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Russian innovation model collapses

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Russian innovation model collapses



China develops its own technology based on growing exports.

Moscow and Beijing demonstrate opposite approaches to financing innovation. Russian officials support isolated projects like Skolkovo, while China is increasing its investment in its own research based on growing exports of high-tech products. In terms of expenditure on research and development in the past year, China confidently ranks third in the world after the United States and united Europe. Such news reported yesterday by the Chinese statistical services. At the same time, Beijing confirmed plans to launch its own lunar rover as early as December 2013.

China does not want to be just an assembly shop anymore and is rapidly increasing its investments in its own development in order to establish a full cycle of export production using Chinese technologies. As the official press organ of the People's Republic of China, “Renmin jibao,” reported yesterday, “today China ranks third in the world in terms of total investment in research and development, gradually reducing the gap with developed countries and advancing in strengthening its status as a great power in science and technology ".

The victorious pathos is confirmed by the official statistics of China, as well as by the calculations of the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Science and Technology of the PRC: in 2012, the total investment in research and development throughout China amounted to more than a trillion yuan, at the current exchange rate it is about $ 168 billion. In 2012, China invested in innovation 18,5% more than in 2011. According to the Global R&D Report, China accounted for 2012% of global research and development (R&D) spending in 14,2. Indeed, in terms of this indicator, China is second only to the United States, which accounts for 31,1%, and to united Europe, with a share of 24,1%. At the same time, China has overtaken Japan, whose share is 11,2%, and Russia, with a very modest global share of 1,9%.

It seems that China’s investment in its own technologies is already bearing fruit. Neighboring rich countries complain about the growing flight of their scientists to China. This, in particular, is spoken by Japanese officials, where local scientists, it would seem, are in ideal conditions. One of the reasons for such a “brain drain” is a wider range of opportunities for scientists to implement their own projects - right up to the final export product.

A symbolic example of the success of China in the field of technology is the project of the Chinese lunar rover, which is scheduled to launch this December. We are talking about the launch of the first Chinese lunar mobile module, which is part of the third Chinese lunar sounding satellite, Chang'e-3. As reported by the Xinhua News Agency, during this mission, a space telescope based on the Moon will be installed for the first time, the lunar rover will be equipped with an 360-degree panoramic camera, an infrared spectrometer and an X-ray spectrometer for the first time.

China’s desire to establish a full cycle of development and production of high-tech export products domestically could serve as an example to follow. Against this background, the Russian approach to innovation looks pretty flawed. Attempts to pinpoint investments in innovations by creating such science cities of the future as, for example, Skolkovo, so far have not yielded any noticeable effect. At least they do not lead to technology breakthroughs and export growth. Judging by the Chinese experience, the effect of enclaves like Skolkovo will not be until they are built into the full chain of high-tech export products.

In the list of exporters of high-tech products, Russia occupies a very unenviable place in the world. For example, according to the calculations of foreign researchers, the United States and the European Union export aerospace products to 89 and 88 billion dollars a year, respectively. Russian aerospace exports only slightly exceed 1 billion dollars a year. In other words, the United States and the EU - each of the leaders - export aerospace products almost one hundred times more than Russia. But we are talking about the most modern industry in our country.

Approximately the same ratio of Russian exports with other countries in the field of electronics, pharmaceuticals and computer equipment.

Interviewed experts find several reasons for Russia's lagging in the innovation sector. These are mistakes of the state approach to innovation, an unfavorable business environment and underdeveloped competition. “The effect of scale is still impossible to ignore. When the volume and variety of its own production exceeds a certain level, its complexity inevitably begins to grow, and technology - to improve. Obviously, in a country with the second-largest GDP in the world, which is the “world assembly workshop,” this critical level has long been passed, ”says Allianz Investments analyst Ariel Black. “The large volume of the market in which Chinese manufacturers work is the main competitive advantage of Chinese innovators.” The volume of the Russian market, of course, is incomparable with the Chinese, so successful commercialization of research by Russian scientists will be difficult without focusing from the very beginning not only on the domestic market, the expert continues. “However, the problem of low returns on investment in research and development is wider than the mere inclusion or non-inclusion of export products in the production chain. The main trouble is that the economic realities, the conditions in which the largest companies exist and compete, do not encourage them to introduce new technologies, ”adds Cherny.

The first vice-president of the Russian club of financial directors, Tamara Kasyanova, recalls that a number of major international companies that previously used China as an assembly shop decided to return production to their homeland. In such circumstances, China is forced to change its approach to the import of technology. “But today it is difficult to talk about completely Chinese developments. Basically, they take as a basis the models of one or another product of foreign manufacturers and, after completion, produce a new Chinese product, ”notes Kasyanova. “Our scientists would work with great joy for the good of the country, but the main problem is the lack of necessary conditions. The salary of researchers remains low, and at the expense of the enthusiasm alone you cannot feed the family. Often laboratories are not properly equipped. To the request to replace the equipment in most cases the answer is: “There are no funds in the budget”. What kind of science development can we talk about if conditions are not created? - asks Kasyanov. “But on the other hand, the country's leadership is spending huge amounts of money on innovative developments, and not everyone understands what, for example, the same“ nanotechnologies ”are. Yes, and the corruption component in this process is clearly not a nanoscale. ”

“Russian science, if not to take the defensive direction, has always been focused on basic research. This was her problem in the 90-s, when the scientific personnel potential was largely extinct or went to foreign research centers. Applied science, in fact, needs to be created anew, and without industrial application and the demand for its development, the situation will, at best, be preserved at the current level, ”said Alexander Mironov, director of the audit department of Ural Union. At the same time, the high-tech manufacturing industry, which we should have had to stimulate industry science, is not itself in the best economic state.

