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Nat candy for TbilisiThe units of the Georgian armed forces will be part of the NATO Rapid Reaction Force since 2015, the country's defense minister Irakli Alasania told 16 on September. According to him, the decision of the North Atlantic Alliance was made three weeks ago, and this is "the highest recognition of the Georgian armed forces." From the point of view of the chief editor of the National Defense magazine Igor Korotchenko, a closer relationship between Georgia and NATO in the form of its participation in the bloc’s rapid reaction forces may have a rather negative effect on the entire region. “First, Georgia is an aggressor country, which still does not recognize such responsibility. Secondly, this may lead to Georgia becoming a springboard for US actions in the region, ”Igor REGotum quoted Igor Korotchenko as saying.


DEMOCRACY ON NATOVSKI

As is known, the decision to deploy the NATO Rapid Reaction Force was taken in Brussels at a meeting of the 28 defense ministers of the countries - members of the alliance, held on February 21 – 22. Their creation was provided for in the “Chicago defense package”, adopted last May at the NATO summit, and involving two initiatives: “smart defense” and “united forces”. The central element of the second initiative of the Chicago Defense Package, called the "united forces", was precisely the creation of the NATO Rapid Reaction Force, which will be in constant readiness.

According to the secretary general of the alliance Anders Fogh Rasmussen, these forces, formed from components of the ground forces, air force and navy of the countries - members of the block, will receive priority funding, they will constantly train, become "a school of cooperation and at the same time a tool for rapid response." As you can see, the Rapid Reaction Force will be the most important component of the Alliance OAS, which are created on the basis of Art. 3 North Atlantic Treaty. This article defines that “in the interests of more effectively implementing the objectives of this Treaty, the Contracting Parties, separately and jointly ... will maintain and increase their individual and collective capacity to fight an armed attack”. Thus, in order for units of the Georgian Armed Forces to become part of the NATO Rapid Reaction Force since 2015, the country must be admitted to the alliance. Otherwise, there will be a violation of the North Atlantic Treaty.

Naturally, Georgia will become or not a member of NATO, the leadership of the alliance will decide on the basis of this Treaty. For example, at the end of May, Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos announced: in June, the country's Defense Ministry and NATO will sign an agreement on the exchange of classified information, which will allow "to begin the process of rapprochement and cooperation with a further goal to join Colombia into the alliance." Colombian neighbors in Latin America reacted very negatively to its NATO ambitions. However, in NATO, these concerns were quickly removed. As a source in the alliance explained to the Kommersant newspaper, talk of Colombia’s potential membership is meaningless, since the 10 article of the North Atlantic Treaty, signed in Washington in 1949, states: “any European state capable of contributing to the security of the region can join NATO ". The alliance explains: to begin with, at least theoretical talk about the expansion of NATO beyond Europe and North America, it is necessary to change the basic document - the Washington Treaty of 1949. However, some changes to this contract have already been made. As you know, NATO in 1952 disregarded the 10 article of the Treaty and accepted Turkey, which is located in Asia, into the alliance. In this regard, an addendum was made to Article 6 of the Treaty, clearly stating this fact: “For the purpose of Article 5, it is considered that an armed attack on one or more Contracting Parties includes an armed attack: on the territory of any of the Contracting Parties in Europe or North America, the territory of Turkey ... (highlighted the addition made. - Auth.). "

In addition, Turkey’s admission to NATO led to a violation of another international legal instrument. The fact is that military-political alliances operate on the basis of the UN Charter, in which Article 51 speaks of the right of each state to collective self-defense. In particular, in the North Atlantic Treaty, Article 5 contains a reference to this provision of the UN Charter. How this right every state can realize is determined by its article 52. It provides for the possibility of existence for these purposes only “regional agreements or bodies for resolving such issues relating to the maintenance of international peace and security that are suitable for regional actions ...”, that is, the possibility of creating a global union is excluded. Since the concept of "region" can not cover the entire globe or most of its continents. Therefore, in the North Atlantic Treaty, the region includes Europe, the North Atlantic Ocean and North America, and article 10 determines that only European states can be members of the alliance in the future, and thus the requirement of Article 52 of the UN Charter was met.

Today, the same picture is observed with the possible accession of Georgia to NATO, as in the atlas “All countries and territories of the world. The New CIA Geographical Reference Book ”(The World Factboor 2007, USA) states that Georgia is geographically located in South-West Asia. It seems that the current ideologues of Georgia’s accession to the alliance adhere to the Soviet interpretation of the geographical border between Asia and Europe, when it was considered to be considered in the Transcaucasus to coincide with the Soviet-Turkish border. Thus, Georgia’s accession to NATO would also mean a violation of Article 10 of the North Atlantic Treaty, and most importantly, the UN Charter. The constant assertion in NATO circles that the expansion of NATO automatically means the expansion of a democratic space in Europe has already become a dogma. Meanwhile, one of the principles of a democratic political regime states that "everything is permitted, except as prohibited by law." The question arises: how can we expand the democratic space in Europe, violating international legal acts?

MOST DISCOVERED

It seems that the desire to make a fighter for democracy from NATO also explains the nature of the requirements for a future member of the alliance. In particular, 26 June at a press conference during his visit to Tbilisi, Rasmussen noted that “the complete Euro-Atlantic integration of Georgia is our common goal. If Georgia satisfies the necessary requirements, it will definitely become a member of NATO. ” What are these requirements, the Secretary General of the Alliance told in Tbilisi back in 2011 year. First of all, according to Rasmussen, it is necessary to improve the electoral reform. Secondly, the “rule of law” must be strengthened. And thirdly, as a result, it is necessary “to continue judicial reform and connect the civil sector to these processes”. How successful Georgia has been in carrying out these reforms under the leadership of President Saakashvili and NATO patronage, Prime Minister Bidzina Ivanishvili said in a recent interview with the Israeli newspaper Sof Shavua: He is talented, he deceived the whole world ... He appeared as a democrat. Everyone supported him, but then they guessed that he was building an authoritarian regime ... "

Apparently, it is for this reason that the NATO Secretary General did not speak in Tbilisi about the most important requirement for any candidate member of the alliance - the absence of unresolved territorial problems. This was not mentioned either in the 2011 year or later. That's when at the Bucharest NATO summit in the spring of 2008, Georgia was promised to be admitted to the alliance, then there, apparently, it was a question of the need to solve problems with Abkhazia and South Ossetia. As a result, this conversation pushed Mikhail Saakashvili, as an ambitious and authoritarian leader, to force South Ossetia to return to the Georgian jurisdiction in August 2008. Doug Bandow, former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan, is now a researcher at the American Conservative Alliance for Defense Policy Analytical Center, in the article “Electoral shock in Georgia: Tbilisi, time to get rid of NATO aspirations” published in Forbes in October 2012. , he wrote: “The biggest failure of Saakashvili’s foreign policy was the beginning of the war with Russia in 2008, in which he was defeated. Just as Georgia left the Soviet Union in its time, Abkhazia and South Ossetia separated from the Georgian state, and not without the help of Moscow. However, these republics had the same right to independence as Georgia, when it was separated from the USSR. Alas, Saakashvili believed that the right to self-determination extended only to his people, and invaded South Ossetia, despite the presence of Russian troops there (the Russian peacekeeping contingent. - Auth.). ”

