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Experts: "Terminator-2" will be in demand on the world market

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Experts: "Terminator-2" will be in demand on the world market



The previous modification of the combat vehicle was previously exhibited, but was not completely understood by foreign partners.

New support combat vehicle modification tanks Terminator-2, the world presentation of which took place at the Russia Arms Expo-2013 exhibition of weapons, military equipment and ammunition, which opened in Nizhny Tagil on Wednesday, has good export prospects, according to Rosoboronexport.

“Terminator-2” is a promising machine, ”Igor Sevastyanov, deputy general director of Rosoboronexport, told reporters.

He noted that the previous modification of the combat vehicle had already been exhibited two years ago, but was not completely understood by foreign partners. But after the first deliveries of this equipment took place abroad, the situation changed. “There were deliveries of“ Terminator ”to foreign partners, who showed that the car actually responds to its name as a tank support combat vehicle,” said I.Sevastyanov.

The fighting machine of fire support of tanks is distinguished by a high level of security, firepower and controllability. It is able to fight with tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other armored targets of the enemy, repel attacks of helicopters and low-flying aircraft, destroy fire installations, as well as hit infantry using grenade launchers and anti-tank complexes.

A distinctive feature of BMPT are all-protection protection, highly effective means of searching and detecting targets, an automated fire control system and multi-channel weapons with a large ammunition load.

In the arsenal of BMPT there are two 30-mm automatic cannons and an 7,62-mm machine gun paired with them, two 30-mm automatic grenade launchers, four supersonic missiles, a large ammunition load to the automatic arms.
On the first day of the RAE-2013 business program, foreign experts voiced the current trends in the arms and ammunition market, reports EAN.

In particular, Christopher Foss said that military vehicles would become more “voracious”, they would require more power. In general, military equipment should be all-weather, and manufacturers will be forced to move to the manufacture of hybrid units. Reliability and maintenance costs of equipment become more and more important factors. New active market participants, such as China, Turkey and other countries, set the tone.

“The development of the defense industry for the Sverdlovsk region is the locomotive for the development of many industries. Almost every defense enterprise drags a variety of areas, including the civilian sector - engineering, municipal engineering and equipment, medical technology, IT technology, ”said Yevgeny Kuyvashev.

After 90-s, the defense industry was left without personnel and retained the old machine park. From here, according to Dmitry Rogozin, and all the problems of the industry that will be solved in the next one or two years.
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 27 September 2013 07: 15 New
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    But the name infuriates me. Too many associations with the film, and indeed ... Really it could not have been better. Do authors have impotence of fantasy? Or did the name come up with the unfinished "creative managers" Serdyukov?
    I can’t say anything about the car itself - I only hope that it turned out well.
    1. Canep
      Canep 27 September 2013 07: 21 New
      +8
      The troops will call him Arnie. Unless of course it will be adopted with the same name.
      1. selbrat
        selbrat 27 September 2013 07: 52 New
        +9
        Quote: Canep
        The troops will call him Arnie.

        In our reality, until he reaches the troops, Schwartz will die a long time ago, and no one will remember him sad
      2. DMB 1995
        DMB 1995 27 September 2013 10: 00 New
        +6
        Knowing the Chest of our soldiers most likely he will be called "Thermos"
    2. bask
      bask 27 September 2013 07: 23 New
      +8
      Quote: Kibalchish
      But the name infuriates me.

      Yes, let them call what they want.
      Lish would be bought into the troops, together with BMO-T / BTR-T, thousands of units are needed. The soldiers in the troops themselves will come up with her name !!!
      1. Mitek
        Mitek 27 September 2013 08: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Quote: Kibalchish
        But the name infuriates me.

        Yes, let them call what they want.
        Lish would be bought into the troops, together with BMO-T / BTR-T, thousands of units are needed. The soldiers in the troops themselves will come up with her name !!!

        Basque, man, you still need to finish it. The combat module is still vulnerable. Missiles on it are not enough. ATGMs in urban combat are ineffective due to cumulative warheads. We need a suspension not under 4 missiles but at least under 8. At least uncontrollable "bumblebees". By the way, in the photo T1. T2 already has small bulletproof screens on ATGMs, improved visibility. But rockets are still scarce.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 27 September 2013 14: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Mitek
          Quote: bask
          Quote: Kibalchish
          But the name infuriates me.

          Yes, let them call what they want.
          Lish would be bought into the troops, together with BMO-T / BTR-T, thousands of units are needed. The soldiers in the troops themselves will come up with her name !!!

          Basque, man, you still need to finish it. The combat module is still vulnerable. Missiles on it are not enough. ATGMs in urban combat are ineffective due to cumulative warheads. We need a suspension not under 4 missiles but at least under 8. At least uncontrollable "bumblebees". By the way, in the photo T1. T2 already has small bulletproof screens on ATGMs, improved visibility. But rockets are still scarce.


          In whom or what are you going to shoot ATGM? smile 8 rockets minimum, you decided to make MLRS from BMPT? laughing
        2. Windbreak
          Windbreak 27 September 2013 17: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Mitek
          We need a suspension not under 4 missiles but at least under 8. At least uncontrollable "bumblebees".
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 27 September 2013 17: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: Burel
            ..


            The flamethrowers decided to gash their "crush everyone." laughing
      2. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 10: 02 New
        0
        Quote: bask
        Lish would be bought into the troops

        God forbid, such "happiness" !!! Absolutely useless shushpanzer.
      3. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 27 September 2013 10: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        Lish would be bought into the troops, together with BMO-T / BTR-T,

        good
        Yes, just to buy, finally, at least an installation batch ....
        Good day, Andrey.

