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CSTO summit in Sochi: around Syria, claims of Sargsyan and the southern borders

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During the week (23 of September) a summit of the CSTO member states (Collective Security Treaty Organization) was held in the Sochi sanatorium “Rus”. The presidents of Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, Belarus and Tajikistan gathered in Sochi to hold the summit. Kazakhstan this time was represented by Prime Minister Serik Akhmetov. At the Sochi summit, the presidency of this military-political alliance passed from Kyrgyzstan to Russia. Summing up his presidency in the CSTO, Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev was extremely brief:


During the period of our chairmanship, good progress was achieved. Perhaps it just coincided. But I think we have worked well.


Vladimir Putin took over the baton from the Kyrgyz leader, who outlined several main directions for the work of the CSTO:

Strengthening cooperation to ensure security at the external borders of the CSTO.

Increasing the effectiveness of joint training of management bodies and formations of individual components of the Organization’s collective security system.

Systematic preparation of the Organization’s peacekeeping forces for participation in regional peacekeeping operations.

The need to effectively combat contemporary challenges, including the threat, as Putin put it, “transfusion” of terrorism from other countries (using the example of the terrorist attack in Kenya), as well as the threat of drug trafficking in the region (Afghan drug trafficking).

Improving coordination of CSTO member states on security issues.

CSTO cooperation with other international organizations.


CSTO summit in Sochi: around Syria, claims of Sargsyan and the southern borders


If we talk about the topics most discussed at the summit, we can highlight the topic of Syria, the topic of protecting the Tajik-Afghan border, as well as the issue related to certain claims of the Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan to some members of the Organization.

On the Syrian issue, those gathered were unanimous. All supported the Russian initiative to take the Syrian chemical weapon under international control, as everyone said, and for the need to solve the Syrian conflict exclusively through diplomacy. The heads of the CSTO member states prepared a joint statement calling on all the warring parties to sit down at the negotiating table and resolve the situation in the legal field.

The organization’s general secretary, Nikolai Bordyuzha, noted that the CSTO did not calculate the Organization’s options for action if the United States (or any other country) had struck Syria. They did not calculate it because the CSTO, as the representatives of the top of this military-political institute themselves say, is positioning itself as a regional structure that cares primarily about the security of those countries that are part of the CSTO.

It would seem that such a diplomatic language, by definition, cannot lead to internal friction within the Organization, but such friction has proved itself. The fact is that the President of Armenia Sargsyan, speaking at the Sochi summit, sharply criticized those states that are members of the CSTO and at the same time “on the side” accept negative resolutions in relation to other states of the Organization. Sargsyan touched upon this topic after three Central Asian members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan) adopted a resolution some time ago at the site of the Islamic Cooperation Organization (OIC) saying that the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh should be resolved exclusively in the plane of Azerbaijani territorial integrity. And although Sargsyan, as they say, did not poke anyone inside the CSTO, the representatives of Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan clearly understood that this was a stone in their garden. Adoption, quote of the “anti-Armenian resolutions” the Armenian President considered a double game, from which the CSTO only loses.

But this statement of Sargsyan poses a very difficult question to the entire Organization. On the one hand, the CSTO seems to be doing well: joint training operations are conducted, the development of the management system and interstate cooperation is evident, a communique is adopted, signatures are put under single documents. But it is, let's say, the front side of the work. And there is also a rather unsightly wrong side, which, the aforementioned Serzh Sargsyan learned and demonstrated to all.

It turns out that Armenia in the organization goes with the promise: they say, if we are all members of the CSTO, then we must and support each other in a military and political manner; If we assume that someone does not support someone here, then the very existence of the Organization in this regard looks doubtful. At the same time, Sargsyan does not discover America: all this is spelled out in the Collective Security Treaty. A specific example is a couple of articles from this Treaty.

Art.2: The participating States will consult with each other on all important international security issues affecting their interests and coordinate positions on these issues.

In the event of a threat to the security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty of one or several participating States or a threat to international peace and security, the participating States immediately initiate a mechanism of joint consultation to coordinate their positions, develop and take measures to assist such States participants in order to eliminate the threat.


St.4:
If one of the participating States is subjected to aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty), it will be considered by the participating States as aggression (armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) to all states parties to this Agreement.

In the event of an aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) to any of the participating States, all other participating States will, at the request of that participating State, immediately provide it with the necessary assistance, including military, as well as support from their disposal of funds in the exercise of the right to collective defense in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter.

States parties shall promptly notify the United Nations Security Council of the measures taken under this article. In implementing these measures, the participating States will adhere to the relevant provisions of the UN Charter.


It is obvious that Armenia more than anyone else (at least for now) is trying to squeeze the most out of the Treaty. Sargsyan’s words are not only a message to all the CSTO members to recall the letter of this Treaty itself, but also give head to the main goals of Armenia’s accession to the Organization. This goal is obvious - an attempt to solve the Karabakh issue at any suitable moment using the forces and means of the CSTO. But the fact is that today not all members of the Organization are ready to express solidarity with Yerevan. Supported by the official Bishkek, Astana and Dushanbe "anti-Armenian" resolution in the OIC - example number one. The words of the authorities of Kazakhstan that in the event of an escalation of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh (NKR), the Kazakh military will not take part in it both on the side of Armenia (member of the CSTO) and in the conflict in general. The main reason is that, according to official Astana, the current status of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic does not threaten the security of Armenia.

Summarizing all the above, it turns out that the situation in the CSTO is not at all cloudless. If we return to the painful question of the NKR, then the participating countries clearly do not want to consult on them with each other, trying to get away from the unpleasant conversation. Sargsyan is trying with all his might to remind everyone of the second article of the Collective Security Treaty. For the time being, the Armenian president is simply patted on the shoulder, as if to say: Serge, old man, calm down, don't force up, there is no threat to your country, and therefore your appeals are deprived of soil. But how much the Armenian leader is ready to take this calm from other CSTO members is a separate question. If not ready, then the CSTO may well turn into a kind of mini-clone of NATO, where a number of states are trying to resolve their territorial and other issues solely through membership in the alliance. Of course, this would not be at all desirable, but it is impossible to dismiss the probability of becoming a clone completely.

During the summit, a problem was discussed that could be related to the upcoming withdrawal of the International Security Assistance Force contingent from Afghanistan. The main concern is not only an increase in the volume of drug flows along the northern route (through Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Russia), but also a possible “transfusion” of extremist activity. In this regard, the CSTO addressed the issue of strengthening the Tajik-Afghan border with an additional military contingent. Not so long ago, by the way, the Russian ambassador to Afghanistan spoke about this. He said that Russia is considering the possibility of transferring its border guards to the Tajik-Afghan border.

Recall that the Russian border guards were on combat duty in the region until the 2005 year. Today, the border is guarded by Tajik border forces, exposing the same drug traffic is not the barrier that is expected of them. So far, no decision has been taken to send Russian and other border guards from the CSTO. The Secretary General of the Organization Bordyuzha noted that military personnel from Russia and other CSTO countries would not be sent to help Tajik border guards. But a decision was made on military-technical and financial assistance to the Tajik MF and other troops of the republic. For this, Russia is going to allocate more than 6 billion rubles (according to Kommersant). If this money is really allocated, it would be nice to establish control over their spending. True, not money can go to Tajikistan, but equipment, armament and ammunition for servicemen who are supposed to cover the borders of the CSTO from the south. In this case, I would like to hope that the allocated equipment and other things will not become easy prey for forces that can "spill over" into Tajikistan from Afghanistan after the recall from Barack Obama of his "falcons bearing freedom" from the latter.
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  1. Essenger
    Essenger 25 September 2013 08: 31
    13 th
    Let Sargsyan not blather. I am absolutely violet on the security of Armenia. No one forgot what the Dashnaks did in Turkestan at the beginning of the 20th century. Companions of these terrorists are now sitting in parliament.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 25 September 2013 08: 39
      +6
      The article is nothing new. It has always been said that Armenia wants to "rake the heat" with someone else's hands. They always wanted to use the CSTO only as a shield against Azerbaijan. Although Armenia itself is not in danger. But other countries can easily be dragged into the war by provocation. Strangely, Sargsyan thinks that the Central Asian countries should determine their foreign policy at his behest - how dare they recognized the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan without asking his permission. I can’t imagine Armenian contingent covering the Afghan border or elsewhere. As always, everyone owes them something.
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 25 September 2013 09: 45
      20
      Quote: Essenger
      Let Sargsyan not blather. I am absolutely violet on the security of Armenia. No one forgot what the Dashnaks did in Turkestan at the beginning of the 20th century. Companions of these terrorists are now sitting in parliament.

      And let's remember the primitive communal system! And, yes, I forgot "what the Dashnaks did in Turkestan at the beginning of the 20th century." And I advise you not to remember. And if the memory itches so much, let the nuclear weapons go around Berlin for 1941! Then across Paris in 1812. And then across Mongolia and Kazan for the Mongol-Tatar yoke. Wherever the Empire came, elites changed. And blood was pouring everywhere. But after the 1917 revolution, the government was with eggs and all centrifugal sentiments stopped.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 25 September 2013 10: 15
        14 th
        Quote: Mitek
        And I advise you not to remember.

        Thank you, I will not take your advice.

        Quote: Mitek
        And if the reminder is itching so much, let's fling nuclear weapons around Berlin for 1941! Then in Paris for 1812. And then in Mongolia and Kazan for the yoke of the Mongol-Tatar.


