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Military again intend to buy BMP-3

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The attention of specialists and the public is focused on the Russian Arms Expo-2013 exhibition of arms and military equipment that has opened in Nizhny Tagil. However, interesting events also appear outside this event. news. Thus, the Deputy Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the government O. Bochkarev in an interview for RIA Novosti told about the plans for the existing types of armored vehicles.


According to Bochkarev, the industry and the military department concluded the negotiations, the subject of which was the delivery of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3. The result of the negotiations was the decision to resume production and supply of this equipment. In the near future, Kurganmashzavod will transfer to the armed forces a number of already built infantry fighting vehicles, and then, perhaps, will begin construction of a new technology for this model. Thus, the Military-Industrial Commission and the Ministry of Defense were still able to deal with the controversial situation that had emerged in 2010 year.

Recall that in April 2010, the Defense Ministry’s chief of armament, V. Popovkin, during a press conference at the exhibition “Army and Society,” stated that the Defense Ministry does not intend to buy equipment that does not have sufficient characteristics and does not allow parity with foreign models. For this reason, several types of vehicles, including the BMP-3, came under the reduction of purchases. The Ministry of Defense accepted such 50 machines planned for construction in the 2010 year, but later did not order new ones.

The production and operation of infantry combat vehicles BMP-3 started in the late eighties and up to and including the 2010 Soviet, and then the Russian army received about 700 units of such equipment. Since the beginning of construction, several modifications have been created, but not all of them went into series. As a result, in recent years, complaints about the inadequate performance and combat effectiveness of the existing BMP-3 vehicles have been heard more often. The result of this was the rejection of further purchases of such equipment.

Some time after Popovkin’s statements, information about the possible resumption of purchases of the BMP-3 began to appear in the media. However, all such messages ended up being false. The last refutation of such information at the moment refers to the spring of last year. Then the First Deputy Minister of Defense A. Sukhorukov said that the tests of the updated BMP-3 had ended in the winter. The car was spared from the identified deficiencies, as a result of which the Ministry of Defense could unfreeze the contracts. However, soon the presidential plenipotentiary in the Urals Federal District E. Kuyvashev denied this information. As it turned out, the plans of the military and industry at that time were not purchasing BMP-3. In addition, at that time there were regular disputes around the need for the BMD-4M airborne assault vehicle, in which the opponents of this type of equipment won.




BMP-3 at the international forum "Engineering Technologies - 2010"


Probably, the appearance of false information and rumors about the resumption of production and procurement of infantry fighting vehicles was facilitated by the fact that during the last years the defense industry has regularly attempted to reach an agreement with the Ministry of Defense. Three years later, after the statements about the refusal to purchase the BMP-3, negotiations of industrialists and the military led to the result: the supply of these infantry fighting vehicles will continue.

O. Bochkarev recalled that at present the domestic defense industry is working on a new Kurganets medium tracked platform. Upon completion of the development and testing of combat vehicles based on this platform will go into a series and begin to arrive in the army. In addition, a draft heavy-duty infantry fighting vehicle is being developed, the basis for which will be the Armata armored platform. From this we can conclude about the role of the BMP-3 in the further purchases of equipment for the domestic armed forces. Probably, the purpose of the procurement of this infantry fighting vehicle will be to ensure the combat readiness of the troops while waiting for the technology of the new models.

Approximately a year and a half ago it was claimed that the BMP-3 had undergone some kind of modernization, thanks to which it got rid of a number of shortcomings. Exact information about the refinement of the machine was not disclosed. Because of this, it remains only to guess what kind of infantry fighting vehicles will go to the troops in the near future. Active work on upgrading the BMP-3 and updating its various systems continued for many years and led to the appearance of several modifications of the machine.

For example, in the BMP-3M version, the combat vehicle receives a new engine of greater power, as well as the Arena active protection complex. Thanks to such innovations, the armored vehicle has better mobility compared to the base case, and is also able to fight anti-tank ammunition of various classes. At the beginning of the two thousand years, the exhibition demonstrated a variant of the BMP-3, equipped with dynamic protection. Such equipment also led to an increase in the level of protection, but had a negative impact on the mobility of the machine. In particular, the BMP-3 with dynamic protection blocks cannot float.

Another "challenger" for the contract of the Ministry of Defense is the BMP-3 version, equipped with the Bakhcha combat module. The complex of weapons and electronic equipment of this combat module can significantly increase the combat capabilities of the armored vehicle. In addition, the Bakhcha module can be installed not only on machines under construction, but also on those already in operation. Thus, during the repair, the BMP-3 drill can get an updated weapon system.

BMP-3 in the UAE army, 2003 year


BMP-3 Army of Kuwait, 2011 year


It is not yet known which of the available modifications of the BMP-3 will soon replenish the fleet of vehicles of the national armed forces. At the moment, all available information is limited to information about the fact of the completion of the negotiations of the military and industry. A few years later after the cessation of purchases of the BMP-3, the domestic Ministry of Defense is again ready to purchase a certain amount of such equipment in an updated version. Probably, the military department and the defense industry enterprises involved in the project will soon announce such details of the new contract as the number of vehicles required, their modification and total cost.


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  1. Civil
    Civil 26 September 2013 07: 32
    +8
    It depends on what configuration will be purchased. If there is nothing alternative to go, heavy tanks-based ones cannot swim .... that was the argument. If the soldiers still ride on the armor, they can upgrade so that they don’t have to carry the air inside and somehow protect those sitting on top
    1. Alexey
      Alexey 26 September 2013 07: 49
      +9
      How not to protect, and will ride on the armor. Psychological factor + habit.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 26 September 2013 12: 50
        12
        Quote: Alex
        Psychological factor + habit.

        I agree, the namesake.

        Yes, until there is tank armor, they will ride.
        And in the case of powerful protection, they may refuse to climb inside.
        Everything depends on the situation.
        Sometimes half a dozen pairs of eyes are better than the crew to notice the danger and respond more quickly.
        It’s quicker to respond with aimed fire, and it’s possible to fall head over heels in a couple of seconds, it’s not to shake out with one square eye from the same door with the whole crowd ...
        Anything can happen.
        1. bask
          bask 26 September 2013 16: 36
          17
          Quote: Aleks tv

          Yes, until there is tank armor, they will ride.

