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Libya received another anti-tank complexes "Chrysanthemum-S"

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Russia handed over another batch of modern anti-tank complexes "Chrysanthemum-S". A total of 10 combat vehicles were transferred in addition to the 4 shipped earlier. The first combat vehicles were sent to Libya in the 2010 year, even under the Gaddafi regime.


Libya received another anti-tank complexes "Chrysanthemum-S"


The transfer ceremony took place on September 24 based on Mitiga Air. The event was attended by the Chief of Staff, General Abdel-Salam Jadalla Obeidi and Chief of Staff of Libyan Ground Forces, General Yusef Abu-Hajjar along with the Russian Ambassador to Libya, Ivan Molotkov, and representatives of the Russian delegation.

Chrysanthemum-S is the most modern Russian anti-tank missile system and the most powerful of all existing in the world. The complex was developed by Kolomenskoye Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau, which is part of the Rostec holding “High-precision Complexes”.

Built on the chassis of the new Russian infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3, the mobile Chrysanthemum launcher can move off-road with equal ease at a speed of 70 km / h, as well as speed up rivers and other water obstacles.
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 28 September 2013 07: 16 New
    20
    I just hope that the “new authorities" will pay for everything, otherwise I’m tired of supporting everyone for free at the expense of my people.
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 28 September 2013 07: 19 New
      +6
      First paid, then set.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 28 September 2013 08: 25 New
        +3
        KENIG In Libya, the central government as such does not exist. And who will pay?
        1. 31231
          31231 28 September 2013 11: 03 New
          +1
          so it seems already paid.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 28 September 2013 11: 57 New
            +6
            Who paid? It seems that Russia is stepping on the same rake. Billions of dollars of bad debts written off ...
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 28 September 2013 13: 35 New
              +8
              hi
              Chrysanthemum-S is the most modern Russian anti-tank missile system and the most powerful of all existing in the world. The complex was developed by Kolomenskoye Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau, which is part of the Rostec holding “High-precision Complexes”.

              Well, and a movie on the topic in addition -


              Enjoy!
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            3. 31231
              31231 28 September 2013 22: 50 New
              +2
              There already flashed info about the agreement paid by Gaddafi. I don’t remember how much, but the Chrysanthemums were there.
            4. 31231
              31231 29 September 2013 22: 37 New
              +1
              Written off Soviet debts do not confuse.
              But then, yes, the problems of Soviet debts are relevant. Maybe Azerbaijan should instead of Russia take the entire foreign trade heritage of the USSR ?!
              And we would now here your government taught how to get out debts.
              1. Beck
                Beck 30 September 2013 01: 46 New
                +4
                Quote: 31231
                Written off Soviet debts do not confuse.
                But then, yes, the problems of Soviet debts are relevant. Maybe Azerbaijan should instead of Russia take the entire foreign trade heritage of the USSR ?!
                And we would now here your government taught how to get out debts.


                What heaped incomprehensible. Which foreign trade? External debt that is yes.

                And so that you, with aplomb, are not confused, I will clarify the situation.

                Russia in 90 years took over all EXTERNAL DEBT THE USSR. The Kremlin has proposed a deal to the rest of the republics.

                Russia assumes all the debts of the USSR, while other republics abandon their share of real estate abroad. And these are all the buildings of embassies, consulates, representative offices around the world. The republics refuse the share of "friendly" firms created by the Central Committee of the CPSU abroad. Republics refuse the share of some assets and securities in foreign banks.

                Russia made such a proposal, all the republics discussed it, and then made a decision. So that you do not need aplomb all by MUTUAL agreement.
            5. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 30 September 2013 04: 24 New
              +2
              we sell to those who have torn the Colonel, but that’s not all, very soon they will probably begin to create immunity from the “Chrysanthemums”, for a “carrot” for example ... after all, how to drink from Libya they will take away some of the cars for a “look” ...
      2. Hunghuz
        Hunghuz 29 September 2013 08: 21 New
        +2
        hi THREE previous ones were captured by the Mujahideen of Israel and transferred to NATO ......)))))) another kama is not visible then ???
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    4. marat1000
      marat1000 28 September 2013 08: 42 New
      -28
      America also contained us in World War II, without it we would not have survived that war. Read about leasing from the USA in the USSR. This is not just help, this is politics
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 28 September 2013 10: 14 New
        +8
        Quote: marat1000
        America also contained us in World War 2, without it we would not have survived that war

        And how does this fit with the delivery of anti-tank systems to Libya? .. What is common here and what is the causal relationship? ..
        Quote: marat1000
        This is not just help, this is politics

        However, a good policy is to throw off the latest weapons into a black hole! .. Are you sure that these ATGMs have not planned to “sew on their legs”? .. Personally, for some reason I’m not sure about that ...

        PS The minus in your rating is not mine ...
      2. Rusich51
        Rusich51 28 September 2013 10: 20 New
        +6
        Marat. When the amers saw that Russia was beginning to win, they immediately began to help us. And so they very much helped Germany, with raw materials and other resources. Their help only accelerated the fall of Germany and facilitated our existence (goods from America).

        Deliver Chrysanthemums to Libya - and whether they will end up in Syria. After all, Libya essentially does not exist.