        Well shy, what am I? I regard these events as neutral.
    3. T80UM1
      T80UM1 25 September 2013 12: 36
      0
      In this case, I support, Armenia is an aggressor and occupier country, I am against its presence in the CSTO! It would be better if Azerbaijan was there. In case of war, Kazakhstan will be on the side of Azerbaijan, as will Turkey.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 25 September 2013 13: 15
        -3
        Thank you for your objectivity! Azerbaijan refrains from entering into any alliances against anyone. And only warm feelings have always been felt for Kazakhstan.
        1. hommer
          hommer 25 September 2013 14: 42
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          Azerbaijan refrains from entering into any alliances against anyone


          We repeat again Kazakhstan will block any decisions in the CSTO that will harm Azerbaijan.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 25 September 2013 18: 33
            12
            Quote: hommer
            We repeat once again, Kazakhstan will block any decisions in the CSTO

            Are you working in the power structures of Kazakhstan differently? Or are you the President of Kazakhstan yourself? How do you speak about yourself in the plural
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 21
              +2
              And why not here, many of my compatriots just the same relate to the power and power structures, unlike most patriots cheers. If I were you, I would try to conduct a cultural and correct conversation, because you are forming an opinion about your country ...
          2. evgeny1td
            evgeny1td 25 September 2013 20: 54
            +8
            and all because you are Türks
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 35
              +1
              No, because we are for justice. And I'm not Kazakh, but Korean.
            2. habalog
              habalog 1 October 2013 15: 21
              0
              inciting ethnic hatred detected
          3. helg717
            helg717 27 September 2013 16: 46
            +1
            Already it will not work to block. The CSTO has new statutory documents. 5 for - 1 against, 5 perform - 1 does not interfere. CSTO is not NATO
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        1. smersh70
          smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 58
          +2
          Quote: Marrying
          Your vaunted Azerbaijan.


          .. thanks for the flattering reviews drinks
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 06
            +4
            smersh70 No offense, but I do not hide my attitude towards Azerbaijan, the policy of your state is aggressive and I consider your country an aggressor, I’m not talking about the whole people, there are good and bad everywhere.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 25 September 2013 17: 14
              +2
              Quote: Marrying
              but I do not hide my attitude towards Azerbaijan

              Your right.....
              Quote: Marrying
              the policy of your state is aggressive and I consider your country an aggressor

              THAT is YES !!!))))) the neighbor came .. occupied your 20% .and you still want to return all this and become an aggressor laughing this is not even here my friend wrote -stoik fellow
              in your opinion all Azerbaijan should be given to Armenia wassat
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 19
                +5
                smersh70 Kaliningrad former Koenigsberg, the whole region of Germany, their original lands, and what? In fact, it is also owned by Germany, but everyone has already come to terms, the winners are not judged, alas.
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 25 September 2013 18: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Marrying
                  former Koenigsberg, the whole region of Germany, their original lands, so what?

                  And the fact that their status was recognized by UN resolution, or whatever it is according to the results of the Second World War. And Karabakh, on the contrary, was recognized as seized territory. And all attempts to refer to what was previously not rolled up.
                  Although our spineless government surrenders whole areas
                  1. genisis
                    genisis 26 September 2013 10: 00
                    -1
                    And Karabakh, on the contrary, is recognized as a seized territory


                    Where is it recognized? And by whom?

                    From the UN resolution (see text below) "demands the immediate cessation of all hostilities and the immediate, complete and unconditional withdrawal of the occupying forces participating in the conflict from the Agdam region and all other recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan"

                    Where is there even a word about Karabakh ???

                    Ask the local zakavtura what other areas were "occupied" at the time of the adoption of this, already repeated resolution in July 1993.
                    And then ask how many more districts they lost by May 1994, in connection with their stubborn desire to resolve the issue by force.
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Marrying
                  their original lands and what

                  laughing
                  let's say the same thing to the Armenians)))) so why in our case are you for them, and in your case, you are against the Germans ....

                  please express your position on Chechnya and the Kuril Islands ...
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 26 September 2013 11: 49
                    -2
                    And what about Chechnya and the Kuril Islands? Chechnya is part of Russia. They tried to pull out by force - it didn’t work. The Kuril Islands are also part of Russia. Who is to blame for the fact that in the WWII the Japs and I ended up on opposite sides of the barricades and soaked the Japs?
                    And here you are from the question that you are a separatist in relation to the USSR specifically moved out, or else wait for an answer?
                3. Our
                  Our 21 December 2013 02: 11
                  +1
                  So This Earth is Repelled and conquered by Our grandfathers from the aggressor. They attacked, we piled them Luley for one, and they drove from them. And here it is about the land and territory of one state occupied by another. And in every possible way trying to draw all other countries into the conflict. We have no sons who are ready to Kill thieves' gangs for Ambition.
              2. Gari
                Gari 25 September 2013 17: 37
                +5
                Quote: smersh70
                in your opinion all Azerbaijan should be given to Armenia

                We don’t need to give anything else to us, we returned historically to us from the time when you didn’t have a state, and your ancestors, the Caucasian Tatars, lived first in khanates belonging to Persia, and then in the Russian Empire, probably already read all this was written in great detail on this site.
                But who exactly considers his own and everyone is waiting in the wings to return their northern lands you can read
                Iran threatens Azerbaijan ("The National Interest", USA)
                Iran has long been at odds with the Sunni Gulf states that are allies of the United States. But earlier this month, Iranian lawmakers opened a new front, threatening another American ally, Azerbaijan. They hinted that they could “sweep it off the map”, like Israel, as a result of which Azerbaijan will cease to exist as an independent state.
                ......
                Read more:

                http://inosmi.ru/world/20130430/208597424.html
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 13
                  -2
                  Quote: Gari
                  We don’t have to give anything else to us, we returned something that belonged to us historically from the time when you


                  exactly the same speech of Hitler and Goebbels at a rally in Nuremberg ... laughing
              3. evgeny1td
                evgeny1td 25 September 2013 20: 58
                +8
                Armenians used to be 10-20 centuries on this earth
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 40
                  0
                  Quote: evgeny1td
                  Armenians used to be 10-20 centuries on this earth


                  why so little laughing take it higher !!!! and deeper! centuries that way 40-50..and they created the earth .... and generally the Universe good
            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 25 September 2013 18: 24
              -1
              Honestly, I know a lot of people who went to this site and read the comments of subjects such as wives hated Russia with fierce hatred. And you ask why nobody loves you.
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                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 40
                  0
                  Quote: evgeny1td
                  I shit on you


                  when there are no arguments, physical processes go to business ... laughing wassat
              2. T80UM1
                T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 33
                +1
                Usually, before writing, any person thinks, but some first give vent to emotions, unfortunately, even in the KZ, among the Russians there are such subjects as Zhenya, living in Kazakhstan, they manage to spit in the well from which they drink, and after emigrating they continue to pour mud. Fortunately, Kazakhs are not vindictive and have tolerance ...
              3. Our
                Our 21 December 2013 02: 14
                +1
                don't understand)))))))))) 0
            3. T80UM1
              T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 10
              +2
              And I do not hide my attitude towards Armenia! the policy of this state resembles throwing from one camp to another! If you protect them it's your problem. I consider their country an aggressor and I also do not speak about the people! Now compare with your post and think!
              1. Arminian power
                Arminian power 12 October 2013 20: 36
                0
                who will you be by nationality ???
            4. kNow
              kNow 26 September 2013 11: 35
              +3
              Quote: Marrying
              and I consider your country an aggressor

              and whose country have we occupied?
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 26 September 2013 11: 51
                0
                and whose country have we occupied?


                The NKR, however, tried, but failed. Now get ready again. However, you can pick up saliva. Rodents also rolled out the sponge, only got a lip-rolling machine in the form of the 58 army.
                1. kNow
                  kNow 26 September 2013 17: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: alicante11
                  The NKR, however, tried, but failed. Now get ready again. However, you can pick up saliva. Rodents also rolled out the sponge, only got a lip-rolling machine in the form of the 58 army.

                  what a cool tv smart, however ... why do we need "nkr" to occupy, Karabakh was already a part of Azerbaijan, think of something smarter ...
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 27 September 2013 06: 40
                    -2
                    So she left, from the composition of Azerbaijan in the same way and on the same grounds that Azerbaijan itself was from the USSR. So everything is all right. And it’s not me smart, but you, apparently, are not smart enough if you can’t understand this.
                    1. kNow
                      kNow 27 September 2013 07: 26
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      So she left, from the composition of Azerbaijan in the same way and on the same grounds that Azerbaijan itself was from the USSR. So everything is all right. And it's not me smart, and you, apparently, are not smart enough if you cannot understand this.

                      I do not insist laughing I have already explained in detail to one - there are slightly different procedures for secession from the USSR for the Union republics and autonomous regions. Here's the link:
                      http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Закон_СССР_от_3.04.1990_№_1409-I
                      understand if smart enough wink
                      1. alicante11
                        alicante11 27 September 2013 09: 02
                        -1
                        And you do not hide behind the procedures. You better tell me, are you separatists in relation to the USSR? Separatists. Then what are the claims against those who want to separate from you?
                      2. kNow
                        kNow 27 September 2013 09: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: alicante11
                        And you do not hide behind procedures

                        Yes, I do not care procedures winked
                        Quote: alicante11
                        You better tell me, are you separatists in relation to the USSR?

                        How can we be separatists in relation to the USSR if its leaders (by the way, not Azerbaijanis at all) destroyed the country? How can you separate from a country that no longer exists? if you don't know - in the referendum on the preservation of the USSR - the Azerbaijanis voted "for", unlike the Armenians ...

                        Quote: alicante11
                        Then what are the claims against those who want to separate from you?

                        Unlike the Union, Azerbaijan did not cease to exist
                      3. alicante11
                        alicante11 27 September 2013 11: 09
                        0
                        How can we be separatists in relation to the USSR if its leaders (by the way, not Azerbaijanis at all) destroyed the country? How can you separate from a country that no longer exists? if you don’t know - in the referendum on the preservation of the USSR - the Azerbaijanis voted "for", in contrast to the Armenians.


                        In fact, in fact - the country was. Yeltsin and Co. in Belovezhskaya Pushcha committed lawlessness; they were not the leaders of the USSR. And this lawlessness was not supposed to affect the fact that Azerbaijan was part of the USSR. In the end, you had your own KGB, your own police. There was a people that you could raise to defend the USSR. Troops were stationed on your territory, with which you were obliged to crush the Bialowieza rebellion. But you did not do this (like many others, of course), because you, too, were ready to dump the USSR (or rather, of course, not you people, but your leadership).

                        Unlike the Union, Azerbaijan did not cease to exist


                        De facto, yes. De jure, this violation is a violation and now you can with good reason collect all of you and put you in the USSR basket again (but we need to, however, feed you again and wait until you stick the knife in the back again).
                        But de facto NKR has been a decade as an independent state. So either come to the USSR or release the NKR.
                      4. kNow
                        kNow 27 September 2013 14: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: alicante11
                        In fact, in fact - the country was. Yeltsin and Co. in Belovezhskaya Pushcha committed lawlessness; they were not the leaders of the USSR. And this lawlessness was not supposed to affect the fact that Azerbaijan was part of the USSR. In the end, you had your own KGB, your own police. There was a people that you could raise to defend the USSR. Troops were stationed on your territory, with which you were obliged to crush the Bialowieza rebellion. But you did not do this (like many others, of course), because you, too, were ready to dump the USSR (or rather, of course, not you people, but your leadership).


