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In Naberezhnye Chelny, in 2014, the first French armored vehicles Panhard M-11 will be produced

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In Naberezhnye Chelny, in 2014, the first French armored vehicles Panhard M-11 will be produced



The Russian company ASTEYS will launch the first three Panhard M-11 armored vehicles in Naberezhnye Chelny.

The company "ASTEYS" having a twenty-year history, from the beginning of its activity, was engaged in the manufacture of superstructures on the chassis of trucks of domestic and foreign production.

As expected, the machine will be produced in a localized version with a predominant share of Russian components. According to the management of ASTEIS, only transmission and suspension parts will be purchased for production in France.



In 2014, the first three prototypes are planned to be transferred for testing by the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior of Russia.

Earlier it was reported that in Russia it is planned to produce 1300 machines of the VBL family, of which the first 250s will be assembled from vehicle kits supplied from France.
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  1. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 September 2013 06: 46
    18
    If we need 1300 machines of this class as a light bronik, then why buy them from a foreign country, doing screwdriver assembly?

    I do not argue that this model can be good, but the approach itself is again not correct for the mass equipment of troops. Components and spare parts will be required throughout the operation.
    But the unification that everyone is shouting about now doesn’t smell like that.
    Can’t we ourselves develop based on experience?

    Again the same rake, but not Italian, but French?
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 26 September 2013 07: 06
      +7
      Again the same rake, but not Italian, but French?

      Yes, and the toilet is somehow incomprehensible, why is this already 1300 pieces? Serdyukovsky Iveka is better than that ... don’t understand that.
      Someone planned a noble dough cut.
      For how pathetic:
      The company "ASTACE" with a twenty-year history
      laughing Buckets and kungs for equipment to make a business is not tricky, but here right away on a serial armored car!
      What a laugh!
      The FSB and the prosecutor’s office should check the ties of the leadership of this sharaga
    2. bask
      bask 26 September 2013 07: 45
      +7
      Quote: Aleks tv
      If we need 1300 cars of this class as a light bronik, then why buy them from a foreign country

      Good morning to all.
      Already under the stool they released, Iveco-Lynx, so many budgetary grandmas were killed, but they don’t need anyone.
      French armored cars Panhard M-11

      This is a copy of the Turkish armored car ,, Cobra ,, everyone remembers how these armored cars .. screwed up in South Ossetia.
      Saw again earned am there is nowhere to do ???
      1. Walking
        Walking 26 September 2013 18: 41
        +1
        Quote: bask
        Quote: Aleks tv
        If we need 1300 cars of this class as a light bronik, then why buy them from a foreign country

        Good morning to all.
        Already under the stool they released, Iveco-Lynx, so many budgetary grandmas were killed, but they don’t need anyone.
        French armored cars Panhard M-11

        This is a copy of the Turkish armored car ,, Cobra ,, everyone remembers how these armored cars .. screwed up in South Ossetia.
        Saw again earned am there is nowhere to do ???


        Rather, the cobra is a copy of Panard
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    3. Rustam
      Rustam 26 September 2013 08: 20
      +7
      Again 25 sad

      This was the first time I saw this miracle live at Interpolitech-2011, they then breathed it in to the border guards, they made the main emphasis that it was floating!better then IVECO LMV

      having talked then I realized that someone is already pushing the guys and leading to the ultimate goal

      photo (clickable) from the personal archive-Interpolitech-2011

      ps- yes, regarding localization? It's a good thing, but not an example of development of the 80s,
      they shove it hard like a light reconnaissance in exchange for brdm! even when asked to name competitors of the same Tiger, they say that these are cars of various classes


      let's see how to end, well, if they shove it so hard how many years, then it’s clear
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 26 September 2013 08: 38
        +1
        here vidyuha RAE-2013 - not everything is beautiful gentlemen good (speak beautifully) localization and all things, but just take a modern model, and not the development of the 80s
        1. Orel
          Orel 26 September 2013 09: 01
          +1
          If we need 1300 machines of this class as a light bronik, then why buy them from a foreign country, doing screwdriver assembly?


          We are very lagging behind in many industries, including the military-industrial complex, and therefore the screwdriver assembly. We now act like China 20 years ago. First, a screwdriver, so peep, see, train engineers for this assembly, and then "our own". Even if it is reworked ...
          1. sapsan14
            sapsan14 26 September 2013 09: 33
            +1
            Good afternoon!
            I do not really like to criticize, but it begins to enrage slowly ...
            They wrote, but forgot to think. Now, if they wrote:
            First, a screwdriver, so peep, see, train engineers for this assembly, and then "our own".
            , and further examples of "his". But there is nothing of their own from the spy - a clean cut of money.
            But we lagged behind not in sectors (defense industry including), but in managing the economy. There are no true, supreme business leaders. And for traitors the main thing: a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies. Unfortunately.
      2. sergey72
        sergey72 26 September 2013 10: 43
        +1
        Quote: Rustam
        Brazilian 80s development,

