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Sergey Rogov: “The sword of Damocles hangs over our science”

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Sergey Rogov: “The sword of Damocles hangs over our science”Like all academicians, Sergei Mikhailovich did not go on vacation in the summer. It was necessary to prepare a thorough and convincing research that would show the role of the Russian Academy of Sciences in modern Russia, and would save both the authorities and the scientists themselves from the many illusions that prevail in society.


The work “New shock therapy and“ Reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences ”prepared jointly with colleagues at the institute. The realities of Russian science ”he presented at the General Meeting of the Russian Academy of Sciences. In the monograph, the role and place of science in our life were presented integrally and volumetrically, it was told about the fate of scientific research in Russia, as well as about finding a way out of the impasse. The fact that we were in it, it seems, no one has any doubts.

Have you heard the opinion of the famous scientist "at the very top"? At first it seemed to me that this would happen, but the study of Academician Rogov, as well as other recommendations coming from the Russian Academy of Sciences, was not only not heeded, but did not even get to know them!

I asked Sergei Mikhailovich at the meeting about the reaction that followed after sending his work to all the “instances”. He answered shortly:

- Silence. It is unprofitable for them to discuss this ...

It is a pity, because it is impossible to make decisions about the fate of science and the Russian Academy of Sciences, not knowing and not understanding what is happening with them and around them.

- Your overall assessment of the situation - what is it?

- The Russian Academy of Sciences in the past century has repeatedly faced enormous difficulties, but it held out and provided a foundation for our future. Despite beggarly financing, the RAS is the most effective sector of Russian science in terms of the number of scientific publications, not to mention their quality. But today we face the real threat of the final destruction of basic science, as happened with applied science in Russia in 1990 ...

It is planned to create a super-bureaucratic model of management of Russian fundamental science and its financing. Officials will have the unlimited right to establish, reorganize and liquidate scientific organizations and appoint their leaders. The age-old tradition of the democratic self-government of the scientific community will be destroyed.

It is planned to change the role of the scientific institutions themselves, turning them into a kind of “supporting platform” for temporary scientific groups. The key object of funding in the new model will be the “scientific laboratory of groups of scientists” with a significant reduction in the share (less than 50 percent) of the estimated funding of organizations. The official pseudo-reform will lead to the elimination of the existing scientific infrastructure and the destruction of existing scientific schools. There will be a massive reduction of scientific organizations and the dismissal of scientists. The communities of scientists by branches of the RAS department will also be destroyed, which will lead to the fragmentation of the scientific community.

“But how to get rid of institutions and institutions that really work poorly — do we not have such?”

- On this account, a masterpiece of bureaucratic thinking is proposed, which, it seems, formed the basis of the draft law on the reform of the RAS.

“The created interdepartmental commission is empowered to determine the minimum values ​​of the performance indicators for classifying organizations in the first, second and third classes by reference groups.” The first category is the leaders, and it is proposed to add to the criteria defining this group that the performance indicators of a scientific organization “with respect to organizations in similar reference groups are more than 25% higher than the average”. The second category includes “stable scientific organizations that demonstrate satisfactory performance.” The third category includes “scientific organizations that have lost their scientific profile and development prospects” and, according to the draft decree, the performance indicators of which “are relative to organizations in similar reference groups by more than 25% below the average”. Proposals are submitted to the interagency commission for approval.

At the same time, there is no real increase in research funding. The financial and economic rationale says nothing about the multibillion-dollar cost of creating and operating a huge new bureaucratic structure - the Agency for Scientific Institutions of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Meanwhile, according to the estimates of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the creation of the Agency will cost approximately 60 billion rubles, which is equal to the annual budget of the Academy of Sciences.

- In the past two decades, the number of officials in the country has increased several times, many new organizations, firms and foundations have appeared. Even graduates with higher education diplomas have become ten times more than it was in the entire Soviet Union. The bureaucratic apparatus grew rapidly. Has this All-Russian process touched the Academy of Sciences?

- Throughout this time, there has been a process of de-modernization and de-intellectualization of Russia. The USSR in terms of domestic spending on R & D, which reached about 5% of GDP, was among the world leaders. The country had a powerful system of basic and applied research, in which almost 1,5 million researchers worked - about one quarter of all scientists in the world. Industry science was represented by approximately 5 by thousands of institutes and design bureaus, testing stations and was supervised by the relevant ministries. The concentration of enormous resources has made it possible to achieve a technological breakthrough in a number of branches of the military-industrial complex, including the nuclear and aerospace industries, instrument-making. Although during the Cold War, the scientific complex had a clear military-industrial bias (3 / 4 R & D expenditures were directly or indirectly defensive), and some areas of research were victims of ideological dogma, fundamental science and many branches of applied science in the Soviet Union world level.

The state of Russian science and education, starting with 1990-s and up to today, continue to be crisis. As a result of the “shock therapy”, most of the sectoral institutions, which were the main link between science and production and the main element of the innovation process in the country, ceased to exist. Applied science was destroyed when branch ministries disappeared.