Exports of countries by leading industries, in billions of dollars *


Aerospace
ElectronicPharmaceuticalComputer
Russia1,10,90,20,2
China3293,816,6293,8
Japan5,474,95,574,9
EC88,278,4160,638,6
USA89,293,346,548,8


* 2011 data for the year Source: US and Canadian Institute, Main Science and Technology Indicators Database.
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 28 September 2013 07: 21
    22
    That is the question. Because of our "effective" government and president, the economy has entered a period of stagnation, or even recession.
    People do not feel the soil under their feet, do not feel protected. What kind of investment and innovation are there in this atmosphere? So the capitals ran, and the brains followed. Until the power changes, we will stagnate.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 28 September 2013 08: 10
      34
      All the delights of "capitalist paradise" for a handful of people who live in power and in power against the background of the people abandoned for self-survival. I have a question. Across Ukraine. This is a copy of Russia, only in rougher lines. Different rulers, but with one goal. It's no secret that they are very rich people. That the capital (500 billion) is in banks controlled by the US, so there will be no tough measures against the US, it’s more expensive. The people - social protection and social security have been safely ... buried by the authorities. Education and medicine are practically paid. Com. services. gas, electricity, water at cost plus the greed of the oligarch. Take the pension yourself to the bank of someone else's uncle. for your rainy day. (Uncle's bank will burst like Mavrodi, and you will stay as his depositor). If everything is at our expense, then why the hell are we paying taxes. To contain the snickering power and a handful of its hangers-on? This is the true face of capitalism, wild. Wild and will remain. And put downsides. The bigger, the better. Show that you are becoming loyal vassals in the hands of the feudal lords.
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        1. Far East
          Far East 28 September 2013 09: 53
          -2
          Quote: Horde
          and if misfortune happens to the people, as in Primorye, then here's a compensation of 10 thousand rubles, have fun man.

          But what happened in Primorye? hi
          1. Horde
            Horde 28 September 2013 10: 24
            0
            Quote: Far East
            and sho happened in Primorye


            fell from the moon?
            http://www.sovross.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=594544
            1. Far East
              Far East 28 September 2013 10: 37
              +7
              Quote: Horde
              fell from the moon?

              Yes, sir, it's time for you to go to school! you probably skipped geography! this is the Amur region! laughing not Primorye! what happened! this is HABR., cr. and ask for YOU! I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft! hi
              1. Horde
                Horde 28 September 2013 10: 56
                11 th
                Quote: Far East
                Yes, sir, it's time for you to go to school! you probably skipped geography


                nerd article at least look fool
                1. Far East
                  Far East 28 September 2013 11: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Horde
                  nerd article at least look fool

                  Quote: Horde
                  and if misfortune happens to the people, as in Primorye, then here's a compensation of 10 thousand rubles, have fun man.

                  well YOU! clever man article! and because of such morons like YOU! who confuse the Amur region with Primorye, we will not have a good education. Well, you are insolent! the best defense is attacks! but it's not about YOU! mediocrity.
                  1. Rumata
                    Rumata 28 September 2013 15: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: Far East
                    and because of such morons like YOU! who confuse the Amur region with Primorye, we will not have a good education. Well, you are insolent! the best defense is attacks! but it's not about YOU! mediocrity.
                    And the fact that he is illiterate and stupid, probably the Jews are also to blame = (
                    1. Horde
                      Horde 28 September 2013 17: 14
                      -1
                      Quote: Rumata
                      And the fact that he is illiterate and stupid, probably the Jews are also to blame = (


                      Well, finally, the kagalnaya help arrived in time, did they call or did the scent on the anti-payoff comments erupt? laughing
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      2. Garrin
        Garrin 28 September 2013 08: 29
        +9
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        And put the cons. The bigger, the better. Show that you become faithful vassals in the hands of the feudal lords.

        Why put cons if everything is said correctly? Honored "+".
      3. mirag2
        mirag2 28 September 2013 08: 30
        +6
        Yes, that’s right, I say WE HAVE CAPITALISM! This is a bunch of Ur patriots among like-minded people here they feel like in the Union ...
      4. Arberes
        Arberes 28 September 2013 09: 16
        17
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        To contain the snickering power and a handful of its hangers-on?