        Bad news - - -
        1. Konsmo
          Konsmo 28 September 2013 10: 44 New
          +2
          In Libya, there is oil and it is sold.
          Further explain?
      3. Konsmo
        Konsmo 28 September 2013 10: 42 New
        11
        Amer simultaneously delivered oil and oil through Spain to Germany until 1944. Almost before his landing.
        America rose on the blood of Europeans.
        Profit at all costs their slogan.
      4. Sobol
        Sobol 28 September 2013 18: 08 New
        +4
        What makes you think that you would not have survived?
      5. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 September 2013 18: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: marat1000
        America also contained us in World War II, without it we would not have survived that war. Read about leasing from the USA in the USSR. This is not just help, this is politics

        We paid for this help in gold, and at the port of the sender. That is, if the boat with the cargo did not sail, call lads, your problems. So this is not help, this is what the Yankees say, business, and nothing personal.
      6. rolik
        rolik 29 September 2013 23: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: marat1000
        America also contained us in World War II.

        You forgot to add that the USSR paid for this help with full-weight gold bars. And the mattresses made good money on this.
    5. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 September 2013 23: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Kibalchish
      I just hope that the “new authorities" will pay for everything, otherwise I’m tired of supporting everyone for free at the expense of my people.

      For a long time, Russia has not delivered anything to anyone for free. What is surprising is how quickly relations with Russia were restored; less than 2 years have passed.
    6. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 September 2013 17: 25 New
      0
      Yeah. Warm love and friendly understanding
  2. Lindon
    Lindon 28 September 2013 07: 22 New
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    Is there power in Libya? Is there every field commander to himself a governor or not?
    How many weapons from Libya have already been transported to militants in Syria? These will be just right against Assad tanks.
    1. the polar
      the polar 28 September 2013 07: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Lindon
      Is there power in Libya? Is there every field commander to himself a governor or not?
      How many weapons from Libya have already been transported to militants in Syria? These will be just right against Assad tanks.

      Soon they will appear in Syria, with the bandits. Hooray, Putin peacekeeper!
      1. Konsmo
        Konsmo 28 September 2013 10: 47 New
        0
        A little politician will not hurt. Oil costs more than 110.
        And the budget spelled out 91.
        20 percent of budget profits are not bad.
        How many people are fed from the budget.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 28 September 2013 16: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Konsmo
          A little politician will not hurt. Oil costs more than 110.
          And the budget spelled out 91.
          20 percent of budget profits are not bad.

          Then Medvedev was going to cut costs by 5% ...
        2. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 28 September 2013 16: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: Konsmo
          A little politician will not hurt. Oil costs more than 110.
          And the budget spelled out 91.
          20 percent of budget profits are not bad.
          How many people are fed from the budget.

          Does something fall into you? I don’t ... The most interesting (attention !!!) is that the higher world oil prices, the higher our gas price! Our ruble is not only wooden, but also completely subordinated to the Obkomov machine ...
        3. alone
          alone 28 September 2013 20: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Konsmo
          And the budget spelled out 91.
          20 percent of budget profits are not bad.
          How many people are fed from the budget.


          and what benefits ordinary people from 20% of the profit to the budget. I think of the benefits of this only to those who cut the budget
    2. alone
      alone 28 September 2013 20: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Lindon
      These will be just right against Assad tanks.


      Do not worry. Against the Assad tanks, the fact that the Syrians left the militants is enough.
    3. Beck
      Beck 28 September 2013 21: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Lindon
      Is there power in Libya? Is there every field commander to himself a governor or not?
      How many weapons from Libya have already been transported to militants in Syria? These will be just right against Assad tanks.


      After a civil war, it never happens that a central authority is immediately, universally established. Need time. And everything will be established in Libya.

      Do you have data that official Libya supplies Russian arms to the Assad opposition? Most likely not, so why talk too much. If you have facts, then provide, it will not be hollow.

      And where are those who yelled that Libya, with the overthrow of dictator Gadaffi, has come to an end? What did she become a puppet of reptiles amers?

      If Libya cannot take a step without the United States, then with what way does it acquire Russian weapons, and not American? How does today's Libya contradict the policy of its "master" of the United States in international affairs?

      Most recently, official Libya opposed the air strike on Syria. And therefore, a joint press conference of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Russia and Libya was held, which sharply condemned the intention of the United States. How can henpecked and puppet amers behave like that?

      And how much foam was at the mouth - Libya ended. Libya exist, is improving the life of the state. With one exception - Without the bloody dictator Kadaffi. That's all.
      1. poquello
        poquello 28 September 2013 22: 31 New
        +7
        "And how much foam was at the mouth - Libya is over. Libya exists, it is improving the life of the state. With one exception - Without the bloody dictator Gadaffi."

        I wanted to put a plus for you until I read it to the last pass. I have a strong conviction that the Libyans lived better under the bloody dictator.
        1. Beck
          Beck 29 September 2013 01: 36 New
          -3
          Quote: poquello
          I wanted to put a plus for you until I read it to the last pass. I have a strong conviction that the Libyans lived better under the bloody dictator.


          On that and buttons to press. And then you say so as if I should sob or laugh.

          Of course, the general state of Libya is not right now. And what do you want immediately after the war to become three times better? They will restore it, then they will begin to live better. And then, just don’t talk about the conspiracies of Zionism, imperialism, aliens, the people did not want to live under a dictator. There are circumstances of life when a sigh of freedom (in captivity, in a yoke, with a dictator) is much more expensive than a piece of bread.

          Quote: poquello
          and secrets unknown to the west may well


          If there were secrets not known to the West then they would not be sold to anyone.

          There is the United States its F-22 F-35, which is full of secrets does not sell to anyone. Other EFs, please, just pay the money.
          1. poquello
            poquello 29 September 2013 22: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: Beck
            Quote: poquello
            I wanted to put a plus for you until I read it to the last pass. I have a strong conviction that the Libyans lived better under the bloody dictator.


            On that and buttons to press. And then you say so as if I should sob or laugh.

