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American professor: By the 2035 year, China will become a threat to Russia and America, and the powers will create an anti-Chinese alliance ("Huanqiu Shibao Newspaper", China)

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American professor: By the 2035 year, China will become a threat to Russia and America, and the powers will create an anti-Chinese alliance ("Huanqiu Shibao Newspaper", China)Now that tensions have arisen in Russian-American relations because of the incident with Snowden, the report, calling on Russia and America to rally against the “Chinese aggressor”, could not help but attract everyone’s attention. According to the agency article "RIA News”From 1 in August, Eduard Ponarin, professor at the HSE Department, on the same day, during the presentation of the analytical report“ The Russian Elite - 2020 ”, noted that the views of the Russian elite on the USA had undergone a significant transformation. In 1993, the top of Russian society was very friendly to America, but today the situation has changed dramatically. America is perceived as a threat to the security of Russia, but if a “common threat” hangs over these two countries, the elites of the United States and Russia can discover their common interests. “For this, some common interests or a common threat should arise. It so happens that interests are different and often contradict each other, ”the expert explained. William Zimmerman, a professor at the University of Michigan, who took part in the discussion, called everything by his own name, saying directly that such a “common threat” was China. Zimmerman said that by 2035, China would become a sufficient threat for Russia and the United States to join forces to fight the People's Republic of China, which should "extremely scare" China.


“Russian Elite - 2020” is an analytical report on the development of Russia in the period from 2015 to 2030, created with the help of the International Discussion Club “Valdai”. The club was created in 2004, the RIA Novosti news agency and the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy of Russia became its founders. The essence of the Valdai Club is to involve the most prominent world experts, scholars and representatives of political elites in a discussion about the role of Russia in the world. According to available data, the tenth meeting of the club will be held from 16 to 19 September. The above report was prepared just for this meeting. The participants of “Valday” are people who most vividly embody the trends of recent years.

The Interfax news agency notes that Western-style democratic values ​​are gradually taking root in the minds of representatives of the Russian elite, but the level of anti-American sentiment is growing faster among the elite than among the general population. Perhaps this process can no longer be reversed. The head of the Valdai International Discussion Club, Pavel Andreev, said that the transformation of the Russian elite is coming to an end, soon it will become completely different. Today, the ruling elite is sharply opposed to America, but it is not yet possible to predict how these views will change in the future.

The expert on Chinese-Russian relations, Xia Yishan (“Huanqiu Shibao”) of 2 of August, explained that in Russia there is a certain concern about the direction in which China will develop after becoming a mighty power. In Russia, China is not psychologically ready for the growth of China, and there is no corresponding theory. In Russian public opinion there is a pluralism of opinions, the media constantly publish various points of view. There is a certain number of supporters in the idea of ​​the “yellow threat”, but there are few of them. More and more people treat China favorably. However, it is worth paying attention to the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, America had a great influence on the Russian intelligentsia. It got to the point that some of them even began to speak instead of American speakers, exaggerating and telling about the “yellow threat”. However, it should be understood that these people do not represent the views of the entire Russian intelligentsia. Xia Yishan added that almost none of the Russian experts he knew had raised the issue of a Russian-American alliance against China. The Russian public is much more concerned about the possibility of an excessive convergence of the United States and China, which can then completely rule the world.

But American experts have expressed thoughts about the Russian-American alliance against the PRC is not the first time. They often slander China, noting that he is now crushing the neighboring countries for himself, and also wants to seize Russian natural resources. Hence the conclusion that Washington and Moscow should join forces and put an end to the growth of Chinese influence in Asia. In his essay, published in the journal Foreign Affairs, senior researcher at the Center for New American Security Robert D. Kaplan suggested that the political ambitions of modern China are not much different from the claims of the United States a hundred years ago. The balance of power in Asia is now shifting, and not in favor of America. This leads to the fact that the United States, currently a hegemon in the western hemisphere, is trying to prevent China from becoming a hegemon in most of the eastern hemisphere. Further Kaplan writes that in order not to yield to China, the United States can conclude a strategic alliance with Russia. As for Russia, it may well accept such an offer, because China is now allegedly conducting a unhurried seizure of poorly populated territories of the Far East and Siberia with the help of its settlers; Chinese companies are also gradually “leaking out” there.

In the same article in Foreign Affairs, it says that Russia, like many other countries, believes that the rise of China fell on the decline of the United States and the entire Western world. Because of this, Russia began to focus on the East. Moscow emphasizes that its goal is cooperation with China, and not competition at all. Alexander Larin, a leading researcher at the Institute of Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, is convinced that China-US relations have only two options for development: either competition and conflict, or the organization of some form of joint territorial management. For Russia, caught up between China and the United States, it will be most reasonable to maintain neutrality.
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  1. ramsi
    ramsi 1 October 2013 08: 43 New
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    it’s better to disappear than any alliance with the United States
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 1 October 2013 08: 55 New
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      Quote: ramsi
      it’s better to disappear than any alliance with the United States

      Another question: what will happen to the United States by 2035 ... Today all federal services have been closed - the budget has not been adopted ... Probably, they cannot figure out the ceiling of the state debt.
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 1 October 2013 09: 41 New
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        It’s better to be friends with the yellow ones than to sleep under a mattress ...
        1. Canep
          Canep 1 October 2013 10: 03 New
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          This was written by an American professor, he probably doesn’t really like that Russia and China are up against the USA, India is also not coming, so he is trying to drive a wedge. China will definitely become a superpower, and not in the 35th year, but earlier, now the Chinese are conducting an independent foreign policy.
          1. Very old
            Very old 1 October 2013 11: 45 New
            +6
            Do not forget Latin America, which is very offended by the USA, which northern "friends" have been robbing for centuries. The McCains and other Kissingers have to work hard to, as the Chinese say, "save face" So they invent various combinations.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 1 October 2013 13: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: Canep
            This was written by an American professor, he probably doesn’t really like that Russia and China are up against the USA, India is also not coming, so he’s trying to drive a wedge

            In the modern world, everything is done for money and around money!
            All geopolitics is aimed at its direct competitor and similar opuses under the guise of strategic research will begin to appear more and more often. The goal is to get out of the crisis and prevent China from becoming number one! But as they say, all means are good. From bribery and blackmail and dirt in the press to phony research, creates an atmosphere around a new enemy.
            1. timer
              timer 1 October 2013 22: 42 New
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              I would say not so much money, but for energy resources.
          3. rolik
            rolik 1 October 2013 14: 44 New
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            Quote: Canep
            It was written by an American professor

            In Russia, part of the so-called elite, led by Medvedev, is not at all averse to lie under the United States again. The most important elite, the people of our country, are opposed to previous relations with mattresses. Those who are ready to serve the mattress, Ponomarev, Navalny, Kasparov and others, are not included in the people. These are renegades, and history will still pass a sentence on them. The biggest headache is the Medvedev team, the so-called adherents of liberal values. Here is the true fifth column, which sat behind the Kremlin walls.
            If an American professor meant them in his article, then he is right.
            But by all accounts, friendship with mattresses is always fraught with a bitter hangover. And the lessons of EBN’s reign went to us. We saw the true face of the western, ate their values.
            1. timer
              timer 1 October 2013 22: 38 New
              +1
              When they talk and write about the Russian "elite" I want to swear with obscene language - that our thief-oligarchs and bureaucratic codela are our elite ?! At the expense of the lessons of EBN, yes, I don’t see that they went to us in the proc- the so-called "leaders" of the opposition (rotten riffraff) are actively brainwashing people (especially young people), the elections in Moscow showed it.
              What you need to do is the best cure for the Liberian opposition opposition is a bullet or a life sentence
            2. rodevaan
              rodevaan 2 October 2013 02: 22 New
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              Quote: rolik
              Quote: Canep
              It was written by an American professor