                        nifigase recourse that is, the country's corrupt leadership was to make faces, and the union republic of Azerbaijan was supposed to send troops to Belarus? good you probably forget who the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other security forces obeyed?

                        If not a secret - how old are you?

                        Quote: alicante11
                        De facto, yes. De jure, this violation is a violation and now you can with good reason collect all of you and put you in the USSR basket again (but we need to, however, feed you again and wait until you stick the knife in the back again).
                        But de facto NKR has been a decade as an independent state. So either come to the USSR or release the NKR.


                        That's when you plant Gorbachev - then we'll talk about returning to the Union. And about feed - Azerbaijan was not subsidized, unlike your beloved Armenia, which does not get off your neck
                      5. alicante11
                        alicante11 27 September 2013 17: 50
                        0
                        nifigase, that is, the country's corrupt leadership was to make faces, and the union republic of Azerbaijan was supposed to send troops to Belarus?


                        Exactly. If you are so sensitive to issues of integrity and sovereignty. Otherwise, all your statements about sovereignty in favor of the poor and stupid. Whoever is on top is right. I found the USSR at a perfectly sane age. But he still had no opportunity to influence what was happening, especially since he was far from Moscow.

                        That's when you plant Gorbachev - then we'll talk about returning to the Union. And about feed - Azerbaijan was not subsidized, unlike your beloved Armenia, which does not get off your neck


                        And what does Gorbi have to do with it, you are your loved ones. As you fought for the integrity and sovereignty of the Union, please. Everyone should be responsible for themselves. You answered that you lost Karabakh. We answer much harder. But who deserved how much ...
                        And before Armenia, I personally had a drum. It’s just that Armenia, that Azerbaijan is a zone of influence of Russia. And you won’t get anywhere from here, unless you dump the States. So do not clap your wings, but rather relax and try to have fun.
                      6. kNow
                        kNow 28 September 2013 11: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: alicante11
                        As you fought for the integrity and sovereignty of the Union, please.

                        There was one war for the integrity and sovereignty of the Union - the Great Patriotic War - and we fought along with you.
                      7. alicante11
                        alicante11 29 September 2013 12: 10
                        0
                        Well, and in the second how? Already side?
                      8. kNow
                        kNow 7 October 2013 11: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: alicante11
                        Well, and in the second how? Already side?

                        my dear, are you killing me? winked when was the second time the Union was attacked?
      3. Arminian power
        Arminian power 12 October 2013 20: 37
        0
        hi
        Quote: alicante11
        So she left, from the composition of Azerbaijan in the same way and on the same grounds that Azerbaijan itself was from the USSR.
  • Our
    Our 21 December 2013 02: 05
    +1
    Yes, Stalin was an aggressor by concluding a leng lease agreement. And cleaning his lands from the Nazis.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 03
    +7
    Quote: Marrying
    And why the hell is Kazakhstan, I'm against the country in the CST

    Yes, we are all against the participation of KZ in the CSTO

    Quote: Marrying
    Your country pawn on a chessboard

    Who is your country? Rook? Well, the King certainly does not pull)))
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 09
      +2
      Essenger It is about the CSTO and the regional issue, but the King and, moreover, no one dare to challenge it ...
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 25 September 2013 18: 32
        +3
        Quote: Marrying
        Yes, the King and, moreover, no one dares to challenge it ...

        It seems that you don't care .. a naked king, not naked .. surrounded by loyal, non-loyal countries, you probably don't care that in such "non-loyal" countries there is a US fleet .... ah Azerbaijan as a State you do not like I really like the state of Ukraine wassat
        (in terms of relations with the Russian Federation).
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 20
        0
        Quote: Marrying
        It is about the CSTO and the regional issue


        Zhenya .. specially for YOU! And do not love us in the future .. laughing

        In Yerevan, more than a hundred people held a protest outside the presidential administration against the accession of Armenia to the Customs Union, Armenian media reported.
        The audience chanted "Russians, go away", "There is no return to the USSR". Several people were detained by the police for disturbing public order.
        The statement of President Serzh Sargsyan on Armenia’s intention to join the Customs Union and subsequently participate in the process of forming the Eurasian Union is a real threat to the independence and sovereignty of Armenia, the Free Democrats party said.
        The statement of the Board of Directors states that with the entry of Armenia into the Customs Union, the country loses such important attributes of independence as an independent foreign policy and the possibility of independent financial and technical activities. Customs and Eurasian unions are nothing more than the implementation of the imperialist encroachments of Russia and a step aimed at depriving the independence of the former Soviet states.
        “We consider it unacceptable to justify this step with the security issues of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh, since it is impossible to imagine a bigger blow to the security of Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh than weakening the foundations of the sovereignty and statehood of Armenia,” the statement said.
        Free Democrats called on all interested parties to unite and not allow bargaining out of Armenia’s sovereignty and independence
    2. ultra
      ultra 25 September 2013 17: 40
      +3
      Quote: Essenger
      Yes, we are all against the participation of KZ in the CSTO

      Well, hold a referendum for the exit. lol
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      2. Essenger
        Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 57
        +4
        Quote: ultra
        Quote: Essenger
        Yes, we are all against the participation of KZ in the CSTO

        Well, hold a referendum for the exit. lol

        Old senile does not allow to smuggle crying
        1. ultra
          ultra 26 September 2013 17: 18
          0
          Quote: Essenger
          Old senile does not allow to smuggle

          Why stand on ceremony with him? His resignation!
    3. Ulysses
      Ulysses 25 September 2013 20: 39
      +3
      Well, again, everyone got into a fight.
  • Scoun
    Scoun 25 September 2013 18: 24
    +6
    Quote: Marrying
    T80UM1 Aggressor? And why the hell is Kazakhstan, I'm against the country in the CST

    1. Do you even understand what you wrote? say fuck there Kazakhstan? read carefully ... I quote.

    Not calculated for the reason what the CSTO, as representatives of the top of this military-political institute themselves declare, they are positioning themselves as regional structure,

    2. the fact that a forum member with the Kazakhstan flag wrote that Armenia is an aggressor and an occupant, where is he lying?
    UNSC Resolution 853 (1993) of July 29, 1993

    Security CouncilReaffirming its resolution 822 (1993) of April 30, 1993, having considered the report of the Chairman of the Minsk Group of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe of July 27, 1993, expressing serious concern about the deterioration of relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan and ... .. the implementation of its resolution 822 (1993), in particular capture of the Agdam region in Azerbaijan, ...... in the region, Reaffirming the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan

    But I want to insert "two kopecks" - in attempts to recapture, we lost more.
    Even losing control of their territories, the leadership of Azerbaijan - both under A. Elchibey and under G. Aliyev - persisted in trying to achieve a turning point at the front and resolve the conflict by force. Trusting in it, it did not have the right to forget about the risks to its own territories,
    1. genisis
      genisis 25 September 2013 18: 45
      -4
      Security Council

      Reaffirming its resolution 822 (1993) of April 30, 1993,

      Expressing grave concern at the deterioration of relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan and the tension between them,

      Welcoming the adoption by stakeholders of an urgent action plan to implement its resolution 822 (1993),

      Noting with concern the escalation of hostilities and, in particular, the capture of the Agdam region in Azerbaijan,

      Concerned that this situation continues to threaten peace and security in the region,

      Reiterating its serious concern about the displacement of a large number of civilians in Azerbaijan and the humanitarian emergency in the region,

      Reaffirming the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and all other states in the region,

      Reaffirming also the inviolability of international borders and the inadmissibility of the use of force to acquire territory,

      1. Condemns the seizure of the Agdam region and all other recently occupied regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan;

      2. Also condemns all hostile acts in the region, in particular attacks on civilians and the bombing and shelling of populated areas;

      3. Demands the immediate cessation of all hostilities and the immediate, full and unconditional withdrawal of the occupying forces involved in the conflict from the Agdam region and all other recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan;

      4. Encourages the parties concerned to reach durable ceasefire agreements and to abide by them;

      ........

      9. Urges the Government of the Republic of Armenia to continue to exert its influence in order to ensure that the Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan comply with the provisions of resolution 822 (1993) and this resolution and that this party accepts the proposals of the Minsk Group;

      .....

      Adopted unanimously at the 3259 meeting.

      We carefully read paragraph 9.

      "strongly calls on the Government of the Republic of Armenia to continue to exert its influence in order to ensure compliance by the Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh region"

      the fact that a forum member with the Kazakhstan flag wrote that Armenia is an aggressor and an occupant, where is he lying?


      Armenia is just not a party to the conflict. Parties: Azerbaijan and the Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh region.
      And here is the Republic of Armenia ????
      1. kNow
        kNow 26 September 2013 11: 40
        0
        Quote: genisis
        Armenia is just not a party to the conflict. Parties: Azerbaijan and the Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh region.
        And here is the Republic of Armenia ????

        then why are you killing here?
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 25 September 2013 18: 30
    +1
    Zhenya, are you really rude or pretending to be? Who will stay on the site, and who doesn’t decide for you. I personally prefer to stay purely for medical interests - to observe you like that. You can write more than one volume on psychiatry
  • evgeny1td
    evgeny1td 25 September 2013 20: 56
    +1
    tough but fair!
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 07
    +1
    Listen to the fucking "militant" if you like Armenia or Karabakh separatists, take a Kalash and go there to defend them. There is such a thing as a referendum if we hold it, then you will support terrorists in Karabakh alone without us and all the other CSTO members understand! If you are the king on the chessboard, then the loss of all pieces and the loneliness of the king against all guarantee him a checkmate even with a pawn! so brains are important in a chess game, not your hurray-patriotism!
  • genisis
    genisis 25 September 2013 17: 09
    +5
    In this case, I support, Armenia is an aggressor and occupier country, I am against its presence in the CSTO


    Once again, Armenia did not fight with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan attacked the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. And she lost.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 25 September 2013 17: 16
      -2
      Quote: genisis
      Armenia did not fight with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan attacked the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. And she lost.


      fairy tales for waxepar readers, bully but not for visitors to the Military Review hi
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 25 September 2013 18: 38
      +5
      Quote: genisis
      Armenia did not fight with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan attacked the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

      Then why did the UN, OSCE, and the Minsk Group split Azerbaijan and Armenia in the corners and not Karabakh and Azerbaijan?
      I don’t understand that each side is trying only to highlight its advantageous sides while hiding the unsightly but not so clumsy, in fact, instead of each of the parties recognizing their mistakes and reaching a peace agreement, they are simply boldly trolling each other.
      When Armenia says, and we will hold a referendum, Azerbaijan says it is necessary to return the refugees of Azerbaijanis, and this is essentially not realistic. In the General swing, but I hope they will come to a solution to this issue in a peaceful way without bloodshed.
      1. genisis
        genisis 25 September 2013 18: 52
        +4
        Then why did the UN, OSCE, and the Minsk Group split Azerbaijan and Armenia in the corners and not Karabakh and Azerbaijan?