It is possible that they are waiting in the North Atlantic alliance when the Georgian leadership finally realizes that the people of Abkhazia and South Ossetia do not want to live as part of Georgia and even NATO will not force them to do so. So, sooner or later, Georgia will have to recognize the state sovereignty of these republics. That is, the alliance seems to have decided to act on the principle of “resolve itself” and only then decide on the issue of Georgia’s joining the bloc. Moreover, the experience of Kosovo, which gained independence from Serbia thanks to NATO, is in full view. In the meantime, NATO officials are postponing this process, putting forward various demands on Georgia, the fulfillment of which takes years. Otherwise, what happened on April 12 at The National Interest in the article “Dangerous Drift of Georgia Towards NATO”, may happen what Doug Bandou wrote about: “It is assumed that NATO should make America more secure. But the advance of NATO to the borders of Georgia will increase the likelihood of war. In the case of the beginning of hostilities of Tbilisi with Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Moscow could be drawn into them, and this will lead to a confrontation between NATO and Russia. As a result, war can begin, which the West has been able to avoid throughout the Cold War. Of course, it will be mostly the Americans who will fight - and this conflict has a dangerous chance of becoming a nuclear one, especially given the relatively weak non-nuclear forces of Russia. ”

And it’s not at all true that this scenario of a venerable specialist in international relations is fiction. Here is what former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice writes in her book “No Honor Above,” about the first meeting of the National Security Council after the start of the August 2008 war. “The meeting was rather stormy, there were many hot statements about Russia. At some point, Steve Hadley (National Security Advisor to the White House) intervened, which he rarely does. This happened in the midst of tumultuous talk about what the US could have threatened. “I want to ask a question,” he said in his usual restrained manner. “Are we ready to go to war with Russia because of Georgia?” There was silence in the room, we calmed down and started a more productive conversation about measures that could be taken, ”recalls Condoleezza Rice. I would like to hope that the correct conclusions were drawn from the situation described in the United States, the main ideologue of Georgia’s joining the alliance during the times of President George W. Bush. Although after it, nothing actually changed. This is confirmed by another NATO candy for Georgia in the form of a promise to include the units of the Georgian armed forces in the NATO Rapid Reaction Force in 2015.
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 28 September 2013 15: 35 New
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    will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force
    All the NATO forces have to be thrown to guard warehouses and the fleet. I don’t know in Europe what haemorrhoids await them wassat
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 28 September 2013 16: 29 New
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      Wow, the hell special forces will succeed! As the classic said: timid Georgians fled.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 28 September 2013 19: 26 New
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        Anecdote
        Attempted assassination of Saakashvili. The shooter missed. There is clutter, running around, checking posts, etc. It turns out that there is a gap in the Nth security sector. Who is responsible for the sector? Gogi! Where is he? No ... Killed? Stolen? Escaped? They look, they are walking as if nothing had happened, living Gogi, correcting their ammunition.
        -Gogi, why did you leave the post?
        - I went to the toilet.
        "What a toilet, your mom’s donkey sniffed! There was an attempt on the president!"
        -Wah! The commander ... I put on all this American uniform, a helmet, put everything else on, M-4 picked it up ... I decided to look in the mirror, how beautiful I am ... And as I saw it, it was already costly ... with fear! !!
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 29 September 2013 17: 31 New
          +1
          The shortest joke:
          Georgian warrior
    2. AVV
      AVV 28 September 2013 19: 57 New
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      The NATO troops will protect their fighters, but to send Georgians to everybody, they are not sorry, because they are not members of NATO !!!
      1. edge
        edge 29 September 2013 13: 46 New
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        Quote: AVV
        The NATO troops will protect their fighters, but to send Georgians to everybody, they are not sorry, because they are not members of NATO !!

        I read a press release on the experience of using dzhorzhiks in Afghanistan; they run away from every bullet, you can’t drive them out to combat (they are sitting at the base), they have not completed a single combat mission, but they plundered and sold everything that they reached out, did not disdain theft of personal property. NATO them, we have fewer bunts .......
    3. Mercenary
      Mercenary 28 September 2013 21: 04 New
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      For what a NATO choir will be.
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 30 September 2013 08: 09 New
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        Yes, I agree with you: the NATO song and dance ensemble has a chance to become the best in the world! And as for fighting spirit, etc., then someone must also "lure" the enemy (and Georgians are better suited for this role than anyone else)!
    4. phantom359
      phantom359 28 September 2013 22: 23 New
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      Quote: andrei332809
      will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force
      All the NATO forces have to be thrown to guard warehouses and the fleet. I don’t know in Europe what haemorrhoids await them wassat

      So they will be taken to auxiliary parts. In combat they have nothing to do.
    5. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 29 September 2013 08: 44 New
      +1
      hi Why is Georgia European and is in Turkey’s tuchess and between the legs of Persia ..... ??? NON-JOB?
    6. Constantine
      Constantine 29 September 2013 11: 17 New
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      Quote: andrei332809
      will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force
      wassat
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 2 October 2013 15: 24 New
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        And the legs were widely spread by someone, that he had piled in his pants from premonition in advance, in a word, sratnaz!
    7. Pharao7766
      Pharao7766 30 September 2013 11: 03 New
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      That's right - they did! there are also no fools.
      You must correctly understand the meaning of the idea !!! fool
      Everything is very simple - fighting - you watch the Georgians drape, the skirts ... they reacted quickly as always, which means the rest has to go.
  2. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 28 September 2013 15: 37 New
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    Yes, let them finally come along with Ukraine and thereby complete preparations for the final collapse of NATO bully
    1. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 28 September 2013 21: 32 New
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      Quote: Ruslan67
      Yes, let them finally enter together with Ukraine and thereby complete preparations for the final collapse of NATO bully


      And Moldova is still there to the heap. smile Then it will be a serious blow to NATO defense.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 28 September 2013 21: 50 New
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        Quote: aviator_IAS
        And Moldova is still there to the heap

        They already doubt about dummies and the Baltic states, and you are talking about Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova ...
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 29 September 2013 17: 36 New
          +1
          Amer think they did what we did when the Soviet Union collapsed ... More
    2. rolik
      rolik 29 September 2013 00: 52 New
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      Quote: Ruslan67
      Yes, let them finally come along with Ukraine

      It’s time for us to invite Cuba to the CSTO, and to build a decent base on the island for this business.
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 29 September 2013 17: 34 New
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        Someone already built a base there ...
  3. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 15: 40 New
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    changes to this agreement have already been made. As you know, in 1952, NATO neglected Article 10 of the Treaty and accepted Turkey, which is located in Asia, into the alliance.


