Military Review

Fight For the Far East

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Report of Igor Shumeiko at the conference of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems ...


My report is devoted to today's most important region, the bridge of Russia in the 21 century - the Far East.

Today, the most famous statement of the American politician about Siberia is, of course: “It’s not fair that all the riches of Siberia belong only to the Russians” - Madeleine Albright. But the focus of my book is different: as if the fair old woman didn’t have to say it again: “It’s unfair that all the riches of Siberia belong to ... the Chinese”.

141 million Chinese live in two provinces adjacent to the border in the Far East. Russians in the Far East and Eastern Siberia - 6 million. What does история? - in our development of the Far East - also an encrypted current situation, the conditions for its preservation ...

In a Russia-China relationship, there has never been a “task with two rotating bodies”. As in astronomical calculations of the orbits, the “third body” was always present. And who is the "Sun" there, who is the "Earth", who is who? - will distribute, competing, Mrs. History with Mrs. Propaganda. So far, all 370 years (the period of our contacts), these masks are constantly changing.

The first "Third Body" was Manchuria. A “landmark” coincidence: 1644, Russia's first expedition to Amur (Poyarkova), and 1644 - the Manchus seized China, creating the Qing dynasty. The first successful campaigns (Khabarova) and the first failure, the defeat on Korcheevskoy onions 1658. The Treaty of Nerchinsk (1689), the historical letter of the Chinese emperor Kansi to Peter the First sum up that period: “The Russian state is cold and distant, if I sent my troops, everyone would freeze, and at least seize something, then what profit ? And our side is hot, and if imperial majesty sends its troops against me, they can die in vain, because they are not used to the heat ”(1720).

Further, the “third body” has become, let's call it: “NATO of the 19 century.” England and France, Opium Wars, the seizure of capitals. In modern terms, the operation "Tea in exchange for opium." Bogdykhan powerlessly observes how the "NATO members" place opium curl in the country, take out tea, silk, and porcelain. That is why China is so pleased with the new appearance of Russia on the Amur, on the Pacific Ocean. Today, panic superchargers report: on some Chinese maps of the Far East (the Amur region and Primorye) are depicted as Chinese. Yes, they were so, while in 1850-ies of Nevelskoy and Muravyov again, like Poyarkov and Khabarovs began to clean up the empty edge to their hands. Explicitly, peacefully. with China handed them to Russia. The most important geopolitical fact: NOT after any war. Not by force, but by its ... necessity Russia receives the Amur region, Primorye. The rulers of millennial China calculated that the three-body configuration would be sustainable, and ...

... and the calculations of the Confucian sages were brilliantly justified in the 20 century. Japan has become a new “third body”, shredding China tirelessly since 1894. And Russia, even after losing to the Russian-Japanese, even having civilized itself, remains on the shore of the Pacific Ocean ... Managing to help Mahojedunov not only Bogdykhanov, but China. True, the fact that they got their need - we can lose its uselessness, dispersed worthlessness.

The motives of the "Great geographical discoveries"

What was the reason for the extraordinary movements and state efforts in the “Great 16th Century,” as Marx called it? Approximately at the time when Russia went to the Urals and to Siberia - Spain and Portugal equally pushed the boundaries of the known world. When the Netherlands and England, France joined this movement ... Russia has already reached the Pacific Ocean. The “paradox”, our consciousness, the subconscious with the ingrained topic of “Struggle for Existence”, “social Darwinism” suggests: new means of subsistence, life and food resources. They have Malthus, we have Nikolai Alekseich Nekrasov: “There is a King in the world, this King is merciless. Hunger - nickname to him. "

It is difficult to object, remembering the potatoes brought by the Great Discoveries which saved him from starvation. And ... the "savior" is already the time of Khrushchev - corn. Millions of plowed acres of America and Siberia: the expansion of the food base. But this is a kind of aberration, running about the consequences before the causes! European expeditions were equipped, if you remember exactly: for Spices. The horizon of the world parted: thirst for ginger and cinnamon. Pepper, coriander, cloves, nutmeg. India and the Islands of Spice (Moluk) were the only goal. Vasco da Gama, having lost two of the four ships, on his, returning - got rich. It is estimated that 700% of income ... And the expedition of Magellan, already without him, paid for the costs of one of the remaining five ships.

But ... NOT quenching hunger, on the contrary, stimulation of appetite (that is, hunger) is a function of spices. Europe, with its wines, olive oil, onions, garlic, vinegar, herbs, fruits ... was "on sustainable self-sufficiency." Overseas spices - a kind of "redundancy." And the calculated profitability of the Spice trade, 700-800%, indirectly refers to “redundancy”. After all, had someone 700% - on everyday, “basic” products, on which Hunger / non-Hunger depends, he would have all the money of Europe in three years, and the economy would have disappeared as such ...

Some kind of invariance: the first motive of the Russian march to Siberia is also well known and somewhat similar to the Western motive. Fur. After all, the Russian-European forests gave almost all the necessary furs (not counting the sheepskin and hides of domesticated animals): bear, hare, squirrel, beaver, fox, lynx, ferret, marten ... even an ermine for royal robes. But ... in Siberia there was a sable.

Walking with my family at the Zoo, I with a very special sense of surprise, gratitude, affection, even stop at the cage of this flexible, mobile handsome, who paid for his brilliant, satin sandpaper - the Russian development of Siberia ... The best, darkest skin, (in language furriers: "head", the most expensive in the world), was at the Barguzinsky sable. Siberian oil and gas, hydropower plants, cellulose, aluminum giants, and tomorrow's (if you recall the pictures of the world drawn by political scientists and future major resources), a quarter of the world's fresh water, Baikal ... everything turned out to be a pendant, addition, surprise for the descendants of the remote Sable hunters.

Not. The picture of our historical memory will never be complete, and we will remain inert, ungrateful inhabitants, until we put up - the Monument to the Sable. Zverok - geopolitics.

Sable was also found in Western Siberia, but the Cossacks, the hunters, had not yet exhausted this source, moved on, for the best. And why is this fur of the Barguzin Sable better? Dependence is simple, monumental and just, like the laws of the universe: the farther to the East, the harsher the climate is, the colder the winter is, this is Mother Nature and took care to dress up her children. And not only dress up, give, a stock of vital energy. In the book "Fishing animals of our reservoirs" Kaverznev, caught an interesting fact: "According to the Moscow customs assessment XNUMHgoda: Pound beaver stream of the Ukrainian beaver: 1674rub, Siberian: 1,5rub"

Another thing is that the main consumers of furs were the Chinese, residents of the Middle East, (the word “coat” comes from “Juba”, a city in Mesopotamia), but about the flavors of Taste that drove, for example, Europeans to discover the world in pursuit of cinnamon and nutmeg already said.

Ordinary sable pelts cost 1-2 ruble, the best 20-30 ruble, but ... this, I repeat, was not an ordinary product, but rather a work of art, and some sable pelts reached in the price up to ... 400, 500, and up to 550 (record) then rubles! Piece of art? First, there are experts, the class of consumers who distinguished 5 ruble, from 20, and from those beyond. Secondly, 550 of rubles is comparable to the cost of the current, combined hand-drawn Picasso, Matisse.