            Of course, the general state of Libya is not right now. And what do you want immediately after the war to become three times better? They will restore it, then they will begin to live better. And then, just don’t talk about the conspiracies of Zionism, imperialism, aliens, the people did not want to live under a dictator. There are circumstances of life when a sigh of freedom (in captivity, in a yoke, with a dictator) is much more expensive than a piece of bread.

            Circumstances are when you are being dripped, dripped and dripped onto your brain about freedom. I’ll believe that the people of quite prosperous (earlier) Libya or Syria rose by the sigh of freedom themselves. Who destroyed the social camp?
            1. Beck
              Beck 30 September 2013 01: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: poquello
              Circumstances are when you are being dripped, dripped and dripped onto your brain about freedom. I’ll believe that the people of quite prosperous (earlier) Libya or Syria rose by the sigh of freedom themselves. Who destroyed the social camp?


              What do you live with? Is it with relative freedom? Of all that you can do here and there, you have a Choice. All this is not in dictatorships.

              Social camp. The social camp itself collapsed. Because theories and postulates in it were incorrect, so wrong that the whole system created by force collapsed overnight. Since people did not want to live under socialism and forever wait for a bright future - communism. Two fragments of Cuba and the DPRK remained, as a warning to humanity how to live. North Korea is directly a classic camp - socialist. And the people there triumph over the ideas of socialism in poverty and malnutrition.

              After the Second World War, all of Europe was in ruins. The start was the same for everyone. And what? So in that Europe where there was socialism, the economy somehow developed. Where there was no camp, those countries of Europe came forward. Even in countries such as Germany and the GDR, South Korea and the DPRK. Both there and there are one people with one mentality, habits, attitude to life. And where was Germany and where is the GDR. And now South Korea is at the top of technological development, in the first line of civilization, and where is the DPRK at the moment. Tell me where is the DPRK? Or add a word to the adjective yourself - In the deep ... And in this deep DPRK will be all the time until she gives up her camp habits.
              1. poquello
                poquello 1 October 2013 20: 37 New
                +1
                Figase where you from one question carries. Anyway.
                Quote: Beck

                Social camp. The social camp itself collapsed. Because theories and postulates in it were incorrect, so wrong that the whole system created by force collapsed overnight. Since people did not want to live under socialism and forever wait for a bright future - communism.

                But was there any broadcasting to the countries of the socialist camp of all kinds of voices, painting the beauty of Western freedom, heroizing all fighters for tn freedom, trade barriers, moral and material assistance to fighters against communism?
                China when will fall apart? In two hours, in three hours? I’m talking about “collapsed overnight,” I’m not talking about the correctness or incorrectness of the regime.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 29 September 2013 23: 39 New
            +4
            Dear, do not blame the dictators of countries in which you do not live and will not live.
            Both Libya and Syria have nothing to do with the Russians - they have interests there. Before condemning those "dictators", look, and is everything all right in your country? Gas prices are rising again in the oil-producing country, taxes will become unbearable from next year, women have already raised their retirement age, utility bills have again raised ... This is where the dictator is, dear. Do not you condemn the Middle Eastern rulers, having a completely similar leader.
            Quote: Beck
            Of course, the general state of Libya is not right now. And what do you want immediately after the war to become three times better? Restore, then they’ll start living better
            - when? What are you smashing nonsense? Like an adult, still naive as a child. What a sip of freedom? In the same way, Starikov in Tahrir Square two years ago tried to convey to the Egyptians raging with joy that the overthrow of Mubarak plays into the hands of only those forces that, in principle, triggered this revolution. But the Egyptians shouted to him that now we will live! Live? laughing laughing Or fell into a regime of permanent revolution? However, I doubt that
            Quote: Beck
            Will restore
            but even if there is a leader who finally manages to unite and consolidate Libya, there will be such a democratic, gentle kind and liberal! laughing Let it be tougher than Gaddafi! In another country, it is impossible to restore, only with a strong hand. And why then overthrow Gaddafi, if this hypothetical is no better? And yet - why did the Gaddafi dictatorship manifest itself? Specifically. He shot people at stadiums, like Pinochet? Similar to you already Maduro, and Ortega, and even Evo Morales are recorded in the "dictators". Please, justify your nonsense about the “dictator” Gaddafi, the dictator of Syria, about Maduro, and Ortega, and even Evo Morales. I’m just now blaming you for being under the influence of primitive American propaganda, which is very embarrassing at your age. It is time to think with your own head, and not repeat the cliches about freedom and dictators here.
            1. Beck
              Beck 30 September 2013 00: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: aksakal
              Dear,


              I do not respect you.

              Quote: aksakal
              Before condemning those "dictators", look, and is everything all right in your country?


              Our authoritarian regime, as in Russia, does not spill blood.

              Quote: aksakal
              Do not you condemn the Middle Eastern rulers


              And why the site, how not to spread your own opinion. Take a walk past my comments, since they do not suit you. After all, you are not discussing, you are condemning.

              Quote: aksakal
              And yet - why did the Gaddafi dictatorship manifest itself?


              The fact that there was no elected government and gave orders to kill people, for example, to blow up airplanes.

              Quote: aksakal
              I’m just now blaming you for being under the influence of primitive American propaganda,


              I did not succumb to communist propaganda, and you carry some crap to me. And who the hell are you to blame me for anything, blame your mother-in-law. Here opinions are laid out, not blamed.

              And in general, I did not answer your constant libel, why did I become attached? Heads or not to understand that they don’t want to discuss with you. In general, I will describe your psychological portrait in haste.

              You are a slippery, servile person. You are where there are many, you are for those who are more. To show that you are for them, you’ll make a diarrhea of ​​words to the mountain, you will lay your mother-in-law, here I am, I am for you. These are your comments on my nickname you didn’t write to me you wrote to others. Like, I look so much for you that I do not regret my countrymen. This is from childhood when there was no determination to object to the court authority. Like that.

