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Analytical program of Mikhail Leontiev "However" 24 September 2013

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It seems that the Ukrainian authorities have decided on their orientation. Orienting towards the "European" choice, i.e. the signing of an association agreement with the European Union.

"As you know, all this talk about deciding" either there or here "has nothing at all except, say, some wrong ideological prerequisites," said Prime Minister Mykola Azarov.

From the film a "Station for two":
“Did you choose the bridegroom?”
- Oh, I have not decided yet
- How so?
- Hello!
- Hello!
- How how? I have two suitors today, two suitors. Yes, Petka and Mitka ... Imagine Ver, two weddings and both on Thursday!

This luscious multi-vector formula hides poorly the fact that there is no economy in this choice. The economic advantages of Ukraine joining our Customs Union are obvious, indisputable. Including, by the way, and the solution of the Ukrainian Hamlet problem - gas prices.
Association - note that there can be no introduction! - with the European Union - a pass to the hallway - means opening up a market with the extermination of entire branches of Ukrainian industry, as well as a political ultimatum: including a rejection of any form of integration with Russia. This is a simple receipt of the loyalty of the Ukrainian elites to the West, that is, to those who hold their paw on the capital they have stolen. And - everything.
As Sergey Glazyev, an adviser to the president of Russia, noted, “if Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU and the balance of payments worsens as a result, the question arises who will pay for the default of Ukraine, which becomes inevitable”?

“It would be nice if the Prime Minister would say publicly:“ Yes, everything, of course, will collapse, collapse. ”But I can upset these Russian experts a little: nothing will collapse, not collapse,” said Prime Minister Mykola Azarov .

Well, of course! Blessed is he who believes! In fact, the Ukrainian economy has no margin of safety. And Russia warned that it would certainly take protective measures against the inevitable flow of Ukrainian products being forced out of the Ukrainian market. Do you want to go to the Customs Union - that is, you want real customs? And not such as now - make-believe? There will be customs.

Even an easy rehearsal, in August, I recall, produced a shock. You can imagine what the reaction will be to full-fledged protective measures. Therefore, now the Ukrainian authorities are preparing, inflating the real anti-Russian hysteria.

“Unfortunately, there has recently been a dramatic change in the political course of the country. To my great regret, almost the enemy of Ukraine, who is stifling the free will of the Ukrainian people, has begun to be done. Everyone who has remained faithful to his convictions is being tested and they are almost accused of high treason, "said the deputy from Odessa, Igor Markov.

Igor Markov, the majoritarian deputy from Odessa, is only deprived of his mandate, annulling the elections, to which there have been no complaints for two years. The task is to intimidate our own faction of the Regions, who came to power only under the promises of the closest relations with Russia. At the same time, Ukrainian politicians are not to blame for treason. All the same, that accuse a professional in treason.
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  1. lelikas
    lelikas 25 September 2013 09: 51 New
    +8
    Cool picked up the video.
    1. Canep
      Canep 25 September 2013 10: 09 New
      12
      It's bad that my video does not show. In the evening I’ll look at home.
      Russia is trying to blackmail Ukraine itself, which everyone does not give a damn about, and it was necessary to blackmail its elite, as Western politicians did, such as: “If you join the CU, your money was crying on our accounts,” Cyprus is an example of what Brussels will do with money of Ukrainian oligarchs, in case of entry into the vehicle. In general, Ukraine was not lucky to be between two fires. I think things are like this.
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 25 September 2013 10: 42 New
        +3
        Ukrainian rake ...
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 10: 53 New
          39
          Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan is one country artificially divided into parts. And to say that something there is a private matter of Ukraine-is to lie to yourself.

          Was it when the Germans occupied Ukraine that it was necessary to say that this was a private affair of Ukraine? Would that be right? So it is now.

          We suffered a crushing defeat in the Cold War. The enemy managed to bring his agents to power in our country. The enemy managed to fill the state structures, all the main social structures with their agents. The enemy managed to capture, occupy our vast territories. Including Ukraine.

          But the main thing is that the enemy managed to convince a huge part of the people, I would even say - MOST that Ukraine is a separate, different, state, that this is not ours, not your land, and we, you Russians, have nothing to do with it, that it has already happened and therefore it should remain so.

          Who agrees to accept this? Who agrees to believe the enemy that yours, our defeat is already final and irrevocable?
          1. v.lyamkin
            v.lyamkin 25 September 2013 11: 08 New
            14
            Yes, you're right, definitely. But how to get out of this situation? Most likely, until it gets really bad, real integration will not begin. And most likely she will again go through the blood.
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 11: 24 New
              10
              Thank you for your understanding.

              Most likely, until it becomes completely bad, real integration will not begin ...

              I cannot wish my land, my people bad, but you seem to be right. Already living in Ukraine is very difficult. There is no work, unemployment is growing, the remaining crumbs of production continue to be curtailed. But it probably should get worse.

              I would like to believe that if Russia did not surrender Syria, then Ukraine will not surrender even more so. That condoning Ukraine’s signing an association with the EU is Russia's delicate, calculated move.
              1. ziqzaq
                ziqzaq 25 September 2013 11: 57 New
                +9
                Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                I would like to believe that if Russia did not surrender Syria, then Ukraine will not surrender even more so

                This is unequivocal, and the times ahead are difficult, apparently ...
                We lived in paradise (USSR), now again we have to fight for our country ....
              2. smile
                smile 25 September 2013 12: 31 New
                +8
                Ivan_Ivanov
                Sorry, but these are two big differences — the Syrian leadership turned to us for help — we did not turn them in. Your leadership is trying to disown us .. how not to surrender Ukraine, if the country's leadership elected by the Ukrainians is ready to put their country in cancer, just to distance themselves from us? What tanks to enter? So you’ll be the first to shout about the Russian invaders .... we cannot do something contrary to the leadership of Ukraine and the will of the Ukrainian people ... where is the will of the Ukrainians? Personally, I don’t hear .... so that we don’t just surrender to those who don’t want it, but don’t get into places where they don’t expect us ...
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 12: 38 New
                  +3
                  The Syrian leadership turned to us for help, we did not surrender them. Your leadership is trying to disown us.

                  Is this justification for the surrender of native Russian lands to the West?

                  where is the will of the Ukrainians? Personally, I can’t hear ...

                  What is the point of talking to you and me if you don’t hear me, if you don’t hear dozens of website visitors from Ukraine?
                  1. Mikhail3
                    Mikhail3 25 September 2013 13: 45 New
                    +3
                    We perfectly hear how you demand to do everything for you every day. And so that you like it. I am not a poet, but I will say in poems ...
                    1. Ivan_Ivanov
                      Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 13: 51 New
                      +3
                      One claims to not hear the will of the Ukrainians; another that hears.
                      You guys are already determined among themselves ...

                      When my grandfather fought near Leningrad, he did not say that you demand to do everything for you. No one spoke. So won.
                      The enemy was common and we were together. And now the enemy is common, only some do not want to be together.

