Military Review

The investigation in the case of "Oboronservis" failed to obtain evidence on Serdyukov

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Experts of the Investigative Committee could not obtain evidence from the defendants in the Oboronservis case against Anatoly Serdyukov. The main episodes of the charges against Evgenia Vasilyeva and Alexander Elkin may also not reach the court.


“We hoped to get direct evidence of Serdyukov’s participation in dubious transactions, but did not take into account a whole range of economic nuances. As a result, the ex-minister’s testimony could not be obtained, and there was almost no crime in the incriminated episodes,” the source said. News "in the Main Military Investigation Department (GVSU).

According to investigators, the “Oboronservis case” can repeat the fate of the “gambling case”. Episodes related to the activities of the general director of the Slavyanka company, Alexander Yelkin, may not go to court. The same applies to episodes related to Eugenia Vasilyeva.

“It is not clear now how to continue to draw up the main episode imputed to Yelkin, with the maintenance of the complex of buildings of the Ministry of Defense in Kolymazhny Lane. After checking the acts of acceptance of works and tender documentation, it turned out that not only the military was not harmed, but they still owed 20 million rubles, ”a source close to the investigation told the newspaper.

Unexcited case

The Oboronservis case has been dragging on for more than six months. 27 December 2012, the former head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Anatoly Serdyukov, was summoned to the Investigative Committee for questioning in the Oboronservis case.

11 in March, the ex-minister answered questions from the TFR staff about construction work on the territory of a plot of land in the Volga delta. According to investigators, the work on the site was conducted by military personnel of one of the military units.

24 July SK questioned Serdyukov on the sale of the ensemble of the Tauride Palace in St. Petersburg.

19 of August, the Main Military Investigation Department (GVSU) of the Investigative Committee of Russia refused to initiate a criminal case, which could be former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov and former director of the Department of Education of the Defense Ministry Ekaterina Priezezhev.
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  1. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 25 September 2013 11: 09 New
    92
    All clear...
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 September 2013 11: 14 New
      27
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      All clear...

      It is clear already LONG TIME, Someone doubted ??
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 September 2013 12: 12 New
        12
        in general ... no one is obliged to abide by the law in this country, if you want to live beautifully, live! are you worse? join EP, vote correctly, and do what you want ... sad
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 25 September 2013 13: 17 New
          +8
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          in general ... no one is obliged to abide by the law in this country, if you want to live beautifully, live!

          The effectiveness of our judiciary tends to zero! Personally, I was convinced of this, sued the Tour Company, so they appealed three times to the court decisions in our favor, as a result of 2 years we are already suing and nothing good .. But then the matter didn’t even reach the indictment, the campaign itself must be checked by the IC the appearance of undeclared income among its employees ..
          1. Alexxeg73
            Alexxeg73 25 September 2013 14: 37 New
            14
            Well, and it is written: "... they did not take into account a number of economic nuances, As a result, it was not possible to get evidence against the ex-minister ..."

            "Nuances" have already been transferred to offshores?
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 25 September 2013 14: 42 New
            14
            Quote: DEfindER
            The effectiveness of our judiciary tends to zero!


            Steal from Chubais or from Gazprom, then we'll see. Soldered by the most do not spoil, you can have no doubt.
          3. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 25 September 2013 16: 00 New
            14
            Quote: DEfindER
            the campaign must be checked by the IC itself for the appearance of undeclared income among its employees ..
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2013 06: 00 New
              +1
              if not fake, then I’m in full swing ...
          4. predator.3
            predator.3 25 September 2013 17: 45 New
            +7
            Quote: DEfindER
            The effectiveness of our judiciary tends to zero! Personally, I was convinced of this, sued the Tour Company, so they appealed three times to the court decisions in our favor, as a result of 2 years we are already suing and nothing good .. But then the matter didn’t even reach the indictment, the campaign itself must be checked by the IC the appearance of undeclared income among its employees ..


            The case of Serdyukov and PPZh Vasilievs will ruin the case, as they ruined the case of "gambling" prosecutors - as soon as the name of the son of the Prosecutor General Chaika surfaced.
          5. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2013 05: 59 New
            +3
            no, not SK dear definder, here globally you need to change everything ....
        2. kris
          kris 25 September 2013 14: 27 New
          28
          for some reason it’s not even surprising.
          gentlemen, lovers of Putin, explain everything that happens!
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 25 September 2013 14: 35 New
            19
            Quote: kris
            explain everything that happens!

            What can I explain here, we can only congratulate Anatoly Eduardovich on his victory, in the case of Serdyukov against the people of Russia ..
          2. Orik
            Orik 25 September 2013 16: 14 New
            +8
            They will explain what remains? Just EXPLAIN. sad Let them hurry, and soon it will be necessary to explain what happened to the RAS and Russian science.
          3. aksakal
            aksakal 25 September 2013 17: 44 New
            -5
            Quote: kris
            for some reason it’s not even surprising.
            gentlemen, lovers of Putin, explain everything that happens!

            - and what to explain?
            Are you dissatisfied with something? try to decide against Putin according to the Syrian version - by the way, in this case you will be bombarded with billions, you will also become a billionaire. The sponsors who want to remove Putin no less than you want, you know, the location is also very well aware. You know the address of the American embassy, ​​I can even throw up the address of Udaltsov, he will only be glad to such assistants. Displeased terribly - what are you asking us? What good is our opinion from you? Go and act, along with those who plus you here, take with you.
            By the way, with all that, the name of the President of the Russian Federation is capitalized, but Obama can be with a small one. Why on earth are you writing the other way around? And have you been given advantages for this? So, gentlemen of Formuchan, for these pluses to this gentleman, already repeatedly noted by Russophobic and anti-Russian statements, I ask you to speak. Honestly go out and justify your plus to this gentleman, we will talk about an unpleasant conversation.
            So, your hatred of Serdyukov is so great that you are ready to become an anti-Russian, ready to become a Russophobe and a notorious revolutionary liberal just because Serdyukov was too tough for the Russian law enforcement system?
            Let's do it without hasty conclusions. Firstly, ordinary witnesses were very clearly informed - you will show against Serdyukov - you do not live. If I were a witness - with all my pro-Russian character, I would humbly give those testimonies that some gloomy gentlemen of special forces would demand from me. I will not beat myself in the chest and swagger, because I have a family and children, and the protection of witnesses in Russia is as follows - well, look at Budanov. Let’s take it seriously - most of you would do the same. This commander has already served his legal term, nevertheless ... Then it would not be better if they didn’t sit down at all, there should be one punishment!
            This is a sign of state weakness. We have never denied that the state is weak. When in Kazakhstan, for example, in a prestigious district of a city, a large developer successfully steps on the position of the maxillofacial STATE clinic, which was located in this prestigious district in its earliest times in the early Soviet era, this is also a clear sign of the state’s weakness, because that clinic state, in addition, has important social functions, and the interests of the developer are private and the profit from this operation will go into private hands. So we have to admit - the millionaire builder is stronger than the whole state! Okay, Kazakhstan - unfortunately, has not gone far to Russia.
            And the weakness of the state is actually not a reason to destroy it. The complete absence of the state is even worse! How much can you post about it? How many times to step on the same rake? They didn’t put Serdyukov in prison - yes, HE with him !!!! God will punish, calm down. If Serdyukov is truly guilty - God will punish, do not hesitate. Look at Brezhnev - a wife in a psychiatric hospital, a daughter in a psychiatric hospital, a granddaughter also in a psychiatric hospital, he died in insanity with megalomania - what kind of human court can punish harder?
            Once again - calm down. Do not judge - and you will not be judged. The whole screen is splattered with saliva. What is that soul crushed? Is a small place sweeter than horseradish in your hands? Calm down, look sick!
          4. Serg 122
            Serg 122 25 September 2013 17: 48 New
            +8
            Putin has nothing to do with it! And since Serdyukov is not to blame for anything, it is necessary to immediately restore him to his previously occupied position, with payment of all lost material resources and index these funds taking into account inflation! And of course, material and other damage, by itself ....
          5. PiP
            PiP 25 September 2013 18: 46 New
            -1
            Quote: kris
            for some reason it’s not even surprising. Mr. Putin's lovers, explain everything that happens!

            I am not for Putin or against him, I am a loyal citizen to the country's leadership, the new leaders will treat them the same way until they really start to strain me. Everyone (hopefully) read the article and immediately took everything at face value? said the source of the newspaper Izvestia in the Main Military that's when they officially say, then you need to make comments, and now F_U_L_E yell - "grazhdaaaaneee what is being done? karaauul ... save me"
          6. 31231
            31231 25 September 2013 20: 05 New
            +1
            Calling Putin with a lowercase letter, and call Obama a big one ?!
            Freud explained a lot.
    2. bask
      bask 25 September 2013 11: 14 New
      58
      I would say. EVERYTHING IS ALREADY EXPRESSED.
      In dowry mode, Serdyukov, chubsy and other saw cutters are not touchable.

      PAINTING BY OIL laughing
      1. smel
        smel 25 September 2013 12: 20 New
        37
        That's right. Nobody is to blame for the collapse of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the destruction of the officer corps, and the sale of tidbits of MO to ourselves at bargain prices. As, however, and in the execution of the White House, the destruction of industry, agriculture, health, etc. - not guilty. Glory to Serdyukov !!! Glory to our prosecutor's office and SK !!! It is also necessary from the state (that is, from us taxpayers) to tear them off for keeping under house arrest compensation for millions of 100 bucks, increase the salaries of prosecutors to workers by 10 times and comfort the people on TV, saying that you yourself are to blame for your phobias.
        Yes, I almost forgot ... Serdyukov as a candidate for President, and Vasiliev as Prime Minister
        1. evgenm55
          evgenm55 25 September 2013 15: 41 New
          25
          In the rotten Euro-West, if people spit in the face like that, millions would go out on the streets, and, as has happened, the entire government will be retired. But we just erased the bruise and continue to endure it. Here in the kitchens of their mother. What kind of people- such is the government. Eternal Glory and Memory to Joseph VISSARIONOVICH !!!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 26 September 2013 02: 02 New
            0
            Quote: evgenm55
            millions would go out