              And most of all you are characterized by a Kazakh parable.

              The man in the bath. I washed my head with soap with soap and squeezed my eyes shut as usual. At this time, the remnant slips out of the hands. While a man claps his hands on his body, trying to catch him, the remnant quickly slips into the intestine of a direct passage.

              Do not write to me. There, complain to others about me. Don’t write to me. To me on figs and on figs your experiences, on the side I bake your desire to curry favor, to me as an excavator a condom your opinions about me.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 September 2013 19: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: Beck
        And how much foam was at the mouth - Libya ended. Libya exist, is improving the life of the state. With one exception - Without the bloody dictator Kadaffi. That's all.

        In Iraq, too, under the BLOODY Saddam, it was bad? Read the statistics, in Iraq and Libya, in the process of regime change, hundreds, or even thousands of times more people were destroyed than were allegedly killed by these regimes. Gaddafi is a great man, and with him the distribution of income from the sale of resources was much more honest than ours.
        1. Beck
          Beck 29 September 2013 19: 56 New
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          In Iraq, too, under the BLOODY Saddam, it was bad? Read the statistics, in Iraq and Libya, in the process of regime change, hundreds, or even thousands of times more people were destroyed than were allegedly killed by these regimes. Gaddafi is a great man, and with him the distribution of income from the sale of resources was much more honest than ours.


          I read a lot of things in the Middle East and in Iraq and Libya in particular. Nowhere is it that during the overthrow of dictatorships people perished a thousand times more than these dictators destroyed under their rule. These are your golem FOODS. And if someone confirms something and provides evidence - PRESENT this article, and we will take a look at its reliability.

          Well, this is a million Iraqis who died in a worthless 8-year war with Iran, some more during the invasion of Kuwait, some more Hussein poisoned the OM. And Gadaffi is not better only in addition to blowing up passenger planes of third countries. And all of you are raspberries, if only you could put the West in your pocket. For you, a friend, any scoundrel, if only he would vilify the amers. Make a note of Hitler as a friend, he is not only the eldest dictator brother to his Arab henchmen, but he also reproached them worse than their amers.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          We paid for this help in gold, and at the port of the sender. That is, if the boat with the cargo did not sail, call lads, your problems. So this is not help, this is what the Yankees say, business, and nothing personal.


          Personally, the person helped the second in difficult times than he could. The second, at that moment, gratefully accepted. Time passed and the second began to blame the first for help. Here you are.

          America helped in difficult years and thanks. Together defeated the beast. So no need to bark. I can’t bring many facts, there’s not enough space, but I’ll lay out the main one.

          The USSR received aid under Lend-Lease, in 2008 prices, in the amount of 11,3 billion dollars.
          Deliveries from the USA to the USSR can be divided into the following stages:
          Pre-Lend-Lease - from June 22, 1941 to September 30, 1941 (paid in gold)
          the first protocol - from October 1, 1941 to June 30, 1942 (signed on October 1, 1941)
          the second protocol - from July 1, 1942 to June 30, 1943 (signed on October 6, 1942)
          the third protocol - from July 1, 1943 to June 30, 1944 (signed on October 19, 1943)
          the fourth protocol - from July 1, 1944 until the end of the war.


          And only the first tranche was paid in gold. OTHERS WERE NOT PAID. The military assistance included:

          Aircraft 22 150 Tanks 12 700 Passenger jeeps and all-terrain vehicles 51 503 Trucks 375 883 Motorcycles 34 190 Tractors 8 071 Rifles 8 218 Automatic weapons 131 633 Pistols 12 997
          Explosives 345 735 tons of Dynamite 70 400 000 pounds (31 933 tons) Gunpowder 127 000 tons of TNT 271 500 000 pounds (123 150 tons) Toluene 237 400 000 pounds (107 683 tons) Detonators 903 000


          In civilian products:

          Freight wagons 11 155 Locomotives 1 981 Freight ships 90
          Anti-submarine ships 105 Torpedoes 197 Radars 445 Engines for ships 7784 Food stocks 4 tons
          Machinery and equipment $ 1 078 965 000 Non-ferrous metals 802 000 tons Oil products 2 670 000 tons Chemicals 842 000 tons
          Cotton 106 893 000 tons Leather 49 860 tons Tires 3 786 000


          This is nothing for you, spit on you for everything. All this saved the life of more than one Soviet soldier, but he gave life to his generation. Maybe your life is, thanks to Lend-Lease.
          1. Beck
            Beck 29 September 2013 20: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Beck
            This is nothing for you, spit on you for everything.


            Americans remember the general struggle against fascism. And pay tribute to all who fought.

            In particular, they honor the memory of those Soviet and American pilots who drove Lend-Lease aircraft through Alaska to the USSR.

            There is the town of Fairbanks in Alaska, during the war it served as a distillation base for aircraft. So there is a monument to Soviet and American Lend-Lease pilots.

            Pedestal. Screw. On both sides are Soviet and American pilots. And behind them, Russian and American flags fly. And some more.

            There is no similar in the whole CIS space. There are only single, ungrateful descendants.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 September 2013 22: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: Beck
              Americans remember the general struggle against fascism. And pay tribute to all who fought.

              So now we are grabbing the full program, all that they give to us. Man, are you serious?
              In the photo with the monument, why is it not a red flag ... And the third is not the EU by chance?
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 September 2013 22: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Beck
            These are your golem FOODS.