In the 1650-ies, export reached 145.000 with small skins. The royal treasury ... in sables, black foxes, and ermines was estimated at 600.000rub, 33% of the then state revenue. Historians, attentive enough to the texture of life, noted that the country had risen after the Time of Troubles, largely due to this new source of wealth.

The Cossacks went to impose Yasak indigenous tribes. Next are the Russian hunters, "warriors", "skladniki", gathered in the artels, sharing the prey strictly equally. They gave in kind - "tithe fee." The skins were laid out on 40, an old Russian measure (“forty forty”): “top to bottom, middle to middle, thin to thin”. Customs kisses copied furs, issued "otpiski", the remaining skins branded.

Exhaustion did not keep waiting. Indigenous tribes shot sable archery, Russian hunters came with new tools: “coolers” (oppressive traps), “sweeps” (nets), mining increased several times. By the end of the 17 century, a ban was imposed on sable fishing, and the famous “Gold-boiling Mangazeya” (Salekhard) had already managed to fly up and fall into desolation. In 1670-s, half of those who came to Siberia were returning home. But ... the main historical result: Russian life after the "sable fever" was not interrupted. Slowly increased the price of "non-naked fur", fish, sea animal, "frozen tooth" (walrus tusk). The settlers willingly put on military service, went to the merchants, the bread-growers ... and the “plowed” path affected the geography of our further advancement in Siberia - the Far East, and caused a peculiar geographical phenomenon to which so little attention was paid.

"Geographically Fur Theorem"

And a quick glance at the map of Siberia will reveal to you a simple truth: the four main Siberian rivers Irtysh, Ob, Yenisei, Lena flowed across our movement to the East and only one along the Amur. These four are called “barriers, obstacles” - somewhat superficially, more correctly: more often a water barrier than a waterway. Question: at what latitude, north or south to overcome these obstacles? Band of choice: 2.000 kilometers, from the Arctic to the steppe line, nomadic demesne.

From general considerations it seems that it would be better - to the south. After all, the Arctic Ocean serves at least some kind of communication only today, in the age of nuclear-powered icebreakers. And in general, what does “it would be better” ?! - after all, this is how the Trans-Siberian Railway, the backbone of Siberia, went through ... But the trick is that the line of the first advance into Siberia did not at all coincide with the 19 tract of the century, but it went much, much further north. Recall milestones:

Tobolsk is founded in 1587, Tomsk is in 1604, Yakutsk is in 1618, Okhotsk is in 1638. That is ... Kamchatka, Alaska, even ... California reached 250 (!) Years before they reached this supporting axis of present-day Russia: Ural - Vladivostok.

The highest specific cost: the best sable skins surpassed the price of gold a lot by their weight. A quarter, a third of the Russian budget could bring, and 250let brought! several teams with pack horses - along that northern hunting trail Okhotsk-Yakutsk.

What is the deception of "Political cards"? On some of them, the mighty Russian Empire was painted over with a dull green, olive color: a great stretch from the Baltic, the Black Sea, stretching to the Pacific Ocean. Sometimes on the sidebars - the map of Alaska, “Russian America” was also attached. Sometimes, the fill color instead of olive was pink, true for chromatic continuity with the future of the USSR. What is the cunning and deception of this magnificent drawing? We are talking here about the maps of the Russian Empire (an important detail) until 1860 of the year, before the Beijing Treaty, without the Amur Region and Primorye.

They said, and rightly so, that Russia is not a colonial empire, like Spain, Portugal, Britain. Visible image: here is a single, coherent, like a living body, a country, half of Eurasia. Compare with the picture of the same Portuguese or Dutch colonial empires: there is a scrap, a patch here, a coastal strip, here a point of the city ...

That deception of unity and coherence of the Russian state body was revealed by impartial physical maps - on which there are usually no dotted lines of state borders (they are also so mobile, temporary!), But there are eternal borders, there are shades of blue and blue - the depths of lakes, seas, oceans , there are unshakable patterns of brown color: mountains.

The entire eastern part of the country, access to the ocean through the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Kamchatka, Alaska - were cut off from Russia: the very mountains that the Lena River had turned at right angles met. Behind the Verkhoyansk Range, on the icy shore, the lonely Okhotsk loomed. And further, beyond the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, imposingly looking Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, then Alaska. How was the fleet built there? It is clear that the forest is local, the tool, the nails, the compasses, the canvas were all dragged along. But the ropes had to be cut in Yakutsk, and the anchors were cut, because of which they greatly lost their strength - because the “road” to Okhotsk, through the Verkhoyansk range, Dzhugdzhur was a “luge-pack” path. 1261 is a kilometer (I cite the figure on the basis of the route being laid today), and Okhotsk reached what can be loaded onto horses.

Further. The main global point of sale of furs was Canton (now Hong Kong). And after the whalers, active British dealers came to the Russian Kamchatka and Alaska, with offers (so far) to sell furs on the spot. 80-90% of the income got to the British. Alternative, Russian way of delivering Russian Alaskan furs: through Okhotsk, by the same path to Yakutsk, and then by caravans to Kyakhta - the center of Russian-Chinese trade. The price in Kyakhta, a far north outpost of Chinese trade, is significantly lower than in Hong Kong. Speaking in modern terminology: CIF-Kyahta was much lower than CIF-Canton. But the most amazing - time. The Russian route for delivering Russian fur to China at that time took ... 2 (two) years. The figure itself is shameful and insulting in itself, worse than any Russophobic, “DeCustrin” libel, but even the furs in that road were very spoiled ...

But the Crimean War was advancing, and our Pacific fortresses, being ruined by mischief-makers - American whalers, were to meet the Anglo-French navy. In general, our situation cannot be described except for our expression: the Far East kept its snot.

That is the illusiveness of the “single state body of Russia” on impressively deceitful political maps. And for that, the cousin of the seven main Decembrists (including Muraviev-Apostolov), Nikolai Nikolayevich Muravyov, was given the title “Count of Amur”.

Amur. Second coming

Ants saw the key to the Russian Far East: Cupid. Nevelsky's salutary discovery: Sakhalin is still an island, and as a result, Amur has a navigable estuary (since the times of La Perouse, it was believed that Sakhalin is connected to the mainland by gigantic sands in which Amur is lost).

The first step in the development of the Amur region was military expeditions (rafting) on ​​Amur Governor General Muravyov. Delivered military equipment and food. In the Shilkinsky Plant was prepared flotilla: 75 barges, 4 dies, flagship: Argun steamboat, built on donations from the merchant Kuznetsov.

"On the second day of 3, an hour of the afternoon entered the waters of Cupid ... Ants, scooping up Amur water into a glass, congratulated everyone ... Solemn minute, after a two-century gap, the Russians on Amur!"