    Part of Turkey is located in Europe, the same Istanbul has two parts: European - Western and Asian - Eastern.
    1. alexng
      alexng 28 September 2013 16: 15 New
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      We simply observe one of the acts in the world performance or, more banally, the reality show.
      - What do science fiction, historian and politician have in common?
      - The power of imagination! The science fiction invents the future, the historian - the past, and the politician - the present ...
    2. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 September 2013 17: 38 New
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      Truth?!? And what part of it is in the North Atlantic ??
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 29 September 2013 18: 06 New
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        For example, the same Greece is also far from the North Atlantic, but this did not prevent it from joining NATO.
  4. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 15: 53 New
    +1
    There are some analogies with the beginning of the 40s of the last century, from the west of NATO instead of fascist Germany, from the east, China is strengthening, instead of militaristic Japan.
  5. Tony tomahawk
    Tony tomahawk 28 September 2013 16: 00 New
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    Georgian Armed Forces? But haven't they scattered all over Georgia having forgotten about weapons / equipment?
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 September 2013 17: 40 New
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      ... hiding under the table and chewing on ties ... wassat
  6. marat1000
    marat1000 28 September 2013 16: 01 New
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    Ahahah shameful NATO, Georgia tidied up to itself)) Do not disdain anything
  7. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 16: 07 New
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    Quote: marat1000
    Ahahah shameful NATO, Georgia tidied up to itself)) Do not disdain anything

    They do not disdain land in the "underbelly" of Russia, the Caucasus for them is a strategic bridgehead. And about Georgia, for example, Albania is also a member of NATO, and the army there, as you know, is still ....
    1. smile
      smile 28 September 2013 16: 25 New
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      RUSS
      Yes, they need a bridgehead and infrastructure for deployment in which case ... and the place is strategic, besides Georgia is separating Armenia from us ...
      By the way, he knew that Georgia’s aspiration to NATO will not change at all with the change of Brave Mishiko. Bidzina is just as much a US henchman as Nikolozovich, only much more intelligent. It is unlikely that this will be easier for us. Georgia’s policy has not changed much.
    2. vahatak
      vahatak 29 September 2013 17: 36 New
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      Albania is a member of NATO? Since when?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 29 September 2013 18: 07 New
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        Since 2009.
  8. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 16: 11 New
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    Quote: andrei332809
    will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force
    All the NATO forces have to be thrown to guard warehouses and the fleet. I don’t know in Europe what haemorrhoids await them wassat

    Georgia may have the fate of Kosovo, where there is one of the largest NATO bases in Europe (while Kosovo is not a member of NATO), Kosovo Albanians are not allowed to go there for a cannon shot.
  9. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 September 2013 16: 15 New
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    NATO, having accepted the Georgian warriors into its ranks, will receive another headache. As they say in Ukraine: ne mala baba trouble, so bought a pig. Why is Russia against Georgia’s joining NATO? Maybe the Georgians will ruin this military-political bloc.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 28 September 2013 16: 22 New
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      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Maybe the Georgians will ruin this military-political bloc.

      do not fall apart, stole. too, daragoy, mine kaleso nada.
  10. VadimSt
    VadimSt 28 September 2013 16: 31 New
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    Cesspool, into which they throw yeast - hopefully they will swell and begin to stink throughout the Caucasus region.
  11. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 28 September 2013 16: 43 New
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    After Georgia joins NATO, NATO will be invincible !!! wassat
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 September 2013 17: 50 New
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      Alexandrov's choir is cooler !!! repeat
  12. knn54
    knn54 28 September 2013 16: 49 New
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    Europeans are leaving Afghanistan and Iraq. Therefore, fresh meat is needed in wars unnecessary for Georgia. The new government is ALSO ready to work diligently to its star-striped masters.
    PS No country outside NATO is a member of the Rapid Response Force, Georgia will be the first. And the first pancake is a special unit of instant retreat. Although, on the other hand, Estonian rapid reaction forces would have been more absurd.
  13. alone
    alone 28 September 2013 17: 49 New
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    After reading the article, we can conclude: Georgia is lost for Russia.
    1. USMC
      USMC 29 September 2013 14: 27 New
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      Quote: lonely
      After reading the article, we can conclude: Georgia is lost for Russia.

      long lost! and we will soon fight off !!!!))))
    2. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 September 2013 17: 52 New
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      It is unlikely. A month later, they have the presidential election - then we'll see
      1. USMC
        USMC 29 September 2013 18: 27 New
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        our n * cycle was also pro-Russian at first))))
  14. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 17: 49 New
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    Quote: knn54
    Europeans are leaving Afghanistan and Iraq. Therefore, fresh meat is needed in wars unnecessary for Georgia. The new government is ALSO ready to work diligently to its star-striped masters.
    PS No country outside NATO is a member of the Rapid Response Force, Georgia will be the first. And the first pancake is a special unit of instant retreat. Although, on the other hand, Estonian rapid reaction forces would have been more absurd.

    Amer is increasingly fighting with the wrong hands (for example, bearded men in Syria), it is true that the Georgians are new meat, they will throw rockets from their boats, well, the Georgians are destined to take into account, to run around the land ....
    1. USMC
      USMC 29 September 2013 14: 32 New
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      Quote: RUSS
      Quote: knn54
      Europeans are leaving Afghanistan and Iraq. Therefore, fresh meat is needed in wars unnecessary for Georgia. The new government is ALSO ready to work diligently to its star-striped masters.
      PS No country outside NATO is a member of the Rapid Response Force, Georgia will be the first. And the first pancake is a special unit of instant retreat. Although, on the other hand, Estonian rapid reaction forces would have been more absurd.

      Amer is increasingly fighting with the wrong hands (for example, bearded men in Syria), it is true that the Georgians are new meat, they will throw rockets from their boats, well, the Georgians are destined to take into account, to run around the land ....


      what the hell? in Afghanistan in 2013, the total number of ISAFs is 97 military personnel from 920 countries, of which 49 are Americans! what nah cannon fodder, if mostly Americans are fighting !!!!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 29 September 2013 18: 10 New
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        Afghanistan is most likely the last country where amers have deployed large-scale ground forces in such numbers. Further, all the dirty work will be carried out by their friends from all sorts of Alkaids, well, for Georgians there is work.
        1. USMC
          USMC 29 September 2013 18: 32 New
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          Quote: RUSS
          Afghanistan is most likely the last country where amers have deployed large-scale ground forces in such numbers. Further, all the dirty work will be carried out by their friends from all sorts of Alkaids, well, for Georgians there is work.

          I agree to the account of the first. at the expense of Georgians no. militants can be supplied and say that you have nothing to do with it, but Georgians won’t give a ride. that they themselves, for example, will invade Iran, and the United States will have nothing to do with it?
  15. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 28 September 2013 17: 56 New
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    Does NATO take Georgia into its own? Wait, you don’t have to rush. They said that their special forces will be part of the rapid reaction forces. Although this is the beginning. The United States has one strategy is to strangle RUSSIA within its borders. If Georgia becomes part of NATO, it will mean that the strangulation of RUSSIA will begin in Transcaucasia. However, after the 5-day war of 2008, the Georgian army suffered very much. Previously, it was among the strongest states in the Caucasus. Now its army is the weakest in the region. And despite active funding from the United States and NATO countries , Turkey and others. Its army still hasn’t regained its position. Saakashvili is leaving, but Georgia’s policy has not changed. But the Georgian special forces should not be underestimated, because the fact is that the special forces were trained by American instructors. Therefore, it’s some kind of force. That's why they and they are going to take special forces into a quick reaction force.
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 28 September 2013 18: 08 New
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      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      But Georgian special forces should not be underestimated, because the fact is that this special forces was trained by American instructors. Therefore, it is something of a force. That's why they are going to take special forces into a quick reaction force.

      Do not overestimate it. And how is this Georgian special forces so strong? In August 2008, our 58th army, and even not in its best form, explained everything to everyone and is quite intelligible. There have been articles on the website about Amerov’s special forces more than once - the Russian are neither rivals.
      1. GREAT RUSSIA
        GREAT RUSSIA 28 September 2013 18: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
        But Georgian special forces should not be underestimated, because the fact is that this special forces was trained by American instructors. Therefore, it is something of a force. That's why they are going to take special forces into a quick reaction force.

