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The Ministry of Defense is learning to fight in a new way

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The Ministry of Defense is learning to fight in a new way



The West-2013 strategic exercise, which ended last week, forced the Russian army leadership to take a different look at the training of troops, economic structures and the civilian population for life in wartime conditions.

Of course, no one is going to turn the country into barracks. But to reconsider plans for cooperation of the army with many ministries and departments in a special period is simply necessary.

- In Soviet times, we knew for sure that if tomorrow is war, the Ministry of Oil and Gas Industry will supply us with the necessary amount of fuel in certain territorial regions. Today there is no Soviet Union, but there is Gazprom Neft, LUKOIL, Rosneft. It means that they should have the appropriate reserves, delivery plans and contracts concluded in advance. These companies must know exactly how much, where and in what time they should supply us with the necessary materials. The same applies to the Ministry of Transport, Russian Railways, the Federal Agency for Air Transport, RusHydro and other structures. We need to build new relationships with these organizations. These issues, including, were worked out on the exercise "3apad-2013", said Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

The minister is particularly concerned that the mobilization plans are now clearly not compatible with the realities of a market economy. For example, according to the documents of the military, a certain transport enterprise during the “H” period should provide the Ministry of Defense with a certain number of buses. But in practice it has been long ago incorporated, its equipment works thousands of kilometers from the place of registration. That is, to provide the military with buses it is not able or ready to do it on a commercial basis.

In principle, the generals are not against business relationships built on a contractual basis. But, as noted by Shoigu, if during the inspection it turns out that the company does not comply with the terms of the contract, penalties should be applied to it.

Now, as for the teachings of the "West-2013". Despite its strategic nature, the number of people and equipment there was relatively small. For the Ministries of Defense of Russia and Belarus, it was not the mass of training battles that was important, but the working out of the operational compatibility of the troops. That is, the ability of headquarters and units to act consistently on a single plan. This task, according to the chief of our General Staff Valery Gerasimov, the military coped with dignity. If we turn to other teachings and sudden checks of combat readiness, they, according to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, showed that the Russian army "is not as weak and not as weak as anyone would like."

At the same time, Shoigu believes that the troops need to be taught to fight in a new way. Modern military operations are often non-contact in nature, they use high-precision weapon, space reconnaissance, other high-tech innovations. To effectively use this arsenal, we need training and exercises. They are constantly in our army. But, according to the minister, only the largest ones are shown. Despite the fact that Russians traditionally love to watch major military battles, and these pictures carry a considerable educational charge, for purely objective reasons army and navy exercises lose their spectacle. Here is how Shoigu explained this paradox: "The real working out of various scenarios and maneuvers will be less and less spectacular every year due to the use of modern weapons and an increase in the range of targets at sea and on land, and, accordingly, a multiple increase in the area where the exercises are held .

The degree of public interest in the army life of the Defense Ministry leaders, of course, is very exciting. Therefore, the military department decided to create a special structure for continuous monitoring of this sphere in social networks. Speech is not about trying to control critically-minded bloggers. Through this monitoring, the military hopes to more quickly respond to the concerns of the people of the problems of the Armed Forces.
















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  1. cosmos111
    cosmos111 30 September 2013 08: 54 New
    +9
    Great news. It’s necessary to fight in a new way. And on the latest technology. So far I have strained it.
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 30 September 2013 09: 24 New
      +8
      Quote: cosmos111
      Great news. It’s necessary to fight in a new way. And on the latest technology. So far I have strained it.


      I agree with every word!
      I watched the broadcast of these teachings ... Honestly, it was breathtaking from how our guys showed the class! Honestly, I'm proud!
      PS West, to put it mildly, fucked up from our fighting efficiency!
      Thanks for the photo!

      !!! GOOD FELLOWS !!!
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 30 September 2013 20: 12 New
      +2
      You have to fight like this: first, defeat everyone, and then figure out who was right and was to blame. laughing
    3. Col.
      Col. 1 October 2013 12: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: cosmos111
      We must fight in a new way.


      And who will fight in a new way, if the military education has collapsed and the majority of commanders and even commanders, to be honest with them, do not correspond to their positions? Even if the Minister of Defense does not know that there is no such thing as "working out interoperability of troops", but there is "working out operational interaction"? While in the country amateurs will be in the leadership (not only in the army, but everywhere), there can be no talk of any efficiency and development prospects!
  2. svp67
    svp67 30 September 2013 09: 09 New
    +8
    Of course, no one is going to turn the country into barracks. But to reconsider plans for cooperation of the army with many ministries and departments in a special period is simply necessary.
    Well, thank God, FINALLY then this HEALTHY thought has reached our leadership. The entire defense system must be brought into a MODERN state corresponding to the current conditions, but this must be done carefully and very carefully, without rejecting all that is sound and good that was in the past ...
  3. Metlik
    Metlik 30 September 2013 09: 13 New
    12
    "Today there is no Soviet Union, but there are Gazprom Neft, LUKOIL, Rosneft. This means that they must have appropriate reserves, supply plans and contracts signed in advance. These companies must know exactly how much, where and when they must supply us with the necessary materials. "
    The management of these companies lives in London, teaches children in America and keeps money in Cyprus. What makes you think that they will help us if tomorrow is war?
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 30 September 2013 10: 29 New
      +6
      And who, in fact, will ask them? They will put him in the office of each effective lieutenant manager with a gun. Yes, it will change every two days so that corruption contacts are not established :).
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 30 September 2013 12: 12 New
        +3
        And who will let the lieutenant with a gun into the office of the oil company, and what will he do even if he is allowed to go? Run a gun company?
        1. Rider
          Rider 30 September 2013 12: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: biznaw
          And who will let the lieutenant with a gun into the office of the oil company


