Sergey Rogov: “The sword of Damocles hangs over our science”

Like all academicians, Sergei Mikhailovich did not go on vacation in the summer. It was necessary to prepare a thorough and convincing research that would show the role of the Russian Academy of Sciences in modern Russia, and would save both the authorities and the scientists themselves from the many illusions that prevail in society.

The work “New shock therapy and“ Reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences ”prepared jointly with colleagues at the institute. The realities of Russian science ”he presented at the General Meeting of the Russian Academy of Sciences. In the monograph, the role and place of science in our life were presented integrally and volumetrically, it was told about the fate of scientific research in Russia, as well as about finding a way out of the impasse. The fact that we were in it, it seems, no one has any doubts.

Have you heard the opinion of the famous scientist "at the very top"? At first it seemed to me that this would happen, but the study of Academician Rogov, as well as other recommendations coming from the Russian Academy of Sciences, was not only not heeded, but did not even get to know them!

I asked Sergei Mikhailovich at the meeting about the reaction that followed after sending his work to all the “instances”. He answered shortly:

- Silence. It is unprofitable for them to discuss this ...

It is a pity, because it is impossible to make decisions about the fate of science and the Russian Academy of Sciences, not knowing and not understanding what is happening with them and around them.

- Your overall assessment of the situation - what is it?

- The Russian Academy of Sciences in the past century has repeatedly faced enormous difficulties, but it held out and provided a foundation for our future. Despite beggarly financing, the RAS is the most effective sector of Russian science in terms of the number of scientific publications, not to mention their quality. But today we face the real threat of the final destruction of basic science, as happened with applied science in Russia in 1990 ...

It is planned to create a super-bureaucratic model of management of Russian fundamental science and its financing. Officials will have the unlimited right to establish, reorganize and liquidate scientific organizations and appoint their leaders. The age-old tradition of the democratic self-government of the scientific community will be destroyed.

It is planned to change the role of the scientific institutions themselves, turning them into a kind of “supporting platform” for temporary scientific groups. The key object of funding in the new model will be the “scientific laboratory of groups of scientists” with a significant reduction in the share (less than 50 percent) of the estimated funding of organizations. The official pseudo-reform will lead to the elimination of the existing scientific infrastructure and the destruction of existing scientific schools. There will be a massive reduction of scientific organizations and the dismissal of scientists. The communities of scientists by branches of the RAS department will also be destroyed, which will lead to the fragmentation of the scientific community.

“But how to get rid of institutions and institutions that really work poorly — do we not have such?”

- On this account, a masterpiece of bureaucratic thinking is proposed, which, it seems, formed the basis of the draft law on the reform of the RAS.

“The created interdepartmental commission is empowered to determine the minimum values ​​of the performance indicators for classifying organizations in the first, second and third classes by reference groups.” The first category is the leaders, and it is proposed to add to the criteria defining this group that the performance indicators of a scientific organization “with respect to organizations in similar reference groups are more than 25% higher than the average”. The second category includes “stable scientific organizations that demonstrate satisfactory performance.” The third category includes “scientific organizations that have lost their scientific profile and development prospects” and, according to the draft decree, the performance indicators of which “are relative to organizations in similar reference groups by more than 25% below the average”. Proposals are submitted to the interagency commission for approval.

At the same time, there is no real increase in research funding. The financial and economic rationale says nothing about the multibillion-dollar cost of creating and operating a huge new bureaucratic structure - the Agency for Scientific Institutions of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Meanwhile, according to the estimates of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the creation of the Agency will cost approximately 60 billion rubles, which is equal to the annual budget of the Academy of Sciences.

- In the past two decades, the number of officials in the country has increased several times, many new organizations, firms and foundations have appeared. Even graduates with higher education diplomas have become ten times more than it was in the entire Soviet Union. The bureaucratic apparatus grew rapidly. Has this All-Russian process touched the Academy of Sciences?

- Throughout this time, there has been a process of de-modernization and de-intellectualization of Russia. The USSR in terms of domestic spending on R & D, which reached about 5% of GDP, was among the world leaders. The country had a powerful system of basic and applied research, in which almost 1,5 million researchers worked - about one quarter of all scientists in the world. Industry science was represented by approximately 5 by thousands of institutes and design bureaus, testing stations and was supervised by the relevant ministries. The concentration of enormous resources has made it possible to achieve a technological breakthrough in a number of branches of the military-industrial complex, including the nuclear and aerospace industries, instrument-making. Although during the Cold War, the scientific complex had a clear military-industrial bias (3 / 4 R & D expenditures were directly or indirectly defensive), and some areas of research were victims of ideological dogma, fundamental science and many branches of applied science in the Soviet Union world level.