        Do not overestimate it. And how is this Georgian special forces so strong? In August 2008, our 58th army, and even not in its best form, explained everything to everyone and is quite intelligible. There have been articles on the website about Amerov’s special forces more than once - the Russian are neither rivals.

        I don’t overestimate. You don’t have to worry about this. As Ibn Sayyid said: “Do not think that a weak enemy will not do harm.” Whatever the enemy, he must be respected, this is one of the foundations of military tactics. And this special forces is trained by the Americans , and this already makes you reckon. And do not say that the Americans are weak. I agree that to the RUSSIAN special forces not one of them is an opponent, but the enemy must be respected.
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 28 September 2013 19: 36 New
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          Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
          You know how Ibn Sayyid said: “It’s not necessary to think that a weak enemy will not do harm.” No matter what the enemy is, it must be respected, this is one of the foundations of military tactics

          I agree with Ibn Saeed.

          .And this special forces trained by the Americans, and this is already forcing to reckon.

          As for the training by the Americans - I will say this - you should not take it into account at all, but there is no need to overestimate it.
        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 29 September 2013 09: 43 New
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          Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
          But this special forces was trained by the Americans, and this already makes us reckon with it. And it is not necessary to say that the Americans are weak. I agree that not one of them is an opponent to the Russian special forces, but the enemy must be respected.

          Respect is too much honor, but you should not lose your vigilance and vigilance, and if you climb, hit seriously with all the force of arms, like big ones.
          The backed one does not fall, the bruised one does not bite.
          1. GREAT RUSSIA
            GREAT RUSSIA 29 September 2013 10: 06 New
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            Quote: Corsair5912
            Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
            But this special forces was trained by the Americans, and this already makes us reckon with it. And it is not necessary to say that the Americans are weak. I agree that not one of them is an opponent to the Russian special forces, but the enemy must be respected.

            Respect is too much honor, but you should not lose your vigilance and vigilance, and if you climb, hit seriously with all the force of arms, like big ones.
            The backed one does not fall, the bruised one does not bite.

            I agree. I’ll add from myself. As Cicero said: “A vigilant soldier provides a greater service to his MOTHERLAND than a good speaker.” I agree with you Nikolai +++. With respect. hi
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 29 September 2013 16: 44 New
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              Quote: GREAT RUSSIA

              I agree. I’ll add from myself. As Cicero said: “A vigilant soldier provides a greater service to his MOTHERLAND than a good speaker.” I agree with you Nikolai +++. With respect. hi

              Thank you, Ibrahim. And you ++++. Let them be vigilant, defenders of the Fatherland.
              Cautious fighters do not cry mothers.
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 28 September 2013 22: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        In August 2008, our 58th army,



        guys ... say again in against everyone and everything smile but for the sake of objectivity, let's face it ----- as in the comments write all the Georgians are stupid .. not human ... but here it was
        1. Ramadan
          Ramadan 29 September 2013 11: 10 New
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          The alarmist comments, but at least does not hide the fact that he has a bench-press point ...
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 29 September 2013 18: 12 New
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            And the second soldier fades and stands at full height.
        2. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 29 September 2013 11: 26 New
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          Quote: smersh70
          but for the sake of objectivity, let's face it ----- as in the comments write all the Georgians are stupid .. not human ... but here it was


          These are peacekeepers, young conscripts, boys - who were attacked for no reason. You don’t see that this is a base of peacekeepers? Only the latter attack the peacekeepers, there is no excuse for this. How should they behave? Can you still call them cowards? Or do you have only heroes in your diaper? And the fact that they were abandoned is a crime, but no one believed that the Georgians would attack. Yes, and the Russian peacekeepers. So your video is not the topic. It’s generally about specialists and a regular army. You insert a video about our specialists, about the Vostok battalion, about Denis Vetchinov.
          1. kartalovkolya
            kartalovkolya 30 September 2013 08: 21 New
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            A lot of honor for these bastards who can attack peacekeepers and kill civilians are fascist punishers and not special forces. In my opinion, you should not waste your time and others' time on such news.
  16. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 17: 59 New
    +2
    Still such an idea came, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan also have part of the territories in the European part of Eurasia, and if you figure it out, fantasize, because they can join NATO, then we will be completely blocked, I don’t believe in it, but I don’t believe in the collapse of the Union either believed ....
  17. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 18: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: lonely
    After reading the article, we can conclude: Georgia is lost for Russia.

    “Paranoids like Mishiko come and go,” and the Georgian people remain, though I am more inclined to believe that Georgia is farther and farther from Russia, whether we need it or not, a question, but I would not want to have an ally and a vassal of amers close by.
  18. cobalt
    cobalt 28 September 2013 18: 07 New
    +9
    Georgian rapid reaction forces look like this. A very effective army. Terrible strike force.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 28 September 2013 18: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: cobalt
      . Terrible strike force.

      Khazanov seemed to have it, the Zaporozhets was good for everyone, but the designer did not foresee the machine gun.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 28 September 2013 18: 23 New
      0
      At the traffic police post: - Paprasyli padved, not to say goodbye to good-natured guys!
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  19. avg
    avg 28 September 2013 18: 12 New
    +2
    There was an interesting selection of statements on Twitter by American soldiers about Georgians in Afghanistan - exclusively as thieves and looters. Now they will interact even more closely.
  20. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 28 September 2013 18: 32 New
    -1
    Starting in 2015, Georgian armed forces units will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force, said country's Defense Minister Irakli Alasania on September 16. According to him, the decision by the North Atlantic Alliance was made three weeks ago, and this is "the highest recognition of the Georgian armed forces."

    Well, yes, during the war period 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX "Grads" in peaceful night cities - the "highest recognition" of the armed forces!
    The peacekeepers didn’t have “Hurricanes” there !!! - it would definitely be the beginning of the “Kursk Bulge” to Georgian warriors !!!
  21. Black
    Black 28 September 2013 18: 40 New
    +2
    With all due respect....
    Just as Georgia withdrew from the Soviet Union, Abkhazia and South Ossetia separated from the Georgian state, and not without the help of Moscow. However, these republics had the same right to independence as Georgia, when it separated from the USSR.
    Is it from such a run? Following this channel, why did we grab the eggs for Chechnya?
    These neoplasms gained independence with courage and strength .... and idiocy, first Gamsakhurdia, declaring- "Georgia for Georgians !!", and later Galstukoeda, who was bred as a fool.

    As for the Georgian army, I would not mock. Events 08.08.08 do not say anything. This is on the one hand.
    On the other hand, it is not a matter of Georgians. The point is the troops of NOTO, which will become a camp in the iliac. And this is almost a fact along the way.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 September 2013 21: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Chen
      the same applies to the Georgian army, I would not mock. Events 08.08.08 do not say anything. This is on the one hand.
      On the other hand, it is not a matter of Georgians. The point is the troops of NOTO, which will become a camp in the iliac. And this is almost a fact along the way.

