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Ideological sabotage

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Ideological sabotageEven in ancient times, the policies of psychological warfare with the enemy were given no less importance than the modern one at that time. arms. 2005 years ago, the Chinese commander and philosopher Sun Tzu wrote about this: “Disintegrate all the good things that exist in your opponent’s country. Involve prominent representatives of your opponent in criminal enterprises. Undermine their prestige and expose at the right time to shame the public. Use cooperation also the most vile and vile people. Kindle quarrels and clashes among the citizens of the enemy side. Incite youth against old people. Interfere with all means of government activities ... Be generous with offers and gifts for buying information and accomplices. In general, do not save money or promises, as they bring rich dividends. ”


It is unlikely that anyone will dispute the above, assuming that the words of the ancient military leader have lost their relevance today, given that they are used as a basis for instructions to current Western intelligence services specializing in psychological warfare. This is eloquently testified to by the well-known to a wide circle of readers the commandment of the founder of the CIA of the USA, Allen Dulles, the meaning and purpose of which are organically intertwined with the postulate of Sun Tzu.

“... Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and no one will need them, they will become a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples, above all enmity and hatred of the Russian people - we will cultivate all this cleverly and imperceptibly ... it will flourish Terry color ... We will loosen this way, generation after generation ... We will fight for people from childhood, youth, we will always make a major stake on young people, we will decompose, corrupt, corrupt it. We will make them cosmopolitan ... And only a few, very few will guess or understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a ridicule, find a way to slander them and declare them the dregs of society ... ” This is how the process of moral and spiritual disarmament and degradation of our peoples took place “cleverly and imperceptibly”.

In 1960, the term “ideological sabotage” appeared for the first time in the political lexicon, the concept of which was defined as a complex of “subversive acts of provocative propaganda of imperialist states against socialist and developing countries, one of the manifestations of“ psychological war ”.

As it is known, Soviet intelligence at that time managed to obtain data on the “Harvard Special Project”, in which the line to incite nationalism and hostility of peoples in the USSR was clearly seen. And in this regard, I want to refer to the book of the journalist, KGB general V. Shironin “Under the counter-intelligence cap. The secret background of restructuring ”(MP Paley, 1996), where the author, describing the personality of the main anti-Soviet Zbigniew Brzezinski, actually gives a clear definition of Western ideological sabotage, which defines the essence of the“ psychological war ”that continues today when the USSR no longer exists when Ukraine embarked on the capitalist path of development.

“I read almost all of his works,” writes V. Shironin, “and I must admit that this is probably one of the cleverest and most insidious enemies of our country. Here I want to make a reservation again and emphasize that, unlike many other analysts, it is not by chance that I call Brzezinski an enemy of our country, and not an enemy of communism, as he seemed at first glance. For Brzezinski, the struggle against communism was only a kind of cover-up, only a stage of his activity aimed at the destruction of Russia as such. Having created the image of a fighter against the communist ideology, Brzezinski actually solved not an ideological, but a geopolitical task, seeking to “remove from the globe” first the Soviet Union, and then Russia, regardless of whether it is socialist or capitalist. Today, when Brzezinski finally dropped his anti-communist mask and openly talks about the further dismemberment of Russia, my long-standing assumptions about his true intentions and intentions were fully confirmed. ”

Although we are talking about Russia, but as you know, at that time, in a report to the US State Department, Brzezinski, setting out his plans, spoke about the upcoming national conflicts in the Baltic republics, densely populated by “uninvited Great Russians”, close to Russia in cultural terms of Belarus and Ukraine, and especially in the Caucasus and in the Central Asian republics. He then recommended that every effort should be made to “make the non-Russian peoples politically more active and encourage it from abroad in the long run”.

As is well known, the foreign organization OUN and its emissaries, who surged in a wave to our country, made a hand in strengthening this “activity” in Ukraine. The most colorful figure in the rabble of hardened nationalists and accomplices of Hitler's criminals is the notorious Catherine-Claire Chumachenko. The fact that she "worked" in Ukraine under cover was probably known to the SBU. It is unlikely that their attention escaped the information that from her youth she was an active participant in the national fascist organization and worked closely with a number of foreign centers, whose subversive activities were directed against not only the USSR, but also other countries of the world. But the most interesting thing is that she worked at the State Department and had access to the documents that passed through her hands at the CIA. And suddenly ... "casual" acquaintance with Yushchenko, which ends in a hurried marriage. Perhaps, in due time, the relevant bodies would come to the conclusion that it was with the advent of the first lady in the political beau monde that the Galician neo-fascists intensified their activities and the split in the country intensified. Probably, not less piquant details will emerge to the surface: why did the SBU allow CIA intelligence officers access to secret operational information. This is another topic, but, nevertheless, it is one of the factors contributing to the intensification of the American policy of "psychological warfare" not only in relation to Ukraine, but also in creating an atmosphere of nervousness in relations between Ukraine and Russia.

Briefly I will dwell on another significant detail, indicating that Ukraine under pressure from the West and the neo-fascists who had raised their heads turned into a launching pad for committing a “psychological war” against Russia and Belarus. We are talking about odious, inflammatory shows on Ukrainian television of the rootless cosmopolitan, provocateur and intriguer Shuster. The record of this “sower of freedom of speech” (which is also interesting) includes western radio stations that were directly supervised by the CIA. Interesting? There are other equally intriguing details of his "creative" activities. But in this case, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that practically not one of his programs is complete without attacks on Russia and sophisticated propaganda of fascism.

And that's not the point. Pay attention to how Schuster, with his former bosses, honed the skill of manipulating public consciousness, turning it inside out and demonstrating the dirty laundry of the Ukrainian political elite and its opponents to the whole world. In general, by the standards of Dulles, a worthy soldier of the “psychological war” against our peoples. The question is only to our authorities: do ideological Landsknechts like Shuster and Kiselev in the eyes of the world add credibility to Ukraine?

The US and EU countries no longer hide the role that Ukraine plays in its geostrategic plans. In the post-Soviet space, it is Ukraine that should play the role of a “counterweight to the neo-imperial aspirations of Russia,” and for this purpose not only financial assistance is provided, but also increased pressure on the ruling elite in order to carry out pro-Western reforms. She is also assigned the role of the “fifth column” in the CIS in order to drive a wedge between the Commonwealth countries, exacerbate controversial problems, sow doubts in the Commonwealth states in combining their efforts to overcome economic problems. This is clearly stated in the Harvard and Houston projects, which have set strategic objectives for the implementation of US geopolitical ambitions.

It is hard to disagree with the point of view of V. Shironin mentioned above, who writes that if, from a strategic point of view, “psychological warfare” aims at creating the “right” public opinion in a different social environment, then tactically it involves the use of favorable political situations, provocations, and then direct psychological sabotage. Such propaganda actions provoke a tense mood among the population, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity, anxiety and mutual hostility in people. In this direction, not only residencies of Western intelligence services, but also their entire propaganda apparatus work tirelessly: print, radio and television, which over the years of the Nazis, have taken the ground to sprout neo-fascism in Ukraine.

This is especially evident in today's Ukraine, where the tone is set by the Bandera region that raised its head, which, according to the Hitler model, forms in the masses of Russia the “image of an external enemy”. Her appeals - “The Union even with the devil, but not with Russia!”, “Get out of Moscow!” Are actually elevated to the rank of state policy. Thus, step by step, the strategic tasks of these American projects are being solved, on the crest of which, before the eyes of the “silent” world community, the process of fascization of Ukraine approached a critical line. At the same time, American experts and their NATO satellites are well aware that without destruction in the minds and minds of people of the mental “internationalist and socialist complex”, the so-called “Lenin’s complex, without moral degradation of the younger generations, their ideas can be stalled.

Not for nothing, the far-sighted authors of the Harvard project therefore envisioned a phased ideological decay of our peoples. So, the minimum program was to inculcate doubts in Leninism to new generations (as in the “mistake stories"). And it played. Just in the years when new generations of Soviet people came to life who did not have reliable information about Lenin. At this time, there was a massive injection of notorious fakes about “German gold”, “sealed” German cars and “paid agents” on the territory of the USSR. That is, in accordance with the intentions that the “forbidden fruit” should become attractive to the ear of many people.

The maximum program contained and envisaged a wider range of ideological decay of society. The main task was to turn society into a cosmopolitan conglomerate - to destroy the love of their homeland, and to replace patriotism with the so-called “universal human values”.

It is enough to refer to the example of so-called. the process of "deideologization" in Ukraine. In an emergency procedure, at the legislative and governmental levels, laws, regulations, regulations and instructions are adopted, the quintessence of which is the desire of the authorities to turn all power structures, the judicial system, veterans' organizations into an indifferent appendage. That is, in words they should be “out of politics”, “neutral” to the ongoing negative processes in the country. Although against the background of these laws and regulations, the Ministry of Defense issued directives to the troops, ordering to educate personnel in the "fighting" traditions of OUN-UPA gangsters, and the SBU, with the help of nationalists, set about falsifying the historical truth about 1933's famine, compromising our peoples' heroic past. In fact, by this very power, a barrier has been set up that prevents the disclosure of ideological sabotage and political subversive goals, which are often carefully masked.

If you put everything in its place, then from the above, the conclusion is: there is no de-ideologization. This is the real political demagogy, under the cover of which the socialist ideology is replaced by the capitalist one. And in this situation, even when Ukraine embarked on the capitalist path of development, it, as a Slavic state, is not guaranteed against ideological sabotage, because there are stronger geopolitical players in the world whose strategic plans do not include strengthening the fraternal ties of Slavic peoples.

Our lawyers, as well as the SBU, sadly, do not dare, for the reasons indicated, to openly declare that ideological sabotage is an illegal activity connected with interference in the internal affairs of a country. They, like the authorities, turn a blind eye to the fact that many “agents of influence” have proliferated in Ukraine, who have infiltrated the power and humanitarian structures of the state. But the state security organs probably know that under the cover of various institutions, foundations, human rights organizations, this category of corrupt conformists, eating American grants, as political scientists, experts and advisers under the smoke screen of demagogy by the media, destroys our statehood. The professionals of this service are well aware of the fact that subversive activities in this direction against Ukraine are coordinated not only by foreign intelligence services, but also by the agents of deep penetration recruited by them in our country.