For two decades, the number of research organizations in Russia has decreased by almost 20% (from 4555 to 3682), the number of industrial organizations having research and development and design departments - by 18% (from 340 to 280). The number of design offices decreased in 2,4 times (from 865 to 364) the number of design organizations - in 13 times (from 495 to 38).

It suffered heavy losses, but the Russian Academy of Sciences continues its work. However, the “Damocles Sword” of the same “shock therapy” imposed from above on the destructive reform imposed from above hangs over it.

- Comparison of what died and what was born - the unrestrained growth in the number of banks and other various financial institutions, offices, stock exchanges, buy-sell complexes, etc. - speaks for itself ...

- Disappear mainly engineering professions, technical specialties and all that is necessary for modern production and science. Employment in the science sector in Russia from 1992-2011 decreased in 2,5 times, and the number of researchers - almost 3 times. And the process of reduction continues. Today, many researchers are deprived of the expected career prospects and do not see a clear path of their professional and career growth. This causes the outflow of scientists abroad. According to the estimates of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, by the middle of the 2000s, more than 800 thousands of researchers had emigrated. Every year the country leaves up to 15% of university graduates. In addition to these traditional forms of “brain drain,” new ones have appeared, such as the “leak of ideas.” Many scientists living in Russia work according to scientific programs carried out in the interests of foreign customers. Thus, they “emigrate” without going abroad, and the results of their research belong to a foreign employer.

Russia fell back to 4-place in the world (after the United States, China and Japan) in the number of researchers.

The current situation poses a threat to Russia's national security. If you do not change the approach to science, then the primitive structure of the economy will be preserved, the country's scientific and technological gap will increase, the international competitiveness of domestic products will be further reduced and the status of the raw material appendage of world leaders will be humiliating for Russia.

Russia's share in the global export of high-tech products is 0,2%, including aerospace products - 0,6%, chemical products - 0,6 pharmaceutical products - 0,4%, scientific instruments - 0,3%, electronics - 0,1%, computers - 0,0%. Talking about the “energy superpower” is self-deception. It’s time to understand that in quantitative terms we will never be equal to the United States, China, the European Union and India ...

- Well, what about Skolkovo, Rosnano, Kurchatov Center, and other trendy entities that are proclaimed as “leaders of the innovative path of development of Russia” and who consume the lion's share of funds allocated to science?

- The idea that the Russian state spends too much on science (0,82% of GDP) does not correspond to reality. According to this indicator, Russia is far ahead of the United States, Germany, Finland, South Korea, Sweden and several others. The Russian Federation today spends on fundamental research a significantly smaller share of GDP than countries — the leaders of scientific and technological progress. We are lagging behind Switzerland by 4 times by this indicator, by France and USA by 3 times, by Japan by 4 times ...

- And yet: what about Skolkovo and the rest?

- In recent years, state budget spending on innovation has really increased. But they were mainly financed by Skolkovo, Rosnano, the Kurchatov Institute, megaprojects, industry projects, university science, and so on. There have been repeated attempts to create a "parallel Academy", that is, a massive allocation of budgetary funds for structures that enjoy financial and tax advantages from the state. However, these costs were unproductive and almost did not bring any visible results.
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  1. awg75
    awg75 28 September 2013 15: 53 New
    +3
    there is no self-government, all the more democratic in the scientific society. look around. upstairs are outright thieves and pseudo-scientists who share huge government money. It was high time, at least, to try to take away their economic functions from them.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 28 September 2013 16: 05 New
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      RAS is the most efficient sector of Russian science in terms of such an indicator as the number of scientific publications, not to mention their quality.


      Very optimistic - The Russian Science Citation Index is less than 2%.
      Reform is needed - the question is how will it be carried out, will the remnants be finished? what
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 28 September 2013 16: 15 New
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        And what was the school !!! Landau, Semenov, Basov, Artsimovich, Kapitsa, and many others ....
        1. avt
          avt 28 September 2013 17: 12 New
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          Quote: xetai9977
          And what was the school !!! Landau, Semenov, Basov, Artsimovich, Kapitsa, and many others ...