            - - Oh? For Monica Lewinsky, they did not even announce an impeachment to Clinton - no one in the States left such a grub on the street. Occupy Wall Street broke up - no one came out. The head of "Enron" caused billions of dollars in damage and suffered a symbolic punishment - no one took to the streets in the States.
            In the United States, they regularly shoot and kill 20 (!) And more children at a time in schools! And it does not occur to anyone in the States even to blame either Obama or the previous president for this! Millions do not go out! In Russia, a couple of maniacs, one who shot at the office because of some employee, the other - just when he was robbing a gun store - and here he is, Putin is guilty!
            In Russia, in Kazan, police monsters, and police monster Yevseyev, were all prosecuted. In the USA, a Kazakh citizen is shot by a policeman with 11 bullets, it seemed to him that our citizen reached into his pocket - and this police officer was acquitted by the court. And with regard to the witness in the case of the Tsarnaev brothers, I am generally silent - it seems that the FBI also raped with the leg of a chair and then killed, and nothing - not a single FBROvets took any responsibility. Everything is fine! What the ... are you talking about? What are millions? There, in the States, the people are scared worse than Russia at times! And now it’s justified.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 26 September 2013 02: 03 New
              -1
              Continuation ... Even if the Stalinist repressions took place (although I doubt it, but okay, not about that) - a person left on the verdict of the troika to Karlag or somewhere else for several years. But at the same time, his relatives loved and waited, most of his friends and associates believed in him and waited ... The informer who rolled the "cart" was bullied, and sometimes they acted harder! In short, people for some jamb carried for several years, even if terrible, but still only everyday and life inconveniences, practically Losing neither social status, nor respect and love among their relatives and friends. In the States, it seems, there is no such terrible repression, but you are fired for your "communist views" (it used to be, now they can for intolerance to gays) ... Well, they just get fired, it's okay. But from that moment on you cannot find a job, in the eyes of your loved ones you are rapidly moving into the category of "losers", because of this, even your wife, the mother of your children, does not want to have anything to do with you. Yes, and children will quickly explain everything about the "loser-father". If my wife is so postuapet, I generally keep quiet about my earlier friends and good acquaintances, employees and, in general, about the whole environment! In short, you were not sent to prison, but something tells me that the blow to a man is much more serious than that of Stalin and his camps. Yes, Stalin is simply a humanist compared to the sophisticated cruelty of the American elite, who created such a system!
              So, no millions in the west will go out on the street, do not invent! Zashugan are worse than any Russian. Even laughter makes out - in Norway, when your child is taken away from you on the "cart" of your child's kindergarten nanny, you have to stand and smile with a satisfied smile! Your obvious frustration due to the fact that your blood is taken away can be regarded as proof of your imbalance, and then you will definitely never see your child! So what? Norwegian parents are standing and smiling. True, the sweetheart is taut and looks more like a grin, but still it's a smile. This is how they, the poor, were scared! At least I can show the traffic cop during the registration of the protocol that I am very dissatisfied, moreover, with harsh phrases (not obscenities, of course) and nothing ... Try to do this in the States - you will leave at least two years! And you will become a "loser" with the loss of everything close and dear! Millions will come out! Ha ha ha! laughing
        2. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 25 September 2013 16: 33 New
          17
          Quote: smel
          Glory to Serdyukov !!! Glory to our prosecutor's office and SK !!!


          NOT ALL HEROES ARE LISTED - GLORY TO THE PARTY, THE GOVERNMENT, AND PERSONAL TO THE PRESIDENT!

          WE BELIEVE, BELIEVE .........
        3. Serg 122
          Serg 122 25 September 2013 17: 50 New
          0
          She is "under ..." more convenient!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 September 2013 12: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: bask
        PAINTING BY OIL

        I'm not guilty winked
      3. andrei332809
        andrei332809 25 September 2013 14: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: bask
        In dowry mode, Serdyukov, chubsy and other saw cutters, not touchable

        healthy, namesake. but I'm not ashamed, I do not go to the polls after the abolition of the column "against all"
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 16 New
          +3
          By the way, they wanted to register the party "against all" were not allowed) Suddenly she would have won a lot)
        2. bask
          bask 25 September 2013 16: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: andrei332809
          healthy, namesake. but I'm not ashamed, I do not go to the polls after the abolition of the column "against all

          Great Andrew.
          Matvienko has already proposed introducing a column against the election, if anyone, voices Putin’s approval.
          And the second most disgusting thing is that: "" The Federation Council approved today the law on the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences. 135 senators supported the bill, two abstained. Now, in order for the bill to come into force, it remains only for the President of Russia to write it.
          The adoption of the document was accompanied by large-scale protests. They were attended by representatives of the Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences ... "" http://rbcdaily.ru/society/562949989020082
          Now fundamental science, with the filing of Mr. Pu ...., pi.pi.pets ....
    3. Civil
      Civil 25 September 2013 11: 48 New
      +7
      Serdyukov, Chubais, Bulk ... to what have sunk
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 25 September 2013 12: 29 New
        +4
        "Wow..o doesn't sink" - folk wisdom.
        In Muscovy they don’t surrender. am
      2. New Russia
        New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 31 New
        12
        It only speaks of the fact that the government is so fed up with people that in Moscow 1 million people even agree to Navalny
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 September 2013 12: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: New Russia
          in Moscow, 1 million people even agree to Navalny

          Shaw, did you vote for Anal Million?
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 46 New
            +6
            Yes, a third of those who came to the polls in Moscow
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 September 2013 12: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: New Russia
              Yes, a third of those who came to the polls in Moscow

              Did sho come three million?
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 14 New
                -1
                Well, yes, 30% turnout, in Moscow 12 million, about 9 have the right to vote)
                1. Russ69
                  Russ69 25 September 2013 13: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: New Russia
                  Well, yes, 30% turnout, in Moscow 12 million, about 9 have the right to vote)

                  And how many voted? Let’s count the votes actually given, not those that supposedly could be cast.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                  2. New Russia
                    New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 10 New
                    -2
                    Well real) Everything is in the news of recent percentages, look and count) 30% voted from 30% of turnout
                2. Serg 122
                  Serg 122 25 September 2013 17: 56 New
                  +1
                  The locals came ... wassat
          2. Serg 122
            Serg 122 25 September 2013 17: 55 New
            +5
            Why be surprised? Almost 37 million people voted for the "pride of Chechnya" - this is when there are only 1 million local residents in circulation ... For "them" even SMS - voting was made free angry
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 September 2013 12: 41 New
      11
      The law is one for all, said Vladimir Vladimirovich and smiled wink
      I don’t remember who, but here on the site they assured me that they would put him in prison, they would definitely put him in. Who convinced me of this, AU
      1. Orik
        Orik 25 September 2013 13: 07 New
        13
        A very well played combination. In the first case, the removal of Perdyukov played into the hands of the authorities, when after the election the level of dissatisfaction was high. The second, now pu on horseback in relation to the situation with Syria, is the margin of safety in order to take its own out of attack. Fuckers are glad, the sheep are safe. wink There were no doubts about the results from the very beginning, though not all.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 17 New
          +4
          Well, 3 years ago the VEDRA also had a great rating, but now when all of their deeds are surfaced by Putin on the VEDRo and the government is shifting the blame, it’s becoming clear that Putin has nothing to do with it
          1. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 25 September 2013 16: 42 New
            +7
            Judging by the intrigues of the "friends" of VVP, it is already preparing for the next elections - PUTIN'S ELECTION PRESIDENT IN 2018. MAY NOT BE SPENDING ON DIFFERENT ELECTIONS - WE WILL PROVINCE HIS KING, or better IMPERATOR How much money will not be stolen ... And the results of work -
      2. TRex
        TRex 25 September 2013 13: 19 New
        +6
        Sasha, don't panic. Personally, I said that I would believe in the guarantor "IF SIT", but things are falling apart, criminals walk around the boutiques and think - what else to buy, the team scratches its turnips and thinks: "And where to attach this fool", and we all drool and we have fun ... they will SIT, be sure to SIT ... on our head ...
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 25 September 2013 13: 40 New
          +6
          Quote: TRex
          Sasha, don't panic. Personally, I said that I would believe in the guarantor "IF PLANT

          Likewise. And I also said then that if the case is "ruined", then it will have unpredictable consequences.
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 25 September 2013 13: 52 New
            0
            Quote: IRBIS
            Likewise. And I also said then that if the case is "ruined", then it will have unpredictable consequences.

            When the amnesty was announced, everyone shouted together that Vasiliev was amnestied in the very first days. They even clogged cognac ...
            We must wait for the end of the investigation, no matter what it is. And then everything will fall into place ...
            1. Hon
              Hon 25 September 2013 13: 54 New
              +6
              Quote: Russ69
              When the amnesty was announced, everyone shouted together that Vasiliev was amnestied in the very first days. They even clogged cognac ...
              We must wait for the end of the investigation, no matter what it is. And then everything will fall into place ...

              An amnesty can only be made against a person against whom a conviction has been passed. Therefore, amnesty for Vasiliev is not yet possible.
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 08 New
                0
                She would be at least a monkey for the sake of decency and she rests in 7 room apartments and walks to boutiques) Everything is clear
                1. Hon
                  Hon 25 September 2013 14: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: New Russia
                  She would be at least a monkey for the sake of decency and she rests in 7 room apartments and walks to boutiques) Everything is clear

                  She has a 13-room apartment
              2. Russ69
                Russ69 25 September 2013 17: 03 New
                +4
                Quote: Hon
                An amnesty can only be made against a person against whom a conviction has been passed. Therefore, amnesty for Vasiliev is not yet possible.

                And then they read the amnesty.?
                Under this amnesty, cases under investigation were also closed. The very essence of the amnesty was this.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 25 September 2013 17: 10 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Russ69
                  And then they read the amnesty.?
                  Under this amnesty, cases under investigation were also closed. The very essence of the amnesty was this.

                  Yes, I admit the error. I have not worked with criminal law for a long time, a lot is starting to be forgotten.
                2. Serg 122
                  Serg 122 25 September 2013 18: 02 New
                  +3
                  They planted them themselves and released them. They’ll also organize a medal for themselves, but they will write out a prize - and in general there will be a complete order! fool
              3. Serg 122
                Serg 122 25 September 2013 18: 00 New
                0
                Damn it ... They didn’t think to see the question!
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 26 September 2013 08: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: IRBIS
            Quote: TRex
            Sasha, don't panic. Personally, I said that I would believe in the guarantor "IF PLANT

            Likewise. And I also said then that if the case is "ruined", then it will have unpredictable consequences.


            As with gambling, forget it ...
        2. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 25 September 2013 16: 59 New
          +5
          Quote: TRex
          PLANT, be sure to PLANT ... on our head ...


          But was it removed from our neck? Our taxes ensure his comfortable life.
    5. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 25 September 2013 13: 41 New
      10
      The issue of responsibility of Serdyukov and the company is very painful for the citizens of Russia. At the moment, the authorities have clearly made it clear that there are "elected", "family members" - for whom there is their own, chosen justice. Does Putin really not understand that the Serdyukov case will have far-reaching consequences for the country and for him personally? Or he does not care about the citizens of Russia? Shame and disgrace. Do not want to plant Serdyukov and Co., do not plant - confiscate all property, incl. and from relatives (as suggested by Yevkurov), return the stolen property, deprive citizenship publicly and send it out of the country forever.
    6. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 25 September 2013 14: 51 New
      +1
      hi Reward the uninvolved and punish the innocent ..........)))))))))
    7. MAG
      MAG 25 September 2013 17: 20 New
      +7
      This "business" is still remembered, but about the Minister of Agriculture Skrynnik, there is already silence, and there they stole a lot of money too.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 25 September 2013 17: 56 New
        +7
        Quote: MAG
        but about the Minister of Agriculture Skrynnik is already silence
    8. Siberian German
      Siberian German 25 September 2013 19: 00 New
      +2
      la la la la - and who doubted
    9. alone
      alone 25 September 2013 19: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      All clear...


      no doubt everything is clear.

      this scoundrel, though a thief, but an honest fellow. Accurately shared the loot. Therefore, his hut from the edge. this must always be remembered:

      DO NOT PLANT YOURSELF!
    10. krasin
      krasin 25 September 2013 19: 51 New
      +4
      Well what can I say!
  2. Bort radist
    Bort radist 25 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +8
    The defendant really lives by the law - "Don't believe, don't be afraid, don't ask!"
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 25 September 2013 14: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Bort Radist
      The defendant really lives by the law - "Don't believe, don't be afraid, don't ask!"