        Once again, paragraph 9 of resolution 853 (1993) of July 29, 1993: "urges the government of the Republic of Armenia to continue to exert its influence in order to ensure that the Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan comply with the provisions of resolution 822 (1993) and this resolution and that this party accepts the proposals of the Minsk group "

        Those. "The observance of the Nagorno-Karabakh region by the Armenians" is the side of the conflict and Azerbaijan is its second side.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 25 September 2013 19: 08
          -1
          Genesis Answering ravings means not respecting yourself! fool
          1. genisis
            genisis 25 September 2013 19: 27
            +3
            Rauf, do you have something to answer?

            NKAO announced its withdrawal from the Azerbaijan SSR. The Azerbaijan SSR decided to force him to the opposite opinion. As a result, he bowed himself.
            Can you tell me when the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan fought among themselves? Where, when, by what forces? By whom and when was the war declared between these two states?
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 25 September 2013 19: 50
              -4
              These numbers will not work with me. I myself am a veteran, and in contrast to the screamers-cheers-patriots, I know about the war firsthand. Believe me, I have seen more than enough corpses of Armenian conscripts from all over Armenia. And now a lot of them are being taken to the same Armenia.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 25 September 2013 20: 21
                +3
                Rauf, nezavodis.For me and all the men who studied at military schools under the Union, all this is generally wild. Porridge is brewed by "these" - and we rake. I wanted to list friends on either side --- I will not!
              2. helg717
                helg717 27 September 2013 16: 55
                0
                100 and 1 percent rights
              3. Arminian power
                Arminian power 12 October 2013 20: 44
                0
                what botalion and where fought ???
                Quote: xetai9977
                I myself am a veteran, and about the war
            2. alone
              alone 25 September 2013 20: 08
              0
              Quote: genisis
              NKAO announced its withdrawal from the Azerbaijan SSR.


              Find the constitution of the USSR and read it carefully. the autonomous region did not have the right to secede from the republic. in order to secede from the republic, there had to be a referendum in the republic. moreover, throughout the whole territory. There is no need to write utter nonsense here. All the same, it’s not children who are sitting here, but adults.
        2. kNow
          kNow 26 September 2013 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: genisis
          Those. "The observance of the Nagorno-Karabakh region by the Armenians" is the side of the conflict and Azerbaijan is its second side.

          and horseradish you will understand - whether they are your pawns, or you are them ... most likely you are their pawns, since the Karabakh clan rules you
    3. alone
      alone 25 September 2013 20: 04
      0
      stop lying. if Armenia did not fight in Karabakh, whom did you bury in Yerablur?
      Have at least respect for your fallen citizens. Can I remind you about those battles of Masis, Yekhegnadzor, Krasnoselsk and dozens of other battalions named and staffed by the military personnel of Armenia who fought in Karabakh?
      1. Gari
        Gari 26 September 2013 09: 41
        0
        Last night I did not take part in this heated discussion, I watched football where ,, Spartak ,, won ,, Krasnodar ,, and our Yura Movsisyan scored for ,, Spartak ,,,
        Quote: lonely
        whom did you bury in Yerablur?

        Ereblur is for us a place of sorrow of pride
        Nobody is forgotten, we all remember and respect
        All Armenians and units from Meghri, Yeghegnadzor, Kafan, Leninakan fought from all parts of Yerevan, from all over Armenia, from Georgia, Russia, Lebanon, Syria, France, America, all Armenians from all over the world, it’s necessary to gather more. But the main load Of course, the Karabakhs themselves carried it, from all over the districts, each village had its own detachments - if you can’t protect your own house, nobody will protect it for you.
        And then your leadership negotiated precisely with the leadership of Karabakh, when it was necessary Heydar Aliyev directly called Mkrtchyan, Kocharyan then leaders of Karabakh.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 26 September 2013 10: 55
          0
          Quote: Gari
          when it was necessary Heydar Aliyev directly


          so he was their leader. he intended them)) he gave recommendations ... he ousted the subordinates)))) well, we won’t call anymore !!!!!! and if we don’t agree, we will turn off the gas laughing (as in the movie-Mordyukova) ... and send something heavy and iron)))))
          1. Gari
            Gari 26 September 2013 12: 26
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            I gave recommendations ... I ousted the subordinates))

            And to ask: cease fire, stop advancing, return prisoners, this you call giving recommendations
    4. T80UM1
      T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 52
      +1
      Bother to explain where the "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic" is located? There is a Nagorno-Karabakh autonomy on the territory of Azerbaijan de jure, its territory, as well as the Agdam region which is occupied by the Armed Forces of Armenia. And take the trouble to explain by what right Armenia keeps troops on the territory of another state without its consent and what is it called?
      1. genisis
        genisis 26 September 2013 10: 21
        0
        The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is located where it was.
        NKAO ceased to be a territory of the Azerbaijan SSR after the referendum on secession from the Azerbaijan SSR, held in accordance with the Constitution of the USSR.
        And Azerbaijan has never been the territory of the republic at all. Neither de jure, nor even de facto.
        And take the trouble to explain by what right Armenia is holding troops on the territory of another state without its consent and what is it called?

        Take the trouble to explain where you saw the troops of the Republic of Armenia in the territory of another state ?????
        The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic has its own army, which guards the borders of the state.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 26 September 2013 11: 00
          0
          Quote: genisis
          Nagorno-Karabakh Republic


          at least I wouldn’t put this card laughing state borders are clearly indicated on this map! this is the answer to everyone, including his wife, that the NKRAO was part of Azerbaijan. and even those territories of Azerbaijan that are occupied outside the NKAR are indicated !!!!!! Thank you Genesis. you are the best gift to us and didn’t ......... wassat
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 26 September 2013 11: 54
            -2
            state borders are clearly indicated on this map


            So not occupied, but liberated, two big differences.
        2. kNow
          kNow 26 September 2013 11: 45
          -1
          Quote: genisis
          NKAR ceased to be a territory of the Azerbaijan SSR after the referendum on secession from the Azerbaijan SSR held in accordance with the Constitution of the USSR

          blatant lies, this was not the case in the Soviet Constitution.
          1. genisis
            genisis 26 September 2013 11: 55
            0
            - On September 2, 1991, three days after the Supreme Council of the Azerbaijan SSR proclaimed on August 30 “the restoration of state independence of the Republic of Azerbaijan in 1918-20.”, The joint session of the NKAO Regional Council and the Shaumyan District Council adopted the Declaration on the Proclamation of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) " The declaration as a legal basis indicated the Law of the USSR of April 3, 1990. “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the exit of the Union Republic from the USSR”, which secured the right for autonomous entities and compactly residing national groups to independently decide on their state and legal status in the event of the collapse of the USSR
            - The Declaration stated that the laws of the USSR are in force on the territory of NKR, which do not contradict this Declaration. Thus, it was stated that Karabakh remains the territory of the USSR, while Azerbaijan no longer exists.
            - The referendum on the independent state status of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic was held on December 10, 1991. During the referendum, the overwhelming majority of the Nagorno-Karabakh population spoke in favor of complete independence from the Azerbaijan SSR, which had left the USSR.
            - The referendum in Nagorno-Karabakh was held on the basis of then applicable laws of the former USSR and, in particular, in accordance with the USSR Law of April 3, 1990 “On the Procedure for Solving Issues Related to the Exit of a Union Republic from the USSR”. Section 3 of the above law stated: “In a union republic, which includes autonomous republics, autonomous regions and districts, a referendum is held separately for each autonomy. The peoples of the autonomous republics and autonomous entities retain the right to independently resolve the issue of being in the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics or in the leaving union republic, as well as to raise the question of their state and legal status. In a union republic, on the territory of which there are places of compact residence of national groups that make up the majority of the population of a given locality, when determining the results of a referendum, the results of voting in these areas are taken into account separately".
            1. genisis
              genisis 26 September 2013 12: 03
              -1
              The USSR Law “On the Procedure for Solving Issues Related to the Exit of a Union Republic from the USSR”, adopted on April 3, 1991
              - Article 2. The decision on the withdrawal of a Union republic from the USSR shall be made by free expression of the will of the peoples of the Union Republic by referendum (popular vote). ... The referendum is held by secret ballot no earlier than six and no later than nine months after the decision to raise the question of the Union republic leaving the USSR.
              - In Azerbaijan, the referendum was held on December 29, 1991, that is, 4 months after independence, that is, both the timing of the referendum and the sequence of actions were violated.
              - Article 3. In a union republic, which includes autonomous republics, autonomous regions and autonomous districts, a referendum is held separately for each autonomy. The peoples of the autonomous republics and autonomous entities retain the right to independently resolve the issue of staying in the USSR or in a leaving union republic, as well as to raise the question of their state and legal status.
              - Azerbaijan did not hold a referendum in the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region, therefore, according to the then current legislation, this autonomy had the right to decide the issue of "its state-legal status." Therefore, on December 10, 1991, a referendum on independence was held in Karabakh, and after the parliamentary elections on January 6, 1992, the Declaration of Independence was adopted.
              - Azerbaijan seceded from the USSR by adopting the Supreme Soviet of the Azerbaijan SSR on August 30, 1991. Declaration "On the restoration of state independence of the Republic of Azerbaijan" and October 18, 1991 Constitutional Act “On State Independence of the Republic of Azerbaijan”. These acts proclaimed the “return” to Azerbaijan of the state legal status that existed in 1918-1920. Of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic and, therefore, a return to the situation when Nagorno-Karabakh (like Nakhichevan) was not part of Azerbaijan
            2. kNow
              kNow 26 September 2013 22: 05
              0
              Quote: genisis
              Section 3 of the above law stated

              and where are the remaining articles of this law? or is it disadvantageous to quote? laughing let me help you, otherwise they will think that you acted according to the law

              Article 6.
              In a union republic comprising autonomous republics, autonomous regions, autonomous okrugs or places of compact residence of national groups referred to in the second part of Section 3 of this Law, The results of the referendum are considered by the Supreme Council of the Union Republic together with the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic and the respective Soviets of People's Deputies.
              WHAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE

              Article 7. The Supreme Council of the Union Republic presents to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR the results of the referendum. The Supreme Council of a Union Republic, which includes autonomous republics, autonomous entities or places of compact residence of national groups referred to in the second part of Article 3 of this Law, submits to the Supreme Council of the USSR the results of a referendum for each autonomous republic, for each autonomous formation or place of compact residence national groups with conclusions and proposals of the relevant government bodies.
              If it is established that the referendum is held in accordance with the law, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR submits the matter to the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR.

              WHAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE

              Article 9. The results of the referendum in the Union Republic on the issue of secession from the USSR, as well as the opinions of the highest bodies of state power in the autonomous regions and districts on this issue are considered by the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR.
              WHAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE

              Article 20. At the end of the transitional period or upon early resolution of the issues provided for by this Law, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR convenes the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR to make a decision confirming the completion of the process for reconciling interests and satisfying the claims of the leaving republic, on the one hand, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, union republics, as well as autonomous republics, autonomous entities and national groups referred to in the second part of Article 3 of this Law, on the other hand.
              Since the adoption of such a decision by the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, the exit of the Union Republic from the USSR is considered to have taken place, and People's Deputies of the USSR from the departed republic lose their authority.

              WHAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE
  • ultra
    ultra 25 September 2013 17: 38
    +6
    And do you happen to be called Nursultan Abishevich? laughing
  • genisis
    genisis 25 September 2013 17: 05
    +4
    In the Armenian Highlands, Kazakhstan’s participation on either side of the conflict in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is also violet.
    Well, what can Kazakhstan help ???
    Pilom?
    So, for information. Azerbaijan fought with the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic in 1988-1994, and not with Armenia.
    There is no war with Armenia today.
    So Kazakhstan can sit on the priest exactly, the Armenians can cope without his help.
    But when one of the neighbors attacks Kazakhstan, the CSTO will start working.
    And the same Armenia, which the Turkic Kazakhs do not see any reason to help, will send its troops as part of the CSTO forces.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 11
      -2
      Quote: genisis
      And the same Armenia, which the Turkic Kazakhs do not see any reason to help, will send its troops as part of the CSTO forces


      To terrorize the local population as Dashnaks?
      1. genisis
        genisis 25 September 2013 17: 15
        +4
        To terrorize the local population as Dashnaks?

        To fulfill the contractual obligations under the CSTO.

        And what is wrong with the Dashnaks ????
        I didn’t even imagine that in your steppes there are any claims to the Dashnaks.
        Who, whom, when, for what?
        And who do you call "dashnaks"?
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. genisis
            genisis 25 September 2013 17: 26
            +3
            Essenger, why did you delete your comment, where did you write that they (the Dashnaks) participated in punitive operations against the local population in Turkestan in 1918-1920? And what should the Dashnaks do in Turkestan at this time when there is a war with Turkey ????
            They participated


            They are somehow very mythical.
            Also, polar bears, or cthulhu, for example, could participate in these operations.
            Is there anything more specific?
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 25 September 2013 17: 19
      -4
      Quote: genisis
      will send his troops


      ..you have enough gasoline .... laughing
      Quote: genisis
      Armenians can cope without his help.

      and then a little something, hide behind the CSTO .... fellow
      The defensive capabilities of Armenia’s neighbors once are gradually turning into offensive capabilities, and in this regard, without Russia, ensuring Armenia’s security will be extremely difficult. ”
      According to “Armenian News”, the Minister of Defense of Armenia Seyran Ohanyan said this at a meeting with students of the Russian-Armenian (Slavic) University on September 17, adding that if there were only Azerbaijan, there would be no problems, but there would also be Turkey.
      According to him, according to the agreement signed in 2010, Russia pledged to fully ensure the security of Armenia. Touching upon the possibility of resuming hostilities with Azerbaijan, Seyran Ohanyan said that in order for the negotiation process to be completed successfully, it should be built on the basis of dialogue and mutual understanding, and if there are concessions, they must be mutual.
      1. genisis
        genisis 25 September 2013 17: 25
        +2
        and then a little something, hide behind the CSTO ....

        and here is the answer
        Armenian Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan stated, adding that if there were only Azerbaijan, then there would be no problems, but there is also Turkey.
        1. Hairy Siberian
          Hairy Siberian 25 September 2013 18: 02
          0
          smersh70
          and then a little something, hide behind the CSTO ....

          But you are hiding behind Turkey and Israel. If they weren’t, your rhetoric would not be tougher than the songs of Bul Bul Bul oglu.


          Quote: smersh70
          Russia pledged to fully ensure the security of Armenia.

          Sense then hide behind the CSTO?
          In general, I strongly doubt that Armenia needs the help of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tojkistan. Vryat Sargsyan voiced this statement, counting on military assistance from these countries.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 20: 57
            -1
            Quote: Hairy Siberian
            And you hide behind Turkey and Israel


            you are mistaken. there are no foreign bases on our territory !!!!!! we just joined the non-aligned movement !!!!! as they say do not bother to feed your army, bother to feed someone else’s laughing which is what our neighbors do))))) plus they still hold a rally against the customs union in the center of Yerevan ... I am surprised at some visitors from Russia. opposite you, a rally is held in the center of Yerevan, they say, down with Russia .. and instead of In order to at least partially condemn this position, you defiantly defend those who are against YOU !!!!!!!! BRAVO !!!! hi
            1. Arminian power
              Arminian power 26 September 2013 05: 24
              0
              there is a Turkish military base in Nakhchivan
              Quote: smersh70
              you mess around. on our territory there are no foreign bases
              1. kNow
                kNow 26 September 2013 14: 03
                -1
                Quote: Arminian power
                there is a Turkish military base in Nakhchivan
                Quote: smersh70
                you mess around. on our territory there are no foreign bases

                he saw al imagined? laughing
                1. Gari
                  Gari 26 September 2013 14: 17
                  0
                  Quote: kNow
                  he saw al imagined?

                  "Turkey traditionally reacts to the expansion of Russia's presence in the South Caucasus rather cautiously. However, recently Ankara has changed its approach to the events in the region," Azerbaijani political scientist Gabil Huseynli said.
                  Huseynli recalled that in accordance with the Kars Treaty, Turkey began to openly support the security of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic and the unitarity of Azerbaijan. "Currently, Ankara is negotiating with Baku on the deployment of a Turkish military base in Nakhichevan. I think that these negotiations will certainly yield results. The basic principles must be implemented on the basis of an appropriate agreement. On the other hand, I understand that it will not be easy for Turkey to explain the creation of the base. in Nakhichevan or providing military assistance to Azerbaijan, "the expert said
                  1. kNow
                    kNow 26 September 2013 15: 12
                    -2
                    Quote: Gari
                    "Currently, Ankara is negotiating with Baku on the deployment of a Turkish military base in Nakhichevan. I think that these negotiations will certainly yield results. Basic principles must be implemented on the basis of an appropriate agreement. On the other hand, I understand that it will not be easy for Turkey to explain the creation of the base. in Nakhichevan or providing military assistance to Azerbaijan

                    expert dur a lei, is there a link to the official sources?
      2. Gari
        Gari 25 September 2013 17: 45
        +5
        I am so glad Vurgun that you are studying the statements of our Hero of Armenia, Minister of Defense Seyran Ohanyan, there is something to respect him for, he didn’t run away from the battlefield from yours
        but to be to the end here from his interview:
        By the number of S-300 air defense systems, Armenia surpasses the countries of the Transcaucasus region. Armenian Minister of Defense Seyran Ohanyan stated this at a meeting with students of Yerevan State University on September 18, a REGNUM correspondent reports.

        As the minister noted, Yerevan significantly surpasses other countries in the region in the number of certain types of weapons. "For example, no other country in the region has such a number of S-300 air defense systems as we have," Ohanyan stressed.



        Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1709398.html#ixzz2fubN5T
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 25 September 2013 20: 59
          0
          Quote: Gari
          that you study the statements of our Hero of Armenia, Minister of Defense Seyran Ohanyan


          my friend had a soldier in his company in Germany .... he had 12 agdam people in his company .. somehow at his leisure I’ll tell you what they did with this officer ...... not to mention the processes, beyond the scope of this site ....
          Quote: Gari
          By the number of S-300 air defense systems, Armenia surpasses the countries of the Transcaucasus region.

          my friend ... old friend ..)) we have even better and more))) and they’re fighting not only with these complexes .. read Seyran above)) by the way, his name is Turkic)))))
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 25 September 2013 18: 52
      +1
      Quote: genisis
      But when one of the neighbors attacks Kazakhstan, the CSTO will start working.
      And the same Armenia, which the Turkic Kazakhs do not see any reason to help, will send its troops as part of the CSTO forces.

      Only China is their neighbors there. China is absorbing peacefully. Including the resettlement of its citizens in other states. They will not go to Kazakhstan, there is nothing interesting. But they can go to Siberia
    4. alone
      alone 25 September 2013 20: 13
      +1
      Quote: genisis
      So, for information. Azerbaijan fought with the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic in 1988-1994, and not with Armenia.
      There is no war with Armenia today.


      Armenia recognized the loss of 52 T-72 tanks, 54 infantry fighting vehicles, 40 armored personnel carriers, 6 guns and mortars. If Armenia did not fight with Azerbaijan, where did such losses come from?
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 00
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        where did Armenia get such losses?