          Yeah. And the crisis manager, L.P. Beria. And characteristically, the result was even more than they invested. Even Khariton, in the conditions of the victory of democracy over totalitarianism, said that it was easier to work. Probably, this old age crept up. laughing
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 28 September 2013 19: 16 New
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          It all started with the collapse of the USSR. Science and education, health and army, culture and art. All this does not bring a quick income for the state. So, according to the laws of a market economy, funding should be reduced.
          Y Nazarbayev almost immediately destroyed the Academy. No money, that's all. But sending children to receive religious education was everywhere. And now we invite foreign teachers to work at VYZs and draw 3-4 times more to them than to domestic specialists. And they also started to conduct contests to finance applied research. On the one hand, it seems to be good, but a lot of "hack". And then min. form. declares that we are funding science at the highest level in the CIS and, on average, our students have almost 1 - 500 dollars. salaries. But they don’t write that it’s really maximum 2 cand. science and 000 doc. Naik (the average salary in Alma-Ata is $ 550. according to the statements of the authorities, but really somewhere around 800). And before that it is necessary to grow. So youth does not go to science, it is a fact.
          After the roar. 1917, the USSR almost became an outcast. Therefore, in order to educate our cadres, a decision was made, on the issue of the education system, to adopt the German reforms during their industrialization (19th century). And the slogans “To learn, to learn and to learn again”, “All for the party” and etc. . And she bore fruit. Before the collapse of the USSR, it came to the point that theoretical developments or developments would be enough for half a century ahead, but there was no money for practical (applied) use of them. It should be noted that under the USSR candidate. In the 70s, the science got 350 rubles. , and the average salary was about 100 ryb .. Feel the difference that is called. And all plagiarism was ruled out. By the way, we have recently been removed from office by the Minister of Education. In the media, we wrote that he was a doctor. dis. continuous plagiarism, and defended itself in Kyrgyzstan. Previously, this would not have come unequivocally.
          There are a lot of such things in science that are necessary for its development, but it does not give practical benefits (the so-called THEORY). So the government demands that science should give material returns, not understanding that for practice, there must first be theory, and this for the scientist is the number one problem.
          RUSSIA DOES NOT ADD THE MISTAKES THAT KAZAKHSTAN HAS DONE. This is a real diversion against our education. And this is done by the West in order to bring its values. This Balloon, European, syst. makes education of our children, sorry, but for other words it couldn’t be expressed.
          Maybe this koment y was not very intelligible, but I'm sorry. hi
          1. avt
            avt 28 September 2013 19: 33 New
            +7
            Quote: Kasym
            the slogans “To learn, to learn and to learn again”, “All for the party”, etc. were thrown.

            And most importantly, the principle was respected - ,, we must give such an amount of knowledge that every cook knows how to manage the state. "For a long time, the Democrats scoffed at this, and after all, there was also a lift that elevates talents for government.
            Quote: Kasym
            By the way, we have recently been removed from office by the Minister of Education. In the media, we wrote that he was a doctor. dis. continuous plagiarism, but defended in Kyrgyzstan

            Livanov was the same deputy, recently resigned, to a new job.
            Quote: Kasym
            RUSSIA DOES NOT ADD THE MISTAKES THAT KAZAKHSTAN HAS DONE. This is a real diversion against our education. And this is done by the West in order to bring its values. This Balloon, European, syst. makes education of our children, sorry, but for other words it couldn’t be expressed.

            request Alas, we have been living according to Fursenko’s precepts for a long time - we give birth to consumers, the current “elite” do not need thinkers, they are building a clan society with a mixture of caste. society, the class struggle intensifies.
          2. avt
            avt 28 September 2013 20: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Kasym
            . In the media, we wrote that he was a doctor. dis. continuous plagiarism, and defended itself in Kyrgyzstan. Previously, this would not have come unequivocally.

            I forgot to add that our accomplice Livanova got her “scientific papers” through the Kazakh branch of a Moscow institution, so they already debugged their “union” of lovers of images of dead American presidents without any problems.
          3. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 29 September 2013 09: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Kasym
            It all started with the collapse of the USSR

            Very good comment, smart.
            But the matter is not only in science, RAS is just one of the institutions of the state. And in others things are no better than in the Russian Academy of Sciences (heavy industry, prosecutor's office, Ministry of Internal Affairs) the whole state is affected by corruption! Even a hedgehog understands that reform (I prefer the concept of cleaning) is necessary, but why doesn’t it reach everyone that those who brought our country to the modern state are taking reform?
            Trust the goat to watch cabbage!
            And one should not start from the RAS. It is necessary to clean the whole country and start from above!
        3. Djozz
          Djozz 28 September 2013 20: 31 New
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          Current does not need Landau!
        4. dmitrich
          dmitrich 29 September 2013 07: 13 New
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          then Stalin was alive.
      2. 30143
        30143 29 September 2013 22: 30 New
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        Have you heard anything about state secrets? In Ukraine, they just took it and laid it out. Even now they don’t need to translate. Citation Index is a fiction, as are university rankings. The most important indicator, in my opinion, is the number of graduates employed by profession. Can you name me such EXTENSIONS? And then you will understand where in Kiev and Lviv Polytechnics and Shevchenko University will be.
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 28 September 2013 20: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: awg75
      It was high time, at least, to try to take away their economic functions from them.