        Come on a handful, a long time ago someone from the forum gave data on the number of officials in the USSR and today's RUSSIA.
        Surprisingly, in the Soviet state there were significantly fewer than now.
        Can you feed such an "army"? Where does the normal salary for hard workers come from?
        All on them "favorite" leaves! This is despite the fact that we pump gas and oil and export timber in trains!
        Captain Vrungel (1Good day to you, dear. hi
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 28 September 2013 12: 46
          13
          Good day, Arberes. Mutually. drinks
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 28 September 2013 08: 58
      +9
      Quote: Kibalchish
      That is the question. Because of our "effective" government and president, the economy has entered a period of stagnation, or even recession.
      People do not feel the soil under their feet, do not feel protected. What kind of investment and innovation are there in this atmosphere? So the capitals ran, and the brains followed. Until the power changes, we will stagnate.

      In China, bureaucrats shoot hundreds and property is confiscated, while in our country thieves pass laws. Will they accept them against themselves? NEVER! Serdyukov and his woman are free and there are likely to remain. All money for all projects is stolen, and then go over the hill. No one is responsible for anything. The untouchable apparatus of the judiciary and prosecutor ... In short, until the authorities change, everything will only get worse. Alas. But only revolution can change everything radically, and for us it can result in the collapse of the country. Therefore, a leader with a conscience and love for the motherland or a military coup. But most likely stagnation and ....... And the stolen people will be dumped in England.
      1. lucidlook
        lucidlook 28 September 2013 12: 35
        -3
        Quote: Mitek
        In short, until the power changes, everything will only get worse. Alas. But only revolution can change everything radically, and for us it can result in the collapse of the country. Therefore, a leader with a conscience and love for the motherland or a military coup. But most likely stagnation and ....... And the stolen people will be dumped in England.

        So I didn’t understand, how do you like more .. there’s a country - in parts or in full?

        Or, again, are we waiting for the Hero, whom we will again carry in our arms, and then water with slop?

        "
        No one will give us deliverance:
        Neither god, nor king, nor hero.
        We will achieve liberation
        With his own hand.
        So that the thief returns to us everything that he took,
        So that the spirit of the prison is gone forever
        We will forge iron with heat,
        While the metal is still hot.

        Power is oppressive, the law is just a mask,
        Taxes stifle unbearable.
        No one rich pointer
        And the poor have no rights. "


        ... and hereinafter.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 28 September 2013 13: 18
          +1
          "So I don’t understand how you like to waste the country more - in parts or in full?" Do you suggest waiting for these effective managers to start thinking about the people?) After they openly destroyed the country? When you finally understand that we are not slaves, this is our country, the government is the servants of the people, and if they usurped it and do not listen to us, why should we keep them? Stop thinking like slaves
          1. lucidlook
            lucidlook 28 September 2013 13: 33
            0
            Quote: New Russia
            Do you offer to wait

            What I propose, I have indicated with words from the hymn of the International. I suppose you know him well?
    3. Airman
      Airman 28 September 2013 11: 10
      +2
      Quote: Kibalchish
      That is the question. Because of our "effective" government and president, the economy has entered a period of stagnation, or even recession.
      People do not feel the soil under their feet, do not feel protected. What kind of investment and innovation are there in this atmosphere? So the capitals ran, and the brains followed. Until the power changes, we will stagnate.

      In order for science to develop, money must be invested in it, and not to reform the RAS under the leadership of "effective managers" who will leave only horns and legs from science. With the collapse of its scientific potential, Russia will become a raw material "appendage" of the West.
    4. Yun Klob
      Yun Klob 28 September 2013 12: 40
      0
      Listen to the advice of professional professionals this past century. Now we need to attract even more relatives and classmates to innovation, then what will happen is! wassat
    5. Turbo 253
      Turbo 253 28 September 2013 13: 08
      +1
      ----------------
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 28 September 2013 07: 22
    +3
    The Chinese do not understand anything. Our miracle thinker Chubais reformed energy, and at the same time, as he promised, it became much cheaper, now it creates a reserve for a technical breakthrough in a fragmentation-fragmented. In a word, cheers.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 28 September 2013 08: 20
      21
      The speculator, reseller and thief in one person appeared, however. Power is called. Managers of wild capitalism.
  3. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 28 September 2013 07: 25
    +9
    While the redhead in Sklokovo is in charge, we’ll continue to master financing by stomping on the spot ..
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 28 September 2013 13: 23
      +4
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5RuZTpc4fI Путин защищает Чубайса.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 18: 18
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      While the redhead in Sklokovo is in charge, we’ll continue to master financing by stomping on the spot ..

      Some would only want to write, but how it is written corresponds to reality - well ...
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 28 September 2013 07: 25
    +7
    hi Interviewed experts find several reasons for Russia's lag in the innovation sector. - there is one reason and this is corruption, toughening of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - that’s where you need to start.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 18: 20
      +4
      Quote: Valery Neon
      toughening of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - that’s where you need to start.

