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Vietnam became one of the largest customers of the Russian naval technology

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Vietnam became one of the largest customers of the Russian naval technology

At JSC "Zelenodolsk plant them. AM Gorky "24 September is scheduled for the laying ceremony of two frigates" Cheetah-3.9 "for the Vietnamese Navy, the press service of the company reported.


The event will be attended by representatives of the Vietnamese Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, Rosoboronexport OJSC, ministries and departments of the Republic of Tatarstan, management of the Zelenodolsk municipal district, Ak Bars Holding Company OJSC, as well as representatives of the designer and counterpart organizations.

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Russian-Vietnamese cooperation on naval issues

As part of the cardinal modernization of the country's naval forces, Vietnam became one of the largest customers of the Russian naval technology. The total value of the volume of orders for the supply of Russian Vietnamese WMT has become comparable with the current contracts implemented by the orders of the Indian Navy.

DEPL

The largest program in the BMT segment is to supply Vietnam with six XELUM Kilo diesel-electric submarines.

Russia and Vietnam have signed a contract for the supply of six diesel submarines of the 636 "Kilo" project worth about 2 billion dollars at the end of 2009 of the year. The 636 diesel-electric submarines for the Vietnamese Navy will be equipped with the Club-S missile system.

Three months after signing the contract, the parties began negotiations on the construction of a diesel-electric submarine submarine base and the corresponding infrastructure. Experts estimate the financial parameters of this program at an amount comparable or even greater than the cost of the diesel-electric submarines.

Vietnam expects to receive a loan from Russia for the construction of not only a submarine-based base, but also for the purchase of various types of ships (including rescue ships, support vessels) and marine aircraft aviation.

It should be noted that the submarine forces and naval aviation will be new structures in the composition of the armed forces of Vietnam.

Along with the construction of the underwater fleet, Vietnam began the modernization of combat surface ships of the main class, as well as boats of various types and purposes. The lion's share of the major programs to modernize the Navy of Vietnam in the field of BNK OK and boats is also associated with Russia.

Boats

The implementation of the program with Vietnam for the supply of Svetlyak launches began in 2001. In the summer of 2002, two patrol boats from the 10412 project (an export version of the 10410 Svetlyak project) ordered by the Vietnamese Navy were launched at the Shipbuilding Company Almaz OJSC (St. Petersburg). Both boats were handed over to the customer in January 2003. The construction was carried out on the basis of a contract signed by the Vietnamese side with Rosoboronexport in November 2001.

At the same time, Vietnam expressed its intention to continue the construction program for the national naval boats of the Svetlyak type of boats (in general, then it was about building a series of patrol boats of this type from 10-12). Part of this program was developed in 2009 year. In the summer of 2009, two Russian shipyards (Shipbuilding company Almaz and the shipyard Eastern Shipyard) laid out a total of four patrol boats of the 10412 "Svetlyak" project (2 boats on each) by order of the Ministry of Defense of Vietnam.

The shipbuilding company "Almaz" delivered two boats to the customer in 2011 year.

In 2012, Viet Nam was supplied with two 10412 Svetlyak patrol boats, built by the Eastern Shipyard in Vladivostok.

The TFR of the 10412 project was developed at the St. Petersburg Central Marine Design Bureau Almaz. Boats have high seaworthiness, speed is about 30 knots. Crew - 28 people.

Svetlyak type boats are designed to protect the maritime border, coastal communications and the fight against poachers.

The second largest project in the boat segment is the program for the supply and licensed production of boats "Lightning". In 1990's 4 boats of the 1241RE "Molniya" project with the Termit rocket complex were delivered to Vietnam. In 1993, Vietnam purchased a license for the construction of 1241.8 "Lightning" missile boats with the Uran missile system. Delivery of technical, regulatory and technological documentation for the construction of these ships began in 2005 year. Since 2006, the process of preparing for production has begun. According to the contract signed in 2003, two boats of the 1241.8 "Lightning" project with the Uran missile complex were planned to be built in Russia and 10 boats under the Russian license in Vietnam. The first rocket boat “Lightning” of the 1241.8 project with the Uran-E missile strike complex was transferred to Vietnam in the 2007 year, the second - in the 2008 year. In 2010, with the laying of the first boat at the shipyard in Ho Chi Minh City, the realization of the licensed part of this construction contract from 6 to 10 of boats, calculated for the period up to 2016, began.

