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Rogozin: Russia may resume the creation of spacecraft such as "Buran"

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Rogozin: Russia may resume the creation of spacecraft such as "Buran"

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Wednesday at the Russian Arms Expo-2013 exhibition in Nizhny Tagil that the country needed to return to building space ships like the Buran, which, according to Rogozin, is a good example of space technology in various environments.


"The future aviation technology will have the opportunity to rise into the stratosphere, space technology is already working with us in both environments. For example, Buran, which is much ahead of time, but, in fact, all these spacecraft is the XNUMXst century, whether we want it or not, we will have to come back to it, ”Rogozin said, quoted by RIA as sayingNews».

“Buran” is an orbital spacecraft-cosmoplan of the Soviet reusable transport space system (MSTC), created within the framework of the Energy-Buran program.

One of the two space stations of the Space Shuttle, implemented in the world, the Buran was a response to a similar American project, Space Shuttle.

His first and only space flight "Buran" made in unmanned mode 15 November 1988 of the year. Leading developer of the “Buran” MTCS - Gleb Evgenievich Lozino-Lozinsky.

Russia Arms Expo is an international exhibition of weapons, military equipment and ammunition, which is held from 1999 year every two years at the site "Staratel" of the Nizhny Tagil Metal Testing Institute.

It alternates with the international exhibition of the Russian Defense Expo defense equipment, which is held at the Staratel training ground also once every two years.

This year, the Russia Arms Expo will be held from 25 to September 28 under the patronage of the Russian government.

The exhibition is organized by the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and the government of the Sverdlovsk region, preparing for the event is headed by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 26 September 2013 09: 14 New
    +3
    Amers have written off their shuttles to museums, and ours want to return "Buran" from the kingdom of the dead. It should be a brand new car, like the Clipper.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 26 September 2013 09: 18 New
      25
      like the Buran

      What for? Tueva is a bunch of excellent achievements on the shelves after the USSR. Take any - bring.
      A purely populist statement.
      Rogozin, stop talking, do it!
      Blessed memory of Lozinsky, he is so lacking now.
      And yet in vain then they went along the path of Buran and abandoned the orbital plane, the Americans just now reached this point, and then not without the help of Soviet developments. But then she played the role of a politician: "it should be the same and a little better." Although they are doing something like ...
      But in the end, neither one nor the other ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 September 2013 09: 28 New
        17
        Quote: ...
        Rogozin: Russia may resume the creation of spacecraft such as "Buran"


        Yap. The infrastructure of the laboratory, destroyed, there were no people who were in the subject. One Buran was sold to the Germans, the second (which flew into space died during the collapse of a rotten roof on Baikonur in 2002, but this miracle was preserved as a demonstration and mock-up
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 09: 32 New
          22
          Quote: Vadivak
          Yap

          Vadim, Rogozin and the base was going to build on the moon wink Tongue scratching not tossing bags.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 26 September 2013 09: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Tongue scratching not tossing bags.


            Oh well. For what and hired.
            1. mik667
              mik667 26 September 2013 13: 50 New
              +1
              Yes, the talking room is all this
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 26 September 2013 09: 37 New
            +9
            And plant apples on Mars ... He got it, really. PR and showman in power.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 09: 46 New
              +9
              Quote: klimpopov
              .. He got it, really. PR and showman in power.

              Klim, and you look at the old article, the day when Rogozin was only appointed. For the fact that I called him journalist propiarina, I grabbed about 100 minuses wassat there komenty all -URRRAAAA! Salvation has come drinks drinks drinks
              a little time has passed and for the same koment I get pluses from those who then minus me, as the last ***** laughing
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 26 September 2013 09: 50 New
                +6
                Yes, about Shoigu remember the article. But time passed and confidence diminished. laughing
                Then, in the wake of his statements, Rogozin seemed to look like the right figure, but time passed and things were still there. Draw conclusions. Oh, play out. I wonder whose Rogozin is a relative?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 09: 56 New
                  +5
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Then, in the wake of his statements, Rogozin seemed to look like the right figure,

                  but he was in Europe then and spoke the right words. Then we heard him, but didn’t see what he was doing. Now we hear him too, but we see that he doesn’t do anything, only says laughing
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  I wonder whose Rogozin is a relative?

                  Hmm, we find out when the investigation will have questions for him winked
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 26 September 2013 10: 06 New
                    +2
                    Hmm, we find out when the investigation will have questions for him

                    And in the end what does he decide? Well, by and large? Nothing ... So they just attached the child, and closer to the toys, so that the child would play, and he then believed that he was the "storm of europop"
                  2. military
                    military 26 September 2013 16: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Now we also hear him, but we see that he does nothing at all, he just says

                    "- Peacock, you say? ..." drinks
                  3. Very old
                    Very old 26 September 2013 21: 53 New
                    0
                    Sanya, YOU (can I?) About what? Do we really have all the little hearts?
                2. Andrey57
                  Andrey57 26 September 2013 12: 02 New
                  +7
                  Rogozin’s father - Oleg Konstantinovich Rogozin, organizer of the defense industry and scientist, lieutenant general, deputy chief of the armament service of the USSR Ministry of Defense (before the 1989 year), died in March 2010 of the year, he was an honored man with brains.
                  1. military
                    military 26 September 2013 16: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey57
                    Rogozin’s father - Oleg Konstantinovich Rogozin, organizer of the defense industry and scientist, lieutenant general, deputy chief of the armament service of the USSR Ministry of Defense (before the 1989 year), died in March 2010 of the year, he was an honored man with brains.

                    there is an opinion that nature often "rests" on children ... repeat
                3. military
                  military 26 September 2013 15: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Rogozin seemed to look like the right figure

                  well-fed and shiny ... like today ... hi
                4. zennon
                  zennon 26 September 2013 16: 34 New
                  +2
                  I wonder whose Rogozin is a relative?

                  His father Oleg Konstantinovich Rogozin, lieutenant general, professor, doctor of technical sciences. Prior to his retirement and retirement, he served as head of the department for advanced weapons systems and first deputy chief of weapons of the USSR Ministry of Defense. Great-grandfather of Dmitry Rogozin was Major General Nikolai Mitkevich-Zholtok, in 1908-1915. police officer in Moscow. Dmitry Olegovich himself has two higher educations, both with an excellent diploma. He knows five languages. Doctor of sciences (philosophy). It was read that the indicator is IQ-134. According to people who know him, he is a person with an excellent memory, excellent horizons. Analyst. At the same time, they noted vindictiveness and conceit. I personally don’t know ...
                  1. alone
                    alone 26 September 2013 20: 23 New
                    0
                    Well, yes, grandfather, great-grandfather, great-grandmother! Maybe I don’t even doubt that his grandfather and great-grandfather were worthy people. No one doubts this. my neighbor’s father was a well-deserved person, an academician. but his son was a simple alcoholic.)) one does not interfere with the other))
                5. maxvet
                  maxvet 26 September 2013 20: 48 New
                  0
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  I wonder whose Rogozin is a relative?

                  in my opinion son-in-law of Livanov (head of Il and father of mine education)
              2. atalef
                atalef 26 September 2013 10: 08 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I for what I called him zhurnalyuga propiarina, grabbed about 100 minuses there komenty all -URRRAAAA!

                Hi Sash, I remember the same thing. Rowed to the fullest.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 10: 34 New
                  +3
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  . So the shi just added a little baby

                  Klim is a child, receives more per month than me and you for 10 hi
                  Quote: atalef
                  . Rowed to the fullest.