All these years, a very favorable situation was created inside the country for Western intelligence services (treachery, total corruption, terry nationalism), which the special services could not use to create an agent base. Especially since the Security Service of Ukraine (what the media are talking about now) created conditions for this. But this is another topic, which may be presented to the attention of readers in subsequent publications.

It would be naive, at least, to believe that the intelligence services in the choice of means and methods of ideological sabotage are in place. This can be easily seen by tracing their activities over the past decade, during which new technologies and methods of duping people, sophisticated ways of manipulating the public consciousness were born one after another, which indicates that the enemy is not standing still and is working tirelessly on improving "Psychological weapons." The notorious American doctrine of “promoting democracy”, which opened the way for unceremonious interference in the internal affairs of our countries, is convincing evidence of the fact that the West conducts a real ideological aggression against the countries of the Commonwealth (Ukraine and Russia), which is a planned influence by ideological and psychological means on consciousness, psyche, morale and behavior of the population of the CIS countries. A vivid confirmation of this unpunished aggressiveness of the United States was the notorious “color revolutions”, which served, above all, the geopolitical interests of overseas and NATO strategists who did not stop even before using military force.

As for Ukraine, I would especially like to remind our “European integrators” that there is still time to make a sensible decision and hack on their nose that the West has set itself the main goal and task - to tear Ukraine away from Russia.

How far the "promotion of democracy" followed the American model has gone, the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Tunisia and Libya have witnessed with their own eyes the victims of their compatriots, the piles of ruins and millions of hungry and destitute people. Syria is now in line. There is no doubt that the civil war there was preceded by ideological sabotage of the CIA, aimed at inciting interfaith and national hostility. And all this was going on under the banner of “improving democracy”.


The issues raised in this article only give an overview of the “psychological warfare” in general terms. But I am sure that the reader will agree with my point of view that the term and the very definition of “ideological sabotage” have not lost their meaning even with the current socio-political situation in the CIS countries and the world. She had previously encroached on all spheres of public life — ideology, politics, economics, morality, law, culture, science, and religion. The security services of our enemies stand behind all of these, who are ready for any provocations, including bloody conflicts, to achieve their political goals.
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  1. veles52
    veles52 30 September 2013 07: 09 New
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    Ukraine has already fallen in an unequal battle? Or surrendered without a fight? We will still fight ...
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 30 September 2013 14: 35 New
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      Ukraine has not died yet !!!! fellow laughing
  2. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 30 September 2013 07: 11 New
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    Ideological sabotage does not arise from scratch. They work where people are unhappy. And he is dissatisfied with the mistakes and crimes of the authorities. In prosperous countries, the Orange Revolution cannot be arranged.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 30 September 2013 07: 52 New
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      Quote: Kibalchish
      Ideological sabotage does not arise from scratch. They work where people are unhappy.
      Show the country where people are satisfied with power, and I will find there thousands if not millions of dissatisfied.
      Quote: Kibalchish
      And he is dissatisfied with the mistakes and crimes of the authorities.
      About the infallible power, also write where you saw it. Let's see who they are, why we don’t know)))
      1. Fin
        Fin 30 September 2013 09: 45 New
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        Involve prominent representatives of your adversary in criminal enterprises.

        This is the main reason for the lack of anti-corruption and coherent domestic policies. Snout in the gun for everyone.
      2. netMolotov
        netMolotov 30 September 2013 09: 47 New
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        bomg.77 - Show a country where people are satisfied with power, and I will find there thousands if not millions of dissatisfied.

        Well, for example: Canada Australia New Zealand Andorra Switzerland Israel and so on.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 30 September 2013 11: 28 New
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          Quote: netMolotov
          bomg.77 - Show a country where people are satisfied with power, and I will find there thousands if not millions of dissatisfied.

          Well, for example: Canada Australia New Zealand Andorra Switzerland Israel and so on.
          Is there opposition there? Or communism has come to them There are no beggars, homeless? Do you want to list further? Even in the dictatorial Vatican, there are also those who are dissatisfied, so there is no need for heaven on earth.
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 30 September 2013 11: 30 New
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            Surprisingly, in addition to Canada and Switzerland, the DPRK has not yet written. I don’t know another country like this, where people breathe so joyfully.
            1. netMolotov
              netMolotov 30 September 2013 14: 10 New
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              ArabisТ - Surprisingly, in addition to Canada and Switzerland, the DPRK has not yet written.


              THIS is a hit below the belt. Is it possible to compare the DPRK with some kind of Canada and Switzerland.
          2. netMolotov
            netMolotov 30 September 2013 13: 25 New
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            bomg.77 - Show a country where people are satisfied with power, and I will find there thousands if not millions of dissatisfied.
            Is there opposition there? Or they have communism? There are no beggars, homeless people? Do you want to list further? Even in the dictatorial Vatican, there are also those who are dissatisfied, so there is no need for heaven on earth.


            I don’t know what is there. Provide pliiizzz - a reference to those there who are dissatisfied - and without this it is only your imagination.
            1. smile
              smile 30 September 2013 14: 54 New
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              netMolotov
              I accidentally gave you a plus sign, repent ... :))) Oh, these children of the Internet, with their links, in order to make sure bomg.77 is correct. you just need to know at least something about those countries ... you still need a reference to the ABC book ... :)))
              1. netMolotov
                netMolotov 30 September 2013 15: 59 New
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                smile (3) - Oh, these Internet children, with their own links.

                Dear boy - I was born on 21.10. As you put it to the links you taught me the children of the Internet. You like something does not fit in the cerebellum so submit links and documents. So do not be offended by the minus.
                1. smile
                  smile 30 September 2013 17: 36 New
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                  netMolotov
                  Strange, it seems that he was already a big boy, they should have received a normal education, and, in fact, there is nothing in the head but the cerebellum. How do you live? And if you don’t even know how people live in the countries you mentioned (which is not a crime), then why do you undertake to draw conclusions comparing our countries? For example, I don’t climb the issues of discussing cutting and sewing — why don’t you think anything to climb into there. And you are sinful in this, dear ... :)))
                  И еще -а вы к любому незнакомому мужчине обращаетесь "милый"? Или вы женщина? Если так, то прошу прощения...:)))
                  And the last - I do not have the habit of taking offense at the minuses - I have already grown a lot ... :))) and not much younger than you ... :)))
                  1. netMolotov
                    netMolotov 30 September 2013 17: 45 New
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                    You’re my friend, though you’ve gotten rid of the little marshals, but I’m sorry you are an ordinary HAM, and I won’t argue with you.
                    1. smile
                      smile 30 September 2013 18: 17 New
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                      netMolotov
                      You’re right, sometimes I’m harsh in my statements. :))) My harshest statements are usually caused when some people who are not able to objectively assess the situation are engaged in the fact that they mud their country and their people, thereby (if applied phraseology of this article) actually acting as an instrument of those who are conducting a psychological war against Russia.
                      To argue with me or to agree is your inalienable right to impose your society on you. :)))
                      And I’m only Marshal here, on the only site on which I wrote something, in fact I’m Generalissimo :)))
            2. bomg.77
              bomg.77 30 September 2013 17: 52 New
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              Quote: netMolotov
              I don’t know what is there. Provide pliiizzz - a reference to those there who are dissatisfied - and without this it is only your imagination.
              Google to the rescue.
              1. netMolotov
                netMolotov 30 September 2013 18: 11 New
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                bomg.77 - Google to help.

                Well, the most, like this, to halt the impostor - weakly! For example, I live in a country where people and government are one. And there are many more countries in this world where there is a unity of people and power. Well, for example - SWITZERLAND. Well refute me.
                1. Muadipus
                  Muadipus 8 October 2013 00: 28 New
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                  For example, I live in a country where people and government are one.

                  strange understanding of unity


          3. Nayhas
            Nayhas 30 September 2013 14: 47 New
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            Quote: bomg.77
            Is there opposition there? Or communism has come to them. No beggars, homeless?

            Про партии той же Канады можно почитать в Википедии. Их много, есть даже Космополитическая партия Канады. И сколько миллиардов не вкладывай никакой "оранжевой революции" там быть не может, ибо у граждан страны нет проблем с выражением их воли. Никаких намеков на тоталитаризм и тиранию, а смена власти не приведёт ни к каким потрясениям. Из пожизненного у премьер-министра Канады только титул "Достопочтенный"...
            PS: The Prime Minister of Great Britain travels around the country by an ordinary train in an ordinary compartment in the neighborhood of ordinary citizens, so the United Kingdom is not threatened by revolution either.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 30 September 2013 21: 11 New
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              Quote: Nayhas
              therefore, Great Britain is not threatened by revolution either.


              Somehow you forgot about Ulster and Ireland. And about Scotland, which has not considered itself a province of Great Britain for a long time.
              So the prime minister can ride off even on a train, even on a bicycle - this has nothing to do with the revolution.
              Mosk turn on when you write.
        2. smile
          smile 30 September 2013 14: 50 New
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          netMolotov
          My God, how ignorant you are about living abroad .... :))) please, don’t tell anyone else, otherwise you’ll be ashamed ...:
          Serious passions rage in Andorra - power and money are divided, the province of Quebec almost separated in Canada-the battles were such that on both sides there were Krrrasavists who said that they would take up arms, some were independent, others were their opponents. The state of Israel is constantly shaken by political scandals. The radicals slammed Yitzhak Rabin, explaining this by protecting the Jewish people. Among political movements, they even have those who believe that the Israeli state should be destroyed. And so everywhere. without the slightest exception.