        ..the aliens destroyed ... laughing
    5. helg717
      helg717 27 September 2013 16: 59
      0
      And also look how much in the same CRRF forces and means from Kazakhstan, and how much from Armenia
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 25 September 2013 08: 43
    +5
    why does Armenia need our help? Russia is the main partner, the rest will not be able to deploy their troops on their own ... CSTO is a mini-NATO ...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 25 September 2013 13: 04
      +8
      The territory of the NKAR at all international levels is recognized as an integral part of Azerbaijan and the fact that the Central Asian republics support this correctly. And the leadership of Kazakhstan correctly says that we will not fight in the conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region on either side. Armenia needs to solve this problem in negotiations with Azerbaijan (possibly through the mediation of interested parties-guarantors). The Collective Security Treaty Organization is a defensive alliance and not a tool to build our own States due to the annexation of neighboring territories under any pretext.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 25 September 2013 15: 23
        +7
        Question. How to decide if the Armenians from the NKR do not want to be part of Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan wants the NKR to be part of Azerbaijan? There is no political solution. As it was not in Kosovo, in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 25 September 2013 09: 00
    0
    ..... the article clearly indicates the main points of the contract hi ... and to Sargsyan to a light the UN Charter ... Helsinki Treaties ... the principle of territorial integrity ... in my head there is only great Armenia ... fool
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 September 2013 10: 56
      +9
      Quote: smersh70
      ..in my head is only great Armenia.


      There is of course such an approach, but the Syrian factor played a major role in the concern of the Armenian leadership. If before the decision of Obama to strike at Syria, the Western vector prevailed in Armenian politics, then immediately after August 26, when Syria hung, there was a sharp turn in the direction of the CU. Yerevan is well aware that if not Russia, then in the case of the next attack on Iran they will be left face to face with their enemies, because the West does not give any guarantees regarding the security of Armenia despite the strong Armenian lobby in the USA and France, the main initiators of the aggression,
      Therefore, Sargsyan acts on the principle that a titmouse is better in the hands than a crane in the sky. I thought it was a sinful thing, since Armenia was so fussed about, then Syria and Assad still can’t avoid aggression.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 11: 07
        +5
        Quote: Ascetic
        then Syria and Assad still can not avoid aggression.


        and who would hesitate .... smile all the same, they won’t leave him ....
        Quote: Ascetic
        Syrian factor played the main role in the concern of the Armenian leadership

        Well, not so much the Syrian factor, how much Putin smile showed him where the crayfish hibernate ..))))
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 25 September 2013 19: 24
        +4
        Hello, dear! Ascetic (Stanislav), I would like to know your opinion on Armenia's joining the Customs Union. Of course, if you have time for this. In my opinion, this will be a fiction. She, Armenia, is actually in a blockade. It is almost impossible to trade - except through the territory of Iran. There is no point in investing. People are slowly leaving, according to statistics, at least 50 people. in year . I think that Kazakhstan can also veto because of Nagorno-Karabakh - first, they will decide the issue with Azerbaijan. It makes no sense to admit to the Customs Union countries that have "problems" with their neighbors. NK should be a path to entry into the TS. Then we can also get Azerbaijan into the CU. The key role, of course, belongs to Russia. Only she can set such conditions and push Armenia - give Baku to NK and at the same time save the face of Yerevan. hi
        And Serzh Sargsyan is wrong. Integrity ter. Armenia is not threatening anything. And no one recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as the territory of Armenia. wink
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 26 September 2013 00: 13
          +4
          Quote: Kasym
          In my opinion this will be a fiction. She, Armenia, is actually under siege. It is almost impossible to trade, except through Iran. There is no point investing.


          Kasym! Let's wait until November, when Armenia, as well as Ukraine in Vilnius, will have to sign an agreement with the EU. Then we will discuss specifically. Maybe this move is Sargsyan’s attempt to blackmail in order to bargain with the West for some preferences in the framework of integration with the EU. So far, the topic of the Customs Union is everything there is written with a pitchfork. It is not possible for a country of 3,5 years to negotiate with the EU and prepare documents, and then change your movement vector in one day. The issue of joining the TS was not even considered anywhere - there are no calculations of economic feasibility, nor any documents. It smacks of either populism or blackmail. This is not done, at first all the nuances with the CU countries are worked out and miscalculated, and not just with Russia, and only after mutual consensus can we declare the nationality, and not vice versa ... in the style you did not wait for us and we got into trouble. This haste and one-sidedness is somewhat alarming and causes distrust. In my opinion, all these are geopolitical games of Russia and the West, and Sargsan was decided to use as a bargaining chip
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 26 September 2013 00: 24
            +3
            Thank you, Stanislav. I agree . Let's see what comes next.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 25 September 2013 15: 24
      +6
      You would first remember the territorial integrity of the USSR, and then about the UN Helsinki, etc., etc. And then how to ruin the USSR, so the right to self-determination, and how the NKR leaves you, sovereignty. Have you learned double standards from your pin.dostanovsky friends?
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 31
        -1
        Quote: alicante11
        You would first remember the territorial integrity of the USSR


        so in the days of the USSR there were attempts to chop off Karabakh, but Stalin and Khrushev gave in the teeth ... they raised the question at 48, and at 61 and at 68 .. and always got a rebuff))))) and now there is no USSR ... since referring to the USSR ... by the way, the Helsinki Treaty was also signed by the USSR !!!!! .. and with separatists there is always a tough agreement ... a counter question .-- so give the Kuril Islands, Chechnya .. Kailingrad to those who want to chop it off. ..... but no! give the separatists the teeth! well, so you can, but we don’t know chtoli))))))))) unfortunately the whole world rules double standards !!!!!!
        1. wk
          wk 26 September 2013 01: 29
          +5
          Quote: smersh70
          !!!!! .. and with separatists there is always a hard agreement

          Armenians in relation to Azerbaijan can neither be separatists, as they have their own state .... this is a common territorial dispute .... with such success, Armenians can declare Azerbaijanis to be separatists .... neither right nor guilty is difficult to find in in this dispute, but Russia, for its geopolitical reasons, is more profitable than Armenia, for the destruction of the Turkic axis dangerously hovering in the south of Russia.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 26 September 2013 06: 02
          0
          so in the days of the USSR there were attempts to chop off Karabakh, but Stalin and Khrushev gave in the teeth ... they raised a question in 48, in 61 and in 68..and always got a rebuff))))) and now there is no USSR ... since referring to the USSR ... by the way, the Helsinki Treaty was also signed by the USSR !!!!! .. and


          The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. You don’t know how to translate arrows. You are the first separatists in relation to the USSR. Those. should be with you

          and with separatists there is always a tough agreement ... a counter question


          What does the Kuril Islands and Chechnya? When am I talking about the withdrawal of Azerbaijan from the USSR? If the USSR had not collapsed, then everyone would not care what the composition of the NKR or Chechnya was.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 26 September 2013 08: 27
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            You are the first separatists


            Yah laughing it’s we who started the movement to disconnect Nagorno-Karabakh from Azerbaijan ..... sometimes I have the feeling that you do not distinguish between Armenia and Azerbaijan ... what, where and how much ....
            1. Gari
              Gari 26 September 2013 09: 53
              0
              Quote: smersh70
              Well, we started the movement to disconnect the NKAR from Azerbaijan.

              On February 20, in Stepanakert, at an extraordinary session of the Council of People's Deputies of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region, a decision was made "On a petition to the Supreme Soviets of the Azerbaijan SSR and the Armenian SSR for the transfer of the NKAR from the composition of the Azerbaijan SSR to the Armenian SSR"
              It seems clear from one Union Republic to another of the new USSR.
              And at the first rallies they came out with slogans. ,, Lenin, Party, Gorbachev ,,
              They believed that adequate people were sitting in the Kremlin, but did not know that it was there that the main destroyers of the Union were seated.
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 26 September 2013 10: 19
                +2
                Quote: Gari
                It seems clear from one Union Republic to another of the new USSR.


                where is the decision of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan .SSR. did he agree ?!
                Quote: Gari
                And at the first rallies they came out with slogans. ,, Lenin, Party, Gorbachev ,,


                correctly covered their nationalist, crazy ideas from sea to sea.

                Quote: Gari
                They believed that adequate people were sitting in the Kremlin, but did not know that it was there that the main destroyers of the Union were seated.


                These are your nationalist organizations sponsored from abroad that helped to break up the USSR. Decisions on the transfer are decided on the basis of a referendum.
                1. genisis
                  genisis 26 September 2013 10: 44
                  0
                  On January 19, 1990, the extraordinary session of the Supreme Council of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic adopted a resolution on the withdrawal of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic from the USSR and declaration of independence. On November 17 of the same year, the Supreme Council of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic changed its name from the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic to the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic.

                  First !!!! the Nakhchivan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic left the USSR. Before the Baltic states and anyone else. And under the strict guidance of Heydar Baba Aliyev. Where is the decision of the Armed Forces of the USSR or at worst the Armed Forces of the Azerbaijan SSR? )))))
                2. Gari
                  Gari 26 September 2013 10: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Apollon
                  where is the decision of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan .SSR. did he agree ?!

                  I would have given it, no, after this the pogroms in Sumgait began on February 27-29, 1988, accompanied by mass violence against the Armenian population, robberies, killings, arsons and destruction of property.
                  According to official data from the USSR Prosecutor General’s Office, 26 citizens of Armenian ethnicity were killed in the riots, more than a hundred people were injured.
                  According to the British journalist Tom de Waal, who published the Black Garden, an art-documentary in 2005 on the history of the Karabakh conflict, these events were “the first outbreak of mass violence in modern Soviet history”
                  Quote: Apollon
                  It is your nationalist organization sponsored from abroad that helped to destroy the USSR.

                  Oh, I thought, and not only I, but I am sure that all citizens of the former USSR will agree with me and not only think that the humpback, Yakovlev, Shchevarnadze and his other scum.
                  1. kNow
                    kNow 26 September 2013 14: 16
                    -2
                    Quote: Gari
                    I would have given it, no, after this the pogroms in Sumgait began on February 27-29, 1988, accompanied by mass violence against the Armenian population, robberies, killings, arsons and destruction of property.

                    write my dear, what happened before with the Azerbaijanis in Armenia ...
                3. alicante11
                  alicante11 26 September 2013 11: 56
                  -2
                  where is the decision of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan .SSR. did he agree ?!