Trainers

In January 2002, ZAO Kronstadt supplied the first full-scale simulator Laguna-1241РЭ for the Vietnamese Navy. When developing the Lagoon, Kronstadt CJSC used software technologies of simulator engineering created by Transas.

With the help of the Laguna marine simulator, delivered in 2002, the Vietnamese naval sailors worked on the management of four 2141Р project missile boats with the Termit rocket complex exported to this country in the 1990s.

Cooperation with Vietnam on naval simulators has been further developed. Vietnam expressed its intention to purchase an integrated simulator for three types of ships - the 1241Р project, the 1241.8 project and the Gepard frigates.

In September, Rosoboronexport signed a contract with the Vietnamese Navy for the modernization of the Laguna-2006РР simulator and the delivery of new simulators for the 1241РЭ and 1241 "Molniya" rocket boats - an electromechanical simulator weapons. Delivery was implemented in December 2007.

Frigates

In the BNK OK segment, a large project is being implemented with Vietnam for the supply of frigates (the section on frigates is given in the statement of the press service of OAO Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky).

The frigates of the project "Cheetah-3.9" designed by JSC "Zelenodolsk PKB" and are designed to perform tasks such as the fight against air, underwater and surface enemy; coverage of the surface and underwater situation, setting active and passive interference; minefield setting; escorting and guarding convoys - in a conflict situation; guarding and patrolling the state border and economic zone; fighting smuggling, poaching and piracy; assistance to ships in distress; search and rescue of people at sea; flag demonstration - in peacetime.

The construction of the second pair of frigates "Cheetah-3.9" with anti-submarine armament for the Vietnamese Navy is a continuation of the work of JSC "AMGorky Zelenodolsk Plant" in the framework of international military-technical cooperation.

In 2005, a contract was signed with the Vietnamese Navy for the construction of the first pair of ships of the 11661 project “Cheetah-3.9”, and the Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky was elected the contractor. The plant successfully coped with all stages of construction, and 5 in March 2011, the national flag of Vietnam was raised on the first frigate at the naval base of Cam Ranh, the ship received the name "Din Tin Hoan" in honor of the first emperor of Vietnam, and 22 of August 2011 was held an official ceremony raising the national flag on the second frigate - "Li Tai To".

During the 15 months from the moment each ship arrived in Vietnam, a guarantee group consisting of specialists from the plant and its contractors performed work to maintain the combat readiness of the frigates, train personnel and eliminate the malfunctioning mechanisms and equipment arising during the operation.

From the moment of their launching until the signing of the final act on the completion of the guarantee works, the frigates were under the constant control of Russian specialists. Ships showed high seaworthiness in the South China Sea. In November, 2012, the plant fully completed the implementation of its warranty obligations in terms of construction and delivery of this pair of frigates to the Vietnamese side.

The positive results of the fulfillment of the first contract created prerequisites for the elaboration by the Ministry of Defense of the SRV of the issue of placing in the Russian Federation an order for the construction of the second pair of frigates Gepard-3.9. The intergovernmental contract for the supply of frigates was signed on October 17 2012 of the year, after which work was carried out on the coordination and preparation of the state contract for the supply of products for export under the current legislation of the Russian Federation.

The state contract between Rosoboronexport OJSC and Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky OJSC was signed on February 15 of the year.

The main differences of the new pair of frigates from the previous one are the presence of anti-submarine weapons and the use of a more modern power plant with improved characteristics.

The main tactical and technical characteristics of the Cheetah-3.9 frigates: full displacement - about 2200 t, overall length - 102,4 m, overall width - 14,4 m, border height amidships - about 7,25 m, full speed - around 5,6 knots, cruising range at economic speed (29 knots under diesel) - about 10 miles, ship autonomy (for reserves of provisions and water) - 4000 days, recommended personnel - 20 people.