          Look at any garbage dump, cats fight there. Do you think this is nonsense? And for them, this is a real serious war for existence, so blood spills and wool flies to shreds ... please don’t be so naive .... :)))
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 30 September 2013 20: 03 New
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            Quote: smile
            Look at any garbage dump, cats fight there. Do you think this is nonsense? And for them, this is a real serious war for existence, so blood spills and wool flies to shreds ... please don’t be so naive .... :)))

            Quote Pole Sapkowski - muveton) Ay-yay-yay laughing hi
            1. smile
              smile 30 September 2013 22: 40 New
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              Corneli
              Обожаю его цикл "Ведьмак", коий считаю самой лучшей книгой о любви :))) и Сагу о Рейневане (кажется она так называется-там первая книга Башня шутов)-цитировать его можно бесконечно, жалко, что почти ничего не помню .:)))
              Well is this bad? Is he a Pole? So I myself am a quarter Pole ... :))) Maybe this way my call of blood appears :)))
              And for the fact that you read Sapkovsky, and even remembered the quote (I confess, I forgot that it was he who wrote it, I read a lot, everything mixed up in my head) you plus me ... or someone else already minus slapped :)))
              1. Arabist
                Arabist 30 September 2013 22: 47 New
                +1
                Art has no nationality. It is just beautiful.
              2. Corneli
                Corneli 6 October 2013 15: 35 New
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                Quote: smile
                And for the fact that you read Sapkovsky, and even remembered the quote (I confess, I forgot that it was he who wrote it, I read a lot, everything mixed up in my head)

                The quote is just really good, I even remember general events and who said what to whom ... without Google) And about the "Witcher" Sapkowski himself ... if you remove the fantasy ... the description of the war of Poland (and others) with the Teutonic Order (Grunwald battle). I didn't understand it right away, only after the "Reynevan Saga". An author like our Bushkov ...
            2. Vital 33
              Vital 33 30 September 2013 22: 53 New
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              By the way, Sapkovsky writes class books, it’s not taken away. He re-read it many times.
        3. Russ69
          Russ69 30 September 2013 15: 08 New
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          Quote: netMolotov
          Well, for example: Canada Australia New Zealand Andorra Switzerland Israel and so on.

          You think everyone is happy with the government there. Power in general is such a thing that no matter what it is, there are always reasons to love it.
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 30 September 2013 15: 31 New
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            Quote: Russ69
            Power in general is such a thing that no matter what it is, there are always reasons to love it.

            smile Slightly bobbed, it would be more correct.
            Power in general is such a thing that no matter what it is, there are always reasons to love it.
          2. netMolotov
            netMolotov 30 September 2013 17: 15 New
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            Russ69 - Do you think everyone is happy with the authorities there.

            I think that it is necessary to introduce a criterion of dissatisfaction with the authorities. And after all, Chikatilo probably was also not satisfied. Something I do not remember the revolutionary situations and mass protests in these countries.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 30 September 2013 19: 31 New
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              Quote: netMolotov
              And after all, Chikatilo probably was also not satisfied. Something I do not remember the revolutionary situations and mass protests in these countries.
              good


        4. Botanologist
          Botanologist 30 September 2013 21: 01 New
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          Quote: netMolotov
          Well, for example: Canada Australia New Zealand Andorra Switzerland Israel


          That's what in Israel, the prime ministers change over time, and plant them without hesitation.
          And the outflow of the population, mainly young people, from New Zealand does not confirm a little the great paradise happiness. request
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 30 September 2013 22: 52 New
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            "То-то в Израиле премьер министры меняются через срок, и сажают их не стесняясь." Вот потому что там даже премьеров сажают, там не может быть революции.

            "And the outflow of the population, mainly young people, from New Zealand" And where do they go? To Australia and the United States, of which New Zealand is actually an integral part.
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 30 September 2013 22: 55 New
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              The country can be destroyed externally, do you think Israel will never be in such danger?
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 30 September 2013 23: 07 New
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                But we are discussing the possibility of revolution)
                1. Arabist
                  Arabist 30 September 2013 23: 10 New
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                  So a revolution does not necessarily arise from within. It happens to be exported.
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 30 September 2013 23: 37 New
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              Quote: New Russia
              To Australia and the USA, of which New Zealand is actually an integral part.


              I do not like minus one, but minus you from me for your complete ignorance of politics and geography. For the Future - New Zealand is one of the few countries in the world that have left the US financial institutions.
              I repeat once again - learn the subject about which you undertake to reason.
      3. IRBIS
        IRBIS 30 September 2013 14: 14 New
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        Quote: bomg.77
        Show the country where people are satisfied with power,

        Will not show, definitely ...

        Quote: bomg.77
        About the infallible power, also write where you saw it. Let's see who they are, why we don’t know)))

        Will not write. For the one who does nothing is infallible. In power, this applies most of all; there will always be dissatisfied and deprived, in their opinion, of it.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 30 September 2013 17: 58 New
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          Quote: IRBIS
          Will not show, definitely ...

          Quote: IRBIS
          Will not write.

          Will not write and will not show. Whoever writes or shows, you can find so much dirt that at the time to go there to make a revolution. hi
          1. netMolotov
            netMolotov 30 September 2013 20: 00 New
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            bomg.77- Will not write and will not show. Whoever writes or shows, you can find so much dirt that at the time to go there to make a revolution.


            Well, pliz- go make a revolution in Finland - well, at least sign off - what can you make a revolution on!
            1. yur
              yur 30 September 2013 22: 25 New
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              For example, the fact that the second state is Swedish there, although the Swedes in Finland is a very small percentage. And now ... How?! Why are these swearing mos ..., sorry, the Swedes are stepping on our Finnish mow?! And off and on. sow doubt, attach a certain amount of green pieces of paper and find a certain number of traitors and fools, without which, unfortunately, no state can do.
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 30 September 2013 23: 07 New
                0
                "Например на том,что вторым государственным там шведский,хотя шведов в Финляндии очень небольшой процент.И вот... Как?!Почему эти кляты мос..,пардон,шведы наступают на нашу ридну финскую мову?!И пошло-поехало.Главное посеять сомнения,приложить определенное количество зеленых бумажек и найти какое то количество предателей и дураков,без которых,к сожалению,не обходится ни одно государство." Дело в том, что Швецкая оккупация Финляндии была очень давно и Шведский язык давно стал просто частью их культуры, да и по законам ЕС ментшинства имеют право на свой язык, никаких расширенных прав они не требуют
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 30 September 2013 23: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: New Russia
                  and according to the laws of the EU, minorities have the right to their own language, they do not require any extended rights


                  Very demanding. Ireland, Scotland, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Catalonia ... Learn the topic before you start discussing it.
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 30 September 2013 22: 51 New
              0
              Quote: netMolotov
              Well, pliz- go make a revolution in Finland - well, at least sign off - what can you make a revolution on!


              No problem. The order will be - we will do it. The only question is - who needs Finland to make a revolution there? After all, it will not pay off.
      4. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 30 September 2013 19: 27 New
        0
        Quote: bomg.77
        Show the country where people are satisfied with power, and I will find there thousands if not millions of dissatisfied
        The question is what exactly are they unhappy with.

        About the infallible power, also write where you saw it. Let's see who they are, why we don’t know)))
        I somehow didn’t understand - are you trying to say with these phrases that ideological sabotage is possible everywhere, or that the mess going on in the Russian Federation is the norm?
      5. Rusich51
        Rusich51 30 September 2013 21: 16 New
        0
        Quote: bomg.77
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Ideological sabotage does not arise from scratch. They work where people are unhappy.
        Show the country where people are satisfied with power, and I will find there thousands if not millions of dissatisfied.
        Quote: Kibalchish
        And he is dissatisfied with the mistakes and crimes of the authorities.
        About the infallible power, also write where you saw it. Let's see who they are, why we don’t know)))


        Correctly noticed. Look at what's happening with us, again a piece of cake is pulled on the screens and unwind them. They are trying to lower the army below the baseboard. If at the advice of every guy considered it an honor to serve, now otmazatsya from the service.
    2. smile
      smile 30 September 2013 14: 36 New
      +4
      Kibalchish
      And tamm. where people live normally - discontent is organized. This can be done in any country except that one. where special services work quickly and hard. and where the state propaganda apparatus is active and efficient. This is the alphabet. There are dissatisfied and nihilists in any society — organizing them and setting people on fire with their help is just a matter of desire and resources that can be spent on it. This is precisely the situation we are witnessing in our country — and this is already being done in our country for the second time, the first time when the Union was destroyed. And I do not get tired of marveling at how many people regularly get into the same bunch of g ...
      Now, many who were tearing their throats in 91 — Down, and supported the repentance of repentance — we did not know. we were deceived .... what. if you manage to ruin Russia, you will also later cry that you did not know what you were doing?

      А по статье-подробности о Кэтрин-Клыр Чумаченко содержатся в хорошем фильме Леонтьева "Оранжевые дети третьего рейха", кто не смотрел-очень рекомендую.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 30 September 2013 21: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: smile
        And tamm. where people live normally - discontent is organized. This can be done in any country except that one. where special services work quickly and hard.


        Plus +. Exactly. As for passages a little higher about Switzerland and the UK - forgot about Ireland? And about the fact that Scotland has been holding referendums on separation from Britain for 10 years? And there, the commentators climb lol
    3. Botanologist
      Botanologist 30 September 2013 20: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Ideological sabotage does not arise from scratch. They work where people are unhappy. And he is dissatisfied with the mistakes and crimes of the authorities. In prosperous countries you cannot make an orange revolution


      Sheer stupidity and misunderstanding of the subject. The revolution, so you know, was never organized by the poor class. For the poor were active only in riots, which were suppressed without problems. All revolutions were arranged only by the middle class - that is, non-poor people, capable of organizing and political ambitions.
      You will arrange the revolution in prosperous countries, where there is a large stratum of the middle class.
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 30 September 2013 21: 06 New
        +2
        Ботановед, вы мне напомнили старый фильм "за пригорошню динамита" произнесено определение всех революций поистине навека- смысл все революций в том, что те кот умеет читать приходят к тем кто не умеет читать и говорят-вы живете неправильно и пора все менять. А когда потом садятся за стол переговоров выясняется, что остались только те кто умеет читать. Поддерживаю вас.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 30 September 2013 21: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Arabist
          And when then they sit down at the negotiating table, it turns out that only those who can read remain.