          especially considering that Gazprom and Lukoil are already the first Russian companies to have their own private armies.
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 30 September 2013 13: 06 New
            +3
            My opinion is that the Ministry of Defense and the FSB need to have a plan for the nationalization of strategically important enterprises. And whoever doesn’t like it - let them fall from the country - these are not our people anymore.
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 30 September 2013 13: 30 New
          +1
          War. Guards appear near all the entrances and exits of the head office of the oil company. Nobody is touched, well, almost wink , just senior managers are wrapped in a building back wherever they go. What do you think, their bodyguards will engage in a shootout?
          At the main entrance a group of military men is declared, not lieutenants, of course ... and they demand to be sent to the general director. No? So that in half an hour I’m either a deputy with the right to sign. Did not wait? But it’s a war, so in an hour there will be the first execution for sabotage, about which everyone was warned in advance. You also think that the guards will enter the battle for their leadership?
          Okay, they don’t enter, of course. The scene moves to the cabinet’s office. The military informs about the introduction of martial law, which means the automatic implementation of the package of primary military contracts. Which are concluded in advance, discussed, sucked to the bone, provide for everything that can be foreseen in advance. And since you can’t imagine a lot of things, here is Major Ivanov from the financial services and Major Petrov the quartermaster. All issues are quickly resolved with them ...
          And here computer control systems must be, and be ready for 200 percent. Military contracts should be as simple as three rubles, changes and additions, current extensions to the volume in force in the original package, etc. must immediately be fixed on solid media and couriers sent to secure storage. So that the businessmen get fair profit (not to kill our own industry) and the state does not suffer a loss. And nothing so complicated ....
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 30 September 2013 13: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: Mikhail3
            For merchants to get fair profits

            The merchants of fascist Germany also wanted to get fair profit from military contracts, and the Soviet factory directors thought only of one thing - to make weapons on time, efficiently and inexpensively. In 45, we produced 40 thousand tanks a year, Germany only 5.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 30 September 2013 15: 15 New
              +2
              The monetary reform that was carried out after the war was caused in many respects by the fact that directors of defense plants threw money into any hole without an account. Having greatly unbalanced the payment system and having completely forgotten how to count money. Which largely predetermined the subsequent state of affairs - defense enterprises in chocolate, the economy is collapsing ...
              1. Metlik
                Metlik 30 September 2013 15: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: Mikhail3
                directors of defense plants threw money into any hole without an account

                I would like an example of such a director, preferably left at large :)
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 30 September 2013 15: 57 New
                  +1
                  Everyone did it and there was nothing to plant them for. They did not steal money smile , they pulled out limits using their position. Then they distributed a salary (a salary is what you earned. A salary - granted by the owner to the best of generosity, does not depend on labor), paid for components and other materials without looking at anything, almost in bags. Generally not at a loss by any calculations, cost ... how much I grabbed from the bag, I gave so much.
                  They released weapons ... and blood from a peaceful economy. It was possible to regulate this position only partially. Stalin could, he had already begun to do this with Beria and here ...
                  1. Metlik
                    Metlik 30 September 2013 16: 18 New
                    +1
                    Chairman of the USSR State Planning Committee Nikolai Voznesensky in his work “The USSR Military Economy during the Patriotic War” noted that the average monthly salary of workers in the USSR Union industry (enterprises of union and republican subordination existed) increased from 375 rubles in 1940 to 573 rubles in 1944 (by 53%). And in the steel industry, it reached 697 rubles, and in the coal industry - 729 rubles. The salary of engineering and technical workers in the same period increased from 768 rubles to 1209 rubles. Moreover, in the steel industry it reached 1725 rubles, and in the coal industry - 1502 rubles. In the republican industry and agriculture revenues were lower.

                    it is clear that on some cards it was very difficult to live. Relatives from the village helped some. The situation in the country was different, in some places in the village they lived on the brink of starvation, in others they could help relatives and friends. Who had the opportunity, bought products in the market. Voznesensky acknowledged that the situation on the free collective farm market was different, here the law of value acted in its market form of supply and demand. The price index increased by 1943 from the pre-war level: for crop products - 12,6 times, for livestock products - 13,2 times. It is clear that prices differed from time, area, and ability to bargain. In particular, if on cards a bottle of vodka in Moscow in 1942 cost 30 rubles, then in the market 400-500 rubles. A loaf of rye bread in the market cost 150-200 rubles.