          The war in Syria shows that in conditions of urban battle and with a DENSE SNIPER FIRE, all the infantry of the Syrian army only moves in the BMP 1.2 corps.
          Riding on armor, you will not see more than one Syrian soldier.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 26 September 2013 17: 23
            +4
            Quote: bask
            in urban combat

            Quote: bask
            Riding on armor, you will not see more than one Syrian soldier.

            Greetings, Andrew!
            Well, you can’t talk at the same time ...
            laughing

            In the city, infantry is only a peschandral, only for its two.
            She, darling - The main force in the city, all of her iron only provides everything necessary for the assault: fire, cover, ammunition, havchik and more.
            Do you remember discussing the city's "Christmas tree"?

            On the march - almost always "on horseback".
            To center the machine, the Behni-2, for centering the machine, as a rule, stuffs all the rubbish you need: an unregistered (somewhere down) stove, tent, havchik, zinc, boxes and duffel bags.
            And on the Bech-3 on non-dangerous (!!!) sections of the march it is possible to "suppress the mass" inside.
            1. bask
              bask 26 September 2013 20: 13
              +7
              Good evening Lesh.
              And why then an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle, to deliver, infantry (from point A to point B), under cover of armor. And beha also support her with fire.
              Quote: Aleks tv

              Do you remember discussing the city's "Christmas tree"?

              I remember of course, then you said that beha 3 should be in the 3rd line and holding
              under general, the upper floors of buildings.
              Quote: Aleks tv
              On the march - almost always "top

              This is with us. And in Syria, you will not see more than one frame of the chronicle, where the soldiers are riding on a beh. Everything inside.
              I repeat. The tactics of using BMP 1.2. In Syria is changing, due to heavy sniper fire. On the march on the armor, you can incur big losses. Even if the Beha does not explode in a land mine, or is not hit from an RPG.
              We need a deep modernization of the BMP-3 in terms of its protection against IEDs and monoblock RPGs. You can sacrifice seaworthiness BMP.
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 26 September 2013 22: 21
                +4
                Quote: bask
                I repeat. The tactics of using the 1.2 BMP. In Syria is changing, due to the dense sniper fire.

                Maybe Andrew.
                Very possible.

                If in Syria they are hiding inside beh, then there snipers are more afraid than bombings on mines and shots from RPGs.
                You can’t fool an ordinary fighter, he does it in the current situation so that he can survive as much as possible.
                Interesting ...
                Thank you for noticing, Andrew, as I did not notice the Syrian chronicle.

                ps It was the Czechs who had the national weapon - the "seven", so out of habit ...
                Almost right, there are no identical wars. I apologize.
                1. bask
                  bask 26 September 2013 22: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleks tv

                  ps It was the Czechs who had the national weapon - the "seven", so out of habit ...
                  .

                  I know. I saw them ***** in Grozny in the 94th.
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Almost right, there are no identical wars.

                  Here I am, about this Lesh. In the future war there will be a dense sniper fire and ,, national Czech 7-ka ,,,.
                  There is only one way out. I repeat (HOW DO YOU Repeat this). In the first line only MBT and BMO-T / BTR-T.
                  The rest of the vehicles, armored and with protection from VCA.
                  For specialists, multi-purpose with a hybrid engine, armored car. With a trailer, carry junk.
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 26 September 2013 23: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: bask
                    With a trailer, carry junk.

                    laughing
                    We, not specialists, need it too !!!
                    yes
                    We will always have a lot of junk ... at all times.
                    Even a spaceship (in the future) will come in handy.
                    laughing
                    1. bask
                      bask 26 September 2013 23: 22
                      +3
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      Even a spaceship (in the future) will come in handy.

                      Eet, for sure.
                      And, that’s the idea. Armored light vehicles, like support vehicles, would be very useful.
                      Small-sized, high-walkable and carrying capacity of 4,5 tons + trailer. good
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 26 September 2013 23: 32
                        +2
                        Hello Lesh, I give Andrew as a present laughing
                      2. bask
                        bask 26 September 2013 23: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        in giving

                        In a 2-link ,, Vityaz, "you can also transport a freight car !!!
                      3. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 27 September 2013 05: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        in giving

                        Hi Sanya.

                        It is possible to cram so much into the DT series ...
                        Wah.Wah ...
                        Why are there practically none of them in the Army? Only schA began to think, and then, the little things.

                        This is a machine of chemists from the 200 team:
            2. woker
              woker 31 October 2013 21: 54
              -1
              So this battalion arrived to us on new, experimental BMP-3. In appearance and in design, the car is great, but in reality - rubbish. Crammed with electronics that your foreign car, reader. But it was made by our, that is, Russian manufacturers. So we sipped with them dashing at first, he cannot shoot on the move, electronics fail from shaking. The aiming system, the aiming system, is all on electronics, so it goes crazy, take an ulcer. And if it shoots, then, as it were, it doesn’t go, it’s also something to do with electronics. In one word - "raw", terrible car. In early January, twenty-four people in the third battalion died due to the failure of this fucking electronics. Terrible statistics. And all due to the fact that the equipment that was not brought to mind was delivered to the troops, and even to the combat zone. They burned her a lot, about five have already been lost. Now they took her to a safe place and use it either as machine-gun nests - after the first shot, the cannon sticks for half a day - or as a taxi, to move around more or less safe areas. Hands would be torn off those bastards who adopted this raw material into service.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 26 September 2013 15: 58
      0
      Because before the battle they dismount all the same.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 26 September 2013 20: 59
      +3
      Quote: Alex
      How not to protect, and will ride on the armor. Psychological factor + habit.