              In Russia, part of the so-called elite, led by Medvedev, is not at all averse to lie under the United States again. The most important elite, the people of our country, are opposed to previous relations with mattresses. Those who are ready to serve the mattress, Ponomarev, Navalny, Kasparov and others, are not included in the people. These are renegades, and history will still pass a sentence on them. The biggest headache is the Medvedev team, the so-called adherents of liberal values. Here is the true fifth column, which sat behind the Kremlin walls.
              If an American professor meant them in his article, then he is right.
              But by all accounts, friendship with mattresses is always fraught with a bitter hangover. And the lessons of EBN’s reign went to us. We saw the true face of the western, ate their values.


              - We have always seen these westernized "values" as soon as all this Western rabble of savage bandits climbed here with a sword to rob and kill. How many times have we fought with the West, and how many times have we fought with China?
              And the fifth column - this is not the people - this is an old, long-pained and long-rotting boil on the body of the real Russian people, which, alas, has not yet been etched by any domestos. Only surgical intervention will help get rid of these Vlasovites ...
          4. vlad.svargin
            vlad.svargin 1 October 2013 14: 45 New
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            Canep
            This was written by an American professor, he probably doesn’t really like that Russia and China are up against the USA, India is also not coming, so he is trying to drive a wedge.

            That's right, even before the collapse of the USSR, the Americans began to play the "Chinese card", as they had already seen the economic strengthening of China and "were looking for a containment buffer" - after all, they were used to doing everything for themselves by someone else's hands. There can be no union with them, even during the Second World War, when our country was bleeding, they were looking only for their own benefit. A simple example: when the Germans came to the Caucasus, the United States and Britain in southern Iran were preparing squadrons of aircraft to bomb Baku at the same time as the Germans. Or the delay in the opening of 2 front, it was beneficial for them that we weakened as much as possible together with Germany and then come to ready.
        2. OTTO
          OTTO 1 October 2013 10: 42 New
          +7
          Quote: eplewke
          It’s better to be friends with the yellow ones than to sleep under a mattress ...

          Perhaps it is better to be friends with the yellow and sleep on the mattress ...
          But we must not forget that China has its own interests, and some of these interests concern our territories.
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 1 October 2013 19: 06 New
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            Quote: OTTO

            Perhaps it is better to be friends with the yellow and sleep on the mattress ...
            But we must not forget that China has its own interests, and some of these interests concern our territories.

            Russia and China have been bordering for over 500 years, and besides local conflicts of misunderstandings and wars between us.
            The USA has existed for 200 years and is constantly pursuing a hostile policy against Russia, even when it is considered to be allies. So our choice is not rich and obvious.
        3. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 1 October 2013 11: 25 New
          +8
          The Chinese, of course, are brothers forever, and all that, but it’s painfully cunningly their eyes are narrowed ... what
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 1 October 2013 14: 51 New
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            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Well, it’s painfully cunning, their eyes are squinted.

            Tell me, who has narrowed his eyes more cunningly, from China or from Netanya and his ilk?
        4. Scorpio
          Scorpio 1 October 2013 12: 36 New
          -1
          Which is better? Why is the Chinese ass sweeter than the American?
          1. rolik
            rolik 1 October 2013 16: 16 New
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            Quote: Scorpio
            ? Why is the Chinese ass sweeter than the American?

            Oooh)))) Maestro understands the taste, sorry, asses ???)))))
        5. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 2 October 2013 01: 19 New
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          Quote: eplewke
          It’s better to be friends with the yellow ones than to sleep under a mattress ...


          All the same, neutrality looks more preferably when you choose between sodomy and loss of self-determination.
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 1 October 2013 10: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: alex13-61
        Today closed all federal services

        Well, that's it - I got excited: only 40% ... and happiness was so close ...
      3. klimpopov
        klimpopov 1 October 2013 11: 10 New
        +4
        Yes, all the same and still the same. They have this normal phenomenon. At least for the state at least for the county at least for the village. Did not accept the budget? Services on a suction (except emergency), until they accept. Yes, and their machine is working. Such a hat was in 2008, so they muddied the crisis. Another façade deception of the world.
        Although I really want to say: "good bye America oooo ..."
        is an annual American farce called Budget Adoption. Its task is to show that there is real democracy in the country, and politicians are fighting to the death for the interests of the common people. Well, as a bonus - profits from fluctuations in stock and foreign exchange markets.
        1. 31231
          31231 1 October 2013 11: 59 New
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          It seems to me that now the Republicans have rested well. Too Obama's person is dark and the public debt is only growing. The international need for bucks is declining.
      4. 31231
        31231 1 October 2013 11: 54 New
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        Congress is a pleasure to look at state credit. Just like the Ukrainian Council.
      5. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 1 October 2013 14: 46 New
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        Quote: alex13-61
        Today all federal services have been closed - the budget has not been adopted

        A similar thing has already taken place. T.O. This is not the first time, do not get used
        Quote: alex13-61
        Probably, they cannot deal with the ceiling of the public debt.

        Oh no, we haven’t reached this point yet. This discussion is yet to come.
      6. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 1 October 2013 23: 26 New
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        Quote: ramsi
        it’s better to disappear than any alliance with the United States

        Quote: alex13-61
        Another question: what will happen to the United States by 2035 ... Today all federal services have been closed - the budget has not been adopted ... Probably, they cannot figure out the ceiling of the state debt.

        Disappearing is also not worth it. Today, the United States is shaking, if it collapses, then China, a market-oriented US will fly in the wake. Then the place will be cleared, because it is clear that not Europeans will occupy it.
    2. bodriy
      bodriy 1 October 2013 10: 23 New
      +4
      An alliance with the United States, is he laughing or what?! Maybe he’s filming them in the local gum ?! You won’t wait !!! stop
    3. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      i_vam_ne_hvoratj 1 October 2013 10: 33 New
      +6
      I agree, colleague. Since 1945, our former allies went their own way and went far ... Our overseas friends have paranoia. And the opinion of their experts does not bother me much.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 October 2013 11: 32 New
        +7
        they always went their own way, and what kind of allies they were, helped the Germans at the beginning of the war in the hope that they would succeed in crushing the USSR, and by the end when they realized that it was bad they went over to snatch and snatch ... and don’t forget how these Allies in 1918 in the North tore apart Russia, and how many Russian people were destroyed.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 October 2013 14: 02 New
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          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          and we must not forget how these allies in 1918 in the North tore apart Russia, and how many Russian people were destroyed.