                  I’m healthy, there’s nothing to talk about you at all, I looked at the flag and without reading click on the minus wassat
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 26 September 2013 10: 45 New
                    +4
                    Klim is a child, receives more per month than me and you for 10

                    Who studied what ... The most annoying thing is that we pay them. hi
                    And the era of smart and talented engineers, people capable of really creating, apparently passed. All shows and no more ...
                    Previously, for the sake of an idea from the design bureau, people did not leave for weeks - they had to CREATE. And now "-yes, why do I need it, for free for my uncle to plow and then he will eat whiskey and chic in Spain" ...
                    That's what sad Sash. And in order to revive this, it is necessary to clean all areas of our state. First of all, to re-create education from A to Z, without this in any way ... Put religion aside (many problems will go away), and so on ...
                    I’m healthy, there’s nothing to talk about you at all, I looked at the flag and without reading click on the minus

                    Yeah, the checkbox is not popular laughing
                    Remember the picture you sent with a flower? And immediately to the skull wassat
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 13: 54 New
                      +3
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      And the era of smart and talented engineers, people capable of really creating, apparently passed.

                      Well, why has passed, here is a mechanic engineer-creates something, but receives little.
                      Rogozin, does not create anything, but says a lot and gets a lot.
                      The question is, which of these two countries is needed?
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 26 September 2013 14: 29 New
                        +2
                        I’m not saying that there are no talented and clever left, I’m talking about the fact that such people are not held in high esteem, not the same guidelines.
                        Now "heroes" are all sorts of prostitutes and homosexuals from TV, and once the heroes were astronauts, pilots, doctors and actors were just among the prestigious professions (good actors and not former KVN players) that's all. Engineer - that sounded proudly. And now people are embarrassed to say that they are engineers ...
                        That's what I'm Sash about.
                        But the mechanic and Rogozin’s populace, well, I think you know the answer hi drinks
              3. velikoros-xnumx
                velikoros-xnumx 26 September 2013 10: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                a little time has passed and for the same koment I get pluses from those who then minus me, as the last *****

                This is already pleasing, then we are getting smarter smile
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 10: 35 New
                  +3
                  Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                  This is already pleasing, then we are getting smarter

                  No, it's different. If now, someone posted a comment like- "Rogozin said, then he'll do it. Rogozin is a man, and not some yap" I assure you, there will be a record for cons lol
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 26 September 2013 10: 48 New
                    +2
                    In the skull will leave one koment.
                    By the way, you can lay out an agitation for Alyoshka and also break a record. laughing
                    1. Armata
                      Armata 26 September 2013 19: 23 New
                      +4
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      In the skull will leave one koment.
                      Rogozin is a man. and if he said he’ll do it. (men drive me into the skull, so I want to learn new things about myself.) Rogozin is cool, he’s a man. If he said, then maybe not tomorrow, but years through 2 will be mandatory. He didn’t yap.
              4. Vadivak
                Vadivak 26 September 2013 12: 20 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I called him a journalist propiarina, grabbed about 100 minuses


                But I recognized the brainless
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 13: 51 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  But I recognized the brainless

                  "good" half of the site laughingAnd one diligently continues to minus.
                  For Rogozin, For Serdyukov drinks wassat
          3. Tersky
            Tersky 26 September 2013 10: 37 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Tongue scratching not tossing bags.

            Sasha, Vadim, Klim, shorter (and not to list all, smile) .. Hello everyone! hi ! Well, what did you want from a journalist fellow ? In 1986, Rogozin graduated from the international department of the journalism faculty of Moscow State University and got a job in the Committee of Youth Organizations of the USSR. In 1988, he graduated from the Faculty of Economics of the University of Marxism-Leninism under the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU. So for him just the bags with his tongue tossing and turning .. laughing
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 26 September 2013 10: 55 New
              +3
              Voo ... What I'm talking about. The current government and all those "in business" got out of the Komsomol on the wave of the hunchback. Even this one like her, well, the glass drove. For them, the main thing is to furnish everything beautifully, and by the way, they were the ones who wanted a beautiful life following the Western example. Well, many got it. But what we got, I think everyone knows.
              Again, what can a person in science and technology understand with such education? What promising developments can he talk about? He sits in his little blazhka and looks at pictures, but skips through exhibitions where they try to shove a lot of things. If only I read, maybe something new - be made for yourself.
              PS I wonder why politicians do not read? Only FSB officers. bully
              1. Andrey57
                Andrey57 26 September 2013 12: 07 New
                +5
                Valka is a glass maker, about Matvienko in St. Petersburg they said that in Soviet times laughing
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 11: 01 New
              +3
              Quote: Tersky
              In 1988 he graduated from the Economics Department of the University of Marxism-Leninism at the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU.

              CPSU - I see. Vitya, and whose relative is he?
              is healthy hi
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 07 New
                +2
                It was said that he was the grandson of some very serious tsarist diplomat. Shorter than a white bone. But at that I only heard on the Internet.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 September 2013 11: 13 New
                  +2
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  It was said that he was the grandson of some very serious tsarist diplomat. Shorter than a white bone. But at I only heard on the Internet


                  Rogozin Dmitry Olegovich
                  Born December 21, 1963 in Moscow in the family of a serviceman.

                  Father - Oleg Konstantinovich Rogozin, Lieutenant General, Professor, Doctor of Technical Sciences. Prior to his retirement and retirement, he served as head of the department of advanced weapons systems and first deputy chief of weapons of the USSR Ministry of Defense.

                  Born in Moscow in the family of engineer Rogozin Konstantin Pavlovich and aristocrat, a representative of an ancient noble family, Natalia Borisovna Mitkevich-Zholtok.

                  Mother - Tamara Vasilievna Rogozina (Prokofiev). Born in Orenburg in the family of Vasily Ilyich Prokofiev and Evgenia Yakovlevna Popodina. Prior to retirement, she worked in the dental complex of the Moscow Medical Dental Institute. Great-great-grandfather of Dmitry Rogozin - Major General Nikolai Mitkevich-Zholtok, in 1908-1915. police chief of Moscow
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 31 New
                    +1
                    Well, I said white bone. Chegozh on a journalist then unlearn it? Or where did they attach it?
                2. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 26 September 2013 12: 31 New
                  +4
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  It was said that he was the grandson of some very serious tsarist diplomat.


                  Thanks Klim, neighing.


                  Paternal grandfather: Rogozin Konstantin Pavlovich, Russian, comes from wealthy peasants, but about aristocrats this is journalism, read about aristocratic dentists, read that the pancake is not a Pole then a pan aristocrat.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 26 September 2013 13: 53 New
                    +2
                    Well now it’s fashionable for a noble family to be. Remember how the brothers in the 90 drew their emblems and titles?
              2. Vadivak
                Vadivak 26 September 2013 12: 27 New
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Victor, and whose relative is he?


                I'll tell you do not faint

                “The new Minister of Education Dmitry Livanov is the beloved nephew of the current Deputy Prime Minister for the military-industrial complex D.O. Rogozin (son of the older sister (1953) DO Rogozin Tatyana Filippova (Rogozina) and Viktor Livanov, general director of Ilyushin ILC) "

                With all the consequences
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 26 September 2013 20: 55 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  With all the consequences

                  And flowing like in a collective farm outhouse after the "Harvest" holiday, laughing ....
          4. Russ69
            Russ69 26 September 2013 12: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Tongue scratching not tossing bags.

            Rogozin, of course, loves to talk, but in this case, what did he say?
            The program of reusable ships has been discussed for several days. When it will be realized, no one knows yet. Just a prediction or a desire for the future and nothing more ... An official of this class should think over prospects for several years before. Moreover, preliminary work has long been conducted on the Clipper.
            The forum and not such forecasts and desires can be read ... smile
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 26 September 2013 12: 43 New
              +5
              Quote: Russ69
              Rogozin, of course, loves to talk, but in this case, what did he say?