                    That is, for a salary you could buy 1-2 bottles of vodka, or a few loaves of bread. Compare with today's grabbers.
                    http://rusfact.ru/node/9014
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 30 September 2013 14: 43 New
            +1
            So that businessmen get fair profit (do not kill us our own industry


            Commerce and industry, especially in Russia, are two big differences. At what well, very large.
            And at the expense of wartime, you are right. No one will ask, they will take it all. And most likely they won’t pay. Schedule leave. Like, after the war, get the winner :). And then if you buy for cash, it will turn out, as in WWI, when military plants produced 10 times more expensive in private factories than in state-owned ones. And where to go, had to pay?
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 30 September 2013 15: 27 New
              +2
              You are wrong. You can take very, very little. Actually, only those reserves that are at the time of taking. Then the work will stop, and not from sabotage at all. It will be abandoned by the workers due to the impossibility of its implementation. There was a whole period when the military around the world thought they could build economic ties on a command basis, simply, without corruption and effectively.
              And world experience shows that something that didn’t fall apart right away (which is very dumb) was instantly struck by incredible corruption, after which it fell from incredibly complicated wild decisions. The military must fight. As soon as they begin to requisition, they are bandits, no matter what they think of themselves.
              To win, everyone needs to fight in their place. A warrior at the front, an oilman at the well, a businessman among the money. If you deny a person the right to fight and win along with you, declare him an enemy right away, put a barrel to his head ... do you really think this is the way to victory? Oh well...
              Kommersant Putilov was forced to give huge bribes to the Ministry of Defense in order to be allowed to ... raise workers' wages! Such fans of the "military order" then commanded. So he began to sponsor Lenin, in despair.
              Do not believe your compatriots? Then what are you fighting for?
              1. Metlik
                Metlik 30 September 2013 16: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: Mikhail3
                Do not believe your compatriots? Then what are you fighting for?

                It is necessary to separate national capital from compradorism. Of course, this is not easy, but possible.
                If we fight for our homeland, we will win. If we are offered to fight for Chubais, no one will even lift a finger. The country's leadership is the time to decide who it is.
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 30 September 2013 17: 07 New
                  +1
                  Right. But another thing is also true - you never know what benefit will bring in battle. Who thought Private Sirotinin was a great warrior? But he was a hero, of which not many are born on the whole planet ...
                  Announcing an entire class of people as enemies, you absolutely will not allow them all to defend their Homeland. Whence comes the confidence that a person who masterfully handles money does not put his talent in the service of the country in war conditions? Just because he drives a Lexus?
                  Professional sport is a parasitic activity. Wild pay in it is idiocy and only, these mountains of money and drunkenness cannot be called earnings. And then Lokomotiv crashed. In particular, it turned out that his captain kept money for himself exactly for a decent life, sending undeserved millions for the treatment of children. That dozens of families are grateful to him, that he just knew exactly what money was for a person ...
                  You don’t need to wave your mind with a saber. Especially for their defenseless ....
                  1. Metlik
                    Metlik 30 September 2013 17: 40 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    Announcing an entire class of people as enemies, you absolutely will not allow them all to defend their Homeland.

                    You are confusing me with the Communists.
                    I only assert that a person with a fixed capital abroad is much more attached to his money than to the country where he comes from. So you need to trust them with caution.
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 30 September 2013 17: 16 New
                0
                Actually, only those reserves that are at the time of capture.


                The essence of the military economy is not to take the reserves that are, but to ensure the continuous replenishment of these reserves spent on the needs of the front and rear. Partly due to the transfer of the main burden of production to military needs. And civil servants who work in production do this. But taking into account commercial relations, in order to fully return from industry and to deter commerce from inflating prices, it is necessary to pistol at the temple of each commerce. And you can’t, you’re afraid, take an assault rifle and go to the trenches.

                Do not believe your compatriots? Then what are you fighting for?


                Trust - fools. You need to know, not trust.
              3. cdrt
                cdrt 30 September 2013 19: 17 New
                0
                Do not believe your compatriots? Then what are you fighting for?

                Moreover, the military can only be trusted directly to combat operations at the operational and tactical level.

                It’s impossible even on strategic ...

                For ... "war is the continuation of politics by other means," and not vice versa.

                Those who disagree - they are smart books to read (well, at least the author of the phrase is Clausewitz), because illiteracy is not the basis for justifying one's opinion.
            2. cdrt
              cdrt 30 September 2013 19: 12 New
              0
              Commerce and industry, especially in Russia, are two big differences. At what well, very large.
              And at the expense of wartime, you are right. No one will ask, they will take it all. And most likely they won’t pay. Schedule leave. Like, after the war, get the winner :). And then if you buy for cash, it will turn out, as in WWI, when military plants produced 10 times more expensive in private factories than in state-owned ones. And where to go, had to pay?


              By time schedules, the economy will quickly be driven into a dead end and production will stop there.
              War communism - was already, guaranteed the destruction of the economy in a few months.
              It was such a good form, invented by the Mine, in my opinion, MEFO bills.
              They paid for military orders. You could do a lot of things on them, you could not just cash out.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 1 October 2013 10: 02 New
                0
                By time schedules, the economy will quickly be driven into a dead end and production will stop there.


                Nothing will stop. Just go into state hands. Which is necessary.

                War communism - was already, guaranteed the destruction of the economy in a few months.