Frigates "Cheetah-3.9" equipped with modern missile and artillery, aviation, anti-submarine and radio engineering weapons, as well as mine and anti-sabotage weapons, means of external and intra-ship communications, broadcasting, visual observation and audio communications.

Other programs

The Russian side is negotiating with Vietnam on the supply of additional PBRK "Bastion" within the framework of the target state credit for the purchase of several types of weapons.

Under the first contract of Vietnam in 2010 and 2011. Two sets of PBRK K-300P Bastion-P were transferred. Vietnam became the first customer of Bastion, signing a contract for the supply of two sets of PBRK in 2006.

PBRK "Bastion" is able to protect the coastline with a length of more than 600 km from the landing operations of the enemy.

PBRK K-300P "Bastion-P" is one of the most modern in the world (developed by JSC MIC NPO Mashinostroeniya). It is a mobile missile system, armed with a unified supersonic anti-ship missile (PKR) K-310 "Yakhont". The range of the complex is up to 300 km.

An agreement is also being prepared with Vietnam to provide technical assistance in the production of Yakhont anti-ship missiles.

A delegation of Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center OJSC in April 2011 conducted negotiations with the command of the Vietnamese Navy and the leadership of the General Export-Import Company Van Xuan under the Ministry of Defense of Vietnam.

During the talks, the sides discussed issues of supplies of spare parts, service and modernization of the ships of the Navy of Vietnam, and also considered the prospects for the participation of the CS Zvezdochka in the reconstruction of the shipyard in the city of Camran.

Following the negotiations, the parties signed a protocol on the start of work on the supply of spare parts.

Currently, Vietnam, with the assistance of Russian developers, is implementing projects to build two types of ships for its Navy — the 54-meter patrol ships and the 71-meter landing craft.

The head patrol ship TT400TP (HQ-272) of the Vietnamese Navy was commissioned in January 2012. The armament and most of the ship’s equipment are Russian-made. The armament includes the X-NUMX-mm AK-76 artillery mount, located in the bow, the X-NUMX-mm AU AK-176 on the aft superstructure, several machine guns and, possibly, MANPADS.

Later, the second ship of the TT400TP class was commissioned, the construction of the third one is planned, possibly according to a modified project, using the experience gained and national technologies.

Vietnam also built the first landing ship with the assistance of Russian specialists. The HQ-571 landing ship "Truong Sa" was launched at the shipyard in Haiphong in October 2011 of the year and put into service in March 2012 of the year.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 24 September 2013 15: 37
    14
    Vietnam, if that, will fight for us ??? smile
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 24 September 2013 15: 39
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      Vietnam, if that, will fight for us ??? smile

      no
      1. Airman
        Airman 24 September 2013 15: 47
        +3
        I don’t understand, we don’t have money for our aircraft, we refused to purchase the MiG-35, and we give Vietnam a loan, and what will it return? They don't have enough rice themselves, Vietnamese shitty clothes?
        1. krpmlws
          krpmlws 24 September 2013 17: 14
          +6
          Quote: Povshnik
          I don’t understand, we don’t have money for our aircraft, we refused to purchase the MiG-35, and we give Vietnam a loan, and what will it return? They don't have enough rice themselves, Vietnamese shitty clothes?

          This mystery is great; we cannot understand this crying There is money for loans, there is not enough money for the purchase for our army, plans are shifted for later crying . Some mysterious secret benefits we get from the generous distribution of loans, maybe someday.
          1. Oden280
            Oden280 24 September 2013 18: 06
            +1
            Not a secret. Rollback and cut.
        2. GDP
          GDP 24 September 2013 17: 20
          14
          In Vietnam, the economic situation is now favorable. They can give loans ... The main thing is that the shipyards do not stand. There will be more orders from the defense industry and there will be more and we have weapons ...
          1. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 25 September 2013 06: 27
            +1
            And where are these orders, over the years through the stump of a deck?
            One chatter.
        3. Edward72
          Edward72 24 September 2013 17: 30
          0
          So I have the same question, they will pay with asterisks and t-shirts.
        4. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 24 September 2013 18: 02
          +4
          Quote: Povshnik
          and we give Vietnam a loan, and how will it return?

