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Monument to the first defense minister. Monument opened at the Novodevichy cemetery

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Monument to the first defense minister. Monument opened at the Novodevichy cemeteryOn Tuesday, at the Novodevichy Cemetery in Moscow, the head of the military department, Army General Sergei Shoigu, unveiled a monument to Russia's First Minister of Defense, Hero of the Soviet Union, Army General Pavel Grachev, who died suddenly on September 9, 23. The creation of a bronze sculpture on the grave of Pavel Sergeevich is a joint project of the Russian Union of Veterans of Afghanistan (RSVA) and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. At the request of Lyubov Alekseevna’s widow, Alexei Ignatov, sculptor, performed the figure of General Grachev in full growth.


“The monument to Army General Pavel Grachev is a tribute to our respect for the combat officer, fearless paratrooper and patriot of Russia. Most of his life was devoted to the army, ”Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in his speech. He emphasized the purposefulness and high organizational skills of Pavel Grachev. “The hero of the Afghan war, Pavel Grachev, was remembered not only by successful military operations, but also by careful attitude to the personnel. In the book of irretrievable losses of the 103 airborne division during his command in Afghanistan, the dead were the least, ”said the minister and noted that Pavel Grachev had led the military department in the most difficult period of the formation of the new Russia and its Armed Forces.

In turn, the commander of the Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov, stressed that Grachev is "a graduate and a son of the Airborne Forces."
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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 27 September 2013 11: 09 New
    29
    For what monument, for what kind of "merit" ?!MINUS, not worthy.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 27 September 2013 11: 11 New
      28
      Apparently, for putting our guys in Grozny. What power, such and heroes.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 27 September 2013 11: 39 New
        11
        Good memory to the dead guys. I don't want to talk about the culprits. About the current Moscow Region, it would be better to pay tribute to the dead guys and to obey on behalf of the Ministry of Defense.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 27 September 2013 12: 18 New
          13
          hi
          It is enough to listen to the last revelations of Grachev a month before death - the conscience is tortured to see and everything becomes clear.
          On his conscience, the force cover for the collapse of the Union by the shame of Russia Yeltsin.
          Therefore, if there is respect, and at least some kind word to him, then only during the period of service in Afghanistan, but not after ...
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 27 September 2013 21: 57 New
            0
            Thank you for the video!
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 28 September 2013 00: 32 New
              0
              hi
              You are welcome!
        2. mejik
          mejik 29 September 2013 20: 02 New
          0
          Quote: zart_arn
          I don't want to talk about the culprits.
          About the dead or good or nothing. So for me, nothing is much about Grachev. But you can understand Shoigu too, a protocol event, that's all. From the minister to the minister. From powerful withoutpowerful.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 September 2013 12: 09 New
        19
        the following monuments to Serdyukov tol and his wife Vasily ... they have done so much !!!
        1. Navigator2013
          Navigator2013 27 September 2013 22: 25 New
          +2
          Just not in life, I would like to speed up, in fairness ...
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Sobol
        Sobol 27 September 2013 20: 21 New
        +1
        No need to hang the lives of guys on it! Grachev - a soldier, received an order - follow. Although Pasha Mercedes has enough skeletons in the closet, I advise you to look for the real culprits. And his words, taken out of context about “take one regiment” .. In general, read the words air and art preparation with the words - after this, there’s usually nothing to storm. Why, when the victory, so politics is in color, but as defeat - so the soldiers are to blame
      5. Heccrbq .2
        Heccrbq .2 27 September 2013 20: 28 New
        +3
        I laid it down, guys, read more literature, clever men, pouring mud on Grachev, not everything is clear in this world, not everything is black and white. 99 percent would put pants on this site if the same responsibility fell on shoulders as on Grachev !
    2. Trailer
      Trailer 27 September 2013 11: 21 New
      30
      Monument to Yeltsin
      Do not worry. The people at that time have a good memory:
      1. Beon
        Beon 27 September 2013 11: 58 New
        +4
        This mark (from the word-mark) is called a pillar of shame.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 27 September 2013 12: 17 New
          +9
          without a "Mercedes" does not look ...
      2. Rusich51
        Rusich51 27 September 2013 20: 52 New
        0
        EBN went down in history.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 September 2013 11: 28 New
      27
      Quote: Apollon
      What a monument, what kind of "merit"