                This is when it happened? Is it not when the civil war was pulled out after the collapse of the economy by the revolution and the WWII?

                It was such a good form, invented by the Mine, in my opinion, MEFO bills.
                They paid for military orders. You could do a lot of things on them, you could not just cash out.


                In the late 80s and early 90s, this was called "offsetting".
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 30 September 2013 14: 38 New
          +1
          And who will let the lieutenant with a gun into the oil company’s office


          Platoon of machine gunners. And he will not manage, he will see that an effective manager follows the instructions of the military authorities, and does not play solitaire.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 30 September 2013 19: 24 New
            +1
            Platoon of machine gunners. And he will not manage, he will see that an effective manager follows the instructions of the military authorities, and does not play solitaire.

            You kindly even probably can’t be entrusted to command your own dog.
            You are a group of peasants, whose place is only in the trenches, torn from business and planted to mess around. To keep track of one ... well, well

            Management problems begin not from idleness, but from uncoordination.

            It’s interesting that Germany, the USA in WWII, RI in WWII did without it, and by the way in the USSR in WWII ...
            The United States in WWII generally overtook everyone and everything without a single repressive measure in terms of the effectiveness of the military economy.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 1 October 2013 10: 10 New
              0
              You kindly even probably can’t be entrusted to command your own dog.


              Well, when I buy my dog, I will instruct you to walk you :).

              You are a group of peasants, whose place is only in the trenches, torn from business and planted to mess around. To keep track of one ... well, well


              And what, you should not be in the rear of the troops? You, you see, are a great strategist, judging by the experience of commanding dogs.

              Management problems begin not from idleness, but from uncoordination.


              Plus corruption, theft and overpricing. Thank you, in the WWI passed ...

              It’s interesting that Germany, the USA in WWII, RI in WWII did without it, and by the way in the USSR in WWII ...


              About RI in the WWI, you better be silent. Or go read at least something on the military orders of the times of WWII.
              Regarding Germany, they themselves cited the example of Mine.
              And at the expense of SyShyA, but do not tell me when the public debt began to grow in the first place? That's right, during the economic boom. When the weapon was made for printed candy wrappers of the Fed (the variant of receipts), and this despite the fact that it was good if not half of this weapon was paid by the Allies in hard gold coins.
      2. Airman
        Airman 30 September 2013 15: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        And who, in fact, will ask them? They will put him in the office of each effective lieutenant manager with a gun. Yes, it will change every two days so that corruption contacts are not established :).

        Yes, plant at least with a machine gun, all the same, trains with gasoline, diesel fuel, aviation kerosene will not go right away! And I’m not sure that the fuel and lubricants in the warehouses are available but not sold, and instead the tanks are half filled with water. And will it not turn out that in the first days of the fighting there will be no fuel and ammunition in the units, this was already held in the 41st.
        1. Rider
          Rider 30 September 2013 15: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Povshnik
          And will it not turn out that in the first days of the fighting there will be no fuel and ammunition in the units, this was already held in the 41st.


          it may even be.
          I read in the magazine about the 2nd Chechen one, in particular, the artillery commander’s battalion (those who are using ATGMs, are they artillerymen or where?) said that the missiles brought from the warehouses misfired, in 1 out of 4 cases.

          and if this happens in army depots, it’s scary to think about what’s happening in private areas of the mobility reserve.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 30 September 2013 17: 18 New
          -1
          Yes, plant at least with a machine gun, all the same, trains with gasoline, diesel fuel, aviation kerosene will not go right away!


          That is why preliminary planning is needed. To go immediately and without a machine gun, but only with a gun.
    2. igor67
      igor67 30 September 2013 14: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Metlik
      "Today there is no Soviet Union, but there are Gazprom Neft, LUKOIL, Rosneft. This means that they must have appropriate reserves, supply plans and contracts signed in advance. These companies must know exactly how much, where and when they must supply us with the necessary materials. "
      The management of these companies lives in London, teaches children in America and keeps money in Cyprus. What makes you think that they will help us if tomorrow is war?

      They will, if the MoE conclude agreements, the simplest example: I work in Israel at a coffee factory, and under an agreement with the IDF there are 70 tons of coffee belonging to the army, naturally coffee is constantly being updated, and with fuel, if the government signed the agreement in advance, where everyone in particular, in cases of fuel supply interruption, Khodorkovsky’s cell would have an ally
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 30 September 2013 14: 22 New
        0
        Quote: igor67
        if the government had signed the agreement in advance

        War is not always logical and predictable, rather the opposite.
        1. igor67
          igor67 30 September 2013 14: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: Metlik
          Quote: igor67
          if the government had signed the agreement in advance

          War is not always logical and predictable, rather the opposite.

          Not necessarily war, but just exercises, remember the exercises in the Far East, when there was no mess with a private airport, nonsense ?! They detained us for a day, only the contract and responsibility for the breakdown,
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 30 September 2013 14: 53 New
            +4
            Quote: igor67
            Remember the teachings in the Far East, when there was no mess with a private airport, nonsense ?!