      Exactly. good
      Well, they will ride on an armored personnel carrier (BMP).
      But in the columns there are also cars, albeit slightly covered with armor. The same simplified armored personnel carriers in fact.
      How will they ride on them? In the cabs? On body roofs?
      Only a round amateur would think that all the l / s and materiel can be hidden in heavy MRAPs, by weight, by the way, surpassing the BMP by ten tons.
      And also hope that this MARP does not roll upside down from a bag of powdered sugar mixed with saltpeter.
      It is necessary to abandon the illusory attempts to achieve absolute security.
      Only a complex of well-known events adequately protects against ambushes, a place in which the individual protection of a vehicle is by no means the first, although important.
      Well, the ability to quickly, under military conditions, significantly increase the BMP's security for performing the corresponding tasks, albeit at the expense of some loss of mobility and the ability to swim, is necessary.
      For example, the same hanging of enhanced dynamic protection, armor plates on the body and bottom, grilles, etc.
    4. pawel57
      pawel57 26 September 2013 22: 29
      +1
      Riding armor is not a factor or habit. Our past wars rarely had a defined front line. We went to the area, and is there an enemy, the outline of the front line, his fire weapons are unknown. In addition, it’s easier to review on the armor, the ability to see the enemy in time, to find a mine, with a blast there are more chances to survive and navigate the situation easily. Where there is a battle with serious fire exposure, there are no people who want to sit on the armor.
    5. Anat1974
      Anat1974 27 September 2013 18: 41
      0
      With Arena, you can’t run into a lot of armor.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 26 September 2013 07: 49
    48
    There are several ways to fight the enemy. You can destroy the enemy's tank on the battlefield, you can blow up the rails with one charge, derailing a whole train of tanks, or you can find fools and traitors who, with a stroke of the pen, will put an end to a dangerous development for the enemy. Eight years ago, the T-95 was almost ready, a tank that had no analogues in the enemy, but someone convinced that it was difficult, expensive, and it would be better to start a new development of the "platform" ... How many copies were broken for the BMD-4M, Thanks to Shamanov, the paratroopers defended their car, as, possibly, the branch itself. The BMP-3F was so necessary for the Marines, no, how long they fooled their heads with quibbles and glances at the Yankee floating monsters. Now the Franks are teaching us how to make comfortable "business-class" armored vehicles, the joint development of a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle looks more like a bus than a combat vehicle, where we have only weapons. Who needs it and who benefits from it?
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 26 September 2013 09: 36
      +7
      The production of armored vehicles must be continuous, the state order must be stable, these are common truths. We like: "I don't like the type, does not meet the requirements." Great, let's modernize the equipment or start designing a new one, but ordering and producing what we have is necessary. This whole situation with us is sabotage. I completely agree with Per se, where is our design school, traditions, our own thought? Some kind of madness involved in cutting the dough and admiration for the West.
    2. evgenm55
      evgenm55 26 September 2013 10: 03
      +1
      To whom? Suggest? ..
    3. bask
      bask 26 September 2013 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: Per se.
      the joint development of a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle is more like a bus than a combat vehicle, where we have only weapons. Who needs it

      This is a miraculous engineering thought, which is (unparalleled, etc. ... etc ...) ,, Boomerang ,, or I'm wrong.
      And another project is underway, the development of a wheeled armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle.
      1. Kurkin
        Kurkin 26 September 2013 20: 24
        +2
        This crap is called "Atom". I hope it will never be adopted!
        http://youtu.be/q4OIiTKjQLU
    4. silver_roman
      silver_roman 26 September 2013 18: 07
      +5
      I agree. this is not a combat vehicle. even blind to her sound with RPG smells.
    5. Kurkin
      Kurkin 26 September 2013 20: 24
      +1
      This crap is called "Atom". I hope it will never be adopted!
      http://youtu.be/q4OIiTKjQLU
    6. kurtz755
      kurtz755 27 September 2013 00: 27
      +2
      The phrase "unparalleled" always leads to some doubts. A good and necessary analog will always be found. And not one. And quickly enough.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 27 September 2013 06: 52
        +2
        Quote: kurtz755
        The phrase "unparalleled" always raises some doubts. A good and necessary analog will always be found.
        Analysis and doubts, this is the normal state of a reasonable person, the fact that good and necessary analogs are quickly found, the Chinese clearly demonstrate, the whole question is who was the first. It is also reasonable and normal when the one who was the first in the idea should be the first and put this idea into practice, for the benefit of his country. The T-95 tank really had no analogues, it was a breakthrough supertank project, a lot of time was lost, and soon you, Denis, will be right - "A good and necessary analog will always be found."
  • 31231
    31231 26 September 2013 07: 57
    +1
    Dear, do not tell me what the flaws in the first three were ?!
    1. Alexey
      Alexey 26 September 2013 08: 59
      +2
      I suspect that under the shortcomings lies a discrepancy with the specified parameters. How adequate they are is a question. There are many who want to dress everything in heavy armor, apparently their ideal combat vehicle is the German "Mouse".
      1. yanus
        yanus 26 September 2013 09: 27
        +3
        Quote: Alex
        I suspect that under the shortcomings lies a discrepancy with the specified parameters. How adequate they are is a question. There are many who want to dress everything in heavy armor, apparently their ideal combat vehicle is the German "Mouse".