      Sorry, this is not a law, these are concepts. It is for them that he lives.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 25 September 2013 11: 13 New
    27
    And someone was expecting something else ... a little more and words about the statute of limitations will sound ... everything will be covered with a copper basin ... and the accused will shake the country from their feeble compensation ... while legalizing the stolen goods.
    1. slacker
      slacker 25 September 2013 11: 39 New
      21
      Specialists of the Investigative Committee were unable to obtain evidence from the defendants in the Oboronservis case against Anatoly Serdyukov.


      Eh, they would give me access to the bodies of the accused ... I guarantee that within a couple of hours they would sing like nightingales in chorus and solo!
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 25 September 2013 11: 47 New
        +9
        Quote: Loafer
        Eh, they would give me access to the bodies of the accused ... I guarantee that within a couple of hours they would sing like nightingales in chorus and solo!


        Yes, yes, and I agree with that. Iron and soldering iron, and only then - the gallows.
        1. 11 black
          11 black 25 September 2013 14: 00 New
          +4
          Quote: Stiletto
          Yes, yes, and I agree with that. Iron and soldering iron, and only then - the gallows.

          it is too noticeable - traces remain ... GO WITH A FILE ON THE TEETH and they will speak like cute !!! Our spirits in Chechnya were "interrogated" - 100% result in 5 minutes of "work"wink
          PS It’s too early to guess the future, it’s too early to draw conclusions;
          I agree on one thing - if it is justified it will be the last straw for the people (for me personally for sure), and there will be unpredictable consequences!

          And yet - admins, dear, you remove THIS photo from the article, Nauseous!
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 September 2013 11: 13 New
    24
    I can’t calmly look at this face .. (if only in an arresting robe at a logging ..)
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 25 September 2013 17: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I can’t calmly look at this face ..


      Then look at this one.
  5. VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 September 2013 11: 13 New
    +9
    Finita la comedy .... the circus left, but the clowns stayed!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 September 2013 11: 31 New
      10
      Quote: VadimSt
      Finita la comedy .... the circus left, but the clowns stayed!

      Clowns in this case are our people.
      1. Hon
        Hon 25 September 2013 11: 36 New
        10
        The people are suffering
  6. New Russia
    New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 13 New
    21
    Serdyukov will never sit down. Putin does not give up. If he is imprisoned, he can talk about the theft of Putin and ministers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Aqq8xQpKs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUDbsY8C1eQJ
    5t6KBv9ds-ag
    1. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      i_vam_ne_hvoratj 25 September 2013 12: 14 New
      +5
      Dear New Russia, let me disagree. If he sits down, he will never tell anyone. There, if you wish, you can close your mouth to anyone forever. Serdyukov is not a prisoner of conscience. He is more dangerous alive and free. And at large, and even traveling, he can occupy a niche Berezovsky. But this is my subjective opinion.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 20 New
        0
        Well, he can leave information to someone from his people and they will publish it in case of a threat)
        1. little man
          little man 25 September 2013 13: 23 New
          +7
          Nonsense about the information. No one will publish anything. Meaning?
          Even if Putin himself declares - Yes, I'm a thief!
          Then the floor of the site will be screamed - see what an honest president we have! The whole world envies us!
          1. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 25 September 2013 17: 06 New
            10
            Quote: man
            The whole world envies us!


            The whole world is jealous of the fortunes of our GDP. AND WHO TO BELIEVE?
        2. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
          i_vam_ne_hvoratj 25 September 2013 14: 01 New
          +3
          Dear New Russia, I beg you. There are two nuances here. The first. Even ordinary gopniks try not to leave traces. At this level, the search for compromising evidence is possible only for the opposing special services. Second. It seems to me that now the entire flow of information can be divided into two main channels: serious information publications try to avoid covering scandals of any level, and everyone treats the yellow press accordingly. (This site is of a different direction. As they used to say in my youth, it is of a military-patriotic orientation.) Publishing compromising evidence in serious publications, even if we virtually assume that it exists, no one will unsubstantiate, and no one will read the tabloid press. The same applies to the Berezovsky niche. Nobody will seriously appreciate the words about "two suitcases of compromising evidence."
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 25 September 2013 13: 53 New
        0
        Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
        He is more dangerous alive and free. And at large, and even traveling, he can occupy a niche Berezovsky.

        Accident, I would solve all the issues ....
    2. the polar
      the polar 25 September 2013 12: 33 New
      +8
      Quote: New Russia
      Serdyukov will never sit down. Putin does not give up. If he is imprisoned, he can talk about the theft of Putin and ministers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Aqq8xQpKs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUDbsY8C1eQJ

      5t6KBv9ds-ag

      Maybe Putin himself will agree to serve Serdyukov ... If the people ask him very well about it.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 37 New
        0
        But what about the sacredness of his personality?) The remaining Putiners will have a butt)
    3. Scoun
      Scoun 25 September 2013 15: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: New Russia
      If he is imprisoned, he can talk about the theft of Putin and ministers.

      Most likely even a blunder ... nothing would happen (((IMHA.
      Let me explain why I think so.
      When the revelations of WikiLeaks began, Asanja was not accused of anything and that he was a mishandled Cossack and so on and so forth ....
      When the story of Snowden began, and then here on the forum by whom they just did not call him
      Presidents of countries openly and openly carry lies and hypocrisy from TV screens
      They violate international rights and obligations, but they don't give a damn .. from the category of "they nass in their eyes, they will say - God's dew"
      it just seems to me that the people are already just to such an abundance of information on a global scale, "hardened", "perception has dulled", we will make some noise at the forum, not wanting to lose "stability", we will sniffle and wait for the new elections ... ...
      PS.
      Please tell me kind people .. how did Roizman become mayor of Yekaterinburg? )))
    4. Serg 122
      Serg 122 25 September 2013 18: 08 New
      +1
      To whom? Who to blab ?! Yes, he will unscrew Bosko if he at least mvachknut ... And the fact that Putin’s cover - and covers his own - I agree 100 percent
  7. Russ69
    Russ69 25 September 2013 11: 21 New
    +7
    a source in the Izvestia newspaper at the Main Military Investigation Department said

    Well, how much can you link to anonymous sources.
    especially killed it; After reconciling the acceptance certificates and the tender documentation, it turned out that the military not only did not suffer damage, but they also owed 20 million rubles, ”. Initially, the case was started due to leftist acts on allegedly completed work. And now this source claims that it is the leftist papers that justify ...
    Discretion ...
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 25 September 2013 16: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      Well, how much can you link to anonymous sources

      And it seems that these stuffing is specially done to check how the people will react, a kind of injection to study the reaction of the body, such as if the dose is increased - 1. it will bend, 2. will not respond, 3. It will become stronger ..
      PS.
      Thank you for pointing to an anonymous source ... otherwise from the first lines I started up that I did not even deserve attention to this so-called "source".
  8. kostik1301
    kostik1301 25 September 2013 11: 23 New
    21
    And everything in Russia by concepts, when does I.V. Stalin appear ...........
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 26 New
      -24
      Stalin was a simple gangster at one time, so the new Stalin may already be somewhere among left-wing radicals and nationalists)
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 06 New
        -6
        Passing your bathhert?) Stalin's biogaph to read to you?) Or is he a saint?)
        1. Manager
          Manager 25 September 2013 12: 54 New
          +8
          Quote: New Russia
          Passing your bathhert?) Stalin's biogaph to read to you?) Or is he a saint?)


          Tell you where to put your opinion? Each has its own truth. For thieves, drunks and parasites, Stalin was certainly a monster, for normal families, he was a symbol of stability and strength. And yes, lo and behold, I am not 70 -90 years old, but only 32. And I am completely for returning those times. Not balmy 80s and early 90s, namely 50-70s.
          And yes, you are on a Russian-language site and be so kind as to write in Russian and not your butts are wiped out. With such words to you in bulk.
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 04 New
            +2
            Bulk, sputtering ... I recognize Putin!) It’s you shove your anger yourself and I’m not for Navalny. I am for Kvachkova and the people against Putin. Such as you, even from a thief Russophobe Putin will make a saint. Stalin was rather positive than negative, but yes, he killed people and was wanted for robbery before the revolution! Do not forget to drink pills, a fighter with the State Department
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 25 September 2013 14: 45 New
              0
              Wow, Stalin is bad, Putin is bad, Yeltsin is bad. And then who is good? Maybe Hitler?
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 53 New
                +2
                Stalin is much better than Putin and Yeltsin) And the good Kvachkov, Budanov, Rokhlin ...
                1. Arabist
                  Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 00 New
                  -2
                  Is that all? And what are so few regime martyrs? Why haven’t Ivashov been written?
                  1. New Russia
                    New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 15 New
                    +2
                    That is, there is no regime?) For the cause, did these people suffer?)
                    1. Arabist
                      Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 18 New
                      -2
                      Ah, so there were no crimes? But how then is your slogan the law is one for all?
                      1. New Russia
                        New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 22 New
                        -2
                        What kind of crime?) Tell me)
                      2. Arabist
                        Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 32 New
                        -3
                        Kvachkov convicted under Art. 279 armed rebellion, Yuri Budanov was convicted under paragraph “c” of part 2 of article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Murder”) under part 1 of article 126 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“kidnapping”) to 6 years in prison, under paragraphs “a, c” part 3 of article 286 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Excess of official authority”).
                      3. New Russia
                        New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 43 New
                        0
                        Oh yes, you are a lawyer and your court decision is always fair) There are concepts of morality and justice
                      4. Arabist
                        Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 49 New
                        -2
                        Do not worry professional ethics I passed. And you will settle down in law enforcement bodies and work there a little. And very quickly, your pink vision of morality and justice in bows will disappear. I have to communicate with such citizens, and you know, as a rule, there is only 1 court trip, even if not as a defendant he discourages engaging in his own business forever.
                    2. Hon
                      Hon 25 September 2013 15: 49 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Arabist
                      Kvachkov convicted under Art. 279 armed rebellion,

                      According to investigators, he tried to organize a mutiny with two crossbows.
                      Quote: Arabist
                      Yuri Budanov was sentenced under paragraph “c” of part 2 of article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Murder”) under part 1 of article 126 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Kidnapping”) to 6 years in prison, under paragraphs “a, b” of part 3 of article 286 Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Excess of official authority”).

                      This is a lesson for all of our military, it’s impossible to kill snipers in the war, and it doesn’t matter what she put the six guys. So in your opinion? If we have such advocates of the law, then maybe a closer look at the leadership of the Chechen Republic? Ramzan was once proud of the fact that he killed the first Russian at the age of 16, by the way it turns out even before the start of the war.
                    3. New Russia
                      New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 59 New
                      +2
                      With such champions we have the most "fair" law enforcement)
                    4. Arabist
                      Arabist 25 September 2013 16: 04 New
                      -2
                      Well, become yourself the servants of the law. But for computers, all daredevils and experts. Victor Bout probably deservedly serving his sentence at fair gringos? Or Ratko Mladic and Vojislav Seshel?
                    5. Hon
                      Hon 25 September 2013 16: 10 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Arabist
                      Well, become yourself the servants of the law. But for computers, all daredevils and experts. Victor Bout probably deservedly serving his sentence at fair gringos? Or Ratko Mladic and Vojislav Seshel?