            In the place of the paratrooper commander, I would give the command to carry out an operation to capture the landing pad, in that case, the airfield. Most likely then I would be fired, but the task of landing would be completed in a timely manner, without delay.
            In the 80s, being a company commander, I once taught something that went beyond the laws of peacetime when I acted on the signal "combat alert". However, the task of a timely exit to the area was completed and the consequences of my antics resulted in a conversation and gratitude from Kom. districts.
      2. Airman
        Airman 30 September 2013 15: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: igor67

        They will, if the MoE conclude agreements, the simplest example: I work in Israel at a coffee factory, and under an agreement with the IDF there are 70 tons of coffee belonging to the army, naturally coffee is constantly being updated, and with fuel, if the government signed the agreement in advance, where everyone in particular, in cases of fuel supply interruption, Khodorkovsky’s cell would have an ally

        Putting in a cell is not a problem, but this will not make fuel in the tanks of technology, and you will not fight on naked heroism with one machine gun in a modern war.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 30 September 2013 17: 21 New
        0
        and in the event of a disruption in fuel supplies, Khodorkovsky would have an ally in his cell


        Actually, it’s not a fact that if supplies were interrupted, it would be someone to settle in the cell to Khodorkovsky. We must not plant, but shoot in place for the failure of the contract in wartime.
  4. erased
    erased 30 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +2
    Well, soon, apparently, the fun will begin, then we'll see who it is for. In the meantime, you need to train.
    1. Nuar
      Nuar 30 September 2013 12: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: erased
      Well, soon, apparently, the fun will begin.
      yeah, the article even mentions comic intelligence. (True, without specifying what is so funny about them.)
  5. Nitarius
    Nitarius 30 September 2013 09: 19 New
    +4

    To attract YOUTH, a shoigu would not hurt for THOSE WHO PLAY IN THE VIRTUAL WORLD --- to gather the guys and teach them PLAY IN THE REAL WORLD.
    1) YOUTH WILL BE INTERESTED IN THE ARMY
    2) Yesterday they are children and players, and tomorrow potential MILITARY with EXPERIENCE OF THE GAME and application in real combat CONDITIONS with real modern equipment!
    3) in fact READY _GTO- propaganda among the youth of MILITARY TRAINING
    4) Interest in OWN HISTORY is a rather important FACTOR. NOT KNOWING YOUR ROOTS --- the leaves will dry out sooner or later.
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 30 September 2013 09: 22 New
      +1
      Based on the simulators, it is quite possible to make a simulation game.
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 30 September 2013 11: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Metlik
        Based on the simulators, it is quite possible to make a simulation game.

        At one time, the Codemasters office, based on its Operation flashpoint game, made two virtual simulators - VBS1 (Virtual battle space) and VBS2 - for the American and British army, respectively winked
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 30 September 2013 14: 04 New
      +1
      Computer games differ from real life in that in them you can not be who you are. Their ubiquitous attractiveness, gigantic budgets, and so on are primarily due to the fact that a lazy fathead and a stunted mama's net can be "cool" there. The path to real growth is still wide open for them, only they do not want to follow this path.
      To show the will to beg for money to upgrade the Persian and to show it to increase your own endurance are fundamentally different things, and the will is not the same laughing They will have an interest in the army if they are torn out of their seats and dragged somewhere? Interest will arise, for sure. That's just its forms you will not like.
      The result will be, if you first offer help to those who already play in real life. Now, many active specialists are training with strikers. Someone shakes physics, speed increases a little bit. Someone really manages to work out some tricks, this is possible, if approached wisely. Here it is necessary to interact with them. To offer people some training grounds (and some to build, pay off a thousandfold), help with instructors, oblige officers to shake fat, many very, very need smile .
      Organize a system of competitions, badges, levels and opportunities. Think hard about how to raise the profile of this kind of sport. A person can withstand a lot and sacrifice a lot for success, and especially if this success is real. When, in response to the demonstration of the keys to infinity, bought with dad's money, a tough, weathered guy shows a modest sign of a participant in the Russian army airsoft championship (as an option) and a trench fight discharge - then you can really rejoice.
      And, by the way, there will be fewer "keyboard terminators". Girls like warriors, checked ... repeat laughing
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 September 2013 09: 21 New
    +5
    The minister is particularly concerned that the mobilization plans are now clearly not compatible with the realities of a market economy. For example, according to the documents of the military, a certain transport enterprise during the “H” period should provide the Ministry of Defense with a certain number of buses. But in practice it has been long ago incorporated, its equipment works thousands of kilometers from the place of registration. That is, to provide the military with buses it is not able or ready to do it on a commercial basis.
    This is a very serious problem! Under the USSR, everything state was easier there. I remember even personal vehicles (Niva, UAZ trucks) must be registered with the Military Commissariat (and in case of war they were requisitioned for the needs of the Army) .. I remember the Far East turned off the lights for strategic purposes (for non-payment .. Chubais led ..) the fellow was not afraid of the machine gunners and put them near the knife switches with an order to shoot who would come close!
    1. mogus
      mogus 30 September 2013 09: 27 New
      +2
      Personal trucks are registered (at the very onboard "Japanese" 1,25 tons). I don't know the buses, I have to ask a private owner ...
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 30 September 2013 10: 48 New
        0
        Quote: mogus
        Personal trucks are registered (at the very onboard "Japanese" 1,25 tons). I don't know the buses, I have to ask a private owner ...