By the end of 1855 in the lower reaches of the Amur, there are five Russian settlements. The flotilla of Muravyov came to rescue our far-eastern coast, at the very last moment. Soon the united squadrons of Great Britain and France approached Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.

Wars The emperors

Traces of our “readiness” for the Crimean War (paradox!) Are visible in the popular and now rumors about Alaska. That it did not seem to be sold to the Americans, but leased on 99 for years. Even politicians "trump": we demand to return rented Alaska!

No, alas! - Alaska is sold, "clean", but where did these long-term rumors about renting come from ?! The Russian-American Company saw that the only chance to preserve Russian Alaska was its “fictitious lease”, for three years, as the Anglo-French fleet comes in, to show a piece of paper. Private property!

For thirty years, Emperor Nicholas I and Nesselrode were engaged in Poland, Hungary, the Sacred Union, successfully gathering a pan-European coalition against Russia. Against this vigorous diplomatic “work”, the army over 40 years is (just a unique case in history) the absolute zero of changes! For weapons and tactics, just a “photo” of the victorious 1812 army of the year.

The allies, who were in 1812 (the point of comparison, as a memorable "1913 level of the year"), practically equal in arms, made a jump in three main areas: rifled guns, rifled artillery, steam fleet.

First, the maneuverability period: three battles lost in the Crimea, but one thing they won. For their quick-rifle rifles, the guns paid with blood, according to the established increased loss rate, but this is also a war, similar to the previous ones, with some chances. The siege of Sevastopol, the first period - with cores against rifled artillery shells, is also a payback for an increased coefficient, but this is also a usual war: sorties, repulses of assaults. Artillery duels, the delivery of projectiles / nuclei, replacement of retired guns and calculations. We have: on oxen, on dirt back roads, twice a year, in the spring and in the fall, just turning off from the scattering. The British by rail (the first railway in the Crimea - Balaklava-Sevastopol).

New, contactless (from our side!) War. The bombings, from August 24, “the Allies silenced the artillery of Malakhov Kurgan and the 2 Bastion,” killed 3 thousands a day, with no possibility of inflicting retaliatory losses, similar to those of the Serbs and NATO in 1999. Therefore, Gorchakov leaves Sevastopol. "First Logistics War"! Competition traffic flows, ton-kilometers ...

In the Pacific, you can find the only monarch who supported (feasible) the work of our Nicholas the First. I do not know whether you will laugh or cry, but this one turned out to be ... Kamehameha the Third King of the Hawaiian Islands! Of course, the leaders of the island tribes of Tahiti, Fiji, Papua, Hawaii were called "kings" with some irony, but, as one well-known politician said a hundred years after the events described: "I have no other kings for you!"

But even the shadow of possible snobbery will leave the reader: in a letter of March 1854, King Kamehameha the Third warned our governor that he had reliable information about a possible attack on the Petropavlovsk British and French in the summer. At the level of transport-communication at that time, it was really very valuable information!

16 guns and 350 soldiers (Amur alloy Muravyev) was enough to repulse the first assault on Petropavlovsk. In May, 1855, the Anglo-French fleet came again, in a double composition ... But Petropavlovsk was empty. All the property, the remaining guns, people were loaded onto ships and taken out ... Where? And once again, please look at the map. Great Pacific, and retreat - nowhere! Russian Alaska is covered with a piece of paper, a pseudo-lease agreement, the entire Asian coast: the icy desert. Evacuated people will die without British landings. Is it possible - to the Hawaiian Islands ... to Pearl Harbor ... to the only "ally" Kamehamehe the Third !? And the discovery of Nevelsky again affected: the mouth of the Amur! Scientists denied it as a fact a few years ago, it accepted ships with the evacuated garrison of Petropavlovsk.

"Second Logistic" rightly called the Russian-Japanese war. In the equations of the sum of the weights of the projectiles ejected - both parts have grown incredibly, and now only the railway could save the situation. Count Witte and managed to build it five months before the outbreak of war. 1 July 1903 launched the Trans-Siberian Railway, still without Circum-Baikal, ferrying trains through Baikal (and in the winter putting rails on Baikal ice), on the same day, they began to transfer troops to the Far East. Army Corps, 30.000 pax transported for 1 month. Without the saving thread of Transsib - Vladivostok, like Port Arthur, would have turned into Sevastopol 50-year-old. Witte's great merit: Russia remained in the Far East. Conduct a blitz survey: from 100, people who know Witte's nickname “Count of Semi-Sakhalin” - how many will know that in May the military council asked Emperor Nicholas II to make peace, and 16 in July, 1905, with battles (costing 70 Japanese killed ) was all Sakhalin surrendered? So Witte, having concluded the 5 of September, the Portsmouth Peace, in fact, won half of Sakhalin. Black ingratitude.

Today…

A certain “Comfort Life Coefficient” established in Moscow assesses the regions as a fraction. Numerator - convertible natural wealth. The denominator is the problems of this region, population, supply difficulties, relations with geopolitical neighbors ... Interest in any region is directly proportional to the size of this KKZH, and the ideal territory of Russia would look at the limit - resembling the outlines of the Republic of Chile: just extended from the oil fields / gas pipelines, past the “subsidized regions” - to the borders of the buying countries ... They understand: without Siberian oil and gas, many successful politicians, political scientists, analysts, marketing specialists would find themselves in the same Moldova, with shovels E and brooms in hands.

Territories are always drawn to the coasts and the hypothetical estrangement of the Far East would start the process of a certain "geographical gangrene", the consistent detachment of regions to the Urals ...

East Asia-Europe is the main transport route of modernity and foreseeable future. The cost of turnover in 2000 was $ 237,9 billion. Now, the vessels on the Indian Ocean and the Suez Canal operate mainly on the route, leaving our heartland Transsib somewhere with 5% of traffic. The first idea: to lay another kilometer of 400-600 of our, Russian gauge, from Brest to the European terminals and ... finally get to work!
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  1. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 26 September 2013 18: 43 New
    +9
    Those wishing to pinch off a piece of another from SIBERIA and the FAR EAST in RUSSIA are a dime a dozen, I am more afraid of people like DAM.
    After his revelations in the morning you wake up in your bed on someone else’s territory.
    1. ElektriK123
      ElektriK123 26 September 2013 18: 56 New
      +1
      And what can you do ... We have almost no army there, the Chinese will probably capture a week, if of course the heroes still remain worthy of their ancestors.
      1. alone
        alone 26 September 2013 19: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: ElektriK123
        We have almost no army there, the Chinese will probably capture a week, if of course the heroes still remain worthy of their ancestors.


        the Chinese are not stupid. there’s no reason to fight. they are acting purposefully. as long as there is a Strategic Missile Forces, no one will go to Russia
        1. selbrat
          selbrat 26 September 2013 19: 21 New
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          Quote: lonely
          . while there is a Strategic Missile Forces, no one will stick into Russia

          Yes, they have been hiding for a long time already. There is a quiet creeping occupation. Our people are leaving the Far East, and the Chinese are quietly settling. And the further east, the more deputies and heads of administrations are elected with Chinese money. Their interests are lobbying accordingly. Well, of course they don’t need. So, quiet glanders here we settle.
          1. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 26 September 2013 21: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: selbrat
            Yes, they have been hiding for a long time already. There is a quiet creeping occupation. Our people are leaving the Far East, and the Chinese are quietly settling. And the further east, the more deputies and heads of administrations are elected with Chinese money. Their interests are lobbying accordingly. Well, of course they don’t need. So, quiet glanders here we settle.