                      I understand that some lack the mind to understand how the pro-Western propaganda aroused in them a feeling of resentment against the Ukrainians, how they convinced that the Ukrainians are crying a lot and want something from them ... But is this an excuse to surrender native Russian lands and part of their people to the West?
                      1. smile
                        smile 25 September 2013 15: 04 New
                        +4
                        Ivan_Ivanov
                        Do not distort, I said that I do not hear the indignant voice of the Ukrainian people. Nobody propaganda provoked anything, you fight and convict those who are normal towards Ukrainians ... what is this pathetic about? Well. my grandfather was a Ukrainian, my relatives in Fastov and Lubny live, with what fright should I relate to Ukrainians? Maybe stop scattering comments with accusations and it's time to propose something specific, huh?
                  2. smile
                    smile 25 September 2013 14: 59 New
                    +3
                    Ivan_Ivanov
                    In fact of the matter. that I hear dozens of visitors from Ukraine. who are terribly outraged by the fact that we allegedly meddle in Ukrainian affairs, by that. that we consider you to be one people with us. And at the same time I remind you that Ukraine is a separate state, and there the people vote, for some reason, for power, which somehow does not treat us very well. And I also know, even with the example of Ukrainian website visitors — if we crawl into your internal affairs, you all will yell together that you are independent and we are aggressors ... you say beautiful phrases, but let's be a little more specific, how can we not to give truly original Russian lands to the West, if these lands are under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian state .... by the way, I hear you, but you don’t ... you’d just be indignant, Russia is again to blame, Russia has surrendered .... do you all have that habit, to blame Russia for everything, both for what you did and for what you didn't?
                    But I do not hear the indignation of the masses. I do not hear scandals in the Rada .. everything is quiet and calm ....
                    If you do not want to communicate with me, for God's sake, I hope. Do not think that I will run after you. crying begging for a supportive look ... the thing is different, you think carefully before. than blame us, and offer something real ... at the same time. learn to listen for yourself, and people who are positive towards you and your ideas ... you need to talk. not to reprove.
                    1. Ivan_Ivanov
                      Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 15: 05 New
                      -1
                      But I do not hear the indignation of the masses. I do not hear scandals in the Rada .. everything is quiet and calm ....

                      In a prison with skillful administration, too, everything is quiet and calm ...
                      1. Moon
                        Moon 25 September 2013 23: 11 New
                        +2
                        Ivan_Ivanov
                        In a prison with skillful administration, too, everything is quiet and calm ..


                        Yes, only the prison was not drawn immediately in 1991.
                        You were silent when you began to Ukrainize.
                        You were silent when you began to slowly water Russia.
                        You were silent 080808.
                        You were silent when the first statements about the European goal came.
                        Woke up ..... but no one gives you a word to say. Over the years, silence has decided that you do not need it.

                        But the Galicians have never been silent, and therefore Yanukovych hears them. But you can be "thrown" and in 2015 you will again vote for him for "lesser evil."
                      2. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 26 September 2013 19: 06 New
                        0
                        Your accusations are the result of liberal propaganda. You have been told a lie and you are repeating it here. Without noticing, you are already working for those who have torn Little Russia from Russia, Little Russia and Russian Little Russia from Russia.

                        The main goal of the lies inspired by you is to quarrel Russian Ukrainians and Russian Russians.

                        Galicians are not silent? Well yes. The West organized them, trained Galician screamers and local organizers, bought government officials, heads and functionaries of law enforcement agencies for them.

                        We here, in Ukraine, are fighting not with the Galicians, but with America and the United Europe. And do not give up. And you gave up, because you believed the propaganda of the enemy: "You were silent" ... Yeah ...
            2. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 25 September 2013 13: 42 New
              +3
              Syria has people who are fighting for it. There is someone to support.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 September 2013 14: 53 New
                -3
                Quote: Mikhail3
                Syria has people who are fighting for it. There is someone to support.

                In Syria, we support the power. And if in Ukraine people take weapons and go to fight for the Truth, guess what they will be called? That's right, terrorists, and manual media will help create a negative image. And our leadership will help the Ukrainian authorities with beautiful words about fraternal duty!
            3. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 25 September 2013 15: 05 New
              +5
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              I would like to believe that if Russia did not surrender Syria, then Ukraine will not surrender even more so. That condoning Ukraine’s signing an association with the EU is Russia's delicate, calculated move.


              This is a big question - who and how surrenders or surrenders ...

              But the Syrian events undoubtedly influenced the view of the EU in relation to Russia, and GDP in particular. Many sensible politicians were surprised to find that Russia does not have any special political claims to Ukraine. At Valdai, the GDP commented on this point so popularly that only narrow-minded people did not change their minds because of their own stupidity, and the current Ukrainian political elite can be considered the latter.
            4. michajlo
              michajlo 25 September 2013 15: 31 New
              +1
              Ivan_Ivanov UA Today, 11:24 _130925 / wed

              Good afternoon, dear Ivan!

              So you and many here understand where the "Ukrainian dog is buried", but among the people many know this.

              But who speaks about this in a voice?

              In my native Transcarpathia, it’s as if few people are talking about this, and then looking around at the same time ...
              All the same, working men are earning money; the rest are attached, who succeeds where.

              And the authorities of all levels, are still confident "that they certainly will not happen!"? Like Police, SBU and the military will protect ??? fool
            5. evgeny1td
              evgeny1td 26 September 2013 09: 21 New
              +1
              quite right
              Peter - Karl 12 history repeats itself
              Mazepa not long left
        2. AVV
          AVV 25 September 2013 14: 11 New
          +2
          The people of Ukraine need to say their weighty word before everything is still destroyed! And throw out from the Rada all corrupt politicians who got there promising the people to strengthen ties with Russia !!!
        3. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 25 September 2013 15: 27 New
          +2
          Ivan speak for yourself, no one at the household level has separated Ukraine from RUSSIA! And yet, we did not lose the war, the battle, yes! And they allowed the 5th column to power, the Jewish Zionla! But I think this is all fixable! Drive the corrupt from the Duma, disperse the government through the courts! But this time is necessary!
      2. Orchestrarant
        Orchestrarant 25 September 2013 11: 16 New
        -1
        They are in a helmet and with a shell! laughing
    2. elmir15
      elmir15 25 September 2013 10: 55 New
      +8
      It is useless to convince Ukraine to join the TS, they see a trick in everything, the hand of Moscow. It probably seems that it will be better to live with the West. This is how the West "bought" the USSR in jeans, sneakers, cola and other beautiful wraps at one time, and the insight came later - that not all the gold that glitters, our products are many times better, more environmentally friendly, just a wrapper more modest. Let them live in new conditions with all the consequences of pluses and minuses both from the west and from our side. Now, if it gets worse in the EU, they’ll return to the CU with experience where it’s better and where it’s worse. It will be a pity to lose time, possibly destroyed industry from membership in the EU association and ordinary people who are not guilty of anything.
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 25 September 2013 11: 09 New
      +2
      Canep, you are wrong! Just our authorities are pushing to the top, since they and only they own all industry and capital! What difference does Granny Frosi whether the sweets of a factory belonging to the Ukrainian aligarch go to Russia to give a damn about it, since it is neither cold nor hot! The EU has more levers of Ukrainian power, since the money of Firtash, Akhmetov and others is stored there! Unfortunately, they don’t keep the money with us, so we cannot take it (freeze) it!
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 25 September 2013 15: 42 New
        +1
        neri73-g When will your Firtashi, Akhmetovs begin to close factories where Granny Frosia earns money for bread !? The whole economy will collapse! Ukraine needs the EU as an enemy of RUSSIA, and as a territory for the sale of goods, but where will you take the money for the goods?
    4. smile
      smile 25 September 2013 12: 24 New
      +6
      Canep
      Sorry, but in my opinion, the term "blackmail" is not appropriate here. We are not blackmailing anyone, we are explaining. that we will be forced to respond to unfriendly policies by protecting our own interests ... it's more likely that Yanukovych’s actions are more like blackmailing a stupid self-serving girl — you won’t buy me a fur coat, I’ll go to another one, won’t give me a box of ponies ... :)))) -Well, flatter on sweets, and live with EuroVaska, we’ll divorce ... :))) and EuroVask, having given the unreasonable brawler the candy, wrap it to the thread and send it to the panel ... so that it’s not blackmail, it’s not blackmail .. .
    5. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 25 September 2013 13: 09 New
      +2
      in general, it’s true, after a kick in the ass, the team wants to have a backup airfield, one thing they don’t understand is cunning, such as them, the West is losing a dozen times.
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 25 September 2013 22: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      Russia is trying to blackmail Ukraine itself, which everyone does not give a damn about, but