              Let's be serious.
              This program was the largest and most expensive space exploration program in Soviet history. Now its revival is impossible due to the collapsed infrastructure - factories, laboratories, lack of specialists.
              In total, from the beginning of the 80s. In 1991, at the Tushino Machine-Building Plant (TMZ), in cooperation with other enterprises of the aviation industry of the USSR, five flight specimens of the Buran reusable orbiter, as well as eight samples for static, strength, horizontal flight and other types of tests (without space flight capabilities) and technological layouts, including five are full-sized, and the rest are in the form of separate units and airframe compartments (for thermal and vibration strength, thermal vacuum tests and medical research). Of the five flight models, two vehicles were completely built, another glider was brought to a degree of readiness of 30-50%. The airframe of the fourth flight model that was under construction after the closure of the Energy-Buran program was dismantled on the TMZ slipways, when the existing units for the construction of the fifth flight instance were destroyed.
              In addition to the USSR, only the USA could pull such a program. Nobody else. Now I plan to withdraw money for the World Cup from the pension fund. What kind of figs is Buran?

              All that remains of the first flying Buran (1,01) after the roof collapse of the MIC at Baikonur in May 2002
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 26 September 2013 14: 14 New
                0
                Quote: Vadivak
                Let's be serious.
                This program was the largest and most expensive space exploration program in Soviet history. Now its revival is impossible due to the collapsed infrastructure - factories, laboratories, lack of specialists.

                So no word was said about the revival of "Buran" in the form that it was. It was only said about the possible launch of a program of reusable manned spacecraft. Not a single word was said about the timing and no specifics at all. And the fact that sooner or later reusable ships will be built is clear.
                But, on new technologies and more.
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 26 September 2013 14: 45 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Russ69
                  So no word was said about the revival of "Buran" in the form that it was.


                  Who said that?

                  "The country needs to return to the construction of spaceships like the Buran. Do you understand those like that? That is, almost the same. How God created man" in the image and likeness "And with what is this yap going to build them?

                  In 2013, no Tupolev 204/214 and IL-96 aircraft were produced.
                  in Russia there are only 6 long-haul domestic IL-96-300 aircraft. For some reason, this aircraft interferes with all officials in their own country. But he is the safest and did not kill a single passenger, unlike the Boeing and Airbus, which are generally unsafe for health in Russia.

                  Want to know why this is happening? Why won't Rogozin do anything?

                  All foreign aircraft are registered not in Russia, but on the Camor Islands or Bermuda. Leasing payments up to $ 700 thousand per month are deducted there, of which not a cent falls into the Russian budget.

                  This is how, in everything, even the "national property" has in its three shareholders two not at all Russians, only modestly keeps silent about it

                  Gazprom Finance B.v (Netherlands)
                  Ruhrgas Ag (Germany)
                  1. Russ69
                    Russ69 26 September 2013 23: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    “The country needs to return to the construction of spaceships like the Buran. Do you understand those like that?

                    The keyword "similar", which can be interpreted as desired. Moreover, what has been said about the uncertain future.
                    In 2013, no Tupolev 204/214 and IL-96 aircraft were produced.


                    Aircraft with, again. Let's not mix everything ...
                    Vadivak, I do not defend Rogozin, although I relate to him, just fine. And he himself wrote that the current position is not for him.
                    I just don’t like it when they start throwing criticism for any reason, just for the sake of criticism ...
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 09: 40 New
          +1
          Buran then sucked out not really a lot of cabbage and at the same time buried parallel projects, but this became obvious after. Again, the carrier of snowstorm? Atlant? Mriya? Hm. Antonov is already almost in the EU ... So nothing worthwhile ...
        3. avt
          avt 26 September 2013 09: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          Yap.

          To put it mildly. Actually, well, can it be that even one of the relatives will not tell him that he would be less sick at people? This is the opening of the clown’s circus branch in the government. Dunno on the moon somehow.
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 September 2013 09: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: avt
            Dunno on the moon somehow.

            Yes, from love to hate is one step. And probably remember what enthusiasm was on the site when he (Rogozin) was appointed to the defense industry GDP. The site simply groaned enthusiastic squeaks and only that the vests did not tear on the chest and did not write boiling water. in anticipation of how Rogozin will build in a year
            At the same time, Rogozin said the military-industrial complex in 2012 will supply the Ministry of Defense with six nuclear submarines and one aircraft carrier.
            “Until the end of this year, the capacities of the military-industrial complex in the Navy will give us the opportunity to make six boats and one aircraft carrier. We are talking about both modernized boats and boats of the new Borey and Ash projects, ”Rogozin quoted Interfax as saying.

            At the same time, I grabbed a hell of a bunch of minuses, just offering to wait a bit and JUDGE ON MATTERS, as if I expressed concern that this was just another hollow breach (simply based on his behavior and a statement at NATO headquarters).
            Well, the old woman didn’t suffer for a long time, yap - it was yap in Africa too.
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 26 September 2013 10: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Yes, from love to hate is one step.

              As far as I am in the majority of topics, I’m diametrically opposed to you and your opinions, but in this post I agree without reservation.
              Mr. Rogozin is working out his show bread and nothing more.
              But everyone is doing this, starting with barakaobama and ending with dimati.
            2. avt
              avt 26 September 2013 10: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Yes, from love to hate is one step. And probably remember what enthusiasm was on the site when he (Rogozin) was appointed to the defense industry GDP. The site simply groaned enthusiastic squeaks and only that the vests did not tear on the chest and did not write boiling water. in anticipation of how Rogozin will build in a year

              And even then I grabbed the disadvantages when the exalted admirers of this husband of the sovereign offered to look at his "battle path", starting from the Congress of Russian Communities and how the beginnings of his glorious deeds turned out, but simply ended. Everywhere the activity of the talking shop ended in a year as a rule with abuse with "comrades-in-arms." What with the late Skokov and Lebed, what with Glazyev, after a funny hunger strike on a mattress in the building of the former State Planning Committee of the USSR. But there was no business, and no.
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 26 September 2013 15: 17 New
            +4
            Quote: avt
            one of the relatives will not tell him that he would be less sick in public?


            Yes, he and his relatives have the same Litvinov in general, except for the gag reflex of other emotions.
      2. Quiet
        Quiet 26 September 2013 09: 43 New
        +1
        And yet, in vain then they went along the path of Buran and abandoned the orbital plane, the Americans didn’t reach this point until now, and this was not without the help of Soviet developments

        "Thank you very much" Grechko, who said "you don't have to fantasize" and having thrown the papers into the trash can, launched the more expensive Buran project. fool angry
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 09: 52 New
          0
          Well, you know, he was playing in his head "to catch up and overtake" that is, "as there and a little better" - politics.
        2. avt
          avt 26 September 2013 14: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Quiet
          "Thank you very much," Grechko, who said "you can't fantasize" and throwing the papers into the trash can,

          request You seem to be confusing it with an aircraft carrier, he then said - "do like Nimitz". About ,, Buran "I don’t remember something like that, maybe I forgot, but somehow it was different. Yes, Buran" is not a clone of shuttles these are practically two machines - the Energia carrier with accelerators and the Buran itself. Amers have a shuttle, two accelerators and a tank.
      3. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 26 September 2013 17: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: klimpopov
        Blessed memory of Lozinsky, he is so lacking now.

        I agree and support, there are few such people!
        And egosine, i.e. Rogozin turned out to be empty in color, that is, empty-chested. X-Ren PR!
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 18: 09 New
          0
          Lozinsky left behind a lot! And it is up to the descendants to choose. Take advantage or not rich experience.
      4. alone
        alone 26 September 2013 20: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: klimpopov
        Rogozin, stop talking, do it!


        Do not forget dear Klim that Rogozin is primarily a politician. But not a business executive.
        and politicians can only say something. do not his creed!
      5. Very old
        Very old 26 September 2013 21: 46 New
        0
        Elbows are late ... And catching up is harder than hard work
    2. Civil
      Civil 26 September 2013 09: 19 New
      +1
      China won clipper stole and doing going, dreamer Rogozin
      1. Orel
        Orel 26 September 2013 09: 26 New
        +6
        What for? Tueva is a bunch of excellent achievements on the shelves after the USSR. Take any - bring. A purely populist statement.