                  What for? A referendum is enough. And the "republics" themselves did not give a damn about the referendum and nothing. They live indiscriminately.
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 26 September 2013 10: 47
                0
                Quote: Gari
                February 20 in Stepanakert at an extraordinary session


                Thank you HARRY!))) Alicante. Look .. the first separatists were, as always, the Armenians !!! and Harry confirms this

                And at the first rallies they came out with slogans. ,, Lenin, Party, Gorbachev ,,

                at first they thought, they’ll give a ride .. we were engaged in a mischief ... and then they saw that they weren’t rolling ... other slogans went and then took up arms ....
                1. genisis
                  genisis 26 September 2013 10: 52
                  +2
                  On January 19, 1990, the extraordinary session of the Supreme Council of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic adopted a resolution on the withdrawal of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic from the USSR and declaration of independence.

                  And are you still saying something about separatism ?????
                  1. Gari
                    Gari 26 September 2013 12: 15
                    +1
                    As always, if what the Armenians are doing is separatism, peaceful rallies, a referendum, that is, a peaceful will of the people to historical reunion with their homeland Armenia, after all, just to live on their own land without oppression, then defend their land from aggressor aggressors - is it separatism?
                    And to arrange a massacre, pogroms of civilians in Sumgait, Baku
                    And the destruction of the Soviet Union’s border with Iran on the Nakhichevan’s section by the beginning of the New 1990, practically throughout its entire length from Ilyichevsk1 to Astara2
                    Thousands of crowds of aggressively-minded locals under the slogans that "Azerbaijanis live on the other side of Araks too" crushed and burned everything: border posts, barbed wire fences, towers, alarm systems, electrical substations and telephone lines, pulling everything away in their villages , which was at least the slightest value: wire, logs, boards, metal parts of fences, electrical wires.
                    For the export of what did not burn out, collective farm and state farm trucks and tractors were used, as well as carts drawn by oxen, horses or donkeys. Along the way, the nationalists smashed the ancient Armenian cemeteries abandoned by the descendants of the dead, who were forced to flee to Nagorno-Karabakh or to Armenia.
                    Tombstones and cross-stones from khachkars made of hard pink tuff with ancient inscriptions were turned out by the thugs from the ground and taken away for the purpose of their further use as building material.
                    Although they are no longer separatists, they are barbarians, vandals
                2. alicante11
                  alicante11 26 September 2013 12: 04
                  -3
                  Alicante. Look .. the first separatists turned out to be, as always, the Armenians !!! here and Harry confirms


                  And what does this give you? If you remained a part of the USSR, then this would give you moral satisfaction. And so you are the same separatists, only more cowardly. Those who did not dare to be the first to start a business, but only those who clung later.

                  I’m not saying that the Armenians are good and the Azerbaijanis are bad. All of you are smeared with one myrrh, or rather, ALL of us, since the RSFSR is also to blame for the collapse of the USSR, as are Azerbaijan and Armenia. But the Russian Federation is an empire, and now the Armenians are nothing to us, but allies, and here you are, respected under-state, serve our enemies. When the Armenians tried to show off in the EU, they immediately sold weapons and the Armenians immediately pulled their tails ...
                  1. kNow
                    kNow 26 September 2013 14: 20
                    0
                    Quote: alicante11
                    If you remained a part of the USSR, then this would give you moral satisfaction.

                    and who asked us? gathered three brothers-Slavs and decided for all
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 27 September 2013 06: 44
                      0
                      And then without your consent, approval. We don’t turn on the fool.
                      1. kNow
                        kNow 27 September 2013 07: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: alicante11
                        And then without your consent, approval.

                        Quote: alicante11
                        We don’t turn on the fool

                        the meanness of their leaders at least do not bring down on us ...
                      2. alicante11
                        alicante11 27 September 2013 09: 02
                        0
                        Yes, there was enough villainy from all the leaders. You do not worry.
            2. kNow
              kNow 26 September 2013 14: 14
              +1
              Quote: Gari
              On the application to the Supreme Councils of the Azerbaijan SSR and the Armenian SSR on the transfer of NKAR from the composition of the Azerbaijan SSR to the Armenian SSR»

              that is, howling about an independent Karabakh is just a trick, elementary territorial claims ...
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 26 September 2013 12: 06
            -1
            Oh well, we started the movement to disconnect Nagorno-Karabakh from Azerbaijan ..... sometimes I have the feeling that you do not distinguish between Armenia and Azerbaijan ... what, where and how much ....


            Of course I do not distinguish - that some, that others are separatists.
            1. kNow
              kNow 26 September 2013 14: 21
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              Oh well, we started the movement to disconnect Nagorno-Karabakh from Azerbaijan ..... sometimes I have the feeling that you do not distinguish between Armenia and Azerbaijan ... what, where and how much ....


              Of course I do not distinguish - that some, that others are separatists.

              learn to rule the country, while ambition is higher than the roof, and skills are zero.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 27 September 2013 06: 45
                0
                learn to rule the country, while ambition is higher than the roof, and skills are zero


                The same garbage and you too. if they knew how to manage, they would not run from you.
                1. kNow
                  kNow 27 September 2013 07: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: alicante11
                  The same garbage and you too. if they knew how to manage, they wouldn’t run away from you

                  I can agree. But this is the difference from you - we do not pretend to be a senior
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 27 September 2013 09: 03
                    -1
                    How so, but the NKR?
                    And we do not pretend. We are the elders.
                    1. kNow
                      kNow 27 September 2013 09: 44
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      How so, but the NKR?

                      You do not seem to see the difference between your own and others' territories. There is Russia, there is Chechnya and there is Azerbaijan. Chechnya is your territory - you can satisfy your ambitions there. Azerbaijani territory is foreign to you. Azerbaijan must also manage its internationally recognized territory.
                    2. alicante11
                      alicante11 27 September 2013 11: 14
                      -1
                      Yes, I understand everything. It's just that people of a different nationality live in NKR, which you are, or rather, you are trying to become "elders". Armenians in Azerbaijan are a minority. Just like Azerbaijanis in the USSR were a national minority and Russians were "elders" for you.

                      There is Russia, there is Chechnya and there is Azerbaijan.


                      There is the Russian Federation - the successor of the USSR, from which you have choked on lawlessness. As well as the NKR, by lawlessness, it chukh out of Azerbaijan. The Russian Federation does not claim to the territory of Azerbaijan. Well, so you leave the NKR alone.
                    3. kNow
                      kNow 27 September 2013 14: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: alicante11
                      It's just that people of a different nationality live in NKR, which you are, or rather, you are trying to become "elders". Armenians in Azerbaijan are a minority.

                      that is, if they are of a different nationality, then should they self-determine and create their own state? but they have already determined themselves once in the form of the Republic of Armenia. If you give independence to any territory where Armenians live, you will have to create the 3 Armenian state in Krasnodar.
                      Quote: alicante11
                      Just like Azerbaijanis in the USSR were a national minority and Russians were "elders" for you.

                      Russians did not want to be elders laughing hence the further claims in the form
                      Quote: alicante11
                      There is the Russian Federation - the successor to the USSR, from which you spun out of lawlessness

                      baseless.

                      Quote: alicante11
                      Russia does not claim to the territory of Azerbaijan

                      Russia keeps in its composition Chechnya, which they themselves gave independence. Azerbaijan also will not let Karabakh go far, although unlike you they didn’t agree on their independence
                    4. alicante11
                      alicante11 27 September 2013 17: 49
                      +1
                      that is, if they are of a different nationality, then should they self-determine and create their own state? but they have already determined themselves once in the form of the Republic of Armenia. If you give independence to any territory where Armenians live, you will have to create the 3 Armenian state in Krasnodar.


                      No, everyone should live in peace and friendship within the USSR. But this does not happen.

                      The Russians did not want to be elders from here and further claims in the form of


                      It seemed to you. The fruits of military defeat. At the beginning of the last century, the same thing happened. True, the pseudo-states existed somewhat less. But right now there is no Lenin and Stalin ... So for now, you can enjoy the timelessness.

                      Russia keeps in its composition Chechnya, which they themselves gave independence. Azerbaijan also will not let Karabakh go far, although unlike you they didn’t agree on their independence


                      They have already released them, Our troops are in Chechnya, But in the NKR, not a single Azerbaijani will show their nose.
  • kNow
    kNow 26 September 2013 14: 13
    +1
    Quote: alicante11
    You are the first separatists in relation to the USSR. Those. should be with you

    and with separatists there is always a tough agreement ... a counter question

    you are completely confused - the Armenians were among the first to vote for secession from the USSR, while the Azerbaijanis spoke in favor of remaining in the Union.
    1. genisis
      genisis 26 September 2013 14: 33
      +1
      Armenians were among the first to vote for secession from the USSR, while Azerbaijanis spoke in favor of remaining part of the Union


      On January 19, 1990, an emergency session of the Supreme Council of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic adopted a resolution on the withdrawal of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic from the USSR and declaration of independence.

      The first of the republics of the Union.
      Or weren't Azerbaijanis living there then?
      One of those who lived there, in your words, "not an Azerbaijani", although here you are right, because he is a Kurd, in 93 he headed Azerbaijan. And his son still rules in Azerbaijan.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 27 September 2013 06: 48
      -1
      So what are left? I’m saying that I don’t care, Armenians or Azerbaijanis. Both nedogosudarstva arising from a misunderstanding. But in fact, Azerbaijan is now troubled by water. Although, I understand perfectly well that the Armenians are also trying to use Russia to protect against you. Well, to be more afraid and sitting quietly, they sell you good weapons.
  • scientist
    scientist 25 September 2013 09: 04
    +7
    Membership in the CSTO allows all countries except Russia to significantly reduce military spending, and to transfer most of the scarce funds allocated for defense to the pockets of officials. Many countries such as Kazakhstan and Tajikistan have a military-technical policy that is generally anti-Russian, even in the field of air defense equipment, the creation of automated control systems and communications. The main reason is that the Agreement on the purchase and repair of arms and military equipment at domestic prices of the Russian Federation prevents the return of kickbacks into the pockets of officials of Kazakhstan and Tajikistan.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 25 September 2013 09: 13
      +4
      Quote: scientist
      The agreement on the purchase and repair of arms and military equipment at domestic prices of the Russian Federation prevents the return of kickbacks into the pockets of officials of Kazakhstan and Tajikistan.