            Because there is no master, if there was a master in the country, he would not allow this. And this one is a talker.
          2. vahatak
            vahatak 26 September 2013 22: 15 New
            +3
            What is happening today is still flowering. The true occupation will begin when the economy in China begins to slow down. Then millions will flood.
            1. Bigriver
              Bigriver 27 September 2013 05: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: vahatak
              ... The real occupation will begin when the economy in China begins to slow down. Then millions will flood.

              Yeah, as someone here specified earlier - with hundred-meter columns, in rows of twenty people. laughing
          3. Bigriver
            Bigriver 27 September 2013 05: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: selbrat
            ... Our people travel from the Far East, and the Chinas are quietly populated.
            And the farther east, the more deputies and heads of administrations with Chinese money elected.

            1. Where and in what quantities do the Chinese get Russian citizenship, registration, and buy real estate?
            2. Which specific deputies and heads of administrations do you personally consider elected with Chinese money? And on what basis do you think?
          4. Far East
            Far East 27 September 2013 14: 59 New
            0
            Quote: selbrat
            There is a quiet creeping occupation. Our people are leaving the Far East, and the Chinese are quietly populating. And the further east, the more deputies and heads of administrations with Chinese money

            how much you can already write! sho they became much less in the Far East. than in 2000. hi
        2. AVV
          AVV 26 September 2013 22: 58 New
          +5
          The Chinese, at least now, need allies !!! There will be no allies, America will slowly but surely remove its competitor and the applicant for the title of the first economy in the world! And without normal relations with Russia, nothing shines for China !!!
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 September 2013 06: 19 New
        +1
        да ...войск мало там,но может это сознательно ?накладно содержать огромную армию,и всё-равно не будет она больше да и качественней уже(надо признать)чем у китая,так что 6 млн.населения получается-заложники, в случае большого шухера- поджарятся в ядерных грибах вместе с"братьями навек"...а по другому -никак.... в рукопашной схватке нам не светит,сто на одного это как то не вариант. what
      3. Far East
        Far East 27 September 2013 14: 56 New
        0
        Quote: ElektriK123
        We have almost no army there, the Chinese will probably capture a week, if of course the heroes still remain worthy of their ancestors.

        did you dream it? or McCain is talking to you on the phone! hi
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    3. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 26 September 2013 21: 44 New
      +3
      The first idea: to lay another 400-600 kilometers of our, Russian gauge, from Brest to European terminals, and ... finally get down to business!
      - вот именно, а не вкладывать накопления в абсолютно ненужные проекты типа - новой кольцевой вокруг Москвы - или высокоскоростной дороги до Казани. Кому нужны эти проекты - Кремль опять элиты насыщает? В БАМ я понимаю - это необходимо, а в эти "мега проекты" для кого и чего это делается?
      1. QWERTY
        QWERTY 26 September 2013 23: 02 New
        +3
        It’s saturating the elites. If you pick the Russian Railways, it’s cooler than MO with Serdyukov. They saw there, they saw it. Standard rollback for the construction contract = 35% of the estimate. Plus the purchase of equipment through the general contractor (some desk with the director and chief accountant, but without the staff of the worker in general. Here's an example - the total construction budget is 240 million rubles. Of these, the subcontractor (whoever really works and builds) gets 65 million - 35% - the purchase of materials. Therefore, all estimates are overvalued so about 2 times, otherwise no one really works there will be, at a loss. Plus on the railway there is a developed system of milking subchikov-approval, authorization, etc., etc.
    4. Amur
      Amur 27 September 2013 06: 30 New
      +2
      I live in the Far East and see that money, time and people who want it are only for projects to transfer resources to China and grandiose construction projects in preparation for the summit.
      At the same time, a local resident receives only the high cost of gasoline and electricity and their constant growth.
      You say a cosmodrome and other projects where it is stated that local people will work there and earn money? It is possible that the insane, in terms of accounting, project of the Vostochny spaceport will help Russia as a whole, but the local resident already had to appreciate its charms when, when calculating wages, it turns out that it is much lower than the declared average.
      There will be no good life in the Far East until conditions are created for conducting production, which include tax benefits, reduced tariffs for electric energy and fuel, and developed transport infrastructure. This probably applies to the whole country. So the conclusion in the government (or where decisions are made) is developed, what is profitable now and do not care about the future, that is, not according to the state.
      And lastly, about the Opium Wars. We must get rid of vodka and cigarettes! It’s good that they started to do it at the level of state bodies - to pass laws, etc., but this is not enough, you need to build warm sports complexes so that you can practice in the winter (minisoccer is the result), swimming pools and promote a healthy lifestyle.
  2. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 26 September 2013 18: 48 New
    +3
    from the Don.
    OWNER of Russia is needed, and not sloth!
  3. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 26 September 2013 18: 57 New
    0
    When will the site contain articles about the Far East and Siberia that are competent and adequate people, and not dense ignoramuses, like the author of this article?
    Is it really difficult to look at a geographical map and take an interest in climate, real economy and population density?
    There is no wealth in Siberia and the Far East, the development of ALL deposits there is unprofitable, at world market prices. Modern upstream oil and gas and other enterprises exist ONLY due to capital investments of the USSR and their exemption from repayment of loans.
    The Chinese do not need our Far East and Siberia, there they will have nothing to eat, in the permafrost of land suitable for farming less than 1%.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 26 September 2013 19: 03 New
      +1
      It is worth comparing the map of permafrost distribution with population density and it becomes clear why people are leaving the Far East and from Siberia. And Siberia is too tough for the Chinese and Yankees, they don’t have so many who want to live in those conditions, only Russians can, es-s-but with the support of the state.
      1. not good
        not good 27 September 2013 00: 06 New
        +1
        Well, you are so competent and adequate, enlighten us to dense ignoramuses, publish an article with your point of view, (well, such as our answer is faded) and the audience of the site will discuss.
      2. a52333
        a52333 27 September 2013 00: 20 New
        0
        I agree with you. Waved !!! In the morning the Wahhabis in Tatarstan - ah ah, everything was gone !, after dinner, the Chinese in the Far East ah-ah, surround. Chesslovo like scared children. The Chinese have where to settle. They do not fucking live where it’s uncomfortable. They even settle in the states in California, and you can’t drive a stick into neighboring Nevada or Arizona.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 27 September 2013 02: 12 New
          -1
          Quote: a52333
          after lunch, the Chinese in the Far East ah, surround

          I am now in Khabarovsk, there are really many Chinese. The truth is also enough Koreans.
          1. Bigriver
            Bigriver 27 September 2013 05: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: Nayhas

            I am now in Khabarovsk, there are really many Chinese. The truth is also enough Koreans.