          And also do not forget how our grandfathers celebrated with them in Normandy and in Berlin the victory. As well as the opportunity to transfer ten divisions from the Far East (which were there to deter the Japanese army) when the states entered the war with Japan, drawing attention to themselves. In the behavior of any ruling elite, you can find shoals. It should be guided only by practically useful or not, actions in a specific situation.
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 1 October 2013 19: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: GSH-18

            And also do not forget how our grandfathers celebrated with them in Normandy and in Berlin the victory. As well as the opportunity to transfer ten divisions from the Far East (which were there to deter the Japanese army) when the states entered the war with Japan, drawing attention to themselves. In the behavior of any ruling elite, you can find shoals. It should be guided only by practically useful or not, actions in a specific situation.

            Our grandfathers did not land in Normandy, and the Yankees did not reach Berlin, they did not celebrate anything together, there was no reason for this. There was only a meeting on the Elbe, not always and not everywhere friendly from the Yankees.
            The Japanese were not drawn back by the Yankees, but by the Mongol-Soviet troops, in 1939 on Khalkhin Gol, and so delayed that they lost all desire to fight the USSR.
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 1 October 2013 13: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: ramsi
      it’s better to disappear than any alliance with the United States

      Most likely I’m minus now. But such statements (in my opinion) smack of rabid populism, caused by a wave of anti-American sentiment, both in Russia and around the world. Political activity is more multifaceted and responsible than the everyday view of the states caused by the irresponsible behavior of the ruling state elite.
      Simply put, if a Chinese AK sticks a slanted guy to your forehead, your opinion will change dramatically. I, too, am not a supporter of the conclusion of economic or military alliances with the United States, but there are times when you have to choose between bad and very bad. Remember the history of the Second World War, when the states helped the USSR with finances, food and military equipment ..
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 1 October 2013 14: 02 New
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        Quote: GSH-18
        however, there are times when you have to choose between bad and very bad ...

        at the moment, I see no difference between Nazi Germany and the United States. China, likewise, has not yet shown itself
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 October 2013 14: 12 New
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          Quote: ramsi
          at the moment, I see no difference between Nazi Germany and the United States. China, likewise, has not yet shown itself

          If he could, he had already shown it for a long time. Remember the incident at Damansky. And in 10-15 years he will be able to. I about it.
          I do not condone the US foreign policy (God forbid), however, if the Russian Federation had a comparable economy and economic interests around the world (one of the other follows), then our policy would be different from the US one. They simply do not want to lose markets and former spheres of influence, and there is already not enough strength, so they squeal from exertion and annoyance! laughing
          1. ramsi
            ramsi 1 October 2013 14: 19 New
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            and yet, there is that which is. I, too, am not a fan of China, but an alliance with it is still possible. With Germany, too (we fought and won), with the states ... well, no way, although there may be common ground
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 1 October 2013 14: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: ramsi
              I, too, am not a fan of China, but an alliance with it is still possible. With Germany, too (we fought and won), with the states ... well, no way, although there may be common ground

              We fought with Germany, and now we are friends (even though she is in NATO). It's all about incompatibility, then bish in the different (sometimes diametrically) directed interests of the ruling elites of the two states. Imagine that the states (as now Europe) would have a productive desire to buy large quantities of Russian hydrocarbons at bargain prices. It is not difficult to imagine HOW Russian and US domestic propaganda would change lol
              1. ramsi
                ramsi 1 October 2013 15: 46 New
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                Quote: GSH-18
                Imagine that the states (as now Europe) would have a productive desire to buy large quantities of Russian hydrocarbons at bargain prices. It is not difficult to imagine HOW Russian and US domestic propaganda would change lol

                it is - yes! But just do not be deceived (until they really did not measure themselves with "pipis"), and so far not everything has been paid for the bills
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 1 October 2013 19: 33 New
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        Quote: GSH-18
        if a Chinese AK sticks a slanted guy to your forehead, your opinion will change dramatically. I, too, am not a supporter of the conclusion of economic or military alliances with the United States, but there are times when you have to choose between bad and very bad. Remember the history of the Second World War, when states helped the USSR finance, food and military equipment ..

        The slanted guy doesn’t know who, whom and where to put, and the Yankees have already put 1000 military bases surrounding Russia on our foreheads.
        American "aid" cost the USSR dearly, everything was paid for. The best and most understandable help would be the entry of the United States into the war with Hitler, not in 1944, but in 1941.
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 2 October 2013 07: 13 New
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        Quote: GSH-18
        Quote: ramsi
        it’s better to disappear than any alliance with the United States

        Most likely I’m minus now. But such statements (in my opinion) smack of rabid populism, due to the wave of anti-American sentiment, both in Russia and around the world.
        Well, gun, do not disdain the plus from the old revolver. drinks
      4. rolik
        rolik 3 October 2013 15: 44 New
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        Quote: GSH-18
        when the states helped the USSR with finances,

        Rather, on the contrary, it was We who gave our gold for Their help with technology and others. There was no altruism on the part of the mattresses, there was only BUSINESS AND NOTHING PERSONAL.
    5. eagle11
      eagle11 1 October 2013 15: 20 New
      +2
      China hates Russia, it is a fact.
    6. Army1
      Army1 1 October 2013 16: 44 New
      +1
      The AHA found a fool with our hands to crush the Chinese, and then fill up the rest, and now the United States is again a superpower.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 October 2013 16: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Army1
        The AHA found a fool with our hands to crush the Chinese, and then fill up the rest, and now the United States is again a superpower.

        Here I completely agree. This two-way combination is undoubtedly the pink dream of the State Department! We need to build some kind of system of interaction with China so that our Chinese friends do not come up with the crazy idea of ​​"take and divide", backed up not only by the strategic nuclear forces, but also by a convincing military group equipped with superior military equipment. Then everything will be burned, you can calmly continue to be friends yes
    7. timer
      timer 1 October 2013 22: 28 New
      0
      This is the easiest solution. A horseradish on the snout of the Americans! I think that we must act cunningly, quarrel China and America, weakening one and not letting the other turn around and have its own benefits on each side; we need to cooperate with China only skillfully (by the principle you give me, I tell you), and the Chinese from the regions of Siberia and the Far East need to be squeezed out (for example, to introduce a special tax on the Chinese and their companies)
  2. Selevc
    Selevc 1 October 2013 08: 45 New
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    But American experts are not the first to express their thoughts on the Russian-American alliance against China. They often slander China, noting that it is now crushing neighboring countries, and also wants to take hold of Russian natural resources.

    I wonder how this China crushes neighboring countries under itself if it has not been able to do anything for more than half a century with its rebellious province of Taiwan. Talk about Greater China is greatly hyped, and above all in the Western press with the hope of driving a wedge into Russian-Chinese cooperation !!!
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 1 October 2013 08: 56 New
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      I don’t know how it will be in 2035, but I know for sure that now it is the United States with its politics, all-out interference, and sticking its nose in all the holes, and from above this sandwich is crowned with the ambitions of the Great Power. It is they who are a threat to the whole world. If this goes further, then we may not live to see 2035. But in essence, I agree with the fact that this is an attempt to drive a wedge of discord between countries. What would then divide and rule.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 1 October 2013 10: 26 New
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        Totally agree with you.
        To make friends with the Russians against the Chinese until the last Russian is the goal of American politics.
        Moreover, almost no economy exists between our states. And vice versa, Magnitsky acts.
        The USA is an aggressive, evil and deceitful state.
        The elite is separated from its people.
        1. OTTO
          OTTO 1 October 2013 10: 48 New
          +7
          Quote: Dmitry 2246
          To make friends with the Russians against the Chinese until the last Russian is the goal of American politics.