            After the US invasion of Iraq, there were casualties among the population at the time of 2011. amounted to more than a million people. These are facts, not fiction. Regarding Libya, check the figures of the so-called atrocities of Gaddafi, and then compare them with the figures of the total casualties after the invasion of the United States and Co.
            Quote: Beck
            And only the first tranche was paid in gold. OTHERS WERE NOT PAID. The military assistance included:

            At the time of 1945 ALL DELIVERY WAS PAYED BY GOLD; Other foreign currency payments were not accepted. I do not deny the availability of supplies, I say that they were paid in gold at the ports of the sender. If there is other data, give an example. There are no lists, it’s not about quantity, it’s about payment.
            1. Beck
              Beck 30 September 2013 02: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              In the photo with the monument, why is it not a red flag ... And the third is not the EU by chance?


              There is no red flag because the USSR is no longer there, but there is Russia. The third flag is most likely the flag of Alaska.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              ALL DELIVERY WAS PAID BY GOLD,


              Somehow stubbornly. I brought you the data that only the first tranche was paid. This is in all sources, and you are yours again. Read the top comment carefully.

              In general, the first gold was loaded onto the English destroyer, which sank with the gold from the torpedo attack of a German submarine. And that’s all. Instead of drowning, no one asked or demanded anything. And the USSR did not provide anything in return for the drowned.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 30 September 2013 07: 22 New
                0
                Quote: Beck
                Somehow stubbornly. I brought you the data that only the first tranche was paid. This is in all sources, and you are yours again. Read the top comment carefully.

                Again, you are for yours. So, you say that the equipment was delivered to us for free? This is a lie, or ignorance. Check the total amount of Lend-Lease payment, infa in the public domain, it was after the loss of their ships, the United States demanded payment at the port of origin.
                American historian J. Herring writes: "Lend-Lease was not the most disinterested act in the history of mankind ... It was an act of prudent egoism, and Americans have always clearly realized the benefits that they can derive from it."
                “By deliveries from the USSR,” said former US Secretary of Commerce J. Jones, “we not only returned our money, but also made a profit, which was far from a special case in trade relations regulated by our government bodies.”
                1. Beck
                  Beck 30 September 2013 10: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  You claim that the equipment was delivered to us for free? This is a lie, or ignorance.


                  Not for free, but on loan and rent. But the subsequent debt did not match the payment.

                  Of the total volume of US Lend-Lease deliveries of $ 11 billion, the USSR, and then Russia, recognized, and then partially paid, $ 722 million, or about 7%.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  after losing their ships, the USA demanded payment at the port of origin.


                  There were no losses of American ships with USSR gold in nature. Provide evidence. I talked about the nomenclature of supplies and presented this nomenclature. I talked about the monument in Alaska and provided. You only put forward slogans.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Check the total amount of Lend-Lease payment


                  This you clarify your statement.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  American historian J. Herring writes: "Lend-Lease was not the most disinterested act in the history of mankind ... It was an act of prudent egoism, and Americans have always clearly realized the benefits that they can derive from it."


                  The historian Fomenko spins abruptly.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  “By deliveries from the USSR,” said former US Secretary of Commerce J. Jones, “we not only returned our money, but also made a profit, which was far from a special case in trade relations regulated by our government bodies.”


                  And what is this? Where is the word Lend-Lease. After all, by these deliveries you can mean anything. For example, the supply of American grain to the USSR in the postwar years.

                  Lend-lease was a loan and a lease. And the debt is not repayable.
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 30 September 2013 10: 48 New
                    0
                    Quote: Beck
                    Lend-lease was a loan and a lease. And the debt is not repayable.


                    Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR A. Mikoyan.

                    ... when we began to receive American stew, oatmeal, egg powder, flour, other products, which immediately our soldiers received significant additional calories! And not only the soldiers: something was falling to the rear.
                    Or take the supply of cars. After all, we received, as far as I remember, taking into account losses in the way of about 400 thousand first-class cars of the time, such as Studebaker, Ford, passenger Willis and amphibians. Our entire army was actually on wheels and what wheels! As a result, its maneuverability increased and the pace of advance significantly increased.
                    Yes ... ”Mikoyan said thoughtfully. - Without Lend-Lease, we would probably have fought for another year and a half.
                    - G. Kumanev “Stalin's People's Commissars Speak,” p. 70— Smolensk: Rusich, 2005


                    Marshal Zhukov.

                    Now they say that the Allies never helped us ... But it cannot be denied that the Americans drove so many materials without which we could not build up our reserves and could not continue the war ... We did not have explosives, gunpowder. There was nothing to equip rifle cartridges. The Americans really helped us out with gunpowder, explosives. And how much they drove us to sheet steel! How could we quickly set up tank production if it weren’t for American steel help? And now they present the matter in such a way that we had all of this in abundance.
                    ... Without American trucks, we would have nothing to drag our artillery.
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 30 September 2013 12: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: Beck
                    There were no losses of American ships with USSR gold in nature. Provide evidence.

                    Quote: Beck
                    In general, the first gold was loaded onto the English destroyer, which sank with the gold from the torpedo attack of a German submarine.

                    You answered yourself.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 30 September 2013 19: 31 New
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Quote: Beck
                      In general, the first gold was loaded onto the English destroyer, which sank with the gold from the torpedo attack of a German submarine.

                      You answered yourself.


                      Ege guy, you're either not friends with logic, or you intentionally distort.

                      You said that the entire Lend-Lease was paid in gold. I argued and cited evidence that of the five Lend-Lease tranches, only the first tranche was paid in gold. The remaining deliveries are free, on credit.

                      You claimed that American ships exported gold. I claimed that there were no such ships in nature. I gave you the information that only the first and last payment in gold, for the first tranche, was exported in English the destroyer that sank.

                      And you CRANED, this single English ship you attribute to many American ships. Probably in 1941 in the USSR there was no gold worth 11 billion dollars.

