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China develops a bomber similar to B-2 - Japanese media

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China develops a bomber similar to B-2 - Japanese media

China is developing a new strategic bomber, in appearance similar to the American B-2 (pictured), Japanese media reported, writes mil.sohu.com September 24.


But under this program there is no clarity, it is known that China is upgrading its H-6 (Tu-16) bombers, and is also interested in buying Russian Tu-22М and Su-34 bomber.

However, opinions are being expressed that China does not need a new strategic bomber; moreover, there have not yet been any official reports from Beijing about the existence of such a program. Nevertheless, the “flying wing” scheme is the most optimal for developing such an aircraft, since it allows one to have a large internal volume and excellent stealth characteristics.

In the Chinese blogosphere, there is no shortage of fantasies about what a new bomber should be. It is reported that since the middle of 1990-ies, the Siansky Design Institute and the Siansky Aviation Plant have been developing the H-7 project with four Taihan engines (replacing the ALDXNXX turbofan engines). Combat load of the aircraft “with conventional aerodynamic configuration” 31 t (option - 18 cruise missiles “Red Bird-12” with a launch range of 3 km, each equipped with a nuclear warhead with a capacity of 3000 kt), at least 350 km with refueling capability in the air. A bomber, taking off from a base in Heilujiang, is capable of striking throughout North America. When asked why the bomber was developed according to the normal scheme, it is said that at that time China had only the experience of upgrading the H-1,4 bomber, did not have knowledge of new aerodynamic schemes and tried to create an aircraft based on a well-studied design (the experience of creating a JH fighter-bomber was used -10000A).

The development of a more ambitious model, the H-9 hypersonic aerospace bomber, is also reported. This aircraft must be equipped with four TRDDF and two ramjet engines. TRDDFs are used for “normal” flights with a speed of 2-3М, when reaching a height of more than 15000 m, direct-flow engines are activated, which allow the aircraft to reach a height of about 100 km and reach speeds of 8М. Such a bomber will be able to hit targets at any point on Earth in 2-3 hours.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 09: 36 New
    14
    Perhaps this is the only thing that the Chinese women have not yet copied, but now his hands reached him laughing
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 26 September 2013 10: 03 New
      +7
      to the procurement of Russian Tu-22M and Su-34 bombers.

      Well, they still haven’t copied a lot of things. laughing
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 26 September 2013 10: 19 New
        +3
        How can one be such donkeys and sell the latest and most promising equipment to China? Yes, and in the amount of not 200-300 units, but piecewise or even completely in a single copy!
        I am ashamed of our bureaucrats ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 10: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: klimpopov
        Well, they still haven’t copied a lot of things

        I think they are already working on SU 34, but Tu 22 seems to be ready to launch in a series laughing
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 16 New
          +1
          Amendment Tu - 22M. But Tu - 22 is being launched, they need to do something with the population. laughing
          flyers refused to fly on the Tu 22. Emergency and unreliable.
          And then Tupolev, under the guise of modernization, created a new Tu - 22M aircraft

          Which I really like
          That Tu - 22
          1. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 26 September 2013 23: 31 New
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            And then Tupolev, under the guise of modernization, created a new Tu - 22M aircraft

            In the photo of the Tu-22m3, and there were both (m) and (m-2) they differed in many ways from this latest version of the 22nd and from each other.
          2. Su-9
            Su-9 27 September 2013 06: 29 New
            0
            Hm hmm And when it was the "flyers" who refused to fly the equipment that was in service with the USSR Air Force. Of course, I understand that for a red word you can say something, but you don’t need to! If you had anything to do with the USSR Armed Forces, you would never have said that. And if you read this somewhere, then read such things with skepticism. I’m already jarred when I hear this - "refused to fly!"
            1. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 27 September 2013 13: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Su-9
              And when it was the "flyers" who refused to fly the equipment that was in service with the USSR Air Force.