        Yes, but when the BMP board breaks out from a heavy machine gun, and even from the SVD, then this is also somehow abnormal.
        1. Alexey
          Alexey 26 September 2013 10: 09
          12
          The 43 mm side sheet made of ABT-102 armored aluminum alloy from SVD cannot be pierced, the heavy machine gun will also take only at close range and at right angles, and then if you shoot at 1 point for a long time. Protection is quite adequate.
          Quote: "So, for example, a sheet of ABT-102 alloy 43 mm thick (this is equivalent in weight to 15,6 mm of BT 70-Sh steel) provides protection against a 3OBT projectile when firing from a range of 300 m and an angle of meeting 68 °. To achieve this the same level of protection with steel armor will require a sheet of BT 70-Sh with a thickness of 21 mm. Thus, the gain in armor mass will be 25%. "
          YOU do not confuse the protection of BMP-1,2 and BMP-3.
        2. 31231
          31231 26 September 2013 10: 15
          +3
          Who told you that ?!
          A friend in Chechnya from Kalash fired at a deuce. 200 meters, steel cores, 7,62. I hit only the back tanks.
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 26 September 2013 16: 01
            0
            And what was he like? And then I’m wondering, what kind of friend is this, such that it fires on our infantry fighting vehicles.
            1. 31231
              31231 26 September 2013 17: 22
              0
              In general, they write off armor if they did not know.
              1. Avenger711
                Avenger711 26 September 2013 19: 06
                0
                Cartridges are also accountable.
        3. pawel57
          pawel57 26 September 2013 14: 28
          +3
          The heavy machine gun is designed to penetrate armor. Svd does not penetrate BMP so don’t .. go try it and show me.
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 26 September 2013 08: 00
    +5
    The UAE and Kuwait are wise people because they have acquired worthy models of military equipment for their army!
  • Prohor
    Prohor 26 September 2013 08: 09
    +2
    and also able to fight anti-tank ammunition of various classes
    How many words can you throw? Where is the video showing a vehicle with a crew and a landing party (designers) on the move holding an RPG-7 shot - the most primitive "class of anti-tank ammunition"? Why all these verbal show-off ?!
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 26 September 2013 09: 36
      +3
      read carefully. meant a modification with the arena. And the video where the arena copes with RPG-7 is available on the Internet. and since when tests on resistance to shots are conducted with people inside the machine. crazy demand.
    2. Max otto
      Max otto 26 September 2013 10: 50
      +3
      I am embarrassed to ask, but are there any cars that can withstand the RPG-7 shot without special bells and whistles?
      1. Alexey
        Alexey 26 September 2013 11: 25
        +2
        Actually, it depends a lot on where and how the hit happened. The BMP-3 also has a chance to withstand a hit, for example, when a tower hits the screen at a decent angle.
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 26 September 2013 16: 02
        0
        Well, many armored personnel carriers keep, if the hit did not critanul something important. Then there will be just a hole in the armor. Although a densely arranged tank does not always cover itself when it is penetrated.
        1. pawel57
          pawel57 26 September 2013 18: 38
          0
          Do not fall under the debris. You can take revenge without a head, but you can not hook anything.
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 26 September 2013 19: 07
            0
            But in war, in general, much depends on luck, but the armored personnel carrier before the battle is still empty, as a rule.
  • slacker
    slacker 26 September 2013 08: 41
    +2
    Good car with a good future.
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 26 September 2013 09: 16
    +3
    Yes BMP-3 is a great car! God grant that they will start buying it again
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 26 September 2013 14: 32
      +1
      Previously, it had a mechanism for changing clearance, but unsuccessfully, everything flowed. At the same time, it was impossible to shoot from 2 cannons, breaking mounts. What else was like a weak engine. For the first time I saw in 88gg. I didn’t serve on them. I cannot objectively judge.
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 26 September 2013 09: 31
    +5
    Really super car! .... I liked the phrase of the constructor from the video plot .... "BMP-3 is designed and has three power reserves from the Urals to the English Channel.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 26 September 2013 09: 45
      +7
      quote-The attention of specialists and the public is riveted to the Russian Arms Expo-2013 exhibition of armaments and military equipment that has opened in Nizhny Tagil.

      unique BMP capabilities

  • user
    user 26 September 2013 10: 26
    +1
    Interestingly, but improved the service guns?
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 26 September 2013 10: 27
    +4
    BMP-3 unique firepower. Excellent "cart".
    Add a generator, reconnaissance and aiming devices for various purposes and live the car happily ever after.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 September 2013 10: 52
    15
    Until the Kurganets-25 has been adopted, the BMP-3 MUST BE RELEASED AND REINFORCED BY THEM.

    When Kurganets will go through all the stages of state. and army trials ... ???
    And the linear parts continue to operate the old BPM-2 ... (one mat)
    And if tomorrow again some stsukoshvilly hungry for ties? Let's go to the "coffins" again?
    "Three rubles" is certainly not a fountain, but she:
    - More secure than fellow
    - Better armed and, most importantly:
    - The ergonomics of the machine allows the landing party to make marches INSIDE the MACHINE during transitions in relatively safe places, being located in the center of mass of the machine facing forward. Who dangled "in" and "on" beh-2, he will understand.
    By the way, the "treshka" is very good when the landing march is "on horseback" in a dangerous environment - hinged roof hatches provide additional lateral protection.

    When moving to Kurganets, too, do not think that they will be equipped with all parts instantly. Nothing of the kind, the days of the USSR have passed, so the BMP-3 will just be the "transition machine" when equipping the linear parts with a new platform.
    So let this "transition machine" be a relatively new BMP-3, and not the old "deuces."

    And so - I am a supporter of heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers and would be more pleased with the upgrades of BMO-T for infantry ..
    wink
    1. 31231
      31231 26 September 2013 12: 42
      +1
      I don’t know, in the usual infantry reconnaissance battalion we only had to dream of such. Nevertheless, on the deuces of the summer.
    2. bask
      bask 26 September 2013 16: 21
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      When Kurganets will go through all the stages of state. and army trials

      A ,, Kurganets ,, ALSO DO FRANKS ???
      OR ALL THESE THE SOVIET SCHOOL, in the production of tracked armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles, has been preserved.
    3. bask
      bask 26 September 2013 20: 28
      +2
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Ergonomics of the machine allows the landing party to make marches INSIDE the MACHINE during transitions in relatively safe places, being located in the center of mass of the machine face forward.

      Then why do we need an expensive BMP?
      It is more rational to use MDI in transitions. And the carrying capacity is greater and protected from IEDs. A ballistic defense, the same as on the bekhe. ,, Typhoons, KamAZ, and the Urals.

      Quote: Aleks tv
      so then - I am a supporter of heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers and would be more pleased with the upgrades of BMO-T for infantry ..

      I am the same. And what have we come to. To the experience of Tsakhal. In the first line only MBT and BTR-T / BMP-T.
      The rest of the wheeled and tracked armored vehicles perform the functions of transporting ammunition and food-EVERYTHING!
  • msv
    msv 26 September 2013 11: 04
    +4
    I read in one article and the photos were like BMP3 with dynamic protection floats. It was claimed there that, despite the increased mass, it retained its buoyancy. The author is wrong in my opinion.
    If, however, BMP 3 with dynamic protection does not swim, then in my opinion, sacrificing in principle buoyancy in favor of protection against RPGs is not entirely correct. Then it is better to have kits in the troops and hang them under certain conditions of hostilities.
    In any case, there is no alternative to the BMP-3 today. New platforms are new. And the timing of their adoption and staffing of troops is abstract. And the BMP1 troops are still full.
    I also support the fact that the BMP3F is the best vehicle for the Marine Corps. The Marines should also ideally receive a BMP3F-special vehicle complex based on the BMP3-Sprut-Vienna (as well as the Airborne Forces: BMD4m-BTRMDM-Sprut-Vienna landing option). It is logical to equip at least the marine corps of the northern and Pacific fleets with a complex of precisely tracked vehicles
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 26 September 2013 16: 46
      0
      DZ and so hung / removed.
  • loki565
    loki565 26 September 2013 11: 24
    +2
    Quote: Alex
    How not to protect, and will ride on the armor. Psychological factor + habit.
    Slightly higher than the photo of the new Atom BMP, try to climb on this Kalancha in two human height
    1. Alexey
      Alexey 26 September 2013 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: loki565
      Slightly higher than the photo of the new Atom BMP, try to climb on this Kalancha in two human height