            I live the third ten years in Khabarovsk.
            There are really many Chinese only in the clothing market. More - nowhere.
            1. Far East
              Far East 27 September 2013 15: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: BigRiver
              I live the third decade in Khabarovsk:.

              good good good well done!
            2. Nayhas
              Nayhas 28 September 2013 02: 32 New
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              Quote: BigRiver
              There are really many Chinese only in the clothing market. More - nowhere.

              Come on you. Straight only in the market? Recently I was at Komsomolskaya Square, so about 20 of them passed by, men and women, dirty as hell, from a construction site or something. And they are found in the city, in the shopping center, on the street. I’m not saying that the city is crowded with Chinese, but there are many of them.
              PS: I don’t know about your birth rate, but two of the locals said that they were planning to move from Khabarovsk to the south.
              1. Far East
                Far East 28 September 2013 09: 31 New
                0
                Quote: Nayhas
                Come on you. Straight only in the market? Recently on Komsomolskaya Square was, so about 20 people passed by me, men and women

                maybe it's gastric! the Chinese are not dirty!
                1. Hoist
                  Hoist 30 September 2013 05: 51 New
                  0
                  It’s also in Khabarovsk since birth, it used to seem (or maybe it was) that there were more Chinese, now they somehow have resolved. Mostly they sell clothes at the markets, but work at construction sites, you can still find them in the fields in greenhouses. Nowadays, Tajiks / Uzbeks / Azerbaijanis and other people from the Middle East are more likely to catch the eye (I apologize, but I can hardly distinguish them).
                  And an interesting point, I’m traveling around the city, if the utilizer is traveling, then in 70% of cases it’s a Middle Eastern resident, if Kruzak 200 is coming, some kind of Infinity QX56 thread, or Patrol is fresh - 50 percent, which again is either from the Middle East or from Korea and for frequent age up to 35 years. Well, you see good education and gold hands.
                  In the summer, he rested on Voronezh-1 (near Khabarovsk) on the banks of the Amur - 2- and 3-story cottages behind high fences, expensive cars. Of the inhabitants of these houses, only one Slavic person met, at least a couple of gypsy families were, a couple more from the southern republics. But I did not see the Chinese. So the Chinese problem is somewhat contrived now.
    2. Su24
      Su24 26 September 2013 20: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Corsair5912
      When will the site contain articles about the Far East and Siberia that are competent and adequate people, and not dense ignoramuses, like the author of this article?
      Is it really difficult to look at a geographical map and take an interest in climate, real economy and population density?
      There is no wealth in Siberia and the Far East, the development of ALL deposits there is unprofitable, at world market prices. Modern upstream oil and gas and other enterprises exist ONLY due to capital investments of the USSR and their exemption from repayment of loans.
      The Chinese do not need our Far East and Siberia, there they will have nothing to eat, in the permafrost of land suitable for farming less than 1%.


      Thanks, laughed.
    3. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 27 September 2013 06: 10 New
      0
      Take a ride around the cities and villages of Primorye, I’m sure you will change your mind ... On the fields, there are some Chinese in cities in clothing markets (Ussuriysk) too ... hi
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 27 September 2013 06: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Valery Neon
        Take a ride around the cities and villages of Primorye, I’m sure you will change your mind ... On the fields, there are some Chinese in cities in clothing markets (Ussuriysk) too ... hi

        I know not only Primorye, but also the Far East as a whole. I travel a lot and regularly for work needs. And I can compare the current state of the issue sucked from the finger, with its state of 20 years ago.
        That's specifically about Primorye. Was there three weeks ago. It was in the center and in distant areas: Shkotovo, Fokino, Nakhodka, Wrangel, etc.
        Do you know what the local people are most concerned about? The influx of people from the fraternal republics of Central Asia. This influx is due to large APEC construction projects that have ended. And apparently, Asians, in such numbers, will not stay here. Just the projects are over and there is no more work.
        As for the Chinese. There are NOT more of them than it was in the 90s. They sit in the same niches as 15-20 years ago: trade in the lowest segment (up to 90%), the rest is cafes, restaurants, car service, a little agricultural and construction.
    4. Far East
      Far East 27 September 2013 15: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair5912
      There is no wealth in Siberia and the Far East, the development of ALL deposits there is unprofitable, at world market prices. Modern upstream oil and gas and other enterprises exist ONLY due to capital investments of the USSR and their exemption from repayment of loans.
      The Chinese do not need our Far East and Siberia, there they will have nothing to eat, in the permafrost of land suitable for farming less than 1%.

      yes sir! here you grab it! if not for SIBERIA, AND DV! don't be offended! Russia would be in full ... OPE! where did you study diamonds at school oil, gas, wood, gold, fish prom. etc. you first study and then write comments! hi
  4. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 26 September 2013 19: 11 New
    +8
    What nonsense are you talking about.
    In Soviet times, I worked in geology in these areas and I will tell you BLESSED PLACES.
    I agree with you only in one our beloved government has struck a bolt on the people living there.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 26 September 2013 20: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      What nonsense are you talking about.
      In Soviet times, I worked in geology in these areas and I will tell you BLESSED PLACES.
      I agree with you only in one our beloved government has struck a bolt on the people living there.

      What do you call bullshit?
      I worked as the head of the geological department of the expedition in the MCM system during the Soviet era and after the Soviet Union, I made an economic assessment on the instructions of Moscow for the entire SME of the Urals, Siberia and the Far East and not amateurish (oh, what blessed places !!!), but professionally.
      Every brick, every nut, food, etc. must be imported there.
      1. Committee
        Committee 26 September 2013 21: 11 New
        +3
        Ну китайцы то все это легко завезут: и гайки и кирпичи, что угодно. А вот впадать в уныние не нужно. "Избранные на китайские деньги" - это не "избранные народом", ДВ никто уже не отдаст.
      2. Pablo_K
        Pablo_K 26 September 2013 21: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Corsair5912
        Every brick, every nut, food, etc. must be imported there.

        where did you work in the North? there really need to import everything. Or maybe they heard the phrase: go to the mainland?
        So this means a trip from Bodaibo to Irkutsk, where the climate is normal, and nothing needs to be imported there, there are also factories and agriculture. And the climate on both banks of the Amur River is not very different
        Quote: Corsair5912
        There is no wealth in Siberia and the Far East, the development of ALL deposits there is unprofitable, at world market prices. Modern upstream oil and gas and other enterprises exist ONLY due to capital investments of the USSR and their exemption from repayment of loans.

        Yes, metal and coal prices have been falling for three years now, but half of our budget is oil and gas, and where do they come from?
      3. Far East
        Far East 27 September 2013 15: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Corsair5912
        What do you call bullshit?
        I worked as the head of the geological department of the expedition in the MCM system during the Soviet era and after the Soviet Union, I made an economic assessment on the instructions of Moscow for the entire SME of the Urals, Siberia and the Far East and not amateurish (oh, what blessed places !!!), but professionally.
        Every brick, every nut, food, etc. must be imported there.