      Not everyone probably remembers how Pasha-Mercedes promised to take Grozny in two hours with one regiment of the Airborne Forces. And then how many soldiers died due to this stupidity? And his words about "eighteen young men dying for Russia with a smile"? In August 1991, Grachev received an order to send troops to Moscow, but, having executed it, the next day went over to the side of Boris Yeltsin. And who then, by order of the drunk, shot the White House?

      This is a monument to the defector and put by the EBN team. And we must remember that.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 27 September 2013 11: 36 New
        +7
        Quote: Vadivak
        And we must remember that.


        Those who minus have a short memory negative good afternoon Vadim hi
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 27 September 2013 11: 44 New
          +6
          I have already spoken about this!
          Interestingly, Shoigu did not go secretly to Grozny to open the monument ?! I won’t be surprised.
        2. Pit
          Pit 27 September 2013 11: 48 New
          11
          Quote: Apollon
          Those who minus have a short memory

          They don’t have it at all.
          It has been replaced by “human rights” and liberal values.
          And yes, this person is worthy just to be shot west with his ashes from a cannon!
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 27 September 2013 11: 54 New
          10
          Quote: Apollon
          Those who minus have a short memory. Good afternoon Vadim


          And my memory is bad too, so I write everything down winked Good afternoon
      2. Beon
        Beon 27 September 2013 12: 02 New
        11
        the next day went over to the side of Boris Yeltsin

        Thus changing the oath. Apparently a monument for treason.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 27 September 2013 12: 24 New
          10
          Quote: Beon
          Apparently a monument for treason.
          Both the monument and the order "For Merit to the Fatherland" ...
          1. military
            military 27 September 2013 13: 59 New
            +9
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Both the monument and the order "For Merit to the Fatherland" ...

            "The cuckoo praises the cock ..."
    4. predator.3
      predator.3 27 September 2013 12: 56 New
      +1
      About the dead, either good or nothing! So Grachev was an excellent commander and mediocre Minister of Defense.
    5. alone
      alone 27 September 2013 13: 21 New
      +3
      it would be better if they put something so that it would be more convenient to spit. although to be honest, as the Minister of Defense, even spitting is sorry for him.
    6. honest jew
      honest jew 27 September 2013 14: 27 New
      17
      We found someone to put a monument !!! Yeltsin's mongrel and Judah, who betrayed the GKChP and went over to the side of shit, who plunged the country into chaos and poverty, we still cannot get out of this hole !!! One assault on Grozny was worth what it was because of this “strategist.” A monument should be put to Budanov And not to these whims of the West !!!
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 27 September 2013 14: 31 New
        -5
        Quote: honest Jew
        Yeltsin cur


        I understand the criticism of the deceased but do not accept insults at the deceased.
    7. Airman
      Airman 27 September 2013 15: 55 New
      +5
      Oh dead or good, or nothing, so ... keep quiet.
    8. Civil
      Civil 27 September 2013 16: 40 New
      +3
      And what immediately and his accomplice Kvashnin will not be erected a monument, what really is there during life ?! Just no words from such impudence!
    9. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 27 September 2013 17: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      For what monument, for what kind of "merit"?! MINUS, not worthy.

      Brother hi I won’t bet you wassat But on this issue in the near future we will talk in person am angry bully
    10. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 27 September 2013 19: 47 New
      +1
      It’s a pity the parasite did not die.
    11. Rusich51
      Rusich51 27 September 2013 20: 51 New
      +1
      From that cohort as EBN, I do not see merit.
  2. lelikas
    lelikas 27 September 2013 11: 10 New
    +4
    Why is he without a Mercedes?
    Z.Y. - a monument to the commander of the 103rd division would be a plus.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 27 September 2013 17: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: lelikas
      Why is he without a Mercedes?