      Gee! Serdyukov already took away "economic functions" from the military, but that only made it worse. Maybe stop reinventing the wheel? Everything worked somehow in the Union, however. And there are already many more officials in the Russian Federation, which is smaller than the USSR. And in the world the role of the Russian Federation is reduced to the plinth. Let's ruin everything further. Crazy and rampant.
    3. vvvvv
      vvvvv 29 September 2013 00: 11 New
      +9
      Plus, since not so long ago I talked on a similar topic with one smart and active person who writes a dissertation and occupies a high position in some places. I had the illusion that, in the aggregate of all this, he managed to advance in Russia in his sphere some latest scientific developments, etc., but I was disappointed ... Even the status and intellectual capabilities do not allow something to break through the current system - a real swamp of indifference, opportunism and mediocrity. All spheres in Russia are sabotaged by parasites that bite into their seats - pseudo-scientists and other figures who, in fact, are only careerists and lovers of a good place and a haircut of dough. they will not let close active and sensible people who can supplant these mediocrity and corrupt officials. Here we are all surprised that the state is making attempts to really change something in some area, is investing, but there is no exhaust! That is the reason. One can only judge by real results in science or industry. Only in Russia I do not see an active and involving mass of people in science or the production of activity of someone. The same universities stupidly row loot, formalizing the educational process, and they do not care about the future fate of the graduate. There is no further connection between the graduate and science, and production. All exclusively acquaintances - holders of red diplomas of universities - are officially unemployed and do not work in their specialty, but use their minds purely in making money. I must admit that I'm one of those. But, not in his own will, but it happened. After all, as I said above, then nobody needs graduates. And I’m sure that a great innovator would come out of me, or maybe a designer or a technologist, etc. And after all, I always had a desire and interest in this. And for years I’ve been doing work for thousands of students who don’t want to do this themselves, doing only harm ... And huge skills have been accumulated, and in total hundreds of higher educations have been obtained, but anyway, nobody cared and will not . I used to make attempts to get a job somewhere, but nobody was interested in my abilities. Usually, questions went on the move, like where did I find out that there was a vacancy ... Or there were offers "from the bulldozer" to some kind of baseboard place. Complete stupidity reigns everywhere. And I do not see a way out of all this. No one will give up their familiar place to a more capable and sensible one, for such is the established hierarchy of interaction and ties. In Soviet times, professional qualities played a greater role, and today nepotism plays a role, etc. pieces. So, briefly ...
      Russia fell back to 4-place in the world (after the United States, China and Japan) in the number of researchers.

      What kind of researchers are here. A friend in Soviet times was counting shells for missiles at the Miass factory, he was the beginning. department, and today is engaged in tutoring and solves problems for students ... Shame! After all, such a person will not be able to offer a salary of 50-100 rubles. at the factory, and as much as he prefers to earn while sitting at home, smoking and drinking coffee. D.B.
  2. serka3
    serka3 28 September 2013 16: 06 New
    +7
    Morons and traitors rule ... I think they have a little left!
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 28 September 2013 21: 04 New
      +9
      Quote: serka3
      Morons and traitors rule ... I think they have a little left!

      I think we have not long left. Traitors will live.
  3. cumastra1
    cumastra1 28 September 2013 16: 15 New
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    I know how the scientific community works. I know from the inside. This is a kind of slavery. When the fruits of the labors of lower-level workers are appropriated by those who are higher. There are a lot of troubles there. And bribe takers, and nepotism, and commonplace theft, promoting one's own people and hushing up strangers. I don’t know what, but something needs to be done with science. It may not be so radical, but the tail, or rather the "head" must be pressed.
    1. I am
      I am 28 September 2013 21: 10 New
      +4
      Well, am I doing science at SSTU? You think for 10 thousand I open a lot? If I have to earn extra money on the side to .... (well, a lot of things a girl needs).
      Honestly, it is not a matter of reform, but a methodical, for 20 years, driving of science into the non-prestigious sector.
  4. bomg.77
    bomg.77 28 September 2013 16: 16 New
    +1
    They tore the false scientists away from the feeding trough and for panic. For 20 years, not a single more or less worthwhile discovery, only renting the room is all the achievements. They self-credited themselves. They didn’t do anything, they gave money, they don’t do anything again.
    1. I am
      I am 28 September 2013 21: 12 New
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      They gave about, yes, only they didn’t reach the bottom. And here you are right. Need to do something. And about false scientists, well, not all of them are like that, although the majority, and this is true.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 28 September 2013 22: 10 New
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        Quote: I am
        And about false scientists, well, not all of them are like that, although the majority, and this is true
        I don’t agree, but where do they do what they have achieved, we evaluate it by achievements and discoveries, and not by their ability to solve crosswords and speak smartly. Pelerman without any state funding proved Poincare’s theorem and this is the only thing that can be remembered, but before that he was fired from the institute, probably people are working even smarter at this institute))).
  5. My doctor
    My doctor 28 September 2013 16: 41 New
    +1
    He is the director of the Institute of USA and Canada, he has something to lose.
  6. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 28 September 2013 16: 49 New
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    The sword of Damocles no longer hangs; he fell. Science begins with education. What is happening there, no need to remind. The death of production led to the death of applied science. The offices for trading in bioadditives, stretch ceilings, etc., which have expanded in the institute’s premises, do not remind of anything? Shopping and entertainment in the buildings of former enterprises from the same opera. Well, the reform of the RAS puts an end to the protracted process. Welcome to the friendly ranks of the third world countries, dear Russians.
  7. Airman
    Airman 28 September 2013 17: 10 New
    +8
    Show me the NEW equipment or weapons created after 1991? ALL. what has been created is the MODERNIZATION of Soviet models. And without science, fundamental and applied, you cannot create a NEW WEAPON. Therefore, science and defense are interconnected, and if we do not have advanced scientific potential, then there will be no modern armed forces.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 28 September 2013 20: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Povshnik
      Show me the NEW equipment or weapons created after 1991