          Do they have oil there
          Vietsovpetro
        5. Yura
          Yura 24 September 2013 19: 02
          +7
          Quote: Povshnik
          I do not understand, we have no money for our aircraft

          Quote: Povshnik
          and Vietnam give a loan

          Maybe all this is because Vietnam is the only country on the other side that is not afraid to take China for eggs if that? By the way, they unscrewed the United States, and now this American country is geymocratic.
        6. alone
          alone 24 September 2013 19: 10
          -1
          Quote: Povshnik
          I don’t understand, we don’t have money for our aircraft, we refused to purchase the MiG-35, and we give Vietnam a loan, and what will it return? They don't have enough rice themselves, Vietnamese shitty clothes?


          Well, why just rice? They themselves need rice. Vietnamese migrant workers will repay the loan) wassat
        7. Heccrbq .2
          Heccrbq .2 24 September 2013 20: 11
          0
          As the song sings --- this is your homeland, son, they don’t choose it laughing
      2. slacker
        slacker 24 September 2013 18: 59
        11
        Vietnam, if that, will fight for us ???


        Any Vietnam war for itself against the United States, its allies or against China is tantamount to a war for Russian interests.
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 24 September 2013 15: 53
      23
      It would be good for us to return to Kamran ... The base of the Russian Navy in Vietnam, who do not know ...
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 16: 13
        +8
        ShturmKGB
        It would be good for us to return to Kamran ... The base of the Russian Navy in Vietnam, who do not know ...

        If you know where to get ships for the base ?? To weaken the already bending fleets? I don’t understand either. For ourselves, we can’t, for others, please. The state is not able to provide one and a half shipyard orders? And so with all types of weapons ...
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 24 September 2013 20: 20
          +8
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          The state is not able to provide one and a half shipyard orders? And so with all types of weapons ...

          The bulk of the funds goes to purchase strategic weapons, so small shipbuilding companies do not have their orders. And it is very good that the capacities were loaded with other orders: workers' wages, factory development, state income (so far deferred). Debt restructuring - oil, coffee, precious woods. Perhaps at the expense of rental PMTO. We are also going to build nuclear power plants there.
          I saw them "Cheetahs". These are little "skerry" missile cruisers! Now PLO ships are being bought, and the submarines themselves, too. They know how to fight, they have enough courage (they have nothing to lose), so serious guys will get modern technology and the neighbors will have to be considered.
      2. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 24 September 2013 16: 33
        +6
        ShturmKGB
        It would be good for us to return to Kamran ... The base of the Russian Navy in Vietnam, who do not know ...

        In the course, we've been there more than once. Returning there not just "would not be bad", but vital in the future. As well as to Cuba, Ethiopia, Indonesia, and many other places.
    3. Sirs
      Sirs 24 September 2013 16: 36
      +9
      In Ulan-Ude at the shipyard in Soviet times, they made boats. Now there is no enterprise, but there are shopping centers at this place.
      so that war is war, and in order to fight normally it is necessary to restore and develop manufacturing enterprises.
    4. Quiet
      Quiet 24 September 2013 21: 41
      +1
      Vietnam, if that, will fight for us ???

      I doubt it ... negative They all trade in markets in Moscow ... wassat
      1. poquello
        poquello 25 September 2013 01: 15
        +1
        Quote: Quiet
        Vietnam, if that, will fight for us ???

        I doubt it ... negative They all trade in markets in Moscow ... wassat

        not only in Moscow, but those who trade will be
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 24 September 2013 23: 06
      0
      Quote: Denis
      Vietnam, if that, will fight for us ??? smile


      He will smoke if he starts to fight. Purely my opinion - on credit it is possible but not as plentiful as they say.
  2. sven27
    sven27 24 September 2013 15: 42
    +3
    We do not have time to build ourselves, but for export!
  3. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 15: 42
    +8
    I propose to those who are screaming about what needs to be built for their own fleet to calm down. They are also building for their own fleet. Ships for Vietnam are paid with real money and will block a certain sector of the Pacific Ocean from the Americans.
    1. ElektriK123
      ElektriK123 24 September 2013 16: 28
      +5
      If they are not with the Americans together.
    2. Denis_Rossiya
      Denis_Rossiya 24 September 2013 17: 35
      -1
      The fact of the matter is that, together with the Americans, they will overlap. And we still sell them the remnants of our technology along with the ships. About real money, too, everything is vaguely .... because the article mentions credit.
    3. Nayhas
      Nayhas 24 September 2013 19: 05
      -1
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      ships for Vietnam are paid with real money and will block a certain sector of the Pacific Ocean from the Americans.