                      Yes, it seems like already, I’m also a lawyer, by the way it turned out that I had to choose between my current place of work and the UK. I didn’t want to go to the UK, so I would choose a mentovka without options. Because the prosecutor's office is a bunch of hypocritical cowards with an overly high sense of self-importance.
                    6. Arabist
                      Arabist 25 September 2013 16: 13 New
                      0
                      Moreover, the prosecutor's office and the investigative committee? The Investigative Committee has long been separated from the prosecutor's office. But why didn’t they go to the police? However, this is not my business.
                    7. Hon
                      Hon 25 September 2013 16: 26 New
                      0
                      Quote: Arabist
                      Moreover, the prosecutor's office and the investigative committee? The Investigative Committee has long been separated from the prosecutor's office. But why didn’t they go to the police? However, this is not my business.

                      Well, they were separated not very long ago, and the prosecutor's investigators moved to the UK. I didn’t go to the cop, because I didn’t serve in the army, and if I didn’t serve then the category of suitability should be "A", even "B" is not suitable for those who did not serve (problem being solved), I have "C" that is, I cannot get through. But in the UK they took (by agreement)
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 25 September 2013 17: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Arabist
    And then who is good?


    Look in the mirror - you will surely see what you need!
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 25 September 2013 17: 34 New
      0
      Wow, am I? Well, thanks. hi
  • sven27
    sven27 25 September 2013 15: 42 New
    +2
    Are you again fighting off a pack of Putiners? laughing
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 52 New
      0
      On this thread, only 2 e attacked me; the rest shamefully fled the battlefieldXD)
      1. sven27
        sven27 25 September 2013 15: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: New Russia
        On this thread, only 2 e attacked me; the rest shamefully fled the battlefieldXD)

        they fled to a branch about drones laughing
  • Manager
    Manager 25 September 2013 16: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: New Russia
    I recognize Putin!)

    You are mistaken girl.
    Quote: New Russia
    That you shove your anger yourself

    I am a very kind person, just different kinds of ... radishes a lot divorced.
    Quote: New Russia
    Like you

    A typical teenager doesn’t know about life yet, but she sees people through one article .... don’t make fun and don’t rubbish - it hurts!
    Quote: New Russia
    Do not forget to drink pills, a fighter with the State Department

    Well, I sleep and see! Although I would probably be glad if the plague in the form of the United States would disappear from the planet. (Naturally I'm not talking about civilians)
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 20: 58 New
      -1
      "A typical teenager, she doesn't know shit about life yet, but she sees people through one article .... don't be ridiculous and don't talk nonsense - it hurts!" Well, you somehow saw in me a fan of Navalny!)
      1. Manager
        Manager 26 September 2013 08: 01 New
        0
        Quote: New Russia
        "Well, you somehow saw in me a fan of Navalny!)

        You don’t even understand what you read. I told you that with such words you go to Navalny, and not that you are his fan ...... In general, there’s nothing to talk with you about.
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 25 September 2013 18: 13 New
    0
    Corporal
    New Russia RU Today, 13:04 ↑ New
    Stalin was rather positive than negative, but yes, he killed people and was wanted for robbery before the revolution!

    By the way, Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, a mountain Jew, has five shoots. A couple of shoots were completely unrealistic, which is why there was an opinion about his work on the secret police (one of the versions). But there was such a time that he had to stay in this environment. And when he gained power, he cut out the Bolshevik radicals.
    If the gop company of Leiba Davidovich Bronstein (Trotsky) came to power, there would be a lot of money for the country and the people.
    Here's a video where Putin rebukes the Hasidim and talks about the nationalization of the Schneerson library by the Soviet government, in which there were 85 percent of Jews.
  • Orik
    Orik 25 September 2013 13: 26 New
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    You see, baby. The MOTIVATION of the action is important. Stalin of those exes did not spend a dime on himself, and there is no need to talk about his "state" after death. The Leader realized his great dream of equality and justice, having said everything by his deeds. You and your radicals still use his legacy, but most radicals are radical not because they really want truth and justice, but out of envy, the desire to grab a piece of which they do not have. Do not have since not capable of the creative process either by education or reason. Good should be with fists, but this is only an option, the basis for the creation of the most just society.
    For clarity, I will give a small example. We all see the dominance of "guests" in our markets, a simple farmer and gardener cannot get there. I tell the radicals not to help the brothers enter the markets by creating joint cooperatives, where farmers will supply products, and the radicals will sell (not every farmer has the opportunity to trade himself), fairly distributing a margin of 2/3 to the manufacturer, 1/3 to the radicals. Here wrestling abilities will also come in handy in the event of forceful pressure from clans and an organization to resist the corrupt policemen who cover the market barn. This will give a mutually beneficial opportunity for farmers to sell their products at a much higher mark-up, and give the radicals work for their own, raise the level of organization, and increase their financial resources.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 38 New
      -3
      Cooperatives? Yes, because radicals are either intellectuals or ordinary people from the street it is not their business to create cooperatives. You are wrong to snatch a piece; most radicals are ideological people, because only an ideological person can ignite a crowd, ignite people, and a fake person is immediately visible. And I do not say anything against Stalin)
      1. Hon
        Hon 25 September 2013 13: 40 New
        +4
        It’s not true that people often were raised to the barricades by false hypocrites, remember Yeltsin on the tank.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 50 New
          0
          Maybe. But do you think Kvachkova is lying? When he spoke at a meeting of officers. Or not? And why.
          1. Hon
            Hon 25 September 2013 13: 56 New
            +1
            I did not say always, I said it often happened.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 06 New
              +1
              Here) And why do you believe Kvachkov?) After all, mud was also poured on him) Because it is clear that he is not lying intuition)
              1. Hon
                Hon 25 September 2013 14: 19 New
                +2
                Kvachkov was not seen in defamatory ties, and the awards on his chest make me believe, but my intuition is deceiving, it is not there, as I wrote in my time, the people behind Yeltsin climbed into the tanks, and Chubais applauded, but in the end they just got a divorce.
      2. Orik
        Orik 25 September 2013 14: 16 New
        +1
        And what is THEIR business? Tell me.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 36 New
          -3
          The Affair of the Common People http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfe96OEvGjw&feature=player_embedded The Affair of the Intellectuals is easy to say. )
          1. Orik
            Orik 25 September 2013 15: 27 New
            0
            laughing laughing laughing

            I am writing to you about this, chatting and smashing all the "affairs". Learn to create!
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 38 New
              0
              So, in order to build up, it is necessary that people understand that they are masters in their land and that the state has historically been formed as a servant of the people and fair managers who will judge fairly) We can’t do anything until we understand who we are and who the state is
              1. Arabist
                Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 40 New
                -3
                The state is a machine of suppression, as Lenin taught us.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 51 New
                  -1
                  Ideally no, but in 1917 and now yes)
                2. Arabist
                  Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 53 New
                  +1
                  Oh really? Seriously?. Have you read Tomaso Companella and Thomas More?
                3. New Russia
                  New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 57 New
                  0
                  No, I'm not the smartest like you) But the state should serve the people
                4. AleksUkr
                  AleksUkr 25 September 2013 17: 32 New
                  +6
                  Quote: New Russia
                  But the state must serve the people


                  IT IS NOTABLE !!!!!!!!! how the state serves the people.
        2. Orik
          Orik 25 September 2013 17: 46 New
          +2
          Again, dear, you are confusing cause and effect. FIRST, a person feels like the owner, and then he puts things in order at the farm. Otherwise, it turns out "since we are power, then all the women, moonshine and our zhrachka". wink Although you still have a lot of confusion in your head, you feel a lot. You yourself will gradually see how people change, getting even a little power, one of 5-10 is able not to lean on and exercise power, including for the benefit of others. Everything in this world is sacrificed by mother, plowman, worker, war.
          To realize that there is justice, a person must have an ideal. Like the feeling of the owner, all this is systematically killed in people.
          "... the door is closed for meanings and values, subjective grounds and motives are replaced by conditioning processes and it remains by means of" hidden suggestion "to condition and manipulate a person. It is reification that opens the door of manipulation. them...
          - ... a person begins to behave like a person only when he is able to overcome the level of psychophysical and organismic given ...
          - ... the primary meaning is not spatial and not material, not corporal, but existential.
          - Thus, a person in general is a person then and to the extent when and since he, as a spiritual being, transcends the limits of his physical and mental being.
          gets on and does not die.
          “An existential vacuum is a collective neurosis of our day that can only be cured on a collective level.”
          - Only if the initial concern for the implementation of meaning is frustrated, does a person seek pleasure or is satisfied with power.
          - The desire for power, money explains a lot in professional over-activity along with sexual over-activity, which serve as an escape from awareness of the existential vacuum.
          - The path to gaining pleasure and self-realization leads only through self-giving and self-denial.
          - At first he understood himself to be a creation - as if from the point of view of his creator, God. Then came the machine age, and man began to see in himself the creator - as if from the point of view of his creation, the machine. Now we live in an age of thinking and counting machines, a person begins to see himself as a product of the economic system.
          “The less a person is able to determine the purpose of his life, the more he accelerates its pace.” Viktor Frankl “A Man in Search of Meaning”
    2. Orik
      Orik 25 September 2013 18: 15 New
      +1
      I recommend for the general development of http://sulakshin.ru there is also a good history textbook http://rusrand.ru/dev/uchebnik-istorii
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 25 September 2013 14: 47 New
    -13
    Quote: Orik
    Stalin of those exes did not spend a dime on himself, and there is no need to talk about his "state" after death.

    Yeah, what did you think he lived for and went to Switzerland? Plowed in the field or stood at the machine? Who are you and where did Comrade Dzhugashvili work?
    At the expense of the state. His daughter, having faded from the USSR from India, first of all, for some reason visited Switzerland, after which she suddenly had several millions for which she had worked without a single day, she safely existed in the USA, surrounding herself with a local bohemian and party, after which she successfully ran out everything that was requested back to the USSR to the popular tit. Do not even offer a version with a fee for a book, in those days books cost a penny, and a million dollars was like the current ten. For example, Joan Rowling for the sake of her millions wrote more than one book about Harry Potter, while receiving fees for both film adaptation and related products besides the books themselves. Aliluyev herself complained that the publishers and agents had fooled her like a simpleton, having appropriated most of the fees for herself, because at the conclusion of the contract did not look what she signed. So Comrade Stalin had a nest egg in Switzerland.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 25 September 2013 15: 02 New
      +3
      Just do not need to apply today's measure of values ​​to this man! Svetlana remembered who she married? Remind? If you do not know, there is nothing to touch him with your unclean hands!
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 25 September 2013 16: 39 New
        -2
        Quote: Den 11
        Svetlana remembered who she married? Remind? If you do not know, there is nothing to touch him with your unclean hands!