The state of Russian science and education, starting with 1990-s and up to today, continue to be crisis. As a result of the “shock therapy”, most of the sectoral institutions, which were the main link between science and production and the main element of the innovation process in the country, ceased to exist. Applied science was destroyed when branch ministries disappeared.

For two decades, the number of research organizations in Russia has decreased by almost 20% (from 4555 to 3682), the number of industrial organizations having research and development and design departments - by 18% (from 340 to 280). The number of design offices decreased in 2,4 times (from 865 to 364) the number of design organizations - in 13 times (from 495 to 38).

It suffered heavy losses, but the Russian Academy of Sciences continues its work. However, the “Damocles Sword” of the same “shock therapy” imposed from above on the destructive reform imposed from above hangs over it.

- Comparison of what died and what was born - the unrestrained growth in the number of banks and other various financial institutions, offices, stock exchanges, buy-sell complexes, etc. - speaks for itself ...

- Disappear mainly engineering professions, technical specialties and all that is necessary for modern production and science. Employment in the science sector in Russia from 1992-2011 decreased in 2,5 times, and the number of researchers - almost 3 times. And the process of reduction continues. Today, many researchers are deprived of the expected career prospects and do not see a clear path of their professional and career growth. This causes the outflow of scientists abroad. According to the estimates of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, by the middle of the 2000s, more than 800 thousands of researchers had emigrated. Every year the country leaves up to 15% of university graduates. In addition to these traditional forms of “brain drain,” new ones have appeared, such as the “leak of ideas.” Many scientists living in Russia work according to scientific programs carried out in the interests of foreign customers. Thus, they “emigrate” without going abroad, and the results of their research belong to a foreign employer.

Russia fell back to 4-place in the world (after the United States, China and Japan) in the number of researchers.

The current situation poses a threat to Russia's national security. If you do not change the approach to science, then the primitive structure of the economy will be preserved, the country's scientific and technological gap will increase, the international competitiveness of domestic products will be further reduced and the status of the raw material appendage of world leaders will be humiliating for Russia.

Russia's share in the global export of high-tech products is 0,2%, including aerospace products - 0,6%, chemical products - 0,6 pharmaceutical products - 0,4%, scientific instruments - 0,3%, electronics - 0,1%, computers - 0,0%. Talking about the “energy superpower” is self-deception. It’s time to understand that in quantitative terms we will never be equal to the United States, China, the European Union and India ...

- Well, what about Skolkovo, Rosnano, Kurchatov Center, and other trendy entities that are proclaimed as “leaders of the innovative path of development of Russia” and who consume the lion's share of funds allocated to science?

- The idea that the Russian state spends too much on science (0,82% of GDP) does not correspond to reality. According to this indicator, Russia is far ahead of the United States, Germany, Finland, South Korea, Sweden and several others. The Russian Federation today spends on fundamental research a significantly smaller share of GDP than countries — the leaders of scientific and technological progress. We are lagging behind Switzerland by 4 times by this indicator, by France and USA by 3 times, by Japan by 4 times ...

- And yet: what about Skolkovo and the rest?

- In recent years, state budget spending on innovation has really increased. But they were mainly financed by Skolkovo, Rosnano, the Kurchatov Institute, megaprojects, industry projects, university science, and so on. There have been repeated attempts to create a "parallel Academy", that is, a massive allocation of budgetary funds for structures that enjoy financial and tax advantages from the state. However, these costs were unproductive and almost did not bring any visible results.

Comments

[awg75]

there is no self-government, all the more democratic in the scientific society. look around. upstairs are outright thieves and pseudo-scientists who share huge government money. It was high time, at least, to try to take away their economic functions from them.

[SHILO]

RAS is the most efficient sector of Russian science in terms of such an indicator as the number of scientific publications, not to mention their quality.

Very optimistic - The Russian Science Citation Index is less than 2%.
Reform is needed - the question is how will it be carried out, will the remnants be finished?

[xetai9977]

And what was the school !!! Landau, Semenov, Basov, Artsimovich, Kapitsa, and many others ....

[avt]

Quote: xetai9977

And what was the school !!! Landau, Semenov, Basov, Artsimovich, Kapitsa, and many others ...