        I am truly sorry for you! like in the Soviet Union, the education was excellent and you are nonsense hi
    2. Far East
      Far East 27 September 2013 15: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      What nonsense are you talking about.
      In Soviet times, I worked in geology in these areas and I will tell you BLESSED PLACES.
      I agree with you only in one our beloved government has struck a bolt on the people living there.

      +++++++++++ you and not the people who are looking to learn geography! good
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 September 2013 19: 12 New
    +8
    Russia has been surrounded on all sides and is banging its teeth on our Far East, Siberia, and the Arctic! TEETH WILL BREAK! Their ears are from a dead ass and not our national wealth ..
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 26 September 2013 21: 49 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia has been surrounded on all sides and is banging its teeth on our Far East, Siberia, and the Arctic! TEETH WILL BREAK! Their ears are from a dead ass and not our national wealth ..


      So who listened to us under such a toothless power.
      1. a52333
        a52333 27 September 2013 00: 23 New
        +1
        toothless power
        What are you talking about? Where are you from? Not a Frenchman?
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 27 September 2013 10: 16 New
          0
          Quote: a52333
          toothless power
          What are you talking about? Where are you from? Not a Frenchman?


          А вы? Из сша? Американец? А то ваши комменты читаю - прям как из конгресса сша. Надеюсь не "дырявый"?
  6. 020205
    020205 26 September 2013 19: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: ElektriK123
    And what can you do ... We have almost no army there, the Chinese will probably capture a week, if of course the heroes still remain worthy of their ancestors.

    what the hell are the Chinese, what a pancake for the constant myths about the evil Chinese who will come and capture Siberia? I live in Siberia, or rather in the Irkutsk region, and with all confidence I declare that there’s no global threat here, they don’t capture anyone and behave so that they wouldn’t catch my eye again if they needed them after the collapse Mongolia was also captured by the Soviet Union and Siberia. I served in the Army in the Chita Region 120 km from China, so there are no military units there right up to Chita, only Soviet ruins stand, well, except for the PV
  7. WIN969
    WIN969 26 September 2013 19: 38 New
    +6
    In India, 1 billion 300 million people live the same way, since China and India have a common border, and the territory of India is much smaller than China, most likely in the future China will not begin to spoof Russia, but on the contrary, China will protect its territories from occupation by India. And the number of Chinese who migrate to Russia will not be dangerous. Moreover, when there was the USSR, it could calmly take away territories from China, but we did not do this, and they hope they remember that.
    The only invaders are the Yankees, who are now illegally acquiring Siberian lands.
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 September 2013 20: 02 New
    0
    Quote: WIN969
    In India, 1 billion 300 million people live the same way, since China and India have a common border, and the territory of India is much smaller than China, most likely in the future China will not begin to spoof Russia, but on the contrary, China will protect its territories from occupation by India. And the number of Chinese who migrate to Russia will not be dangerous. Moreover, when there was the USSR, it could calmly take away territories from China, but we did not do this, and they hope they remember that.
    The only invaders are the Yankees, who are now illegally acquiring Siberian lands.

    You think geopolitically well!
  9. varov14
    varov14 26 September 2013 20: 53 New
    +2
    Оно им надо, климат суровый, да мы и сами готовы трубу им кинуть, они еще и цену сбросят, сделают одолжение. Украина опять-же не прочь 3 мл га земли ссудить, климат явно не сибирский. Вот янки не прочь к рукам богатства сибирские прибрать, да и приберут, власть и продаст. Просто вместо газпрома будет какой-нибудь шелл или как там, ну и вместо русского еврея "вексельберга" будет американский еврей.
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  11. Alikovo
    Alikovo 26 September 2013 21: 36 New
    -1
    the Chinese are not able to withstand -20C, not to mention -50C.
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      1. bask
        bask 26 September 2013 22: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        The Chinese stsuki, very persistent, can withstand. The most hairy person in the world is Chinese Yu Zhenhuang.

        The Chinese are cockroaches, in human form. laughing
    2. 505506
      505506 27 September 2013 10: 18 New
      +1
      The Chinese do not always wear hats in the cold to minus 20, they walk and play snowballs merrily. In my city, the tamper reaches -45, and they have been coming and not coughing for 25 years. Truth and aggression do not show, unlike the former brothers in the USSR.
  12. rugor
    rugor 26 September 2013 22: 06 New
    +4
    There are so many Chinese that they can afford 95% of the extinction of immigrants, the remaining 5% will survive anything.
    1. marder4
      marder4 26 September 2013 22: 09 New
      +1
      precisely noticed
  13. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 26 September 2013 22: 11 New
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    Well, from the point of view of settlement, neither Siberia nor the village of East are interesting to China and the West! if only Japan, they simply have nowhere to go! everybody cares! very interested in the bowels and external wealth of the regions! that's just few people decide to live there! the climate is harsh! and I want and prick)))
    1. Very old
      Very old 26 September 2013 22: 16 New
      +2
      Uh, my friend. One, what the fuck ass in vain?
  14. 020205
    020205 26 September 2013 23: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Alikovo
    the Chinese are not able to withstand -20C, not to mention -50C.

    come on, but how do they live in Russia, but have you personally been in the Trans-Baikal Territory? or have you just heard about Siberia
  15. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 26 September 2013 23: 48 New
    +3
    Our people need to create such living conditions in the Far East so that the people rush there .... and Muscovites too ..... 15-20 million people. But do our government know how to think that? ...
  16. 020205
    020205 26 September 2013 23: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: Grigorich 1962
    Our people need to create such living conditions in the Far East so that the people rush there .... and Muscovites too ..... 15-20 million people. But do our government know how to think that? ...

    We do not need Muscovites in the Far East, not in Siberia
  17. voliador
    voliador 27 September 2013 00: 28 New
    +1
    We’ll give a meter of our land today - tomorrow they chop off everything!
  18. polly
    polly 27 September 2013 01: 01 New
    +5
    The Far East is quietly sleeping on their land: we are not afraid of the Chinese, we are friends with them; the climate, for example, in Primorye, is excellent; yesterday, rare snowflakes flew in the Moscow Region, and here we have more than twenty summers!
    The blessed land is rich in mineral resources, flora and fauna! It is interesting, of course, to all neighbors, but Russia only owned it, and it will own it! We need to look to the future with optimism, we will equip all the outskirts, if there is no squabble among ourselves, but less should be looked into America’s mouth from our government gentlemen.
    And this picture was taken by me in the vicinity of our city. Who will give this beauty to the foreign adversary?
    1. Far East
      Far East 27 September 2013 15: 20 New
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      Quote: polly
      The Far East is quietly sleeping on their land: we are not afraid of the Chinese, we are friends with them; the climate, for example, in Primorye, is excellent; yesterday, rare snowflakes flew in the Moscow Region, and here we have more than twenty summers!