        Remind. For a millionaire? Or for an architect who pro-sponsored her condition?
    2. Orik
      Orik 25 September 2013 15: 35 New
      +3
      Yeah, what did you think he lived for and went to Switzerland? Plowed in the field or stood at the machine? Who are you and where did Comrade Dzhugashvili work?


      Learn the story, chatterbox!

      1899
      January 18 - Seminar Joseph Dzhugashvili for a month loses the right to enter the city.
      April 19 - Joseph Dzhugashvili, while on vacation in Tiflis, takes an active part in the working day.
      May 29 - the decision to expel Joseph Dzhugashvili from the seminary with the motivation "for failure to appear for exams for an unknown reason", and in fact - for the propaganda of Marxism among seminarians and workers of railway workshops.
      June - November 1899 - Joseph Dzhugashvili is tutoring with children from wealthy families in Tiflis.
      December 28, 1899 - March 21, 1901 - years of work of I.V. Stalin as a computer observer at the Tiflis Observatory with a salary of 20 rubles per month. (This geophysical observatory had nothing to do with astronomy, as, for example, E. Radzinsky claims, but was just a meteorological station).
      1900
      April 23 - I.V. Stalin gives a speech on a working day in the vicinity of Tiflis, in the area of ​​Salt Lake.
      July 1900 - April 1901 - I.V. Stalin, P.A. Japaridze, A.G. Tsulukidze and S.V. Dzhibladze publish on August 1 the first printing leaflet. Also known are leaflets issued on August 3, 4, 8, 10, and 11. The first political leaflet was published on December 18.
      1901
      March 21 - a search of the apartment of I.V. Stalin at the observatory and an order from the authorities to arrest him; at the time of the search in the observatory, IV Stalin was not. On the night of March 22, Viktor Kurnatovsky is being arrested.
      March 28 - from that day until the February Revolution of 1917 I.V. Under illegal conditions, Stalin leads a tense, dangerous, heroic life of a professional Bolshevik revolutionary of the Leninist school.


      http://baldin.ru/article/read/istorija_stalina.html

      Further links, prisons, escapes and short-term trips to the congresses. Zhirova in Switzerland blanks, brackets and other evil spirits.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 25 September 2013 16: 45 New
        -5
        Quote: Orik
        Learn the story, chatterbox!

        Learn to understand what you write. Since 1900 and before the October coup what did he live for?
        Quote: Orik
        March 28 - from that day until the February Revolution of 1917 I.V. Under illegal conditions, Stalin leads a tense, dangerous, heroic life of a professional Bolshevik revolutionary of the Leninist school.

        From pathos do not suffocate. Stalin is a parasite like his whole Bolshevik gang, yes, three months of work at the observatory, can you safely record him in the proletariat?
        1. mark7
          mark7 25 September 2013 22: 23 New
          +2
          Really a talker, even entering into correspondence is somehow disgusting
    3. Orik
      Orik 25 September 2013 15: 39 New
      +3
      How Stalin "fattened".

      1913
      September 27 - Ya.M. Sverdlov writes R.V. Malinovsky: “Dear Roman! I don’t know if this letter will be able to reach the beginning of the debauchery ... I just said goodbye to Vaska ("Vasily" - one of the pseudonyms of IV Stalin - LB), he stayed with me for a week ... If you have money for me or Vaska (can send), then send to the following address: Turukhansk Yenisei province, s. Monastic, Karl Aleksandrovich Lukashevits. And nothing more, no marks for anyone and the like is needed. At the same time, send either me or Vaska a postcard with a message about sending and mark the number. That's all. By past mail we wrote to you, asked for the deportation of newspapers and magazines. Do what you can. All the best, every success, hello to all friends. Shake your hand".
      October 1 - the meeting of the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b) confirmed the earlier decision “on the organization of I.V. Dzhugashvili and Ya.M. Sverdlov’s escape and the allocation of 100 rubles for this purpose. ”
      November 10 - I.V. Stalin writes a letter to Petersburg addressed to T.A. Slavutinsky: “Somehow it’s shameful to write, but what can you do - the need compels. I don't have a penny. And all the supplies came out. There was some money, but it was spent on warm clothes, shoes and supplies, which are very expensive here. They still trust in a loan, but by God, I don’t know what will happen next ... Is it possible to stir up acquaintances and get 20-30 rubles? And even more? It would be a direct salvation, and the sooner, the better, since winter is in full swing (yesterday it was 33 degrees cold). And the wood is not bought in sufficient quantities, the stock is running out. I hope you get it if you want. So, to the point, dear. And then the “Caucasian from the Kalashnikovskaya Exchange” will look like that ... you know the address, send it directly to me (Turukhansky Krai, Yenisei province, Kostino village, etc.). You can, if necessary, stir up Sokolov, and then money can be found more than 30 rubles. And that would be a holiday for me. ”
      November 12 - I.V. Stalin makes a postscript to the letter addressed to T.A. Slavutinsky: “Darling, dear Tatyana Alexandrovna, I received the parcel. But I didn’t ask you for new clothes, I only asked for my own, old, but you still bought a new one, you spent it, meanwhile, it’s a pity, you have very little money. I don’t know how to pay you, dear, dear - dear. ”
      November 20 - I.V. Stalin makes another postscript to the letter addressed to T.A. Slavutinsky: “Sweetheart. My need is growing by the clock, I am in a desperate situation, in addition I am still sick, some kind of suspicious cough has begun. You need milk, but ... money, no money. Honey, if you get the money, send it immediately by telegram. No urine to wait anymore ... ".
  • Dober
    Dober 25 September 2013 15: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Orik
    You see, baby.

    Yes, I think everyone understands that the "baby" may well have a weekly stubble, stones in the gallbladder and permanent fumes ...
    Yes, and a picture of a granddaughter for an avatar ...

    And a clear desire to troll ... "respected catfish" laughing
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 26 New
      +1
      XDDD) And what do you think the girls do not understand?
      1. Dober
        Dober 25 September 2013 16: 09 New
        +2
        I thought for a while about building a phrase ...
        Quote: New Russia
        do you think the girls don’t understand anything?

        Well, in some ways they understand very well ... I have GIRLS (in view of). But much of that "what do they understand" goes beyond the scope of VO.
        Usually GIRLS have different hobbies. From "cross-stitching on the hoop" to "spinning * opoy, in suitable situations", but hanging on THIS resource, literally "sticking to everyone you meet" - looks like a banal trolling due to excess time ...
        Although...
        / thoughtfully / Girls are over 45 ... (physiological)
        Just in case - love
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 16: 13 New
          +1
          Girls are different ...) tongue
          1. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 25 September 2013 17: 37 New
            +5
            Quote: New Russia
            Girls are different ...)


            Especially the ones on the right?
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      2. Manager
        Manager 26 September 2013 08: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: New Russia
        And what do you think the girls do not understand?

        Such as on your ava, whether in a row!
    2. Hon
      Hon 25 September 2013 15: 30 New
      +1
      By the way it is written it is clear that a clearly young girl, probably 20 or so years old. Perhaps a young guy, but very unlikely, and it makes no sense.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 25 September 2013 14: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: New Russia
    Do you read Stalin’s biogaph?

    You can read (with the indication of the source of information of course) wink

    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 56 New
      -1
      Okay, that was a mistake about robberies!) Once I saw it on the first channel. Here
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 01 New
        +3
        So according to your version, channel 1 is the mouthpiece of crooks, thieves, and Russophobes. And do you believe him? He laughed. Thank.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 14 New
          +1
          I said it was wrong!) And you Putiners do not believe the first channel?)
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 17 New
            0
            I do not believe everything that they say because it is not small. Your anti-Putin comments will not make the country better. And do not use Lurk tongue so often.
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 25 September 2013 16: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: New Russia
        Okay, that was a mistake about robberies!) Once I saw it on the first channel. Here

        You guess for what purpose they pour dirt on Stalin and replace concepts with respect to communist ideas?
  • ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 25 September 2013 14: 59 New
    0
    Quote: New Russia
    Have you got a bathhurt?

    And speak Russian poorly?
    1. Hon
      Hon 25 September 2013 15: 02 New
      0
      This internet term means "butt pain"
    2. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 14 New
      +1
      Buthert is when something angers but argues anger does not work) For fanatics this happens
  • abdrah
    abdrah 25 September 2013 12: 53 New
    +3
    It’s better to be a gangster in concepts than a huckster, huckster has nothing sacred, only enrichment, the real thief, of whom there probably was no material left, was not important.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 06 New
      -6
      Agree. The bandits of the 90s had more honor than the oligarchs, corrupt officials and the current Caucasian organized crime groups, no jokes
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 September 2013 13: 08 New
        12
        Quote: New Russia
        Agree. The bandits of the 90s had more honor than the oligarchs

        Froilyain, how old are you? The oligarchs are the bandits of the 90s !!!
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 19 New
          -4
          The oligarchs are the oligarchs and the bandits are the seeds in the stairwell and PM with a baseball bat)
          1. Hon
            Hon 25 September 2013 13: 33 New
            +4
            The seeds in the entrance are gopniks, the bandits were mainly athletes, veterans, as well as former employees (much less often) and actually blue (black), still Caucasians. By the way, I know one bandos of St. Petersburg, more precisely, we have a common acquaintance. So now the oligarch is quite imagined, at home abroad, a lot of servants, security, a lot of legal business, prefers to ride a bentley.
            Or, for example, Anatoly Bykov, he began with an ordinary racket and became the aluminum king.
            By the way: November 19, 2004 Bykov joined the political party "Eurasian Union"; June 7, 2011 Bykov was awarded the distinction "For Services to the City of Krasnoyarsk"
          2. Russ69
            Russ69 25 September 2013 13: 56 New
            0
            Quote: New Russia
            The oligarchs are the oligarchs and the bandits are the seeds in the stairwell and PM with a baseball bat)

            Who worked for the current aligarchs ...
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 06 New
              -2
              In general, yes. But earlier racketeering of racketeering and murder of businessmen was widespread, not rape and pedophilia as it is now
              1. Hon
                Hon 25 September 2013 14: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: New Russia
                In general, yes. But earlier racketeering of racketeering and murder of businessmen was widespread, not rape and pedophilia as it is now

                Rocket, protection, etc. this is what money was made, and rape and pedophilia are just crimes, by the way, both bandos and ordinary inhabitants can commit them, these crimes have always been committed.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 34 New
                  0
                  Always but not on such a scale as now google official statistics
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 25 September 2013 14: 38 New
                    0
                    Yes, it’s about the same, it’s just that the company now has similar cases, everything pops up, do not forget about the latency of this type of crime, that is, it’s difficult to keep statistics on them
                  2. New Russia
                    New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 42 New
                    -1
                    Compash? Where?) About the growth of pedophilia at times even in Russia 2 years ago they said
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 September 2013 16: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: New Russia
          The oligarchs are the oligarchs and the bandits are the seeds in the stairwell and PM with a baseball bat)

          Clear, youngster on the site
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 25 September 2013 14: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: abdrah
    the real thief, of whom there probably was no material left, was not important.
    Yeah - they became thieves for a lofty goal, romance ... laughing

    This "romance" is divorce.
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 25 September 2013 13: 36 New
    +2
    Is it you again raving about bank robberies by Stalin? So it wasn’t, and many on this forum read Stalin’s biography and other scientific works about him. Therefore, it is not necessary, having grabbed the tops from the perestroika newspapers, to carry nonsense with the appearance of an expert.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 51 New
      -1
      Good. There was no robbery. But there was collectivization and the law of 3 spikelets. Well, he’s not an angel, not an angel)
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 25 September 2013 14: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: New Russia
        But there was collectivization and the law of 3 spikelets. Well, he’s not an angel, not an angel)
        So take an interest in what it is, read this law after all.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 15: 11 New
          -3
          That is, hunger was not the result of Stalin’s domestic policy, but it happened by itself?)
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 25 September 2013 15: 13 New
            0
            Not by itself, but there was famine in the 20s.
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 25 September 2013 16: 30 New
            +4
            Quote: New Russia
            That is, hunger was not the result of Stalin’s domestic policy, but it happened by itself?)