      This means that the jokes are over, NATO is preparing bridgeheads for an attack on Russia.
      1. Strike by thousands of cruise missiles at cities and communications.
      2. Enter the units of the jackal, from among our former "friends."
      3. Entering NATO and USAA units, on the dead bones of jackals and those whom they will be able to get.
      Hitler's tactics.
      1. max702
        max702 29 September 2013 12: 11 New
        +1
        Yes, that is right! in 2008 they made a big mistake leaving Georgia alone, it was necessary to go all the way to take the country's leadership and others involved in the war, judge by a military field court, all those disloyal to Russia there, catch all who took part and send to restore the destroyed establish their power, let bayonets, carry out severe reparations in favor of the victims, place garrisons at key points and more. Yes, a couple of tens of thousands would have been cleaned up but the hell removed .. But we need steel Faberge from the management .. and with these stresses ..
  22. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 28 September 2013 19: 31 New
    0
    "Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice writes in her book" No Honor Above "
    What is the name of the old Negro girl for the book came up with.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 September 2013 18: 00 New
      +1
      What she didn’t write about - she wrote about that! And she does not have a family (husband / children). This is the next book, Campaign
  23. konvalval
    konvalval 28 September 2013 19: 38 New
    0
    Apparently, the contingent of the Georgian rapid reaction forces of NATO will be formed from warriors who have "combat experience" acquired in the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, darting, throwing equipment and weapons, from our units.
  24. Kurkin
    Kurkin 28 September 2013 19: 56 New
    +2
    Doug Bandow: “It is assumed that NATO should make America more secure. But moving NATO to the borders of Georgia will increase the likelihood of war. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities between Tbilisi and Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Moscow could be drawn into them, and this will lead to a confrontation between NATO and Russia. The result could be a war that the West has been able to avoid throughout the Cold War. Of course, Mostly Americans will fight - and this conflict has a dangerous opportunity to develop into a nuclear one, especially given the relatively weak non-nuclear forces of Russia ” American military policy experts have such an opinion about us. Either underestimate, or know more than us ordinary people? I would like to believe that this Doug is greatly mistaken regarding the combat effectiveness and power of our non-nuclear forces. Although Serdyukovschina will probably be heard for a long time our Army.
  25. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 28 September 2013 21: 03 New
    +5
    Starting in 2015, Georgian armed forces units will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force, said country's Defense Minister Irakli Alasania on September 16. According to him, the decision by the North Atlantic Alliance was made three weeks ago, and this is “the highest recognition of the Georgian armed forces”

    Yusovtsy always loved someone else's cannon fodder, they inherited it from the Britons, they liked to send Turks against Arabs, against Muslim Buddhists, against Pashtuns Tajiks, against Turkmens and Uzbeks, etc.
    Baran rejoices that his fellow tribesmen were recognized as suitable for slaughter in someone else's slaughter.
    Why, they showed themselves so in the battles near Tskhinvali, fought so bravely until they shot at them, and when they started shooting, they draped and very quickly, even the Yankees didn’t run from the Vietnamese, their breathing was weak.
    Anyway, brave fighters are cargoes, some Georgian heroically splashed acid in the face of a girl, the winner of a beauty contest, when she rejected the claims of a dirty inhuman.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 28 September 2013 21: 46 New
      +1
      ... even the Yankees did not run from the Vietnamese, they could not.

      Now learn.laughingMishiko will probably pick up veterans for the RBU, and they will share the experience of lightning-fast drap ... For the sake of complete impressions, the leaders of the NATO states will only have what to buy for a couple of chewing ties. lol
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 28 September 2013 22: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Corsair5912
      some Georgian heroically splashed acid on the girl’s face,


      here you are mistaken smile he was an Armenian and a local authority .... it was in Rostov .. hi ..
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 29 September 2013 09: 31 New
        0
        Quote: smersh70

        here you are mistaken smile he was an Armenian and a local authority .... it was in Rostov .. hi ..

        By no means, he was a Georgian employed by an Armenian, and the competition was in Sochi.
        Apparently this is the second episode.
        Here they are the morals of the Caucasians.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 29 September 2013 10: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair5912
          they are the morals of the Caucasians.


          and not only... laughing can remember Desdemona fellow this is normal male jealousy and punishment for treason ... or you are alien to such concepts ..... request
    3. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 29 September 2013 10: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      Starting in 2015, Georgian armed forces units will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force, said country's Defense Minister Irakli Alasania on September 16. According to him, the decision by the North Atlantic Alliance was made three weeks ago, and this is “the highest recognition of the Georgian armed forces”

      Yusovtsy always loved someone else's cannon fodder, they inherited it from the Britons, they liked to send Turks against Arabs, against Muslim Buddhists, against Pashtuns Tajiks, against Turkmens and Uzbeks, etc.
      Baran rejoices that his fellow tribesmen were recognized as suitable for slaughter in someone else's slaughter.
      Why, they showed themselves so in the battles near Tskhinvali, fought so bravely until they shot at them, and when they started shooting, they draped and very quickly, even the Yankees didn’t run from the Vietnamese, their breathing was weak.
      Anyway, brave fighters are cargoes, some Georgian heroically splashed acid in the face of a girl, the winner of a beauty contest, when she rejected the claims of a dirty inhuman.

      I agree. Imagine. The Georgians are so brave that they can go to the toilet without loss. wassat
  26. APASUS
    APASUS 28 September 2013 21: 13 New
    +2
    If Georgia joins NATO, it will legally confirm the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
    NATO does not take countries with territorial problems - the choice is the Georgians!
  27. Shturmovik
    Shturmovik 28 September 2013 21: 40 New
    +6
    Let them come in) our guys did not write in vain:
  28. Theophanes
    Theophanes 28 September 2013 21: 57 New
    +5
    The whole history of Georgia is a complete betrayal of all its allies. This will continue further. Therefore, it is a pity that the Georgian people are not lucky with the leaders: either Shevarnadze, or some other bandit, or psycho Sakashvili ... Well, let’s hope for the best. In the meantime, Georgia is certainly ready to hit in the back.
    1. NORILCHANIN
      NORILCHANIN 28 September 2013 23: 10 New
      -2
      Georgians are always only from the silence, in the back and at night.
      Guys have loafers and thieves, with a rare exception.
      All Georgia rests on women; they are sorry for them, but they only steal genatsvali!
      1. Black
        Black 29 September 2013 22: 35 New
        +3
        I put you a minus, although I try not to "judge" at all.
        "In the back, at night" ... Not worth it ...
        Actually, our grandfathers shoulder to shoulder beat the German. Is that nothing?
        The Georgian people, like the Russian people, are not responsible for what is happening in power!
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 29 September 2013 22: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: Chen
          The Georgian people, like the Russian people, are not responsible for what is happening in power!


          From time immemorial, the brotherhood of the peoples of Russia and Georgia has been out of politics, as if the “Kings” of all times and peoples “did not try”.
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      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 29 September 2013 23: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: NORILCHAN
        Georgians are always only from the silence, in the back and at night.
        Guys have loafers and thieves, with a rare exception.
        All Georgia rests on women; they are sorry for them, but they only steal genatsvali!
        Hi Sash, here is another media victim!
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 29 September 2013 23: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Alex 241
          Hi Sash, here is another media victim!


          Hi Sasha. I agree!
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 29 September 2013 23: 18 New
            +2
            Sasha is the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia, it is absolutely transparent, and you know what the first words the Georgian policeman says are: Good afternoon, do you need any help?
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 29 September 2013 23: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: Alex 241
              Sasha is the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia, it is absolutely transparent, and you know what the first words the Georgian policeman says are: Good afternoon, do you need any help?