      Russia is not blackmailing anyone in principle. This is not our method. Let us take a sober look - the Ukrainian people are brotherly to us, and therefore it is not indifferent. But the country ... that’s the trouble with Ukraine. The country behaves, quite rightly, as a professional, so let it go to those who pay it. It will end up joining the TS voluntarily and unconditionally, for bread and water.
      1. evgeny1td
        evgeny1td 26 September 2013 10: 02 New
        0
        man said divinely
  2. kapustinmax
    kapustinmax 25 September 2013 10: 38 New
    +2
    I agree !!! A sense of humor is on top !!!!
  • Krsk
    Krsk 25 September 2013 09: 52 New
    14
    Ukrainians are sorry for the simple ...
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 25 September 2013 09: 56 New
      +4
      You got ahead of me, power will be fattening, but not a simple layman feeding.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 25 September 2013 10: 30 New
        23
        The Ukrainian government and the people of Ukraine are two big differences.
        The people of Ukraine from the west and east somehow communicate among themselves normally. in spite of hysterical cries of rogues and scumbags from the coalition and opposition, who have crept into big politics, i.e. "like-minded selfish interests."
        Separate the flies of power from the cutlets of the people can only dichlorvos. Drive is useless. Insolent to lawlessness.
      2. Veter
        Veter 25 September 2013 10: 37 New
        +7
        Quote: Edward72
        but not a simple layman nursing

        Where are the dissenters? Where are the maidans? So everything suits.
        1. DEMENTIY
          DEMENTIY 25 September 2013 11: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Veter
          Quote: Edward72
          but not a simple layman nursing

          Where are the dissenters? Where are the maidans? So everything suits.


          What Maidan! While salaries, pensions are paid, until we starve any Maidan. Customs, political, any other blockade had to be launched earlier, and not fuss! Now it’s too late - get a sheep’s mongrel under your belly, and we will scoop up all the other charms. And it all ends in blood. Not small - I see no other perspective.
          1. Veter
            Veter 25 September 2013 11: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: DEMENTIY
            What Maidan! While salaries, pensions are paid, until we starve any Maidan.

            Before Yushchenko came to power, were there no pensions or salaries? Starving?
          2. oaziss
            oaziss 25 September 2013 12: 22 New
            0
            Quote: DEMENTIY
            And it all ends in blood. Not small - I see no other perspective.

            Why are you so sure what are the prerequisites for this?
            1. DEMENTIY
              DEMENTIY 25 September 2013 13: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: oaziss
              Quote: DEMENTIY
              And it all ends in blood. Not small - I see no other perspective.

              Why are you so sure what are the prerequisites for this?


              Why aren't they? Or do you think that flirting with the Islamists and fascists does not create them? I’m not a missionary, I don’t go anywhere with my ideology, but the missions will come to me, but, I’m not a flexible person, my back is sore - it’s hard for me to bow. So the premise came out.
        2. Lapotnik
          Lapotnik 25 September 2013 14: 43 New
          0
          And where are the speeches in Russia about education, medicine, pension reform, Red, Bear, Skolkovo and damn hesitate to list ... ???

          While the Russians didn’t begin to cut and shoot, the rallies were not noticeable either, and then the Tolerasts had enough peacefully to settle everything.

          Only for the strong respect and the desire to be together, and when people see that the nits are at home, that others have the same in power - why should they rock the boat? Moreover, most of us need an example, but with examples we have tight. Absolutely.

          We’ll also kiss a serdyuka in the ass and give him a hero for strengthening the country's defense. And who the hell to go after this? to the "lousy big brother" who can’t put things in order ??

          PS These conversations from the TS are so x ... that they already take it apart. Are we at the WTO? Yes. Well, what kind of talk can there be ??? 90% of the goods on the shelves are foreign, CX in full pope, we have Chinese farms, Canadians and Poles, we buy feeds in Europe, it’s not profitable to produce them ourselves, we cut support for agronomists ... With this vehicle, we only cover our eyes with each other for Problems.
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 25 September 2013 10: 00 New
      10
      Quote: KrSk
      Ukrainians are sorry for the simple ...

      But not all. I don’t feel such emotions for the Western "Lviv", "Bandera" with "Ounschina".
      1. Krsk
        Krsk 25 September 2013 10: 18 New
        +1
        I agree completely !!!
    3. Crocodile
      Crocodile 25 September 2013 10: 04 New
      0
      Not every nation deserves its own government!
    4. wulf66
      wulf66 25 September 2013 10: 05 New
      +6
      Residents of eastern Ukraine are really sorry. A western bender not a bit.
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 25 September 2013 10: 08 New
        10
        Quote: wulf66
        Residents of eastern Ukraine are really sorry. A western bender not a bit.

        Approximately here is the alignment:

        1. Veter
          Veter 25 September 2013 10: 40 New
          +7
          Quote: GreatRussia
          Approximately here is the alignment:

          So the border drew the future of the Ukrainian Republic - ... the twelfth region of the Russian Federation.
        2. NAV-STAR
          NAV-STAR 25 September 2013 11: 32 New
          +5
          GreatRussia
          This is what you show - the creation of pro-Western ideologists. There is no purely Ukrainian language either in the east or in the west of Ukraine, it is only in Shevchenko’s Kobzar. In addition, the western regions generally speak semi-Polish. You listen to the Ukrainian news - you will be surprised that the language in which they broadcast only% to 50 coincides with the literary Ukrainian.
          1. evgeny1td
            evgeny1td 26 September 2013 10: 15 New
            0
            fictitious language
            in Ireland we are told Irish by 3% in villages
            by the way speaking English fiercely hate London
        3. Normal
          Normal 25 September 2013 12: 20 New
          0
          Quote: GreatRussia
          Approximately here is the alignment:

          The alignment is like that, but what's the point? No, I understand that the south-east of Ukraine is part of Russia. Without quotes and conventions. By misunderstanding and sabotage, it ended up in another state. And for good, this part should be returned to itself, especially since industry is located there. But here there is a problem. The leadership of Russia does not need industry; they ruined their own production in order to reduce costs and destroy the protest-minded working class.
          So it turns out that the Russian leadership does not need part of Russia, despite all the talk about a strong state and sovereignty.
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 September 2013 14: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: KrSk
      Ukrainians are sorry for the simple ...


      Yes, we already experienced these financial pyramids of Western loans in our own skin and more than once ended up defaulting it in 1998. The development of the situation in Ukraine painfully resembles this process, they will give loans, remove competitive industries, fill up their loans with profit with cheap shit for 5 years and then bankruptcy (default), which will be a heavy burden on the shoulders of the people and not fleeing to the West by then oligarchs

      1. ben gun
        ben gun 25 September 2013 14: 56 New
        +3
        It is sad because the smart heads and skilled hands of Ukrainians so needed by us in Russia will trade in consumer goods on the market like we have in 90 so that families can be fed. About the enterprises themselves, such as MOTOR SICH, Nikolaev shipyards, etc. I just keep quiet.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 25 September 2013 15: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: ben gun
          About the enterprises themselves, such as MOTOR SICH, Nikolaev shipyards, etc. I just keep quiet.