              Maybe they didn’t refuse, but the 22nd, who didn’t forgive on the bottom photo, was very tough in piloting, he spoke to them personally, said the first modifications were weak, there wasn’t enough plumage and was very influenced by the tail the center of mass and even though his wing was clean, but there was a difficult plane.
    2. Guun
      Guun 26 September 2013 10: 13 New
      +1
      Rather, a joint development with one of the RF CB. Or the completion of Soviet prototypes bought for a penny in 90 - 00 years.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 26 September 2013 11: 13 New
        0
        Is there any sense today in flying bonbon warehouses? recourse
        spend the minds and resources to make the plane take off more, fly away faster and faster ...
        but one such warehouse is knocked out, and a tuyeva heap of ammunition for a cat under a host ...
        moreover, the combat mission will not be solved ...
        and the Ketai line is at stake soldier
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 24 New
          +3
          There's a meaning! And from flying bombers have long been abandoned! Now these are whole systems capable of overcoming the enemy’s air defense, putting up obstacles and so on. And the load in them (bomb) plays a decisive role! The point of driving a bomber for one missile? Which is also likely to be shot down? More missiles are more likely. . That 160, achieving three missiles of the goal, is the norm. Generally read about modern aviation, learn a lot.
          In the photo, the Tu-160 launches the X-55 rocket. The rocket has a range of 2500, goes at super low altitudes and at up to the sound. A real headache for enemy air defense.
          I think so! If anything, experts will correct me.
          PS By the way, in the fifties, they also dreamed of rockets. But a bomber is a more flexible weapon
          And one more question. And how then to deliver the "thuja heap" of ammunition?
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 26 September 2013 16: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: klimpopov
            In the photo, the Tu-160 launches the X-55 missile. The missile has a range of 2500, goes at extremely low altitudes and at up to the sound.

            oh, I'm afraid I’ve said it’s not entirely accurate to pass for a liar, I’ll say something that I remember kind of ...
            Now they are making rockets which, after detecting a target, make a "hill" type, so to speak, they climb up to 50 km altitude and then practically hit the target sheer, if not having lied this continuation of the X-22 rocket.
            In the photo you have "product 120". )))
            1. Fregate
              Fregate 26 September 2013 17: 27 New
              +1
              As far as I know, the x-22 initially flies along a high trajectory at a speed of ~ 1500 m / s.
            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 26 September 2013 18: 14 New
              +2
              There is such a thing.
              In general, here it is exhaustive.

              In the photo you have "product 120"

              It’s hard to distinguish from X-55))) Again, I'm not an expert.)))
            3. bif
              bif 27 September 2013 00: 51 New
              +1
              Let's make a little clarity.
              On the Tu-160 there cannot be x-22 (carriers of tu-22m and tu-95) http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/x22.html
              Next ... there is a replacement x-22 (comes with 1970-x) - this is x-32
              “Back in the 1980 Raduga Design Bureau, looking for a replacement for the old X-22 anti-ship missiles (the main armament of the USSR aviation against US aircraft carriers), work began on the new X-32 anti-ship missile. What was the matter? The old anti-ship missile had one large the disadvantage is the range of use in all 360-380 km. That is, at a distance of the horizon, at a distance of visibility from a high flying aircraft. It was almost impossible to send the X-22 over the horizon: the "head" of the rocket could not find the target. Therefore, in a real battle our supersonic missile carriers Tu-22M3 must from a distance up to 800 km from the center of an enemy aircraft carrier squadron rushing through fighter cover, and this is a big loss.