        You can also launch the T-34 in a series ...
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 September 2013 10: 57 New
        0
        What the hell is China going to do? Only the doer cannot, in particular, aircraft engines. Here, many will be hysterical about the fact that "China already has a 5th generation aircraft!" Well, yes, something flies, and no more. China Clipper from the same series.
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 26 September 2013 09: 31 New
      +5
      "Buran" is no longer relevant today. The idea and technology of the early 80s. We need a completely new apparatus.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 26 September 2013 09: 36 New
        +3
        He then was not particularly relevant by and large.
    4. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 26 September 2013 16: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Canep
      Amers have written off their shuttles to museums, and ours want to return "Buran" from the kingdom of the dead. It should be a brand new car, like the Clipper.

      There is no need to equate. The shuttles, in contrast to the Buran, are manned. Buran is a space "drone".
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2013 17: 07 New
      +1
      "SPIRAL" must be brought back to life !!!
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2013 17: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        "SPIRAL" must be brought back to life !!!

        In general, if you put a spiral. on the contrary, there will be no continuation of life laughing
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 19: 28 New
          +1
          Just a spiral is the first step to those times when people will go to the moon for a picnic. Yes, the project is purely military, but cosmonautics is all this is initially a military project and then everything else.
    6. Joker
      Joker 26 September 2013 20: 11 New
      0
      Aw, wake up, this cranberry is launched so that at least a little bit of dissatisfaction will subside with the eternal falls of our missiles, nothing more.
    7. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman 26 September 2013 20: 13 New
      0
      Most likely it will be similar to the prototype X-37, over time, a Chinese copy of the Amerov spacecraft should appear ...
    8. Realist58
      Realist58 27 September 2013 01: 42 New
      +1
      Nada no tipper. These are all the same eggs only in profile.
      For further space exploration, it is now necessary (URGENT) to reduce the cost of putting payloads into orbit. Amerikosy (in private type) for this is now ALREADY preparing for testing a reusable launch vehicle. And they are developing a ring electromagnetic accelerator for the withdrawal of goods.
      They will manage to do it before us, our space industry is waiting for a place in the garbage.
      We have the READY MAKS (Reusable Aerospace System) project. The project is simple with its genius, and essentially continues the old Singer theme.
      For the project, there are already engines and accelerators and much more. Only there is no funding, well, the brains of our thieves oligarchy.
      In fact, the implementation of the project will make it possible to reduce the price of the deduced KGPN by orders of magnitude, and, accordingly, will provide a very quick payback.

      HOWEVER ... "The figure of the main fighter with incandescent light bulbs, responsible for modernization in the field of nanotechnology, does not inspire optimism, although, perhaps, his activities are designed to distract from more important, secret projects" (c) perto.
  2. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 26 September 2013 09: 15 New
    +4
    Rogozin somehow talks a lot ... Don't you think?
    Already so much has been promised and planned by this figure that ears break from pasta.
    When will we see things? At least in the form of agreements of intent?
    Rogozin plant fairy tales to write, and in his place a less talkative and more determined person negative
    1. Orel
      Orel 26 September 2013 09: 17 New
      +2
      I agree. I suggest that he talk only about what IS already. Anyway, it’s better for all officials of our country to switch to such a scheme of work ...
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 26 September 2013 09: 20 New
        +1
        Yes, he is the same journalist by education, initially unable to create.
    2. Edward72
      Edward72 26 September 2013 09: 29 New
      0
      Fellow GDP drive in the gag Rogozin.
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 26 September 2013 09: 50 New
        0
        Fellow GDP drive in the gag Rogozin.

        As Kuzma Prutkov said (fits Rogozin) "If you have a fountain, shut it up, let the fountain rest" lol
      2. military
        military 26 September 2013 16: 20 New
        0
        Quote: Edward72
        Fellow GDP drive in the gag Rogozin.

        and tell us your own version of "Teremka" ... winked
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 26 September 2013 12: 55 New
      +2
      Indeed, Rogozin started talking. And every time he talks about the future, and not about what ALREADY is working on.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 26 September 2013 18: 10 New
        0
        Just a spiral is the first step to those times when people will go to the moon for a picnic. Yes, the project is purely military, but cosmonautics is all this is initially a military project and then everything else.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 19: 27 New
          0
          Oh, the koment put in the wrong place wassat mi sorry
  3. svp67
    svp67 26 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +2
    These "shy" are already tired. Enough babbling - for the sake of at least one positive example - BRING at least one sample of new space technology - to mind. Where the multi-line Bor and Buran, MAKS, Clipper ... All drowned in words ... Spoken enough, it's time to work.
  4. Muxauk
    Muxauk 26 September 2013 09: 20 New
    +1
    someone yesterday stuttered about a blizzard, renewed sweat, and today is news about the possibility of creating a blizzard))))
    1. Airman
      Airman 26 September 2013 09: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: MuxaHuk
      someone yesterday stuttered about a blizzard, renewed sweat, and today is news about the possibility of creating a blizzard))))

      What difference does it make, Buran, or the Spiral, most importantly, this technique is needed now, otherwise we will find ourselves in deep ... in relation to the Americans and Chinese. But Rogozin does not solve anything, he is simply engaged in populism.
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 September 2013 09: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Povshnik
        What difference does it make, Buran, or Spiral,
        In size, scope and value ...
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 26 September 2013 11: 03 New
        0
        Populism also needs to be dealt with. And they do. The same amers with their F-22 and F-35. And what? Rolls. Sometimes it is necessary to launch misinformation, let the sworn friends turn around in bed at night "Why are the Russians thinking again?"
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 10 New
          +1
          Do not all in one pile. We are not amers, they always have a show of everything and put on a zilch. We need a vice versa. It seems nothing remarkable, but if you start to smell it will not seem enough. I think so. You yourself say that it’s dust in the eyes, so why should your people let it in? Apparently in order to hide or distract something? Inconvenient question, right?
          But the misinformation starts wrong and believe the Americans are better aware of you and me.
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 26 September 2013 09: 58 New
      0
      someone yesterday stuttered about a blizzard, renewed sweat, and today is news about the possibility of creating a blizzard))))

      More than 600 enterprises throughout the USSR worked for "Buran". Figs from the majority of something left! Well, how does Rogozin think (if he is capable of this) to revive the program ?? fool
  5. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 26 September 2013 09: 21 New
    -2
    Rogozin only scratches his tongue.
  6. igordok
    igordok 26 September 2013 09: 21 New
    0
    To step not only on one's own, but also on another's rake - is that our tradition?
  7. Niko-zhukov
    Niko-zhukov 26 September 2013 09: 22 New
    +2
    Well, finally remembered. And then the Chinese are already going to build shuttles.
    I hope this is not just a copy of the old Buran, but something even more cool.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2013 09: 39 New
      -3
      Quote: Niko-zhukov
      I hope this is not just a copy of the old Buran, but something even more cool.