      Money is credit, and the Americans, oddly enough, sound the allies of Vietnam.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 24 September 2013 20: 32
        +7
        Quote: Nayhas
        and the Americans, oddly enough, sound the allies of Vietnam.

        Oh how! Facts to the studio! Contracts, joint exercises, the purchase of weapons and military equipment? Joint speeches at the UN.
        The Vietnamese will never forget and never forgive what SASHA did with the SRV (DRV). Songmi is worth something! Pesticides and defoliants still poison and kill Vietnamese. This is not forgiven! And the Vietnamese are patient by nature and do not forgive offenses (it is not correct to say "vindictive", it is!).
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 24 September 2013 21: 04
          -1
          Of course, I sympathize with the Vietnamese, but China is growing nearby .. It’s interesting what are the prospects for relations between the two countries and whether there are reasons for rivalry. And the example of how America makes a faithful ally from a mortal enemy is also close. Japan. Besides the predatory nature, America has an enviable property. They know how to make alliances. Regards hi )
        2. poquello
          poquello 24 September 2013 21: 19
          +5
          I agree completely. I read posts and wonder - what tries are the allies of the amers, what people will forgive when they did this to him.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 24 September 2013 21: 46
            -2
            http://republic.com.ua/article/25496-Ministr-oborony-SShA-posetil-byvshuYu-rossi
            yskuYu-bazu.html http://www.svoim.info/201229/?29_6_9
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 25 September 2013 01: 56
              +1
              Vietnam was able to find a strategic ally in the face of its old partner - India, which has been actively developing the doctrine of "East View" since the 90s and striving to gain a foothold in Southeast Asia. In the fall of 2011, the Indian oil and gas corporation Videsh and the Vietnamese PetroVietnam signed a three-year partnership agreement for the development of the South China Sea oil and gas fields. Strengthening the ties of Hanoi and New Delhi led to an even greater aggravation of Vietnam-China relations. China Energy News has published an article calling on India and Vietnam to break off the oil deal and threatening to prevent it from being realized. Despite the fact that both states adhere to the communist ideology, China remains the main threat to Vietnam’s national security. After more than 30 years of confrontation, tensions between Beijing and Hanoi in the South China Sea (which the East Sea is called in Vietnam) increase. Vietnam’s claims to a large part of the South China Sea, to the Spratly and Paracel islands are becoming more and more displeased with India. Southeast Asia is becoming more confident and ready to cooperate with Vietnam to aggravate its relations with China. The USA became another partner of Vietnam in its opposition to Chinese ambitions in the region. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Hanoi and Washington headed for overcoming the hostility left over from the Vietnam War. In 2000, the United States Secretary of Defense visited Vietnam for the first time after the war. In 2010 and 2011, the United States and Vietnam conducted joint naval exercises, which were immediately called by the military leadership of the PRC “inappropriate.” Http://vpk.name/news/68156_pod_bokom_u_drakona.html
          2. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 22: 14
            +2
            I agree completely. I read posts and wonder - what tries are the allies of the amers, what people will forgive when they did this to him.
            Yes Yes. Here, in general, you can often subtract any nonsense.
          3. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 25 September 2013 07: 41
            +1
            But what about Russia and Germany, not allies, but friendship cannot be spilled with water.
            1. poquello
              poquello 25 September 2013 21: 34
              +1
              Quote: sasha.28blaga
              But what about Russia and Germany, not allies, but friendship cannot be spilled with water.