          Thanks. Sometimes it is very difficult for donkeys to prove that if they are covered with wool, have a mane and tail with a tassel, then they are not lions anyway.
          А еще трудней - что революция - это ЗАКОНОМЕРНЫЙ общественный процесс, и он, соответственно, подчиняется строгим правилам и условиям. И эти правила и условия очень хорошо известны. И не имеют никакого отношения к ленинскому "верхи не могут, низы не хотят". Низы много чего не хотят, да и верхи много чего не могут, но при чем тут революции?
    4. T-130
      T-130 1 October 2013 08: 23 New
      0
      In Libya were able to arrange!
  3. Alikovo
    Alikovo 30 September 2013 07: 16 New
    19
    Soviet intelligence at one time had to eliminate it, as well as M. Thatcher.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 30 September 2013 07: 20 New
      +8
      Nothing would come of it. It’s just that other people would come instead.
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 30 September 2013 09: 06 New
        +5
        and here you are wrong, these methods should not be neglected either
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 September 2013 10: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Nothing would come of it. It’s just that other people would come instead.

        Others are mortal too.
      3. densh
        densh 30 September 2013 12: 30 New
        +2
        Thatcher and Brzezinski, at least bastards, but outstanding personalities, i.e. piece goods
        and replacing them is very problematic. So it was possible to arrange "tea with a bagel". wink
    2. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 30 September 2013 10: 05 New
      0
      it’s not too late to correct this mistake .... you just need to prepare as you need ...... and make a control shot at the head of this Pole I’m sure there are quite a few Russian performers .... we need only a team .... we are waiting
  4. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 30 September 2013 07: 20 New
    13
    If we take everything that is happening in Russia, then we can say that an ideological war is being waged both outside and inside. Outside it is heated for the collapse of the country, and from the inside in order to divert the attention of the population from the mediocre economic policy of the authorities. When combined, these two vectors give a correspondingly doubled result. What in this case is waiting for Russia is easy to guess. Many here are outraged that the paint is supposedly thickening, we are sowing panic. So in my opinion it is better to exaggerate and blow cold, than then burn in a real flame, not burning, but destroying. In my opinion, only blind or completely naive does not see what is happening in our country. It’s better to put out the coal earlier than to put out a huge fire later.
    1. labendik
      labendik 30 September 2013 09: 03 New
      -3
      Maybe it’s not the coal business, but your only correct words about the incompetent policy of the authorities. It may be necessary to eliminate the root cause, and not the completely expected and justified consequences.
    2. smile
      smile 30 September 2013 14: 58 New
      0
      vladsolo56
      Those who exaggerate become a warrior of the psychological front on the side of those external forces that seeks the destruction of Russia. Is it simply impossible to be objective? This will be the surest answer to those who are shaking Russia. And it’s more useful for business.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 30 September 2013 15: 56 New
        +2
        Of course, and who tries not to see evil, wearing pink glasses, they are on our side, thank you. It’s better to see everything as it is, than just what it seems to you. It is necessary not to assent to the authorities, efforts must be made so that more people understand what they are pushing to.
        1. smile
          smile 30 September 2013 16: 06 New
          +3
          vladsolo56
          Вам спасибо :))). Характерной особенностью тех, кто "сгущает краски" является склонность к навешиванию разного рода ярлыков на тех, кто оценивает ситуацию в стране объективно. Кстати они также не в состоянии понять, какой вред наносят стране.
          And I have good eyesight and I see both good and bad. And for this, some are trying to call me "urapatriot" in pink glasses, not some who do not understand and cannot understand the social danger of their actions. And those in all countries are usually deprived of legal capacity.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 30 September 2013 21: 31 New
            0
            Quote: smile
            And I have good eyesight and I see both good and bad

            The statement is very subjective. And I also position myself that way. But in this case, as they say, it is better to overtake than not to finish. But it is necessary to push power, and not necessarily by radical-bulk methods.
            1. smile
              smile 30 September 2013 22: 58 New
              0
              Ingvar 72
              To push - it’s necessary - under-crushed power - as an under-crushed chicken-an egg will not blow. :)))
              But if the government does something positive, it’s necessary to notice, otherwise the continuous stream of lies and dirt that some pour in, it’s better to overwhelm the country and play into the hands of the enemies of our country and provide the ground on which weeds like anal do you really need for the well-being of Russia? And in general, my mother taught me that lying is not good ... :)))
              And about objectivity - put two people next to each other -
              one who speaks. that there is something good, there is something bad.

              And the other is that everything is bad, and it will be even worse, the youth went bad, there were thieves all around and we had to pick up the pitchfork ... yeah, and kill someone for the sake of universal happiness ....
              What do you think of the second? Is it objectivity? Yes, it is necessary to treat it, in my opinion ... :)))
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 1 October 2013 07: 16 New
                0
                Quote: smile
                What do you think of the second? Is it objectivity? Yes, it is necessary to treat it, in my opinion ... :)))

                The coin has two sides, and if someone likes one side more, this is not a reason to file files on the other side. :)))
        2. Natalia
          Natalia 30 September 2013 17: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Of course, and who tries not to see evil, wearing pink glasses, they are on our side, thank you. It’s better to see everything as it is, than just what you think .....

          Blah, blah, blah ... that's just one disc and you play ...
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Better to see everything bad than something good.

          ... maybe you're just not a very good person? And on the other hand, if we, as you say URA-Patriots, then you are a BULK-UDALCOID tongue tongue tongue

          PS I have never heard anything positive on the site from you in your life, sheer nagging, and how insulting you are for the mediocre past years.
          MINUS TO ALL YOUR COMMENTS winked laughing
          Personally from me tongue
          1. smile
            smile 30 September 2013 18: 08 New
            0
            Natalia
            Well, if girls like you are in our ranks, then I’m calm. They won’t pass! Your control shot to our common opponent is most welcome. Thank. :)))
  5. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 30 September 2013 07: 28 New
    +9
    Так давайте учиться у врага и бить его же оружием. Помочь индейцам в борьбе за их исторические земли, разыскать те тысячи договоров, которые гарантировали им землю, а потом были подло нарушены американцами, помочь раскрыться "национальному самосознанию" техасцам, неграм, латиносам, жителям аляски и гавайев.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 30 September 2013 07: 37 New
      +4
      Or maybe first clean up the house, and then climb to where we are not waiting. Indians in America and without our prompts know who is to blame for how they live. This is not the kind of power that can rock America.
    2. a52333
      a52333 30 September 2013 07: 39 New
      14
      Well, with the Indians blockage. Few of them. BUT
      beat him with weapons
      it is possible and necessary, there are blacks and Latinos, just take it and work. Remember the negro shot recently? I carefully watched the situation, waited for the demonstrations to take place, everything was ready - one shot at the demonstrator would have flared up !!!! And don’t chew on the snot THEY AND DID. And it's time for them to get the change in full with the same coin.
    3. labendik
      labendik 30 September 2013 09: 05 New
      -9
      I have not seen a greater storyteller.
      1. smile
        smile 30 September 2013 15: 01 New
        +3
        labendik
        Look in the mirror, you will see ... only the tales you tell are bad and mediocre ...
    4. Nayhas
      Nayhas 30 September 2013 14: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: FC Skif
      Так давайте учиться у врага и бить его же оружием. Помочь индейцам в борьбе за их исторические земли, разыскать те тысячи договоров, которые гарантировали им землю, а потом были подло нарушены американцами, помочь раскрыться "национальному самосознанию" техасцам, неграм, латиносам, жителям аляски и гавайев.

      Yes, even start tomorrow, the USSR spent millions of dollars on the revolution in the USA, the results are known to everyone ...
    5. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 September 2013 21: 37 New
      0
      Quote: FC Skif
      So let's learn from the enemy and beat him with weapons. Help the Indians fight for their historic lands,

      Pretty boy. It’s high time to budget the financing of the Orange Indians. And then everything is somehow sluggishly fighting back, it's time to roll ourselves.
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 30 September 2013 07: 34 New
    +5
    from the Don.
    We have not gone far from Ukraine! Almost the entire elite of power is rotten! And some media? Many have to mop up the taiga, and they are warm, they are preparing the collapse of the country! And the question again arises: WHERE is the domestic GDP policy? Why is the DISASTER in the country?
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 30 September 2013 07: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      That’s the question: WHERE is the domestic GDP policy? Why is there a mess in the country?
      This article is written about you, a cog of psychological warfare.
      1. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 30 September 2013 07: 50 New
        +1
        from the Don.
        You are mistaken, dear! Firstly, I am a carnation, and Secondly, open your eyes and look around, you will be surprised!
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 30 September 2013 08: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: borisjdin1957
          from the Don.
          You are mistaken, dear! Firstly, I am a carnation, and Secondly, open your eyes and look around, you will be surprised!
          What should I open my eyes to and what are you suggesting I see that I haven’t seen yet? I see a lot of things and I guess a lot of things. Have you seen something new, or just suddenly remembered your civil position at the right time?
          1. borisjdin1957
            borisjdin1957 30 September 2013 09: 37 New
            +1
            from the Don.
            My civic position became when the USSR was, where patriotism was brought up from the cradle, which I don’t see anything bad! On the contrary. Respect for elders, ability to help others, respect for the opposite sex, tolerance! And much more that is now being eradicated.
            1. bomg.77
              bomg.77 30 September 2013 11: 42 New
              0
              That is why you had such a purely professional comment.
              (Gypsies also act in this way on the subconscious). Pay attention to words written in caps lock
              We have not gone far from Ukraine! Almost the entire elite of power is rotten! And some media? Many have to mop up the taiga, and they are warm, they are preparing the collapse of the country! And the question again arises: WHERE is the domestic GDP policy? Why is the DISASTER in the country?
              In this comment it is written in caps "WHERE is GDP, BARDAK! DOCLE!", This is a call to the barricades. You are the fifth column and there is no need to push about feelings for Russia.!
              1. borisjdin1957
                borisjdin1957 30 September 2013 18: 30 New
                +2
                from the Don.
                What the fucking column is there in the village of 5? C16 has been bent over for years, pension 7000-live ?!
                1. bomg.77
                  bomg.77 30 September 2013 19: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: borisjdin1957
                  from the Don.
                  What the fucking column is there in the village of 5? C16 has been bent over for years, pension 7000-live ?!
                  Judging by your nickname, you are born 1957 years old. 2013 minus 1957 = 56 years old. You, and in Russia, have been paid a pension to agricultural workers, males since 60 years old. It turns out that you are deceiving again.
                  1. borisjdin1957
                    borisjdin1957 30 September 2013 20: 56 New
                    0
                    from the Don.
                    I can’t lie! Disability pension!
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 30 September 2013 19: 42 New
                -2
                Quote: bomg.77
                You are the fifth column and do not push about feelings for Russia.!