      Yes, relax already -
  5. Lindon
    Lindon 28 September 2013 07: 29
    +7
    It has long been clear that the "course to the west" was chosen by Gorbachev and that it is continuing now is destructive.
    The "Chinese way" is more effective, no matter how Western experts criticize it.
    It’s time to copy the reforms from the Chinese.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 28 September 2013 07: 46
      0
      So who criticizes? Who doesn’t like it. But this does not mean at all that what is criticized is bad
    2. atalef
      atalef 28 September 2013 08: 16
      17
      Quote: Lindon
      It has long been clear that the "course to the west" was chosen by Gorbachev and that it is continuing now is destructive.

      Gorbachov has been in power for 23 years. Enough of all the bumps on him. During this time, it was possible to rebuild everything 100 times. I was born 24 years after the Second World War, the country by this time was already quite rebuilt, and no one blamed Hitler.
      Stop living already blaming everyone for their own failures, from Tsar Gorokh, the Jews and Gorbachev. Maybe it's time to ask yourself? Or the current government?
      1. tomket
        tomket 28 September 2013 13: 24
        +1
        it's time to ask Kudrin, Siluanov, Ulyukaev, Medvedev. And Putin, if he knows that lead is not poured from shit, then why does Medvedev keep the team alive? He wants to try on the laurels of Nicholas II on himself?
        1. alone
          alone 28 September 2013 20: 22
          0
          Quote: tomket
          , if he knows that lead is not poured from shit, then why does Medvedev keep the team alive?


          he is an effective manager of this very team.
      2. Rumata
        Rumata 28 September 2013 15: 35
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        Gorbachov has been in power for 23 years. Enough of all the bumps on him. During this time, it was possible to rebuild everything 100 times. I was born 24 years after the Second World War, the country by this time was already quite rebuilt, and no one blamed Hitler.

        And Germany, for example, over 40 years, twice got up from such a threshing floor that Russia never dreamed of. There is also capitalism, but somehow they were able to return to the top five twice in half a century in everything, from science and industry to medicine. The main thing is not where (capitalism, socialism), but the main thing is how ...
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 18: 36
      +4
      Quote: Lindon
      It’s time to copy the reforms from the Chinese.

      You don’t have to copy anything from anyone - 2/3 of the Chinese population is in the ass, and the welfare of the West is a reflection of the socialist system to the peak of the socialist system.

      Any reforms are the result of the goal - if the Union set goals for the welfare of the citizen and the self-sufficiency of the state, then in Russia the goals are determined by the welfare of the nomenclature and integration into the global world order.

      The cause of the effects currently observed are the goals set.
  6. Indifferent
    Indifferent 28 September 2013 07: 40
    +8
    Our innovative money goes mainly to salaries of officials involved in them. In this situation, we will continue to sit where we are sitting!
  7. AX
    AX 28 September 2013 07: 48
    0
    East is a delicate matter ... Whales are not so simple ...
  8. the polar
    the polar 28 September 2013 07: 49
    +9
    With the destruction of the Russian Academy of Sciences, a tried and tested method of "reforming", the degradation of the innovation industry will become irreversible. With the destruction of science, everything else, including the army, will rot by itself.
  9. Normal
    Normal 28 September 2013 07: 51
    14
    Russian innovation model collapses

    And what in Russia, besides the technology of maintaining power, does not fail?
    For whatever the current ones are indignant, it all ends with a cut of funds, theft and personal gain.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 28 September 2013 08: 00
      +4
      Quote: Normal
      that in Russia, besides the technology of preserving power, it does not crash?
      Belief in a good king.
  10. rpek32
    rpek32 28 September 2013 07: 51
    +2
    Hmm, the time will come and we will have to learn from the Chinese if we don’t start thinking ourselves request
  11. andrei332809
    andrei332809 28 September 2013 07: 58
    10
    yes shrapnel, probably immediately created for drank money and the organization of new bread places for bureaucrats
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 28 September 2013 08: 46
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      shrapnel
      Andrey, the first time I heard this "turn" from you, even if you are not Pushkin to this word, then Alexander Sergeevich for me is certainly youdrinks
      1. bask
        bask 28 September 2013 08: 56
        +5
        Quote: andrei332809
        New bakery places for bureaucrats

        Quote: Thunderbolt
        then Alexander Sergeevich for me

        Good morning, namesake, Stormbreaker.
        Andryukh well formulated. Stormbreaker of course exaggerated.
        After all, Pushkin: our everything. good
        Rather, more suited to A. Tolstoy with his Pinocchio. Such wooden innovations, with Skolkovo, sawed into billions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$.
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 28 September 2013 09: 02
          +4
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Andrey, for the first time I heard this "turn" from you,

          hi Lyokh! just tired of such a primitive bred. transplant the entire leadership, maybe they will raise their qualifications behind bars.
          Quote: bask
          Good morning, namesake

          Andrei, and you can’t get sick hi! glad to "see" you both.
          Py.Sy.I have a birthday today, congratulations are accepted
          nano
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 28 September 2013 09: 38
            +2
            Andryusha, may your bright path illuminate not only the light of stars, but also the beating of friendly hearts drinks as I found out, so it also began to beat merrily. Congratulations!
            1. andrei332809
              andrei332809 28 September 2013 09: 43
              +2
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              .CONGRATULATIONS!