      In general, speaking of the Energy-Buran system - honestly, it has never been neither cool nor cool. She was none. because showed nothing and was in a rather crude form (believe an eyewitness) Of the 3 launches, only one was successful, and even then in unmanned mode (if someone says that it’s cool. I’ll tell you) What’s cooler send station to the moon or deliver a man?
      Here I am about that. the crew was not sent because of a simple one. the inhabited capsule itself did not yet inspire confidence in complete safety.
      Further about the system itself. The first launch of the Energy carrier rocket did not go smoothly. the simulator (Burana) weighing almost 100 tons could not separate at the desired point in the orbit. The second launch (already coupling) The Buran energy ended in failure (it was canceled 2 minutes before the launch (the mast cable did not go away and the gyroscopes in the orientation system did not spin. Well, the only uninhabited flight, 3 turns around the Earth, All military space forces stood on the ears. The runways in Ulan-Ude, Simferopol and Baikonur were released 7 hours before launch (and in Simferopol, the runway is part of the airport) and that’s all. This ended. One flight. What’s successful here? Maybe it would have been successful, but no one will know this, because this system WAS NOT actually. There was the only test launch. And this is a fact.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 09: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        honestly she was never cool or cool. She was none. because showed nothing and was in a rather crude form (believe an eyewitness)

        Sanya, how old were you then, 17-18?
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2013 16: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Sanya, how old were you then, 17-18?

          nineteen crying
      2. svp67
        svp67 26 September 2013 09: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        One flight. What is successful here?

        She was stopped on "takeoff ...". And the success in it is that NO ONE state in the world could repeat such a flight, and this already says a lot ... We perfectly understand our mistakes, but we will not let anyone gloss over our VICTORIES ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 September 2013 10: 06 New
          -1
          Quote: svp67
          She was stopped on "takeoff ...

          Believe me, it does not play any role when stopped. We are talking about the success or not of the system. I, too, was part of this program, a small cog and still in my demobilization album there are photos of Buran from different angles. But we will separate the grain from the chaff. The system did not work. showed nothing because actually did not fly. One flight, without crew, docking. there was no maneuvering in orbit and satellite acquisition (as well as withdrawal) - so how did it manifest itself? Not with anything . Once again I say potentially she could reach the SPACE_ShATL level, she could not. I am generally. when they talk about the potential that would happen if. here it would be. One answer.
          And you know how many geniuses were not born. elementary due to the fact that they could not (even as a sperm) fertilize the egg in time, stupidly stuck in a condom


          Quote: svp67
          that NO ONE state in the world could repeat such a flight, and this already says a lot

          No state in the world has been able to create a working reusable system such as the Space Shuttle and fly over 25 years. This landing in automatic mode and an uninhabited Buran is beautiful - but useless. Not for this was it created. I remember the same shovels made of titanium and glass nails (produced by the defense on conversion) Beautiful - but expensive and useless


          Quote: svp67
          but we won’t let anyone cover our VICTORIES

          When Stalin saw Victory (car) for the first time, He said - Victory is not great. (alluding to size.
          Buran production and launch is an achievement. Alas, it’s not going to win. Excuse me.
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 26 September 2013 10: 12 New
            +4
            Atalef, you're wrong, and technology will always come in handy in any situation. But Buran's prospects were, they did not take advantage of it, so it was on the conscience of the then "leaders".
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 September 2013 10: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Sandov
              Atalef, you are wrong, and technology will always come in handy in any situation. AND

              Of course it will come in handy when a bolt was invented and it is technologically in demand until today. I'm talking about the fact that tens of billions (more of those) rubles were swelled - and, as a result, zilch. And if they use some know-how, the question is whether this is necessary? Is this system needed at all?
              .
              But Buran's prospects were, they did not take advantage of it, so it was on the conscience of the then "leaders".

              Not leaders. Believe me. Buran’s launch cost such monstrous money that the USSR economy simply didn’t pull this system. 1988, the soap was already on coupons.
      3. ultra
        ultra 26 September 2013 16: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        The second launch (already coupling) Energy Buran ended in failure (was canceled 2 minutes before launch

        That is, there was no start-up, but it was still unsuccessful! Cool !!!
  8. VadimL
    VadimL 26 September 2013 09: 24 New
    +3
    As far as I understand, this is not about the resuscitation of the Buran program. This is a new program of reusable ships. Naturally, this new program will also use the developments that were obtained during the creation of "Burans".
  9. atalef
    atalef 26 September 2013 09: 24 New
    +7
    Rogozin generally turned into another storyteller (though it was clear from the very beginning) his statements about aircraft carriers, glonass, etc. etc. - if they were struck by childish naivety, it aroused some bewilderment of the type - not whether he was holding everyone here for suckers.
    Which Buran and why? I attended the first launch I (incidentally, unsuccessful 9 and the second Buran. Already then the officers talked about the exorbitant amount and simply not lifting for the country. The whole country worked on Buran, now the satellites fall once a month, the Mace does not fly, which revive such a project ? Where? Where?
    Well, now the easiest question is - WHY?
    The United States abandoned this proven and fairly reliable program and went ahead, after 3 years they will have a completely new system. For 10 years, Rogozin will reprimand Buran, and as a result, he will lag behind NASA for decades.
    Rogozin is an ordinary soother and hollow. Planting Poplar near NATO headquarters is much simpler than doing something really real.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 26 September 2013 09: 35 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      The USA abandoned this well-established and fairly reliable program and went ahead, in 3 of the year they will have a completely new system

      I welcome you dear!

      could you post info about this miracle system?
    2. user
      user 26 September 2013 09: 40 New
      +2
      But if you noticed the Americans switched to commercial launches of reusable ships. Maybe while reusable systems require such an expensive after flight service, it was right, it is better and cheaper to stamp disposable missiles. But if you change the system of reusable ships, i.e. ships that do not require such service, bring to the level of aircraft maintenance, then its superiority becomes apparent.
      Now, if Ragozin implies this approach, and not the restoration of the Buran system, then it was such an ass to the launch competitors. Well, of course, the country's defense capability, let alone the vulnerability of any enemy orbital system.
    3. Asgard
      Asgard 26 September 2013 09: 49 New
      +6
      I agree.
      The Buran system was created in the same way as Russia is trying to make drones, ANYONE NEEDS DEVICES ...
      Only as a technology development (so instruct students))) why "fence a garden" in the rank of vice-prime minister))))

      Wait, in the power of some talkers, promises, and dreams (unrealized plans))
      Vova wrote program articles in newspapers with specific promises, AND CHO MADE ???
      Medvedev was asked for money for the creation of the Fatherland OS (Operating System)) - he didn’t ...
      Engineer Yunitsky came up with the String Transport System - the poor man bumps around, he builds in Australia (and this business works there)))
      Here is a working sample of the Shkodin engine (I saw it myself and rode it)) Guys have been poking around since the 80s, they have been declared false scientists))) and everything works for them .....
      And Rogozin only in language .......
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 10: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        Here is a working sample of the Shkodin engine

        I see, there’s just gas and a brake, well done man. Only now they will release this to Shkodin, not in Russia request
    4. Quiet
      Quiet 26 September 2013 10: 05 New
      +1
      Plant Poplar near NATO headquarters

      hi You are not mistaken, as if poplars and not "Poplar" ???? laughing lol
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 September 2013 10: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: Quiet
        You are not mistaken, as if poplars and not "Poplar" ????

        Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, in memory of four years in Brussels as permanent representative of the Russian Federation to NATO, intends to plant poplar on the territory of the headquarters of the North Atlantic Alliance, a representative of the Russian diplomatic mission told RIA Novosti on Friday.

        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20120113/538601165.html#ixzz2fybnzbuT

        stupid, children's PR.
  10. Selendis
    Selendis 26 September 2013 09: 32 New
    0
    Well, at the end, a "fresh" idea, and after so many years ... Honor and praise, if the ships - analogues of blizzards, will plow the expanses of the universe;)
  11. Per se.
    Per se. 26 September 2013 09: 33 New
    +5
    Buran also needs Energia, in this sense even the American shuttles, with their gigantic fuel tank and returnable accelerators, were more logical. "Energia" would be useful for assembling an orbital station or sections of an interplanetary spacecraft, for the withdrawal of other heavy loads. As for "Buran", here it would be better to remember about "Spiral".
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2013 10: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Per se.
      Buran also needs Energia; in this sense, even the American shuttles, with their giant fuel tank and returnable accelerators, were more logical

      Not really like that.
      First of all, the SPES SHATL system was completely reusable - including solid fuel boosters and the main tank. They were also returnable, but Tank and accelerators were an integral part of the entire system and could not be used without a shuttle, or rather they could not even. Therefore, if they paid attention at the launch of the Shuttles, their engines worked the same.
      Energy is generally an absolutely autonomous carrier capable of lifting any kind of cargo (up to 120 tons), but it was not reusable and its launch cost just fabulous money. By the way, therefore, when Buran took off, its engines were switched on only in orbit.