      Hm. That is yes. That's just such a way to drive off the landing from the roof is unlikely to approve the landing. It is more logical to load the landing work inside the machine. for example, having made it possible to view in detail the surroundings (naturally with the help of cameras and other means) and the reaction to this situation, which would require 2 ... 3 units of stabilized small arms and grenade launchers - precisely under the control of the landing.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 26 September 2013 16: 47
        +1
        Loopholes in the BMP have always been. Separate weapons for shooting from a car are nonsense, shooters have their own.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 26 September 2013 12: 14
    0
    The position of the military is not very clear, then we take it, then no. Apparently with promising platforms, not everything is so rosy. If you book a better BMP-3, it will perfectly solve the tasks of escorting tanks in the city, weapons are the most suitable.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 September 2013 12: 53
      +5
      Quote: chunga-changa
      The position of the military is not very clear, then we take it, then no.

      Abandoned the behi-xnumx super-duper fighters: a stool and its henchman macarque.
      Now there are none.

      There is no other equipment of this class ready for mass production.

      So it’s quite logical to return to procurement.
      1. bask
        bask 26 September 2013 16: 22
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        There is no other equipment of this class ready for mass production.

        Lesh and until the 20th year there will be no minimum in the troops.
        And this is in the most optimal scenario !!!
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 September 2013 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      If you book a better BMP-3, it will perfectly solve the tasks of escorting tanks in the city, weapons are the most suitable.

      Yes, but not quite right:
      In urban conditions, the Bekha-3 will perform well in the second or third line of the Fire Group when forming a "herringbone" pattern (covering the upper floors in front of and above the OG), but not in the first rows.
      1. bask
        bask 26 September 2013 16: 30
        +2
        Quote: Aleks tv
        In the urban environment, the Beha-3 will perform well in the second or third line of the Fire Group

        The armor would still be made, combined, but STEEL, much cheaper and more maintainable.
        It is one thing to cook steel, another is aluminum alloys. (In the field, install lattice anti-cumulative screens).

        For BMP 3F, you can leave it as it is.
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 26 September 2013 12: 37
    +2
    Better than nothing ... Indeed, it is not clear when the Kurganets phenomenon will occur, but more or less modern technology is desperately needed! And for this BMP-3 is quite a decent option. But it seems to me that delaying the new BMP is like a crime (as well as with the Armata tank), no matter how good the old cars were, but modern realities demand more from the technology and the time has come for a worthy replacement for new models. After all, in addition, the BMP-3 has rather serious drawbacks, firstly, the lack of protection of the vehicle from RPGs and the danger of ammunition detonation (especially with the emerging conveyor with 100mm shots) in the event of its defeat, secondly, not so simple and convenient descent of the landing force, thirdly, controversial weapons so a 100mm machine gun is also attached to the main 30mm gun, which primarily affects the security of the combat vehicle (having a tank's firepower in terms of "armor strength" is much inferior to it and without which support you still cannot do).
    Fighters should not sit astride a barrel of gunpowder under a hail of bullets and RPG grenades. The machine must reliably protect against manual means of destruction, this is its main purpose, and not only support by infantry fire (it still needs to be delivered intact), otherwise there is no sense in it! And a compromise must be found here!
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 September 2013 12: 57
      +1
      Quote: Dimon-chik-79
      Fighters should not sit astride a barrel of gunpowder under a hail of bullets and RPG grenades. The machine must reliably protect against manual means of destruction, this is its main purpose, and not only support by infantry fire (it still needs to be delivered intact), otherwise there is no sense in it! And a compromise must be found here!

      The answer is simple: Heavy Tank Infantry Fighting Vehicle.
      It is possible to quickly remake BMO-T (for the transition period):
      Throw out the 2 rack from the 3's and stick the 8 siduha.
      Instead of installing a machine gun, stick a cheap and simple Cleaver module.
      The principle of landing and disembarkation as in the BMP-3.
      Not a fountain, of course, but better than anything else.
      The guys BMO-T is popular, and that means a lot.

      And even then, fighters from time to time will prefer to ride "from above".
      In some situations, this is justified.
      The infantry itself knows best where to be.

      In the meantime, she does not even have a choice ...
      By the way, I already wrote that the BPM-3 is better suited for "horseback riding".
      1. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 26 September 2013 13: 43
        +3
        Quote: Aleks tv
        The answer is simple: Heavy Tank Infantry Fighting Vehicle.

        The gentlemen from Israel understood this a long time ago, although their theater of operations is not so diverse.
        And besides, in a country where "a quarter of our former people" were thrifty for trophies - BMP "Akhzarit" is a confirmation of this.
        1. 31231
          31231 26 September 2013 15: 06
          +1
          What did they understand ?! Did they go in columns in Chechnya or Afghanistan in gorges ?!
          Mine protection they have ?! Irreversible loss of carrots in 2006 from what ?!
          My opinion is that it will not be difficult for the spirit to lay 20 kg in a land mine instead of 120 kg.

          But in the city it is definitely necessary to use heavy infantry fighting vehicles or armored personnel carriers. For there getting hit from an RPG is regular.

          On ordinary terrain and in the gorges, light and fast behi with a bunch of eyes on them are better.
      2. Perch_xnumx
        Perch_xnumx 26 September 2013 14: 40
        +4
        The answer is simple: Heavy Tank Infantry Fighting Vehicle.

        The answer is not easy. Not a tank, nor an armored personnel carrier. It is necessary to work on the BMP, to improve the protection of the bottom from detonations, as a standard equipment - a complex of active protection, screens, DZ cactus, to finalize the engine. In Syria, fighters move inside the BMP and not on the BMP no matter what.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 26 September 2013 14: 52
          0
          Quote: Perch_1
          The answer is not easy. Not a tank, nor an armored personnel carrier.

          And here you don’t have to think, but just ask the SV infantry about what it needs.
          -Heavy BMP on a tank base.
          - Medium floating BMP with removable add-on protection kit.