          Associated membership of Ukraine in the EU will lead to the death of Ukrainian engineering - President of Motor Sich JSC

          “I don’t know, maybe talking about a possible signing of an agreement with the European Union on associate membership is some kind of political“ scarecrow game, ”but for science-intensive enterprises such an entry is instant death.In Ukraine, about 20 thousand standards. And under the terms of the agreement, we must abandon them and switch to the European standard. Our working material is D26 or D132. They differ from the same materials used in Europe, one hundredth of a percent of the tantalum content or one tenth of a percent of rhenium - rare earth materials that give heat resistance to steel. Now, when we get to technical regulation and apply for a certificate for the engine according to European standards, we are told: your engine is made of material that does not comply with European standards. That's it, end!
          with the entry into associate membership, Ukrainian factories will all be repair enterprises. And this is at best. The fate of the Baltic republics, Bulgaria, Romania speaks about this. Therefore, I am categorically against the signing by Ukraine of an agreement on associate membership with the European Union "


          President of Motor Sich JSC (Zaporozhye), Verkhovna Rada deputy, Hero of Ukraine Vyacheslav Boguslaev.
          1. ben gun
            ben gun 25 September 2013 15: 57 New
            +3
            Just about right. And so in all directions, from food to heavy industry.

            And here is a note from Vershinin, aka Putnik1.

            “Yesterday, several friends asked me whether it was possible to believe the information that had slipped through Newsland about the alleged sale by Ukraine to China of 3 of millions of hectares of arable land. I couldn’t answer right away, because I didn’t know, but I don’t believe newsland. But now there is information ...

            Yes, that is right. That is, after the appearance of the first reactions, the Ukrainian side began to hastily wag, but the Chinese do not give reverse gear. It is three million hectares — about 11, 583 square miles — that is, about 5% of the territory of Ukraine or 9% of all arable land in the country (in the Dnipropetrovsk region). Under rice and pig farms, where the workforce imported from China will work. For 18 355 213 585 yuan (3 billion dollars).
            Details of the contract are kept in secret. True, brief information slipped through the Chinese press that the land was still not sold, but leased to the production and economic units of the PLA for 99 years, with the right of either party to terminate the contract, but not earlier than the expiration of the first 50 years, or Ukraine will receive another three billion dollars (over the next 49 years) if the agreement is not terminated.
            In addition, as I understand it from a google translation from hieroglyphs, leased territories will receive extraterritorial status, and in addition to the deal that has already taken place, Beijing is interested in leasing from 9 to 17 million hectares under the same conditions, negotiations are already underway. "
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 25 September 2013 19: 28 New
              +6
              Quote: ben gun
              and leased to the production and business units of the PLA for 99 years with the right

              For rent of the Chinese army, with the right of ex-territoriality !!! ??? repeat
              Let's go in time !!! laughing
              Do you want a military base in Ukraine - please! wassat
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 25 September 2013 15: 09 New
        +7
        Quote: Ascetic
        The development of the situation in Ukraine painfully resembles this process, They will give loans, remove competitive industries, fill up their loans with profit for 5 years, repay their loans with profit and then bankruptcy (default), which will be a heavy burden on the shoulders of the people and not fleeing to the West by then oligarchs

        Someone passion as you want to repeat the sad lesson of Greece and others. The southern countries of the Baltic states, Bulgaria ...
    6. evgeny1td
      evgeny1td 26 September 2013 10: 04 New
      0
      they threw them beautifully
      don't be so naive
  • Pit
    Pit 25 September 2013 09: 57 New
    +4
    “Did you choose the bridegroom?”
    - Oh, I have not decided yet
    - How so?
    It seems that the Ukrainian authorities decided on their orientation


    Yes, yes, yes, they have decided, but why should they be determined? Not only will the country be completely ruined, but also the geyropu will be overwhelmed by Ukrainian migrant workers and prostitutes.
    One plus, one plus.
    This is how much dough will flow into the country immediately from abroad !!!
    wassat
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 25 September 2013 10: 09 New
      13
      Reminded me of an ad for water ....
      what ultimately Ukrainians will receive together with their government))))
      Relax ....


      But seriously - this is not the end. A beautiful show will end QUICKLY ....
      There will be a cruel and merciless fight, no one will just give Ukraine away.
      Yes, the degree of idiocy is going wild there, they try to make prostitutes out of the girls (all according to the Polish scenario))) but the garn-divinas are not amenable to.
      The fact that there is shown on TV and tryndyat in the newspapers is not so.
      Mostly ordinary people live according to Ludsky, spinning the spring of anger in themselves.
      And it will definitely break through))
      Poland from the outskirts will not work ....
      NEVER, Russians live there)))
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 25 September 2013 11: 34 New
        +2
        Wait and see! Modern technologies have learned steam from the people let out when necessary! Crimeans with Tatars, for example! Or they will come up with something else, like the hippie movement, the Arab revolution, etc. .. But it is more likely that they will incite Russians-Ukrainians along the line, this is the most beneficial for the West.

        And besides, they refused the referendum to the people on the issue of joining any union !!! The spring is really tightened, where it will shoot ..........?
      2. Normal
        Normal 25 September 2013 12: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Asgard
        Poland from the Outskirts will not work ...

        Plus, the namesake! I also think that the assembly of the outskirts is not a country. But here our top most likely not-to the outskirts of Russia, He is nicer to the Caucasus. But it would be good ... Very lads from the Gulyai-Fields of Caucasians do not respect. Since the days of Old Man Makhno.
      3. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 25 September 2013 13: 43 New
        +3
        Asgard
        Yes, there were analogies with Syria ... But the comparison is completely inappropriate, there are strangers and we do not abandon them, but here are OWN, practically WE. You can’t break yourself off and give back a part ... Ukraine must go the way of sobering knowledge and this ruling husk will fly off when people want it. He doesn’t want either laziness or not yet peppered. We are nearby, looking and waiting to reach out and pull out the European shit. But for this you need to dive there.
  • ben gun
    ben gun 25 September 2013 09: 57 New
    +6
    And the "pro" accuse of treason is well said.
    It is a pity only the people who live there. The main thing is that in Yugoslav and Serbian scenarios, things do not go in Ukraine, pah pah pah pah God forbid !!!
    1. evgeny1td
      evgeny1td 26 September 2013 10: 28 New
      0
      why Ukraine is better than South
      50% there - damned Serbs
      50% here are damned Russians soldier
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 September 2013 10: 00 New
    +7
    Does the political elite think about the simple Ukrainian people, leading the country to the European Union at a fast pace? I am not sure about that. Recently, Russian television broadcast a report from a diesel locomotive plant in Donbass. So, the worker says that 80% of the plant’s production goes to Russia, to Russian Railways. If Russia abandons our diesel locomotives, the plant will end. Do leaders of Ukraine think of such scenarios?
  • dmb
    dmb 25 September 2013 10: 01 New
    +2
    The article once again confirms that we and Ukrainians are from the same root, and we have the same mentality. As the rulers of our countries do not try to decorate our lives with another increase in energy prices, or the introduction of new taxes, we continue to put up with them.
  • Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 25 September 2013 10: 01 New
    +1
    Peace to your home, gentlemen! In the light of recent events, I was sure that Ukraine would do just that !! Well, what can you do !? It remains only to shrug hands !! It is clear that all this is a purely personal matter of Ukraine !! Yes, only people are sorry! ! Okay, as they say, wait and see how it all ends! But it’s already clear that there will be little good !!
    Regards to you !!
  • Trailer
    Trailer 25 September 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    Do you want customs, there will be customs! You must remember this phrase.
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 10: 06 New
    +6
    My Bidna is Ukrainian.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 25 September 2013 11: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      My Bidna is Ukrainian.