              I especially liked the work of the registration and examination units of the GAI in Georgia, that’s where there is real respect for civil rights and the work to eradicate the corruption component! I didn’t save the links, but whoever searches is found. And this is not window dressing, as he communicated with objective participants in the process.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 29 September 2013 23: 27 New
                +2
                Sasha they have one day passport issuance! One day Sasha!
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 29 September 2013 23: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Sasha they have one day passport issuance! One day Sasha!


                  With our 10 days for internal and endless red tape for foreign (I remember, Sash, you told your story). And this despite the fact that in Soviet times, no one in Georgia ever took change in a store, on a bus, everywhere, there was a shit. Or maybe this is a mentality with centuries-old traditions? A mentality aimed at respecting a fellow tribe? To help and support a comrade, colleague, and just a traveler who asked for water, despite his own needs and difficulties?
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 29 September 2013 23: 41 New
                    +2
                    Yes, Sash, when they “received” me at the customs with wine, a driver came up who worked with us and said: This is my brother! All this turned out to be enough!
                    1. studentmati
                      studentmati 29 September 2013 23: 51 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Yes, Sash, when they “received” me at the customs with wine, a driver came up who worked with us and said: This is my brother! All this turned out to be enough!


                      I say it firsthand. I have many familiar people from Georgia, and with different statuses, from simple toilers to large ranks. All of them are people with high intelligence and self-esteem! Maybe the best of the diaspora have not met me? And most likely the diaspora itself does not allow such people, so as not to disgrace the nation.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 September 2013 23: 58 New
                        +2
                        They transplanted all the thieves in law, maybe it’s tough, but logical, they created situations where the criminals burned, the earth burned under their feet, so they rushed from Georgia, they did not have the concept of extradition. Where the Georgians committed the crime there and they’re sitting, they they simply don’t accept it. The police are engaged in their work, not in dropping the grandmothers! For any bribe, handcuffs instantly. I was immediately warned about this.
                      2. studentmati
                        studentmati 30 September 2013 00: 04 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        They transplanted all the thieves in law, maybe it’s tough, but logical, they created situations where the criminals burned, the earth burned under their feet, so they rushed from Georgia, they did not have the concept of extradition. Where the Georgians committed the crime there and they’re sitting, they they simply don’t accept it. The police are engaged in their work, not in dropping the grandmothers! For any bribe, handcuffs instantly. I was immediately warned about this.


                        For all that, the fact of NATO "sub-henpecking" looks even sadder ... sad
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 September 2013 00: 10 New
                        +2
                        Sasha doesn’t fit in my head !!!!!!!!!!!! How it was necessary to ombud people, so that the Georgian soldier would shoot at Russian and at peace, I just can’t understand this, as well as Kikabidze’s statement! Was it all worth it!
                      4. studentmati
                        studentmati 30 September 2013 00: 24 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sasha doesn’t fit in my head !!!!!!!!!!!! How it was necessary to ombud people, so that the Georgian soldier would shoot at Russian and at peace, I just can’t understand this, as well as Kikabidze’s statement! Was it all worth it!


                        Political and zombie technologies are developing at no less speed than computer technologies. Therefore, to "calculate" the ancient civilization of the Georgians, who had not yet had time to plunge into the modern world, was a matter of technology.
                        I can also explain Kikabidze's attack only by practicing methods of psychological influence.
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 September 2013 00: 29 New
                        +1
                        Sasha, but there were already skirmishes already, they knew that we wouldn’t give up and the payoff was torturing! They knew both the Georgian leadership and their patrons, they know how to figure out situations!
                      6. studentmati
                        studentmati 30 September 2013 00: 42 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sasha, but there were already skirmishes already, they knew that we wouldn’t give up and the payoff was torturing! They knew both the Georgian leadership and their patrons, they know how to figure out situations!


                        Specifically planned provocation. As far as I remember, back in April there was a PT about the alleged military conflict. Then the phrase "military conflict" sounded shockingly. Between Russia and Georgia?

                        As time has shown: neither the leadership of Georgia of the 2008 model, nor their patrons even know how to calculate the situation.
                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 September 2013 00: 48 New
                        +2
                        Sasha agree, the patrons just calculated, the conflict will finally tear Georgia away from Russia, and the information thrown in time will make us aggressors. Remember what hysteria was, yes Saakashvili looked like a naughty schoolboy!
                      8. studentmati
                        studentmati 30 September 2013 01: 01 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sasha agree, the patrons just calculated, the conflict will finally tear Georgia away from Russia, and the information thrown in time will make us aggressors. Remember what hysteria was, yes Saakashvili looked like a naughty schoolboy!


                        The kid who did not play enough in childhood in the "war game". angry As the famous song says: "You don’t need a knife for a fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes, and do what you like with him ..." Which amers did to him ...
                        A notorious dropout, or maybe retraining, imagining himself a historical person. fool Ugh ...
                      9. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 September 2013 01: 04 New
                        +1
                        Sasha, was it worth it, to drag your people into the slaughter, to disgrace and humiliate him? 16 Georgian soldiers who died during the conflict are buried.
                    2. smersh70
                      smersh70 30 September 2013 13: 33 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      the conflict will finally tear Georgia away from Russia, and the information thrown in time will expose us as aggressors.


                      But this was the main goal and was successfully implemented !!!! Well, if you look at international law and Helsinki, in principle, Russia occupied 20% of the territory of Georgia .....
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 30 September 2013 13: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              How to zombify people


              it was purposeful work ... in which it was shown that NATO came and there were no bribes, and now the bribes were left to you from the USSR and its successor, who does not want to restore the territorial integrity of Georgia .... and this is sacred for any citizen of this state ... . Including as a territory. Integrity of Russia for YOU !!!!!!!!
  29. Corsair
    Corsair 29 September 2013 23: 47 New
    +4
    Quote: studentmati
    And this despite the fact that in Soviet times, no one in Georgia ever took change in a store, on a bus, everywhere, there was a shit.

    Her (surrender) sellers simply did not give, "it was a mess" ... laughing
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 September 2013 23: 50 New
      +2
      .................
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 29 September 2013 23: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        .................


        laughing Thanks, Sasha! good You, as always, at your best, skillfully emphasize the phrase in the video! drinks
    2. studentmati
      studentmati 30 September 2013 00: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Corsair
      Her (surrender) sellers simply did not give, "it was a bastard" ... laughing


      There was a silent confrontation between the proud Georgians: “let the hand of the surrender give away,” and “let the hand of the surrender take away”.
      Proud nation !!! hi
      Hurry, this pride would manifest itself against foreign political technologies, dishonoring Georgians with individuals chewing their own tie!
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 30 September 2013 00: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: studentmati
        Hurry, this pride would manifest itself against foreign political technologies, dishonoring Georgians with individuals chewing their own tie!

        For this WILL (not in the sense of "freedom") is needed ...
      2. studentmati
        studentmati 30 September 2013 00: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        For this WILL (not in the sense of "freedom") is needed ...


        I think that the people of Georgia have a will. There is no leader capable of directing this will for the good of the people. And there is no such leader most likely under conditions artificially created by the USA.
      3. Alex 241
        Alex 241 30 September 2013 00: 34 New
        +1
        For this, they must realize themselves as a people for Sasha, while they are simply busy with survival there.
      4. studentmati
        studentmati 30 September 2013 00: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        For this, they must realize themselves as a people for Sasha, while they are simply busy with survival there.