      Quote: Per se.
      Energia would be useful for assembling an orbital station or sections of an interplanetary spacecraft

      Energy would be useful only for putting into orbit, because it's just a carrier

      Quote: Per se.
      As for "Buran", here it would be better to remember about "Spiral".

      Yes, there’s nothing to remember. 25 years have passed. whole era. At least 3 technological breakthroughs have occurred. No need to remember. new needs to be developed.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 26 September 2013 11: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        First of all, the SPES SHATL system was completely reusable - including solid fuel boosters and the main tank.
        So, atalef, I am talking about this, as well as about the fact that Energia is a powerful launch vehicle, capable of launching cargo into orbit, such as sections for assembly in orbit of a promising space station or ship. And there is something to remember about "Spiral", at least the principle itself, the idea itself is important here.
  12. major071
    major071 26 September 2013 09: 34 New
    +5
    At first, everything was destroyed, money was stolen, now are we trying to create something again? You can say anything - you need to do it!
  13. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 26 September 2013 09: 53 New
    0
    Another Rogozin statement Wait and see
  14. klimpopov
    klimpopov 26 September 2013 09: 59 New
    +3
    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Wednesday at the Russian Arms Expo-2013 exhibition in Nizhny Tagil that the country needed to return to building space ships like the Buran, which, according to Rogozin, is a good example of space technology in various environments.

    laughing
    1. Armata
      Armata 26 September 2013 10: 50 New
      +4
      Well, Rogozin still promised a lot (giant investments in the aerospace industry, increased costs for ground forces, unprecedented investments in the structure of the Navy and ship construction). Today he puffed up a teddy (what the hell is it to go on the second day, if all the sweetest things were shown on the first?) Now is a break, and then we will listen to his fiery speech.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 11: 00 New
        +5
        Quote: Mechanic
        ) Now is a break, and then we will listen to his fiery speech.

        Zhenya, headphones and good music wink Just watch your hands when everyone starts clapping don't fall behind laughing
        hi hi
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 12 New
          0
          Phaha. Sanya really had fun. laughing
      2. klimpopov
        klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 02 New
        +2
        Greetings! And what is there, even if the layout of Almaty will be? Well, or at least something similar? Even from the lanterns ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 11: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: klimpopov
          And what is there, even if the layout of Almaty will be?

          Yes, Klim will be, instead of Armata, fiery speech is another wassat
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 33 New
            +1
            About how our ships plow the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater wassat
        2. Armata
          Armata 26 September 2013 11: 10 New
          +3
          Klim, why is it so official? Hey.
          Quote: klimpopov
          And what is there, even if the layout of Almaty will be? Well, or at least something similar? Even from the lanterns ...
          Yesterday I was able to write what I could. Only everyone thought that Kaolitsia came out on a wheeled chassis (she stands only on the stand). So on the harp, and then think for yourself what kind of platform was wink The only thing I didn’t know about the exhibition was the stuff of plush today.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 26 September 2013 11: 34 New
            +2
            That I yesterday in the "fields" was wound so IN never and never opened.
            Klim, why is it so official? Hey.

            Hello! Habit)))
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 12: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Mechanic
            Yesterday I was able to write what I could. Only everyone thought that Kaolitsia came out on a wheeled chassis

            Zhenya, what’s this in the photo? The photo is fresh, less than a day ago from you.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 26 September 2013 12: 12 New
              +1
              Damn specially so took a picture so as not to consider it? On the back, it looks like something is missing.
              1. bask
                bask 26 September 2013 20: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: klimpopov
                Damn specially so took a picture so as not to consider it? On the back, it looks like something is missing.

                To make out everything. GSH GM 123 (Su 100, Acacia ,, Geocind ,,)
                And a photo of self-propelled guns ,,, Geocind ,, modernized and now called ,,, COALITION ,,, single-barrel.
                SPG Coalition SV

                SAU Geocind
                1. bask
                  bask 26 September 2013 21: 14 New
                  +1
                  Self-propelled artillery mount SU-100P was created in 1949 and adopted for service in 1955.
                  Weight 21,6 tons
                  Crew 4 people.
                  Dimensions:
                  7800 Length
                  Width 3100
                  Height 2262
                  Armament: 100-mm rifled gun D-50 / D-10A
                  Ammunition: 50 shots
                  Armor protection, mm: Forehead 15 Side 15
                  Engine: B-54-105, 12-cylinder V-shaped diesel
                  Engine power - 400 l / s
                  Maximum speed, km / h: 65
                  Cruising on the highway, km: 300
                  Overcome obstacles: wall height - 0,7 m.
                  The width of the moat is 3 m.
                  The depth of the ford is 1 m.
                  Rise - 60% roll - 30%
                  The caterpillar chassis for the latest self-propelled guns, Kaolicia, was created in 1949. excellent GSh, but could create something newer.
                  Self-propelled artillery installation SU-100P
                2. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 27 September 2013 04: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: bask
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Damn specially so took a picture so as not to consider it? On the back, it looks like something is missing.

                  To make out everything. GSH GM 123 (Su 100, Acacia ,, Geocind ,,)
                  And a photo of self-propelled guns ,,, Geocind ,, modernized and now called ,,, COALITION ,,, single-barrel.
                  SPG Coalition SV

                  SAU Geocind

                  flower bed of comrade Ustinov ...
          3. klimpopov
            klimpopov 26 September 2013 12: 16 New
            +2
            Zhen talked about this photo?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 September 2013 13: 46 New
              +2
              No Klim, there’s a shorter 180mm caliber gun on the Armatov platform. I haven’t seen it, only from the photo video, but the Mechanic still puzzles tosses from the series Guess the melody laughing
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 26 September 2013 13: 59 New
                0
                The 180 caliber is already a carabiner ... But it’s better to put one sharper with a laser to cut the rod and the other American satellites were knocked down while the man was standing and the rod was shut ... In short, it laughing Ya.
                So what in this photo?
                It looks like a European miracle.
                Can be called "luck of the grenade launcher" ....
                And the most important question is "how to ride on the armor?" ...
                1. Armata
                  Armata 26 September 2013 18: 21 New
                  +1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  The 180 caliber is already a carabiner ... But it’s better to put one sharper with a laser to cut the shtob and the other American satellites were knocked down while the man was standing and the shtob was stuck ... In short, I suffered.
                  So what in this photo?
                  It looks like a European miracle.
                  Can be called "luck of the grenade launcher" ....
                  And the most important question is "how to ride on the armor?" ...
                  Klim, yesterday 180 really banged. You can ask Tagiltsev how many glasses were shaking.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 26 September 2013 19: 30 New
                    0
                    Give torpedo calibers to the tanks! wassat millimeters xnumx
                    To go nuts! 180 mm is really a lot. armor is not relevant becomes.
  15. left-wing
    left-wing 26 September 2013 11: 19 New
    +1
    He personally felt the skin of this ship, at our factory (NAPO) it was produced, there is infrastructure and forces, if they need to build more! This is the genius of Soviet engineering!
  16. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 26 September 2013 11: 22 New
    +2
    It feels like he's constantly a little drunk.
  17. RUSS
    RUSS 26 September 2013 11: 38 New
    0
    Rogozin, as usual, "we can, we must, we will ..., but in reality we will buy armored vehicles again from the bourgeoisie! Or else" Buran "wanted to, the launch vehicles almost every day fall, then the satellite will be lost !! !!!!!!!
  18. maestro123
    maestro123 26 September 2013 11: 55 New
    0
    Dmitry Rogozin: “It is necessary to move towards greater ...
    “The dream of my life is never to become a hypothetical minister”
    (C)
    wink
  19. RUSS
    RUSS 26 September 2013 11: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: chunga-changa
    It feels like he's constantly a little drunk.