              But is Germany really fascist?
          4. sven27
            sven27 25 September 2013 17: 05
            +1
            Quote: poquello
            I agree completely. I read posts and wonder - what tries are the allies of the amers, what people will forgive when they did this to him.

            The Japanese, for example, have forgiven Amers for atomic bombing, now they are allies!
            1. poquello
              poquello 25 September 2013 21: 52
              +1
              Quote: sven27
              Quote: poquello
              I agree completely. I read posts and wonder - what tries are the allies of the amers, what people will forgive when they did this to him.

              The Japanese, for example, have forgiven Amers for atomic bombing, now they are allies!


              Japan in the war acted as an aggressor, those formally it was not genocide, but exceeding the limits of self-defense.
  4. Alikovo
    Alikovo 24 September 2013 16: 02
    +1
    Vietnam-balcony of Asia, has a strategic position. Here they are buying your weapons.
  5. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 24 September 2013 16: 07
    +5
    Well, the Vietnamese are buying not only us naval equipment:
    So, in 1997, two mini-submarines of the Sang-O type were purchased from the DPRK, which became the first submarines of the Vietnamese fleet, and according to Vietnamese sources, payment for them was carried out by the commodity supply of rice to the DPRK. The boats were based at Cam Ranh, but by now, apparently, have already been withdrawn from the Vietnamese fleet.
    http://gunm.ru/news/podlodki_tipa_sang_o_vms_vetnama/2011-11-14-639

    Both are small submarines of the Vietnam Navy Sang-O type. Picture of the nineties

    Currently, Vietnam has ordered from the Netherlands two corvettes of the SIGMA 9814 project (in the designation of the project, the number "98" means the length of the ship in meters, and "14" - the width). The ships will be equipped with modern western weapons, the supply of electronic weapons will be carried out by Thales Nederland. The final contract should be finalized by the end of the year. The construction of one ship, presumably, will be carried out at the Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) in Vlissingen, and the second corvette, apparently, should be assembled in Vietnam at one of the Damen enterprises. The Damen Group is now playing a key role in the development of Vietnamese shipbuilding by participating in joint ventures in six Vietnamese shipyards, including the major Damen Song Cam Shipyard under construction in Haiphong.
    The cost of the contract with Vietnam for the construction of two corvettes of the SIGMA 9814 project has not been named, but it can be estimated to reach 500 million euros. It is reported that "the Dutch government is involved in financing the project" (apparently in the form of government guarantees).
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/tag/%D1%84%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B

    Two SIGMA type ships built by the Damen Shipyards Group for the Moroccan Navy - FIG 613 Tarik Ben Ziyad frigate of the SIGMA 10513 project on the left, FIG 614 Sultan Moulay Ismail frigate of the SIGMA 9813 project. Eimeiden (Netherlands), 21.03.2013 (c) scheepsfoto / www. shipspotting.com
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 24 September 2013 20: 04
      +1
      A really scary neighbor and a huge sea border.
      Our fears are "resting".
  6. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 24 September 2013 16: 11
    +5
    Not only in Russia

    The Dutch web site www.nrc.nl, citing a statement from a spokesman for Damen Shipyards Gorinchem in the Dutch city of Gorinheim (part of the Damen Shipyards Group), reports that the Damen Shipyards Group, after lengthy negotiations, has finally reached an agreement to build for the Navy Vietnam, two corvettes of the SIGMA 9814 project (in the designation of the project, the number "98" means the length of the ship in meters, and "14" - the width). The ships will be equipped with modern western weapons, and Thales Nederland will supply electronic weapons. The final contract should be finalized by the end of the year. The construction of one ship, presumably, will be carried out at the Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) in Vlissingen, and the second corvette, apparently, should be assembled in Vietnam at one of the Damen enterprises. The Damen Group is now playing a key role in the development of Vietnamese shipbuilding by participating in joint ventures in six Vietnamese shipyards, including the major Damen Song Cam Shipyard under construction in Haiphong.