      Still can’t calm down? or was he supposed to ride a tram or GAZ-12 after the last capital?
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 28 September 2013 01: 14 New
        0
        And I didn’t worry, I don’t know about you, but I saw him personally, and my attitude was in a previous post.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 28 September 2013 15: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: lelikas
          but I saw him personally

          Similarly hi And long before he became minister
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 27 September 2013 11: 10 New
    10
    What about the dead? Better keep quiet.
    1. Col.
      Col. 27 September 2013 11: 16 New
      19
      Quote: Vladimirets
      What about the dead? Better keep quiet

      Yes, they survived ... But the people remember everything. And therefore, flowers will always be on Stalin’s grave, and monuments to such “figures” as the EBN and this Pasha will be spat upon (forgive me, Lord ...)
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 27 September 2013 11: 36 New
      17
      Why be silent? About the dead or good or the TRUTH.
      And the TRUTH is such that Grachev P.S. In an interview, he himself said that after being removed from the post of Minister of Defense, he was afraid to walk down the street because of his actions as Minister of Defense, who didn’t really paint his military general.
      All the good deeds and qualities of General Grachev P.S. crossed out with his joint criminal activity with a criminal in power Yeltsin.
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 27 September 2013 12: 27 New
      +9
      Quote: Vladimirets
      What about the dead?
  4. fzr1000
    fzr1000 27 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +5
    Why was this event covered here? And about the dead either nothing or the truth (not to be confused with the tolerant-liberal "only good") negative
  5. major071
    major071 27 September 2013 11: 12 New
    13
    Not my topic, otherwise I’ll write such a thing that I’ll cure it from the site right away ...
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 27 September 2013 17: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: major071
      otherwise I’ll write that I’ll immediately cure the site ...

      It would be interesting to read. By the way, I wrote in due time and did not fly out request
  6. Trailer
    Trailer 27 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +4
    And where are the three tank columns leaving him in Grozny?
  7. Victor
    Victor 27 September 2013 11: 17 New
    +2
    Under his command of the Airborne Forces and hereinafter Min. defense, we saw nothing good. He was a better commander. negative
  8. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 27 September 2013 11: 25 New
    -14
    The peasant was normal, the difficult time was when he took over the post of the Moscow Region, and he alone cannot be considered the culprit. Three of his deputies were afraid to take command of the operation in Chechnya. He had to personally. And so the real man and son of his homeland ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 September 2013 11: 45 New
      12
      Quote: Scandinavian
      And so the real man and son of his homeland ...

      As one of my commanders used to say, pi..th guy is not a profession.
    2. Pit
      Pit 27 September 2013 11: 52 New
      13
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Man was normal

      I would be normal, so I would shoot myself so that I could at least somehow justify myself.
      And so, the same thief and vein, he also killed the people to the heap.
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 27 September 2013 12: 48 New
        11
        The man was normal, the hard time was

        Men at any time remain men. I was here the other day by a zombie player (it seems on Ren-TV) I watched Grachev whom we sent to Grozny before calling them someone “Mercenaries,” and, like, he doesn’t know how they appeared there, and they sent him his regards. .. Here they advised him to shoot himself ... Well, why, at least, just GO. And the fact that his deputies did not take responsibility for bringing troops into Grozny - they did it right.
        In our unit, of all the guys who were taken to the Tver Brigade, only one fighter came back alive ... These are the things.
        PS: It would be possible to consider Grachev a REAL officer if he, after the decision he made to storm Grozny, personally HEADED a convoy of Russian troops going to slaughter ...
    3. Whole
      Whole 27 September 2013 15: 21 New
      +2
      He supposedly gave the oath to the USSR Homeland ...
    4. 2я19
      2я19 27 September 2013 20: 55 New
      +3
      Deputies refused because of cowardice? Yes, not a single sane general could lead the operation. November 26, anyone who in their right mind made the right conclusions, and Grachev drove Maykop in full dress to the train! The tank is large, iron, the Chechens will see it and they will run away! We didn’t run away ... Anyway, the minister, who inadequately assesses the quality of the ministry, is either a criminal. Neither one nor the other monument is not erected. Unless the same, or criminals.
  9. avt
    avt 27 September 2013 11: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Scandinavian
    The man was normal