Yeah. And "crisis manager" LP Beria. And what is characteristic - the result was even more than invested funds. Even Khariton, in the conditions of the victory of democracy over totalitarianism, said that it was easier to work. Probably old age crept up.

[Kasym]

It all started with the collapse of the USSR. Science and education, health and army, culture and art. All this does not bring a quick income for the state. So, according to the laws of a market economy, funding should be reduced.
Nazarbayev almost immediately destroyed the Academy. No money, that's all. But sending children to receive religious education was just about anywhere. And now we invite foreign teachers to work in VYZs and they feed them 3-4 times more than domestic specialists. And they also began to conduct contests for funding scientific and applied works. On the one hand, it seems good, but there is a lot of "hack". And then min. form. states that our funding for science is at the best level in the CIS and, on average, our scientists have almost 1 - 500 dollars. salaries. Only they don't write that the maximum is actually 2 kand. sciences and 000 documents. nayk (the average salary in Alma-Ata is 550 dollars according to the statements of the authorities, but in reality it is somewhere around 800). And you have to grow up to that. So young people don't go to science, that's a fact.
After the roar. In 1917, the USSR practically became an outcast. Therefore, in order to educate our cadres, it was decided, on the issue of the education system, to adopt the German reform at the time of their industrialization (19th century). And slogans were thrown "Learn, learn and learn again", "Everyone at the party" and etc. ... And it bore fruit. Before the collapse of the USSR, it came to the point that theoretical developments or developments would have been enough for half a century ahead, but there was no money for their practical (applied) application. It should be noted that under the USSR, Cand. science received in the 70s 350 rubles. , and the average salary was about 100 rubles .. Feel the difference, as they say. And any plagiarism was ruled out. By the way, the Minister of Education has recently been removed from our post. The media wrote to us that he had Dr. dis. sheer plagiarism, but he defended himself in Kyrgyzstan. Previously, this would not have climbed unambiguously.
There are a lot of such things in science that are necessary for its development, but it does not give practical benefits (the so-called THEORY). So the government demands that science should give material returns, not understanding that for practice, there must first be theory, and this for the scientist is the number one problem.
RUSSIA DOES NOT ADD THE MISTAKES THAT KAZAKHSTAN HAS DONE. This is a real diversion against our education. And this is done by the West in order to bring its values. This Balloon, European, syst. makes education of our children, sorry, but for other words it couldn’t be expressed.
Maybe this koment y was not very intelligible, but I'm sorry.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

slogans were thrown: "Learn, learn and learn again", "All at the party", etc.

And the main thing is that the principle was observed - “we must give such a sum of knowledge so that every cook could manage the state."

Quote: Kasym

By the way, we have recently been removed from office by the Minister of Education. In the media, we wrote that he was a doctor. dis. continuous plagiarism, but defended in Kyrgyzstan

Livanov was the same deputy, recently resigned, to a new job.

Quote: Kasym

RUSSIA DOES NOT ADD THE MISTAKES THAT KAZAKHSTAN HAS DONE. This is a real diversion against our education. And this is done by the West in order to bring its values. This Balloon, European, syst. makes education of our children, sorry, but for other words it couldn’t be expressed.

Alas, we have been living according to Fursenko's behests for a long time - we have produced consumers, the current “elite” do not need thinking people, they are building a clan society with a mixture of castes. society, the class struggle is intensifying.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

. In the media, we wrote that he was a doctor. dis. continuous plagiarism, and defended itself in Kyrgyzstan. Previously, this would not have come unequivocally.

I forgot to add, our accomplice Livanov received his "scientific works" through the Kazakh branch of a Moscow institution, so they have already debugged their "union" of lovers of images of dead American presidents without any problems.

[S_mirnov]

Quote: Kasym

It all started with the collapse of the USSR

Very good comment, smart.
But the matter is not only in science, RAS is just one of the institutions of the state. And in others things are no better than in the Russian Academy of Sciences (heavy industry, prosecutor's office, Ministry of Internal Affairs) the whole state is affected by corruption! Even a hedgehog understands that reform (I prefer the concept of cleaning) is necessary, but why doesn’t it reach everyone that those who brought our country to the modern state are taking reform?
Trust the goat to watch cabbage!
And one should not start from the RAS. It is necessary to clean the whole country and start from above!

[Djozz]

Current does not need Landau!

[dmitrich]

then Stalin was alive.

[30143]

Have you heard anything about state secrets? In Ukraine, they just took it and laid it out. Even now they don’t need to translate. Citation Index is a fiction, as are university rankings. The most important indicator, in my opinion, is the number of graduates employed by profession. Can you name me such EXTENSIONS? And then you will understand where in Kiev and Lviv Polytechnics and Shevchenko University will be.