              thanks, accepted! drinks
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 28 September 2013 10: 17
                +2
                I have cleared the fairway for you, act wherever you want today, salute torpedoes "for battle!"
          2. bask
            bask 28 September 2013 13: 47
            +2
            Quote: andrei332809
            Py.Sy.I have a birthday today, congratulations are accepted

            Happy Birthday good drinks .
            Andrei, God forbid, you health and your family !!!!
            The rest is coming.
            Purely manly. A gift.
          3. Russ69
            Russ69 28 September 2013 13: 54
            +2
            Quote: andrei332809
            Py.Sy.I have a birthday today, congratulations are accepted
            nano

            Happy B-day!!! Good luck !!! drinks
            1. andrei332809
              andrei332809 28 September 2013 15: 43
              +1
              Quote: bask
              Happy Birthday

              Quote: Russ69
              Happy B-day!!! Good luck !!!

              thank you guys!
          4. alone
            alone 28 September 2013 20: 25
            +2
            happy birthday to you !! wish you the best
  12. Siberian
    Siberian 28 September 2013 08: 01
    +9
    One gets the impression that Skolkovo is yet another PR campaign and the bucking of billions. For a long time, for a long time there have been scientific centers "Akademgorodok" in RUSSIA and they have quite a few inventions. Only as we have done, no one needs it. As a result, all these innovations go over the hill, and then we buy finished products under their own brand.
  13. 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 28 September 2013 08: 03
    -1
    Author Anastasia Bashkatova - Ispert
    Tamara Kasyanova - the name speaks for itself.

    ha well konesh RF in the ass, takes 2nd place in the export of military equipment, has manned spacecraft (unlike the "advanced" USA and EU, Japan) launches satellites to Iran, lat. America, the European space agency and many others, is building nuclear power plants around the world, from China to the Czech Republic ...

    Well, the PRC is better than the Russian Federation because iPhones and computers are collected there, it’s not worth even telling tales about withdrawing production from the PRC (after all, suckers are underway) because the law of capitalism is simple - where there is cheaper slave force there will be production in order to reduce the cost of production of an aligarch from the EU and the United States moved the DOS. its industrial capacity in China. India and Africa are not yet ready to replace China because the qualifications (large industrial production is not for Aboriginal people) of workers from these countries are much lower than among residents of the Middle Kingdom. China is developing scientifically ...

    Generally so

    - About the aerospace industry complete nonsense
    - about computers and iPhones, I already said about the law of capitalism to defeat China in the prom. confrontation, we will fail ... even if we lower our standard of living to ordinary Chinese, we simply do not have enough hands.
    - The computer and pharmaceutical industries were foreign in the 90s (this is about pharmaceuticals) and computers .. well, we are new to this, during the USSR we decided that computers were unnecessary for a simple Soviet man (like cell phones), that's the result. I'm generally surprised that we have export to computers.
    1. Apollo
      28 September 2013 08: 19
      +8
      I get the impression that Chubais was specially appointed at the head of the Nanotechnology Concern. The reason is that nothing was invented but only purchased from abroad. The question then was why the concern was created. The answer for cutting dough. We know the privatization of Chubais, nanostechnologies too, what else can we expect ?! winked
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 September 2013 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        what else can we wait for ?!
        A soldier of the Dzerzhinsky division with a Chinese electric kettle under his arm on the floor of our White House in search of "boiling water"
    2. atalef
      atalef 28 September 2013 08: 29
      +4
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      ha well konesh RF in the ass, takes 2nd place in the export of military equipment, has manned spacecraft (unlike the "advanced" USA and EU, Japan) launches satellites to Iran, lat. America, the European space agency and many others, is building nuclear power plants around the world, from China to the Czech Republic ...

      And all this is just a penny in comparison with export volumes, that the USA, that China.
      By the way, they noticed that the main money in the export component of China is pharmaceuticals, i.e. chemistry, harmful production.
      Computers, electronics are the USA, Japan, Canada. “They are not stupid.” Chemistry and cheap assembly - to China. High-tech production and development - at home.
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      Hmm China is better than the Russian Federation

      In general, like everyone else in the table. By the way, the US and the EU are better than China (for export)
      Shattered tale of Amer’s idleness
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      since the law of capitalism is simple - where cheaper is slave power there will be production,

      Precisely, the second law, it is better to buy raw materials from an uncle. and the final product (and value added, respectively) to produce at home. So more profitable.
      Or the 3rd law, why the heck to develop at home, introduce technology, and indeed it’s hard to work if the headstock flows from the pipe.

      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      India and Africa are not yet ready to replace China because the qualifications (large industrial production is not for Aboriginal people) of workers from these countries are much lower than among residents of the Middle Kingdom. China is developing scientifically ...

      But about India YOU are in vain. By the way, the following after China will be Africa. Remember at the time of the 80s, where did all the consumer goods and cheap electronics come from? Taiwan and South Korea. Now these countries (after the rise in the labor market and the advancement of technology) are at a higher level. China will eventually catch up. Leaving the assembly sites for Africa (and if it takes so long) - it is possible for Russia

      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      The computer and pharmaceutical industries were foreign in 90

      And in China, they simply did not exist. And as a result ? I will never believe it. that restoring the ruined is harder than building from scratch.