    It will not be enough for the minister. Now, if he remained in this rank or position ..........
  10. ROA
    ROA 27 September 2013 11: 33 New
    -17
    Controversial person. He fought heroically in Afghanistan, and in Ochkeria his hands were tied, and I really don't want to. In 1991, he saved Moscow from a bloody bath, and in 1993 did not succumb to provocations from the Supreme Council.
    1. mark7
      mark7 27 September 2013 14: 37 New
      11
      First of all, he is a traitor and a traitor to the oath, a mediocre careerist, and about the normal guy tell the mothers of the dead guys through his fault
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 27 September 2013 17: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: mark7
        but about a normal man, tell the mothers of the dead guys through his fault

        And at the same time, let them be told about them by the commanders of regiments and battalions who sold to the left the remains of a fuel of spare parts, etc. instead of engaging in combat training with personnel Now they are all the hero am And then they see if you were paid the salary, therefore, they sided with the soldier on the country. The main thing is to feed your miscarriages more tasty S. and in uniform negative
  11. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 27 September 2013 11: 38 New
    -5
    Quote: avt
    from if he remained in this rank or position ..........

    He was betrayed by EBN, at the behest of Berezovsky, because 96 was the year of the presidential election in Russia and it was not profitable for Yeltsin to keep the Minister of Defense, not beloved by the people. Hence the advice of Berezovsky to Yeltsin, to remove an unprofitable MO.
  12. TRex
    TRex 27 September 2013 11: 42 New
    -6
    And it seems to me that he and Boriska decided everything in a drunken manner, in the kitchen, crushing half a liter, or even more. Otherwise, where did this wild war come from, shooting in the center of the capital and other tricks ...
    I remember even Gorbaty got drunk when they took him out of Crimea by plane.
    But if the monument is still a general, a Hero ... this is normal.
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 September 2013 11: 43 New
    +1
    Oh deceased either good or nothing .. "God be his judge!
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 27 September 2013 11: 46 New
      11
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Oh deceased either good or nothing .. "God be his judge!

      How simple it is for you. can all criminals instill monuments in Russia
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 27 September 2013 11: 45 New
    10
    They laid a bunch of soldiers in Grozny, thousands became disabled, lost the war, a monument for his services?
    There is no more controversial decision than this!
  15. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 27 September 2013 11: 45 New
    +5
    Shame, he doesn’t need a monument but an aspen stake.
    1. mark7
      mark7 27 September 2013 14: 42 New
      +3
      I think it will be the same with the monument to EBN
  16. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 27 September 2013 12: 00 New
    +8
    The sculpture depicted in military uniform, but without a headdress. Where is the famous cap-airfield with a "rook of tobacco"? Shy about what?
  17. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 27 September 2013 12: 03 New
    +6
    There should be a place where you can spit a bad person in the face.
  18. bistrov.
    bistrov. 27 September 2013 12: 04 New
    +7
    This is a chameleon from the Yeltsin team. They are to blame for the collapse of the Union, for the escalation of the war in Chechnya, he does not have to erect a monument, burn it without a trace. And the monument, I hope, will be destroyed.
  19. sellrub
    sellrub 27 September 2013 12: 16 New
    +6
    I served with this "uncle" in the rank of senior officer. I have the right to say: as a defense minister, he did not take place. All the "miracles" occurring yesterday and today in our army have "grown" legs since the time of Mercedes Pashka.
    They don’t speak badly of the dead .... So I won’t say anything bad. Enough of those "warm" words that I said above.
    1. mark7
      mark7 27 September 2013 14: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: sellrub
      They don’t speak badly about the dead