        I report as a person related to transport:
        Appendix N 2
        to the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
        from 31 December 1999 N N 628

        List N 2
        equipment, horse-drawn and pack vehicles provided by citizens to troops, military units and bodies

        1. Passenger cars (four-wheel drive) produced by domestic manufacturers.
        2. Trucks and special vehicles of all brands, trailers and semi-trailers for them.
        3. Cranes are automobile.
        4. Buses of all brands.
        5. Road-building machines, mechanisms, trailers and semi-trailers for them: motor graders, bulldozers (including with cultivators, pickers and uproots), brush cutters, self-propelled, trailed and semi-mounted rollers, snow blowers on the chassis of vehicles and self-propelled vehicles, self-propelled and trailed scrappers, mobile concrete mixers, car sprayers, shovel excavators (0,15 - 1,0 cubic meters), bucket excavators (trenchers), mobile stone crushing plants, copers with diesel hammers #, mobile sawmills, compressor trailed stations, trailed power plants.
        6. Hoisting-and-transport machines and mechanisms: pneumatic-wheeled and tracked cranes, auto-loaders, self-propelled loaders, electric loaders, mobile conveyors.
        7. Heavy class motorcycles with a sidecar.
        8. Tractors of all types and brands, tractor trailers and semi-trailers, with the exception of:
        tractors with wheel traction class below 1,4 tf and trailers for them;
        tractors of caterpillar skidding, forestry and irrigation and drainage traction class below 3 tf and trailers for them.
        9. Horses (except for breeding).
        10. Camels
        11. Sled deer.
        12. Donkeys (donkeys).
        13. The carts are parokonny and monophonic.
        14. Sled.
        15. Sled.
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 September 2013 09: 42 New
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    Quote: mogus
    Personal trucks are registered (at the very onboard "Japanese" 1,25 tons). I don't know the buses, I have to ask a private owner ...

    I don’t know about buses and trucks .. And SUVs aren’t registering now (and in vain in case of martial law they would be very useful as mobile communication groups .. communication will not be obvious as such ..)
    1. svp67
      svp67 30 September 2013 09: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I don’t know about buses and trucks.
      But all the horses counted and took note ...
  8. ilf
    ilf 30 September 2013 10: 28 New
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    By the way, at the final stage of the training, the special forces of the explosives cleared the village of the terrorists hiding in it. In general, explosives were transferred from peacetime to wartime and took an active part in the exercises
    1. Airman
      Airman 30 September 2013 13: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: ilf
      By the way, at the final stage of the training, the special forces of the explosives cleared the village of the terrorists hiding in it. In general, explosives were transferred from peacetime to wartime and took an active part in the exercises

      Here I am about why, in the scenario of the exercise, the terrorists broke through the border in 3 cars, and bombers, helicopters, artillery and so on took turns working on them. Why not write in the concept of the exercises that the blue (western) as part of the division (army) crossed the border and invaded our territory. Are we afraid to "offend" the West by believing it to be a potential enemy? But it’s funny to see how the combined armed forces of several states are used in all exercises against a handful of terrorists. There are special forces and explosives to fight terrorists, they are intended for this.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 30 September 2013 14: 46 New
        +1
        Because they will not cross. Well, nobody needs a nuclear apocalypse. We’ll have to fight with dushmans, even if they will climb from Poland, and what, in Europe this good is already enough, first the geyropecev will be cut out, and then they will climb to us.
      2. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil 1 October 2013 13: 51 New
        +1
        To what extent you are right, air defense specialist. Things should be called by their proper names. To erase a handful of conditional "terrorists" into alabaster on a large scale using the forces of the Navy, Air Force and all the others is not a strategic exercise. I don't even know what it is. Only because there is no enemy opposition a priori. As a result, the personnel received the skill of a "small victorious war" with an obviously insignificant enemy, and this is bad, very bad. The reality may be much harsher. P.S. "The strategic exercises Zapad-2013" are more like joint command and control exercises of the two countries with elements of a TV show. "Zapad-81" are the strategic exercises.
  9. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 30 September 2013 10: 36 New
    +5
    On a commercial basis, at "H time" that's five. We survived, a hundred years have passed, again it's time to get the manuals of the RSDLP during WWI. How there, all around deceit and priests, workers and peasants are fighting each other for the profits of the capitalists. The true defense of the Motherland lies in the destruction of the class of bloodsuckers and exploiters, and you can't argue.
  10. morpogr
    morpogr 30 September 2013 10: 41 New
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    It’s high time to conduct exercises in a new way, taking into account all the latest conflicts and local wars, as well as attract government agencies and private enterprises to be sure that at the right time everything will work as it should.
  11. shurup
    shurup 30 September 2013 10: 44 New
    +3
    Fuel for "Ch" should already be in the warehouses of NZ and its reserves should be more than enough for the time of the transition of Lukoil to military rails. If the storage facilities are empty, then Shoigu's direct responsibility is to deal with this, and not personally count the buses that shuttles and tourists carry.
    I give an assessment of these maneuvers "Zarnitsa of the times of the USSR" with separate moments for the cameras of TV channels.
    The current appeal of the "partisans" with their capture by Sonderkommando and confiscation of their phones is a song!
  12. os9165
    os9165 30 September 2013 10: 49 New
    +2
    Now, as regards the Zapad-2013 exercise itself. Despite its strategic nature, the number of people and equipment there was relatively small. - So this is not an exercise, all the more strategic, but something else. In my opinion, there were ostentatious BTU nothing more.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 30 September 2013 14: 47 New
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      KShU with elements of field study.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 30 September 2013 10: 57 New
    +9
    Just arrived from the exercises.
    The submachine gun is 20 years old. The armored personnel carrier is almost 50 years old, the MTLB is 30 years old, although they did not spare shells, cartridges, shots for RPGs. Of the new only, the Granit radio station and uniform.
    It is difficult to say how much we are fighting according to modern rules.
    Maybe I’ll write an article, I will post a video if there is an opportunity.
    1. Rider
      Rider 30 September 2013 11: 36 New
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      Quote: APASUS
      Maybe I’ll write an article, I will post a video if there is an opportunity.