[s1н7т]

Quote: awg75

It was high time, at least, to try to take away their economic functions from them.

Gee! Serdyukov had already taken away "economic functions" from the military, but this only made things worse. Maybe stop reinventing the wheel? In the Union, everything somehow worked, however. And there are already many more officials in the Russian Federation, which is smaller than the USSR. And in the world, the role of the Russian Federation has been reduced to a plinth. Let's continue to ruin everything. Crazy and unrestrained.

[vvvvv]

Plus, because not very long ago I talked on a related topic with one of the smartest and most active person who writes a dissertation and occupies a high position in some places. I had the illusion that, in the aggregate of all this, he managed to promote some newest scientific developments in his field in Russia, etc., but I was disappointed ... Even status and intellectual capabilities do not allow something to break through in the current system - a real swamp of indifference, opportunism and mediocrity. All spheres in Russia are sabotaged by parasites that have gnawed into their chairs - pseudo-scientists and other figures who, in fact, are only careerists and lovers of a good place and haircuts. they will not even come close to active and intelligent people who can oust these mediocrities and corrupt officials. We are all surprised that the state is making attempts to really change something in some area, investing funds, but there is no exhaust! This is the reason. You can only judge by real results in science or industry. Only I do not see Russia as active and involving masses of people in science or the production of someone's activity. The same universities are stupidly rowing loot, formalizing the educational process, and they do not care about the future fate of the graduate. There is no further connection between the graduate and science and industry. All exclusively acquaintances - holders of honors degrees from universities - are officially unemployed and do not work in their specialty, but use their minds purely in making money. I must admit that I am one of those. But, not in their own way, but it happened so. After all, as I said above, then no one needs graduates. And I am sure that I would have made an excellent rationalizer, or maybe a designer or technologist, etc. And after all, I have always had a desire and interest in this. And for years I have been doing work for thousands of students who do not want to do this themselves, causing only harm ... And the skills are enormous, and in the aggregate, hundreds of higher educations have been obtained, but anyway, nobody cared and never will ... I used to make attempts to get a job somewhere, but nobody was interested in my abilities. Usually there were questions like where did I find out that there was a vacancy ... Or there were offers "from the bulldozer" to some sub-baseboard place. Absolute stupidity reigns everywhere. And I see no real way out of all this. No one will give up their familiar place to a more capable and sensible one, for such is the prevailing hierarchy of interaction and connections. In Soviet times, professional qualities played a greater role, but today nepotism and the like play a role. pieces. So, briefly ...

Russia fell back to 4-place in the world (after the United States, China and Japan) in the number of researchers.

What kind of researchers are here. A friend in Soviet times was counting shells for missiles at the Miass factory, he was the beginning. department, and today is engaged in tutoring and solves problems for students ... Shame! After all, such a person will not be able to offer a salary of 50-100 rubles. at the factory, and as much as he prefers to earn while sitting at home, smoking and drinking coffee. D.B.

[serka3]

Morons and traitors rule ... I think they have a little left!

[zvereok]

Quote: serka3

Morons and traitors rule ... I think they have a little left!

I think we have not long left. Traitors will live.

[cumastra1]

I know how the scientific community works. I know "from the inside". It's kind of like slavery. When the fruits of the labors of lower-level workers are appropriated by those who are higher. There are many troubles there. And bribe-takers, nepotism and banal theft, promotion of their own and silence of others. I don't know what, but we have to do something with science. Maybe not so radically, but the tail, or rather the "head" must be pressed.

[I am]

Well, am I doing science at SSTU? You think for 10 thousand I open a lot? If I have to earn extra money on the side to .... (well, a lot of things a girl needs).
Honestly, it is not a matter of reform, but a methodical, for 20 years, driving of science into the non-prestigious sector.

[bomg.77]

They tore the false scientists away from the feeding trough and for panic. For 20 years, not a single more or less worthwhile discovery, only renting the room is all the achievements. They self-credited themselves. They didn’t do anything, they gave money, they don’t do anything again.

[I am]

They gave about, yes, only they didn’t reach the bottom. And here you are right. Need to do something. And about false scientists, well, not all of them are like that, although the majority, and this is true.