          Another useful technique with mine protection:
          -Average wheeled armored personnel carrier.
          -Light armored car.

          Each equipment has its own purpose.
          And not like we like to do, sending equipment to perform a specific combat mission that is not intended for this.
  • major071
    major071 26 September 2013 13: 49
    +7
    In the 1992 year (I studied at the 3 course of the CTTC), while on an internship in the army, I saw how three BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles fired on the tank derektriss of the Chebarkul garrison. Before that, I only saw them in the pictures. Just at that moment, a lot of motorized rifle officers were transferred from Germany to our temporary billets. So they spoke very well about the BMP-3, which was new for us tankers. For example, before that, only BMP -1 and BMP-2 BMPs had been seen, well, and once I drove for information.
  • msv
    msv 26 September 2013 14: 30
    +9
    Quote: Eugeniy_369
    Quote: Aleks tv
    The answer is simple: Heavy Tank Infantry Fighting Vehicle.

    The gentlemen from Israel understood this a long time ago, although their theater of operations is not so diverse.
    And besides, in a country where "a quarter of our former people" were thrifty for trophies - BMP "Akhzarit" is a confirmation of this.

    Just in case, in Israel there is also light infantry moving in jeeps. In general, in Israel there is a mass of technology and the remnants of conflicts supplied by the USA, etc. Namer, Ahzarit is a heavy infantry vehicle.
    Also, see possible TVDs. Are there many rivers and swamps? Compare with central Russia, Siberia, the Far East. Imagine, for example, a brigade somewhere in the Khabarovsk area which you need to make a 100km march. How many she will have to cross the water obstacles and impassable terrain? And about 300 heavy boxes will stretch along all routes, of which there will not be many. And after how much the unit will arrive in the destination area.
    The second argument boils down to the fact that Namer, Ahzarit is more suitable for sweeps, against the guerrilla warfare, when there is complete dominance in the air, in heavy weapons. Whether I have a choice platoon BMP3 or platoon Namer. Unambiguously BMP3-because three 1000mm guns, 3-30mm auto-guns and machine guns are much more opportunities than very protected but with a machine gun or grenade launcher Namer.
    And in the city they don’t fight inside cars. In the city on foot: assault groups, docking groups, fire support groups, etc.
    The only plus of heavy vehicles is greater resistance to artillery impact (or unguided aircraft weapons). There we say, where a light or medium car will be destroyed guaranteed, then heavy with a coefficient of 0,8. Therefore, it is logical to have them in motorized rifle battalions of tank brigades.
    The rest is all Hollywood.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 September 2013 14: 42
      +2
      Quote: msv
      The rest is all Hollywood.

      Good koment. Sorry, I don't know your name.
      wink

      I spoke about this approximately, defending the Bexu-3 and dreaming of a heavy infantry fighting vehicle ...
      I’m paraphrasing: for every technique - ITS OWN place depending on the theater of operations and tactical tasks.
  • pawel57
    pawel57 26 September 2013 15: 00
    +2
    The ideology of floating armored vehicles is inspired by our great losses during the Second World War. The Germans on the Dnieper, and later Manshtein, were able to organize defense with support not of the system of rivers and lakes in our middle lane, but later on the entire river system of Eastern Europe. There are memories that the Germans literally mowed (the same actor Yumatov) our brigades near Warsaw on the Vistula and Budapest on the Danube. Most likely, bloody showdowns in the Caucasus are waiting for us and something is being formed in the Volga region. The airborne assault facilities have stepped far forward. Can abandon bulk buoyancy? Take a German trail and put more emphasis on armor protection. All our armored vehicles have a reserve. The reconnaissance of baht, companies using standard floating equipment in conjunction with tactical airborne assault force cross the water barrier, take a bridgehead and provide the crossing of the main forces. This is an option. The Germans have additional training for Marders for forcing in the training area from 15-30 minutes. also as an option. Or additional protection is removed, and after forcing, who survives, is restored.
  • Donvel
    Donvel 26 September 2013 15: 46
    +2
    I wonder how long can we wait for the "Armata" if the previous BMPs have been "waiting for replacement" for 40 years?
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 26 September 2013 16: 45
    +1
    Prior to official adoption, the replacement and start of production of BMP-3 should be purchased. There is a suspicion that the new platform will not be better, no one promises a 100 mm trunk on it, and this is a step back.
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 26 September 2013 16: 52
    +3
    The good news .. We will see Kurgan in the army in sufficient numbers optimistic by the years 18-20 .. if the Gosy is completed by the 15th ..
    So within 5-7 years it is necessary to "support the pants" with something. VVO and MP .. in my opinion, the priority in the supply of 3-ki. in the other 3 Districts it is possible and 2-ku not bad to upgrade "upgrade" .. for example ..
  • moreman78
    moreman78 26 September 2013 18: 07
    0
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Until the Kurganets-25 has been adopted, the BMP-3 MUST BE RELEASED AND REINFORCED BY THEM.
    When moving to Kurganets, too, do not think that they will be equipped with all parts instantly. Nothing of the kind, the days of the USSR have passed, so the BMP-3 will just be the "transition machine" when equipping the linear parts with a new platform.
    wink


    I’ll disappoint the naive ones - even in Soviet times, rearmament with new equipment was delayed for many YEARS! So if you don’t know something, it’s better not to talk.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 September 2013 22: 06
      +1
      Quote: moreman78
      I’ll disappoint the naive ones - even in Soviet times, rearmament with new equipment was delayed for many YEARS! So if you don’t know something, it’s better not to talk.

      Excuse me generously, can you tell me how the BMP-1 and BMP-3 equipment program was implemented in the USSR, when the entire industry of the country was put under the execution of this task with cancer?
      Or do you know better about the pace of rearmament in the Soviet Union to the T-64, T-72, T-80 family?

      I agree. In the USSR they rearmed themselves "very slowly". Straight at all. Heh.

      Not even now, in democratic Russia. Now we are getting a new weapon WOW how fast !!! Direct electric broom in railroad burns from the speed of changing armored vehicles ...

      Actually, I meant the comparison THEN and NOW ...
      I saw with my own eyes the pace of rearmament THEN and NOW ...
      "Instantly" was spoken simply as an expression.