      You really try, I would very much like to see the everyday life of the "modern" army.

      not, seriously, I will look forward to it.
      just make the headline catchy so you don’t miss.

      for efforts - hi
  14. 1961NNN
    1961NNN 30 September 2013 11: 29 New
    +4
    Another news was fired - Vasily Smirnov, Head of the Main Organizational and Mobilization Directorate (GOMU)

    See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news.asp?id=331655 who was responsible for the mobilization component of the Armed Forces and is guilty of the pogrom of the military commissariats ... everything was done with his tacit consent ... here you are results...
    1. Rider
      Rider 30 September 2013 11: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: 1961NNN
      One more news fired


      Oh god
      again fired ?!

      when will they begin to plant?

      just came across: Deputy head of Rosreestr left Russia amid inspection at the department http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/212279-zamglavy-rosreestra-pokinul-rossiyu-
      na-fone-proverki-v-vedomstve.html


      and people, by the way, had access to state secrets of the 1st category.

      Where are you, comrade Beria?
      where is the 37th g?
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 30 September 2013 12: 03 New
        0
        And now, removal from the feeder may be worse than a shot will be))
  15. IRBIS
    IRBIS 30 September 2013 11: 30 New
    +4
    "That is, it is not able or ready to provide military buses on a commercial basis."
    Very interesting. How do entrepreneurs see "commercial relations" in the event of war? Cash or bank transfer? And near the wall of them no one wants to stand up for sabotage in wartime? Problems will be solved immediately.
    1. Rider
      Rider 30 September 2013 11: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: IRBIS
      Problems will be solved immediately.


      oh if.
      remember the situation of WW1, when our soldiers paid dearly for "market" relations in wartime.

      and after all, the subject touched is a grassroots link.
      and if you take the tops, which have denyuzhki and offspring over the hill, in fact, in the clutches of incredible friends.

      it becomes uncomfortable.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 30 September 2013 14: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Rider
        remember the situation of WW1, when our soldiers paid dearly for "market" relations in wartime.

        Well, we also have the positive experience of the Second World War, when saboteurs were simply spanked in place without any legal snot.
        Quote: Rider
        it becomes uncomfortable.

        I agree, the time is now muddy. However, I think that if a war starts, commanders of all degrees will be persistent in their demands. The main thing is the availability in peacetime of a sensible and real mob.plan, which will be fully substantiated and worked out. Not a fantastic story, namely mob.plan.
        1. Rider
          Rider 30 September 2013 14: 52 New
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          Quote: IRBIS
          Well, we have a positive experience of the Second World War


          only on him and hope.
          Quote: IRBIS
          The main thing is the presence in peacetime of an intelligent and real mob.plan,


          I think, the most important thing is the presence on the leading posts of people with iron eggs .. oh .. uh, cores.
          which in the case of defeats and failures of the first time (as in the case of the Second World War) will gather their will in a fist and will not allow the body of the army and the state to creep.
          Well, the problem with the "elite" and the 5th column (in my opinion, this is the same thing) will be fundamentally solved, according to the precepts of Vissarionych.
        2. Airman
          Airman 30 September 2013 15: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: IRBIS

          I agree, the time is now muddy. However, I think that if a war starts, commanders of all degrees will be persistent in their demands. The main thing is the availability in peacetime of a sensible and real mob.plan, which will be fully substantiated and worked out. Not a fantastic story, namely mob.plan.

          Mobile plans, even in Soviet times, were fulfilled by 50-70%, but you want them now. All large enterprises had their own mob.plan, they knew what products they would have to produce, how many and what people were to be mobilized, etc. And now the whole "system" has collapsed. An example is a delay in the departure of paratroopers by 10 (TEN!) HOURS, not minutes, due to the fact that the airfield became private and the owner demanded an advance payment for boarding! As the saying goes, it went smoothly on paper, but they forgot about ...... the greed of effective managers.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 30 September 2013 17: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Povshnik
            Mobile plans, even in Soviet times, were executed at 50-70%, and you want it now.