[bomg.77]

Quote: I am

And about false scientists, well, not all of them are like that, although the majority, and this is true

I don’t agree, but where do they do what they have achieved, we evaluate it by achievements and discoveries, and not by their ability to solve crosswords and speak smartly. Pelerman without any state funding proved Poincare’s theorem and this is the only thing that can be remembered, but before that he was fired from the institute, probably people are working even smarter at this institute))).

[My doctor]

He is the director of the Institute of USA and Canada, he has something to lose.

[Mikhail m]

The sword of Damocles no longer hangs; he fell. Science begins with education. What is happening there, no need to remind. The death of production led to the death of applied science. The offices for trading in bioadditives, stretch ceilings, etc., which have expanded in the institute’s premises, do not remind of anything? Shopping and entertainment in the buildings of former enterprises from the same opera. Well, the reform of the RAS puts an end to the protracted process. Welcome to the friendly ranks of the third world countries, dear Russians.

[Airman]

Show me the NEW equipment or weapons created after 1991? ALL. what has been created is the MODERNIZATION of Soviet models. And without science, fundamental and applied, you cannot create a NEW WEAPON. Therefore, science and defense are interconnected, and if we do not have advanced scientific potential, then there will be no modern armed forces.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Povshnik

Show me the NEW equipment or weapons created after 1991

Something but PAK FA doesn’t climb anything into the head. But how many weapons were sold and strangled by some field generators, which cost and part N 10003 eh sellers ....

[I am]

Yes. that’s for sure, only interested production needs to be added to science. And then you come to the factory to do experiments, and they look like a fool, which is stashed, we all know without you, go and cook soup. And drive the echelons of marriage.

[Colonelic]

The problem of comprehensive reform a complex system of conducting fundamental scientific research, applied work (industry institutes, R&D, etc.) and putting the obtained scientific results into practice is by no means new!
Including, this problem existed and the USSR ...
The whole question is how to solve this difficult problem.without prejudice to the accumulated scientific potential of the country, developed over many years by advanced scientific schools and organizations, including in the military-industrial complex, the system of technical and humanitarian education, which, as you know, were among the best in the world!
The mediocre and frankly destructive "reforms" carried out by the post-Soviet semi-literate and corrupt "elite" over the past decades have caused tremendous and irreparable damage in this area ...
And not only in this area!
Otherwise, as liberal wrecking in the country liberal "reforms" can not be called wrecking!
Whatever "good" wishes they did not hide behind ...
Does nobody really notice this?

[varov14]

So for this, grants and various bonuses and preferences from the West, but you can’t forbid a good life, the hunter’s greens, and the households in the west are attached.

[Airman]

Quote: Colonelic

The problem of comprehensive reform a complex system of conducting fundamental scientific research, applied work (industry institutes, R&D, etc.) and putting the obtained scientific results into practice is by no means new!
Including, this problem existed and the USSR ...
The whole question is how to solve this difficult problem.without prejudice to the accumulated scientific potential of the country, developed over many years by advanced scientific schools and organizations, including in the military-industrial complex, the system of technical and humanitarian education, which, as you know, were among the best in the world!
The mediocre and frankly destructive "reforms" carried out by the post-Soviet semi-literate and corrupt "elite" over the past decades have caused tremendous and irreparable damage in this area ...
And not only in this area!
Otherwise, as liberal wrecking in the country liberal "reforms" can not be called wrecking!
Whatever "good" wishes they did not hide behind ...
Does nobody really notice this?

ALL sensible people notice (they just don’t notice ... and slabbers, and if they notice, they should be our one), but any criticism of the government is perceived by the government as anti-state activity, and is punishable strictly by law. ANY speech of the people is interpreted as an unauthorized rally, and is severely suppressed.

[PValery53]

Execute pseudo-reformers !! (There is some truth in this joke) - I meant - "clean it out with a broom!"

[alone]

you can’t clean it with a broom anymore, they sit very tight. You have to push the excavator out

[Airman]

Quote: lonely

you can’t clean it with a broom anymore, they sit very tight. You have to push the excavator out

The excavator will not help, you need explosives, so that they would not have returned.

[s1н7т]

Quote: PValery53

"clean it out with a broom!"

Where do we start - with voters or whom did they choose

[I am]

Do not confuse sour with fresh.