                This is probably about you, Alyosha ...
        2. SPACE
          SPACE 30 September 2013 10: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: bomg.77
          This article is written about you, a cog of psychological warfare.

          Quote: borisjdin1957
          You are mistaken, dear! Firstly, I am a carnation

          Ну так гвоздик это и есть винтик, только без резьбы, но и тут "любезный" вы себе льстите, скорее органическое топливо...
          Пойду что ли рыбки наловлю, ежели "чо" потом на халяву хоть ухи сварю laughing
      2. smile
        smile 30 September 2013 15: 04 New
        +3
        bomg.77
        Золотые слова. Полимерщики и любители воплей "Долой! Доколе" почему-то не в состоянии осознать, что именно такие, как они являются вольными или невольными пособниками тех, кто ведет против нас психологическую войну.
    2. sergey72
      sergey72 30 September 2013 08: 17 New
      0
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      -Where is the domestic GDP policy? Why is there a mess in the country?
      I fully support!
    3. Bigriver
      Bigriver 30 September 2013 12: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      ... Almost all the top authorities are rotten! ... WHERE is the domestic GDP policy? Why is there a mess in the country? DOCLE?

      Гипотетически, на секунду, допустим что Ваша "кладбищенская" оценка ситуации в России верна.
      And then what? What is behind the angry rebuff of the top-power-GDP?
      What are you offering?
      About the elections of the true people's power will you begin to hum?laughing
    4. selbrat
      selbrat 30 September 2013 13: 24 New
      0
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      We are not far from Ukraine!

      I agree with you. But we have no less agents of influence. Chubais, Kirienko and Dvorkovichi work quietly, nobody touches them. And we are horrified by the situation in Ukraine. Like everything is bad there ...
    5. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 30 September 2013 19: 38 New
      0
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      And again the question arises - WHERE is the domestic GDP policy? Why is there a mess in the country?

      These or those actions are determined by the set goals - even if something does not work out, then the general directional vector is always traced.

      What directional vector do you observe?
  7. Strashila
    Strashila 30 September 2013 07: 56 New
    +6
    It has been historically proven that not a single attempt by America to convey democracy to any country was successful ... there has never been democracy, but there has always been a civil war with its consequences.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 30 September 2013 19: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Strashila
      It has been historically proven that not a single attempt by America to convey democracy to any country was successful ... there has never been democracy, but there has always been a civil war with its consequences.

      It has been logically proved that America has never carried democracy anywhere, due to the fact that this is simply impossible, since democracy means the power of state citizens over the state of which they are citizens.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 30 September 2013 21: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarosvet
        It is logically proven that America has never carried democracy anywhere


        Well you fucking give belay . And what did she ideologically carry to Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 1 October 2013 15: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Botanologist
          And what did she ideologically carry to Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya?
          Neoliberalism and integration into the global world on its own terms through intervention.

          Repeat cliches less and think more about the semantic load of definitions.
  8. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 30 September 2013 07: 58 New
    +6
    Supporters of European integration will come and explain to all of us that the article is nonsense.
    А статье плюс. Надеюсь что хоть кто-нибуть из "интеграторов" задумается....если осталось чем.
  9. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 30 September 2013 08: 00 New
    +1
    Надоели уже эти "образованцы", которые хватают цитаты, не проверяя их подлинность. Даллес НИКОГДА НЕ ГОВОРИЛ той фразы, которая ему приписывается неграмотными и полуграмотными пользователями Интернета.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 30 September 2013 09: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: serge-68-68
      . Dulles NEVER SPEAKED that phrase

      It's not that Dulles said something like that or not. But the process is going on ..
      1. Grigorich 1962
        Grigorich 1962 30 September 2013 10: 19 New
        +3
        from the words of Dallas printed in Soviet newspapers ..... this line is bent by the States so far .... and Bzezhinsky is its guide
  10. major071
    major071 30 September 2013 08: 29 New
    +9
    Recently, the name of Brzezinski has been heard from all sides, but this old senile will not calm down. Or he thinks that he will live to see the collapse and destruction of Russia. So - a big and thick h.r. to his face. In hell, the fire under the cauldron was already opened for him, they were waiting with open arms.
  11. mirag2
    mirag2 30 September 2013 08: 29 New
    +3
    Yes, Russia is now in the same position as in 1942, almost kirdyk, but if you strain, there is an opportunity to fight back.
    And first of all it concerns the situation on the information front.
    Horror crawled out of state 90 with such difficulty! Slow and difficult.
    By the way, they promise a cooling down to the small ice age, so Europe will still need our gas.
    1. Far East
      Far East 30 September 2013 11: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: mirag2
      By the way, they promise a cooling down to the small ice age, so Europe will still need our gas.

      all right! only gas is needed for our officials, sho would heat (loot) to rake.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 30 September 2013 11: 20 New
      +1
      The Russian people unite and repulse only when there is an external threat, to fight against an external enemy, but for now there is no bite between themselves.
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 30 September 2013 19: 52 New
      0
      Quote: mirag2
      By the way, they promise a cooling down to the small ice age, so Europe will still need our gas.

      Читаните ка статью Полеванова "игра в Гольфстрим"
  12. Sunjar
    Sunjar 30 September 2013 08: 30 New
    +5
    Unfortunately, at the moment, the only way to cool Ukraine’s ardor is to let go of the worlds in the EU, and when they are robbed, it will finally destroy production and it will be impossible to live — Russia will forgive them everything and with open arms will take it back under its wing. Naturally there will be those who will still blame Russia and its special services for what happened, but for the most part the people will finally understand that they were deceived.
    Учитывая, что спецслужбы СССР знали об этом плане: его принципах, цели; становится понятным, что после смерти (убийства) Сталина верхушка согласилась с этими доктринами и пособничала претворению директив Далеса в жизнь, извлекая из этого свои личные выгоды. Думали, что встанут на один уровень с самыми влиятельными людьми нашей планеты, но для них наши предатели всего лишь инструмент, а по сути мусор. Кто-то может с позицией не согласиться, но почему тогда СССР позволили разрушить. Про то, что СССР "сам распался" может написать человек абсолютно не сведущий в процессах управления, иными словами - зомби, которому в голову можно влить любую установку.
    1. Sour
      Sour 30 September 2013 13: 01 New
      +3
      The USSR, of course, did not disintegrate itself. He was ruined.
      Like the Russian Empire, however. She, too, did not break up.
      But the fact that it was destroyed without much resistance does not speak in favor of the USSR. There were no mass popular movements in defense of the Union. The GKChP did not really have a single company that could fight for it to the last. And the ruling party did not defend the USSR, but it fell apart quite quickly, and the main grave diggers of the USSR left its ranks. And it was not the CIA agents who destroyed the USSR, nor external conspirators, but their own citizens, including those vested with power. Without them, no external machinations would have worked, no Dulles. External machinations were before, but the USSR did not break up.
      1. smile
        smile 30 September 2013 15: 15 New
        0
        Sour
        The main reason that you pointed out is defeat in psychological warfare. The then all-protractors became the majority. If there will be more of their modern heirs, Russia will simply be destroyed and torn to pieces .... And there are a lot of these comrades - look at least at this thread .... moreover, for their absolute majority a characteristic feature is an absolute inability to analytics, inability to perceive and evaluate information (only simple screaming slogans), absolute inability to objectivity and compromise. In general, talented people ...
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 30 September 2013 08: 35 New
    +3
    sorry that these problems are only discussed here. other 99,9% of Russians do not give a damn about other problems; money, vodka, etc. you need to scream (knock and they will open for you)
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 September 2013 11: 18 New
      +3
      In Russia, the mentality is different, so far we will not be pressed at all, we will endure to the last, well, and when the peasant takes the pitchfork, then very few people will say hello.
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 30 September 2013 12: 05 New
        +1
        unfortunately, it seems that we can only hope for this
        1. Sour
          Sour 30 September 2013 13: 08 New
          +3
          Hope in vain.
          The vast majority of the population has no reason to go to the barricades. I will say more - life is easier than now, has never been.
          Никто не голодает, как в 90-е. И заработать на приличную жизнь можно, если не бухать и работать. А "браться за вилы" только потому, что личность президента (или ещё кого) не нравится, способны не многие. Только отморозки, от которых пользы всё равно никакой и никому.
          1. ramsi
            ramsi 30 September 2013 14: 17 New
            +1
            легче живётся в больших городах, и то ещё, надо посмотреть... Что же до серьёзных вызовов, то они пока и не начинались. Боюсь, что будет как всегда - Россия опять окажется ни к чему не готова. Вопрос лишь в том: сможем ли мы "взяться за вилы", или уже и эту способность профукали
          2. New Russia
            New Russia 30 September 2013 14: 33 New
            +2
            "Никто не голодает, как в 90-е. И заработать на приличную жизнь можно, если не бухать и работать."
            In Volgograd, mothers with many children have been starving for 2 months now, because they are not allocated land legally, they went on a hunger strike in Moscow near EdRa’s office and were dispersed by riot police. 13% of the population is not enough for food.
            "А "браться за вилы" только потому, что личность президента (или ещё кого) не нравится, способны не многие. Только отморозки, от которых пользы всё равно никакой и никому." То есть по вашему дело просто в том, что не нравится личность, а не в ВТО, разгроме РАН, и так далее?)
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 30 September 2013 14: 37 New
              +1
              Are they still alive? The deadline for fasting even for a prepared person is 60-70 days.
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 30 September 2013 14: 42 New
                +1
                With interruptions, of course, it is not clear what you found funny in this, again saw the hand of the State Department?)
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 30 September 2013 20: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: New Russia
              13% of the population is not enough for food.