      If you did not understand the meaning of my comment, then why comment?
      So if you don’t know what, it’s better not to say, OK ?
      Your manner of dating is strange.

      hi
      1. pawel57
        pawel57 26 September 2013 22: 43
        +1
        You see, there is reasonable sufficiency. Take that time. In the Transcaucasian, North Caucasian, Far Eastern, Ural Central Asian, Turkestan districts, it’s enough to have not the latest models of equipment and weapons against a likely enemy. Against the modern and strong enemy in the Group of Forces and European districts there was new and modern equipment and rearmament went pretty quickly.
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 26 September 2013 18: 11
    0
    if there are rumors, then there is room for thought. There is no smoke without fire.
    Perhaps there are certain difficulties with the construction of the Kurgan. hope this is not so!
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 26 September 2013 18: 43
    +1
    Quote: silver_roman
    if there are rumors, then there is room for thought. There is no smoke without fire.
    Perhaps there are certain difficulties with the construction of the Kurgan. hope this is not so!

    not with the creation) but rather with the saturation of the troops in sufficient numbers. With the current level of labor intensity and science intensity of technology, + setting up the production of a completely new product, + do not forget about force majeure (pricing, periodic "quirks" of "generals" from the military-industrial complex and the Ministry of Defense in relation to each other). So the saturation of 3000-4000 Kurgan residents of the RF Defense Ministry will take place not in 4-5 years, but in 15-20 years.

    And these 15-20 years old infantry need something to distribute.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 26 September 2013 19: 13
    +2
    Damn, such optimistic comments at the beginning ... But it all came down to cruel pessimism at the end. BMP-1 on 08.08.08 on TV somehow got. I wonder whose? Militia or army? If the army, then in addition to the BMP-3, it’s not that there is no alternative, but it’s also criminally not to buy.
  • SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 26 September 2013 20: 45
    +1
    Whatever you say, but now in the world there is no better operational BMP-3 in terms of the effectiveness of the combat system.
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 26 September 2013 22: 36
      +2
      This is nge quite so. Take a closer look at the Germans. Very decent. The last cougar is very good. BMP is not a boat and is fighting on the ground and not in the water.
  • msv
    msv 26 September 2013 22: 07
    +1
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: msv
    The rest is all Hollywood.

    Good koment. Sorry, I don't know your name.
    wink

    I spoke about this approximately, defending the Bexu-3 and dreaming of a heavy infantry fighting vehicle ...
    I’m paraphrasing: for every technique - ITS OWN place depending on the theater of operations and tactical tasks.


    Thank. My name is Sergey.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 September 2013 22: 14
      0
      Quote: msv
      My name is Sergey.

      Alex.
      hi

      Hooked about your description of the "city" ...
      Liked it, I am a little "sick" with this topic.
      Not so long ago we discussed the city "Christmas tree", sorry, you were not there.
  • msv
    msv 26 September 2013 23: 17
    +4
    Quote: pawel57
    The ideology of floating armored vehicles is inspired by our great losses during the Second World War. The Germans on the Dnieper, and later Manshtein, were able to organize defense with support not of the system of rivers and lakes in our middle lane, but later on the entire river system of Eastern Europe. There are memories that the Germans literally mowed (the same actor Yumatov) our brigades near Warsaw on the Vistula and Budapest on the Danube. Most likely, bloody showdowns in the Caucasus are waiting for us and something is being formed in the Volga region. The airborne assault facilities have stepped far forward. Can abandon bulk buoyancy? Take a German trail and put more emphasis on armor protection. All our armored vehicles have a reserve. The reconnaissance of baht, companies using standard floating equipment in conjunction with tactical airborne assault force cross the water barrier, take a bridgehead and provide the crossing of the main forces. This is an option. The Germans have additional training for Marders for forcing in the training area from 15-30 minutes. also as an option. Or additional protection is removed, and after forcing, who survives, is restored.

    Dear pawel57. Every strategist should use natural obstacles in the form of rivers; Germans are not the only ones. And the experience of the Second World War, as it were, is not directly applicable in assessing which BMP is needed.
    Today, a full-fledged combined arms can be imagined only with China’s Southeast neighbor. On the subject of modern combat, a lot of different things have been written. But you should understand the significant changes after the Second World War - weapons appeared with significantly long-range capabilities for fire destruction. If in the Second World War the depth of artillery destruction hardly reached 20 km (I don’t take into account the extra heavy siege weapons, which had to be collected for two weeks), today I don’t even know the limitations. Well, let's say the 300 km radius of destruction by medium-range missile systems. About aviation in general, you can not talk about comparing the capabilities of the modern with the period of the Second World War. Cluster munitions disable tank battalions. Therefore, the one who preempts in combat deployment, operational mobility and the ability to strike will benefit. Therefore, the BMP buoyancy is considered as an element of operational mobility on a certain theater of operations (for example, the Arabs just do not need floating machines — they will not increase the operational mobility of their units). Recall the uncomfortable situation Amerov put in the airborne battalion, which made an attack on the BTR80 in the nineties in Yugoslavia (in my opinion, in Pristina). The same option but for Europe with a network of roads. Therefore, there are wheeled tanks, which is nonsense for our territory. In a word, there is no universal BMP.
    And in the Caucasus, we no longer need BMPs, but all-weather helicopters and well-trained mountain units.
    1. kurtz755
      kurtz755 27 September 2013 00: 41
      +2
      "Remember in what an uncomfortable position Amerov put the airborne battalion, which made a rush to the airport in the nineties in Yugoslavia (in my opinion, in Pristina) on the BTR80." At that moment there was a feeling that the leadership of the Russian Federation had put this throw in an uncomfortable position, and by the way, what water obstacles did the airborne battalion have to overcome during the legendary throw?
    2. pawel57
      pawel57 27 September 2013 13: 58
      0
      Dear, tactics, operational art, strategy are not the same thing. Respecting your opinion, I do not agree with him. Combat (tactics) by combined arms and tank units remained full-fledged, conditions (mountains, tundra, winter, desert, medium-rough terrain, steppe, etc.), the enemy and our capabilities change. Always and everywhere a person will fight in his environment and near it and for it. Of great importance is the buoyancy of the BMP3 in strategic and operational deployment. Here theater equipment plays a role (railway and road network, their condition and capabilities). No one rafted the Amur regiments and divisions, there were large exercises on forcing. The mountains of the foothills and cities, villages are taken in collaboration with the mountain rifle and special forces. BMP3 there buoyancy is unnecessary. You can talk a lot, read the charters and tactics, if possible, fight in special conditions. I think on BMP3: to increase security at the expense of buoyancy (mounted dim. Protection, steel tabs); mobility increase (engine running); revise weapons (1-a 57mm gun, pkt, ATGM can AGS).
  • msv
    msv 26 September 2013 23: 27
    +1
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: msv
    My name is Sergey.