      Your Ukraine is rich, only your businessmen / politicians rob it mercilessly ... therefore Poor ((((
      Damn what scientific and industrial groundwork was and still remains with Ukraine .. but they decided to see it completely strangle it.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 11: 27 New
        +8
        Bidna does not mean "without resources," does not mean "without wealth." This means that they are destroying us, that they are robbing us ...
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 25 September 2013 12: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          that they are destroying us, that they are robbing us ...

          So this is the point, there are all conditions that would live according to normal .. but no .. they don’t, but at the expense of "wealth" I did not mean resources))
          As an example, for me personally, a person can have a cool car, a house, a Swiss bank account))) but if his soul is "poor", can it be considered rich? ))) Of course not!
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 25 September 2013 12: 30 New
          +5
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          Bidna does not mean "without resources," does not mean "without wealth." This means that they are destroying us, that they are robbing us ...

          Here on this basis, in the summer, on my VO page (dedicated to Ukraine), a dispute arose with a visitor Akim(UA).
          And I note that "stubborn self-confidence" is very difficult, it is almost impossible to convince them of their obviously wrong position.
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 12: 40 New
            +3
            +
            "stubborn samostіynikіv" is very difficult, almost impossible to convince of their obviously wrong position

            Because their conviction is not based on objective facts, but on the basis of faith.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 25 September 2013 10: 07 New
    12
    "... already now the Ukrainian authorities are preparing, fanning real anti-Russian hysteria."

    Russia gave a couple of days ago to proud ukraim a loan of $ 700 million
    And Europe, so desired in Ukraine, refused.
    Strange logic. Simple yet, brain thrombosis is the power of Ukraine.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 25 September 2013 11: 12 New
      +1
      Nothing, they will join the Association and then the EU will flood Ukraine with help and gifts.
      Note See the meaning of the word “gift” in a bearded New Year’s joke.
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 25 September 2013 16: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: BigRiver
      Russia gave a couple of days ago to proud ukraim a loan of $ 700 million

      Maybe this is such a "multi-path")))
      Now they are getting a loan from the Russian Federation with one hand and slamming the door in front of the RF’s nose with the words - I don’t need your watermelon .. they will intensify the situation, plunge into the euro-zamanuha on the very ears .... will declare bankrupt and the Russian Federation will go bankrupt?
      It’s a joke, although there is some truth in every joke.
  • bairat
    bairat 25 September 2013 10: 09 New
    -4
    Well, honestly, we also had a hand in this departure of Ukraine to the EU. By twisting their arms, such gas contracts concluded that we would have to forget about the fraternal friendship of peoples. They were very hurt that Putin, before meeting with Yanukovych, stopped by bikers and ended up being 3 hours late. A clear demonstrative disrespect, it was the moment of a turn after which they decided to finally reorient to the EU.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 25 September 2013 10: 35 New
      11
      Quote: bairat
      Well, honestly, we also had a hand in this departure of Ukraine to the EU. By twisting their arms, such gas contracts concluded that we would have to forget about the fraternal friendship of peoples ...

      Do you mean the mid to late 2000s?
      And the 90s - the beginning of the 2000s. don't remember When Russia sold gas to Ukraine several times cheaper than to Europe. And how did this “brotherly” attitude end?
      Maidan, Yushchenko, anti-Russian rhetoric, spitting in our direction .., and arm twisting because of the "pipe".
      Who knew that "fraternally" is bad? request
    2. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 25 September 2013 11: 14 New
      0
      Maybe you're right. It’s like a family. Both spouses are to blame for any quarrel.
    3. Moon
      Moon 25 September 2013 23: 25 New
      +2
      Well, yes, it was all so well, all of a sudden, and suddenly, it is not clear from which hangover Putin decided to "show disrespect."
      Rewind the memory 3 years ago and remember that we did not have normal relations with the "pro-Russian" Yanukovych. They signed the Kharkov Agreements - ours are waiting to develop aircraft manufacturing, cooperation with nuclear power plants, and from Ukraine the same long song - when will we rewrite the gas contract? For just like that, for fraternal snot and kisses.
      Say what happened if you rewrote? But nothing. Absolutely nothing would have changed, except that the ukrooligarchs filled their pockets faster and pushed Yanukovych back in the direction of Europe even more. Putin studied this audience for zero years to the tips of the nails.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 25 September 2013 10: 10 New
    +5
    Well, if you continue to think so to speak, then: Ukraine will remain a “hallway” in the EU, where they will wipe their shoes, and Yanukovych in the role of “porter at the door to stand and take clothes” .. the door to Russia is the key. Well, how something like that in general. A bleak prospect, frankly speaking, because you yourself have chosen, yeah .. request
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 September 2013 10: 10 New
    -3
    But it seems to me that the choice of Ukraine is a personal matter of Ukraine. And we are moaning about this at least ugly. Now Russia is acting like the guy the girl abandoned. Before that - shura-moors, love-carrots, and now immediately - and a prostitute, and so-and-so ... Why are these moaning? You will not be forcibly sweet.
    To the timid phrase of Ukraine "Well, did I go?" I would answer: "Yes! Fuck you ..."
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 10: 47 New
      +4
      Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan is one country artificially divided into parts. And to say that something there is a private matter of Ukraine-is to lie to yourself.

      Was it when the Germans occupied Ukraine that it was necessary to say that this was a private affair of Ukraine? Would that be right? So it is now.

      We suffered a crushing defeat in the Cold War. The enemy managed to bring his agents to power in our country. The enemy managed to fill the state structures, all the main social structures with their agents. The enemy managed to capture, occupy our vast territories. Including Ukraine.

      But the main thing is that the enemy managed to convince a huge part of the people, I would even say - MOST that Ukraine is a separate, different, state that this is not our land and we, you Russians, have nothing to do with it, which has already happened and therefore it should remain so.

      Do you agree to believe the enemy? Do you agree to put up with this?
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 25 September 2013 11: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        Was it when the Germans occupied Ukraine that it was necessary to say that this was a private affair of Ukraine? Would that be right? So it is now.


        Do not confuse occupation with voluntary consent. If we climb into your tricks with the European Union, be the first to shout "Get from Ukraine, Muscovites! (Moderation doesn’t miss the phrase in the correct transcription)" Do we need it? Sami "entered" yourself and understand what. That’s why your Nenko is non-dependable.
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 11: 34 New
          +2
          Do not confuse occupation with voluntary consent

          Do not confuse coercion and fraudulent deception with voluntary consent.

          If we climb into your tricks with the European Union, be the first to shout "Get from Ukraine, Muscovites!"

          Do you think that if you don’t climb, they won’t scream?

          So, do you agree to surrender and surrender the Russian lands that Ukraine consists of to Europe? just because the media controlled by them convinced you that this is a personal matter of Ukraine and you have nothing to do with it?
          1. Stiletto
            Stiletto 25 September 2013 11: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            So, do you agree to surrender and surrender the Russian lands that Ukraine consists of to Europe?


            You must answer this question, not me.

