent pacifists there as we have to ...
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 30 September 2013 16: 03 New
    +5
    It is necessary to return NVP to schools. Excess knowledge will not hinder in case of mobilization.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 26 New
      0
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      Excess knowledge will not hinder in case of mobilization.

      Now people have forgotten even actions on civil defense, is fraught. No.
    2. Gur
      Gur 30 September 2013 16: 37 New
      +2
      I agree, and then the son is forced to attend a lesson with his own hands, I ask what you are doing.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 30 September 2013 16: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Gur
        KNIT.

        Cool, for future men the most necessary wassat And do girls plan stools? laughing
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 30 September 2013 16: 13 New
    +1
    Here is a sketch. This is not Yakunin's depository. Many * bombanulo *
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 30 September 2013 16: 14 New
    -2
    nafiga tea room, so that in the army instead of shooting and physical exercises, the teas are chased.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 30 September 2013 16: 24 New
      -3
      It would be better if they introduced a vodka room. wassat
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 30 September 2013 16: 32 New
      +3
      nafiga tea room, so that in the army instead of shooting and physical exercises, the teas are chased.

      if that soldier is the same person, if, after military training, he also wants to relax and drink a seagull. Better razor or horseshoe bulbs?
      1. Armata
        Armata 30 September 2013 16: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: leon-iv
        if that soldier is the same person, if, after military training, he also wants to relax and drink a seagull. Better razor or horseshoe bulbs?
        Dearly respected. There is a captive in the barracks. Why not a tea room?
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 30 September 2013 16: 41 New
          +4
          There is a captive in the barracks. Why not a tea room?

          this is a bar with afrah and ballerinas for ilita)))
          The brush in reality is a room with the company’s math values ​​and suitable captain will let 3-4 friends go there. And where else?
          For as some Jedi in RHM-4 noted DR there is no buzzing.
          Yes, and a tea room, like a smoking room, is a good place to chat.
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 30 September 2013 18: 00 New
        0
        Quote: leon-iv
        Better bulbs from razors or horseshoes?

        We called them boilers, the best of stainless steel razors. good
  • MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 30 September 2013 16: 25 New
    +4
    A true Warrior should be brought up from childhood.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 30 September 2013 16: 35 New
    +1
    Brothers! At least someone saw a draftee in the sun after graduate school!
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 30 September 2013 17: 17 New
      +2
      Yes, once I saw him, he helped our ensign to carry bags of stolen goods back to the warehouse ... I woke up, - "Well, I think ..." laughing
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 30 September 2013 17: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Djozz
      Brothers! At least someone saw a draftee in the sun after graduate school!

      Well, if you call the candidates of sciences ... On a fig to cook them then?
      Or are you announcing another round of RAS reform? laughing
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 30 September 2013 17: 58 New
        0
        So there are different graduate students. Now VAKs got divorced like uncut dogs! Pay only!
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 30 September 2013 20: 05 New
          0
          VAK alone, do not grind nonsense. It feels like you really have to do with reform. what
    3. leon-iv
      leon-iv 30 September 2013 17: 29 New
      +1
      I saw a draftee in the sun after graduate school!

      One of them was sent six months ago to serve.
      He escaped from the matrimonial plans of his female.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 30 September 2013 18: 02 New
        0
        Who will advance scientific and technological progress! How to live further!
  • intsurfer
    intsurfer 30 September 2013 16: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: hhhhhhh
    It is necessary to return NVP to schools.
    We had an NVP back in Soviet times, either the teacher was so-so, or he was not allowed to turn around, but he was sorry. They held the weapon in their hands once - at the training ground they gave a couple of times a shot from Kalashnikov. According to her stories, the wife was better - they played in the lightning and shot from the small things. And now even there are few pneumothirs, because to open them in a decent form, and not just shooting at beer cans, you need to find a sea of ​​dough, especially on the premises.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 September 2013 18: 39 New
    0
    Quote: novobranets
    One day the battalion commander caught an Azeri trying on the "demobilization PSh", forced everyone to put on and put on shoes, and brought them out in front of the formation at the general formation. The battalion was crawling along the parade ground on all fours. They whinnied so that the crows in the five-kilometer zone were evacuated. wassat

    ha ha ha .. they love show off ...
    1. alone
      alone 30 September 2013 20: 01 New
      +1
      Ponte love everything, and my compatriots are no exception .. but there are enough fools for everyone))
  • dry off
    dry off 30 September 2013 19: 15 New
    +1
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    Quote: IRBIS
    The debt of a man and a citizen does not depend not on payments, not on salaries - only on conscience. Well, if it’s not there, then there will always be a detachment and a field commandant’s office


    While serving in the SA in the 84th, I lost my right leg. How do you think I paid off my debt?
  • alone
    alone 30 September 2013 20: 04 New
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    everyone who can serve is obligated to do this. This army service changes a person. I wish everyone to serve exclusively in peacetime. hi
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 30 September 2013 21: 07 New
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      Quote: lonely
      real army service changes a person.

      When I returned home, I was surprised at first, everyone told me that I had become "altogether different", then I began to notice myself that what seemed ridiculous before, began to seem stupid, cool, small. In two years it turned out to have matured and acquired a different outlook on life and life values. I remember the army as a good school, no, I do not write for words, I really think so. soldier
  • Narrator.tales
    Narrator.tales 30 September 2013 21: 10 New
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    It is the duty of each garbage to throw away behind himself, to follow the language.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 30 September 2013 22: 35 New
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    Quote: secar
    While serving in the SA in the 84th, I lost my right leg. How do you think I paid off my debt?

    You paid no matter whether you lost your leg or not. If you already find fault with the word, then it (duty) in my opinion is formed by the attitude to society, to the country (you can still expand) and this attitude needs to be educated (the teacher spoke here). Otherwise, educate others, in our time is especially important. Society and the country in the form of the state form laws for their needs, including for protection against external enemies. Because of this, they are talking about the national elite, as often she enforces these laws. Again, it is now hard to see, they are talking more about the fifth column. You can of course treat the army as an abstraction and not as a duty. I think in this case it means that it doesn’t matter what happens to the country, people, children (yours in that chile), etc. .. That’s why
    Quote: secar
    It is not for nothing that the law on the prohibition of those who did not serve in the Army is clumsy.

    The army still exists for hour X, and if it is treated as an abstraction, then it will not cope with its work.