            The cause of the famine was crop failure, the criminal component and the devastation after the Civil.

            At the beginning of the 20th century, there were 7 - 01, 05, 06, 07, 08, 11, 13 years of similar hunger periods.
      2. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 25 September 2013 23: 21 New
        +1
        there is no need to argue about those things about which later to say: "well, it was good." Read more books, the benefit of the Internet, and about the "three spikelets" and about collectivization. And stop being a provocateur, the site is not the same.
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 25 September 2013 17: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: New Russia
    Stalin was a simple gangster at one time, so the new Stalin may already be somewhere among left-wing radicals and nationalists)


    AND EVERYTHING YOU KNOW, AND EVERYWHERE BEEN VISITED, EXACTLY INTRODUCED ...? Envy is the same delight!
  • Sergey_K
    Sergey_K 25 September 2013 23: 48 New
    +1
    Stalin is the sacred cow of this site. In principle, Putin, too, but something mechanism failed, and I see negative comments! Will not work! Putin is not to blame! The Duma is not to blame! And anyway, that you, your mother, are not happy all the time ??? !!!
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 25 September 2013 11: 23 New
    11
    Favorite blya..y!

    Whatever good the current government would do, but generations will remember it for the affairs of Serdyukov, Kvachkov, and so on.
    When will a "hero" appear in Russia, who will kill all this thieves' caudle from a nominal revolver!
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 27 New
      13
      Kvachkov was such a hero. Where are the rallies in his defense? Everyone at home on the Internet is outraged and waiting for someone else to do it for them.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 25 September 2013 12: 15 New
        +9
        Quote: New Russia
        Where are the rallies in his defense?

        Haha ..... Do you think that the rallies will change something ???? Your rallies are just the thieves who organize to create an appearance ... ... here we need an independent social regulator "forest nurse" so to speak, that such phenomena as theft, corruption and sabotage did not pollute our society

        Here a blood bath is needed at the addresses of thieves and the resettlement of their families in sparsely populated areas of the Russian Federation
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 23 New
          +6
          An organization is needed for a bloody bath, or to be completely boiling) 300 500 1000 people are already leaving in the regions, but until oil prices drop, apparently the rest will think my hut knows nothing from the edge)
          1. Orik
            Orik 25 September 2013 13: 31 New
            +1
            In the words of not a boy, but a husband. It turns out that not everything is so running.
          2. Russ69
            Russ69 25 September 2013 13: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: New Russia
            A blood bath needs an organization

            I wonder who will benefit from the bloody bath in Russia ..?
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 05 New
              +1
              It was not the bathhouse that you thought of, but read the branch that is individual for each enemy of the people from the beginning) Cops for people will not shoot and thieves and oligarchs will not be defended by anyone. The main thing is that Navalny doesn’t come after, but apart from Moscow naive fools, nobody needs him, all the same, in one place Putin’s propaganda about Navalny from the State Department is usefulXD)
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 25 September 2013 17: 08 New
                0
                Quote: New Russia
                This was not the bathhouse that you thought about, but the individual branch for each enemy of the people, read from the beginning)
                You write a little higher that Stalin was a bandit destroying objectionable, now you yourself are proposing to do the same. Who will determine who is right, who is to blame?
            2. Bort radist
              Bort radist 25 September 2013 14: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: Russ69
              I wonder who will benefit from the bloody bath in Russia ..?

              The bath attendant!
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 25 September 2013 17: 10 New
                0
                Quote: Bort Radist
                The bath attendant!

                I don’t argue ... The question is who will be in this position ...
                1. Prosha
                  Prosha 26 September 2013 00: 51 New
                  +1
                  A Shoigu will be appointed as a bathhouse attendant. Who else?
          3. JonnyT
            JonnyT 25 September 2013 14: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: New Russia
            In regions by 300 500 1000
            And you can read more if you are not difficult of course .....
            I myself am from the region, but people are coming out to beat the neighboring region or those who fly)))) .... I am outraged a lot, but basically everyone adapted to the current system, build houses, give birth to children, work. There is always the possibility of earning, there is only a lot of work to be found .... you can go to rallies, demand, try to change the system, but you can work and grow children. Unfortunately, these things are not compatible.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 33 New
              +2
              That's it so that everyone needs something special) For example, in Novouralsk, 20000 migrants went there for the last 10000 inhabitants, in Ivanovo, Volgograd the other day, Stavropol, Sagra, Novokhopyorsk and others. I don’t remember the small towns of figs) It’s still there in recent months I do not remember)
            2. soaring
              soaring 25 September 2013 18: 02 New
              0
              Super!!! To the very point !!!! JonnyT-You my respect !!! good drinks
    2. Orik
      Orik 25 September 2013 13: 29 New
      0
      When will a "hero" appear in Russia?


      When the majority of the people deserve it!
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 25 September 2013 11: 25 New
    +9
    Photo to the article - how does this RYE ASK A BRICK !!! angry
    1. Hon
      Hon 25 September 2013 11: 38 New
      +2
      Only armored Mercedes, such a brick does not take
      1. Yura
        Yura 25 September 2013 11: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        Only armored Mercedes, such a brick does not take

        Well, why, and if the brick is made of dynamite and the size of a foam concrete block?
        1. Hon
          Hon 25 September 2013 11: 51 New
          +1
          Dreams Dreams. Have you taken Chubais? Yeltsin? Gaidar?
  • pv1005
    pv1005 25 September 2013 11: 25 New
    +6
    The question is, why are there such "specialists" in the GVSU who did not take into account, did not see, did not hear. For the PR, yes we are, yes we are, yes we are crushing naked Hedgehogs. But in fact, well, I didn't, I didn't. Then everything is printed ........................
  • Aney
    Aney 25 September 2013 11: 26 New
    +2
    Well, where are the "patriots" that there is no one?
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 30 New
      0
      These are not patriots but fools who are trying to talk about Putin’s gang crimes with fictitious achievements, but it’s getting worse
      1. Aney
        Aney 25 September 2013 11: 37 New
        +6
        YOU WHAT ??? Do not know that in fact all the difficulties we have are due to the State Department ???
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 42 New
          +6
          Deputy Fedorov will tell us that Putin is trying but can’t do anything and through force will appoint ministers of enemies of the people and sign the law on the WTO, but we still need to support Putin because who if not him?)
          1. Aney
            Aney 25 September 2013 12: 51 New
            +5
            Cries and signs ...
    2. pahom54
      pahom54 25 September 2013 12: 11 New
      +5
      So today I died, but not as a patriot - the Motherland and the country have nothing to do with it, died as a supporter of GDP ... That's all.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 25 New
        +6
        By the way, I also voted for Putin in 2012, and only after a straight line in the spring of delirium about the salaries of the doctors of defense of Serdyukov and Chubais on the part of Putin began to understand something, and before that, everything was in a fog, all the time, I justified excuses for him)
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 25 September 2013 13: 47 New
          10
          Dolgonko, you opened your eyes ... With him everything has been clear for a long time fellow
        2. mark7
          mark7 25 September 2013 22: 42 New
          +1
          Well done better late than never, many continue to live in this fog
      2. Dober
        Dober 25 September 2013 15: 22 New
        0
        Quote: pahom54
        died as a supporter of GDP ... That's it.

        Amen....
  • Algor73
    Algor73 25 September 2013 11: 29 New
    +3
    "The investigation in the Oboronservis case failed to obtain evidence against Serdyukov" - one might think that someone had doubts. We need serious changes. It is impossible to change the system by changing only signs and names, hence all the problems.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 33 New
      +3
      The system is people who need to be replaced by everyone, as well as laws and the constitution
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 25 September 2013 11: 29 New
    +2
    We hoped to get direct evidence of participation in the dubious transactions of Serdyukov himself, but did not take into account a number of economic nuances, As a result, testimony against the ex-minister could not be obtained

    Who would have doubted! With hundreds of millions of leftist money turnovers - as a result, "Nobody wanted to die."
    The result is "Oil Painting"! AND FIVE satisfied.
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  • d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 25 September 2013 11: 34 New
    +6
    Well, you can’t plant ... at least shoot me then!
    1. saber
      saber 25 September 2013 15: 01 New
      0
      not the 37th! just could have died of a heart attack ... After all, he was worried about billions plundered by his calf, right !?
  • Unsam
    Unsam 25 September 2013 11: 40 New
    0
    What nonsense? (
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 25 September 2013 11: 41 New
    +7
    Hmm, Taburetkin is a monument to the powerlessness of corruption against corruption ... request
    Can’t we wait, but ...:
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 50 New
      0
      Dyomushkin and Marcinkiewicz have to do with it?) Are you guilty of lack of love for the enemy of the people of Putin?) Powerlessness against corruption ... Power is corruption. The name of the authorities why everyone is embarrassed to say?
      1. Hon
        Hon 25 September 2013 11: 54 New
        +3
        Martsinkevich))) A Jew-Russian nationalist, that's cool))) Isn't Demushkin the one who sang the praises of Kadyrov?))
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 01 New
          -1
          Yes?) At the expense of Demushkin I did not know, but at the expense of the Jew Marcinkiewicz, Roizman was also a Jew but was not seen in anything bad but only in good, therefore he won the election despite the cheating even)
          1. Hon
            Hon 25 September 2013 12: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: New Russia
            Yes?) At the expense of Demushkin I did not know, but at the expense of the Jew Marcinkiewicz, Roizman was also a Jew but was not seen in anything bad but only in good, therefore he won the election despite the cheating even)

            In 1981, Roizman was convicted of theft (art. 144 part 2 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR), fraud (147 part 3 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR) and illegal possession of cold steel (218 part 2 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR). OPG Uralmash this is of course only good)))
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 40 New
              0
              Well, that was a long time ago) And judging by the way his power in the elections was afraid and awkwardly pouring mud he was not a crook, you will see his meetings with voters, no guards, no statements, honestly answers tough questions. And he fought with drugs for which he almost sat down
              1. Hon
                Hon 25 September 2013 13: 02 New
                +3
                Quote: New Russia
                Well, that was a long time ago) And judging by the way his power in the elections was afraid and awkwardly pouring mud he was not a crook, you will see his meetings with voters, no guards, no statements, honestly answers tough questions. And he fought with drugs for which he almost sat down