        To be precise, in 1986 ....
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 26 September 2013 12: 49
          +1
          More than strange (or criminal?) decision on their production. First bought then they plan to test in Russia, and then, apparently, they will decide where to use it (or on fig do we need him?). Bungling!
          1. January
            January 27 September 2013 00: 15
            0
            This is an initiative from below. Let them produce it - maybe someone will buy it outside, maybe they will buy a little inside.
            Why is excess production bad if it does not replace, but complements existing ones?
    4. AVV
      AVV 26 September 2013 14: 27
      -1
      No need to depend on imported components, otherwise at the most inopportune moment its flow may be blocked !!!
      1. alone
        alone 26 September 2013 21: 55
        0
        what I don’t understand! Is Russia, which makes tanks, armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers, incapable of coming up with its own developments of such armored cars? apparently someone pockets warmed up well, since such armored cars from France decided to collect in Russia.
    5. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 26 September 2013 22: 34
      +2
      Why are you all so frothy? No one will buy them. This is a private company that is trying to survive in the market. minOborona wants to buy armored vehicles, announces a tender. And the more participants there are, the better, competition increases quality and reduces prices.
      So the author of the article gives out the intention of the company and its dreams as a fait accompli. The article is therefore a minus. And competition itself is always a plus.
  2. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 26 September 2013 06: 47
    +4
    I wonder if we need this? Or is it a continuation of stories like Iveco's purchase?
  3. Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 26 September 2013 06: 50
    +4
    Imported armored vehicles again. I don’t understand our worse? Did someone want to cut money for old age?
  4. Denis
    Denis 26 September 2013 06: 52
    +2
    In 2014, the first three prototypes are planned to be transferred for testing by the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia
    And finish off your KB ...
    Is this machine something revolutionary, much different from others?
    Earlier it was reported that in Russia it is planned to produce 1300 machines
    Would such an amount make the weather?
    You have to develop and do your own, the designers have not disappeared
  5. predator.3
    predator.3 26 September 2013 06: 54
    +2
    Floating armored car "Panhard M11" adopted by the French army. It has increased cross-country ability. Wheel formula 4X4. Available in two versions (depending on armament): as a reconnaissance vehicle and as a fire support vehicle. The first is armed with a 7,62 mm (ammunition 3000 rounds) or 12,7 mm machine gun (ammunition 1200 rounds), as well as an anti-tank grenade launcher (ammunition 12 grenades). The second one has an anti-tank missile launcher MILAN with b missiles in a combat bow, as well as a 7,62 mm machine gun (ammunition of 3000 rounds). The machines do not provide for the installation of a tower, the weapons are located openly. The car body is welded from sheets of steel armor with a thickness of 5 - 11,5 mm, which provides protection from 7,62 mm caliber bullets and small fragments of shells.


    The windows are protected by bulletproof glass. Capacity 6 people.
    The turbocharged four-cylinder diesel engine develops a power of about 74 kW (105 hp at 4150 rpm). The transmission is automatic, with three forward gears and one reverse gear. The maximum speed of the car on the highway is 95 km / h, the range is 550 km. All four wheels have disc brakes. Machine dimensions: length 3,7 m, width 2,02 m, height (on the roof) 2,14 m. Weight about 3,5 tons.


    Something our shy away in all directions, then the Italian ivek-lynx, now a Frenchman.
  6. Edward72
    Edward72 26 September 2013 06: 59
    +3
    Well, we provide work for the convicts. And ask for our alms in Russia that the Kulibins have been extinct
  7. Strashila
    Strashila 26 September 2013 07: 00
    +3
    The same eggs ... only in profile ... the Italian experience does not teach anything. If they had established a full cycle of production of an engine, gearbox or bulletproof glass ... then yes praise, and yet another nonsense ... obviously there are lobbyists for this total ... again cut the dough is planned.
    1. Apollo
      26 September 2013 07: 41
      +5
      Good morning everybody hi

      By producing such sophisticated military equipment such as fighters, submarines and tanks, Russia finally can manufacture and produce armored vehicles of its own design in a literal sense. For this reason, I’m negative.


  8. King
    King 26 September 2013 08: 36
    +3
    our UAZ will make the case a little stronger and namgo will do better. what for to us this rubbish.
  9. aud13
    aud13 26 September 2013 08: 48
    +3
    The cost of 13 million rubles !!!
    More than 400 thousand dollars.
    I scored the cost of our "Tiger" on the Internet, they write that it is about 100-120 thousand dollars, that is, 3,5 times less.
    Question to hell is Mr. to buy, for such grandmas?
    How many of these 13 lyamas will return in the form of kickbacks?
  10. Wedmak
    Wedmak 26 September 2013 08: 59
    +3
    Again for the old ... What did the Tiger not please? Put the machine gun on top of it and that's it.
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 26 September 2013 16: 13
      0
      Wedmak
      Put the machine gun up on it and that's it


      Yes, even Topol-m wink Our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation itself orders Tigers-m 3 classes without anything