      Well, they are telling the truth about them, or are generally silent
  20. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 27 September 2013 12: 48 New
    +9
    Maybe he was a hero by his youth, but under Yeltsin he became a Pasha-Mercedes (a jerk denounced by great power). It was unpleasant to see in the video how he refused cowardly from the guys sent to Chechnya two months before the New Year attack. Children died on the orders of this "six" (they say they were mercenaries)
    Disgraced the airborne. There is no justification for him for the subsequent "feats" and for the White House. And yet, the people have a high opinion of paratroopers, despite such generals.
  21. nemec55
    nemec55 27 September 2013 13: 14 New
    +7
    WHAT'S Nonsense ??????????????????????????? They choose themselves they live, they reward themselves. What kind of people can they talk about who do everything contrary to the opinions of the people. WHAT'S HAPPENING????????
  22. Normal
    Normal 27 September 2013 13: 37 New
    +6
    He’s also at Novodevichy ... no words .... decent.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 27 September 2013 13: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      He’s also at Novodevichy ... no words .... decent.

      Well, at least not in the new pantheon ...
  23. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 September 2013 13: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Oh dead man is either good or nothing.. "God is his judge!

    How simple it is for you. can all criminals instill monuments in Russia

    You do not understand me dear! These are my words:or nothing.. "God be his judge!" Mercedes Pashka "he will remain in the people's memory (well, I generally keep quiet about Chechnya) That's it!
  24. awg75
    awg75 27 September 2013 14: 16 New
    +3
    how many guys died in Chechnya because of the mediocre leadership of Pasha Mercedes ..... a monument to him with flowers ?? after such steps you begin to somehow stop respecting Shoigu. fearless paratrooper son of the fatherland ..... I want to swear ....
  25. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 27 September 2013 14: 19 New
    +3
    And to whom monuments are being erected ... There are simply no words.
  26. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 September 2013 14: 21 New
    +5
    This article honestly killed me .. wrote a neutral comment .. (minuscule and did the right thing) .. The power of such a sensation mocks us while testing our patience .. Gorbachev Yeltsin Grachev .. it’s symbols for our people! ... devastation is the blood of humiliation and the most the main thing is the tears of the mothers of the deceased boys! I don’t have any words .. More modest how to do it, well, I don’t know .. I remember how the boy cut and shot the head .. the lump comes up to his throat .. Who puts a monument to them ???
  27. RUSS
    RUSS 27 September 2013 14: 33 New
    -2
    Guys enough already, history will judge, the earth rest in peace ...
    1. Dimych
      Dimych 27 September 2013 22: 46 New
      +3
      and we are history and we judge
  28. pahom54
    pahom54 27 September 2013 14: 48 New
    +6
    Here is another indicator of the attitude of our government towards the people. In fact, the person who changed the oath in 1991, then became the Hero of Russia for hundreds of dead kiddies, today deserves honors and fame (albeit posthumously). Our rulers do not consider us people anymore? After all, they brazenly laugh at the people ... I think that Serdyuk, in due time, will also put a huge monument on Novodevichy ... Ugh on ... you know whom.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 September 2013 15: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: pahom54
      Here is another indicator of the attitude of our government towards the people.