            My would - I would have returned Alaska and the Crimea.

            So let’s drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities!
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 11: 56 New
              +3
              So the enemy (personally) has already defeated you.

              You have already separated us from yourself, Ukraine from Russia, Little Russia-Novorossia from Russia.

              That is what our enemies sought.

              PS
              You must answer this question, not me.

              I have long answered this question. And it seems not like you.
              1. Stiletto
                Stiletto 25 September 2013 12: 06 New
                -1
                Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                You have already separated us from yourself, Ukraine from Russia, Little Russia-Novorossia from Russia.


                Personally, I didn’t separate you from myself, in my opinion, everything was exactly the opposite - you wanted to go to Europe. Forward and with songs - free - will. What are you expecting from Russia - that we will come to take you out of the Geyropei captivity on tanks ?! So no one drove you there by force, understand this at last!
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 12: 24 New
                  +2
                  You did not separate. You - resigned ...
                  But not me.
                  1. Stiletto
                    Stiletto 25 September 2013 12: 27 New
                    -3
                    Well, step on the Maidan soon. Whose government is screwed up, mine or yours?

                    PS "Do not sing, beauty, with me you have the songs of Georgia sad" ...
                    1. Ivan_Ivanov
                      Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 12: 31 New
                      +4
                      This is not my government. The Urkianm government is the Viceroy, the Hauptmanian organ of the occupier. Can you figure it out?

                      And Ukraine alone will not be able to free itself. She couldn’t have been freed alone in the Great Patriotic War.
                      1. Stiletto
                        Stiletto 25 September 2013 13: 22 New
                        +1
                        I, too, for the friendship of peoples. But the people have the government that they choose. And if the government begins to have a people, the conclusions should be drawn by the people of Ukraine themselves. Soul and heart, we are ready to help (and help) financially. But for obvious reasons we cannot overthrow your government, nor can we influence your choice. The relatives themselves live in Dneprodzerzhinsk, and so, as we were a native, we will remain, no matter what.
                      2. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 13: 34 New
                        +2
                        I, too, for the friendship of peoples.

                        Since when did maloros and great-rose become different nations? Ever since you were convinced of this by pro-Western propagandists? I could not convince me of this.

                        But the people have the government that they choose.

                        Well, let's remember the government of Gaidar, Kiriyenko, Kasyanov, Chernomyrdin, and Yeltsin at the same time. Then it is worth confessing that you chose them yourself, consciously.
                        And how much have you personally done so that they are gone and Putin came to power? And if Yeltsin did not appoint Putin as his successor, but say Kasyanov? Could you really influence this?
                      3. Stiletto
                        Stiletto 25 September 2013 13: 38 New
                        0
                        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                        Since when did maloros and great-rose become different nations?


                        - Ask this question to those who write your history books.

                        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                        Well, let's remember the government of Gaidar, Kiriyenko, Kasyanov, Chernomyrdin, and Yeltsin at the same time. Then it is worth confessing that you deserve them.


                        - I did not vote for them.

                        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                        And how much have you personally done so that they are gone and Putin came to power?


                        - I voted for Putin
                      4. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 13: 45 New
                        +1
                        And if Yeltsin appointed Kasyanov as the receiver? How much would you vote?

                        - Ask this question to those who write your history books.

                        I ask you this question, since you consider Ukrainians and Russians to be different peoples, although you advocate friendship between them. Shifting arrows and pushing responsibility for your words to someone else is low.
                      5. Stiletto
                        Stiletto 25 September 2013 13: 52 New
                        -2
                        1. If Yeltsin appointed someone else as the successor, it is unlikely that he would consult with me at this point.
                        2. Ukrainians and Russians are different nations, but fraternal. Each of them has its own language, and its own culture. Moreover, eastern Ukrainians and zapadentsy are also different peoples. The concept of "Russian", by the way, is also collective. There were Slavic-Krivichi, there was a miracle, there was a whole, and there were other nationalities.
                      6. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 25 September 2013 14: 12 New
                        +3
                        1. If Yeltsin appointed someone else as the successor, it is unlikely that he would consult with me at this point.

                        Gold words. Do you think we were asked a lot?

                        2. Ukrainians and Russians - different peoples, but fraternal.

                        There are no Ukrainians and Russians. More precisely, there are no such peoples in the sense that you, and almost everyone else, are now investing in it. As there is no Ukrainian language. There is one people - RUSSIAN. It is made up of 3 main nationalities: Great Roses, Little Rivers, and Balorians. Those whom you call Russians, the Russian people — are only part of the Russian people — the Great Russians. Ukrainians (malorosy) and Belarusians are also Russian. Western propaganda, pro-Western manipulators from the end of the century before last introduced distorted information in order to divide the ONE Russian people into 3 parts. And the Ukrainian language is just a Little Russian (Little Russian, I don’t know how to correctly) adverb of the Russian language.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 25 September 2013 10: 16 New
    +4
    According to the choice of "orientation" - "either there or here", for good, a referendum in the country should be held. Now GEYropa will freely introduce his vulgar, immoral, immoral laws in Ukraine, which "reorient" people from kindergarten. So Ukraine, both economically and morally, will roll like a ball into the abyss from a hill, and God alone knows where it will “roll”. Oh, TOSKA ...
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 25 September 2013 11: 00 New
      +4
      According to the choice of "orientation" - "either there or here", for good, a referendum in the country should be held.

      So they collected the necessary signatures, gave an application to the CEC for a referendum. Denied the holy night, those in power! Any meetings-rallies regarding the referendum through the courts are prohibited! The media is completely silent about the discontent of people, about the referendum, about the fact that enterprises are already stopping. One game selection propaganda! Goebbels prosperity in full swing !!!amAnd they do not care about the opinion of the people, they hold on to their capital, and in Ukraine they behave worse than the invaders. The old people say that the Germans did not behave like these "guardians of the people."angry
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 25 September 2013 11: 35 New
        +3
        ... democracy in all its glory! Imagine how the BOILS of BLOOD in the majority of PEOPLE in Ukraine ...
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 25 September 2013 22: 39 New
          +4
          Imagine how the BOILS of BLOOD in the majority of PEOPLE in Ukraine ...

          Yes, she doesn’t boil! A herd of rams wandering to the slaughter!foolThey are driven, and they only bleat, but they go (sorry for such a comparison,hibut it is the most suitable). "Meet" in the kitchens, smoking rooms, but grannies at the porches. And so - "my hut from the edge", I suppose, you know what that means.no The referendum and the gathering of votes is an initiative of the Communists. Only they really oppose this coven, and frankly indifferent to them, who have nothing to lose. The rest ... you know, like computer "fighters" on the Internet, negative Unfortunately. The spirit of collective rebellion is completely atrophied, and loners are “crushed” by all available means. request I have already spoken out about this ...
      2. v.lyamkin
        v.lyamkin 25 September 2013 12: 15 New
        +2
        Judging by the text of the comment, are you a citizen of Ukraine? You can only sympathize with the situation.
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 25 September 2013 12: 50 New
          +1
          No, I am not a citizen of Ukraine, but I VERY acutely perceive the information, because I have 50% of Ukrainian blood in me, and in fact, we are one people, and I do not care about the fate of the people of this country.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 September 2013 10: 43 New
    +2
    Yes, Ukrainian politicians are turning like weathercocks now! Joining the CU and integrating with Russia is the only option for restoring the industry of the military-industrial complex .. to work and work .. And in the EU free loans can be scratched with your tongue without stopping until you pull them apart and saw them and then eat beautiful rubber tomatoes and pink in a beautiful package (but tasteless fat) ..Select the Slavs !!!
  • slacker
    slacker 25 September 2013 10: 47 New
    +5
    despite the possible signing of the Association Agreement in the EU, Ukraine will never enter. Nobody expects her here in this capacity, no one invites, and even there is no talk that the country 404 may become a member of the European Union.
    The German leadership understands better than other European members that Ukraine will have to pay for European guarantees with a decrease in the level of well-being of Germans. But we have no fools to sign a death sentence for ourselves and our party.
    To demolish the Ukrainian wattle fence before the European commodity producer and destroy another competitor is one thing. It's possible. But to feed and provide work at the expense of another 40 million freeloaders, this is impossible in principle. Germany, together with old Europe, will never allow this.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 25 September 2013 10: 56 New
    0
    a fool.
    "Camrades Bagel from Terra Analytics invented a new genre of collections - fool.
    These are excerpts from dill, quotes from dill, grouped in one page.
    You know, my friends, that’s why Slippers and I, tired of the sun, are saturated with humor and a lot of idiocy for two years of publication, and even we had to tie up the jaw so that it would not hit the floor.
    So meet! Only quotes! Only whistles, only hardcore ... "