      Something but PAK FA doesn’t climb anything into the head. But how many weapons were sold and strangled by some field generators, which cost and part N 10003 eh sellers ....
    2. I am
      I am 28 September 2013 21: 14 New
      +2
      Yes. that’s for sure, only interested production needs to be added to science. And then you come to the factory to do experiments, and they look like a fool, which is stashed, we all know without you, go and cook soup. And drive the echelons of marriage.
  8. Colonelic
    Colonelic 28 September 2013 17: 22 New
    +3
    The problem of comprehensive reform a complex system of conducting fundamental scientific research, applied work (industry institutes, R&D, etc.) and putting the obtained scientific results into practice is by no means new!
    Including, this problem existed and the USSR ...
    The whole question is how to solve this difficult problem.without prejudice to the accumulated scientific potential of the country, developed over many years by advanced scientific schools and organizations, including in the military-industrial complex, the system of technical and humanitarian education, which, as you know, were among the best in the world!
    The mediocre and frankly destructive "reforms" carried out by the post-Soviet semi-literate and corrupt "elite" over the past decades have caused tremendous and irreparable damage in this area ...
    And not only in this area!
    Otherwise, as liberal wrecking in the country liberal "reforms" can not be called wrecking!
    Whatever "good" wishes they did not hide behind ...
    Does nobody really notice this?
    1. varov14
      varov14 28 September 2013 19: 26 New
      +2
      So for this, grants and various bonuses and preferences from the West, but you can’t forbid a good life, the hunter’s greens, and the households in the west are attached.
    2. Airman
      Airman 28 September 2013 21: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Colonelic
      The problem of comprehensive reform a complex system of conducting fundamental scientific research, applied work (industry institutes, R&D, etc.) and putting the obtained scientific results into practice is by no means new!
      Including, this problem existed and the USSR ...
      The whole question is how to solve this difficult problem.without prejudice to the accumulated scientific potential of the country, developed over many years by advanced scientific schools and organizations, including in the military-industrial complex, the system of technical and humanitarian education, which, as you know, were among the best in the world!
      The mediocre and frankly destructive "reforms" carried out by the post-Soviet semi-literate and corrupt "elite" over the past decades have caused tremendous and irreparable damage in this area ...
      And not only in this area!
      Otherwise, as liberal wrecking in the country liberal "reforms" can not be called wrecking!
      Whatever "good" wishes they did not hide behind ...
      Does nobody really notice this?

      ALL sensible people notice (they just don’t notice ... and slabbers, and if they notice, they should be our one), but any criticism of the government is perceived by the government as anti-state activity, and is punishable strictly by law. ANY speech of the people is interpreted as an unauthorized rally, and is severely suppressed.
  9. PValery53
    PValery53 28 September 2013 17: 32 New
    0
    Execute pseudo-reformers !! (There is some truth in this joke) - I had in mind - "to clean out the wedge!"
    1. alone
      alone 28 September 2013 17: 44 New
      +1
      you can’t clean it with a broom anymore, they sit very tight. You have to push the excavator out
      1. Airman
        Airman 28 September 2013 21: 04 New
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        Quote: lonely
        you can’t clean it with a broom anymore, they sit very tight. You have to push the excavator out

        The excavator will not help, you need explosives, so that they would not have returned.
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 28 September 2013 20: 38 New
      0
      Quote: PValery53
      "scrub wed with a broom!"