        And discuss what?
        The article does not disclose the nature of the modernization of BMPT.
        Just infa about the prospect of the car.
        There is nothing to discuss.

        Now I regret a little that I did not go to the exhibition this year. Although few new products.
        1. bask
          bask 27 September 2013 13: 41 New
          +1
          Good day Alexey.
          Quote: Aleks tv
          And discuss what?

          Quote: Mitek
          The combat module is still vulnerable.

          The combat module, of course, is vulnerable, but it's better than nothing.
          Quote: Aleks tv
          finally, at least an installment batch ....

          I agree to all 100% good and already then brought in the troops.
          They ran in Dagestan, during the storming of houses, with militants seated. Then it would have happened, a real fighting vehicle, infantry support. Designers, they can’t design everything.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 27 September 2013 14: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: bask
            They ran in Dagestan, during the storming of houses, with the militants who were seated. Then it would have turned out, a real fighting vehicle, of infantry support.

            good
            While I see a normal bunch for the MO (not VMD): Tank + BMPT + BMO-T.
            This is from available technology, not fairy tales.

            But according to the line of Armata (when the BMP-T will be), the weapons module of the BMPT must be changed, otherwise duplication will result.
            What should he do in the future? You must first find out the "trunks" on the new tank and infantry fighting vehicles. About the assault "barrel" generally silent, but it is needed.
            1. bask
              bask 27 September 2013 16: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: Aleks tv
              About the assault "barrel"

              Here’s Lesh, another coincidence of thoughts. (I've been writing about this for a year now).
              How perfectly self-propelled guns proved to be on a tank chassis and tank warfare of ISU -152, St. John's Wort, during the assault on cities and fortified areas of the Nazis.
    3. j iz sibiri
      j iz sibiri 27 September 2013 07: 29 New
      +1
      he even scares all Westerners and Wahhabis with his nickname for this he was called

      and in urban conditions he seems to have no equal
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 10: 04 New
        -2
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        and in urban conditions he seems to have no equal

        Yeah ... Indeed, in the city there is nothing worse than such a mutant.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 27 September 2013 10: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Rakti-Kali
          Yeah ... Indeed, in the city there is nothing worse than such a mutant.

          Interestingly, but is there a rationale for such a statement?

          It is in the city that he is needed first of all.
          Now it’s just fashionable at the word Terminator to say that it is not needed ...
          Just - FASHIONABLE ...

          A thousand times already substantiated the need for a car of this class in various conditions. Already write laziness.
          Modify weapons - yes, it is desirable.
          But such a machine is NEEDED.
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 11: 23 New
            -1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Interestingly, but is there a rationale for such a statement?

            Will be found.
            Quote: Aleks tv
            But such a machine is NEEDED.

            For what? For support? Well, only if "to support the legs" (c) ...
            So the question is - why is BMPT better than what is already available in the army to solve the tasks established for it?
            In terms of reservation, it is inferior to the tank - its BM has, at best, bulletproof booking and does not have the ability to install DZ. Its armaments are inferior to those of tanks and are in no way superior to armaments of modern infantry fighting vehicles (and will be inferior to promising armaments). The infantry landing, this armored object to take under the armor, too, can not. This shushpantser also has no advantages over a tank or infantry fighting vehicle in detecting an enemy.
            In addition, this “miracle of design thought” does not fit into any shield or in any concept of the interaction of troops on the battlefield. And even in urban areas, it does not have any advantages, because it is unsuitable for solving the tasks assigned to the tank, or for the tasks of motorized rifles on infantry fighting vehicles.
            Conclusion - a heavy infantry fighting vehicle with infantry landing is much more useful than this "white elephant".
            1. j iz sibiri
              j iz sibiri 27 September 2013 11: 36 New
              0
              and where did you get reputable such information?
              1. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 11: 43 New
                0
                Quote: j iz sibiri
                and where did you get reputable such information?

                Who are you with ...?
                What information are we talking about?
                1. j iz sibiri
                  j iz sibiri 27 September 2013 11: 51 New
                  0
                  don't be stupid it is bad
                  1. Rakti-kali
                    Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 11: 58 New
                    -1
                    My dear, if you want to ask a question - ask directly. And you will play mystery with girls at discotheques.
            2. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 27 September 2013 11: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              Will be found.

              Already grimaced ... are we in kindergarten?
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              For what? For support? Well, only if "to support the legs" (c) ...

              In the city:
              Use in the 1-2 of the OG line of the city "Christmas Tree" (a detailed description is on the site).

              In the settlements:
              High module location + tank protection - the best efficiency on the narrow streets of villages.

              Accompanied by:
              It’s certainly not always justified to accompany the “tapes” with tanks, but if so, then the BMPT there probably gives maximum efficiency: tank armor and high fire density.

              In field:
              This is her horse.
              If canned infantry fighting vehicles follow the tank, then BMPT can go with the tank.

              Described briefly, but specifically.
              I can dwell in detail on EVERY section in detail and prove the effectiveness of this machine. I have some experience and I'm not writing fantasies from my head.
              I would not refuse any cars during the service.
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              Conclusion - a heavy infantry fighting vehicle with infantry landing is much more useful

              Good conclusion.
              That's when they do BMP-T (which I very much wish), then we'll talk.
              And now there is nothing like this in the troops, only BMO-T. And if tomorrow again a mess?
              A combat vehicle under the protection of tank armor with small-caliber weapons is needed like air.
              I have questions for weapons, but these are details.

              Please respond specifically and not blur common phrases.
              Sincerely.
              1. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 12: 26 New
                -4
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Already grimaced ... are we in kindergarten?

                I do not know. I do not track your location.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                In the city: Use of the city "Fir-trees" in exhaust gas lines 1-2 (a detailed description is on the site).