                      In general, you are discussing with the transition to FALSE. So lie to yourself, quietly talk to yourself.
    4. 31231
      31231 28 September 2013 22: 52 New
      0
      So Gaddafi had tanks and planes and the first batch of Chrysanthemums. Have you seen them in Syria?
      1. alone
        alone 29 September 2013 21: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: 31231
        So Gaddafi had tanks and planes and the first batch of Chrysanthemums. Have you seen them in Syria?


        fear has big eyes. why drag tanks from Libya if there is such a good bulk in Syria. as you can see from the video reports, the heavy weapons of the militants are just the same from the arsenals of the Syrian army
        1. 31231
          31231 29 September 2013 22: 21 New
          0
          Do you even look at what comment I am writing the answer. And then we read the comment, but to whom it is and what is the meaning, they did not even bother to find out.
          . Why tanks to drag from Libya, if in Syria such goods in bulk

          here is my comment on how to drag chrysanthemums from Libya to Syria is stupid. And I have not yet seen them there on a video from Syria.
          1. alone
            alone 29 September 2013 22: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: 31231
            Do you even look at what comment I am writing the answer. And then we read the comment, but to whom it is and what is the meaning, they did not even bother to find out.


            but I wrote how to support you))) and not to blame you for something))) hi

            I don’t know how with that forum member who was afraid of the appearance of chrysanthemums in Syria, we have enough people on the forum who are not friends with geography)) one even recently called Syria a border country with Russia
  3. Alikovo
    Alikovo 28 September 2013 07: 25 New
    +7
    half will probably go to Syria, one instance will study the west.
    1. alma
      alma 28 September 2013 07: 50 New
      11
      Three of the first batch have already been captured by militants and studied by Western experts.
      1. Beck
        Beck 28 September 2013 22: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: Alikovo
        one copy will study the west.


        Quote: alma
        Three of the first batch have already been captured by militants and studied by Western experts.


        Well, what are you doing? Government of Russia, Ministry of Defense of Russia, SVR, FSB, Russian defense industry, Russian defense science in general keep it up ...

        If the weapon is delivered abroad, then it CANNOT BE the know-how of the latest developments, which are a military secret not known to the West.

        All weapons of the Chrysanthemum, all its control systems, electronic systems, (the principle of their action) are similar to Western systems. Maybe a little better or a little worse. But such a thing that is not in the military practice of the West can not be there by definition.
        1. poquello
          poquello 28 September 2013 23: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Beck
          Quote: Alikovo
          one copy will study the west.


          Quote: alma
          Three of the first batch have already been captured by militants and studied by Western experts.


          Well, what are you doing? Government of Russia, Ministry of Defense of Russia, SVR, FSB, Russian defense industry, Russian defense science in general keep it up ...

          If the weapon is delivered abroad, then it CANNOT BE the know-how of the latest developments, which are a military secret not known to the West.

          All weapons of the Chrysanthemum, all its control systems, electronic systems, (the principle of their action) are similar to Western systems. Maybe a little better or a little worse. But such a thing that is not in the military practice of the West can not be there by definition.


          he cannot do the latest developments, and it may well have secrets unknown to the west. The principles have changed since the days of the USSR, we are in the market, and very old junk is sold only well-established. The chrysanthemum was commissioned in 2004 - now 2013, four in 2010 were supposed to leave for Libya. If the chrysanthemum is the best on the market right now, it’s stupid not to sell it and wait until the bourgeois begin to promote theirs like that.
  4. 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 28 September 2013 07: 44 New
    10
    Why the hell are we passing the latest technology to the bearded? There was a contract with Gaddafi, he was killed ... all the bastions of Gaddafi no-terminate the contract. And we can also put equipment in the troops.
    The Russian Federation has only 10 of these complexes, and the Wahhabis from Libya already have 14 how did the pancake happen?
    1. Apollo
      28 September 2013 07: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      Why the hell are we passing the latest technology to the bearded?


      quote-Russia handed over the next batch of modern anti-tank systems "Chrysanthemum-S". In total, 10 combat vehicles were transferred in addition to the 4 delivered earlier. The first combat vehicles were sent to Libya in the 2010 year, even under the Gaddafi regime.

      The answer lies in this proposal, we are talking about previous agreements. The question is, will new agreements be concluded ?! winked
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 28 September 2013 08: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        we are talking about previous agreements


        it’s about the former, the new government in Libya is a short-lived politician of Gaddafi and Wahhabis in general.

        Quote: Apollon
        The question is whether new agreements will be concluded ?!


        God forbid ... although our hucksters just to sell.
        1. Rusich51
          Rusich51 28 September 2013 10: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          God forbid ... although our hucksters just to sell.