      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      I'm generally surprised that we have export to computers.

      it is not, this is programming
      1. Apollo
        28 September 2013 09: 58
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        And in China, they simply did not exist. And as a result ?


        right, the Chinese went even further ......... give them Chubais so that they nano-bolt on his forehead. laughing
      2. tomket
        tomket 28 September 2013 13: 28
        +1
        Ukraine has been outlined as candidates for the placement of European hazardous production, they will do everything just for the sake of it, if only in spite of Russia and to at least a drop to join high European standards.
    3. Normal
      Normal 28 September 2013 09: 17
      +3
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      Tamara Kasyanova - the name speaks for itself.

      And what does this surname tell you?
      After such a conclusion, what are all your conclusions?

      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      - About the aerospace industry complete nonsense


      Delirium is what happens in the aerospace field. Having a colossal backlog from Soviet times and funds like a makhorka fool, we are, at best, marking time. I don't even want to talk about "Protons" ...
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      and computers .. well, so we are new to this,


      How many years did it take South Korea to build an auto industry from scratch? And where is our auto industry?
      And in computers we are still "newbies", so 30 years and all newbies.

      So it turns out that it’s not Anastasia Bashkatova, but you scared
  14. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 28 September 2013 08: 10
    +5
    from the Don.
    The fish rots from the head! And not only people flee from this stench, but also capital. + Corruption. Recently, Zhirik inserted: edros: that they are thieves. But from them, like water from a goose! One idle talk !!!
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 18: 55
      +1
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      No wonder recently Zhirik inserted: edrosam:

      Zhirik and the LDPR according to any conditionally impassable law vote as well as the EP.
  15. bairat
    bairat 28 September 2013 08: 26
    +4
    here they are, the arbiters of fate



  16. Grbear
    Grbear 28 September 2013 08: 26
    0
    Russian innovation model collapses. Was there a boy?
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 28 September 2013 08: 34
      +3
      Quote: GrBear
      Was there a boy?

      It was of course. And conceived in the USSR. But now he is purposefully and consistently ruining.
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  18. intsurfer
    intsurfer 28 September 2013 08: 27
    +2
    Already received a bunch of packages with electronic small things from China. Because it’s 2-3 times cheaper than buying in our stores ... I’m not so rich as to waste money on small things that cost a penny.
    1. bairat
      bairat 28 September 2013 09: 29
      +3
      Okay electronics, we even stopped making elementary bolts with nuts, everything is Chinese.
  19. Black
    Black 28 September 2013 08: 28
    +3
    Good morning everybody.
    I must say that the productivity of domestic fundamental science remains at an acceptable level: many teams manage to publish their research in good international journals, many of our scientists are known in the world scientific community.
    High-tech products, which are the fruit of domestic scientific (and not just design) developments, are a rare object.
    This happens mainly because there is no justified demand in industry for the implementation of real (i.e., those that can actually be obtained within a reasonable timeframe and for the available money) scientific results. Cases when some “innovative” product is brought by the inventors of its idea directly to commercialization are very rare not only in our country, but throughout the world. And the author is right, China with its "assembly shop" is becoming a world leader.
    There are very few specific orders for a really solved problem coming from people who clearly understand what and why they need (i.e., from a competent Customer) in the domestic market.
    And no Skolkovo will help in this. Only one revival of the domestic production base can help.
    1. drop
      drop 28 September 2013 09: 40
      0
      Sergey, you have taken an interesting direction in reviving innovation. You can agree. It so happened that for family reasons I returned from Moscow, where I worked for 35 years at that research institute. who developed and he was in my charge once. Now invention is not the basis of innovation. To the management of enterprises this is not profitable, before it was profitable. Now it is profitable in the USA, China, Europe, but we do not. They accepted the Civil Code of the Russian Federation (4 part), but forgot to prescribe, specifically, the responsibility of managers, the Board of Directors, etc. for not introducing into the development, OCD inventions. Inventions are the foundation of innovation. If the President is able to direct the work of the Government precisely on the development of an innovative economy, we will be reborn, as it was after the 1945 of the year
  20. eugen-medved
    eugen-medved 28 September 2013 08: 36
    +2
    Skolkovo !!! For this alone it is time to expel this Mudvedev! And more similar "friends".
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 18: 58
      +2
      Quote: eugen-medved
      Skolkovo !!! For this alone it is time to expel this Mudvedev! And more similar "friends".
  21. mirag2
    mirag2 28 September 2013 08: 42
    +4
    Well, here’s Chubais, Chubais. At first, too, they shouted-Serdyukov, Serdyukov-well, they shot him, but there isn’t even a criminal case against him. And I don’t believe that he would turn out to be such a criminal genius. Especially with our laws that allow a little if not any for Corvalol as a drug to pull. Do not want to.
    And as Putin says, it will be so, and right away! So he doesn’t speak! Is that why ??? And with Chubais the same topic. If Putin only hinted, he would sit. But he is silent. Do you think he doesn’t know that it’s a cancer hope the patient, that will recover! Knows. And why the state of affairs does not change?
    I do not believe that Putin is an underground billionaire, then he would not rest on foreign policy.
    But what is the reason for this, I cannot understand. We have a Jewish lobby, of course, but in other areas, I saw one Jew, a "teacher" from the conservatory who mutilated a girl with a wrong fit, it is scary to watch .. Back-S. Therefore, that they put him in there to teach children, but does not know how.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 28 September 2013 13: 35
      +4
      He himself is not a billionaire, but his friends from Petersburg all got hold of him, many say that it is necessary to support the clan of Putin’s security forces against the liberals, but what is better about these security forces? Yakunin, Chemezov, Miller, these are his siloviki, who became billionaires with him and all who had business with them say that they are thieves, and this is clearly judged by gas tariffs in the Russian Railways ... Putin would like to change everything, I wouldn’t bring to power those whom everyone here curses
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 28 September 2013 19: 12
        +2
        Quote: New Russia
        this is his siloviki
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 19: 06
      0
      Quote: mirag2
      And why does the situation not change?