    http://213.141.140.103/page.php?id=296
    .
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 25 September 2013 12: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Boris55
      So meet! Only quotes! Only whistles, only hardcore ... "

      Thank you + but not funny ... crying
    2. gyl
      gyl 25 September 2013 19: 48 New
      -1
      Why is it funny to you, it’s right to sob your head and sprinkle ash, or dispute it? == Against the background of the Gundyaev obscurantism, the dull monotony of the ORT, the rotten, but only more ferocious executive vertical, Ukraine with its polycentricity, multi-ethnicity, multi-confessionality, softness looks like a more acceptable alternative to me. We speak Russian, we are very similar, but we are different. (Yuri Romanenko, http://hvylya.org/an...avisimosti.html)

      “I speak to those people who dream of uniting with Mother Russia. Guys, you aspiring there, have not been there for a long time. You have not lived there for a long time. You live in independent Ukraine, and be happy. You are very lucky (Eugene Kiselev, http://www.nr2.ru/kiev/456355.html)

      The Best Friend of the Peoples of Russia, Putin, cannot offer the Russians anything practical. Therefore, we must continue to pursue a policy called "divide and conquer." To make fewer people go to all kinds of rallies against ПЖиВ. And what could be better than a good Russian movie? http: //marko19511.li...com/364055.html
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 25 September 2013 11: 03 New
    +7
    Yanukovych is a traitor to his people, he won the election only because he promised a rapprochement with Russia.
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 25 September 2013 11: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Separate flies of power from cutlets of the people can only dichlorvos


    It is clear that only dichlorvos, i.e. direct force actions of the Russian special services, and possibly the army. What to dissemble - Ukraine, part of Russia, is TAPPED by an external enemy and this is a fact.
  • Jober
    Jober 25 September 2013 11: 34 New
    +2
    The Orange Revolution (Part One) taught nothing to those in power. The Orange Revolution begins, part two. Orange chest scarves come from dressers. How will it end? The people are sorry. For what? It's a shame.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 25 September 2013 11: 56 New
    +6
    Quote from the article:
    The task is to intimidate their own faction of regionals, who came to power only under the promise of the closest relations with Russia. At the same time, the language does not turn to accuse Ukrainian politicians of betrayal. It’s the same as blaming a professional for treason.

    It is worth a little more bend down and ....
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 25 September 2013 12: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan is one country artificially divided into parts

    You can’t say better! A plus!
  • saag
    saag 25 September 2013 13: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Stiletto
    But it seems to me that the choice of Ukraine is a personal matter of Ukraine. And we are moaning about this at least ugly. Now Russia is acting like the guy the girl abandoned. Before that - shura-moors, love-carrots, and now immediately - and a prostitute, and so-and-so ... Why are these moaning? You will not be forcibly sweet.
    To the timid phrase of Ukraine "Well, did I go?" I would answer: "Yes! Fuck you ..."

    But consider this situation from a military point of view, Ukraine is some kind of buffer, but to lose it is not at all buzzing, especially since the states are deploying a biolaboratory there that will not produce vaccines for cows
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 25 September 2013 13: 30 New
      +1
      Your suggestions?
  • RUSS
    RUSS 25 September 2013 13: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: NAV-STAR
    GreatRussia
    This is what you show - the creation of pro-Western ideologists. There is no purely Ukrainian language either in the east or in the west of Ukraine, it is only in Shevchenko’s Kobzar. In addition, the western regions generally speak semi-Polish. You listen to the Ukrainian news - you will be surprised that the language in which they broadcast only% to 50 coincides with the literary Ukrainian.

    I agree, I have a friend from Kiev, so he does not always understand Ukrainians from the West, there are a lot of borrowed words from Polish. In fact, they have a lot of different things: language — more precisely speaking, dialect and accent, religion — the Uniates, the Orthodox of the Moscow Patriarchate, the Orthodox of the Kiev Patriarchate, traditions in the celebration of holidays, etc.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 25 September 2013 13: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    Well, step on the Maidan soon. Whose government is screwed up, mine or yours?

    In Ukraine, the word "Maidan" is already perceived as indecent (at least among the healthy part of citizens). By the way, in the Ukrainian SSR the "Maidan of Independence" was called the "Square of the Zhovtnevo Revolution" (October Revolution Square)
  • shark
    shark 25 September 2013 13: 13 New
    +3
    I am amazed at Yanukovych. I have the feeling that a person is clearly expanding consciousness under something. So, to press your own party, the people who brought him to power! And also openly throw voters. Yes, in any country in the world for a long time, retirement signatures would be collected ..
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 25 September 2013 13: 33 New
    +2
    The West is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
  • individual
    individual 25 September 2013 14: 23 New
    +4
    Oh, and our people are patient.
    When the USSR was fucked up, they all spoiled and calmed down on this.
    Now, when we are finally fenced off with an eurofence, we ask each other via Skype: "How to live?" But neither on the Dnieper, nor on the Volga there is no otet.
    So they waited for an answer from Brussels.
    History goes in a circle. We must again wait for the knight dogs, to survive the Tatar-Mongol yoke, which is grouped in the southeast, Victory in the Kulikovo field and after another 100 years to gain Russia.
    Will there again be Italo-German fascism, the Great Victory over it and the triumph of the Russian idea ...?
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  • 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 25 September 2013 14: 37 New
    +2
    I feel sorry for our brotherly people! The top always thinks of herself, and who will think of people? But everything comes to an end, and it would be more likely to end the pro-Western leadership, leading the country into chaos and devastation!
  • Platov
    Platov 25 September 2013 14: 52 New
    +2
    Yanukovych is not a traitor to his people. He simply fulfills the BB plan for dividing the outskirts into two parts, to correct the misunderstanding of the USSR. We don’t need Bendery for any gingerbread.
    1. Tambov we ...
      Tambov we ... 25 September 2013 15: 58 New
      +2
      Interesting interpretation. Although, this is most likely your legitimate desire to find at least a bit of the positive in the whole mess that is happening in Ukraine.
  • Politician
    Politician 25 September 2013 15: 00 New
    +1
    Ukraine with the wise Belarus should take an example! Belarus does not have its own oil, but it is in 6th place in the world in its export! Russia will never turn its back on its brothers if they themselves do not turn their backs on us!
  • Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 25 September 2013 15: 14 New
    +2
    The West, if it is the EU, this is Germany, today Merkel. And they are doing everything right if they want to get a united Europe. They unify countries, knocking their financial back from under their feet and forcing them to adapt to common standards. Russia, in view of its position, has to be equal among equals. Even a union Belarus cannot be brought into the ruble zone, although Luke promised this a hundred years ago. Strong Germany took advantage of the crisis and put things in order. They have nothing against Russia, only against Russia one people and one state.
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 25 September 2013 15: 43 New
    +4
    When lovely eloes with songs and dances living in beautiful marble palaces call you to their place - weave wreaths, dance in colorful clothes on the meadow, eat fruit and sing songs, then take a closer look if you have a sleeping place somewhere on the outskirts of marble palaces ...