    Made laugh laughing Thanks for the positive in the morning !!!
  20. sigdoc
    sigdoc 26 September 2013 12: 03 New
    0
    To begin with, I would like to get an answer to the question: Why?
    "Buran" is a military ship, for its rational use a space program with dozens of launches a year is needed. Is there such a program, what are its goals, what is the cost?
    "Buran" is a symbol of the greatness of the USSR and a symbol of its collapse, I would not like to repeat its mistakes
    1. sub307
      sub307 26 September 2013 12: 27 New
      0
      Why worry about the question? Well, Rogozin said, this is how he launched another "cloud". Let's wait and hear something else. But what will we see?
  21. marder4
    marder4 26 September 2013 12: 43 New
    +1
    and why is this needed? (((
  22. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 26 September 2013 13: 01 New
    +1
    To drive such a large "carriage" into orbit and back is expensive. There are no tasks and resources for this yet.
    You just need to finish the Clipper. To start. Cheaper and more real. At the same time, the intellectual component will pull itself up and "fill" the hand. There, you see, it will be possible to take up spacecraft.
  23. MolGro
    MolGro 26 September 2013 14: 04 New
    +1
    the snowstorm itself is not needed !!
    but the rocket "Energia" then yes!
    This thing needs to be revived!
  24. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 26 September 2013 14: 38 New
    0
    Rogozin has something a little tight with priorities. He grabs for everything, he won’t be in time and everything. It’s time to grow up already.
  25. wulf66
    wulf66 26 September 2013 14: 43 New
    +2
    There is a significant difference between Buran and the shuttle. The shuttle could not maneuver in orbit and change it. These were ordinary ships, only reusable and with an airplane landing. So Buran is not an analog of the shuttle.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 September 2013 20: 40 New
      0
      Quote: wulf66
      There is a significant difference between Buran and the shuttle. The shuttle could not maneuver in orbit and change it. These were ordinary ships, only reusable and with an airplane landing. So Buran is not an analog of the shuttle.

      Shuttles could maneuver in orbit. Do not be fooled
      The military presented their requirements for the system:

      The space system should have been capable of putting payloads up to 30 tons into orbit, returning payloads of up to 14,5 tons to Earth, and having a cargo compartment size of at least 18 m long and 4,5 m in diameter. It was the size and weight of the KH-11 KENNAN optical reconnaissance satellite, which was then being designed [source not specified 1018 days], which is comparable in size to the Hubble orbital telescope.
      Provide the possibility of lateral maneuver for an orbital ship up to 2000 km for the convenience of landing on a limited number of military airfields.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 26 September 2013 20: 47 New
        +1
        Sasha welcome ..............
  26. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 26 September 2013 14: 50 New
    +3
    I repeat what I have said before. Rogozin is increasingly reminiscent of a cheap talker. Such people in the defense industry are not needed. Managers, organizers are needed there.

    And the talker Rogozin in NATO was the place.
  27. Shkodnick
    Shkodnick 26 September 2013 17: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Victor, and whose relative is he?


    I'll tell you do not faint

    “The new Minister of Education Dmitry Livanov is the beloved nephew of the current Deputy Prime Minister for the military-industrial complex D.O. Rogozin (son of the older sister (1953) DO Rogozin Tatyana Filippova (Rogozina) and Viktor Livanov, general director of Ilyushin ILC) "

    With all the consequences

    how beloved nephew ??? Bullshit ... sister of D.O. Rogozin, 58 years old, and Livanov, 67 years ... According to the Indian scenario, they skated ???
  28. Altona
    Altona 26 September 2013 20: 03 New
    +3
    For those who do not know, Rogozin is a relative of the Minister of Education Livanov ... We can no longer build "Burany" ... This is naked populism to declare this, many enterprises have been gone for a long time ... Buran built the entire Soviet Union, it was a very expensive program .. Now it is hardly possible to mobilize such efforts to accomplish such a grandiose task ... Even now, even now, it is not always possible to take off conventional missiles ...
    1. Armata
      Armata 26 September 2013 20: 14 New
      +3
      Namesake Now they will tell you for how cool we are, well, you grab a little for Rogozin, get ready for fun. and for koment huge +.
  29. Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 September 2013 20: 34 New
    +5
    Evgenia, that's all our "coolness" .........
    1. Armata
      Armata 26 September 2013 20: 42 New
      +3
      Sanya do not pour sugar on me. We just yesterday sent the rest of the stand for the modified BE200 to the Berievites. But everything was ordered, even the under-covers.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 26 September 2013 21: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        But everything was ordered, even the under-covers.

        Zhenya, Alexander, Andrey, hi , Hello drinks ! I am glad that not diapers ... laughing But jokes aside fellow boasted yes ..
        1. Armata
          Armata 26 September 2013 21: 42 New
          +5
          Quote: Tersky
          Hi Zhenya ! I am glad that they are not diapers ... But jokes aside, they boasted
          Hi Vitya. I would like, but nothing. Exhibition threshing floor. Everything is just old with modernization, damn it really is a stand where the baths are advertised.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 26 September 2013 21: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Mechanic
            stand where advertise baths.
            Well, at least if we throw gangs
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 26 September 2013 21: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: Alex 241
              Well, at least if we throw gangs

              Sasha, what about brooms? This is a nuclear weapon ... laughing Beats on the spite of nationality and religion .. laughing
            2. bask
              bask 26 September 2013 21: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: Alex 241
              Well, at least if we throw gangs

              Sasha, While Ostap Bendery is in power. All hope for gangs angry
            3. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 26 September 2013 23: 34 New
              +2
              Hello, Sasha! The bathhouse is our strategic weapon. Here's the video in the topic laughing
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 26 September 2013 23: 36 New
                +2
                Hi Lesha, I’ve not seen a hundred years. The bathhouse is our everything laughing
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                2. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 27 September 2013 00: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  The bathhouse is our everything
                  Golden words. Who has never been in our village "hack" that and our spirit will not understand. Sash, if you are already 16 years old, then look what I dug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v = wmjVC4UAUvU). It's better about Banya than about another "project" by Mr. Rogozin drinks
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 27 September 2013 00: 10 New
                    +2
                    drinks ...............
                  2. studentmati
                    studentmati 27 September 2013 00: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    Golden words. Who has never been in our village "hack" that and our spirit will not understand. Sash, if you are already 16 years old, then look what I dug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v = wmjVC4UAUvU). It's better about Banya than about another "project" by Mr. Rogozin


                    A masterpiece of Patriotic cinema, however, like a literary masterpiece! Even with a cruel, but real and not embellished end ... To all of them fighters for the Victory a low bow, respect and honor! soldier
                    1. Thunderbolt
                      Thunderbolt 27 September 2013 00: 54 New
                      +2
                      Quote: studentmati
                      for Victory a low bow, respect and honor!
                      Sasha, because for the sake of the Motherland, all this was for us to live.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 27 September 2013 01: 07 New
                        +3
                        ................................................
                      2. studentmati
                        studentmati 27 September 2013 01: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        ................................................