      Because...
  22. Black
    Black 28 September 2013 08: 54
    +1
    “Seven academicians work in the USA, several hundred of our scientists are at a constant rate. The weather is done by those who are 35-40 years old. Over the past two years, ours have received a dozen very prestigious awards. Respect for Russian science. How long? Americans divide humanity into two categories of winners and losers ... And then - a cross. The great Prokhorov told me that without new instruments we will be able to maintain our position for another five years, no more. The situation in Russian science resembles a sign on the village council "Everyone went to the front." There are old people and children ... "
    Roald Sagdeev.
    Neither add nor take away ....
  23. Horde
    Horde 28 September 2013 09: 03
    0
    China is confidently ranked third in the world after the United States and a united Europe. This news was reported yesterday by Chinese statistical services. At the same time, Beijing confirmed plans to launch its own lunar rover in December 2013.


    maybe even the Chinese people will bring pin_dos to clean water, you need to lodge this sunhuvchay in the area of ​​the Amer’s landing and shoot what is real there, I think pin_dos will have a pale appearance laughing
  24. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 September 2013 09: 10
    +3
    The "Russian model of innovation" was created not for the sake of innovation, but for the purpose of embezzling funds. From this point of view, the model works great, but from an innovation point of view, yes, there is a complete collapse. I am sure that while Chubais is the main innovator, nothing will change.
  25. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 28 September 2013 09: 29
    +1
    When I found out that the redhead would run Rusnano, I immediately realized that there would be no use .. Chubais is an ardent hater of Russia (and he never hid it) He is one of those who stood behind the destruction of the Union and the plunder of Russia! And influential forces support him .. sly fox!
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 19: 16
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      When I learned that the redhead would drive Rusnano, I immediately realized that there would be no use
  26. 30143
    30143 28 September 2013 09: 57
    +2
    Ukraine is really a copy of the Russian Federation. But since it is smaller, the degradation process is faster. The Russian Federation has a lot of inertia.
    1. While there is oil and gas, no one will do anything.
    2. Until they work for 20%, prices will be higher.
    Therefore, do not twist (do not change seats) - there will be no sense ...
  27. Far East
    Far East 28 September 2013 10: 00
    +1
    once we all agree, our government sho thieves! I'll ask you: when will we take to the streets! and then all about "s" and themselves the better! hi
    1. 30143
      30143 28 September 2013 10: 20
      +2
      The nation has degraded. Scientific minds, engineering personnel are washed. Traders took their place in society. And this audience is all ....
      To marry them is no desire. People fleeing to Europe, America and China.
      Having become acquainted with your characteristics of the actions of the authorities, you begin to understand that the TS is a step nowhere.
      Europe is also not a sheep, but you can live there, even comfortably. And creative people and scientists will find a job there.
      Here with culture and sitting in the kitchen with friends over a glass, take your soul - this is not! And for those who are now under 30, our values ​​are a damn thing, to say the least.
      1. Far East
        Far East 28 September 2013 10: 32
        +1
        Quote: 30143
        To marry them is no desire.

        then why publish such articles! everyone already knows everything! it turns out all this kitchen "BAZARA" comments are all excellent all on this site are not fools! and if there is nothing not to do, then swallow this bitter truth and drink it with vodka, and not rage! It's a pity, but the time of the EXPLOSIVE is over! in a good way! hi
      2. New Russia
        New Russia 28 September 2013 13: 37
        +3
        "And for those who are now under 30, our values ​​do not care, not to say more rudely" You are mistaken, we have a lot of wonderful, sincere youth
      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 28 September 2013 19: 25
        +3
        Quote: 30143
        TS - a step to nowhere.