    Because somewhere underground, in gloomy catacombs, Morlocks work - weave and dye clothes, produce fertilizers for fruits and notes for the piano.

    And the darker and longer the night - the closer the morlocks come to the beautiful marble palaces, where gentle eloes sleep on silk sheets ...

    When experienced and experienced, grated and wrinkled, they suddenly start smiling at you, who has flown into the depths of the Siberian taiga, in general, by chance, scolding bondage and calling for freedom, which is just around the corner, and everything will be fine there, and they will surely accept you in the company, then do not rejoice that at dinner experienced and experienced people push you extra rations and approvely slap your belly ...

    Because to run far to the will, and you always want to eat.

    And the colder the night or the closer the wolves howl, the more useful the simple-minded fellow traveler ...

    But, of course, when you are called into the beautiful marble palaces on the banks of the Seine and Thames, the Rhine and the Tiber, the experienced and experienced, past Rome and the Crimea, put whole nations on opium, unleashed hundreds of wars, including two world wars that survived to dryness the dozens of colonies that robbed the whole world are completely different.

    This is not at all because the Morlocks are getting closer, the wolves are howling more and more, the freebie is ending, and cutting one’s own, even sixes, to death is somehow uncomfortable.

    It's just because they love you, crest!
    http://www.vz.ru/columns/2013/9/24/651818.html
  • scientist
    scientist 25 September 2013 17: 51 New
    +4
    A powerful information and economic war has been waged in Ukraine for a long time. The first, aims at public opinion, the second, to corrupt the elite and blackmail them with foreign accounts.
    The stories that we have a common culture, that we are fraternal peoples, are just talk.
    Need to take countermeasures.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 25 September 2013 18: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: ben gun
    Yes, that is right. That is, after the appearance of the first reactions, the Ukrainian side began to hastily wag, but the Chinese do not give reverse gear. It is three million hectares — about 11, 583 square miles — that is, about 5% of Ukraine or 9% of all arable land in the country

    Along the way, they don’t care who lays Ukraine, Russia wouldn’t get lied. Apparently this is the initial plan of Yanukovych (separation from Russia), as Gorbach and EBN once deceived the people. If it were not for his pro-Russian rhetoric, he would not have been president, and he knew that. After he does his business (Moor), he can leave, and he knows that too. He will buy a house somewhere in Germany (a farm, a candle factory, etc.), and will go to visit Gorbach. He honestly earned his 30 pieces of silver. Involuntarily you begin to think about different world conspiracies there.
  • gyl
    gyl 25 September 2013 20: 08 New
    -9
    People who accuse Yanukovych of betrayal or professional liars, such as Leontyev, or, if they are Ukrainians of the Party of Regions, illiterate and uninviting individuals, have clearly indicated in the PR program documents and in the election campaign of Yanukovych that our goal is European integration, while maintaining warm relations with Russia. We perceive the threats of Russian leadership with southern humor - Russia can be friends with the EU and have more than 50% of the goods turnover, and we, with a pitiful 30%, can develop relations with us, because Russia will be offended (afraid of competition). Yes, and we are not afraid of Russia, more every hysteria of the Russian leadership tears apart the shovels that are still pulling us together somewhere. As for the EU, there’s an excellent proverb = it’s better to lose with the smart (backward soviet industry) than with the fools to find (extension of the agony of the extremely inefficient post-Soviet heavy industry due to cheap energy). That's right, the little ones. (C)
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 25 September 2013 21: 40 New
      +3
      Don’t say “gop” until you jump over! Time will tell who is who. It seems that at your choice in favor of the "smart" you yourself will be fools!
      1. gyl
        gyl 26 September 2013 20: 27 New
        0
        Kanechna will show! But, if this is a mistake, then our own mistake, yeah ..
  • Moon
    Moon 25 September 2013 23: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: Canep
    Russia is trying to blackmail Ukraine itself, which does not give a damn to everyone, but it was necessary to blackmail its elite,


    If you admonish your sister, will it also be blackmail? And then, what does “all Ukraine” mean? Who is Ukraine? Names, passwords, appearances. wink
    Probably again, the price of gas pops up, so you kind of consume your own, cheap.
    Blackmail the top with what? So what kind of buns did not promise in the vehicle, but what in return?
    At customs, they held a demonstration lesson on the topic "What will happen if ..." - to no avail.
    They offered the GTS for two completely on our funding - they don’t want to. Over the course of 20 years, they have become accustomed to gambling so that the proposal is perceived as an insult.
    The Russian market is at the disposal of Ukraine with all the benefits and preferences - they hope that the West of Russia will threaten with a finger and everything will go the old way.

    So what are you missing out on?
  • Moon
    Moon 25 September 2013 23: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: Jogan-64
    The referendum and the gathering of votes is an initiative of the Communists. Only they really oppose this coven

    Ha! But what, Simonenko did not know that European integration is spelled out in the PR program? Well, poor one, otherwise he would never have gone to a coalition with them.
    Your Simonenko thinks about the next election and does not want to lose his ... uh ... voters.
  • -Max-
    -Max- 25 September 2013 23: 52 New
    +4
    I think let them sign.
    If Yanukovych is so "smart and far-sighted."
    But if there is a default and the authorities will not be able to fulfill their obligations to state employees, pensioners (poverty and hunger will begin), a revolution will inevitably happen (without any social networks and Western revolutionary technologies). And all the talk that Russia will not be blamed for everything ...
    The fault will be about the (under) the Western course of the Ukrainian authorities. And I’m afraid that Yanukovych and the rest of the sub-Western politicians of Ukraine would not have finished like Ceausescu ...
    Do not be dashing while it is quiet !!!

    100% in the next 10-15 years, three fraternal Slavic peoples will unite!
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 26 September 2013 02: 03 New
    +4
    sorry. but what can you do.
    The Bedouins in Libya were also told that they needed democracy, after the victory of democracy, naturally integration with developed democratic countries.
    The Bedouins believed and started a civil war, although they hardly understood anything. Do not think that the situation in this case is completely different.
    The people will be worse. Just think how many Ukrainians work in Russia, not to mention the other aspects.
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 26 September 2013 08: 14 New
    +3
    Peter 1 cut through the “window to Europe”, and where Yanukovych and Co. will cut through the window to Europe or to .opa we will see ....
  • romuchik
    romuchik 26 September 2013 09: 43 New
    +2
    Paradox ... Russia reaches out a helping hand to Ukraine, and Ukraine beats Russia on the hands and strives for the head. We are certainly brothers with the Ukrainians, but we won’t be substituted for them to beat us in the face. There are Communists in Ukraine, and vote for them, you see something good and will ...
  • Konstantm
    Konstantm 26 September 2013 09: 46 New
    +2
    Bets are made, gentlemen !!!
    Rates, thank God, while you can change.