              In the "Rainbow" created the X-32 rocket. If the X-22, still standing in service, goes to the target, first gaining altitude of 22000 meters, accelerating to 3600 km / h, then the X-32, having separated from the aircraft, soars almost into the near space - by 4 km in height . There she “looks” very far “beyond the horizon”, finding targets beyond 600, and even beyond 1000 kilometers. The warhead of this cruise missile is much smarter than that of the X-22 - it can classify targets and select the most important: an aircraft carrier or a cruiser. And the target X-32 goes at speed in 6-7 M. It is almost impossible to intercept it ... "http://ruskline.ru/monitoring_smi/2009/06/02/faktor_x-32_dal_nobojnaya_asimmetri
              ya /
              Tu-160..carrier KR for "work" by land: x-55 range 2,5tkm (it is the PRODUCT 120) (x-55cm range 3000km and x-555 (without UB) range 2000km) and their replacement x-101 (x-102 with YAB) range 5000-5500km. ALL OF THESE Rocket Sonic. http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-440.html
              In the photo x-101, 2012year
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 27 September 2013 00: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: bif
                Tu-160..carrier KR for "work" by land: x-55 range 2,5tkm (it is the PRODUCT 120) (x-55cm range 3000km and x-555 (without UB) range 2000km) and their replacement x-101 (x-102 with YAB) range 5000-5500km. ALL OF THESE Rocket Sonic. http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-440.html
                In the photo x-101, 2012year


                And for me in the photo, is it a Tu-95?
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 27 September 2013 01: 01 New
                  +1
                  Absolutely right Sash, X-101 X-101 still turned out to be heavier than X-555 about three to four times. Therefore, only strategic Tu-160 and Tu-95 missile carriers can carry it. Tu-22 bomber will not pick it up.
                2. bif
                  bif 1 October 2013 18: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: studentmati
                  And for me in the photo, is it a Tu-95?

                  I thought so too, so I did not explain.
                  The Tu-160 has an internal arrangement of missiles, so I did not see their photo (with x-101 \ 102).
              2. Windbreak
                Windbreak 27 September 2013 16: 32 New
                0
                Quote: bif
                http://ruskline.ru/monitoring_smi/2009/06/02/faktor_x-32_dal_nobojnaya_asimmetri

                ya /
                the writings of Maxim Kalashnikov, of course, very reliable information ...
  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 26 September 2013 09: 37 New
    +6
    There is nothing that China has not copied. But whether this is the same machine is a big question.
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 26 September 2013 10: 49 New
      +5
      The machine will be 5 millimeters shorter and 8 grams lighter, which would suggest that this is purely Chinese know-how. Roughly as happened with Sushki.
      Sincerely.
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 26 September 2013 23: 58 New
      0
      Quote: xetai9977
      There is nothing that China has not copied. But whether this is the same machine is a big question.


      the more they steal designs, the less they think with the brain, so let it be.
  3. svp67
    svp67 26 September 2013 09: 37 New
    +4
    It’s interesting, it was worth our specialists to announce the creation of a new “strategist,” after some time the Chinese started talking like that, after too many “random” coincidences ...
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 26 September 2013 10: 01 New
      +3
      It’s just that both we and they entered a phase when it is necessary to somehow update the army in general and equipment in particular. The Chinese have a stronger lag, but the pace is higher. No matter how they overtake us. I am glad that at least they can’t do anything normal with respect to engines, but at the same time they continue to evolve.
    2. 222222
      222222 26 September 2013 10: 11 New
      +1
      China is well aware of the new Pacific strategy of the United States .. yes and the Yankees have resumed the development program of a new strategic bomber.
  4. JonnyT
    JonnyT 26 September 2013 09: 44 New
    +4
    The Japanese all scare their population with China ..... strange, but it seems to me that soon they will not care for a nuclear strike, radiation will not affect them laughing

    http://news.mail.ru/economics/14927478/?frommail=1
    1. Far East
      Far East 26 September 2013 11: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      I think that soon they will not care about a nuclear strike, radiation will not have an effect on them laughing

      good radiation "cockroaches" is not scary! laughing
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 26 September 2013 14: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: JonnyT
      radiation will not affect them


      a new generation of super-soldiers?