                It has no advantages over the tank. Take the BUSW - (see picture below)

                Who will replace BMPT and why? What is the advantage of BMPT?
                Quote: Aleks tv
                In settlements: High module location + tank protection - the best efficiency on the narrow streets of villages.

                The high location of the module does not improve efficiency, it only unmasks. And the module itself DOES NOT HAVE tank protection.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Accompanied by: escorting the “Tapes” with tanks, of course, this is not always justified, but if so, the BMPT there probably gives maximum efficiency: tank armor and high fire density.

                The BMP with infantry + turntables + interaction with artillery will give much greater efficiency.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                In the field: This is her hobby. If canning BMPs go after the tank, then BMPT can go with the tank.

                And why the hell is this "elephant" needed if you already have a tank !? BMP at least carry infantry ...
                Quote: Aleks tv
                I would not refuse any cars during the service.

                Well, I would refuse.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                And now there is nothing like this in the troops, only BMO-T. And if tomorrow again a mess?

                So it’s not necessary to cut the budget when such disgraces are obtained at the exhaust, but to work and give the army what it needed yesterday — a heavy infantry fighting vehicle.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Please respond specifically and not blur common phrases.

                What questions are such and answers.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Sincerely.

                Mutually, comrade.
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 27 September 2013 13: 17 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  I do not know. I do not track your location.

                  Clear. And I tried to be correct. Just tired of one chatter to listen.
                  If you didn’t “work,” then why DESTROY what you do not know?
                  Here and without me there are a lot of guys who were THERE and intelligently explain what they needed.
                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  It has no advantages over the tank. Take the BUS -
                  Who will replace BMPT and why? What is the advantage of BMPT?

                  But do not replace anything. Tank + BMPT is the best bunch of available equipment at the moment in the urban "Christmas tree".
                  I will never believe that "Tank + BMP" is better than "Tank + BMPT" in the first exhaust gas line.
                  If interested, read here the DETAILED construction (in my opinion) and its discussion on this link, otherwise I’ll throw out info on 4-5 posts, I don’t see the point:
                  http://topwar.ru/32263-bmpt-v-alzhire-kommercheskie-perspektivy-i-modernizaciya.
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                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  The high location of the module does not improve efficiency, it only unmasks. And the module itself DOES NOT HAVE tank protection.

                  You have not been to Czech villages.
                  One wide street, the rest narrow. Walls of houses and fences made of natural stone. The windows are only in the yard. Understanding what is happening and what awaits you is possible only if you look inside.
                  They did this, becoming on the armor, which is fraught.
                  The tank is almost useless inside the village, and the beh and boxes have canned armor, and if they are picked up, it’s finally possible to pull it out of the back streets. That’s why they got it.
                  BMPT there - that’s it.
                  And that the model does not have protection - this is garbage, the main thing is that the crew is inside the hull.
                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  The BMP with infantry + turntables + interaction with artillery will give much greater efficiency.

                  BMPT, like the tank, it is difficult to knock out the first shot of the "seven". Tank-based vehicles are tenacious. The small caliber is IMPORTANT when accompanied, do you think the “carts” from the good life came up with the commandant's office? BMPT this is a well-protected "Tachanka". And the infantry in the "tape" - the most is to shake and "drown the mass" in the MPA.
                  It’s interesting what the fighters in the Czechs would say if you refused the BMPT and suggested that they ride the BMP-2 ... I’m not envious of you ...
                  And about "turntables + artillery" - this is correct, but you are a storyteller. So, the whole group will give up all its affairs and at the same time escort another 40-50 “tapes” and rush to zealously guard your “tape” ... Aha.

                  Next:
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 27 September 2013 13: 19 New
                    +1
                    Continued:

                    Quote: Rakti-Kali
                    And why the hell is this "elephant" needed if you already have a tank !? BMP at least carry infantry ...

                    The tank has its own tasks. BMPT have their own.
                    Let the cans teleport behind, the infantry will be more intact.
                    Quote: Rakti-Kali
                    Well, I would refuse.

                    So you have no experience of "work".
                    Quote: Rakti-Kali
                    So it’s not necessary to cut the budget when such disgraces are obtained at the exhaust, but to work and give the army what it needed yesterday — a heavy infantry fighting vehicle.

                    Only FOR (!!!) BMP-T. I even agree to remake the BMO-T, so that it enters the troops faster.

                    Thanks for the scheme. Busv sometimes at night out of habit I read.

                    One more time:
                    BMPT - it does not replace the tank and does not replace the BMP. She complements them.
                    In the case of the creation of BMP-T, then on the basis of BMPT it is necessary to make a combat module that is different in armament from the tank and BMP-T. For example, a combination of small-caliber firepower and an assault gun.

                    But this is already a question of the distribution of calibers, this is the work of GSH and GRAU.

                    In the same vein, to continue the conversation I see no reason. I did not see that you own the topic. Sometimes a couple of phrases can say a lot.
                    Trolling and srach bore me.
                    In other topics, where I do not understand anything, I never climb, but simply read with interest and not ashamed to ask questions to specialists.
                    But I’m ready to defend my “topic”, but only with those who really and in the case know, challenging the issue.
                    I tried to be moderately correct and respectful.
                    1. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 14: 27 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      The tank has its own tasks. BMPT have their own.

                      How do the tasks of this "armored creature" differ from the tasks of the tank?
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      So you have no experience of "work".

                      You would have to go to the cadre - without you there is a blockage, and you're all about everyone ...
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      BMPT - it does not replace the tank and does not replace the BMP. She complements them.

                      She, banally, has nothing to add to either one or the other.
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      Role and srach bores me.