    Arming against China. No one has forgotten or forgiven Chinese aggression and the occupied Paracel Islands.
  7. ElektriK123
    ElektriK123 24 September 2013 16: 17
    0
    We are interesting people. Some Vietnamese will produce ships, but to us what? Will we swim on the boats? Well now, in comparison with the Yeltsin period, at least something is being done, but still ... Somehow, everything is not in large numbers.
  8. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 24 September 2013 16: 20
    +4
    If I don’t confuse, Vietnam has good oil reserves on the shelf. You understand, a tidbit. wink Because they do not skimp on their Navy, then all this will be beaten off yes
  9. sven27
    sven27 24 September 2013 16: 23
    +4
    Quote: Grishka100watt
    will overlap a certain sector of the Pacific Ocean from the Americans.

    Well, where did such information come from?
  10. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 24 September 2013 16: 37
    +7
    Meeting sworn friends
    The newest Vietnamese patrol ship HQ-011 Đinh Tiên Hoàng, Russian-built project 11661E ("Cheetah-3.9"), is heading on a collision course with the new Chinese frigate Huangshan (tail number "570", in service since 2008) of project 054A from the Southern Fleet of the PLA Navy ...
    1. Tarpon
      Tarpon 24 September 2013 17: 21
      +2
      And "Cheetah-3.9" looks better!
      1. vostok1982
        vostok1982 24 September 2013 17: 59
        +2
        I don’t know, because both ships designed our smile
  11. Agent 008
    Agent 008 24 September 2013 17: 02
    +4
    This is a simple question, why are we driving everything over the hill ... Our Defense Ministry wants to buy everything for a penny at military factories, but normal money abroad ... - here's the answer ...
  12. mirag2
    mirag2 24 September 2013 17: 38
    0
    Well, God forbid, Vietnam got rich so much that it gives work to our factories! Well, it remains to lick its lips and dream that if the new Serdyukov’s income from these sales does not whistle, then something will break off for us.
  13. gameover65
    gameover65 24 September 2013 17: 39
    +1
    frigate, corvette .... it's all a mosquito fleet.
    we really need ocean ships, ships of the first rank.
    even a dozen frigates can do nothing with one destroyer of the first rank.
    even if they stick on super duper pcr. detection capabilities are different, if you do not take into account third-party target designation.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 24 September 2013 18: 45
      +4
      Quote: gameover65
      even a dozen frigates can do nothing with one destroyer of the first rank.


      And what is the destroyer (first rank) belay ), what does the frigate not have? And what ammunition of the destroyer to fight with a dozen frigates?
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 September 2013 20: 46
      +2
      Quote: gameover65
      even a dozen frigates can do nothing with one destroyer of the first rank.

      You are a major specialist, judging by the categorical judgments. Probably they counted the total salvo of anti-ship missiles, the tactical formation of the KUG-s, the possibility of a passive central command of the ambush group, etc. Well, if so, then please give the calculations, at least "on the knee". Yes, and I completely forgot! Consumption of EM 1 rank missiles for repelling 120-160 anti-ship missiles from frigates.
      I wish you success.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 24 September 2013 21: 35
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        a major specialist, judging by the categorical judgments.


        Unfortunately, categorical judgments, as a rule, testify to a user who has picked up a show-off. Or a loser. Especially touches "1 rank destroyer". My dream is to learn more about a rank 2, rank 3 destroyer. Well, if possible, about a destroyer from the group of boats lol
  14. Koronik
    Koronik 24 September 2013 17: 56
    +3
    frigate, corvette .... it's all a mosquito fleet.
    we really need ocean ships, ships of the first rank.
    Here is the answer. I think that all the same, the Russian fleet restoration program will be implemented and 70% renewal will take place by 2020.
  15. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 24 September 2013 18: 24
    +1
    here we ourselves would have to have these Cheetahs ... and more ... especially at the Pacific Fleet .... and we are Vietnamese ... and so on ...
  16. Agent 008
    Agent 008 24 September 2013 18: 42
    +3
    Everything is logical: Vietnamese sellers from "Vietnamese" markets throughout the country send money home, then Vietnam buys our boats with our own money, and our money goes home to Russia ... And we again go to the Vietnamese market ... Business, however. ..
    1. rugor
      rugor 24 September 2013 19: 38
      +2
      Even such a scheme is not required. We build ships at our shipyards with our money and give them back to the Vietnamese, such as on credit. The old ones were written off, now we give new ones. It turns out we give.
  17. New Russia
    New Russia 24 September 2013 19: 34
    +2
    Thanks to Vietnam. That they didn’t let our shipbuilding die at all
  18. Brave
    Brave 24 September 2013 20: 56
    +2
    An old friend is better than two new ones.
  19. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 24 September 2013 21: 05
    +1
    Vietnam in 2010 and 2011. were delivered two sets of PBRK K-300P "Bastion-P". Vietnam became the first customer of Bastion, signing in 2006 a contract for the supply of two sets of PBRK.