      Absolutely accurate definition! good
      Pasha Mercedes, a "well-done" feldmebel, secret hero Makarkin on the one hand.
      They are great!
      Generals Rokhlin, Bulgakov, Baluyevsky, Colonel Budanov and others are not good fellows, the hooligans are not democratic!
    2. plebs
      plebs 27 September 2013 22: 05 New
      +1
      Essentially the person who changed the oath in 1991
      The man who has changed the oath in our country is now in the presidency, whose authority is to him and the monuments.
  29. pinecone
    pinecone 27 September 2013 14: 56 New
    +3
    The time of the monument’s opening is symbolic - to the 20th anniversary of the execution of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation.
  30. luxing
    luxing 27 September 2013 15: 05 New
    +5
    Someone here correctly said, it is necessary to put a monument to Budanov, and not to him ....
  31. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 September 2013 15: 05 New
    +2
    Time will put everything in its place .. I wonder whose initiative at the expense of the monument to Grachev ..?
  32. Djozz
    Djozz 27 September 2013 15: 26 New
    +6
    So, they savagely barked into the face of the living and dead Maykop brigade!
  33. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 27 September 2013 15: 39 New
    +3
    There is no desire even to talk about the lack of morality and morality of our government, one baseness, quackery and meanness in relation to the people.
  34. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 27 September 2013 15: 42 New
    +1
    Put article plus. Personally, I saw this chief in work. Impressions are different. I could tell a lot. But it will be out of place. I observe the principle: about the past or good, or nothing.
  35. uizik
    uizik 27 September 2013 15: 57 New
    +3
    Why is the first minister of defense? Did the history of Russia begin in 1991?
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 27 September 2013 17: 51 New
      +1
      And here I am either forgetting something, or come to my senses. It seems that the first MO was not Pascha Mercedes, but the "smiling Air Force Marshal" Shaposhnikov? And then Grachev?
      1. 2я19
        2я19 27 September 2013 21: 36 New
        0
        You're right! And before that, Shaposhnikov commanded Dudaev.
  36. Aydar
    Aydar 27 September 2013 17: 01 New
    +4
    Everywhere politics even the dead are harnessed here. This is an answer to Kadyrov for a monument to Chechen women.
    Although it would be better to put a monument to Rokhlin. The monument to Grachev should be made in the form of a half-starved and untrained killed soldier in holey boots.
  37. polly
    polly 27 September 2013 17: 30 New
    +4
    Ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant!

    ... You see, it looks like we're all going to die here.
    Midnight. Lowland. And the "perfume" at the start.
    What can I say? Yes, ride your horse
    Life that played a speckled card.

    Yes, they’ll pass us all like kittens,
    Without understanding - what are we? Who are we?
    Cards staff, sometimes, speckle
    This, bro, is almost an axiom

    Leaked us, man! Such a situation
    The Czechs were waiting for us on this rockad ...
    You know, yourself, that captivity is hell!
    It’s clear - you and I don’t need to go there.

    Maps are staff cards, they’re speckles in life,
    Silent deaths and lives.
    What do they, staff, two dozen guys
    Against a dozen greenbacks thousands.

    Sense them mother, du..ra..chok?
    And not such a rule bent!
    You know, Grachev heaped curly,
    Throwing tanks into the crevices of the streets.

    God is today - they are bitterly adult with us!
    Well, and to others? Remember my word:
    They just gave us up, like cards are dealt
    So, the euro will appear
    In the house of some kind of staff hell.

    Clearly, in your opinion he is a fag
    This headquarters ... Just slap - and the point!
    Only ... After all, he doesn’t know about us,
    Who are we to him? Just digits in a line.

    It's just that it's such a game
    The rules of the krap were originally laid down:
    You sell everything and everyone on “Hurray”,
    The main thing is to sell more expensive.

    Here, brother, at least noah, at least not noah -
    Everything is so twisted, the circle cannot be destroyed ...
    And rules the war and the country
    The new tribe - The speckled souls!

    ... Something I am getting off topic again ...
    How is it, nevertheless, with-, in Russian -
    Try to forgive everyone and understand!
    Pure lyrics ... Pure load.

    Stars are so low - touch your palms!
    It seems the sky is getting closer and closer ...
    Here it is! I hear the command: "Fire"!
    Time to die! ... Let's try to survive ?!

    Shah! We broke through. With you together.
    Somehow all this seems like nonsense ... but -
    Here is the firmament ... Here it is - we’ll bend the mountains,
    Dimly marked by dawn

    The battle is over, fornication begins.
    This alignment will trump cards -
    They’ll give us a medal on the snout
    You and I are, like, heroes.