                      Well, give up this thankless task.
                  2. Rakti-kali
                    Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 14: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Clear. And I tried to be correct. Just tired of one chatter to listen.

                    So learn to listen not only to yourself.
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    If you didn’t “work,” then why DESTROY what you do not know?

                    I see you know more about me than I do.
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    But do not replace anything. Tank + BMPT is the best bunch of available equipment at the moment in the urban "Christmas tree".

                    WHY is a BMPT better than a tank? Where are the results of the practical application of this "device" in the database?
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    http://topwar.ru/32263-bmpt-v-alzhire-kommercheskie-perspektivy-i-modernizaciya.
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                    Algeria wanted to buy a T-90. And rightly so - the best purchase on the basis of price / quality. And BMPT remained an "unprecedented animal" with unclear goals and prospects.
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    You have not been to Czech villages.

                    I was not in Czech. In the Czech Republic and Dagestan - is another matter.
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    The tank is almost useless inside the village,

                    Is it forging? It is quite useful if the infantry is good. And alone that the tank, that this "creation" is a potential fire.
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    To understand what is happening and what awaits you is possible only if you “look” inside. We did this, standing on the armor, which is fraught.

                    If this is not an SPD under the camera, you feel the danger, check 125mm OFS. The specialists, all the more so, are worse - they don’t have tanks, they have to control the terrain from the roof of their armored tombs.
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    and beh and boxes have canned armor

                    So we need a heavy BMP. And so, in lack of fish, - the best tool against the enemy grenade launcher is your motorized rifle, standing over the corpse of this very grenade launcher.
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 27 September 2013 14: 32 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      WHY is a BMPT better than a tank?

                      Well, nifiga people did not understand ...
                      BMPT does not replace the Tank and BMP-2, but ADDITS it.
                      The trick is simple - a small caliber protected by tank armor.

                      I see no reason to comment on the rest.
                      1. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 15: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        The trick is simple - a small caliber protected by tank armor.

                        Well, put 30 of the tank’s full-time guns and calm down, but why did you pop in a BMP-3 and want to put 45-57 mm on the Kurgan?
                      2. Kasym
                        Kasym 27 September 2013 18: 49 New
                        +1
                        Rakti-Kali, good afternoon. Kazakhstan 4 Pcs. acquired for testing. The military was very pleased. BMPT will be accepted for the armed forces Kaz. the army. We decided to redo the existing T-72 reserves in the BMPT. The question seems to be agreed with Russian manufacturers. I think that this demo after the exhibition will go to us.
                        So, Kazakhstan closed the question about the need for this equipment for the army.
                      3. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 20: 25 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Kasym
                        Rakti Kali, good afternoon

                        Hello, Kasym.
                        Quote: Kasym
                        Kazakhstan 4 Pcs. acquired for testing. The military was very pleased

                        Well, what can I say ... Kazakhstan is an independent state and can indulge with its army as it wants.
                        Quote: Kasym
                        So, Kazakhstan closed the question about the need for this equipment for the army.

                        And in the 30s the Red Army adopted the guns of Kurchevsky, they also considered them necessary and promising. We can all make mistakes.
              2. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 14: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Aleks tv
                and if they do, then finally the khan, it’s difficult to get out through the back streets. That’s why they got it. BMPT is there.

                And if they beat this "elephant", will God's power endure it?
                Quote: Aleks tv
                And that the model does not have protection - this is garbage, the main thing is that the crew is inside the hull.

                Well, why the heck is this shushpanzer needed, if any flying splinter makes him unarmed.
                "And this man scolds the BMP for thin armor ..." (c) (paraphrased by me)
                Quote: Aleks tv
                BMPT, like the tank, it is difficult to knock out the first shot of the "seven". Tank-based vehicles are tenacious. Small caliber IMPORTANT when accompanied

                Well, use the tank! A small caliber (30 mm) OFS does not take a wall of 2,5 bricks, and such are very common there. A 125 mm OFS makes an “entrance” from the windowsill to the ceiling. And in the field, a large caliber is better than a small one.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Do you think the “carts” from the good life came up with the commandant's office?

                From the bad. It’s bad when you don’t have your own tanks, but they don’t give reinforcements.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                BMPT this is a well-protected "Tachanka".

                That is, palliative.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                And about "turntables + artillery" - this is correct, but you are a storyteller. So, the whole group will give up all its affairs and at the same time escort another 40-50 “tapes” and rush to zealously guard your “tape” ... Aha.

                40-50? Not a son, it's fantastic ... (c)
            3. bask
              bask 27 September 2013 13: 55 New
              +3
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              So it’s not necessary to cut the budget when such disgraces are obtained at the exhaust, but to work and give the army what it needed yesterday — a heavy infantry fighting vehicle.

              The heavy BTR-T / BMP-T was developed during the USSR, but was not given to the troops.
        2. iSpoiler
          iSpoiler 28 September 2013 06: 50 New
          -1
          Bulletproof protection .. ???? Take a closer look, this is the most ordinary T72 with another tower. With a head it is necessary to be friends. !!
  • mirag2
    mirag2 27 September 2013 07: 38 New
    +4
    Yes, the car is for the foreign market. Ours do not plan it. But it is needed for urban battles, as it is now in Syria.
    1. bask
      bask 27 September 2013 07: 42 New
      +7
      Experts: "Terminator-2" will be in demand on the world market

      And again, these ****** words are in demand on the world .....
      And that we and the Russian army are not in demand ?????? am
    2. Apollo
      27 September 2013 08: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: mirag2
      Yes, the car is for the foreign market. Ours do not plan it. But it is needed for urban battles, as it is now in Syria.


      for battle in urban conditions improved T-72
      watch from 00-45

      I will add photos of the T-72 city tank
      Photos of the urban modification of the T-72 tank. At the arms exhibition in Nizhny Tagil unique models of armored vehicles are presented, among which the urban modification of the T-72 tank can be distinguished.