[I am]

I join, and even agree to participate

[IGS]

Why such a cry? Scientists should be engaged in science, and not cutting the allocated dough. Maybe there is also a cry because the great "pundits" will lose the lever of pressure on young, impoverished scientists, whose work they regularly appropriate, and will simply be blown away? There is a good example with outstanding results: Beria, as a manager, and scientists. Now all our scientific journals (and this is the citation index) are owned by Americans, and this is with the good will of the academics. In the hands of the Americans, there is still a lot of things, for example, the exclusive right to export museum exhibits for exhibitions abroad and an assessment of the loss, in case of such ... From the money given by the state for 5000 apartments for young scientists (which actually infuriated the LADY), there was bought for young scientists and provided apartments for a little more than 300, the rest of the grandmother in a brazen 4,5 THOUSAND apartments ... Many scientists agree with the reform, only they cannot say, otherwise everything, you can put an end to your research, they are just slaves, so they shout that they are against. Tired of this nonsense, it will not be worse than now. Let them be engaged in science, if they have not yet forgotten how to do it, otherwise there is no money, if you saw the mansion of these "academicians", not a single Nobel laureate lives.

[I am]

Mansions, yes. Who is there about the explosives recalled. I put forward my work twice on a presidential grant and the recommendation of the Higher Attestation Commission was, and nefig, nobody needs real development, at least do something.

[Grishka100watt]

The reform of the RAS has a destructive essence.
In Russia, for every ministry there is a minister who wants to turn around.
Some ministries are subordinate to the president (security officials), others to the government.

In addition, in the ministry itself, in addition to the minister, there are many more officials (heads of departments, services and agencies). I suppose that the goal of the Minister of Education Livanov and his associates in the apparatus, who came under external influence, is the destruction of the Russian Academy of Sciences and education in Russia.

[varov14]

The more the country is computerized, the larger the bureaucratic apparatus. Maybe it's time to introduce clay tablets and cuneiform writing, with a bad head, and with crooked hands to keep ceasing in the civil service.

[limon]

From experience, not one reform has not brought real benefits. Modern reforms are one of the ways to destroy Russia.

[Ivanovich47]

It is not good for scientists to tinker with the economy of the Academy of Sciences, they have another task to move science forward. But there is a doubt that scientists will run naked if "Russian managers" seize all the property. Then goodbye science. Oh, I feel the nail of Russian science ...

[Theophanes]

The worst thing is that the reform of the Academy of Sciences is carried out by the same half-educators and reformers like the frank Gesldovtapov Gaidar (remember how he sputtered and called for the White House defenders to hang up) and the followers and Chubais — Shuvalov, Medvedev and other privatizers. It has been clear for a long time if the reformatory itch means someone wants to cut down the loot and fill their own pocket with folk money. Faith neither the government nor the United Russia has been around for a long time !!!! Medvedev and all his shoblu leave the country !!!! Dirty hands off the Great Academy of Sciences !!!!!

[klavyr]

Opinion: it is necessary to "weed out" the seeds from the chaff; but not only in the RAS, but the released personnel must be distributed

[marat1000]

Bring everyone And I know how to improve the country's science and ikanomics! It’s necessary to beat Grusia with an empty wall, we will all be afraid and we will be able to borrow a lot of money and live in a public debt like the United States, we will become rich and happy. MArat is 6 years old.

[ia-ai00]

As soon as some "servant" of the people conceives somewhere to reorganize something - "improve", so expect a complete collapse in the "field" of this "smart guy". He does not give a damn about the opinion of people who are more versed in a particular issue, he is not an authority who really own the issue, he does not even doubt his EXCLUSION. People, stupidly promoting their idiotic reforms - either PRIMITIVE in their essence, or work out the ORDER of "partners" from the USA and GAYROPE.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: awg75

there is no self-government, all the more democratic in the scientific society. look around. upstairs are outright thieves and pseudo-scientists who share huge government money. It was high time, at least, to try to take away their economic functions from them.

Do you think Medvedev and Putin are not thieves. They take other bigwigs from them, already from science. Who was Medvedev before the presidency - Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gazprom. Ask yourself a question, and he, who donated his income in Gazprom to some representative. Yes, they are all thieves! Therefore, Serdyukov is not sitting. He could be planted one episode on 1000 rubles. No, the investigation is pulling in order to drag out the process for decades, perhaps something will change. Yes, may they all, greedy for money and power, be damned forever and ever!

[Agent 008]

"By the side of the sea, a green oak;
The golden chain on the oak is that:
Day and night, the SCIENTIST cat
Everything goes round and round in chains ... "
(so our "reformers" want to put scientists on a chain, even a gold one)
"There, Tsar Kashchei over gold (financing) wasted away
There is a Russian spirit ... There is a smell of Russia "(A.S. Pushkin)

[yuri p]

what kind of sword, the guillotine has lowered, while others do not see, correctly vision and brains are lost with the head.