          Alas, little has changed over the past two hundred years, our "allies" have always been ready to bravely fight to the last Russian soldier with any enemy.
    2. Very old
      Very old 1 October 2013 11: 51 New
      +4
      The Chinese mentality. They know how to wait. They know that they will return Taiwan sooner or later. Remember: 743, 867 and many more "Chinese warnings". So what? Who is heading into the Chinese sky today? They know how to WAIT.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 1 October 2013 12: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Very old
        Chinese mentality. They know how to wait.

        Well, we don’t have a bad mentality, Harness for a long time, but then quickly drive. I think our analysts are not bad, and they are belted by a BELT, so let the US end partners let us deal with our neighbors ourselves and analyze possible complications. PS In China, history is taught to students, AND THE BORDERS OF CHINA ARE SPECIFIED THERE TO THE URAL. THIS IS SO FOR MEDITATION. They all lay softly, but you only have to sleep hard.
        1. 17085
          17085 1 October 2013 13: 45 New
          +1
          Alliance with openers? Not sure. The hysteria about the yellow threat filled my teeth, and the authors usually sing to the tune of the State Department. Everything is clear here, if they yell that the Russian bastards mean that we are doing everything right, they squeal - the Russians are right, the first thought was blaspheming. So, when they call against, I just feel in my gut, I have to. drinks
  3. Guun
    Guun 1 October 2013 08: 46 New
    +5
    They are doing everything to incite two titans against each other, and on the side to look and at the end to speak on the winner’s side - that’s what the UB people from overseas want. Blood of millions they do not how much. It is necessary Russia and China to rally against the whole West.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 1 October 2013 09: 04 New
      +7
      Quote: Guun
      It is necessary Russia and China to rally against the whole West.


      I completely agree. You have to be a complete idiot to enter into any alliance with a country that does not hide the fact that "it is ready to lose 100 million Russians in the war with China," and for it this will be an acceptable and even desirable loss. I think there are not many in our country who would like to carry chestnuts out of the fire for Americans.
      1. Scorpio
        Scorpio 1 October 2013 12: 39 New
        -4
        Quote: Stiletto
        there are few in our country who want to carry chestnuts for americos from the fire.

        Is there a lot for the Chinese?
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 1 October 2013 08: 47 New
    +7
    "More and more people are treating China favorably."- it seems to me that these are those who live far from the border in the PRC. We should not trust our "neighbor." The partnership is strategic, I agree and is directed just against the United States, now we need it, but nobody canceled the expansion on the part of China ... hi
    1. Fin
      Fin 1 October 2013 12: 28 New
      +7
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      You shouldn't trust our "neighbor" so much.

      You can trust, but first put on the Far East the necessary number of troops to deter. Everyone respects strength, weakness is the temptation to grab someone else's good.
      An alliance with the Yankees ... for what? Let them sit across the ocean, you need to be friends with your neighbors. China has various problems almost all around the perimeter of Japan, Vietnam, India, Nepal, South Korea in the underbelly.
      They are unlikely to be in conflict with us, but we need to keep our ears open.
    2. rodevaan
      rodevaan 2 October 2013 02: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Valery Neon
      "More and more people are treating China favorably."- it seems to me that these are those who live far from the border in the PRC. We should not trust our "neighbor." The partnership is strategic, I agree and is directed just against the United States, now we need it, but nobody canceled the expansion on the part of China ... hi


      - Come on, the old worn-out hurdy-gurdy starts again - there is no such expansion! There is no it anywhere, and it never was! I live in Vladivostok - here you can walk to the border with China, go shopping on weekends - like from Kaliningrad to Poland or Lithuania. In the 90s, EVERYONE without exception kept repeating and squealing about the terrible and mythical "yellow threat"! And where is she now? Go find here with us a Chinese for a ruble or twenty! They are not here at all - go look! But chuchmari and churbeks climb in crowds, I’ll save from them already ...
      What kind of "threat" are you talking about, China has overtaken us for 100 years ... Nafig we did not surrender to them .. They have more important things to do than "seep in small groups of a million people" on essentially dense coastal lands ...
  5. rugor
    rugor 1 October 2013 08: 50 New
    +4
    They often slander China, noting that it is now crushing neighboring countries, and wants to take possession of Russian natural resources.


    Russian natural resources are freely sold, and China has money like a fool of a shag.
  6. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 1 October 2013 08: 52 New
    10
    How will China develop? Good question. What should he do overseas when such riches and virgin untouched territory with pitiful hearths along the railway are under his nose? and rivers of human presence. Priamurye and Primorye are actually their possessions. The fifth column has already crossed the Urals. And the phrase "Russian with Chinese" can sound like "Russian Chinese". What are the authorities thinking about? On increasing equity capital and its safety, invested in overseas banks. What can be a guarantee? Shifting China's attention from the US to Russia. So? The government is in exile and the people are tumbling with their problems on their own.
    Do you think that these people think about Russia and the people?
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 1 October 2013 09: 54 New
      +3
      I completely agree, they don’t think anything. We are between a rock and a hard place, And there it will take out like a curve.
    2. Mhpv
      Mhpv 1 October 2013 11: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Do you think that these people think about Russia and the people?

      And these ?
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 1 October 2013 11: 42 New
        +3
        Dreams of the people: "A thief must go to jail!"
  7. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 October 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    “Don't worry,” said the United States, “my project will guarantee your city an unprecedented flourishing of productive forces. Think about what will happen when the tournament is over and when all the guests leave. Residents of Moscow, constrained by the housing crisis, will rush to your magnificent city. The capital will automatically pass The government comes here. The Vasyuki are renamed New Moscow, Moscow - Old Vasyuki. Leningraders and Kharkiv residents grind their teeth, but can do nothing. New Moscow is becoming the most elegant center of Europe, and soon the whole world. "
  8. Lindon
    Lindon 1 October 2013 09: 00 New
    +5
    USA dominates the world with 1991.
    It is necessary to put an end to the unipolar world in favor of a multipolar one.
    The author misses India. In the event China takes off and dominates the region - Russia will embrace India - together they can restrain China without the United States.
    The more global players, the more balanced the global system.
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 1 October 2013 09: 57 New
      0
      So a large communal apartment is better than a small one.
  9. VadimL
    VadimL 1 October 2013 09: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: rugor
    They often slander China, noting that it is now crushing neighboring countries, and wants to take possession of Russian natural resources.


    Russian natural resources are freely sold, and China has money like a fool of a shag.


    True, China will not fight for what is cheaper to buy. We are already driving raw materials and energy to China.
    In addition, there are external factors such as India and Japan. These two states are actively arming themselves and have fairly tense relations with China. In such a situation, it is unprofitable for China to clash with Russia.
    Of course, this does not preclude the creeping expansion of Chinese influence on our territory in the form of the penetration of Chinese capital and labor migrants. But this is already a question for our own financial and migration policies.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 1 October 2013 16: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: VadimL
      True, China will not fight for what is cheaper to buy. We are already driving raw materials and energy to China.

      Why buy what you can just take ?? China can, in a short time, put under arms 140 million. fighters. We have 100 thousand on the border. grouping!
      Quote: VadimL
      In such a situation, it is unprofitable for China to clash with Russia.