                        Nobody except us!
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 27 September 2013 01: 18 New
                        +1
                        .................
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 27 September 2013 03: 11 New
                +2
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                . Sasha, if you are already 16 years old, then look what I dug up

                Alexei! This is the best your mother good laughing bully wassat drinks
          2. studentmati
            studentmati 27 September 2013 01: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Hi Sasha, the bathhouse is our strategic weapon. Here's a video on the topic of laughing


            Normal, according to Ours! drinks
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 27 September 2013 01: 18 New
              +3
              Quote: studentmati
              Normal, according to Ours!
              Know ours (you can not take 88 PPSh, as in a pharmacy, what the doctor ordered) soldier
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 27 September 2013 01: 20 New
                +2
                No smoking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 27 September 2013 01: 24 New
                  +2
                  Here is another project .......
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 27 September 2013 02: 53 New
                  +3
                  Hi Sasha! fellow drinks
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  No smoking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  What is not the Ministry of Health: will not warn? laughing
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 27 September 2013 02: 54 New
                    +1
                    Hi Ruslan drinks How are you?
                  2. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 27 September 2013 03: 18 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    How are you?

                    They just won’t wait here am I'm back in service soldier
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 26 September 2013 21: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Mechanic
      Everything is just old with modernization, damn it really is a stand where the baths are advertised.

      So we will be steamed ... fellow Only this remains request
    3. bask
      bask 26 September 2013 21: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Mechanic
      stand where advertise baths.

      Zhen, do they even advertise their baths? Or Finnish? what
      But seriously, 20 years of devastation and ludes, should someday affect.
      The problems in the technologies of the USSR are over.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 26 September 2013 22: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: bask
        The problems in the technologies of the USSR are over.



        This is a fact.sad I would like to hear specific proposals from Dmitry Olegovich, and not the general words "can", "wants", "must", ...
        1. bask
          bask 27 September 2013 00: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: studentmati
          from Dmitry Olegovich, and not the general words "may",

          studentmati. I myself, at first, really believed that Rogozin would be able to change the military-industrial complex for the better. But I was mistaken, he is a classic balabol .....
  30. bask
    bask 26 September 2013 21: 44 New
    +2
    Hi zema hi Zhenya.
    Yes, Eugene, where yesterday the promised pictures from the exhibition. request
    Or isn’t that interesting? winked
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 26 September 2013 21: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: bask
      Or isn’t that interesting?

      Zema, give him a breath after the steam room laughing
    2. Armata
      Armata 26 September 2013 21: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: bask
      Yes, Eugene, where yesterday the promised pictures from the exhibition.
      Or isn’t that interesting?
      And fotkat is not yet given cones due to the arrival. Yes, and take pictures only of the old, modernized equipment. What T90MS no one saw?
  • bask
    bask 26 September 2013 20: 51 New
    +4
    Quote: Alex 241
    Evgenia, that's all our "coolness" .....

    Hi Sash.
    To which we are now, as to the moon.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 September 2013 20: 56 New
      +1
      Hi, Andrei, some kind of mysticism was going on with Buran, but if you're interested, check it out.
      1. bask
        bask 26 September 2013 21: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        be some kind of mysticism, but if interested, check out.

        Looked. Thanks for the info.
        Buran prototype - BTS-002
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 September 2013 21: 40 New
          +2
          Like Andrei, here's a link to a unique video. http://krasnoe.tv/node/3316
          1. bask
            bask 26 September 2013 22: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            no link to a unique video. http://krasnoe.tv/node/3316

            I'll take a look at Sanya.
            "" "The film presents unique footage of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th flights of the BTS-002 GLI, a full-size aircraft-analogue of the reusable orbital spacecraft" Buran ", made by the operators of the Myasishchev EMZ during tests at the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky in 1986. Film without editing "" "
            Interesting film.
            Sasha, but these prototype tests, Buran were carried out in the GLITs named after Chkalov, city of Akhtubinsk.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 September 2013 22: 45 New
              +1
              Andrey in Zhukovsky (saw with his own eyes) and in Baikonur. Stankavichus then came to our school, told.
              1. bask
                bask 26 September 2013 23: 14 New
                +2
                Sash, in the first part of the video.
            2. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 September 2013 23: 09 New
              +1
              An analogue of the "Buran" OK, retrofitted with four engines, which carried out a number of flights from the airfield near Moscow in the city of Zhukovsky, to practice piloting during landing after an orbital flight
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 26 September 2013 23: 15 New
                +1
                I also have not heard about the BTS-002 flights in Akhtubinsk. As far as I remember, the third airfield for Buran was in Ulyanovsk.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 26 September 2013 23: 27 New
                  +2
                  Sash, Andrei is right, well done 5+ buddy. Here's the testimony: the 1970s and 1990s are the time of intensive bench and flight tests of aircraft, engines for aircraft, helicopters and missiles for aviation of a new generation. As a result, the MiG-25, MiG-23 and MiG-27, Su-17M and Su-24, MiG-31, Su-25, MiG-29, Su-27 combat aircraft systems, Mi-8 combat helicopters were adopted and Mi-24, Mi-26 transport helicopter, Tu-95, Tu-22M, Tu-160 long-range aircraft, military transport aircraft Il-76, An-72, An-124. And test pilots Wolf, Stankevichus, Bachurin and Boroday, in addition, performed test flights on BTS-002 - the analogue of the unique Buran reusable orbiter.
                  In 1990, the institute acquired a modern name. Today, the GLIC is testing new models of aircraft and weapons, as well as research to expand the combat capabilities of serial aircraft and extend its life. Since 1920, more than 390 types of aircraft have been tested here, of which 280 types were adopted.
                  On the occasion of the GLIC anniversary, celebrations were held at the main base of the Center in the city of Akhtubinsk. As the Air Force press service noted, at the Groshevo training ground, an air show of new models of aviation equipment with its combat use and demonstrations by aerobatic teams of the Russian Air Force “Swifts” and “Russian Knights” took place. An open door was organized for guests, military personnel, members of their families, local residents in the Akhtubinsk air garrison. There, in particular, there was an air and ground demonstration of aircraft models, which are already in service with the Russian army, new developments were demonstrated, a meeting of the GLIC flight crew with the general designers of leading Russian design bureaus was held.
                  1. bask
                    bask 26 September 2013 23: 34 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    BTS-002 - the analogue of the unique Buran reusable orbiter

                    Sash, the hangar for the prototype BTS-002 is still standing.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 26 September 2013 23: 39 New
                      +1
                      Andrei was not there for a hundred years unfortunately.
                  2. studentmati
                    studentmati 26 September 2013 23: 36 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Sasha, Andrey is right, well done buddy 5+.


                    Thanks for the tip. For me, another bookmark in history, requiring further study.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 26 September 2013 23: 57 New
                      +3
                      The last "Buran" of the Empire
                    2. studentmati
                      studentmati 27 September 2013 00: 19 New
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      The last "Buran" of the Empire


                      A meaningful phrase without commas, (you cannot pardon execution). The last "Buran" as the limit of design and technological thought, or as the political ability of the Empire to solve any problem.
                      How do you think, Sash, where to put the comma: execute? or can we still?
                    3. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 27 September 2013 00: 22 New
                      +1
                      Sasha think something like that.the cartoon is more relevant than ever.
                    4. studentmati
                      studentmati 27 September 2013 00: 28 New
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Sasha think something like that.


                      I’m also sure that we can do it! drinks Despite the ever-changing rules of the game. angry
  • studentmati
    studentmati 26 September 2013 22: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex 241
    Hi, Andrei, some kind of mysticism was going on with Buran, but if you're interested, check it out.


    In the fact that a series of incredible tragedies occurred, I will regret the hardest atheist will believe in mysticism.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 September 2013 22: 54 New
      +1
      Sasha and yet people were eager for this car.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 26 September 2013 22: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        Sasha and yet people were eager for this car.


        Each normal and correct pilot will always be eager for such projects, and no mysticism will stop the thirst for learning new and unusual.
  • Tersky
    Tersky 26 September 2013 21: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: bask
    To which we are now, as to the moon.

    Not... No. ,. closer to her, that's how to China in a famous position, that's for sure .. laughing