            This is what we are talking about. Plans should be consistent with current realities, not bright hopes.
  16. Strashila
    Strashila 30 September 2013 12: 20 New
    +1
    Wow ... how does that sound "ON NEW", i.e. as in the good soviet times ... just can no longer triumph ???
    1. Rider
      Rider 30 September 2013 12: 39 New
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      Quote: Strashila
      those. as in the good soviet times ... just can no longer triumph ???


      Now the NANO army will wage the NANO war.

      all this is sad.
  17. pahom54
    pahom54 30 September 2013 12: 22 New
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    I quote: ... "Of course, no one is going to turn the country into a barracks. But it is simply necessary to revise the plans of the army's interaction with many ministries and departments in a special period ..." ...
    Not to review, but thoroughly analyze and process, and, despite private capital, at the level of the President of the country, to oblige all of these Gazprom, Lukoil, Russian Railways and others to be ready to fulfill the requirements of these mobilization plans. If necessary, introduce certain amendments to the legislation ON COMPULSORY IMPLEMENTATION of these points by private capital organizations, otherwise - the responsibility of managers (and contractors) also under wartime laws.
    Russia does not have time to rant with our bourgeoisie and convince them. How to steal is their business, how to work for the defense of the state is aside.
    Photos from the exercises look beautiful, but we do not need beauty, but new modern technology and trained, professional personnel. And for this we need money first of all. And among the bourgeois they have enough for 33 lives, so let them put at least one life on the altar of the Fatherland ...
  18. Agent 008
    Agent 008 30 September 2013 12: 32 New
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    Seriously, the most important thing is that the Army has as many professionals as possible, because one well-trained contract soldier is much better than a dozen former students who are forcibly going into the army to give their "debt" to the Motherland ...
  19. georg737577
    georg737577 30 September 2013 12: 37 New
    +2
    There is an implicit message between the lines of the article - Russia is preparing for war ...
  20. Papania
    Papania 30 September 2013 13: 29 New
    +1
    The photo looks beautiful. BUT ALL THIS SHOW !!! What kind of readiness can be discussed if the personnel were warned for several days. Everything else follows from this ....
  21. holding
    holding 30 September 2013 13: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: georg737577
    There is an implicit message between the lines of the article - Russia is preparing for war ...

    Yes, it turns out that we are preparing for war. As usual, the "partners" will simply impose it on us.
    1. Rider
      Rider 30 September 2013 14: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: hoot
      . As usual, "partners" will simply impose it on us.


      and we, as usual, will not be ready for it.
  22. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 30 September 2013 14: 27 New
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    Quote: Papania
    if the personnel were warned for several days

    Yes, even for a month. Most importantly, they went into the field and showed not bad results. There are more such trainings and experience is acquired.
  23. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 30 September 2013 14: 27 New
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    Quote: Papania
    if the personnel were warned for several days

    Yes, even for a month. Most importantly, they went into the field and showed not bad results. There are more such trainings and experience is acquired.
  24. Gur
    Gur 30 September 2013 15: 35 New
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    Yes, some soldiers say, according to official figures, 12900 people in some army countries are fewer and at the same time explosives were trained, in the east, the Missiles in the north, the fleet, so in general it’s normal to keep it that way
  25. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 30 September 2013 18: 48 New
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    And if BB is bigger than CA, then what are we ready for?
  26. Stasi
    Stasi 30 September 2013 20: 22 New
    +1
    Very interesting article. You really need to fight in a new way, taking into account modern realities. It was said very correctly about mobilization plans taking into account the country's economy and business. The only real doubts are raised about the patriotism of companies like Gazprom and other large corporations. It is no secret that our entire elite - economic, political and others - have long had housing, accounts and all their business abroad, as well as foreign citizenship. What kind of mob plans can we talk about if the people who are at the head of key structures have long considered themselves citizens of other countries and are ready, if something happens, to flee the country leaving it to its fate? The West simply does not need to use any military actions against Russia, it is enough to threaten with confiscation of property and accounts - and that's it, our elite is raising its paws. While people dependent on the West are in power, there can be no question of any mobilization plans in case of war. I hope Shoigu understands this.
  27. OPTR
    OPTR 30 September 2013 20: 27 New
    +1
    In addition to possible problems of inconsistencies between private and state. forms of property,
    which can be solved by the capture team, there is still the problem of lack of management personnel to take over production control. After all, the owners may not wait for the beginning of the "sudden treacherous attack" of the enemy, but go to the places of capital placement in advance. In addition, the new owners themselves will not always be able to fulfill the task of increasing the output of something. It's not kickbacks to cut ...
    And there is also the problem of involvement in the global economy.
    Many deliveries will have to be replaced with something.
    In short, the article hints that the army seems to be there, but there are some problems with the rear. If the war is not small ...
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 1 October 2013 10: 14 New
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      Let the owners go wherever they want. They are already waiting there with scissors to cut their fur. Cyprus has shown this well. Just what does management and owners have to do with it. One might think that Deripaska or Abramovich run their own businesses. They have the same hired managers as in state property. As much "effective".
  28. msv
    msv 30 September 2013 22: 40 New
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    While discussing the teachings, no matter where else it went. Questions of the economy in wartime, I have not heard such pearls for a long time ...
  29. iur4ik39
    iur4ik39 1 October 2013 18: 48 New
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    good teachings