      The global political environment is changing, and the need for resources has been, is and will be. The only conclusion is that the true friends of Russia are the Army and the Navy. All the rest dynamically pass from "friends" to "apponents" and back, depending on the political situation.
  10. erased
    erased 1 October 2013 09: 06 New
    +6
    That China may threaten Russia in the near future is a fact. Like the states that have long been threatening. So we must strive for peace with everyone, but keep the powder dry and the missiles in the mines. The true friends of Russia are the army and navy. Although these friends are still weak and sick. It's time to heal and put on your feet.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 October 2013 09: 22 New
      +6
      Rather, we can expect an alliance between the United States and China, against Russia, well, our lands, especially Siberia and the Arctic, do not give them rest.
  11. Khabarov
    Khabarov 1 October 2013 09: 11 New
    +2
    US allies? This is only when it is beneficial to them, or there is some kind of threat. World War II and all post-war history show what kind of allies they are. Problems end, friendship ends. The real threat for us is rather ours through a corrupt, mediocre government. As the satirist Raikin (on behalf of an official) said: "Not one saboteur will do as much as I will, if only I lift a finger. Better take my salary home."
  12. Ihrek
    Ihrek 1 October 2013 09: 15 New
    +2
    Russia really was very friendly in the early 90s, even too, often to the detriment of its national interests, hoping for reciprocity. But as we know there was no reciprocity, rather, on the contrary, they abused it, I would say they used it against us. Hence the conclusion that amers never were our friends and never will be. A good alternative to this is China or India, better with both.
    1. eagle11
      eagle11 1 October 2013 15: 28 New
      +3
      What territories did we give the USA? But China ...
  13. RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 09: 20 New
    +2
    The United States, after about 20 years, will surrender, and if not, which of them are allies, let us recall the 2nd World War, from the beginning of Germany financially helped to fan the war, on which they eventually heated their hands, and opened a second front when it became clear that The Red Army, and without allies, will sweep away fascism, longer not in May of the 45th, but it will certainly sweep away.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 1 October 2013 16: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      The United States, after about 20 years, will surrender, and if not, which of them are allies, let us recall the 2nd World War, from the beginning of Germany financially helped to fan the war, on which they eventually heated their hands, and opened a second front when it became clear that The army, and without allies, will sweep away fascism, longer not in May of the 45th, but it will surely sweep away.

      You are right here, but with one caveat. Hitlerite Germany was helped by American industrialists and financiers at their own peril and risk in the hope of breaking more dough, which had factories and other assets in Germany. If they had not helped them, the Germans would immediately confiscate everything. But the decision on military financial assistance to the USSR was made by the US government.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 October 2013 17: 36 New
        0
        In the United States, it is not known who is more influential, the government or financiers with industrialists, and they both have influence on each other.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 October 2013 17: 43 New
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          In the United States, it is not known who is more influential, the government or financiers with industrialists, and they both have influence on each other.

          So everywhere. However, making decisions at the government and president levels is tantamount to agreeing with the whole country. Yes, and the government will have more resources.
  14. andrei332809
    andrei332809 1 October 2013 09: 27 New
    +1
    William Zimmerman, a professor at the University of Michigan, who took part in the discussion, called everything by his own names, directly saying that such a “common threat” is China. Zimmerman said that by the 2035 year, China would be a sufficient threat to Russia and the United States join forces to fight the PRC,

    amers do not want to give up their dreams.
  15. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 1 October 2013 09: 29 New
    +5
    The robber preoccupied with the fate of the victim, said that they now have a common threat - the precinct. So touching.
  16. Sunjar
    Sunjar 1 October 2013 09: 55 New
    +3
    Strategic partnerships should not be established with the United States at the moment due to their situation and approaches to doing business. But you have to be careful with China. Pay attention to the fact that China has taken a very convenient position in supporting Russia on the Syrian issue: Russia is actively involved in resolving this issue, spending its resources (it probably took a lot of money), the United States is investing incredible efforts in starting a war (there’s even more money you have to spend), it loses face, like a state in any situation, and China doesn’t carry out any particular movements, but at the same time receives its benefits. In the case of a fiasco (I hope this will not happen) with the destruction of chemical weapons in Syria, they will take the position that, they say, Russia has muddied everything from it and ask.
    If in the USA by the 2035 year a zugunder happens, then there it will be possible to enlist their support. Then they will be happy to help Russia, on conditions favorable to us. In addition, through diplomacy, as many have already written, it will be possible to tighten India and Japan.
    The cunning Chinese should be monitored very carefully. They are painfully assassin.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 1 October 2013 10: 21 New
      +2
      Syria is our ally, neither we nor Syria are allies of China. China's ally in the Middle East - Pakistan, when they are about to bomb Pakistan, will it really bother us? Will we support China on the Pakistan issue. If they ask, then obviously remembering help in Syria - yes, and we will ask for something else, as China asked and received a favorable oil price for support in Syria. All this, and not friendship in a hickey, is called and is a foreign policy.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 1 October 2013 17: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Sunjar
      The cunning Chinese should be monitored very carefully. They are painfully assassin.

      laughing
      Very accurately noticed! I agree with you completely.
  17. demonuga
    demonuga 1 October 2013 10: 14 New
    +2
    Somehow 10-12 years ago, one of the American politicians hinted that the United States would fight China with the "hands" of Russia. This is why the United States is muddying the waters. And the expansion of China is the same as that of other countries wishing to benefit from Russia with the help of corrupt Russian officials, "businessmen" and other powers that be.
  18. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 1 October 2013 10: 25 New
    +7
    China will still show itself. Moreover, it will show far less friendly than now. There is no doubt about this ...
    Will we then be able to break the backbone of the "dragon from the Celestial Empire" on our own, or will we do it in alliance with someone, this is the second question ... Moreover, here India will look more logical as the first friends and allies, and not America ...

    And a little addition ... I read the comments. In many of them, esteemed colleagues on the site voiced the idea that, they say, an American professor specifically advanced this thesis in order to drive a wedge ... Perhaps this is not far from the truth ...
    Likewise, the Chinese expert paints a blissful picture of the "great-Chinese" development ... Too blissful. And this alarms (me personally) much more than horror stories from an American professor ...