        Very much where laughing

        When the Soviet system was brought down, the collapse of this system resulted in the collapse of the USSR (without this it was difficult to make a "big leap / hapok")

        Now that everything is less or less settled down, to continue the process of globalization, it is necessary to unite (first the mosaic is assembled into large pieces, which are then joined together - it's easier)

        The goal is first economic and then political globalization, with the construction of feudal relations in modern conditions on a global scale.
  28. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 28 September 2013 11: 27
    -1
    <<< Russian officials support isolated projects like Skolkovo, while China is stepping up investments in its own research based on growing exports of high-tech products. >>>
    Judging by the latest scandals, to put it mildly, with the "misappropriation" of funds allocated by Skolkovo, because who rules the processes of innovation and the lack of results (one verbiage), the task of scientific discoveries, obtaining some kind of breakthrough technologies for the Russian economy, announced at the organization of Skolkovo is just a COVER - ROOFS to finance the white-tape liberal opposition, as well as, obviously, a fund from which the funds will go to the future presidential campaign of Medvedev - the main organizer and curator of the project!
  29. koksalek
    koksalek 28 September 2013 12: 18
    +2
    I’m going to learn Chinese, otherwise you can’t expect anything from non-rubber, except taking care of yourself and sweet speeches, and these narrow-eyed people are already nearby, and the population of the latter here is brighter than any sweet speeches.
  30. WIN969
    WIN969 28 September 2013 13: 12
    -2
    It's okay, we will still be the first, you will see.
  31. Troy
    Troy 28 September 2013 13: 24
    +5
    What kind of innovations are in the ass in Russia, we have one innovation - Medvedev with a smile of an idiot and an iPad in his hands, rejoicing at another like in social. networks. Everything is stolen, stolen and will be stolen by our binodrales. While we are sitting in networks and only trending, there will be no change.
    If someone hopes that Vova will change everything, that’s the way to Kashchenko. And remember, DEMOCRATIC METHOD OF POWER IN RUSSIA DO NOT CHANGE, even vote for! Thieves are sitting tight. And any opposition immediately merges into one pit with freaks from the swamp. And urinates corrupt media as the Kremlin scum want it. Only Russian and merciless, he and only him! And do not bleat that he is meaningless.
    1. Horde
      Horde 28 September 2013 13: 47
      +6
      Quote: Troy
      Only Russian and merciless, he and only him! And do not bleat that he is meaningless.

      Of course, a friend, but 282 Russians also overlaid, who knows how many now really sit on this?
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 19: 37
      +2
      Quote: Troy
      we have one innovation

      There is one more - Botox laughing
  32. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 28 September 2013 13: 33
    +1
    First Vice President of the Russian Club of Financial Directors Tamara Kasyanova. Just curious what kind of position is this? Who knows? But in general, the problems of innovation in Russia rest at least on their chief manager and effective part-time manager Chubais AB
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 September 2013 19: 39
      +2
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      In general, the problems of innovation in Russia rest at least on their chief leader and effective part-time manager Chubais AB
  33. Cpa
    Cpa 28 September 2013 22: 05
    +1
    What innovations, at least to restore what was lost, a bunch of technologies went to waste. For example, the production of high-speed tool steels. In the union there was a tool that allowed metal processing by 6 times faster than today's speeds and twice as fast as modern American ones. By the way, amers never what carriages can’t be sold over a hill. The list of technologies is huge: rubber goods, alloys for turbine blades, industrial pumps, deep-sea vehicles, hydrogen engine, rare earths production, steel electrodes, production helium production, simulators for astronauts, growing willow tea for export, fur farms, breeding varieties of plants, stud farms, marbled beef, sheep not trampling pastures, etc. All this was with us and much more.
  34. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 September 2013 01: 22
    +2
    China clearly shows what it means when people work for their country, and not for a handful of oligarchs. And in the USSR everyone worked for their country. And now the rulers are trying to convince us that we should also work for their country. But hrn them all over the face.
  35. maklaut007
    maklaut007 30 September 2013 15: 58
    0
    Skolkovo is not an innovative project. Skolkovo is Medvedev's task of officially selling our developments, for our money. In this he is greatly helped by world Jewry with a promissory note. But skolkovo crashed, because many scientists said it is better to rot under the cloth than to raise it. But the main reason is different. In America, quick money is in honor, this is the basis for business. Therefore, there any fundamental developments were torn apart in pieces and immediately monetized. In the USSR, everything was different. At the head were fundamental developments, but the Communist Party did not even think about everyday use. This is one of the reasons for the destruction of the USSR. Today the question may be like this. Russia is engaged in basic research and SELLS to interested parties everything that goes into the economy. To the same China, who begs for this. So we will trade in oil, gas and high technology products)) And do not be afraid of brain drain. Good will not go away. A true scientist does not depend on supercars. And the little things have come down, quickly degenerate.
  36. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 10 November 2013 03: 45
    0
    Quote: Horde
    Quote: Rumata
    And the fact that he is illiterate and stupid, probably the Jews are also to blame = (


    Well, finally, the kagalnaya help arrived in time, did they call or did the scent on the anti-payoff comments erupt? laughing


    No, we just breed you for comments, so that we can calculate and neutralize them in order not to interfere with our insidious world Zionist conspiracy lol

    Ps - your neighbor is our man, he irradiates you through the wall at night with a blueprint, be afraid - you will not believe that this is possible, but soon you will become even dumber laughing