      The tank is equipped with the modern Relikt dynamic protection, in addition, an additional protection of the front of the hull creates a powerful bulldozer blade. The sides are protected by anti-cumulative protection, on the aft areas - trellised screens.
      http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/photo/3786-1.html


    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 September 2013 10: 11 New
      +3
      So Assad would fit heels for running-in in real battles. Combat experience, it is the most valuable.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 September 2013 08: 23 New
    +5
    and I’m more furious about the fucking world market! We don’t have time to create anything worthwhile, we immediately put it on the counter ... we don’t need to, we are peaceful gunsmiths, and we have immunity from everything ... forgot how many tanks we lost in the Caucasus?
    1. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 10: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      do not have time to create something worthwhile

      This monster costs no more than the metal from which it is made in the form of scrap. Meaningless and useless.
  • rugor
    rugor 27 September 2013 08: 58 New
    +1
    Really it was impossible to come up with a better one.


    It is said that we have problems with personnel, and there is no creativity.
  • Net
    Net 27 September 2013 09: 26 New
    +4
    For the Terminator, he lacks a pair of GSh-6-23, and of the "red eye" of the CEP "Shtora-1" smile
  • Paul 23rus
    Paul 23rus 27 September 2013 10: 14 New
    0
    Yes, even Medvedev criticized the name saying something like the following - it could be called as is customary here, peacefully
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 27 September 2013 11: 30 New
    +1
    Good name, almost perfect. Which tanks? What are BMP ?! A purely western weapon was developed, a purely western advertising company was carried out, consisting of continuous lies and defaults. This unit is an ideal means of supporting tanks, knocking out an enemy equipped mainly with light rifle and RPG. And in large quantities, with ease and relatively cheap. When you need to wet thousands of lightly armed, not too skillful people, to pour jets from a grain from the grains - it’s the same as millions in civilian fields ... oh, what am I ?! no no no! scatter across the fields of some kind of virtual one, it’s not clear where but where the war is very far. Expensive and stupid. And this box will be cleaned with cheap shrapnel - it’s kind of expensive. Soon we are waiting for mass deliveries to Panama. Liberia will buy them in thousands ... not immediately to drive to the SGA, indecent ....
  • RUSS
    RUSS 27 September 2013 14: 35 New
    +1
    Perhaps with a reserve for export, because we do not need it.
    1. koosss
      koosss 27 September 2013 15: 37 New
      0
      who is crying about the fact that this "terminator" (the name is too loud in fact) is not being bought into our army, doesn’t he understand that because if they want to put everything on the new Armata platform, then they don’t need it on the old platform?) they also refused T90 for this, they push it for export, it’s the same
  • sak1969
    sak1969 27 September 2013 21: 32 New
    0
    Terminator: a line on the planet’s disk that separates the illuminated hemisphere from the dark. Well, in this case ( separates ) localizes a threat to tanks.
    Separates flies from cutlets. Well, something like this . In common name in the subject.
    Well, the machine runs in there, you look for fans of robots, a drone is the next logical step.
    good
  • j iz sibiri
    j iz sibiri 27 September 2013 07: 21 New
    0
    the car is very good and relevant, but the big crew upsets
    1. Apollo
      27 September 2013 07: 29 New
      +9
      Good morning everybody hi

      Fighting vehicle is not just super class good


      previous version of Terminator vs German BMP Puma
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 September 2013 09: 56 New
        0
        [quote = Apollon] Good morning everyone hi
        Fighting vehicle is not just a class
        Is it that his valve bleeds off the pressure? after shot at 1.46
    2. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 10: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: j iz sibiri
      the car is very good and relevant

      Useless is a car! A heavier infantry fighting vehicle would be much more useful and relevant.
      1. Vlad 1965
        Vlad 1965 27 September 2013 11: 29 New
        +1
        Rakti-kali
        Why would such a baseless, unreasonable and generally stupid conclusion?
        You fought? Probably because of this you have little idea what kind of car it is and how it is needed, not only to support tanks but also to support infantry?
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 11: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Vlad 1965
          Have you fought

          My dear, we didn’t eat vodka at the Brudershaft, I don’t think you are my friend, and I didn’t allow you to switch to “you”.
          Quote: Vlad 1965
          You fought? Probably because of this you have little idea what kind of car it is and how it is needed, not only to support tanks but also to support infantry?

          And why is this pepelats ground better for supporting infantry than a tank? belay
          This design has worse armoring and armament compared to the tank and has no advantages over it in terms of surveillance devices. And unlike the BMP, it can’t take troops under armor, having no advantage over the latter in armament.
          This forest monster is nothing but a good example of inefficient spending. It would be better to make a heavy infantry fighting vehicle based on the tank, and not this crap.
          Quote: Vlad 1965
          Why would such a baseless, unreasonable and generally stupid conclusion?

          I hope you got the answer to your question?
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 27 September 2013 16: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Rakti-Kali
            And why is this pepelats ground better for supporting infantry than a tank?


            At least the gun’s torsion angles, reload speed, not so long gun barrel, less bullet power, or do you want to leave only ruins around you when fighting all kinds of evil bad guys? laughing
            1. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 19: 01 New
              -2
              Quote: IS-80
              At least the gun’s torsion angles, reload speed, not so long gun barrel, less bullet power, or do you want to leave only ruins around you when fighting all kinds of evil bad guys?