    "Great" China will be friends with us just as long, and as long as it is beneficial to it. And not a second more ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 October 2013 11: 21 New
      +2
      I am sure our leadership is sure of this, just as Stalin was sure that a war with Germany was inevitable, calling Hitler a bandit with whom it was impossible to agree and should not be conceded, this was about the surrender of Czechoslovakia and the annexation of Austria, but why did they overslept on June 22? Now the main thing is not to oversleep for the second time.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 1 October 2013 13: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        I am sure our management is confident

        Knowing our leadership, I’m not sure of anything ...
        Quote: RUSS
        Now the main thing is not to oversleep a second time

        Do not worry about this, Maxim. The alarm clock is too loud ...
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 1 October 2013 17: 40 New
          +1
          Vasily, the most interesting thing is that the Chinese say definitely simple and correct words - "we are going to the Dal. East, not because we need it, but because YOU DO NOT NEED it." And this is the bitter truth, nothing has been done in 25 years to improve the economic situation in our East ...
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 1 October 2013 17: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            we go to the Dal. East not because we need it, but because YOU DO NOT NEED it "

            And why did they get this ?? belay Again amersky approach- "Can't remove the stain? Then we're coming to you!" We will deal with our territories ourselves. We did not call "teachers"! am
  19. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 1 October 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    Americans still consider themselves smarter than everyone on earth, but I wonder who else thinks so besides themselves, in my opinion no one. Well, let yourself console yourself. These traitors have proved more than once that they cannot be trusted. Even in the war against Hitler, they seemed to accidentally attack the Soviet troops. and immediately after the war there were not a few such blows, dozens.
  20. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 1 October 2013 10: 41 New
    +2
    What is it, again they want to use Russia as a battering ram against their next geopolitical rival, like in the First World War? How interesting it turns out, as soon as a new (possible) world leader appears in the world, Russia (Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm) is usually pitted against him and go Russian soldiers to die for England (against Napoleon), or for the interests of the English, French or American capitalists (against the Kaiser), if the Russian leadership does not want to fight for the interests of the Anglo-Saxons (Paul 1), then it gets a snuff-box on the head and chokes with a scarf and the place comes "grateful" Alexander 1, with Nikolashka 2, the Anglo-Saxons were generally lucky because it is easier to cheat with idealistic fools. If Russia is headed not by an autistic or a corrupt Western prostitute, and there is no way to use a scarf with a snuffbox as with Stalin, then the possible leader is pitted against Russia, as happened with the Third Reich, when the British promised the Fuehrer mountains of gold if only he would deal with the USSR. Now there are no idiots in power, and I think that they have studied history and understand perfectly well that the path to hegemony does not go through the United States, or Japan or Germany, but through Russia, if Russia and China manage to stay together and avoid scarves, snuff boxes, "democratic revolutions" or nerds in power, America will quietly die by itself, but you need to understand that until this wonderful moment the Anglo-Saxons will do everything possible to embroil Russia and China and use their beloved ram.
  21. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 1 October 2013 10: 49 New
    +2
    The article was interesting, in the first words ... after reading on the line no further than 10 I saw "Professor of the University of Michigan William Zimmerman", and somehow everything became clear))) Amers are trying to pass off wishful thinking.
  22. Sirs
    Sirs 1 October 2013 11: 24 New
    +2
    Everything will be fine with us. We will always bend our line! And who wants with us, is the question?
  23. RUSS
    RUSS 1 October 2013 11: 26 New
    +2
    It is also not worth hoping that we have nuclear weapons and air defense - "there is a nut for every bolt", how many great empires and states have fallen so far, which even in a nightmare did not imagine their decline, someone disintegrated through their own fault, someone from external aggression.
  24. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 1 October 2013 11: 46 New
    +3
    Our task is to make the United States clash with China on its territory
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 1 October 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      Our task is to make the United States clash with China on its territory

      This is CORRECT. Beat the enemy with his weapon.
  25. sys-1985
    sys-1985 1 October 2013 11: 46 New
    +2
    They sleep and see .. rake the heat with the wrong hands ..
  26. major071
    major071 1 October 2013 12: 19 New
    +7
    As history shows, during its existence, the SaSH government almost always used the same scenario. First, we will quarrel between friends (comrades, neighbors, etc., etc.), and then we will use the results. They always start stealthily, I think that the plan to quarrel Russia with China has been written for a long time and is slowly being implemented. Today is one article, tomorrow another, the day after tomorrow Hollywood will release a film where the brave US marines, along with Russian paratroopers, save the world from treacherous Chinese.
    America cannot be trusted, but China must be treated with caution, they also have sly faces ...
    1. Scorpio
      Scorpio 1 October 2013 20: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: major071
      the day after tomorrow Hollywood will release a film where the gallant US Marines, along with Russian paratroopers, save the world from treacherous Chinese

      There will be no such thing, because there are more spectators in China. As an example, a remake of "Red Dawn" where they originally planned the Chinese were replaced by Koreans and Russians, so that the film is not banned in China.
  27. revera92
    revera92 1 October 2013 12: 26 New
    +1
    The fate of the world is in the hands of cunning and traders. Is it possible to endure so much?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 October 2013 12: 32 New
      +2
      Jews again?
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 October 2013 12: 43 New
        +1
        Well, someone else should be to blame!)))
  28. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 1 October 2013 12: 43 New
    0
    Western-style democratic values ​​nowadays are increasingly rooted in the minds of the Russian elite

    The Sabbath of the Liberalists continues.
    Valdai is the brainchild of Karagan & co, so their goal is the same, the destruction of Russia and the Russians to please the Anglo-Saxons. So there is no need to expect good and good from there.
    Pitting Russia and China for the sake of the Anglo-Saxons is the same as pitting Russia and Germany, at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, for the sake of the same Anglo-Saxons.
  29. Nayhas
    Nayhas 1 October 2013 13: 02 New
    +3
    Russia cannot be an ally with the United States against China, if only because we have a long land border with China, but not with the United States. Unfortunately, Russia is forced to "be friends" with China, no matter what. But we must understand that we are not friends to the Chinese, they have NO FRIENDS at all! Tell me at least one nation to which the Chinese are friendly? The Chinese either despise or hate their neighbors. What good has China done for Russia? Let's list:
    - buying scrap non-ferrous metals from Russia, this is what killed the domestic defense industry.
    - buying up forests, thousands of hectares of illegally cut down forest, destruction of the Russian forest industry.
    - the seizure of our marine resources, Chinese holdings control the production of fish in the Far East.
    -the supply to Russia of synthetic drugs that are produced in China at industrial enterprises, Chinese synthetic drugs displace Afghan heroin.
    Here is such a damn ally ...
  30. silver_roman
    silver_roman 1 October 2013 13: 03 New
    0
    For Russia, caught between the PRC and the United States, it would be most reasonable to maintain neutrality.

    I fully support this idea of ​​the author and add from myself that it would be worth using the confrontation between Syshya and China. Like in the good old days: exhausting both of your opponents, helping everyone in turn, trying to profit. It is clear to everyone that the interests of other parties are ignored by all parties and the main thing is to cover your rear. It is clear that we are building an alliance with the United States - substituting our fifth point. China is also worried about its pressure on the Far East. Gradually buying up shares, plumbing into any gap created. The situation with Uralkallium is an example of this.

    So it is necessary to approach such issues extremely pragmatically. With a cold head and wild egoism.
  31. ROA
    ROA 1 October 2013 13: 12 New
    -1
    The main paradox of our relations with the states is that we always spoil each other, sponsor enemies, etc. However, if it presses as in 1941, then we stand under the same banner. By the way, the scoop with the Germans warped since the times of the Weimar Republic, we supplied them with resources and other nishtyaks, held joint parades, shared Poland for the fourth time. However, they then dealt us such a blow that Russia has not yet recovered. So with China, we kiss almost in a hickey, and then we get a knife in the back.
  32. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 1 October 2013 13: 45 New
    +1
    For Russia, caught between the PRC and the United States, it would be most reasonable to maintain neutrality.