      Where do we start - with voters or whom did they choose laughing
      1. I am
        I am 28 September 2013 21: 17 New
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        Do not confuse sour with fresh.
    3. I am
      I am 28 September 2013 21: 16 New
      0
      I join, and even agree to participate
  10. IGS
    IGS 28 September 2013 18: 10 New
    +6
    Why such a scream? Scientists should be engaged in science, and not cutting the allocated dough. Maybe there’s a cry also because the great "pundits" will lose the lever of pressure on young, impoverished scientists, whose work they regularly assign, and simply give up? There is a good example with outstanding results: Beria, as a manager, and scientists. Now all our scientific journals (and this is a citation index) are owned by Americans, and this is with the good will of academics. In the hands of the Americans there is much more, for example, the exclusive right to export museum exhibits for exhibitions abroad and to estimate the loss, if any .... From the state money for 5000 apartments for young scientists (which in fact infuriated DAM), there were purchased for young scientists and provided apartments a little more than 300, the rest of the grandmother insolent for 4,5 THOUSAND apartments .... Many scientists agree with the reform, just can’t say, otherwise everything can be put an end to their research, they are just slaves, here they are shouting that they are against. Tired of this nonsense, worse than it will not be now. Let them be engaged in science, if you have not forgotten how to do it yet, otherwise there is no money, if you would have seen the mansions of these "academicians", not a single Nobel laureate lives like this.
    1. I am
      I am 28 September 2013 21: 18 New
      +2
      Mansions, yes. Who is there about the explosives recalled. I put forward my work twice on a presidential grant and the recommendation of the Higher Attestation Commission was, and nefig, nobody needs real development, at least do something.
  11. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 28 September 2013 18: 12 New
    +3
    The reform of the RAS has a destructive essence.
    In Russia, for every ministry there is a minister who wants to turn around.
    Some ministries are subordinate to the president (security officials), others to the government.

    In addition, in the ministry itself, in addition to the minister, there are many more officials (heads of departments, services and agencies). I suppose that the goal of the Minister of Education Livanov and his associates in the apparatus, who came under external influence, is the destruction of the Russian Academy of Sciences and education in Russia.
  12. varov14
    varov14 28 September 2013 19: 16 New
    +2
    The more the country is computerized, the larger the bureaucratic apparatus. Maybe it's time to introduce clay tablets and cuneiform writing, with a bad head, and with crooked hands to keep ceasing in the civil service.
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  14. limon
    limon 28 September 2013 20: 18 New
    +1
    From experience, not one reform has not brought real benefits. Modern reforms are one of the ways to destroy Russia.
  15. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 September 2013 20: 20 New
    0
    Scientists should not bother with the economy of the Academy of Sciences, they have another task to move science forward. But there is doubt that scientists will run naked if the “Russian managers” seize all the property. Then, goodbye science. Oh, I feel the nail of Russian science ...
  16. Theophanes
    Theophanes 28 September 2013 20: 59 New
    0
    The worst thing is that the reform of the Academy of Sciences is carried out by the same half-educators and reformers like the frank Gesldovtapov Gaidar (remember how he sputtered and called for the White House defenders to hang up) and the followers and Chubais — Shuvalov, Medvedev and other privatizers. It has been clear for a long time if the reformatory itch means someone wants to cut down the loot and fill their own pocket with folk money. Faith neither the government nor the United Russia has been around for a long time !!!! Medvedev and all his shoblu leave the country !!!! Dirty hands off the Great Academy of Sciences !!!!!
  17. klavyr
    klavyr 28 September 2013 21: 12 New
    0
    Opinion: it is necessary to weed out the seeds from the chaff; but not only in the Russian Academy of Sciences, but free frames must be distributed
  18. marat1000
    marat1000 28 September 2013 21: 43 New
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    Bring everyone fellow And I know how to improve the country's science and ikanomics! It’s necessary to beat Grusia with an empty wall, we will all be afraid and we will be able to borrow a lot of money and live in a public debt like the United States, we will become rich and happy. MArat is 6 years old.
  19. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 September 2013 22: 08 New
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    As soon as some "servant" of the people decided to reorganize something somewhere - to "improve", then wait for the complete collapse in the "field" of the activities of this "wise guy." He spits on the opinions of people who are more versed in a particular issue, he doesn’t have the authority of the people who really own the issue, he does not even doubt his EXCLUSIVITY. People, stupidly promoting their idiotic reforms - either primitive in nature, or work out the ORDER of "partners" from the USA and GIROPA.
  20. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 28 September 2013 22: 58 New
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    Quote: awg75
    there is no self-government, all the more democratic in the scientific society. look around. upstairs are outright thieves and pseudo-scientists who share huge government money. It was high time, at least, to try to take away their economic functions from them.