    Yes, we still shake the rights!
    To no avail, clearly ... But how could it be otherwise.
    And grass will rise above the dead,
    Like the staff at the brand new cottage.

    You and I, cursing the goats,
    We’ll stupidly stomp, and maybe we’ll cry.
    ... How lucky we are today, brother!
    But nothing, there will be new surrenders ...

    yuozik wrote:
    Jun. 14th, 2011 12:43 pm (UTC)
    Re: Krap (Ruslan S.)
  38. Gur
    Gur 27 September 2013 17: 34 New
    +3
    Yes, he surprised Shoigu that he did not understand what resonance this action would cause or laugh at us
    1. Dimych
      Dimych 27 September 2013 22: 50 New
      0
      Yes, and Shamanov bent so badly.
  39. Ragoz
    Ragoz 27 September 2013 17: 57 New
    +2
    A monument in the form of an aspen stake would be a worthy reward to both Grachev and his benefactor Yeltsin !!!!!
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 27 September 2013 18: 02 New
      +2
      Pour them with concrete as a reactor at the Chernobyl NPP so that they do not jump back. And Medved, Livanov and Stool at the same time, so as not to be bored.
  40. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 27 September 2013 18: 03 New
    +4
    "... but also with respect for the personnel." It sounds like a mockery of those who died in the New Year's assault on Grozny and beyond.
    Regarding statements about a good divisional commander, a certain Hitler, too, at one time, was a good private soldier, rose to the rank of corporal and awarded.
  41. Jarserge
    Jarserge 27 September 2013 18: 55 New
    +3
    The monument must be put in a pool of blood, knee-deep
  42. theadenter
    theadenter 27 September 2013 19: 17 New
    +1
    "Not worthy" - to say the least.
  43. Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 27 September 2013 19: 45 New
    -3
    Yes, I thought there were several more adequate comrade-gentlemen. And here is a whole zoo.
    Grachev is far from an unambiguous person with all the pros and cons, but he is worthy of at least his comrade-gentlemen for at least his service in Afghanistan.
  44. 2я19
    2я19 27 September 2013 21: 33 New
    0
    Well, why do such things? For what? To show what? That Shoigu and Grachev once had a good relationship? I see no other reason.
  45. Navigator2013
    Navigator2013 27 September 2013 21: 43 New
    +2
    Yes, come on, guys !!!

    Where was the monument put? On the Red Square? Or in front of the MO building?
    He was put in the cemetery, on his grave!
    The monument was erected under a joint project of the Russian Union of Veterans of Afghanistan (RSVA) and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. And who about yours should be at the opening - the Minister of Agriculture, or what?
    And Shoigu well done that he was not afraid to speak at the opening. Such monuments FOR THE WHOLE GROWTH should be put on the grave of every soldier who died or fought in Afghanistan. Maybe they’ll start from him ...

    But something is silent about the fact that the best alleys of Russian cemeteries adorn magnificent monuments to thieves and bandits.
  46. Spike
    Spike 27 September 2013 23: 10 New
    0
    Count him aspen, for the boys who died almost immediately after the KMB in the 1st Chechen ...
  47. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 28 September 2013 02: 29 New
    +2
    Of course, he arranged for veterans of Afghanistan, but for the sake of completeness, they could have invited veterans of the First Chechen and White House defense veterans, some interesting electoral position. If I were a widow, I would immediately order a cover for these statues, who knows who will come from the uninvited later
  48. San Vasilich
    San Vasilich 28 September 2013 02: 50 New
    0
    Nndndddaaa.
  49. White Guard
    White Guard 28 September 2013 04: 27 New
    +2
    The hero of the Afghan war, Pavel Grachev, was remembered not only for successful military operations, but also for his careful attitude to personnel

    Grachev waist-deep in blood since October 1993. The executioner and the killer.
  50. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 28 September 2013 08: 47 New
    0
    What is now spraying saliva? a monument to remember, but it is necessary to remember, a board under the monument must be installed with a description of the deeds and merits