      Here is a photo from Nizhny Tagil

      Tigers-m with combat modules on the left is Kovrovsky, on the right is Oto Melara (Italy), Hoshsh spatter from French Nekster with their ARX 20
  11. krpmlws
    krpmlws 26 September 2013 09: 05
    +3
    No brainer, it is necessary to create your own armored, amphibious vehicle. Licensed production damages the credibility of our developers, deprives them of funding, because of which there is no support for the design school, experience gained, thereby putting the army on foreign technology in the future. Serdyukovshchina, where is Shoigu and Rogozin looking?
  12. slacker
    slacker 26 September 2013 09: 12
    +1
    The Tatar mafia is cutting loot under the guise of investment!
  13. shark
    shark 26 September 2013 09: 12
    +3
    Cut, how to drink to give a cut. Someone at the top got a bakshish and pushes the next tin can hard. And the saddest thing is that there is practically no way to prevent this from happening or to draw the attention of decision makers to it ..
  14. harrymur
    harrymur 26 September 2013 09: 41
    +2
    as I understand it, no one is imposing it on the warriors, they want to build an assembly in the Russian Federation, let them collect it for me, it doesn’t have any analogues in the Russian Federation, it’s a normal clunker, moreover it’s adopted by the Franks, and our kb mustard plaster, let them do it like that, we always need competition
  15. Eksgayster
    Eksgayster 26 September 2013 09: 48
    +3
    A very decent armored car, plus everything floating. I don’t know why they didn’t pay attention to him before. The Panar company is known for its wheeled armor plates from pre-war times. This Turkish Cobra is similar to Panar because it was developed earlier.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 26 September 2013 10: 48
      0
      Quote: Eksgayster
      wheel armor
      In general, this is a joint Franco-German development ... From a Mercedes, dviglo, gearbox and chassis, on this cocktail - German design ...
  16. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 26 September 2013 10: 16
    +2
    Let's just say that I saw him, sat in it, at the Interpolitech exhibition. The tachanka is cool, BUT compared to the TIGER it loses in armor protection, that is, which fire support vehicle is bolted to it, well, it floats, the dung floats ... I I’d just think about collecting and selling it with us. Anywhere, anyone, together with the paddles, is a business. We don’t need this, our bulk and a small cart.
  17. kontrol
    kontrol 26 September 2013 10: 35
    +2
    here you have shoigu instead of Serdyukov, his good work lives and thrives
  18. Chever
    Chever 26 September 2013 10: 44
    +1
    By the way, how, interestingly, are things with the development of KamAZ-Triumph and the Ural-Typhoon (or what is it right to call them ...)? smile
  19. Just
    Just 26 September 2013 13: 44
    0
    Quote: sapsan14
    Good afternoon!
    I do not really like to criticize, but it begins to enrage slowly ...
    They wrote, but forgot to think. Now, if they wrote:
    First, a screwdriver, so peep, see, train engineers for this assembly, and then "our own".
    , and further examples of "his". But there is nothing of their own from the spy - a clean cut of money.

    Life is not a movie about potter. It is necessary to exploit, study, then create scientific groups, then invent and create your own samples so that they are no worse, then they can already be used and studied in operation, then finalized, then developed documentation, then created production, and only then produced. Long? Well, life is not a fairy tale.
    Once the USSR began the same way, with the purchase and copying of foreign equipment. And over time, became a leader in the most sophisticated military equipment - submarines and aircraft.
  20. Just
    Just 26 September 2013 13: 57
    +3
    For the inattentive - nowhere in the article is it written that this machine will be purchased by the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Yes, they will pass it on for testing. Well, Duc many who donate something to the army for testing, and all the same BMPs, armored personnel carriers and other AK are purchased. I can assume that all this "good", basically, will be sold to third countries, and not to us.
    Well, one should not forget that the task is to get closer to European countries. With established trade, it is easier to find a common language in critical situations, such as 08.08.08 or the Syrian conflict. The position of our main trading partner in Europe (Germany) in the Syrian showdowns, this once again confirmed. Our task is to bring down the colossus on dollar legs - usa. For this you need to be friends with Europe.
  21. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 26 September 2013 14: 44
    +1
    A very good armored car ... for patrolling Moscow Chertanovo! smile
    1. Walking
      Walking 26 September 2013 18: 46
      +2
      Quote: Milafon
      A very good armored car ... for patrolling Moscow Chertanovo! smile



      For DPS? fellow
  22. ShtyrliTTS
    ShtyrliTTS 26 September 2013 14: 48
    0
    It is strange that in parallel with the development of armata, they do not consider the assembly of abrams or any leklers with leopards for their own needs.
  23. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 26 September 2013 15: 31
    -1
    I understand that the design bureaus of our car industry live separately from the population. But you can pay attention to the works of homemade products. At regional gatherings of jeepers, such pepelalats are exhibited that not a single Western car was close either in terms of cost price or in cross-country ability. It's not such a problem, but the margin of power and strength in the self-employed ones is laid in excess. It's bad that there is no state support for the "Kulibins" - but Skolkovo is invented for billions of EIGHT-WINGED WORKS