    Alex.
    hi

    Hooked about your description of the "city" ...
    Liked it, I am a little "sick" with this topic.
    Not so long ago we discussed the city "Christmas tree", sorry, you were not there.


    Alexei, I can’t call myself a serious connoisseur of tactics and strategy, although a former military man. But similar topics are also interesting to me. I am interested in the availability of free time.
  • Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 27 September 2013 00: 38
    +2
    Commander of the Airborne Forces Vladimir Shamanov will not take a bad car for himself, we are all striving for unification, and the BMP-3 and BMD-4 are the same machines in design, if it will be easier for the "repairmen", the Ukrainian comrades, in my opinion, did not make a bad one An infantry fighting vehicle from a tank, maybe we should go the same way, how many obsolete tanks we have, at least work abroad ...

    1. Kurkin
      Kurkin 27 September 2013 10: 27
      -1
      Something did not impress this craft. Too slow, not dynamic, apparently due to being overweight. And the armament complex is rather weak.
      1. the47th
        the47th 27 September 2013 12: 03
        -1
        She also has an engine in front, which means there are more chances to stay motionless in the heat of battle. A motionless car under fire - count already dying remains.
    2. gallville
      gallville 27 September 2013 15: 09
      0
      1. This is a machine based on the T-64
      2. This is an early example on the Internet there are video recordings with a finished machine.
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 27 September 2013 03: 07
    0
    Universal is not good. Everyone needs their own car and not everyone can do it. French "Atom" is probably good for riot police.
    1. Kurkin
      Kurkin 27 September 2013 10: 26
      0
      For the 57mm OMON, the gun is clearly redundant, there is enough module with KPVT and AGSom.
  • the47th
    the47th 27 September 2013 12: 06
    0
    As far as I know, the BMP-3 has the highest firepower among similar vehicles. It is difficult to come up with more powerful weapons for light infantry fighting vehicles.
  • gallville
    gallville 27 September 2013 15: 40
    0
    Good news. But as always tormented by doubts.
    1. How many of these newest BMP-3s will be?
    2. In what configuration with or without DZ, Bahcha or Bahcha-U?
    3. Will the old BMP-3s be brought to the level of new ones or will the new ones be like the old ones? (in the presence of about 400 pieces. You can say with a stretch of 3 brigade sets).
    4. Will there be a BMP in the modification of the BMP-3f?

    Of these questions, the question is still recalled price-quality-quantity. And the wild desire to compare in this respect BMP-2 "Berezhok" and BMP-3 in price quality quantity.
  • flanker7
    flanker7 27 September 2013 21: 36
    0
    BMP-3 will be released again!
    CORRECT SOLUTION
  • msv
    msv 1 October 2013 01: 03
    0
    Quote: kurtz755
    "Remember in what an uncomfortable position Amerov put the airborne battalion, which made a rush to the airport in the nineties in Yugoslavia (in my opinion, in Pristina) on the BTR80." At that moment there was a feeling that the leadership of the Russian Federation had put this throw in an uncomfortable position, and by the way, what water obstacles did the airborne battalion have to overcome during the legendary throw?

    No water. But their use on a good road network characteristic of Europe is the most complete use of the potential for operational mobility. Led for clarity.
  • msv
    msv 1 October 2013 01: 39
    0
    Quote: pawel57
    Dear, tactics, operational art, strategy are not the same thing. Respecting your opinion, I do not agree with him. Combat (tactics) by combined arms and tank units remained full-fledged, conditions (mountains, tundra, winter, desert, medium-rough terrain, steppe, etc.), the enemy and our capabilities change. Always and everywhere a person will fight in his environment and near it and for it. Of great importance is the buoyancy of the BMP3 in strategic and operational deployment. Here theater equipment plays a role (railway and road network, their condition and capabilities). No one rafted the Amur regiments and divisions, there were large exercises on forcing. The mountains of the foothills and cities, villages are taken in collaboration with the mountain rifle and special forces. BMP3 there buoyancy is unnecessary. You can talk a lot, read the charters and tactics, if possible, fight in special conditions. I think on BMP3: to increase security at the expense of buoyancy (mounted dim. Protection, steel tabs); mobility increase (engine running); revise weapons (1-a 57mm gun, pkt, ATGM can AGS).

    Your suggestions for BMP are some kind of compromise. You do not get the most protected car (such as on the basis of a tank) and sacrifice advantages in the form of buoyancy for the sake of protection against RPGs. Of course, only buoyancy can and will not give a significant gain in deployment, just as the infrastructure, which can be destroyed or overloaded, will not give it. But in the complex, a light machine is more mobile (by air, by water, etc.)
    I’m familiar with the charter. In the charter, the infantry comes in a hurry behind the tanks, and behind the infantry BMP, which support them with fire. The main mistake of modern strategists is an attempt to build infantry fighting actions around infantry fighting vehicles (under the protection of infantry fighting vehicles). This is not true. Cities and villages are not taken by any special forces, but by ordinary infantry (this is the special forces in Hollywood)
    In Hollywood, special forces are jack of all trades, but in fact special forces are specialized units of a narrow focus. Fight with them like infantry scattered in gold.
    I understand that strategy, operational art and tactics are not the same thing. But they are interconnected and changes in one entail changes in others. The capabilities of weapons affect all three components. A lot of examples.
    I also disagree with your arguments.
  • MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 28 February 2017 00: 19
    0
    [quote = Aleks tv] [quote = Aleksey]
    Sometimes half a dozen pairs of eyes are better than the crew to notice the danger and respond more quickly.
    Anything can happen. [/ Quote]

    If there are cameras, then each fighter will have virtual eyes and let them shake their heads and look out. And if you immediately have a 360 'camera review. It’s really cool! Only mark goals! Automation itself was able to shoot at the atomic target

    And in general, why are they not Kurgan? Or what else is there?