        Tooting! good I remember myself in the fall of 1993, the main goal is to collect and preserve the crop from the garden in order to cantle the coming winter. It’s good that the haircut was short, there was nothing to stand on end when watching live broadcast in the month of October ...
      5. Alex 241
        Alex 241 30 September 2013 00: 56 New
        0
        Sasha, and I have windows overlooking the Ostankino Tower, and when I heard shots, and tracers at night, my wife and daughter under my arm, and into another room.
      6. studentmati
        studentmati 30 September 2013 01: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Alex 241
        Sasha, and I have windows overlooking the Ostankino Tower, and when I heard shots, and tracers at night, my wife and daughter under my arm, and into another room.


        "Veselukha" was, but you survived and worthily survived!
      7. Alex 241
        Alex 241 30 September 2013 01: 10 New
        +2
        Yeah, Sash, the next anniversary is coming soon.
      8. studentmati
        studentmati 30 September 2013 01: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        Yeah, Sash, the next anniversary is coming soon.


        Toka wanted to say: "And why did I remember October 1993" But after 20 years have passed, nifiga myself !!! Is it a lot or a little? We read with interest the articles of people "in the subject," so to speak.
  30. Corsair
    Corsair 30 September 2013 00: 36 New
    0
    Quote: studentmati
    And there is no such leader most likely under conditions artificially created by the USA.

    It is difficult to disagree with this; the "ears" of amers stick out from everywhere.
    But as a rule, action gives rise to opposition, only a jerk is needed ...
  31. Alex 241
    Alex 241 30 September 2013 00: 40 New
    +1
    But some positive trends I saw, oddly enough, but when buying land or real estate in Georgia, the Russians had their formalities to a minimum, and in Russia after the embargo, at the end of June they started selling real Georgian wines, and bourgeois.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 30 September 2013 13: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: studentmati
    Or maybe this is a mentality with centuries-old traditions?


    and where was this mentality in the days of Shevardnadze, when a column was formed to drive from Batumi to Tbilisi. And tore off the money without leaving the box office))))))))))
  • smersh70
    smersh70 30 September 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: studentmati
    I didn’t save links, but whoever seeks will find


    but why the link !!!!)))) I’m a witness to you! are right !!!!!!! in the car market in Rustavi .. the registration of the purchased car takes 15 minutes ... money can be pulled out of pockets only in front of the cashier and exchange office! in Contrary to the case, a policeman will approach you and ask you to remove the money .... fellow and the rooms are at different prices, though you have to pay at the cash desk, and not like yours or ours .... laughing
  • Yugra
    Yugra 28 September 2013 22: 05 New
    0
    genetically, we have recognized the man purse, no luck NATO, will be robbed ...
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 28 September 2013 22: 16 New
    +1
    The biggest failure of Saakashvili’s foreign policy was the start of the war with Russia in 2008, in which he was defeated.

    Hmm ... super-fast drape with the mere appearance of the enemy on the horizon, it turns out, is also considered a defeat? what And I naively thought that at least a fight with a superior opponent should be lost. request Cowardice was once considered a disgrace, not a defeat ... negative
  • yurii p
    yurii p 29 September 2013 00: 42 New
    0
    The "NATO sweetie for Tbilisi" is a member in a condom, and you want a tasty one, but don’t get it in your mouth, you’ll obviously get it like “roosters”.
  • svp67
    svp67 29 September 2013 02: 07 New
    +2
    Starting in 2015, Georgian armed forces units will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force, said country's Defense Minister Irakli Alasania on September 16.
    Uncle Sam's "Meat" ... fool negative
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 September 2013 02: 21 New
      12
      Seryeg was on a business trip in Tbilisi in June, the simple people don’t need NATO, the stratification of society is terrible, they climbed the funicular, the stadium thought, they said the prime minister’s cottage, there’s even a helipad. And don’t leave us all in one voice, traditional Caucasian hospitality, especially in the outback. I went everywhere at any time of the day, not a single bad word, or a glance of glance. They put me on the road, barely fired, including 10 liters of wine. They even chatted with customs so that they would let me through with wine. Here are such impressions .If you interesting photo lay out.
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      2. svp67
        svp67 29 September 2013 08: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        .If you interesting photo lay out.

        I catch the word...
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 10 New
          0
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          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 11 New
            0
            Novo Alekseevka Airport
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 13 New
              0
              Friendship Bridge, sorry photo for some reason, it only loads so.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 16 New
                0
                On the way to Kakheti, at the entrance to the famous city of Telavi laughing
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 17 New
                  0
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                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 18 New
                    0
                    Night Tbilisi from a height of 1200 meters.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 19 New
                      0
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                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 23 New
                        0
                        Alazani Valley
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 23 New
                        +1
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                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 25 New
                        0
                        Well, the local exotic invasion of grasshoppers.
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 27 New
                        0
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                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 September 2013 18: 28 New
                        +1
                        Departure from Kutaisi.
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 30 September 2013 13: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        Friendship Bridge, and


        and this is the longest pedestrian bridge in Europe .. popularly referred to as --Pampers Misha ... laughing
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 30 September 2013 13: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex 241
      Novo Alekseevka Airport


      this is an old photo ... built a new terminal
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 30 September 2013 19: 34 New
        0
        Photo taken on June 28, 2013.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 29 September 2013 22: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Alex 241
    Seryeg was on a business trip in Tbilisi in June, the simple people don’t need NATO, the stratification of society is terrible, they climbed the funicular, the stadium thought, they said the prime minister’s cottage, there’s even a helipad. And don’t leave us all in one voice, traditional Caucasian hospitality, especially in the outback. I went everywhere at any time of the day, not a single bad word, or a glance of glance. They put me on the road, barely fired, including 10 liters of wine. They even chatted with customs so that they would let me through with wine. Here are such impressions .If you interesting photo lay out.


    Truly fraternal, from a historical point of view, the people are going through the hardest time of political prostitutes and troublemakers. And in muddy water, the true face of many individuals is manifested in the best possible way. Time will pass, the turbidity will settle, the truth will triumph. Although the scars will certainly remain ...
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 September 2013 05: 12 New
    +5
    Quote: Alex 241
    Ordinary people do not need NATO in FIG