[yuri p]

and actually when there are no brains, it doesn’t matter what to chop off a member, ass, head or hair to shave on the legs there will be one result.

[Zomanus]

Science must be given real tasks. Then it will be in demand. And without setting goals, government spending begins to satisfy one's own curiosity. Which leads to the degradation of scientific thinking. Only tasks should be posed by sensible people, and we have nothing to do with it.

[VadimSt]

There are too many academicians who care not about scientific work, but about economic activity. That is why the Nobel Prizes are awarded to "young Russian scientists" who work in the USA and Europe, and not to academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences!
To bend science, academicians-business executives began in the Brezhnev period.
I remember that back in Soviet times, in the newspaper "Socialist Industry" there was an article about a rationalization proposal for a trench tool - a bayonet shovel with longitudinal slots, which made it possible to reduce the applied force during its use, with all the ensuing results. Several RAS institutes and laboratories were involved in the scientific substantiation and conclusion! They laughed, got angry and stopped there.
Let scientists do science, but business executives and pseudoscientists, in the form of academician Lysenko, must be driven to the neck.

[Combitor]

Skolkovo and Rusnano enjoy such love among the current regime because the budget money allocated for these projects is "dripping" and robustly into the pockets of government officials. And what can you fuck with academics? Power was looking for, looking for and found. It turned out to be a tasty morsel - real estate. It will be taken away from the academicians and given to some urgently created next agency (how many are there already?). It remains only to find out the name of the one who will be the head of this agency. no doubt it will be someone from Putin's inner circle (friends, relatives, classmates, "associates" in St. Petersburg), in general, an individual close to the body of the emperor.
All this fuss of Putinoids and their Fuhrer around the RAS reminded me of one work:
<- It is known, - answered Shvonder, - but the general meeting, having considered your question, came to the conclusion that on the whole you occupy excessive space. Completely excessive. You live alone in seven rooms.
“I live and work alone in seven rooms,” answered Philippe Filippovich, “and I would like to have an eighth.” I need it for the library ...
- I have a reception room - mind you - it’s the library, the dining room, my office - 3. The examination room - 4. The operating room - 5. My bedroom - 6 and the maid’s room - 7. In general, it’s not enough ... Yes, however, it doesn’t matter. My apartment is free, and the conversation is over ...
“I apologize,” Schwonder interrupted, “it was about the dining room and the viewing room that we came to talk.” The general meeting asks you to voluntarily, in order of labor discipline, refuse the canteen. No one in Moscow has dining rooms ...
“And from the viewing room,” continued Schwonder, “the viewing room can be perfectly connected to the office.”
“Yeah,” said Philipp Philippovich in a strange voice, “and where should I eat?”
“In the bedroom,” all four answered in unison ...
“To eat in the bedroom,” he began in a slightly strangled voice, “read in the examination room, dress in the waiting room, operate in the servants' room, and examine in the dining room ... I will have lunch in the dining room, and operate in the operating room! Pass this on to the general meeting and humbly ask you to return to your business, and give me the opportunity to take food where all normal people take it, that is, in the dining room, and not in the front or in the nursery.>

[IGS]

That is, some thieves will take away from others, right? Then how does this concern us? Or "academicians" poor and destitute, with apartments of 600 square meters? What does this have to do with scientists? If the reagents do not have to be bought by ourselves, then the reform can be considered a success. Everything else is from the evil one. From this real estate, ordinary employees have nothing, as well as their research, as well as science itself. And then they differ, they drive from the trough.

[Koronik]

"Despite the beggarly funding." DEAR SIRS Scientists, but funding was meager in both health care and education, this did not destroy Russia. Why are you so frightening us with the consequences of the reform? Which is really long overdue in RAS. Scientists should be engaged in science, doctors in treatment, teachers in education. And it is not necessary to politicize the situation. And the officials and bribe-takers whom you so "describe" in the RAS more than anywhere else.