          For them, one medicine count. Because of the dough they will go to any meanness.
          1. Konsmo
            Konsmo 28 September 2013 10: 56 New
            +3
            Actually, our children are taught this loot, and you are being treated and a lot of things, and even the army and police are supported. And the more dough the tastier for Russia.
            Mudats ... e trills that will be stolen, the question is not for sellers.
            You have rudimentary knowledge in economics.
            The last 10 thousand years to sell products of their labor has been profitable.
    2. Konsmo
      Konsmo 28 September 2013 10: 50 New
      +2
      But will you pay wages to Kolomna workers? Nature or what?
      There is no tomorrow’s state order today. It’s always profitable to change oil technology.
      1. Heccrbq .2
        Heccrbq .2 29 September 2013 17: 02 New
        +2
        Do you live in this world, or do you sleep all the time?))))
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 28 September 2013 08: 00 New
    +6
    Now guess where this weapon will shoot.
  6. SPACE
    SPACE 28 September 2013 08: 12 New
    +4
    If you omit all sorts of mercantile affairs, and the site in the first place is still military. I think the complex is magnificent, the future is with such weapons. In massive tank battles, if such will take place, although it is Chrysanthemum that changes the strategy for using armored vehicles. It can be assumed that even two to three times less amount of Chrysanthemums is an absolutely insurmountable barrier for the Abrams and Leopards and all others, including and promising land facilities! But I am interested in the further development of such weapons, in particular the creation of universal anti-personnel, anti-tank and anti-aircraft ammunition with a simultaneous increase in range, which would make the complex the main melee weapon.
    Z.Y. In the future, on the field, on the front line, soldiers who are not running and crawling and carrying everything on themselves should conduct military operations, but only equipment, such as CHRISANTEMA!
  7. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 September 2013 09: 05 New
    +7
    I wonder what problems are going to solve these machines.
    Someone in tanks gathered in Libya, or did Libya get together with tanks? Or they will simply pass it on to our probable "friends" for study.
  8. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
    i_vam_ne_hvoratj 28 September 2013 09: 08 New
    +8
    Dear colleagues ... I am not so much concerned about the performance characteristics of the complexes as the moral and ethical side of the deal. We were friends with M. Gaddafi for a long time, he built an oasis in the desert, paid his debts. We all supported him while he fought off the current masters of Libya. He accepted a terrible death. A NOW QUESTION ???? WHAT DO WE DO ???
    1. alone
      alone 28 September 2013 20: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      A NOW QUESTION ???? WHAT DO WE DO ???


      BUSINESS)
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 28 September 2013 21: 42 New
      -1
      The Russian Federation fought against Gaddafi along with America, only those in the air, and “we” on the ground and besides the Chrysanthemums were T-72, 62, 55, M-46 guns, the loss of Il-76 with an landing force near Sebha and much more.
      Now these Chrysanthemums will be mastered by crews and on BDK or by planes will go to Iskanderun to burn Assad tanks in Latakia. The technique is complicated, you can’t directly take it as an RPG, you need a training ground for crews.
  9. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 28 September 2013 09: 15 New
    +3
    Quote: marat1000
    America also contained us in World War II, without it we would not have survived that war. Read about leasing from the USA in the USSR. This is not just help, this is politics

    We would have survived, only there would be more blood. You dear read less sold hacks. If you read them, then without their help we would have long ceased to exist. hi
  10. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 28 September 2013 10: 05 New
    +2
    Gaddafi was not a gift. But it was our "not a gift" ... But what to expect from the new (pro-Western!) Libyan authorities? .. I think that is nothing good. In their country, too, they cannot restore proper order, and even more so in foreign policy. Moreover, they will always have a "clue" ...
    So I didn’t have any special joys about this contract, there is not and will not be ...
  11. kagorta
    kagorta 28 September 2013 10: 14 New
    +7
    On this site there were already photos of how anti-cadaffists fought on Chrysanthemums http://topwar.ru/13429-protivotankovyy-raketnyy-kompleks-na-gusenichnom-shassi-h
    rizantema-s.html. Another photo here http://bmpd.livejournal.com/83333.html So appreciated. And we just supplied them, so that the money would not be returned back to the contract to the "successors" wink
  12. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: marat1000
    America also contained us in World War II, without it we would not have survived that war. Read about leasing from the USA in the USSR. This is not just help, this is politics

    A controversial opinion, but there is some truth. They would have stood for sure, but maybe not in May of the 45th they reached Berlin, but a little later, but they would have certainly and possibly reached London.
  13. NKVD
    NKVD 28 September 2013 10: 31 New
    +3
    It would be better if Assad was armed. We have already lost Livia.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 28 September 2013 10: 59 New
      -1
      Money is all the same.
      Especially when a teacher, doctor, or lieutenant receives them.
  14. Gur
    Gur 28 September 2013 10: 55 New
    +2
    Yes, these Libyans had to be taught a lesson for gadaffi
  15. creak
    creak 28 September 2013 11: 02 New
    +4
    Interestingly, did the Libyans release our arrested specialists? Something nothing was heard about this? If not, then what kind of armament deliveries can be discussed ....
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 28 September 2013 11: 15 New
    +2
    And it will not be at all surprising then these complexes will be in Syria.
    And the Americans themselves paid for them through the CIA, and Libya is so .......... cover!
    The country itself does not exist, there is now tribal management and central authority in the capital.
  17. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 28 September 2013 12: 02 New
    +3
    Sell ​​your own horrible buy yourself horrible. Where is common sense. Or just decided to try Chrysanthemum on our technology in Syria.
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 September 2013 12: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: xetai9977
    Who paid? It seems that Russia is stepping on the same rake. Billions of dollars of bad debts written off ...

    I agree! Russia is a generous soul ...
    1. alone
      alone 29 September 2013 21: 06 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I agree! Russia is a generous soul ...


      mdyaya .. generous, not generous, but those who lost their homes from the elements, now in a telethon
      collect money by all the people. but the government seems to have no need at all
      1. 31231
        31231 29 September 2013 22: 27 New
        +1
        We carefully read the link, and not engage in slander.

        http://www.rosmintrud.ru/social/force-majeur/62

        To date, the Amur Region’s budget has already allocated 1 097 190 thousand rubles to one-time assistance to affected citizens and financial assistance in connection with the partial loss of property.

        According to the Ministry, payments were made from the reserve fund of the government of the Amur Region:

        one-time financial assistance - to 45 citizens in the amount of 946 million rubles;
        financial assistance in connection with the partial loss of property - 1 233 families in the amount of 61,65 million rubles;
        financial assistance in connection with the complete loss of property - to 392 families in the amount of 39,2 million rubles.