      good in in, we have one parallel with Sochi, and we have a tamper + 20-22 right now, and you! coldly! here you have the climate! you just need to visit one day and see everything with your own eyes. I am sorry for you, who writes such comments! hi
  19. 020205
    020205 27 September 2013 01: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: polly
    The Far East is quietly sleeping on their land: we are not afraid of the Chinese, we are friends with them; the climate, for example, in Primorye, is excellent; yesterday, rare snowflakes flew in the Moscow Region, and here we have more than twenty summers!
    The blessed land is rich in mineral resources, flora and fauna! It is interesting, of course, to all neighbors, but Russia only owned it, and it will own it! We need to look to the future with optimism, we will equip all the outskirts, if there is no squabble among ourselves, but less should be looked into America’s mouth from our government gentlemen.
    And this picture was taken by me in the vicinity of our city. Who will give this beauty to the foreign adversary?

    hi from the Baikal region !!! and the Chinese are really not our enemies
    1. polly
      polly 27 September 2013 02: 57 New
      +3
      020205! hi And your places can not be compared with anything. good I skirted Baikal along the Trans-Siberian Railway - it is simply breathtaking from such natural splendor!
    2. selbrat
      selbrat 27 September 2013 07: 25 New
      -4
      Quote: 020205
      and the Chinese are really not our enemies

      Here it is, typical Russian naivety. For a long time, everyone knows Asians can’t be trusted. Even they themselves talk about it. They smile at you today, and tomorrow they will stick a knife in the back. Do not be naive.
  20. navy1301
    navy1301 27 September 2013 02: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: 020205
    the Chinese are really not our enemies

    Присоединяюсь - зачем награждать статусом "враги" нации о которых мало кто имеет хоть какое то понятие - большую обеспокоенность вызывает поток рабочей силы из средней Азии. Со всеми вытекающими......
  21. 020205
    020205 27 September 2013 03: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: polly
    020205! hi And your places can not be compared with anything. good I skirted Baikal along the Trans-Siberian Railway - it is simply breathtaking from such natural splendor!

    so here I live and enjoy every day that God gave me the opportunity to live next to the most beautiful creation near him wink
  22. 020205
    020205 27 September 2013 03: 57 New
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    Quote: navy1301
    Quote: 020205
    the Chinese are really not our enemies

    Присоединяюсь - зачем награждать статусом "враги" нации о которых мало кто имеет хоть какое то понятие - большую обеспокоенность вызывает поток рабочей силы из средней Азии. Со всеми вытекающими......

    so I say the Chinese are a very peace-loving nation, who is who and we certainly are not enemies, they are coming to us to study with us, in the Russian Federation they behave very politely, with the exception of some, but there are some in every nation ...
  23. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 27 September 2013 03: 59 New
    +1
    But as a friend, I would not write them all down. Last year I worked with the Chinese and about 20 percent were definitely good guys. And when he worked for a month at Burkhal’s site, there were 60 Chinese and about 20 Russians, it was evident there how disdainful they were of the Russians. But there were among them very good ones. Two welders worked with me and they were real friends, and as specialists they were good. But where I would not advise them more than Russian. However, this applies to all nations except the Russians.
    1. Samy
      Samy 27 September 2013 07: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: vjatsergey
      However, this applies to all nations except Russian


      How many Chinese got a head off and perished in the vastness of Siberia and the Far East? How many attendants shook cops and officials from them - you can’t take so much. I think the Chinese with whom you worked did not learn ballroom dancing and did not have academic degrees. And yet - look at the behavior of Russians in Suifenh or Manchuria. That's where tolerance, culture, manners .. laughing
  24. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 27 September 2013 04: 19 New
    +1
    Here we are all called for tolerance, and the Russians are already the most tolerant. One Armenian excavator operator worked for us and no one humiliated him with anything, but imagine that there would be one Russian and the rest of another nationality, I would not envy this Russian. So I’m thinking why we are taught tolerance, if so we are the most tolerant of all, however, until they bring us to white heat.
  25. Khan93
    Khan93 27 September 2013 04: 46 New
    +2
    Chinese Chinese ...
    Rave. Not the Chinese are the main threat, but the crowds of migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus. I myself live in the Far East and I want to say that we have more than the Chinese people mentioned above. And I’m much more happy about the Chinese then, because they don’t behave boorishly and there are much fewer crimes on their part than other visitors.
  26. Samy
    Samy 27 September 2013 05: 25 New
    +3
    Очередной алармисткий бред. Начнем хотя бы с того, что население двух прилежащих провинций не 140, а 68 млн чел. Хотя для нашего ДВ и это большая разница. Теперь по существу. Китайцы приезжают, да, работают, да, сеют-пашут и покупают квартиры, но ровно настолько, насколько им позволяют наши законы. Или насколько местные власти позволяют им обойти эти законы. И не более того. Нет таких Чайна-Таунов, как в С-Франциско, например (где никто не кричит "караул, чайна-экспансия!"), а их там больше, чем на всем ДВ и Сибири, вместе взятых. Есть отдельные личности, женившиеся на русских и живущие в России постоянно, но это единицы и скорее исключение. Они занимают рабочие места, где мы не работаем (стройки, сельхозрабочие), возделывают земли, которые мы уже бросили (никто не выгонит русского фермера с его земли), готовую продукцию, кстати, реализуют нам же. Заготавливают лес и вывозят его в Китай, в том числе нелегально. Ну так а где таможня, полиция, кто позволяет им это делать? Взятки дают и везут? Так не берите и не пропускайте. Контрабанда - это НАША проблема, а не китайская, точно также воруют и вывозят лес в Китай чеченцы, даги, русские, российские корейцы... Работа китайцев на русских полях и сдача этих полей в аренду - это НАША проблема. Китайцы на стройках, мелких ресторанах и сфере услуг (тот же ремонт машин) - это НАША проблема. Они занимают пустующие места и ниши в сфере производства. Там, где все занято нами, китайцев нет. Так что не надо искать внешнего врага, порядок у себя надо наводить прежде всего.
  27. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 27 September 2013 05: 28 New
    -1
    "Последние проводимые учения ГО и ЧС в Амурской области показали, что даже если Зейская ГЭС будет сбрасывать воду в холостом режиме, в количестве 7000 куб/м в секунду, то северному Китаю приходит хана". А если серьёзно, то из-за холостого сброса воды Зейской ГЭС в Северном Китае пострадало 2 000 000 человек, затоплено территорий гораздо больше чем у нас и это только холостой сброс, а если спустят всю воду из двух ГЭС? Сейчас третья достраивается и ещё закладываться будут две. Вся их 2-ух миллионная армия потонет на глубине около 9-10 метров. картинка в тему: Надпись на арке постарайтесь прочитать. Арка была построена на берегу Амура напротив китайского берега в ознаменование приезда цесаревича. С их берега тоже арка видна. Надпись гласит "Земля амурская была есть и будет Русскою". Написана 18... каком-то году.
  28. EGORKA
    EGORKA 27 September 2013 05: 42 New
    0
    For any you can’t relax ...
  29. 020205
    020205 27 September 2013 06: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Khan93
    Chinese Chinese ...
    Rave. Not the Chinese are the main threat, but the crowds of migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus. I myself live in the Far East and I want to say that we have more than the Chinese people mentioned above. And I’m much more happy about the Chinese then, because they don’t behave boorishly and there are much fewer crimes on their part than other visitors.