              And the army is not only fighting the bad guys. Her main task is the "big war". If you really want to stick somewhere BMPT, you can create a unit in the BB.
              Next is the vertical. Undoubtedly, this is a useful property in the city, but IMHO is not worth sacrificing armor protection (if compared with a tank), or a landing party (if compared with a BMP).
              "reload speed", "lower bullet power" - and let's cram eight miniguns there - this is what a wonderful "anti-bad" unit it will turn out.
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 27 September 2013 19: 39 New
                0
                Quote: Rakti-Kali
                And the army is not only fighting the bad guys. Her main task is the "big war". If you really want to stick somewhere BMPT, you can create a unit in the BB.
                Next is the vertical. Undoubtedly, this is a useful property in the city, but IMHO is not worth sacrificing armor protection (if compared with a tank), or a landing party (if compared with a BMP).
                "reload speed", "lower bullet power" - and let's cram eight miniguns there - this is what a wonderful "anti-bad" unit it will turn out.


                And if we are for world peace and are at war only with bad guys. smile I see BMPT rather as a replacement for BMP. Something like BMP-T, but without landing.
                I believe that in its current form, BMPT can not be adopted. The reasons have already been announced a bunch of times. Weakly armored combat module, a strange set of weapons, an excessive number of crew members, for example. But in general, I am for the car.
                1. Rakti-kali
                  Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 20: 12 New
                  -1
                  Quote: IS-80
                  And if we are for world peace and are at war only with bad guys.

                  Bad people are different. With a bearded men armed with AK and RPG, this unit can still work, it is not worthwhile to use a BMPT against an army that is less well-equipped technically, which would not be excruciatingly embarrassing.

                  Quote: IS-80
                  I believe that in its current form, BMPT can not be adopted.

                  And in any other form, too - look at what it is - the Tank Support Fighting Vehicle - the same tank on which the turret with a 125 mm gun was replaced with a lightly armored module with incomprehensible weapons and was shoved into the body of 2 AG-30 manually managed by two uncles. Moreover, the means of observation remained similar to those of the tank. What happened? It turned out nedotank with poor armor and weapons. So, what is next? Will we create a Tank Support Fighting Vehicles Support Vehicle?
  • Edward72
    Edward72 27 September 2013 07: 25 New
    +7
    Judging by the coloring of the sale for the Middle East or Africa, and in the RA army by the residual principle, as always.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 27 September 2013 09: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Edward72
      Judging by the coloring of the sale for the Middle East or Africa, and in the RA army by the residual principle, as always.

      Our army, no matter how it can be determined, is needed or not.
      1. koosss
        koosss 27 September 2013 15: 42 New
        0
        why take him into our army if he is on an old platform. What is “armature” for?
  • Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor 27 September 2013 07: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Do authors have impotence of fantasy?

    naming of ours, especially the military has always been "special" laughing Flamethrower "Pinocchio" is one of the most epic wassat nevertheless, it is better than alphanumeric ciphers (most recently, all VAZs did not have their own names)
  • kafa
    kafa 27 September 2013 07: 54 New
    0
    city, terminator, rocket shot in the launch container ... I wonder what will happen winked
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 27 September 2013 08: 04 New
      +1
      Artillery assault rifles for what? Only now it was necessary to install the assault rifles as on the Yenisei. This caliber is the most.
      40mm, 50mm for the BMP is a bit much, and 37mm is what you need. And the formatting unit would be more powerful than 30 millimeters.
      And the rate of fire would be what you need.
      And the amount of ammunition, how would it be different?
    2. Fofan
      Fofan 27 September 2013 08: 07 New
      0
      Quote: kafa
      city, terminator, rocket shot in the launch container ... I wonder what will happen winked

      on a rocket - failure of the rocket itself.
      but if something shrapnel falls nearby, it will beat all the optics. the car will go blind. as there was this jamb from the first version, it remained.
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  • Sunjar
    Sunjar 27 September 2013 08: 22 New
    -1
    Tachilla awesome. In fact, it can be used as an independent unit (without joint work with the tank). Especially the "rebels" will be fun to drive on it. In Syria, a couple of such would be tested ... But it is impossible: the EU and the USA will immediately accuse Russia of aiding the bloody regime of Assad. It is necessary to ensure that the "rebels" are recorded as terrorists, and Syria would ask for military assistance.
  • kafa
    kafa 27 September 2013 08: 31 New
    +2
    the optics are not protected, the launchers are generally bare, but two small-caliber guns (a small-caliber shotgun) of the AGS shelling sector are only the front .....
    miracle car? no, wonderful car!
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 27 September 2013 09: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: kafa
      yes two guns but small caliber (small shotgun)

      What would you like here? Already checked that 30 mm is optimal for the assigned tasks, otherwise it will no longer be BMPT. Miracle or wonderful, but the right machine, I hope time will confirm it
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 27 September 2013 10: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: kafa
      optics not protected launchers generally bare

      That's better?
  • shark
    shark 27 September 2013 08: 31 New
    0
    I want to ask. Who knows if the Ministry of Defense plans to buy these cars? The first version seems to be how our military "specialists" rejected? Personally, I absolutely don’t understand why? Do we have such powerful tanks that they don’t need support? or again, someone from beyond the hill paid someone?
    1. roma2
      roma2 27 September 2013 09: 25 New
      +2
      Who knows if the Defense Ministry plans to purchase these cars?


      They can't figure out where to attach it,
      take TB - will the Terminators be represented there as a separate company? or instead of a tank? if separate, it will be necessary to increase the number of tankers, and trucks, and what kind of haemorrhages with the nomenclature and supply of ammunition ??
    2. avt
      avt 27 September 2013 09: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: shark
      Personally, I absolutely don’t understand why? Do we have such powerful tanks that they don’t need support? or again, someone from beyond the hill paid someone?