      uhosh! soldier
    3. IGS
      IGS 26 September 2013 14: 39 New
      +1
      Radiation is unlikely to care, and the fact that the Chinese leaders have always been, as it were softer, is not against a global nuclear war, that's for sure.
  5. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 26 September 2013 09: 44 New
    +2
    The Chinese are probably the norm "from feudalism immediately to communism."
    1. alone
      alone 26 September 2013 20: 15 New
      0
      feudalism, communism !! but they are developing at a frantic pace! may soon turn into a headache for everyone. these are not the Chinese who fought with sparrows.
  6. VadimL
    VadimL 26 September 2013 09: 48 New
    +2
    Hmm .. Interesting. Ours are also going to develop a new strategic bomber by the 20th year, and, according to rumors, this will be a subsonic low visibility machine made according to the “flying wing” scheme.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 26 September 2013 11: 04 New
      +2
      It would be better if ours launched the upgraded Tu-160 into production, probably there would have been much more sense ... however, you won’t get any loot on development ...
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 26 September 2013 16: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey57
        It would be better if our launched into production a modernized Tu-160

        If I understood correctly, the choice of a subsonic bomber was also determined by the sophistication of a number of technologies, and hypersound was not yet developed for use.
        In order to ensure invisibility in the thermal range, aircraft engines should be hidden inside the hull, like a B-2 American subsonic invisible plane. But for supersonic flight, you need powerful thrust, which so far can only be created by engines with nozzles extended outside the hull, as on the Tu-160, Concorde and B-1
  7. slacker
    slacker 26 September 2013 10: 13 New
    +3
    It is also reported on the development of a more ambitious model - the hypersonic aerospace bomber N-9 ... Such a bomber will be able to hit targets anywhere in the world in 2-3 hours.


    These are pure tales. I do not believe! (with)
  8. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 26 September 2013 10: 14 New
    +1
    Before selling something to the Chinese, our sellers need to think carefully ... otherwise, as if these bombers purchased from Russia would not bring their deadly cargo onto our heads ..... nothing can be ruled out
  9. major071
    major071 26 September 2013 10: 37 New
    +8
    Do not copy, anyway it will not be better than ours. Here, as in the old joke: After assembly, we still need to modify the file.
  10. USNik
    USNik 26 September 2013 10: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: VadimL
    Hmm .. Interesting. Ours are also going to develop a new strategic bomber by the 20th year, and, according to rumors, this will be a subsonic low visibility machine made according to the “flying wing” scheme.

    Yeah, it looks like our narrow-eyed friends are preparing to compromise PAK-DA drawings in advance. But I think it will be a big bummer for them, as with PAK-FA. Let them first complete their "hypersonic aerospace bomber N-9", bgg laughing . The Soviets didn’t have time, the states didn’t, and here they are kaaak pile on the knee of the child prodigy ...
  11. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 26 September 2013 11: 09 New
    +5
    China is developing a new strategic bomber, in appearance similar to the American B-2