    it’s not about the Armenians and the Chinese, by the way, the latter are very friendly people, but they are also found in the upbringing of the Chinese, I drank vodka with the Kirghiz about 3 weeks ago, so there were 10 fellow countrymen and they never allowed themselves to speak Kyrgyz with me spoke Russian, this is called respect, this is the brotherly people ...
  30. 020205
    020205 27 September 2013 06: 37 New
    0
    Quote: 020205
    Quote: Khan93
    Chinese Chinese ...
    Rave. Not the Chinese are the main threat, but the crowds of migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus. I myself live in the Far East and I want to say that we have more than the Chinese people mentioned above. And I’m much more happy about the Chinese then, because they don’t behave boorishly and there are much fewer crimes on their part than other visitors.

    it’s not about the Armenians and the Chinese, by the way, the latter are very friendly people, but they are also found in the upbringing of the Chinese, I drank vodka with the Kirghiz about 3 weeks ago, so there were 10 fellow countrymen and they never allowed themselves to speak Kyrgyz with me spoke Russian, this is called respect, this is the brotherly people ...

    oh damn mixed up, I'm sitting torturing the mind repeat
  31. Bigriver
    Bigriver 27 September 2013 06: 43 New
    +3
    Any publication on a HE in the Far East or a Chinese topic serves as the basis for the collection of the Fiction Literature Club from the central regions of the Russian Federation.
    And it doesn’t matter what happens here in the Far East and what problems people live in.
    "Большое видится на расстояньи" (С. Есенин).
    From Saratov, Peter and Rostov know better whether we have a creeping Chinese expansion here or not.
    winked
    I can give the Club such a Temko.
    The absence of discussions, topics, materials on Chinese issues at the regional Far Eastern forums and the mass media speaks of the total control of the population by the local authorities and security forces, bought by Chinese capital in the bud belay
    1. Samy
      Samy 27 September 2013 07: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: BigRiver
      Any publication on HE in the Far East or a Chinese topic serves as the basis for the collection of the Fiction Literature Club from the central regions of the Russian Federation


      Exactly. Nothing to add.
      1. dmb
        dmb 27 September 2013 09: 31 New
        +2
        Вы абсолютно правы. Когда из Моршанска решают проблему Кавказа, то уровень примерно такой же. Но беда не в том, что люди интересуются проблемой, далекой от региона их проживания, а в том, что некоторые ничего не зная и не желая знать об обсуждаемой проблеме, сразу начинают давать советы "космического масштаба и космической же глупости".
  32. 020205
    020205 27 September 2013 06: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: vjatsergey
    But as a friend, I would not write them all down. Last year I worked with the Chinese and about 20 percent were definitely good guys. And when he worked for a month at Burkhal’s site, there were 60 Chinese and about 20 Russians, it was evident there how disdainful they were of the Russians. But there were among them very good ones. Two welders worked with me and they were real friends, and as specialists they were good. But where I would not advise them more than Russian. However, this applies to all nations except the Russians.

    yeah, if there were more than 80% of Russians, they would kiss a foreigner in the ass, respectively, would call a burbot and would align their hands in accordance with who would understand from Siberia ...
  33. 020205
    020205 27 September 2013 07: 06 New
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    Quote: BigRiver
    Any publication on a HE in the Far East or a Chinese topic serves as the basis for the collection of the Fiction Literature Club from the central regions of the Russian Federation.
    And it doesn’t matter what happens here in the Far East and what problems people live in.
    "Большое видится на расстояньи" (С. Есенин).
    From Saratov, Peter and Rostov know better whether we have a creeping Chinese expansion here or not.
    winked
    I can give the Club such a Temko.
    The absence of discussions, topics, materials on Chinese issues at the regional Far Eastern forums and the mass media speaks of the total control of the population by the local authorities and security forces, bought by Chinese capital in the bud belay

    Plus, it’s not likely, you can say they took off the tongue ...
  34. Letnab
    Letnab 27 September 2013 08: 29 New
    +2
    I live in the Far East and, like many, I am also worried about the increase in the number of citizens of China, Central Asia and the Caucasus.
    But somehow you pay less attention to the Chinese, although there are questions to them on some topics, but our fellow citizens from the Caucasus, Transcaucasia and citizens of the Near Abroad have to pay more attention, often because of their behavior, which causes irritation. Correspondingly, anger toward our authorities, which essentially encourages them to establish their own rules, seems to have laws, the executive branch, but somehow our officials are very pleased to receive gifts brought by newcomers. And citizens have such gifts in Central Asia, in our Caucasian republics in the order of things, it seems that he has given human attention to the boss, and he will help you in solving even legitimate requirements ... just as habitually, gifts are also received by our bureaucrats, but only The Russians have traditions to bring gifts, but it’s nice to receive it anyway, and accordingly, the official receiving the gift turns his opportunity in power against his fellow citizens, fellow countrymen .... Which is disgusting to all of us!
    By the way, the conclusion about gifts was made by reading the information on the same site, when discussing a similar topic!
  35. Betahon
    Betahon 27 September 2013 10: 12 New
    -1
    In Russia, an important role in preserving the natural wealth and borders of distant frontiers was played by distant Cossack outposts, which served as frontier outposts, regular troops (second tier) and actually voluntary squads. The adjacent territory was constantly probed for possible sabotage, provocation, penetration, etc. Currently, this system has begun to fail due to a loss of understanding of the main adversary and a hidden, weak migration work.
    The solution to the issue of preserving the Far East consists, first of all, in using the old positive experience. Secondly, it is necessary to ensure strict border-migration, environmental and economic control. You need to start a business with an inventory on all issues — the use of natural and labor resources, law enforcement practices for violators, effective control and monitoring of the entire territory.
  36. polly
    polly 27 September 2013 18: 26 New
    +2
    I’m glad that the Far East, who are tales of scary-scary Chinese belay только ввергнешь в недоумение! Да я в Москве, в "Ашане", больше китайцев в один день видела, чем у себя в городе. Азиатским же "ножом в спину" пугают противники крепнущих русско-китайских добрососедских отношений,которые многим как кость в горле...
  37. sashka
    sashka 30 September 2013 11: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan Mechanic
    And do not forget to write on the forehead - I WAS ON THE DIKE and now I know what and how
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    Ну вот примерно такое отношение у власти и зажравшихся "бюргеров". Стыдно и печально что такие на сайт приходят и учат уму разуму..Было бы не плохо для них чтобы все утонули. И нет проблем. А так сплошная головная боль.. В то время когда Народ тонул двухголовые в сочи смотрели на "борцов" по какому-то там "виду" . Абсолютно пофиг..Радости полные штаны от побед на татами. Позор..