    Yes, no one has any illusions, neither the United States nor China are friends to us, but potential enemies.
  33. Parabelum
    Parabelum 1 October 2013 14: 31 New
    0
    An alliance with the United States (also with Britain) is impossible for simple objective reasons. They are located on another continent. For the United States to have an economic recovery, it is necessary to make sure that there are no competitors left. Therefore, peace on the continent of Eurasia is not included in their long-term plans. For America, the policy of English colonialism is more beneficial, to maintain hotbeds of tension. Then it’s easier to control the same Europe. Russia, as well as China, peace on the continent is much preferable to this overseas well-wisher.
  34. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 1 October 2013 15: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: major071
    As history shows, during its existence, the SaSH government almost always used the same scenario. First, we will quarrel between friends (comrades, neighbors, etc., etc.), and then we will use the results. They always start stealthily, I think that the plan to quarrel Russia with China has been written for a long time and is slowly being implemented. Today is one article, tomorrow another, the day after tomorrow Hollywood will release a film where the brave US marines, along with Russian paratroopers, save the world from treacherous Chinese.
    America cannot be trusted, but China must be treated with caution, they also have sly faces ...

    Definitely, Russia has one friend and ally at all times, this is its army! But it’s not worth lying in politics! For the mistake of reckoning with the population and territory. The issue price is prohibitively high. Russia is a very tasty morsel for everyone and we will not be left alone, so neutrality is not possible here. It remains to play these deadly political games.
  35. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 1 October 2013 15: 31 New
    +1
    Here everyone is tired of nonsense. America will not, China will pose. Will we be? We (I mean Russia) have much more risks to disappear. Both China and the United States created political systems that work poorly or well, but our Kremlin Pharisees did not create a system, but a vertical mother. Think removed the Pharisee number one and what will happen to all this vertical. The nineties will appear in kindergarten. And if tomorrow near Ashad a landmine works, how long does the Syrian elite survive without it. And this means the oil pipeline to Europe from the Persian monarchies has taken place and everything in Russia has no budget concept and again the USSR’s path will be repeated. Our guys from the Kremlin need to work. I used to think they were reluctant, but over time I realized they could not but competent. That's the whole circle closed.
  36. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 1 October 2013 16: 39 New
    +2
    China, USA ... Radish horseradish is not sweeter.
  37. Agent 008
    Agent 008 1 October 2013 17: 24 New
    +1
    The most terrible enemies live with us - it is CORRUPTION and thieves ... So they cause the greatest damage to our country! If China and America are afraid of our missiles, then THEM OFFICERS are not afraid of anything ... They are only afraid that they will run out of oil and gas, and there will be nothing to fill their pockets with ... I really hope that by the 2035 year we will defeat corruption, and we will transfer everyone who betrays national interests ...
  38. godun
    godun 1 October 2013 17: 44 New
    +3
    Neither the United States nor China is very much like the good Grandfather Frost, and each of them pursues its own interests in relations with Russia, but ... China, among other things, `` quietly '' populates the Far East and they do not come to us, they come instead of us. Therefore, we need a carefully thought out, balanced and firm policy with both those and others in defending their interests. Unfortunately, in today's realities, firmness manifests itself only in defending the personal interests of those in power, and otherwise only words and where the curve will take.
  39. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 1 October 2013 17: 46 New
    +3
    I came to serve in the Far East in 1969, when the smoke of the battles for Fr. Damansky. The atmosphere was depressing. Our people were really afraid of the Chinese avalanche attack. This was especially noticeable in Primorye. The Chinese need only the command of the next "helmsman". Therefore, friendship with the Chinese should be reasonable and careful. Friendship with America, this is something from the category of anecdotes. Who wants to be friends with cheaters? No one!
  40. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 1 October 2013 18: 35 New
    0
    The United States, currently the hegemon in the western hemisphere, is trying to prevent China from becoming the hegemon in most of the eastern hemisphere. Further, Kaplan writes that in order not to yield to China, the United States can enter into a strategic alliance with Russia. As for Russia, it may well accept such a proposal, because China is now allegedly conducting a leisurely seizure of the sparsely populated territories of the Far East and Siberia with the help of its settlers; Chinese companies are gradually “leaking” there.

    Kappan either deliberately lies, or is mistaken.
    The United States will never enter into an alliance with Russia against China, but rather, on the contrary, will heat up anti-Russian sentiment in China. Russia and China are dangerous rivals, therefore, they must be pitted so that they destroy each other. Indeed, after all, in the 2 century, the arrogant Saxons managed to pit Russia and Germany twice.
    Russia has a tremendous strategic advantage over China. China is concentrated on a narrow densely populated territory along the sea, it has no other territories.
    Russia, its main industrial-economic and military power, is 6000 km from China in the Urals and west of it. Even the loss of D. Vostok and V. Sibiri will not be for Russia, it is militarily dangerous, and an atomic strike on China will mean the complete destruction of its population and industry.
    The chatter about the Chinese "unhurried seizure of sparsely populated territories of the Far East and Siberia with the help of their settlers" is an example of ignorance and stupidity. Even if all the Chinese move there, it will still be the territory of the Russian Federation, not China, in the next 100-200 years, and all settlers and companies will work for Russia, not China.
    Kosovo Albanians have been unhurriedly capturing 500 years, and even then, if there hadn’t been NATO’s help and Beni Reltsin’s betrayal, the Serbs for the 2-3 of the year would have thrown them from their lands.
    1. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 2 October 2013 00: 40 New
      0
      I’m afraid you’re a little wrong. Now it’s more profitable for China to be friends with Russia, but where will this dragon turn its head to? This is a question, after all, everyone needs resources and lands, but especially you can say a freebie under the naga, and if China’s power grows at such an impressive pace, then the alliance of Russia and the United States will it is possible, but with a caveat to the fact that they really will try to bump our heads together, but when part of Siberia is captured and both armies are exhausted, the states will also enter the war in Russia under the guise of world savior, because they also have considerable views of the Siberian riches and give them to China just like that do not collect (they feed on them too))! it’s just that after this war Siberian bowels can be stats of anyone’s wish (USA, China), but I’m already afraid I’m not finally Russian, or at worst Canets shared with the USA! a paradox, but it is thanks to this triplet that the relatively poorly protected huge Far East and Siberia are still relatively calm!
      Of course, it is more profitable for Russia that these two superpowers gobble up each other (also a possible option) and we would sit aside which is practically impossible! but the union of China and America (and this is also possible) can affect us very badly, but the ideological component seems to not allow this to happen, although if China's power is comparable from the United States, the latter can nevertheless come to terms in dividing the world between saba!
      in general, if briefly, something like this is the case))
  41. Aydar
    Aydar 1 October 2013 19: 04 New
    0
    Most likely in 1938-40, similar "professors" from England and the United States spoke of Germany becoming a threat to the USSR. These "professors" perfectly understood the suspicion of dictatorial psychology (Stalin and Hitler) and therefore unmistakably pitted the two great countries against each other.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 1 October 2013 19: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: Aydar
      Most likely in 1938-40, similar "professors" from England and the United States spoke of Germany becoming a threat to the USSR. These "professors" perfectly understood the suspicion of dictatorial psychology (Stalin and Hitler) and therefore unmistakably pitted the two great countries against each other.