              And this is how to count laughing

              If we take as a basis the official cost of living of 7000 r. - yes, 13%.
              If we take into account that the real cost of living is in the region of 15000 rubles, it turns out that they are malnourished and have no opportunity LIVE in accordance with modern socio-economic norms, at least 55% of the population.
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 30 September 2013 14: 51 New
            +3
            In central Russia, yes, they began to live better, they began to live happier, but the rest of Russia? People are fleeing from the Far East from Siberia, and now they are already from Stavropol Territory.
            The villages are empty, in the arable fields of the forest, incense production is breathing, etc.
          4. RUSS
            RUSS 30 September 2013 15: 32 New
            +1
            There is work, with a salary of 5000r, at best.
      2. smile
        smile 30 September 2013 15: 18 New
        +1
        RUSS
        When a man takes up the pitchfork, it will become shitty, especially the peasant himself, who, if lucky enough to survive, will get blood-stained ruins and a torn to pieces country that has lost independence.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 30 September 2013 15: 30 New
          +2
          This is so, because "the Russian revolt is senseless and merciless", and secondly, revolutions are done by one person, while others take power, and the Russian peasant gets the ruins, which he also restores.
          1. smile
            smile 30 September 2013 16: 14 New
            +1
            RUSS
            Everything is absolutely true. +
            But let me hurt a little - Russian riots have always been far inferior in cruelty and atrocities on both sides to European riots. But Pushkin, who described Pugachevschina very well, simply wouldn’t speak of the terrible Pugachevschina (in which about 300 nobles and members of their families were executed) if he at the same time described simply monstrous cruelty, for example, Jacquerie or the French revolutions, some of which reduced the population of France is almost a third.
  14. Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 30 September 2013 08: 39 New
    +6
    Необходимо вводить цензуру!не только на художественные фильмы где какой нибудь штатовский очередной "рембо"или английский "бонд"крошат наших или еще советских ребят,но особенно на документалистику!Смотреть же невозможно!Ни первые ни вторые.А молодежь верит и я бы всвое время поверил бы,а как не поверить если это ДОКУМЕНТАЛЬНЫЙ фильм....оказывается войну выиграли наши союзники а мы так чуть помогли и многие другие извращенные факты.Все эти гейские парады итак далее...Вот это и есть идеологическая диверсия.Следующие поколения будут в этом убеждены как и я сейчас в своей правоте.
  15. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 30 September 2013 08: 47 New
    +7
    Как-то лет 15 назад в ВИПе Амстердамского аэропорта увидел Бзежинского. Тот скромно взял газетку и сел в обычное кресло. Со мной был хохол с западной Украины. Так тот рванул к Бзежинскому, чуть ли не на коленях жал ему руку. Спросил - че это ты так? - Это же наш великий Збигнев! - Какой он ваш? - Ну, мы же, практически, поляки. "Войны начала 21 века будут за нефть и пресную воду" - изрек Бзежинский в 80х. По воде он слегка погорячился. Но по нефти в точку. ГРУ лохует, таких аналитиков еще в пеленках валить надо.yes
    1. smile
      smile 30 September 2013 15: 22 New
      +1
      Asan Ata
      Yes. your fellow traveler is right that, thanks to Zbyshek and people like him, Ukrainian independents are ready to renounce both their nationality and the sovereignty and normal development of their people, if only to give a damn to the moslem..yam.
  16. pinecone
    pinecone 30 September 2013 08: 58 New
    +4
    [quote = Asan Ata] Wars of the beginning of the 21st century will be for oil and fresh water "- said Bzezhinsky in the 80s. He got a little excited by the water. / quote]

    No, I didn’t get excited. They will fight not only for oil, but also for fresh water and arable land.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 September 2013 11: 16 New
      -1
      And most likely it will start from Central Asia and North-East Africa, in the Nile River basin.
  17. pahom54
    pahom54 30 September 2013 09: 35 New
    +6
    The article is mainly about Ukraine, but completely in the color of Russian subjects. The same crap ... We have on this site how many times we talked about patriotism in the education of the young generation. And you need to start it with the family, kindergarten, school. And first of all, censorship is needed in the media, in zombies, in fiction ... And even earlier, it was hard methods to deal with the Duma boyars - it seems to me that not the patriots of Russia are sitting there, but its real haters. Their actions, their daily activities only confirm this. At a time when Russia’s urgent problems are higher than the roof, they are wasting time adopting some insignificant, if not to say, worthless laws. If any more or less sensible law slips through, then consider it, heh ... p ... on the ground literally right away. And although several times on the site people were against the emergence of a national idea and ideology (motivating it with the Constitution), I repeat: now they are absolutely necessary for Russia !!! Now many will be against it, but I’ll also say about computer games: look, what is their essence? Murders, cruelty ... Why do not our computer geniuses create normal educational games for children, such as the Bunny-Know-It-All, Wait a minute ??? Ah, I forgot. Well, wait a minute, they attributed it to the forbidden films. That's where insanity is !!!
    And all these rallies on the Swamp, geylesboparady - tries !!! The states do not look at world opinion (by the way, they still have the death penalty, just like in a restaurant, the menu has a choice: you want a high chair, you want a little uk, you want a loop, you want to get some gas ...) , and we have nothing to bother. By the way, in the same States it (the Constitution) is already fat because of the amendments, so who's stopping us? On this site, we repeat how many times the words of Tsar Alexander 11 are repeated: Russia has only two allies - its army and navy. So we must proceed from this premise.
    And here is the MOST IMPORTANT: no censorship, no increase in criminal liability for actions that damage our country will lead to the desired result (unity of the people), until the TRUE PATRIOTS OF THEIR FATHERLAND ARE IN THE HEAD OF THE STATE AND IN THE BOYAR DUMA.
  18. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 30 September 2013 09: 57 New
    +4
    It looks like the West has finally found the "Achilles heel" of Russia, and there is no need for any Guderian's tank columns to Moscow, it is enough to throw a srach on us, and we will do everything ourselves. And if you consider that our "beloved" government, headed by our beloved Mr. the most stately king, does everything possible to aggravate these problems, then the West will soon not have to do anything at all.
  19. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 30 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +8
    RUSSIA declared a real war .... to complete destruction !! And we need to understand this and swim in the illusions that someone likes us and that someone in the world wants Russia to live well. We have a lot of enemies and they understand their heads more and more .... we have less and less time to observe this process. It’s time to qualitatively change a lot of Russia inside and in international relations ..... call white - white and black - black!
    We ate this western crap ... enough ..... Russia needs to live by its own foundations and laws .... without regard to the west
  20. zevs379
    zevs379 30 September 2013 10: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: Grigorich 1962
    RUSSIA declared a real war .... to complete destruction !! And we need to understand this and swim in the illusions that someone likes us and that someone in the world wants Russia to live well. We have a lot of enemies and they understand their heads more and more .... we have less and less time to observe this process.



    Here is the opinion of an enlightened person !!! When we become at least 30% then there will be changes in the heads of our government.
  21. RUSS
    RUSS 30 September 2013 11: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Ideological sabotage does not arise from scratch. They work where people are unhappy. And he is dissatisfied with the mistakes and crimes of the authorities. In prosperous countries, the Orange Revolution cannot be arranged.

    Orange revolutions are mainly for the "banana republics", but in the same America, about 50% are dissatisfied with the government, but there are strong special services and competent legislation, for example, for NGOs, mass marches and rallies, the only influence is the lobby, but it is also very clearly regulated , plus corruption is not the same as in third world countries.
    1. smile
      smile 30 September 2013 15: 30 New
      -1
      RUSS
      Коррупция в США не меньше, чем у нас. Вам знаком такой термин - "лобби". Это УЗАКОНЕННАЯ коррупция-такого у нас не было даже в девяностых, когда коррупция захлестнула страну. Но в отличие от нас у них нет такого количества всёпросральщиков, сладострастно поливающих свою страну.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 30 September 2013 16: 08 New
        +1
        Lobby - Legitimate bribery, rather. And lobbying never goes against public policy.
        1. smile
          smile 30 September 2013 17: 44 New
          +1
          RUSS
          Come on, every year the Pentagon is shaken by sacred scandals with theft on a smaller scale than with us under the stool. There is an article about the lobby there above (I looked at it first) -do not be lazy, read it, as well as comments, then you will not say that lobbyists act in the interests of the country .... :)))
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 30 September 2013 18: 16 New
            -1
            Например лобби военных промышленников сильно, сейчас это видно по Сирии, есть война, значит есть заказы итд, следовательно есть работа, есть доход, есть по простому зарплата. Доходы чьи? Верно граждан США. Всё во благо нации . Понятно , что "нагреют руки" многие из верхушки, но и простые амеры при деле и при доходах. Тоже самое лобби нефтяников, к примеру Ирак и Ливия, куда денюжки от нефти ? Верно в США.
            John from Texas works at a defense enterprise for an excellent salary and refuel his Ford with cheap gasoline, moreover from Libyan oil.
  22. RUSS
    RUSS 30 September 2013 11: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Alikovo
    Soviet intelligence at one time had to eliminate it, as well as M. Thatcher.