    This suggests that the Vietnamese are seriously preparing for the possible movements of China. And the construction of landing ships testifies to the readiness of the SRV Navy to strengthen its land grouping on the islands.
    Judging by the composition of the SRV fleet, they are preparing to repel the amphibious landing. SRV ordered 2 more "Bastion" complexes.
  20. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 September 2013 21: 21
    +4
    If we do not give a loan, others will gladly give it.
    In the West, a mother will be sold for such a market and will become a knee-elbow.
    The position of some comrades is not very clear, they shout, the country is sitting on an oil needle, it is necessary to develop production and trade in high-tech products with high added value. They begin to sell complex engineering products, again they shout why they are selling. It’s time to decide on the position.
  21. 020205
    020205 24 September 2013 22: 44
    0
    nor how again the amers are afraid ...
  22. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 24 September 2013 23: 54
    0
    It’s a pity that we only rivet old things. It’s necessary to work out new technologies. It’s hard to push the marriage here and remember how to work. And the fact that on credit is something you can buy from them.
  23. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 25 September 2013 06: 23
    +1
    Does anyone seriously believe that, carrying out various orders from Indians, Vietnamese and others ... the rapid rise of shipbuilding, investment there, etc. These are all illusions. First of all, we are fulfilling our obligations to the United States to disarm our fleet with our own hands, and most of the money doesn’t flow to the budget, not to the workers in the shipyards, but to the pockets (on accounts) of a narrow circle of people.
    Quote: New Russia-Thanks to Vietnam. That our shipbuilding was not allowed to die at all, it will still be useful to us;
    Agent 08: Everything is logical: Vietnamese sellers from "Vietnamese" markets across the country send money home, then Vietnam buys our boats with our own money, and our money goes home to Russia ... And again we go to the Vietnamese market ... Business however ...
    The staff members only applaud loudly, knowing full well that no Vietnamese would protect us. And we are left naked ...
    It remains to finish the remnants of the ships to someone on cool cars and you can put an end to the fact that we are a country and worth something!
  24. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 24 May 2014 00: 53
    0
    Salam, AB salt (G) to the new winner of the Miova KUB ka.

    I just reiterate that to come up with to burn your people alive - it can only be a moral one + ROD, not to be confused with AI ... under


    Once again I find out that Ukrainians get cancer - I’ll tell all of Asia, at whose expense Ham exists ...


    Allah Cool, AK .... thief - 13 one



    "SALYAM ALEYKUM BEVERLEY HILLS"
  25. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 24 May 2014 00: 58
    0
    Well, what are sexually transmitted, maybe the Japanese subway is enough to infect?


    PiEs: if there is a chance to return from Venus, then from the Sun - NIL! YES, I forgot, Minsk mercury does not roll ... We are more than a bear .... As EESx sings apilia Riana "I will always be here"
  26. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 28 July 2014 16: 58
    0
    Quote: Kostya pedestrian
    Salam, AB salt (G) to the new winner of the Miova KUB ka.

    I just reiterate that to come up with to burn your people alive - it can only be a moral one + ROD, not to be confused with AI ... under


    Once again I find out that Ukrainians get cancer - I’ll tell all of Asia, at whose expense Ham exists ...


    Allah Cool, AK .... thief - 13 one



    "SALYAM ALEYKUM BEVERLEY HILLS"




    I cross out the word "Ukrainian". Now either the Russians, or the Khokhlushki - in the family.