    Do you think Medvedev and Putin are not thieves. They take other bigwigs from them, already from science. Who was Medvedev before the presidency - Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gazprom. Ask yourself a question, and he, who donated his income in Gazprom to some representative. Yes, they are all thieves! Therefore, Serdyukov is not sitting. He could be planted one episode on 1000 rubles. No, the investigation is pulling in order to drag out the process for decades, perhaps something will change. Yes, may they all, greedy for money and power, be damned forever and ever!
  21. Agent 008
    Agent 008 29 September 2013 00: 07 New
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    "The green oak at the seashore;
    The golden chain on the oak is that:
    Day and night, the SCIENTIST cat
    Everything goes around the chain ... "
    (so our "reformers" want scientists to put on a chain, even if it’s gold)
    "There King Kashchei over gold (financing) languishes
    There the Russian spirit ... It smells of Rus there "(A.C. Pushkin)
  22. yurii p
    yurii p 29 September 2013 00: 30 New
    +1
    what kind of sword, the guillotine has lowered, while others do not see, correctly vision and brains are lost with the head.
  23. yurii p
    yurii p 29 September 2013 00: 36 New
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    and actually when there are no brains, it doesn’t matter what to chop off a member, ass, head or hair to shave on the legs there will be one result.
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 September 2013 00: 44 New
    +1
    Science must be given real tasks. Then it will be in demand. And without setting goals, government spending begins to satisfy one's own curiosity. Which leads to the degradation of scientific thinking. Only tasks should be posed by sensible people, and we have nothing to do with it.
  25. VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 September 2013 04: 50 New
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    Too many academics care not about scientific work, but about economic activity. That is why the Nobel Prizes are awarded to "young Russian scientists" who work in the USA and Europe, and not to academicians of the RAS!
    To bend science, academicians-business executives began in the Brezhnev period.
    I remember, back in Soviet times, in the newspaper “Socialist Industry” there was an article about a rationalization proposal for a trench tool - a bayonet shovel with longitudinal slots, which made it possible to reduce the applied force when using it, with all the ensuing results. Several institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences and laboratories were involved in the scientific substantiation and conclusion! They laughed, were indignant and stopped there.
    Let scientists do science, but business executives and pseudoscientists, in the form of academician Lysenko, must be driven to the neck.
  26. Combitor
    Combitor 29 September 2013 07: 38 New
    +1
    Skolkovo and Rusnano are so fond of the current regime because of the budget money allocated for these projects, it’s “dripping” and is not cheap in the pockets of government officials. And what can be fucked by academics? The authorities sought, sought and found. A tidbit turned out to be real estate. She will be taken away from the academicians and given to some urgent agency, the next agency (how many are there already?). It remains only to find out the name of the one who will be the head of this agency. without a doubt, this will be someone from Putin’s inner circle (friends, relatives, classmates, "comrades-in-arms" around Petersburg), in general, an individual close to the body of the emperor.
    All this fuss of Putinoids and their Fuhrer around the RAS reminded me of one work:
    <- It is known, - Schwonder answered, - but the general meeting, having examined your question, has come to the conclusion that by and large you occupy an excessive area. Absolutely excessive. You alone live in seven rooms.
    “I live and work alone in seven rooms,” answered Philippe Filippovich, “and I would like to have an eighth.” I need it for the library ...
    - I have a reception room - mind you - it’s the library, the dining room, my office - 3. The examination room - 4. The operating room - 5. My bedroom - 6 and the maid’s room - 7. In general, it’s not enough ... Yes, however, it doesn’t matter. My apartment is free, and the conversation is over ...
    “I apologize,” Schwonder interrupted, “it was about the dining room and the viewing room that we came to talk.” The general meeting asks you to voluntarily, in order of labor discipline, refuse the canteen. No one in Moscow has dining rooms ...
    “And from the viewing room,” continued Schwonder, “the viewing room can be perfectly connected to the office.”
    “Yeah,” said Philipp Philippovich in a strange voice, “and where should I eat?”
    “In the bedroom,” all four answered in unison ...
    “Eat in the bedroom,” he spoke in a slightly stifled voice, “read in the viewing room, dress in the reception room, operate the servants in the room, and inspect the dining room ... I will have lunch in the dining room, and operate in the operating room!” Pass this on to the general meeting and humbly ask you to return to your business, and give me the opportunity to take food where all normal people eat it, that is, in the dining room, and not in the front and not in the nursery.>
    1. IGS
      IGS 30 September 2013 01: 55 New
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      That is, some thieves will take away from others, right? Then how does this concern us? Or are the "academics" poor and poor, with apartments of 600 square meters? What does this have to do with scientists? If reagents do not have to be bought by ourselves, then we can assume that the reform was a success. Everything else is from the evil one. Ordinary employees have nothing from this real estate, as well as their research, as well as science itself. And then they varied, they drive from the feeder.
  27. Koronik
    Koronik 29 September 2013 08: 11 New
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    "Despite the miserable financing." DEAR SIRS, scientists, but funding was beggarly in both healthcare and education, this did not destroy Russia. Why are you so scaring us with the consequences of the reform. Which is really long overdue in the Russian Academy of Sciences. Scientists should be engaged in science, medical treatment, teachers, education. And there is no need to politicize the situation. And the officials and bribe takers of which you "describe" in the Russian Academy of Sciences more than anywhere else.
  28. scientist
    scientist 29 September 2013 10: 06 New
    +1
    I do not want to go into details and give obvious facts. But the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the relationship of the entire Russian scientific community is long overdue. It just can't get any worse! Therefore, it’s pointless to argue about the ways of reform, nit’s necessary to start, and in the course of reforms to analyze the results and adjust the vector.
    Over the past 10-15 years, we have lost 80% of our scientific potential. Priceless science schools were lost, many of which are now working for the Western economy and defense. For example, my supervisor was invited to NASA to deal with missile defense issues, by the beginning of 2000 there. 80% of scientific posts are occupied by immigrants from the Union. True, instead of NASA, he went to work in the Russian unit of the UN peacekeeping mission and I am very glad that he did not leave for the United States at all, but this fact speaks volumes.
    And what is going on in civil science, surviving through foreign grants, is generally beyond comment. Lomonosov would have committed suicide if he knew what the RAS had brought to.
    That is why in the past 10 years, the United States and Israel have made such a leap in missile defense. As a result, now our missile defense research units are headed by ossified "eminent" scientists whose average age is 70 years. What can they offer new? Nothing, they are moving due to old developments on a new element base.
    Now everything needs to be restored, but as you know, breaking is not building. Therefore, enormous efforts are required, resistance and criticism are terrible, but they must be broken.
    The main thing in the activities of the scientific councils and the RAS is to preserve the collegiality of the decisions laid down by Lomonosov, and on the other hand, it should be understood that the administrators of the scientists are very bad. Any mixing of administrative and scientific functions will inevitably lead to corruption.. Indeed, real talented scientists as children are trusting and scattered, therefore often they are easily manipulated by enterprising criminal structures.
  29. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 29 September 2013 10: 19 New
    +3
    The work “New shock therapy and“ Reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences ”prepared jointly with colleagues at the institute. The realities of Russian science ”he presented at the General Meeting of the Russian Academy of Sciences. In the monograph, the role and place of science in our life were presented integrally and volumetrically, it was told about the fate of scientific research in Russia, as well as about finding a way out of the impasse. The fact that we were in it, it seems, no one has any doubts.