      Because it is beautiful at the exhibition, but how and where to apply it specifically? And what kind of breeder is this like the western one - a tank escort vehicle in the city? Then what, in accordance with the “specifics”, will we make a vehicle for escorting tanks in the countryside and a car for escorting an escort vehicle? We in the USSR made such a fire support vehicle for infantry and tanks - BMP-1 and developed it in accordance with combat experience .From here, “Bahcha” appeared. Today, as a result of all these frills and “brainstorming,” the guides returned to BMP-3 and BMD-4, and “Octopus” Shamanov struck, although the theoreticians offered him a stoned for ease of extraordinary movement, well, definitely after nightclub adjutant or poruchenets his master, coke nanyuhovshegosya to nausea and wrote in a notebook available to the chief - ,, ,, it's time to change the wheel "
    3. koosss
      koosss 27 September 2013 15: 46 New
      0
      here’s how they’ll bring the “armature” platform to mind, then they will put this thermal on it and there will be happiness. therefore, they began to take new tanks, for they are developing a new platform .. that’s the same
  • ramsi
    ramsi 27 September 2013 08: 37 New
    +1
    if they’d accept, then they would put “melon” instead of two machines
  • Strashila
    Strashila 27 September 2013 08: 42 New
    +2
    Crap ... until they cover the weapon module with armor from 14.5 caliber bullets with active armor ... I just keep quiet about 25-30, and they are the main ones for BMPs of all countries of the world, and of course the classic RPG-7 genre ... here are even the most obsolete samples will be rolled. And it has been correctly noted that the caliber of automatic rifles is better to raise to 37 or 45 ... 30 is rather weak against fortifications and buildings. It is advisable to raise the elevation angle of the weapon the same ... if it comes to fighting in the city, it’s the same for turntables. Add the possibility of using non-guided missile systems ... the same Bumblebees.
    1. avt
      avt 27 September 2013 09: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Strashila
      Crap ... until they cover the weapon module with armor from 14.5 caliber bullets with active armor ... I just keep quiet about 25-30, and they are the main ones for BMPs of all countries of the world, and of course the classic RPG-7 genre ... here are even the most obsolete samples will be rolled. And it was correctly noticed that the caliber of automatic machines is better to raise to 37 or 45 ... 30 rather weak against fortifications and buildings.

      And in the end we get ,, Bahchu "with a hundred. But Rogozin likes this, not this.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 27 September 2013 17: 45 New
        -1
        As a result, we get an adequate machine to combat infantry, helicopters and lightly armored vehicles.
        1. avt
          avt 27 September 2013 20: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: IS-80
          As a result, we get an adequate machine to combat infantry, helicopters and lightly armored vehicles.

          The whole adequacy of which is that I just like it and the only thing left is to attach it somewhere, somewhere near the tank. Well, of course, declaring it to be "specific" of the tasks it performs and equip then a heavy IFV, or for lack of just an IFV, as then to find out with Bahchi to support the landing and support the tank support machine, and most importantly, don’t forget the Tunguska or Shilka, so as not to distract the specific machine from the specific air defense tasks. already with a pleasant look and bosses with a slicker, a circle of cut did they return to BMP-3. Well, the Kazakhs like it, so do your health and sell. By the way, does the crew of the new miracle still have 5 people? If it’s 5, then it’s just that the landing is not needed - they’ll manage. And does your favorite car come with the equally coveted Black Swift pistol with which Rogozin wanted to sleep and advised others to carry out the same act?
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 27 September 2013 09: 18 New
    +2
    I agree with the previous statements, the crew is protected, and the weapon module is in full view. Bulletproof screens - bullshit. It is necessary to hide the entire module under the armor of at least 20-30 millimeters, increase the number of missiles to 16 with different warheads, and make the PU retractable. The guns are fine, but are the grenade launchers still motionless? And what's the point in them then?
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 27 September 2013 09: 29 New
    +2
    The device is intelligent, we plan to write off a large number of tanks of various modifications, you do not need to write it off, you just need to convert them all to BMPT and just get 2 types of tanks (T72 and T90) and akurat them a new type of equipment (BMPT)
  • slacker
    slacker 27 September 2013 09: 32 New
    +2
    The need for ATGMs in the city is doubtful. I am not a constructor, but with my amateurish mind I suppose that for operations in conditions similar to the Syrian conflict, you need a tower with strong armor that would provide reliable protection for surveillance devices and weapon systems from sniper and RPG fire from the upper hemisphere.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 27 September 2013 10: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Loafer
      The need for ATGMs in the city is doubtful.

      Do you think that from the same RPG-7 they only shoot at armored vehicles, and in the city there can be no enemy armored vehicles? If you criticize surveillance devices, then this applies to all armored vehicles, especially to the "buckets" on the tank towers, it is not the BMPT's fault.
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 11: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Per se.
        Do you think that from the same RPG-7 they shoot only at armored vehicles, and in the city there can’t be enemy armored vehicles?

        The point is not in the presence or absence of enemy armored vehicles (by the way, a tank would have fought with it much more efficiently), but in the battle distance in the city, which rarely exceeds several hundred meters, at which the ATGMs completely lose the tank gun.
        And a terrorist with an AK or RPG shoot ATGM is much more expensive than a tank gun.
        Yes, and in terms of protection, this shushpanzer tank does not surpass anything and is even much inferior (combat module).
        Conclusion: this vehicle is absolutely pointless and even harmful (infantry must be properly trained, artillery must be able to interact. But a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, with armor not inferior to a tank, would be incomparably more useful).
        1. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 27 September 2013 11: 10 New
          0
          you at once not played enough in computer games?
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 11: 53 New
            0
            Quote: j iz sibiri
            you at once not played enough in computer games?