    И без этих двух на Западе хватает "любителей России", и кстати некоторые будут "поусастее".
  23. RUSS
    RUSS 30 September 2013 11: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Alikovo
    Soviet intelligence at one time had to eliminate it, as well as M. Thatcher.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BU2mF-qUN6w
  24. Cherdak
    Cherdak 30 September 2013 12: 07 New
    +2
    And so, now there is a propaganda attack in Ukraine from the advisers of the Institute for World Politics: http://politikus.ru/events/6790-sladkaya-zhizn-ukraincev-posle-prevrascheniya-v-
    koloniyu-zapada-v-karikaturah-grantoedov.html
  25. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 30 September 2013 12: 47 New
    0
    This is all known and understandable.
    NOT ANOTHER OTHER.
    Why, knowing all this in advance, there was no effective counteraction?
    1. Sour
      Sour 30 September 2013 13: 25 New
      +7
      Why is it not clear?
      They counteract that which goes against their interests.
      If the top of the CPSU did not oppose the collapse of the USSR, then that means that it did not contradict its interests. Moreover, she contributed to the collapse of the USSR.
      And the people didn’t really rest. Going to a referendum, voting for the Union is easy. And life is not dangerous. But to fight for the preservation of the Union-this was not. Apparently not by chance. After all, they fought for the Union in 1941, but in 1991 they did not want to.
      As for Putin, he acts in very difficult conditions, both external and internal. It’s easy to argue from the outside, but let them try it for themselves. In foreign policy, he is forced to take into account the political weakness of Russia, maneuvering between different forces. It is not simple. If someone says that during his presidency, Russia will dictate his will to everyone, then he is simply yap.
      In domestic politics, one also has to maneuver, without this it is not yet possible. Putin is largely the president of compromise. And another president is now impossible, who do not choose. All opposition figures (whether parliamentary or not) can chat anything. But they would pursue a policy about the same. Or worse. If only because they would have approximately the same finances and approximately the same number of supporters, approximately the same human potential.
      PS: I’m not going to argue with inadequacies who like to say: "So I would be the president, then ... I would shoot everyone, put the rest, and there would be a complete openwork." As a rule, these are people who cannot fix wiring or plumbing in their apartment. But how to manage Russia, for some reason they know.
  26. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 30 September 2013 13: 38 New
    +1
    They counteract that which goes against their interests.
    If the top of the CPSU did not oppose the collapse of the USSR, then that means that it did not contradict its interests. Moreover, she contributed to the collapse of the USSR.

    That's just it, that after the death of Stalin, the Union was doomed. All this is clear, but how strange and insulting it is.
    Like the current state of affairs ... sad
    1. Sour
      Sour 30 September 2013 13: 47 New
      0
      The union was doomed to the death of Stalin. The USSR is the same transitory formation as any other.
      The USSR rested on communist ideology. That was his core. And while this ideology met the needs most population, the Union was unshakable. Could quite fight off anyone.
      But how this rod worn out, dilapidated (and there were reasons for that), the Union weakened. And it was already possible to break it down without difficulty.
      The same garbage was with the Russian Empire. While the ruling ideology did not cause rejection in most Philistines, the Empire held on. And then the situation changed. What is characteristic, the tsar did not find a single company in February 1917, like the GKChP in August 1991.
      1. georg737577
        georg737577 30 September 2013 14: 43 New
        -1
        Mentally applaud you! Fat plus!
  27. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 30 September 2013 13: 58 New
    +1
    And while this ideology met the demands of the majority of the population, the Union was unshakable.

    While the ruling ideology did not cause rejection among the majority of inhabitants, the Empire held on.

    Эти скрепы ветшали не сами по себе, а титаническими усилиями и, увы, успешными геополитических "партнёров". И дело-то ещё не завершено. Если ещё не знакомы, то рекомендую видеоцикл М. Леонтьева "Большая Игра" именно обо всём этом. Да и статья про то же.
    "Большая Игра": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWBo9mEOiaU hi
    1. Sour
      Sour 30 September 2013 14: 19 New
      0
      You ignore the processes that took place inside the USSR.
      First of all, with the predominance of the urban population, the individualistic mentality began to develop more and more. It's unavoidable. Collectivist psychology and the modern city do not get along well.
      Secondly, nationalism raised its head. Do not believe those nonsense who say that he was not in the USSR. If you served an urgent in the Soviet Army, you probably came across manifestations of national hostility. It was in other areas of life, and not only at the household level. Do you think that in Soviet times a Russian could settle in Armenia and make a career there? Nothing of the kind. And not only in Armenia.
      In addition, communism strongly discredited itself, since it showed its economic inefficiency. Now everyone is talking about plundered budget funds. And did anyone consider how much money was invested in the USSR in unnecessary and ultimately unfinished construction projects? Such a construction was in every district, or even not one. And this is no better than corruption and embezzlement.
      Or now everyone is complaining that money is going offshore. But from there they even come back sometimes, in the form of investments in some industries. But the petrodollars that the USSR donated (it is not clear why) to countries such as Ethiopia, Afghanistan or Mozambique will never come back.
      In short, three things destroyed the communist ideology:
      1) The growth of individualistic psychology.
      2) The rise of nationalism.
      3) Disappointment in the economic efficiency of socialism.
      All this was.
      1. varov14
        varov14 30 September 2013 15: 06 New
        +6
        Bend in moderation, nationalism has not disappeared, it is just beginning to gain momentum, and most importantly among us Russians. Yes, we blundered tightly, not living under capitalism, we believed that the owner better manages production. Now we’ve been convinced that the thief is excellent. Under socialism, the state conducted huge construction, another matter is not always where it is necessary, and from our point of view, it contained schools, hospitals, a weak army, space, and enterprises built housing - for free. Now, we would have been out of reach of these oil dollars. No need to talk about the economic efficiency of a fairy tale, now I do not see it point blank. Twenty years have passed, and in what year are we from the achievements of the USSR? Soon we will arrive at 17.
        1. Gennady1973
          Gennady1973 30 September 2013 15: 42 New
          0
          varov14 Полностью с вами согласен!посмотрите на "коммунистический"Китай!они "разочаровались в экономической эффективности социализма"
          1. Sour
            Sour 30 September 2013 20: 41 New
            -2
            Very little in common between Soviet and current Chinese socialism. General, in fact, there is only one thing - a one-party system. The present China is a completely capitalist state, with great social stratification, and integration into the world economy. The USSR was absolutely not like today's China. And stop speculating on this topic.
            The USSR was closer, rather, with today's North Korea, and not to China. In China, one name has long remained from socialism.
            And do not idealize China. The country has more social contradictions than ours (those who know it), and the economy depends on the import of raw materials. If suddenly Australia begins to develop its metallurgy (and this is real, more than) and stop selling ore to China, then the whole economy of China will rise within a year. China depends on the world market much more than the USSR depended. This is a very vulnerable economy. And by no means socialist, although with elements of planning.
            As for the Soviet state, I will tell Mr. varov14 - bend, but in moderation. I remember Soviet times not from my father’s stories, but personally. Under the USSR, I got a family, and served an urgent, and received higher education, and became an officer. The people lived poorly. They gave everything to everyone, but a little. Injustice and meanness were no less than now. The arbitrariness of officials was even greater. The officials were just as arrogant and arrogant, not afraid of anything. It is no coincidence that 90% of Russians do not want a return to the old. And I do not want, fed up with socialism. And most of them are fed up, otherwise he would not have collapsed.
            1. Gennady1973
              Gennady1973 30 September 2013 21: 46 New
              +1
              Кислый.доброго времени суток! а вы уверены в 90 процентах?вы кого в это включаете?мои родители в свое время в те времена могли позволить очень многое (живя в деревне) и бесплатное лечение на ЛЮБЫХ курортах СССР и на "книжку" что то оставалось,и мне на велик......лично я очень хотел бы в НАШ СОВОК!
              1. Sour
                Sour 30 September 2013 22: 11 New
                0
                90% not sure. Perhaps 95%.
                My mother receives a pension of 30 thousand. Not for any merits to the Putin regime, but for the Soviet orders. But I’m not so sure that she would have been paid such a pension. If anything, she retired during the USSR, and received about 100 rubles. In terms of purchasing power, this is much less than the current 30 thousand.
                But it's not that. Someone wants, but someone does not. You won’t please everyone. My brother over there is voting for the Communist Party, but solely out of a feeling of protest against what’s not clear. Under the USSR, he was dissatisfied with the Soviet regime, and now Putin.
                А на велик, кстати, я сам заработал, у родителей не просил. Заработал, обрабатывая совхозную свёклу. На коньки и клюшку тоже заработал в совхозе, и ещё много на чего. Я тоже из сельской местности, если что. Чтобы вы не сомневались - не из Тель-Авива заслан. И сейчас не олигарх, а живу на две зарплаты плюс пенсию. Но не хочу ни социализма, ни воссоединения с "братскими народами". Извините, но у каждого свой взгляд на вещи. Меня нынешняя Россия многим не устраивает, но СССР устраивал ещё меньше
                1. Peaceful military
                  Peaceful military 30 September 2013 22: 33 New
                  0
                  Under the USSR, I got a family, and served an urgent, and received higher education, and became an officer.

                  but the USSR suited (me) even less

                  Sour!
                  Говёный офицер из вас стал, с такими и идеологических диверсий не надо, сами всё сдадите за "бочку варенья и ящик печенья". angry
                  1. Sour
                    Sour 30 September 2013 23: 00 New
                    0
                    And who are you, Mr. Estonian, to rate me as an officer?
                    I served my honestly. And he risked his life more than once or twice.
                    He served, and if necessary, still serve the Motherland of Russia. But I did not take the oath to Karl Marle and his crazy ideas. And you, comrade communists, no one has given the monopoly on patriotism. As well as the right to judge who is what officer.
                    You can minus further. Just not you, a foreigner, to teach me patriotism.
                    1. Peaceful military
                      Peaceful military 30 September 2013 23: 19 New
                      +1
                      And who are you, Mr. Estonian, to rate me as an officer?