    Since the times of Khrushchev, in the USSR, skaters poured into science, who were not interested in science, but what could be obtained with advanced degrees.
    In fact, as the Stalinist cadres were eliminated, the effectiveness of all branches of science began to decline.
    The end of the 80s and 90s is a mass baking of fake candidates and doctors of science, who have nothing to do with science, this is the era of “academicians” of Sobchaks.
    Therefore, it is now very difficult to figure out who is who, where the scientists end and the skins begin.
    Give science as in the Stalinist USSR !!!
  30. Betahon
    Betahon 29 September 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    It’s a pity that the RAS did not develop weapons against the stupid brains of bureaucrats-destroyers of science and culture! .... Most likely, the experiments were carried out on "effective managers", but ... there was nothing to influence in the brain part of the skull ....
  31. qube4
    qube4 29 September 2013 11: 33 New
    +1
    And it seems that everything is going well in our country, but for some reason there is no faith in a bright future ...
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 29 September 2013 11: 46 New
      +1
      Here "like" is a characteristic of ours today. And as for science, it’s too late to reform it, you need to create it, but for this purpose the bear paths and K are not suitable.
  32. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 29 September 2013 22: 19 New
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    Quote: Corsair5912
    Since the times of Khrushchev, in the USSR, skaters poured into science, who were not interested in science, but what could be obtained with advanced degrees.

    I basically agree, although the exceptions to this rule are well known.
    Quote: Corsair5912
    In fact, as the Stalinist cadres were eliminated, the effectiveness of all branches of science began to decline.

    Rather, with the beginning of the thaw, in connection with stupid questions about physicists and lyricists, with the general craze of society for books and concerts ... for many instead of interest in the assigned business ... and the ban on Stalinist cadres to punish lazy people and idle breaches who did not fulfill their obligations.
    Quote: Corsair5912
    The end of the 80s and 90s is a mass baking of fake candidates and doctors of science, who have nothing to do with science, this is the era of “academicians” of Sobchaks.

    Sobchak is mentioned here in vain, as far as I know, he received his diplomas during the period of Soviet stability.
    And the 1980s, if they were to blame, it was just that. that the 1990s did not foresee scientifically.
    Quote: Corsair5912
    Therefore, it is now very difficult to figure out who is who, where the scientists end and the skins begin.

    Specialists know specialists, they would ask ...
    Quote: Corsair5912
    Give science as in the Stalinist USSR !!!

    I want to agree ...
    But ...
    Today, scientific problems have changed. In fact, today every engineer who creates something must also be a scientist, or rather, an engineer must profess a scientific approach.
  33. Chuvash
    Chuvash 29 September 2013 22: 33 New
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    Quote: qube4
    And it seems that everything is going well in our country, but for some reason there is no faith in a bright future ...

    contradict yourself: if there is no faith, then this is because everything is going badly ..
    the right people - yes the right places to put, and everything will begin to move, move!
  34. 30143
    30143 29 September 2013 22: 33 New
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    One acquaintance said well: "Science is a business. He was ... slept (any interpretation of words)." When they pay, as in the West, then there will be returns!
  35. Chuvash
    Chuvash 29 September 2013 22: 39 New
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    Quote: 30143
    "Science is business. It was ... slept (any interpretation of words)." When they pay, as in the West, then there will be returns!

    in the USSR, science was not a business, and so it wasn’t your way? your acquaintance said not well, confused science with other things.