            And let me ask - to whom do you ask this question? Or is it your pure self-criticism?
        2. Per se.
          Per se. 27 September 2013 13: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Rakti-Kali
          Well, a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, with a reservation not inferior to a tank, would be incommensurably more useful).
          On the basis of Soviet tanks, there is perhaps only one heavy BMP, which can be considered successful, is a Kharkov machine, unified with the T-64 tank, which we do not have, as well as a reasonable opportunity to transfer the engine forward to the T-72. However, this is not the main thing, the heavy armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle is primarily intended for transporting infantry, this is the main function for which the vehicle has an airborne compartment, and the armament is auxiliary in nature and cannot compete with the specialization of the BMPT firepower. This is clearly seen in the example of Israeli heavy armored personnel carriers, whether it’s Akhzarit based on the T-54 / 55 or Namer (based on the Merkava), our BTR-T. What is heavy BMP better here? If in the BMPT two grenade launchers can participate in the battle, shelling the frontal angles, and this is annoying for some, like a "big crew", then a heavy BMP with infantry troops inside and leading the battle, in general is nonsense, threatening to become a "mass grave" for the entire landing, but without landing than it is better? There is another conclusion - it is BMPT that is called upon to preserve the life of simple infantry, to help it in battle, having tank armor and fire specialization, and it is BMPT that can breathe new life into obsolete tanks (in our case, the T-72). And do not contrast BMPT and heavy armored personnel carriers (BMPs) are machines for different tasks.
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 27 September 2013 14: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Per se.
            Armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles are primarily intended for the transport of infantry, this is the main function for which the vehicle has an airborne squad, and the armament is auxiliary in nature, and cannot compete with the specialization of BMPT firepower

            And by what, tell me grace, the firepower of the 2A42 BMPT is superior to that of the 2A42 BMP? And on the BMP there is an ATGM and a machine gun and even an automatic grenade launcher can be installed on them quite regularly.
            Quote: Per se.
            If in the BMPT two grenade launchers can participate in the battle, shelling the front angles

            ONLY from a place! They do not have stabilization and control through the LMS.
            Quote: Per se.
            then a heavy infantry fighting vehicle with an infantry landing inside and leading a battle, generally nonsense, threatening to become a "mass grave" for the entire landing, but without landing, how is it better?

            That is, how is it without landing ??? belay What, dismounted landing, dissolves in the air ??? Open the BUSV - during assault operations and attacking enemy positions, the assault force acts HURNED, covering its infantry fighting vehicles and dowry tanks from the enemy’s anti-tank forces and conducting assault operations. HOW does your BMPT capture the entrance of an apartment building and an apartment building? Or a platoon fortified enemy point?
            Quote: Per se.
            it is BMPT designed to preserve the life of simple infantry, to help it in battle, having tank armor and fire specialization, it is BMPT that can breathe new life into obsolete tanks (in our case, the T-72).

            She can only breathe a little (or a lot) of babosikov into the pocket of the one who will be sawing old, but quite suitable T-72s into this junk.
          2. zhe602
            zhe602 26 October 2013 01: 36 New
            0
            I completely agree: BMPT will save a lot of its soldiers!
  • Aubert
    Aubert 27 September 2013 09: 37 New
    +1
    Is optics somehow protected? A close gap or settled out of small arms will disable all surveillance systems, IMHO.
  • darksoul
    darksoul 27 September 2013 09: 43 New
    +1
    good export prospects, according to Rosoboronexport.

    What else do you think or is this the main memorized phrase after the development of a new model of equipment by our designers? Do we have at least one BMPT unit in the army in the first version?
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 27 September 2013 09: 52 New
    +1
    It is still unclear how and in what quantity to include these BMPTs in tank units and subunits, well, with certain tactics of use, certain questions will surely arise. BMPT itself, by the way, besides pushing into the armament of manufacturers, for some reason, General Mayev actively defended himself, who seemed to steer an armored car management, now he can not hear something.
    Therefore, if missile weapons are also used on BMPTs, then they are controlled, so that they will most likely get with a more powerful warhead than with suitable unguided missiles. Given that this unit should somehow help tanks in urban areas, it would be nice to be able to use missiles with the same warhead as jet flamethrowers.
  • denson06
    denson06 27 September 2013 11: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Canep
    The troops will call him Arnie. Unless of course it will be adopted with the same name.

    If so, then it was necessary to invite A. Schwarzenegger to the presentation .. But in general, as for me - there is logic in the name, because it will sound in Russian - destroyer or fighter. But this is a Russian development and somehow it’s not patriotic to call it in English .. Yankees don’t call their technique with Russian words, I don’t remember, anyway ..
  • Breard
    Breard 27 September 2013 17: 03 New
    +1
    to Syria ... for testing ... on "spirits"
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 27 September 2013 18: 46 New
    +1
    By and large, I still did not understand why this very "Terminator-2" is so fundamentally different from those BMPTs that were presented earlier ... what
    Well, except that the name (instead of "Framework 99") ... wink

    Or ... This news is already solidly outdated and dates back to the time when the second experimental version of the BMPT with two 30 mm artillery systems was presented instead of the one on the very first version ... wink
  • zhe602
    zhe602 26 October 2013 01: 41 New
    0
    Weapons, to combat the enemy’s tank-dangerous manpower, need not be powerful, but must be quick-fire and be able to quickly reorient from one target to another. In addition, the combat vehicle itself, should have been unlike, for example, BMP, in general, in terms of armament, satisfying the above requirements, armored at the level of MBT. Since avoiding fire contact with the enemy, it still does not work out, and booking an infantry fighting vehicle and armored personnel carrier is categorically insufficient to withstand, not only falling from grenade launchers, but even from large-caliber small arms.