    The Chinese, from the nail and the tank, and now even to the bombers, all the goods are "similar" to the originals, as the Chinese themselves are on top of each other. But in general, if I were a Chinese woman, I would be glad for my "perspicacious" compatriots. And here is our strategists one should be careful not to undergo industrial espionage and not to sell the latest developments.
  12. left-wing
    left-wing 26 September 2013 11: 16 New
    +3
    Until the Chinese learn to create their own technologies, we have nothing to worry about. Let them buy ours.
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 September 2013 12: 18 New
    +2
    The Chinese will ever invent something and create something ..? heh heh .. They in ancient times were a talented nation ..! Or maybe the Japanese during the occupation stuffed with something .. and they turned into photocopiers.?
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 26 September 2013 23: 46 New
      0
      A landmark event took place in the world of car safety: for the first time a car from China earned the highest rating according to the European commission Euro NCAP. The five-star crash test was given to the Qoros 3 golf sedan. Euro NCAP emphasized that the car was so highly rated not with difficulty, but, on the contrary, with a wide margin from competitors. Qoros management previously announced its ambitious plans for the European market, which, apparently, are beginning to take on a real shape.
      So don’t underestimate China.
  14. Gur
    Gur 26 September 2013 12: 23 New
    +1
    China as a gray horse, you don’t know what will throw if the United States is definitely a probable opponent, then with China it’s more dangerous
  15. Gur
    Gur 26 September 2013 12: 26 New
    +1
    And here we must not forget China is strengthening and it is not clear how it will pour out to us
  16. mirag2
    mirag2 26 September 2013 12: 55 New
    +1
    China is developing at a frantic pace. And patriotism is up there.
    I never heard from the Chinese themselves that someone else (like our fifth column of the half-lipids in the media and on Echo) would teach you to shout that your motherland is fecal.
    So it may turn out that they will overtake us. God knows him.
  17. spirit
    spirit 26 September 2013 13: 02 New
    +1
    NO !!! ONLY NOT B2)))))
  18. awg75
    awg75 26 September 2013 13: 52 New
    +1
    the inhabitants of the rising sun are afraid - they understand that China has not forgotten all the atrocities that they committed on Chinese soil. I'm sure China will remind all of these samurai soon or a little later ...
  19. Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear 26 September 2013 14: 04 New
    +1
    allow the aircraft to reach altitudes of about 100 km and develop a speed of 8M. Such a bomber will be able to hit targets anywhere in the world in 2-3 hours. Tales, but interestingly he can not fly to the moon?
    1. abdrah
      abdrah 26 September 2013 15: 59 New
      +2
      Did you live far from school? (joke)
  20. Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 26 September 2013 15: 53 New
    +2
    This is a new development. They said about the plane, they kept silent about the Living Bombs. I think that on the Strategic Bomber they will not deliver missiles, but the Chinese in huge quantities. They’ll drop it on the country - and they will get out of the bombs, destroy the infantry, devour a bunch of food, steal equipment and continue to destroy everything in their path. Profit!
  21. APOCALIPTIC
    APOCALIPTIC 26 September 2013 21: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: VadimL
    Hmm .. Interesting. Ours are also going to develop a new strategic bomber by the 20th year, and, according to rumors, this will be a subsonic low visibility machine made according to the “flying wing” scheme.

    that is, not only ketaitsy are engaged in copying? Only ketaitsa is already seichas, and Russians somewhere in 7 years laughing
  22. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 27 September 2013 00: 11 New
    +1
    To develop what they can and develop, but ... Whether they will develop, this is still a very huge issue ...
    Over the entire existence of the “great” China, its no less “great” aircraft manufacturers have been unable to make a B-52, 3M or Tu-95 class bomber. I'm not talking about analogues of the Tu-160, V-1V, Tu-22M, or at least the Tu-22. Their greatest maximum in this area is the modernization of antiquity Tu-16 (according to the Chinese N-6). No exaggeration - yesterday's aviation ...
    And here is such a high-tech (without any sarcasm!) Thing as a strategist a la "stealth" ... Yes, and the "flying wing" is very capricious in terms of aerodynamics. Northrop has a solid foundation in the design of aircraft of such a lineup. The "great" Chinese do not ... I am sure that Americans will not share this kind of experience with the Chinese. In the meantime, the Chinese could not build anything serious without copying it ... You yourself understand that no-one will give them the B-2 Spirit ...
    However (I will mention it solely for the sake of objectivity), infa slipped that the Han people acquired several fragments from the F-117A shot down in Yugoslavia (and this circumstance was the true cause of the missile "accidental" attack on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade). But I don’t think (even if it really is) it will help the Celestial Empire to raise the "invisibility" on the wing ...
    So (most likely), the Japanese are simply scaring horror for themselves (and at the same time for neighbors in the region) ... For what? .. At least in order to justify an increase in allocations for military developments ...
  23. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 27 September 2013 02: 17 New
    +1
    To copy and serialize something, you need to have not only a model, but also a high-level industry. V29 is a good example.