                      For your information, I’m not an Estonian (although I don’t see anything wrong with being an Estonian), a personnel officer of the USSR Armed Forces who clearly became him earlier than you ...
                      So what?...
                      1. Sour
                        Sour 30 September 2013 23: 24 New
                        0
                        Nothing, Mr. shitty staff officer. Though earlier, even later - not for you to evaluate me. I have nothing to be ashamed of in front of my country and people. And I don’t get into foreigners mentors on patriotism.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 September 2013 23: 40 New
                        +1
                        Break, comrades officers! What are you doing here! It’s still not enough for you to choke each other here! All from one trench! They took one oath!
                      3. Peaceful military
                        Peaceful military 1 October 2013 00: 23 New
                        +1
                        Hi Sasha!
                        I haven't seen you in a while. How are you? soldier
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 1 October 2013 01: 13 New
                        +1
                        Hi Andrei, everything is fine, how is it?
                      5. Peaceful military
                        Peaceful military 1 October 2013 20: 45 New
                        0
                        Hi Andrei, everything is fine, how is it?

                        Also within the permitted and reasonable. Thank! smile
                        Although I am retired, I continue to teach and translate, therefore, sometimes, I am offline for a long time.soldier
                  2. svp67
                    svp67 1 October 2013 01: 31 New
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                    Quote: Alex 241
                    break

                    Good nights. Order support?
                  3. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 1 October 2013 01: 33 New
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                    Hi Seryozha, oh well, a kindergarten with carousels. We didn’t agree on melee.
                  4. svp67
                    svp67 1 October 2013 01: 43 New
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                    All one will not fight, only the people will amuse ...
    2. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 1 October 2013 16: 24 New
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      Sour. You have your own truth, I have my own. Therefore, there are disputes and discussions. Good luck to you. Sincerely. Sorry for the immodest question, and you (your parents where they live) are just a pension like my salary
  28. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 30 September 2013 22: 26 New
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    Personally, I would really like to OUR SCOOP!

    Dear Gennady!
    As you can, speaking about the merits of the Union, call it right away scoop?
    From these supposedly trifles the Union’s grave was made up ... hi
    1. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 1 October 2013 16: 30 New
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      Мирный военный. не в обиду я не считал слово "совок"оскарбительным.Скорее наоборот.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 30 September 2013 14: 36 New
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    You ignore the processes that took place inside the USSR.

    Not the opposite.
    BUT!
    At the same time, I do not ignore the direction and development of the processes necessary for the geopolitical "partners" that took place in the USSR and are taking place in modern Russia and the post-Soviet space.
    One without the other is not possible.
    hi
  • varov14
    varov14 30 September 2013 14: 46 New
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    «Разлагайте все хорошее, что имеется в стране вашего противника.Это положено за основу инструкции нынешним западным разведслужбам, специализирующимся на психологической войне." --- Так это должно быть положено и в основу наших спецслужб. А лучшая спецслужба это та, которая плюс к выше изложенному уничтожает потенциальных идеологов. Война есть война, все средства хороши, жалеть врага себе ущерб.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 30 September 2013 14: 53 New
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      And the best special service is one that, plus the above, destroys potential ideologists.

      There is no will, not only to crank up such cool things, but at least to confront inside Russia. YOU!sad
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  • Alex66
    Alex66 30 September 2013 14: 52 New
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    “... Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples, primarily enmity and hatred of the Russian people - all of this we will cleverly and inconspicuously cultivate ...
    If I am not mistaken, these words appeared before the First World War, in vain we underestimate the Zionists, although the protocols say that they shut their mouths to anyone, it’s not for nothing that our president caved in, built a museum, and returned the library. It also says about bribing the elites, replacing them with obedient ones, like DAM, who will not defend the interests of their people. And in Ukraine, almost the same situation. I will explain the Jews and the Zionists, I do not equate, among the first there are many decent people.
  • densh
    densh 30 September 2013 14: 53 New
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    In a free translation into Russian, the name Brzezinski sounds like ... Berezovsky.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 30 September 2013 15: 02 New
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    “... Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and no one will need them, they will become a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples, above all enmity and hatred of the Russian people - we will cultivate all this cleverly and imperceptibly ... it will flourish Terry color ... We will loosen this way, generation after generation ... We will fight for people from childhood, youth, we will always make a major stake on young people, we will decompose, corrupt, corrupt it. We will make them cosmopolitan ... And only a few, very few will guess or understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a ridicule, find a way to slander them and declare them the dregs of society ... ” This is how the process of moral and spiritual disarmament and degradation of our peoples took place “cleverly and imperceptibly”.


    What is happening to us now. There are almost no people left ...
  • RUSS
    RUSS 30 September 2013 15: 24 New
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    Quote: densh
    In a free translation into Russian, the name Brzezinski sounds like ... Berezovsky.

    Oh Russian white birch defiled ...
    1. Sour
      Sour 30 September 2013 20: 56 New
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      Have you been to Europe? There are plenty of birches. At least in Germany, at least in Poland, at least in the Czech Republic, at least in Slovakia. Even in Italy they are.
      But what you will not see in Europe is the American maple. The most common tree on the streets of Russian cities and villages. The most common tree for Russian forest shelterbelts. A malicious weed that you will not see in Europe, but which was brought back to the USSR for some reason in the 30s. Useless tree, not suitable for carpentry, construction and even for firewood (too crooked, branches will not crawl into every firebox). Now it's time to make it a symbol of Russia (instead of birch), because in Russia it is full, and except for the USA, Canada and Russia, it does not grow anywhere.
      In the USA and Canada, they even got the hang of making syrup from it, but in our country it is not clear why.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 October 2013 09: 49 New
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        Maple is a beautiful tree, especially in autumn, and you immediately put it into the furnace. It is planted not for locksmithing and not for firewood, what is it about?
  • Karabin
    Karabin 30 September 2013 18: 22 New
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    As for Ukraine, I would especially like to remind our "European integrators" about ...

    Well, reminded, and sho? Your reminder will give a result, will integrators listen to it? Or a reminder will cause a wave of protests of anti-integrants, comparable, at least with the Maidan? Nothing of the kind, the integration process will go according to the scenario of the inviting party and will probably be endless, as with Turkey. The masses will be watching him. Not to promote, but not to oppose.
    Ideological sabotage certainly exists, but it is not crucial for the final result, just as sabotage at facilities was not capable of influencing the outcome of World War II. In addition, is there an ideology in modern Russia and Ukraine against which diversion is directed? In addition to babloideologii, there is nothing, and there is no point in fighting the enemy with such an ideology. And Ukraine is already torn from Russia thanks to elites and indifferent people on both sides of the fucking border.
    It is tempting, of course, to blame everything on the ideological saboteurs, even to call them by name. They are just ... like a weed in a vegetable garden. And the weed will tighten the garden, only when the owners become ugly or sick. We, the modern Russian people, are sick with lack of ideas and disunity, faith in a good tsar and wise boyars, waiting for orders from above, lazy in defending our rights and patient with injustice. Apparently, we are worthy of Putin, Yanukovych, Medvedev, Serdyukov, Akhmedov and other elitist frayers, the "Dulles plan", which they invented for themselves, in order to justify our club-handedness and head-handedness. And ideological sabotage was at all times as long as Russia exists. But, again, sabotage does not decide the outcome of the battle. Our ancestors have proven this many times.
  • Kondrhero
    Kondrhero 30 September 2013 21: 45 New
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    Quote: Kibalchish
    today process

    Are you full, or a blogger on the salary of the CIA))))
    Do not carry nonsense in bright minds)))))
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  • jjj
    jjj 30 September 2013 23: 15 New
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    I will say it again.
    But if you ring the doorbell in the evening and say: "Citizen, come on!", Then how many of the "freedom-loving", "universal" accusers will be left with dry pants?
    The appearance of impunity is just an illusion. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.
  • Watson J.
    Watson J. 30 September 2013 23: 41 New
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    Quote: netMolotov
    bomg.77 - Google to help.

    Well, the most, like this, to halt the impostor - weakly! For example, I live in a country where people and government are one. And there are many more countries in this world where there is a unity of people and power. Well, for example - SWITZERLAND. Well refute me.


    Instead of smile, I allow myself to answer a comrade who, apparently, Switzerland knows only from photographs.
    Offhand a few problems:
    1. Interethnic (internal, among indigenous): http://magazines.russ.ru/vestnik/2005/13/pe13-pr.html
    2. Interfaith (internal, among indigenous): http://www.newsru.com/religy/11may2012/hanskueng.html
    3. Interfaith: http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/902519/
    4. Interfaith (primary source, English): http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/Swiss_umma_project_takes_shape.html?cid=3
    2101706 & rss = true
    5. Расовые: http://www.dni.ru/incidents/2013/6/19/254632.html

    То, что пока в этой стране удается решать разногласия за столом переговоров, и пока что побеждает здравый смысл, никак не входит в противоречие с утверждением о наличии недовольных властью в стране. Сидят себе "швейцарцы" и договариваются долго и нудно, не прибегая к помощи Жи-СМИ для решения насущных проблем. Вот у вас и иллюзия полной гармонии. Подключите к процессам Жи-СМИ, и у вас будет абсолютно другое убеждение.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 1 October 2013 06: 32 New
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    The authority of the tsarist government was rapidly declining. To a large extent, this was facilitated by rumors about scandals at court, about Rasputin. Their plausibility was confirmed by the so-called “ministerial leapfrog”: during the two years of the war, four presidents of the Council of Ministers and six ministers of internal affairs were replaced. The population in the Russian Empire did not have time to not only get acquainted with the political program, but also to discern the face of the next prime minister or minister. Budget expenditures in 1916 exceeded revenues by 76%. Taxes were sharply increased. The government also resorted to issuing domestic loans, and went to the mass issue of paper money without gold collateral. This led to a drop in the value of the ruble, a violation of the entire financial system in the state, and an extraordinary increase in high cost. Approaching 17 years. Funny and bitter. History should teach to go around a rake.