                This is called pissing in the ears, Roizman has a good criminal cover if that, after all, lobbying for the necessary interests. By the way, why did you get the idea that he is fighting the drug trade, and does not help to crush the market.
                His friends are relevant:
                Andrey (Dyusha) Kabanov, Ekaterinburg. One of the founders of the Yekaterinburg Foundation "A city without drugs." At one time (when Roizman was serving his term in the Duma) he was even in charge of the Fund’s chief, but later this whole thing sickened him and he retired. In this, your LiveJournal is known as the Livejournal user icon.pngakabanov (by the way, all the non-castle posts in this cozy blog are racially reminiscent of open peer). In the past - a participant in the Siniye organized crime group (criminals), a drug addict, a prisoner, and a deputy of the Yekaterinburg City Duma;

                Alexander Murzikov and Denis Pertsev, Ekaterinburg. Acting on the orders of the patient, they searched for drug dealers. A young girl was appointed a drug dealer who was raped by Roizman’s friends under the threat of throwing drugs, and then also put in a pre-trial detention center for a year, demanding that she pick up the application. But in the end, justice prevailed, and Sasha and Deniska sat down. This, incidentally, is the only case of the known when Roizman did try to harness himself as a comrade, trying to put pressure on the prosecutor. It cannot be ruled out that the reason for Roizman's feelings for the fate of his comrades-in-arms was albeit distant, but the similarity of the articles on which they were put;

                Egor Bychkov, Nizhny Tagil. 21 years old. In this, your LJ is known as the Livejournal user icon.pngegor-bychkov. President of the Nizhny Tagil Foundation "City Without Drugs". Bychkova was tried and eventually locked up on a 3,5 jail for kidnapping. Under the pressure of the public and personally of President Anatolyevich, the sentence was replaced with a suspended sentence. From reliable sources it is known that Roizman promised to help his friend and comrade-in-arms Bychkov, about whom he wrote a lot and well in his cozy blazhik. Roizman helps: he says, Bychkov is to blame;

                Alexander Shumilov, Angarsk, Irkutsk region. 31 year. In LJ it is known as Livejournal user icon.pngashumilov. Assistant to the deputy Roizman, head of the Angara branch of the GBN. He was repeatedly noticed while talking with representatives of the local organized crime group (by coincidence, the city controlling the drug market was more than half).
                Repeatedly ran for the city duma, but without much success.
          2. Hon
            Hon 25 September 2013 12: 39 New
            +2
            By the way, I have nothing against the Jews. But just when a Jew throws ridges and yells that he is a US patriot, it suggests thoughts of his dishonesty))
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 49 New
              -2
              Zigi yes) But Stalin also said that the Russian patriot)))
              1. Hon
                Hon 25 September 2013 13: 07 New
                +2
                All the same, Stalin had in mind the Soviet, and he was not a nationalist.
            2. abdrah
              abdrah 25 September 2013 13: 07 New
              0
              This is what he is waiting for, the Jews it was they who invented the name for themselves, for some reason in all Slavic and European languages ​​they called ZHID, which is translated from them into Russian as 3 letters (x ..), therefore they are offended when you say so.
          3. V. A.
            V. A. 25 September 2013 12: 54 New
            +2
            Rassey elections are not games, but a fierce struggle. Therefore, Roizman did not win, but won. Do not get so clinging to words, just imagine what it was like for him to fight with all these fat-faced Karaulovs, etc. Roizman - well done !!!
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 08 New
              0
              He scored like 43%, but judging by how he winds up EdRo’s votes and pours mud, he still doesn’t give air, from morning till night he shows his unconditional victory)
            2. IRBIS
              IRBIS 25 September 2013 13: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: V.A.
              Roizman - well done !!!

              Do not make yourself an idol ... Wait in your hands for clapping, as if later you would not have to clap your ears on the cheeks. Or do you think that the felon in the mayor’s chair will frantically bake about the people? Well, well ... Freshly giving ...
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 00 New
                0
                In any case, change the new felon to the old one) It won’t be worse)
                1. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 25 September 2013 14: 05 New
                  +3
                  Quote: New Russia
                  In any case, change the new felon to the old one) It won’t be worse)

                  You are a kind soul man, a girl with a "terrible" (Article 282) name. You are a plus for optimism, but believe me, it won't be better either.
          4. Orik
            Orik 25 September 2013 13: 34 New
            +1
            Do not trust the "Danians".
      2. Orik
        Orik 25 September 2013 17: 55 New
        0
        Similar to demushkin, a torus, 99,9% white intelligence agents, all who really interfere with the authorities are sitting on a crossbow and three rusty shells, like Kvachkov.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 21: 12 New
          0
          There are also Kalashnikov and Yekishev ...
  • Garik_31RU
    Garik_31RU 25 September 2013 11: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Valery Neon
    Hmm, Taburetkin is a monument to the powerlessness of corruption against corruption ... request
    Can’t we wait, but ...:

    The list is not complete ...
  • major071
    major071 25 September 2013 11: 46 New
    +9
    If they wanted to put them in, they would have planted them. And the evidence would be found and the testimony changed. But the commands "fas!" did not sound, but gave the command "Fu!" Money, money everywhere, everything depends on a lot of money.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 25 September 2013 11: 46 New
    +6
    Calm down, brethren, on election day everyone will rush to vote for a united Russia, and the gdp. There is nothing surprising.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 52 New
      0
      Who is everyone?) They have a rating of 25% for all polls and in the regions they wind up 50. Yes, and turnout is everywhere, one-third no one even goes to the polls
  • Michael_59
    Michael_59 25 September 2013 11: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    Hmm, stools are a monument to powerlessness


    Rather, a reminder of the unity of power and corruption ...
  • albanech
    albanech 25 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +1
    Not surprising! You look at his fucking! This can not be called a person! Corruption rolls over!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +6
    The case is not yet closed .. digging hard for men.! I feel the smell of treason here (and not just theft)
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 11: 56 New
      0
      Of course, only this case of Oboronservis and not Serdyukov is not closed) A maximum of Vasiliev will cost a couple of years without boutiques
      1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy 25 September 2013 12: 57 New
        +2
        "New Russia", since you are Russia, albeit new, call yourself a normal Russian name. If you are a ruddy guy, you will be our named brother, if you are a red maiden, you will be our kind sister. You must know not only your enemies, but also your allies by sight or at least by name. And what is written in your full name (sorry for "you", but in Russia even tsars were addressed with "you") ...
        I see Putin is not particularly fond of you. He is not my idol either, and in the elections I vote against him and against United Russia. But he does not intend to discuss the internal affairs of Russia, as well as the USA (UCSA - "ass_opa" in Buryat) with an opponent from Kentucky or Oidaho.
        I hope you won’t be offended by my remark.
        As for Serdyukov and K and the attitude to Putin’s reaction on this issue, we wrote here in the comments to other articles there is already a lot to climb into this slurry again, anyway that’s barefoot in - AGAINST !!!
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 11 New
          +2
          I live in Adygea in the village) And the real name is scary to say after the news about the landing on 282 for comments on the Internet, I'm a red girl)
    2. Michael_59
      Michael_59 26 September 2013 19: 03 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I smell like treason here


      I'm afraid that the Kremlin itself might smell like this "in such a situation."
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 25 September 2013 11: 59 New
    +3
    Like this. Because of the arrogant arrivals of investigators of the IC, such an effective manager as Serdyukov for almost a year was not a destiny. An negligent team of investigators - they felled to Siberia, let them work out the damage.
  • parazit
    parazit 25 September 2013 12: 00 New
    +6
    so it was immediately clear ... Stouretkin was simply "punished" for his walking around the women and that's it ... and the country ... but figs with her with the country, the main thing is babos.
  • Alew
    Alew 25 September 2013 12: 02 New
    +3
    He looked at Serdyukov and it became clearer expression- erysipelas asks for a brick good
  • revers-trotil
    revers-trotil 25 September 2013 12: 04 New
    +5
    I have the feeling that I never got a slap in the face. And I can’t give change ...
  • pahom54
    pahom54 25 September 2013 12: 07 New
    10
    Shame!!! Shame on GDP, shame on the government, the investigation, the prosecutor's office and the legal proceedings !!! The whole country got in the face from the "rulers" !. Spit, and if I used to be loyal to GDP, then after such cases ... After all, I could only tell the face, and everything would be different ... Ugh !!!
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 28 New
      +5
      He already spat on the people many times, and when he gave the hero to Kadyrov and when he signed the WTO and many more when. It’s time to finally open your eyes and stop waiting for something from him, if he wanted to have fired his liberal thief government long ago
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 25 September 2013 13: 53 New
        +8
        Right thoughts hi
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 25 September 2013 12: 07 New
    +9
    Now on some channel there is a film "White Arrow", it is a pity that there is no such patriotic organization in the life of modern Russia, it is a pity that there is no one to defend the interests of ordinary people. Someone will say that this is illegal, but what is legal in Russia? to steal, to imprison the innocent, and to make the guilty ministers. The law should work for the people, for the state, and not for bandits, traitors and thieves.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 25 September 2013 13: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Now on some channel the film "White Arrow" is being shown, it is a pity that there is no such patriotic organization in the life of modern Russia, it is a pity that there is no one to defend the interests of ordinary people,

      If you watched this film carefully, you should remember the main idea: "White Arrow", as it turned out in the end, "worked" for the same criminals, only of higher rank. And the scale of "interests" is much larger. This is such a "patriotic" organization.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 25 September 2013 14: 27 New
        +1
        I don’t at all suggest creating a copy of the arrow from the film, you didn’t quite understand me correctly. The bottom line is that at least someone should oppose a rotten system.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 25 September 2013 12: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: vladsolo56
    and if I used to be loyal to GDP, then after such things ...