[scientist]

I do not want to go into details and give obvious facts. But the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the relationship of the entire Russian scientific community is long overdue. It just can't get any worse! Therefore, it’s pointless to argue about the ways of reform, nit’s necessary to start, and in the course of reforms to analyze the results and adjust the vector.
Over the past 10-15 years, we have lost 80% of our scientific potential. Priceless science schools were lost, many of which are now working for the Western economy and defense. For example, my supervisor was invited to NASA to deal with missile defense issues, by the beginning of 2000 there. 80% of scientific posts are occupied by immigrants from the Union. True, instead of NASA, he went to work in the Russian unit of the UN peacekeeping mission and I am very glad that he did not leave for the United States at all, but this fact speaks volumes.
And what is going on in civil science, surviving through foreign grants, is generally beyond comment. Lomonosov would have committed suicide if he knew what the RAS had brought to.
That is why in the past 10 years, the United States and Israel have made such a leap in missile defense. As a result, now our missile defense research units are headed by ossified "eminent" scientists whose average age is 70 years. What can they offer new? Nothing, they are moving due to old developments on a new element base.
Now everything needs to be restored, but as you know, breaking is not building. Therefore, enormous efforts are required, resistance and criticism are terrible, but they must be broken.
The main thing in the activities of the scientific councils and the RAS is to preserve the collegiality of the decisions laid down by Lomonosov, and on the other hand, it should be understood that the administrators of the scientists are very bad. Any mixing of administrative and scientific functions will inevitably lead to corruption.. Indeed, real talented scientists as children are trusting and scattered, therefore often they are easily manipulated by enterprising criminal structures.

[Corsair5912]

The work “New shock therapy and“ Reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences ”prepared jointly with colleagues at the institute. The realities of Russian science ”he presented at the General Meeting of the Russian Academy of Sciences. In the monograph, the role and place of science in our life were presented integrally and volumetrically, it was told about the fate of scientific research in Russia, as well as about finding a way out of the impasse. The fact that we were in it, it seems, no one has any doubts.

Since the times of Khrushchev, in the USSR, skaters poured into science, who were not interested in science, but what could be obtained with advanced degrees.
In fact, as the Stalinist cadres were eliminated, the effectiveness of all branches of science began to decline.
The end of the 80s and 90s is the mass baking of fake candidates and doctors of sciences, who have nothing to do with science, this is the era of "academicians" Sobchaks.
Therefore, it is now very difficult to figure out who is who, where the scientists end and the skins begin.
Give science as in the Stalinist USSR !!!

[Betahon]

It's a pity that the Russian Academy of Sciences did not develop a weapon against the dull brains of bureaucrats who destroy science and culture! .... Most likely, experiments were carried out on "effective managers", but ... there was nothing to influence in the cerebral part of the skull ....

[qube4]

And it seems that everything is going well in our country, but for some reason there is no faith in a bright future ...

[stranik72]

Here "like" is a characteristic of ours today. As for science, it’s too late to reform it, it needs to be created, but for this purpose, bear-paths and K are not suitable.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Corsair5912

Since the times of Khrushchev, in the USSR, skaters poured into science, who were not interested in science, but what could be obtained with advanced degrees.

I basically agree, although the exceptions to this rule are well known.

Quote: Corsair5912

In fact, as the Stalinist cadres were eliminated, the effectiveness of all branches of science began to decline.

Rather, with the beginning of the thaw, in connection with stupid questions about physicists and lyricists, with the general craze of society for books and concerts ... for many instead of interest in the assigned business ... and the ban on Stalinist cadres to punish lazy people and idle breaches who did not fulfill their obligations.

Quote: Corsair5912

The end of the 80s and 90s is the mass baking of fake candidates and doctors of sciences, who have nothing to do with science, this is the era of "academicians" Sobchaks.

Sobchak is mentioned here in vain, as far as I know, he received his diplomas during the period of Soviet stability.
And the 1980s, if they were to blame, it was just that. that the 1990s did not foresee scientifically.

Quote: Corsair5912

Therefore, it is now very difficult to figure out who is who, where the scientists end and the skins begin.

Specialists know specialists, they would ask ...

Quote: Corsair5912

Give science as in the Stalinist USSR !!!

I want to agree ...
But ...
Today, scientific problems have changed. In fact, today every engineer who creates something must also be a scientist, or rather, an engineer must profess a scientific approach.

[Chuvash]

Quote: qube4

And it seems that everything is going well in our country, but for some reason there is no faith in a bright future ...

contradict yourself: if there is no faith, then this is because everything is going badly ..
the right people - yes the right places to put, and everything will begin to move, move!

[30143]

One acquaintance said well: "Science is business. He was spoken about (any interpretation of words)." When they pay, as in the West, then there will be a return!

[Chuvash]

Quote: 30143

"Science is business. He was ... slept about (any interpretation of words)." When they pay, as in the West, then there will be a return!

in the USSR, science was not a business, and so it wasn’t your way? your acquaintance said not well, confused science with other things.