    + Better to see once than to hear!
    All under one comb is impossible! There were refuseniks, and rebels against a tie-eater in Georgia, and those who had "had fun" with a machine gun were traveling around Tskhinval.
    Terrorists, criminals, traitors and fools do not have a nationality.
  • Averias
    Averias 29 September 2013 07: 25 New
    +5
    Georgia is in NATO, it is "strong", and then call Georgian soldiers - GEORGIANS.
    1. varov14
      varov14 29 September 2013 14: 38 New
      +1
      No, NATO homosexuals will make them terminators.
  • major071
    major071 29 September 2013 08: 26 New
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    Conversation at NATO Headquarters in 2015.
    NATO Secretary General: - Today we must send Georgian quick reaction forces to Africa to resolve interethnic clashes.
    Georgian representative to NATO: - This is impossible, they have a planned tour of European cities with concerts ...
  • Voskepar
    Voskepar 29 September 2013 08: 27 New
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    Georgians will not enter anywhere.
    The days of the tie-eater were numbered as president, and after the election there, the president will be Ivanishvili.
    And do not forget that the Cabinet of Ministers decides a lot in Georgia now.
    I think it’s not necessary to remind whose person Ivanishvili himself is.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 29 September 2013 10: 10 New
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    that’s how they have already shown themselves in Afghanistan: after the Taliban’s threats against Georgia that the addresses of the Georgian contingent were known, the Georgian command asked the amers to transfer their soldiers to a quiet area and protect them from military operations, that is, to hide from the Taliban, because they realized that in the war can kill
  • largus886
    largus886 29 September 2013 10: 44 New
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    A good cocktail nerdy Estonian warrior and a hot Georgian special forces. Here .....
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 29 September 2013 11: 21 New
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    It seems to me that the USA is conserving the situation in Syria. And here (Georgia) and Turkey are nearby (but inaccessible to Syria), i.e. a bridgehead with infrastructure from ZakVO, and cannon fodder (they are not so pathetic as NATO ones), and cheap rabsila. Plus, under the belly of Russia it will turn out to be quite comfortable and legally (and in compliance with the promised non-expansion of NATO to the east). And this can be easily pressed on Armenia: pipelines through Georgia were laid. Consequently, Azerbaijan’s interest in NATO is growing many times. And energy from the Caspian is not from Russia. The decline in Europe’s dependence on Russian energy is by itself. And also, in the context of the anti-terrorist (anti-Islamic) actions of the United States and NATO, to bring the target closer to terrorists (so that in Europe and the United States they don’t bother). Come on, GEORGIA, BECOME YOURSELF IN A VICTIM AT THE ALTAR OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY ... FOR A SWEET.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 September 2013 11: 22 New
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    Starting in 2015, Georgian armed forces units will become part of the NATO Rapid Response Force, said country's Defense Minister Irakli Alasania on September 16.
    Until 2015, much more will happen ... Sakashvilli with his speech (yapping .. otherwise) the UN is simply trying to hedge against the possibility of declaring him a war criminal .. (he wants to obtain the status of a political refugee ..))) He had good teachers. . bully
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 September 2013 11: 33 New
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    Quote: samoletil18
    It seems to me that the USA is conserving the situation in Syria. And here (Georgia) and Turkey are nearby (but inaccessible to Syria), i.e. a bridgehead with infrastructure from ZakVO, and cannon fodder (they are not so pathetic as NATO ones), and cheap rabsila. Plus, under the belly of Russia it will turn out to be quite comfortable and legally (and in compliance with the promised non-expansion of NATO to the east). And this can be easily pressed on Armenia: pipelines through Georgia were laid. Consequently, Azerbaijan’s interest in NATO is growing many times. And energy from the Caspian is not from Russia. The decline in Europe’s dependence on Russian energy is by itself. And also, in the context of the anti-terrorist (anti-Islamic) actions of the United States and NATO, to bring the target closer to terrorists (so that in Europe and the United States they don’t bother). Come on, GEORGIA, BECOME YOURSELF IN A VICTIM AT THE ALTAR OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY ... FOR A SWEET.

    Normally wrote! think correctly ..
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 29 September 2013 17: 01 New
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      Thank! Great forum. It can be stated in theses - people here are smart, you do not need to chew.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 29 September 2013 11: 36 New
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    About the one whose Ivanishvili: Saakashvili, when it was the first minutes after the victory, he spoke very vividly about his great love for Russia. But buttocks parted before the Americans. They better
  • svp67
    svp67 29 September 2013 13: 33 New
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    No comments
  • Muxauk
    Muxauk 29 September 2013 13: 38 New
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    Stalin and Beria were also Georgians. they just dismissed the country, but the video in the comments is scary, I didn’t understand a lot of things, but in my opinion ours weren’t ready, like a movie, only people were dying ...
  • svp67
    svp67 29 September 2013 14: 11 New
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    Nat candy for Tbilisi

    1. smersh70
      smersh70 30 September 2013 13: 37 New
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      by the way ... but we ought to learn from them military wires ...... the truth is taken from the Americans ... but all the same ... and we and you do not meet the dead in their homeland ....
  • varov14
    varov14 29 September 2013 14: 27 New
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    It is not ambiguous to warn our Western friends and partners - in case of war we use atomic weapons, in all forms, Our military doctrine for the near future. Let it scratch turnips, since not sorry for "Paris"
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 29 September 2013 17: 05 New
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      then it’s good for Russia to send Ukraine to Belarus to NATO - let them make their way through nuclear (radioactive) blockages.
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  • USMC
    USMC 29 September 2013 14: 47 New
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    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    There have been articles on the website about Amerov’s special forces more than once - the Russian are neither rivals.

    Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
    I agree that not one of them is an opponent to the Russian special forces, but the enemy must be respected.

    Quote: Corsair5912
    Respect is too much honor, but you should not lose your vigilance and vigilance, and if you climb, hit seriously with all the force of arms, like big ones.


    Guys, and you, excuse me, are great specialists and experts on special forces? you are participants in the special operations of the Russian special forces and plus saw how the American special forces work, and have something to compare?
    "there have already been articles on the site," and who are the authors of these articles? Internet warriors and hostage release specialists in Counter-Strike then they are born from such phrases as "Kalash fires the rail." along b *** b. Moscow-Vladivostok.
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 29 September 2013 17: 33 New
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      Quote: USMC
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      There have been articles on the website about Amerov’s special forces more than once - the Russian are neither rivals.

      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      I agree that not one of them is an opponent to the Russian special forces, but the enemy must be respected.

      Quote: Corsair5912
      Respect is too much honor, but you should not lose your vigilance and vigilance, and if you climb, hit seriously with all the force of arms, like big ones.


      Guys, and you, excuse me, are great specialists and experts on special forces? you are participants in the special operations of the Russian special forces and plus saw how the American special forces work, and have something to compare?
      "there have already been articles on the site," and who are the authors of these articles? Internet warriors and hostage release specialists in Counter-Strike then they are born from such phrases as "Kalash fires the rail." along b *** b. Moscow-Vladivostok.

      Dear, I don’t know about you. But I personally live above the powder keg and there are several of them: 1 Elbrus-volcano; 2 I live in the North Caucasus and there can be a terrorist attack at any moment. I see special forces here every day. I see tanks and Armored personnel carriers. Here, at any time, the operation can begin.
      1. USMC
        USMC 29 September 2013 17: 44 New
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        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
        Dear, I don’t know about you. But I personally live above the powder keg and there are several of them: 1 Elbrus-volcano; 2 I live in the North Caucasus and there can be a terrorist attack at any moment. I see special forces here every day. I see tanks and Armored personnel carriers. Here, at any time, the operation can begin.


        Do you also see American specialists every day? Do you have the opportunity to compare their work and prove that they are worse?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 September 2013 14: 56 New
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    Quote: varov14
    It is not ambiguous to warn our Western friends and partners - in case of war we use atomic weapons, in all forms, Our military doctrine for the near future. Let it scratch turnips, since not sorry for "Paris"

    Tank attack to the shores of the Atlantic, etc. .. (to remember ..) And then everything else .. So I think!
  • Arkan
    Arkan 29 September 2013 14: 56 New
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    Georgian Armed Forces to become part of NATO Rapid Response Force from 2015


    Geyropa needs a male choir for corporate events.