        And this is only from the budget of Amurka on 10.09.09/XNUMX/XNUMX.
        I understand from Azerbaijan it is more visible how things are now in Amurk wink
        1. alone
          alone 29 September 2013 22: 36 New
          0
          Quote: 31231
          I understand from Azerbaijan it is more visible how things are now in Amurk


          no, of course. where is the Amur, where we simply read various information and reason. about two years ago, we also had a powerful earthquake, where about 10000 houses and various objects were also destroyed. Tens of thousands of people were left without shelter. Large sums were allocated right away. to restore, and without any telethon, people were provided with housing that was much better than the one that was destroyed. It just surprises me that our and your opportunities are incomparable in your favor. Why can we do this and you have problems.

          P.S. everyone has natural disasters. And you won’t do anything about it. All that remains is to wish the victims stamina and patience. hi
  19. Pattor
    Pattor 28 September 2013 12: 44 New
    +4
    Something about 10 cars poured. 12 cars were paid for under the contract with Gadafi. 4 have already been delivered. The summer party left 7 cars, 1 left + still the commander.
    In our army, 12 cars already serve; they are regularly rubbed to a shine)))) there are no people in the army who can work with it !!!
    1. biznaw
      biznaw 28 September 2013 13: 22 New
      +3
      Why? It seems to be the other way around designed as simply as possible, so that even a teenage gamer could get comfortable in a couple of days.
    2. Djoker
      Djoker 29 September 2013 14: 52 New
      0
      In our army, 12 cars already serve; they are regularly rubbed to a shine)))) there are no people in the army who can work with it !!!


      Why 12?

      There is infa about the supply of "more than 10" cars to Ingushetia. Almost a year has passed, but there are no photos / videos of them.
      http://structure.mil.ru/structure/okruga/south/news/[email protected]
  20. avg
    avg 28 September 2013 13: 11 New
    +3
    I don’t know if they will appear in Syria, but I am 100% sure that the Amers are studying them in full.
  21. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 28 September 2013 13: 44 New
    +1
    It’s interesting, she’ll shoot and stands waiting for the rocket to fly. And will the enemy also wait?
    1. Snoop
      Snoop 28 September 2013 17: 09 New
      +2
      Well, depending on the situation, as you were told reloading, if fawn, then a quick change of position.
  22. Pattor
    Pattor 28 September 2013 14: 09 New
    +2
    Shot and while the missiles are flying, the next ones are recharged to the launcher.
  23. Brave
    Brave 28 September 2013 17: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: Rusich51
    Deliver Chrysanthemums to Libya - and whether they will end up in Syria. After all, Libya essentially does not exist.

    Bad news - - -

    this option is not excluded
  24. Ulysses
    Ulysses 28 September 2013 18: 00 New
    +3
    Incomprehensible delivery.
    In Libya, they have nothing to do.
    But in Syria they can come up.
    And do not guess on whose side.
  25. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 September 2013 22: 00 New
    +2
    The Russian military product needs to be protected. But in such countries as African, it is very difficult to do this ... But throwing money into the sand ... Russia needs to stop ...
  26. 1goose3
    1goose3 28 September 2013 22: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: marat1000
    America also contained us in World War II, without it we would not have survived that war. Read about leasing from the USA in the USSR. This is not just help, this is politics


    The fact is irrefutable, but initially America fed the Nazis, fostered Hitler. There would be no first and leasing would not be needed. stop
  27. ss25
    ss25 28 September 2013 23: 17 New
    +1
    I think 10 pieces of weather will not do. give delivery to Bani Walid)))
  28. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 29 September 2013 00: 31 New
    +1
    They would have armed Qatar with modern Russian weapons. Saudi Arabia already - there was built a plant for the production of RPG-32. Who else is there against Russia and its allies, Turkey, Jordan?
    1. avg
      avg 29 September 2013 16: 29 New
      +1
      Saudi Arabia already - an RPG-32 production plant was built there
      The factory was built in Jordan.
  29. nod739
    nod739 29 September 2013 20: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: marat1000
    Read about US leasing in the USSR


    Yes, a lot of good things were delivered, walkie-talkie cars aircraft, duralumin, oils, blankets, motorcycles, rifles wagons and even buttons. Undoubtedly, they didn’t have time to do the help themselves, but they paid in gold, and another% paid up to 2000, there was gold, and the capacity to make rifle machines themselves, airplanes, etc. - not enough
    America gained on this by killing two birds with one stone - partially received gold (although there is an opinion that there was only talk about gold). and also supported its industry.

    deliveries in quantity - not a little, but in percentage? - something about 4% (in some sources a little more) from what went to the front?
    and also from all that was supplied under Lendliz - more than half went to small Britain. and in the USSR something about 1/5,
    The USSR received various material goods at 2008 prices worth 138 billion (Wikipedia), is it a lot or a little during the war ?, the United States in Iraq lowered the first hundred billion in less than three months !!!, possessing high-precision and long-range weapons, without substituting yourself under attack.


    from wikipedia:
    ... if we compare the size of supplies of industrial goods by the Allies in the USSR to the size of industrial production at the socialist enterprises of the USSR for the same period, it turns out that the share of these supplies in relation to domestic production during the war economy will be only about 4%.

    I ask you to pay attention to the fact that more than 2/3 of the industry was concentrated in the central and southern regions of the country, which were under the Germans.
    I had to lose something, to evacuate something, to rebuild in the deep rear
  30. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 29 September 2013 20: 46 New
    0
    When it was necessary to protect the people of Libya, they were not.
    And now they are supplying the pro-American rabble of terrorists.
    Now all this will be with al-Qaeda, and tomorrow will shoot at Russia.