      Stalin did not have any suspicion and dictatorial psychology, he did not intend to attack Germany, for this the USSR had no incentive.
      The Germans attacked the USSR, to which Hitler promised to give land in Russia and eastern slaves. The Germans knew what they were fighting for and fought to the last.
      1. Aydar
        Aydar 1 October 2013 20: 19 New
        0
        Do you know how many "Eastern slaves" fought for Hitler against Stalin? The reason for the war was the ideological confrontation between National Socialism and Communism, skillfully fueled from outside.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 1 October 2013 21: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Aydar
          Do you know how many "Eastern slaves" fought for Hitler against Stalin? The reason for the war was the ideological confrontation between National Socialism and Communism, skillfully fueled from outside.

          The reason for the war was Hitler's delusional idea, enthusiastically picked up by the Germans and fueled from outside, about revenge and about the seizure of "living space" and slaves in the east. There would be war even if the USSR went over to National Socialism. The same ideology did not prevent the capitalist countries from fighting.
          No "eastern slaves" fought for Hitler, do not repeat nonsense. By 1945, Vlasov managed to scrape together 40000 people from among the traitors of all nationalities, prisoners and white emigrants, 1 ROA division was formed, and the formation of the 2nd was never completed.
          The ROA practically did not fight on the eastern front, due to the massive transfer of soldiers to the side of the USSR, at the first attempt.
      2. ROA
        ROA 1 October 2013 21: 25 New
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        Well, yes, the peaceful intentions of the USSR are confirmed by troops concentrated on the border.
  42. nikcris
    nikcris 1 October 2013 20: 16 New
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    Most likely in 1938-40, similar "professors" from England and the United States spoke of Germany becoming a threat to the USSR. These "professors" perfectly understood the suspicion of dictatorial psychology (Stalin and Hitler) and therefore unmistakably pitted the two great countries against each other.

    Stalin did not have any suspicion and dictatorial psychology, he did not intend to attack Germany, for this the USSR had no incentive.
    The Germans attacked the USSR, to which Hitler promised to give land in Russia and eastern slaves. The Germans knew what they were fighting for and fought to the last.

    The USSR had motivating reasons. Read the primary sources. I hope there is no need to hint at even post-war "conquests"?
    Another question is whether I personally like it. I DO NOT LIKE. I DON'T LIKE dates in exchange for the dead "advisers", and even for tanks.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 1 October 2013 21: 22 New
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      The USSR had motivating reasons. Read the primary sources. I hope there is no need to hint at even post-war "conquests"?
      Another question is whether I personally like it. I DO NOT LIKE. I DON'T LIKE dates in exchange for the dead "advisers", and even for tanks.

      It’s a lie, the USSR didn’t have a single reason for a war with Germany, only the devastation was overcome, the first results of industrialization and collectivization appeared, people just started to live normally, what the hell did the USSR need war for? Is it really hard to understand?
      There were no post-war conquests, as well as pre-war ones.
      Tired of explaining to stupid ignoramuses that western Belarus and Ukraine were illegally occupied by Poland in 1921, that Karelia was occupied by Finland in 1918-1920, that the Baltic states were occupied by Germans in 1918, and voluntarily joined the USSR in 1940, with approval of the working people, and until 1918 of the year it was part of Russia for 300 years, on completely legal grounds.
      Returning yours is not conquest, but the restoration of legal rights.
  43. nikcris
    nikcris 1 October 2013 20: 22 New
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    The United States, currently the hegemon in the western hemisphere, is trying to prevent China from becoming the hegemon in most of the eastern hemisphere. Further, Kaplan writes that in order not to yield to China, the United States can enter into a strategic alliance with Russia. As for Russia, it may well accept such a proposal, because China is now allegedly conducting a leisurely seizure of the sparsely populated territories of the Far East and Siberia with the help of its settlers; Chinese companies are gradually “leaking” there.

    Kappan either deliberately lies, or is mistaken.
    The United States will never enter into an alliance with Russia against China, but rather, on the contrary, will heat up anti-Russian sentiment in China. Russia and China are dangerous rivals, therefore, they must be pitted so that they destroy each other. Indeed, after all, in the 2 century, the arrogant Saxons managed to pit Russia and Germany twice.
    Russia has a tremendous strategic advantage over China. China is concentrated on a narrow densely populated territory along the sea, it has no other territories.
    Russia, its main industrial-economic and military power, is 6000 km from China in the Urals and west of it. Even the loss of D. Vostok and V. Sibiri will not be for Russia, it is militarily dangerous, and an atomic strike on China will mean the complete destruction of its population and industry.
    The chatter about the Chinese "unhurried seizure of sparsely populated territories of the Far East and Siberia with the help of their settlers" is an example of ignorance and stupidity. Even if all the Chinese move there, it will still be the territory of the Russian Federation, not China, in the next 100-200 years, and all settlers and companies will work for Russia, not China.
    Kosovo Albanians have been unhurriedly capturing 500 years, and even then, if there hadn’t been NATO’s help and Beni Reltsin’s betrayal, the Serbs for the 2-3 of the year would have thrown them from their lands.

    Neither China nor the United States have ever fought with Russia. But all the rest - as much as you like. Anticipating the indications of the presence of Merikos in Russia in Civil, I note that, on the other hand, there were no measured Chinese Red Army soldiers. There was a mess then, but there was no war. No one says that Czechoslovakia seized the floor of Siberia ...
  44. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 1 October 2013 21: 39 New
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    Neither China nor the United States have ever fought with Russia. But all the rest - as much as you like. Anticipating the indications of the presence of Merikos in Russia in Civil, I note that, on the other hand, there were no measured Chinese Red Army soldiers. There was a mess then, but there was no war. No one says that Czechoslovakia seized the floor of Siberia ...


    Poor you know the history of Russia, during the Civil War the Yankees not only landed on the territory of Russia, but they financed and armed the White Guards.
    USA - from August 1918 to October 1919 participation in SPSR, Arkhangelsk, Murmansk. By agreement between the interventionists, the Trans-Siberian Railway was guarded in sections from Mysovsk to Verkhneudinsk and from Iman to Vladivostok (January-March 1920 were withdrawn). The total number of American troops in the North of Russia is up to 6000 people, in Siberia up to 9000 people.

    During the war in Korea in 1953, American planes bombed Vladivostok three times, allegedly by mistake, American reconnaissance planes constantly violated the airspace of the USSR, Powers was not the first spy shot down in the skies of the Soviet Union. If this is not war, then what?
    There have never been any Chinese in the Red Army, about 50000 Chinese, from among the workers recruited by the tsarist government in 1915, fought in inter-brigades on the side of the RSFSR, against Japanese, American and other interventionists.
  45. rodevaan
    rodevaan 2 October 2013 02: 14 New
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    American professor: By 2035, China will become a threat to Russia and America, and the powers will create an anti-Chinese alliance

    - To hell with your fucking "union"! We have nothing to decide with you - we know who you are to us.

    But the alliance and good neighborly relations with China - we definitely need to build, deepen and develop! China and I have much more in common than with the enemy west, and much more than with P-i-nd-ost. Moreover, the Westoids are slowly plunging into their crisis, and the economic center of gravity is gradually moving to the East, and precisely to China.
  46. terran125
    terran125 2 October 2013 03: 08 New
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    optimists learn English, pessimists Chinese and realists AUTOMAT KALASHNIKOVA soldier
    but in general I think that races china wants territories, then we need to give china north america repeat
    1. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra 2 October 2013 17: 44 New
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