    It is written: "You will learn them by business ..."
    One thing is not clear, why was it necessary to start these very other things? Will they laugh at ordinary people?
    “Now it is not clear how to further arrange the main episode imputed to Yelkin - with the maintenance of the complex of buildings of the Ministry of Defense in Kolymazhny Lane. After checking the acceptance certificates and tender documentation, it turned out that not only was no damage done to the military, but they still owe 20 million rubles, "a source close to the investigation told the newspaper."
    Some kind of nonsense ... request
    Does the "source" really have no idea that it is not the tender documentation that should be checked against the acts of work performed, but their actual volume and quality?
    Then immediately there is something to incriminate ...
    And investigators and judges are recognized as elites, and a humiliating retirement coefficient of 0.54 does not apply to them! laughing
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 25 September 2013 13: 34 New
      +1
      This is an internal showdown of some clans that we don’t quite understand. So the mayor of Makhachkala just stole big and killed ordinary citizens, then he arranged everything for the Kremlin, and as soon as he got into connection with the militants (and through them respectively the Saudis) and began to kill high-ranking officials, only then he was arrested.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 25 September 2013 15: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Alekseev
      And investigators and judges are recognized as elites, and a humiliating retirement coefficient of 0.54 does not apply to them! laughing
  • aud13
    aud13 25 September 2013 12: 38 New
    +5
    Nothing to cling to
  • Alex66
    Alex66 25 September 2013 12: 38 New
    +1
    the military not only was not damaged, but they also remained owed 20 million rubles
    I liked this phrase, they need to give the medal and the posts to be restored, now Golikova will count (for this purpose she was appointed), determine what profit they brought the MO so they will also pay the bonus and will be restored to their posts. But Shoigu will be left without a portfolio.
    This is where Putin’s double standards are taught by the West, but he can’t restore order at home, under the CPSU he would have long since flown from office for divorce. Sorry pent.
  • major071
    major071 25 September 2013 12: 40 New
    +9
    New Russia Today, 11: 13

    Serdyukov will never sit down.
    Eccentric man! Who will plant him, he is a monument ...
  • New Russia
    New Russia 25 September 2013 12: 42 New
    +1
    By the way) http://lenta.ru/news/2013/09/25/sovet1/ The State Department is to blame for what is happening with the RAS or ...?
  • kotvov
    kotvov 25 September 2013 12: 44 New
    +2
    but did anyone doubt that the matter would be let go on the brakes. The present government of their own, well, never will surrender. They are all tied, from top to bottom.
    1. Vasia kruger
      Vasia kruger 25 September 2013 13: 11 New
      0
      Then the question arises ... why then did they even initiate a case? I do not believe that he was simply taken and excited, you can see the place indicated to the stool. Or it’s just that Vasiliev is not happy with someone, so they decided to scare her.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 25 September 2013 12: 51 New
    +6
    Café, café, what cofee? You have no methods against Kostya Saprykin.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 25 September 2013 13: 14 New
    0
    The fish goes out of my head ........
  • RUSS
    RUSS 25 September 2013 13: 17 New
    +1
    One such case negates everything, so to speak, the "merits" of Putin and K.
    It seems to me that the authorities still, excuse me, are holding us for suckers.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 25 New
      +4
      Merits are the WTO, the influx of migrants, corruption, the collapse of education ... Everything else "affordable crooks" and "doubling the GDP" is just a myth, Oil prices were growing, that's all, the economy was not modernized with this money
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 25 September 2013 15: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      One such case negates everything, so to speak, the "merits" of Putin and K.

      Do not enlighten - what kind of merit? laughing
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 September 2013 13: 17 New
    +5
    Here the hell pancake!
    In principle - everything was as expected, but the hope somehow still somewhere somewhere ... Although it seems to be not a boy, but sometimes I want to believe in good ...
    All these Serdyukovs will continue to live as they did, and laugh at us. Someone wise said that the people have the kind of government they deserve. What do we deserve if people for whom the article "treason to the Motherland" is crying cannot be condemned by the obEP line?
    Long time ago I didn’t feel so spat upon.
  • major071
    major071 25 September 2013 13: 27 New
    +6
    RUSS Today, 13: 14 

    The fish goes out of my head ........

    But they clean it from the tail ...
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 25 September 2013 13: 29 New
    0
    Putin lives by the rule: "Do not bear fruit who are not satisfied with your power." It seems to us that Putin is such a tyrant with absolute power, but in fact the king is made by his entourage. If he starts to punish this entourage, then Putin will be replaced as soon as possible, there are plenty of ways to do this.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 25 September 2013 13: 57 New
      +6
      Well of course, the king is a good bad boyars. Only his biography, the cooperative Lake and more suggests otherwise. And if you were right, then Putin is a weak, worthless ruler who is unable to change anything. Only you are wrong because Putin himself dragged all his thieves bastards from St. Petersburg and from the Lake
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 25 September 2013 23: 17 New
        -2
        As much as I look, I’m so sure that you don’t know the story. A ruler may be any giant, but the courtiers are always stronger. For example, Caesar was killed, Catherine II masterfully maneuvered between the courtiers ...
  • Djozz
    Djozz 25 September 2013 13: 48 New
    +3
    It does not remind you of anything! The pre-revolutionary period of Russia, embezzlement, Rasputin, the extortion of the Romanov family (the same untouchables), the State Duma verbiage and ministerial leapfrog and further on the list.
    1. Hon
      Hon 25 September 2013 13: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Djozz
      It does not remind you of anything! The pre-revolutionary period of Russia, embezzlement, Rasputin, the extortion of the Romanov family (the same untouchables), the State Duma verbiage and ministerial leapfrog and further on the list.

      It was always a pre-revolutionary period characterized primarily by terrorist acts of fanatical revolutionaries. Fortunately, there is no such thing, there are terrorist attacks, but it’s different, the Islamists are happy with it, and they have different goals.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 25 September 2013 14: 09 New
        +1
        Let me disagree, the pre-revolutionary period was primarily characterized by stagnation of the economy, the decay of the top power, the impoverishment of the people, with the "gluttony" of the elite, venality of the judiciary and executive power! As for the terrorist attacks, they started with the murder of Alexander II, long before the revolution.
  • Gur
    Gur 25 September 2013 13: 49 New
    +1
    Guys, I’m in a trance and the money on the nightstands shoved in bags turned out to be a grandmother’s pension, but I also think if it weren’t going to finish the matter, then we didn’t start and we’ll see if this is false information, time will tell, and so shock of course I thought the heart wouldn’t be sent, but yes it turned out all worse pancake
  • andr1966a
    andr1966a 25 September 2013 13: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: bask
    In dowry mode, Serdyukov, chubsy and other saw cutters, not touchable

    We have effective managers, and in China they shoot such people. I really respect STALIN.
  • WIN969
    WIN969 25 September 2013 13: 56 New
    +1
    After reconciling the acceptance certificates and the tender documentation, it turned out that the military not only was not damaged, but they still owed 20 million rubles. ”

    What nonsense is this? All these documents are fake, and the judge is bought.
  • Mihaylo Tishayshiy
    Mihaylo Tishayshiy 25 September 2013 14: 03 New
    +1
    Brothers, why did you instruct the article so many minuses? Is there something wrong in it? Or did you expect something else from the government? I just want to repeat myself:

    Mihaylo Tishayshiy RU  February 5, 2013 17:14 | Russia has two paths: either authoritarianism or “neo-Stalinism”


    The last two days on our website so many copies have already been broken about Putin, and Serdyukov is such an odious figure that it is precisely whether he will be jailed or not, and will be the answer to the people, while Putin himself is with those who are "with Putin" or threw them ... I myself am not naive and will not be surprised at any outcome of the case. If Serdyukov gets what he deserves, then Mikhail Khazin and those members of the forum who support Putin are right. Well, if Putin puts the brakes on this case, then the plague will be on his head !!!
    1. Gur
      Gur 25 September 2013 14: 15 New
      0
      Article minus for bad news and I completely agree with you
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 25 September 2013 15: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
      If Serdyukov gets what he deserves, then Mikhail Khazin and those forum users who are in favor of Putin are right. Well, if Putin puts the matter on the brakes, then, the plague on his head !!!

      Yes - this is not naivety, it is rather primitivism of conclusions, when the conclusion is made on the basis of one fact taken out of context.
  • OCD
    OCD 25 September 2013 14: 05 New
    0
    Yes, such investigators and such operational support.
    1. DPN
      DPN 25 September 2013 16: 56 New
      0
      It’s not the investigators who are to blame, just above *** you won’t jump or not the face team.
  • Gur
    Gur 25 September 2013 14: 07 New
    -4
    MOSCOW, September 24 - RIA Novosti. The case of embezzlement in Oboronservis may lose a number of episodes involving the ex-head of the department of property of the department Evgenia Vasilyeva, the former general director of Slavyanka Alexander Yelkin and ex-head of Agroprom Natalia Dynkova, Izvestia newspaper writes on Tuesday, citing sources close to the investigation. Meanwhile, the press service of the GVSU told the publication that "the investigation continues in full and all the initiated cases will be brought to a logical conclusion.

    20,09,13 A Moscow court extended the house arrest of Evgenia Vasilyeva, a defendant in the Oboronservis case, for another two months, until November 23.

    So I checked my head early with ashes for a number of reputable sources.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 25 September 2013 14: 34 New
      +6


      Greetings to all, including our Esaul. hi This is who whom he lacks, here is the topic where he could "unsubscribe from the heart" given his writing style, who is who, but he has talent. But alas, he cannot write on these topics simply because it is not profitable, which is a pity. Anyway. could count on my unconditional support.
      Now, regarding the topic of information. I take video and demotivators to your court. To write something does not make sense. The materials I have given speak for themselves.


      1. Gari
        Gari 25 September 2013 14: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        Greetings to all, including our Esaul.

        And I welcome you, I read your comments in articles about your tanks and other military innovations, I did not write there, you think you will understand why.
        I welcome your objective position, our national leaders and oligarchs are ruining our countries, all without exception of the former USSR.
        And that such geeks as this stool were at the feeding trough, and still there is no forest fells or not at all against the wall, there are such everywhere and everywhere, like mold
        Good luck to all comrades
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 September 2013 14: 26 New
    -7
    Bullshit war..Main maneuvers! ..serdyukovs and K...unsuccessfully not just to take .. (or rather, it’s possible for a trifle ..) untwist this snake ball .. Time is needed ..
    1. Hon
      Hon 25 September 2013 14: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Bullshit war..Main maneuvers! ..serdyukovs and K...unsuccessfully not just to take .. (or rather, it’s possible for a trifle ..) untwist this snake ball .. Time is needed ..

      Do you yourself believe in what you write?))) This is such a cunning plan of Putin, vigilance euthanizes a pier))) In the meantime, he is seating them in high positions, so that no one would guess ...
    2. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 25 September 2013 23: 57 New
      +2
      With me a bottle of brandy if they plant. You can catch by the tongue ...
  • New Russia
    New Russia 25 September 2013 14: 26 New
    0
    Sorry off topic, need help! July 21 last year in the city of Kislovodsk (Stavropol) there was a mass brawl between the Cossacks and the local ethnic Caucasian gang. Five Cossacks of the local Cossack community stood up for a merchant who was robbed by Caucasians, as a result of which a fight broke out, Caucasians called for help, more than 15 people came from them, as it turned out later, local criminal investigators arrived along with Caucasians. Given the numerical advantage of the attacking Caucasians, the Cossacks used a traumatic gun, shooting in the air and a knife, the knife was used by Vasily Mokhov, they cut two Caucasians attacking him in a fight. Vasily Mokhov, taking into account the consequences of self-defense in our country, has been hiding for more than a year. This case caused a wide public outcry, I must say that after the publication of the fight (http://oxana-volva.livejournal.com/27832.html), the author began to receive threats of reprisal against me from people of Caucasian nationality. I urge all those who care to chip in a lawyer, as well as help the Vasily’s family, on a Sberbank card indicated by members of the Cossack community in circulation on the websitehttp: // Kislovodsk-Cossack-community. Russian Federation 4276860024686046 Ataman number 8-928-828- 13-75 Sergey Nesheret
    WebMoney R111293358694
    I also urge all Cossack communities, whether registered or unregistered, to demand the release of Vasily, since he acted like a real Cossack — he, without fear, defended himself and his own from attacking bandits. Also, in the case of conviction, it is necessary to seek his transfer to more favorable regions of Russia, since he will not be alive in the Caucasus.