      When people from Russia blame someone for corruption, it's funny to me laughing
      1. d1m1drol
        d1m1drol 25 September 2013 09: 41
        +3
        I find it funny when people from Kazakhstan or Tajikistan blame Russia for something. Remind Tajiks February 1990? or Kazakhs about their Russophobic policy ?! The day will come and recall in the pictures ... as you were in the feudal system, so you stayed there .. time from the nineties stood in the minds of the politicians of these and other Asian countries of the former USSR.
        1. romb
          romb 25 September 2013 12: 43
          +6
          Kindly write the name of the country with a capital letter.
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 25 September 2013 16: 39
            0
            rombBut the fact that? Declare war, Kazakhstan began to talk too much, did you feel the power? Russia will say Kazakhstan immediately closes its mouth.
            1. romb
              romb 25 September 2013 17: 10
              +2
              But the fact that?....

              Eugene, how old are you?
              What you wrote here is the screech of the next Rambler troll, but not the comments of the average VO user.
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 14
                +3
                romb Hello, I repaid with the same coin, I’ve read a lot of anti-Russian here ... we have the same freedom of speech, no? If you think I'm 18, you are deeply mistaken and my education is also not very bad. Especially your wording about the troll, which self-respecting people do not use, really shows your age.
                1. romb
                  romb 25 September 2013 17: 20
                  +3
                  Are you a little over twenty?
                  This can be judged at least by the fact that you react with such fervor to completely justified criticism.
                  Read what i wrote d1m1drol , and tell me where you saw something "anti-Russian" in my comment.
                  1. Zhenya
                    Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 36
                    0
                    romb I’m far over twenty and I have already formed as a person, it’s not just about you, but in general, it’s just that you fell under a hot hand, unfortunately I can’t delete a comment.
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 25 September 2013 20: 12
              +2
              Quote: Marrying
              Russia will say Kazakhstan immediately closes its mouth.


              disgusted to read your vysery.
            3. T80UM1
              T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 28
              +2
              Watch your tongue, for such words you can get on the jaw! Or are you hoping to hide behind a nickname?
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 25 September 2013 13: 45
          +6
          Quote: d1m1drol
          I find it funny when people from Kazakhstan or Tajikistan blame Russia for something.


          And where am I from Kazakhstan a man rebuked Russia?
      2. scientist
        scientist 25 September 2013 10: 00
        +3
        I am not from Russia and I am not familiar with the problem by hearsay. Even in the Security Council of the Republic of Kazakhstan, there was a lot of noise and many Kazakh generals had to explain themselves. But everything remained not only the same, but it became even worse. What do you think on military maps in Kazakhstani military schools, who is the potential adversary?
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 25 September 2013 10: 17
          -2
          Probable opponents of Kazakhstan are all countries that border us.
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 25 September 2013 11: 32
            +9
            Essenger I understand your dislike for the northern neighbor. But to consider him as an adversary is a clinical case and a death sentence to the state of Kazakhstan ...
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 25 September 2013 11: 55
              +4
              Actually, the topic of conversation is not Kazakhstan. It is not noticeable that Kazakhstan is going to attack someone.
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 25 September 2013 12: 16
                +1
                I answered Essenger, according to his comment. What is the problem then? Kazakhstan is not going to attack anyone and did not argue with us that the leadership in this regard is super smart not like Georgia. I just argue against suicidal ideas.
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 25 September 2013 15: 29
                +1
                Exactly, Azerbaijan wants to attack someone.
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 34
                  0
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Azerbaijan wants to attack someone.


                  and you do not confuse your pocket with the state (Saahov) laughing it is Armenia that attacked Azerbaijan ... plus it also raised the territory. claims to Georgia .. (Javakhetia) it’s true that when Georgia threatened to close the last road to Russia, it calmed down .... then in early 1992 it raised the issue of Armenian autonomy in Russia. .the truth the Cossacks threatened to evict .... so quiet)))))))
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 26 September 2013 06: 06
                    +1
                    Who attacked whom and when ... I am not talking about this now. I say that Azerbaijan is now the aggressor, trying to change the existing conditions and borders. Like be, Armenia is not trying to set CSTO on you, it is a defensive alliance in fact, and does not purchase large quantities of weapons. So in fact it is perfectly clear who is preparing the war.
                    1. kNow
                      kNow 26 September 2013 14: 25
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      I say that Azerbaijan is now the aggressor, trying to change the existing conditions and borders.

                      one consolation - your opinion is not interesting to anyone


                      Quote: alicante11
                      So in fact it is perfectly clear who is preparing the war.

                      the one who sells, or the one who buys? laughing somehow it turns out allied
                      1. alicante11
                        alicante11 27 September 2013 06: 53
                        +1
                        one consolation - your opinion is not interesting to anyone


                        But this story will show ... Rodents also thought that their opinion was not interesting to anyone. Your president has already chosen a tie, which will chew?

                        the one who sells, or the one who buys? somehow it turns out allied


                        What are allies, such is the union. And what can you do, politics is a dirty business. But all empires need a zone of influence.
                      2. kNow
                        kNow 27 September 2013 07: 31
                        0
                        Quote: alicante11
                        Your president has already chosen a tie, which will chew?

                        not laughing he is busy gymnasts wink

                        Quote: alicante11
                        What are allies, such a union

                        I agree, with such an ally and the enemy is not needed
                      3. alicante11
                        alicante11 27 September 2013 09: 04
                        0
                        he is not busy gymnasts


                        The plaque is a fly, but this is cannibalism :).
            2. kNow
              kNow 26 September 2013 14: 23
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              Exactly, Azerbaijan wants to attack someone.

              how far-sighted are you laughing
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 27 September 2013 06: 53
                0
                Yes, it happens. I myself sometimes wonder :).
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 25 September 2013 12: 45
          +4
          Quote: T80UM1
          I understand your dislike for your northern neighbor.

          It is impossible to understand what is not)

          Quote: T80UM1
          But consider him as an adversary

          Not as an adversary, but a Probable adversary. This is a term so military.
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 25 September 2013 16: 42
            0
            Essenger Of course, why bombard the steppes? While there is a spaceport, you need .... but for now ..
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 25 September 2013 16: 44
              +4
              Quote: Marrying
              Essenger Of course, why bombard the steppes? While there is a spaceport, you need .... but for now ..


              Close soon)))
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 25 September 2013 16: 50
                0
                Essenger Yes, the east is being built and your country will no longer be needed.
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 25 September 2013 16: 55
                  +5
                  Quote: Marrying
                  Essenger Yes, the east is being built and your country will no longer be needed.


                  And after entering Vostochny, start to bomb us ??? crying
                  1. Zhenya
                    Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 10
                    +1
                    Read above, it says "why bomb the steppes" .....
                  2. Essenger
                    Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 23
                    +5
                    Quote: Marrying
                    Essenger of course, why bomb the steppes? While there is a spaceport, you need .... but for now ..


                    If you put East into operation, then there is no need for Baikonur, which means that you can already bombard the steppe))) Or did I misunderstand you?
                  3. Zhenya
                    Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 40
                    0
                    You obviously misunderstood me.
                  4. Essenger
                    Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 43
                    +4
                    Quote: Marrying
                    You obviously misunderstood me.


                    Again yulite. Everything is clear.
        3. evgeny1td
          evgeny1td 25 September 2013 21: 22
          0
          we can do without him
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 25 September 2013 11: 26
    +2
    some Kazakh generals went to prison ... and several managers of Ukrspetsexport to the heap recourse
  • T80UM1
    T80UM1 25 September 2013 11: 29
    +9
    If ours decide to fight with Russia, then in the first days all the resource potential of oil, grain and metals will safely pass to Russia without much effort, except for the West ... Therefore, all those who perceive Russia as their main adversary are enemies of the people.
    1. romb
      romb 25 September 2013 12: 20
      +7
      It’s possible he will go over, only then can peaceful life in the region be forgotten for many years. In addition, to capture - one thing, but to hold positions - is completely different.
      In general, the conflict between the two countries will be a real crime, and those who begin its escalation can be safely put to the wall.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 25 September 2013 12: 28
        +6
        Have you been to the north, east and west of Kazakhstan? I was. In the north, 70-80% of the people friendly to Russia in some places of entertainment do not allow Asians, in the east, 60% in the west, 30%, moreover, between the south and the center there are 1000 km of salt marshes and desert, namely, in the south, the population most advocating for independent Kazakhstan. Based on this, only in the West in the case of a hypothetical capture of the main regions will there be a kind of instability.

        And so I agree with you 100% that the conflict between our countries will be a crime.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 September 2013 13: 35
      +4
      Quote: T80UM1
      Therefore, all those who perceive Russia as the main adversary are the enemies of the people.


      Together, we must first of all think about the flow of drugs and the construction of borders in the south. In common with Kazakhstan, the common border should be equipped in the south with Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, but what's the point if in Tajikistan again the border guards are deployed? It's like running with a slipper behind cockroaches, blocked one gap, they will crawl through another. And the drug rushing through Kazakhstan by the river. Moreover, there is essentially no border. There is such a lake, Elton (Volgograd region), where there are steppes and you can really get lost without knowing whose territory you are actually in. For there was no border and border guards there for some time and no. Guys told they came across a steppe night at night, met a shepherd.
      Tell me, where are we?
      Here!
      And what country?
      And the buoy knows him! I’m grazing sheep here ..
      As in a joke, here we have such a courtyard, I don’t want to go, terrorists, weapons, drugs. Probably on the borders with Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan the same garbage, besides there are mountains .. That's why you need to think and not fight for the fun of the drug mafia controlled by the CIA and the international banking groups of Baruchov and Rothschilds.
  • v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 25 September 2013 10: 05
    +1
    If you laugh, then laugh about this should be together.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 25 September 2013 10: 05
    +2
    Quote: scientist
    Membership in the CSTO allows all countries except Russia to significantly reduce military spending,

    right. Listen, let Sargsyan think about it ....
    As of September 1, 2013, the internal state debt of Armenia amounted to 270 billion drams (about $ 660 million). Compared to the beginning of the year, the domestic debt grew by about 6,3% or 16 billion drams. Domestic public debt is formed from the issuance of bonds. Their average profitability as of September 1 was 13,9887%. During the year, their profitability increased (on February 1, their average yield was 13,6406%). As a result, the costs of their maintenance have increased. AMD 20,5 billion has already been allocated for interest payments from the state budget, despite the fact that the annual plan is 29,7 billion. Obviously, the state budget is not enough for servicing bonds. In the bond structure, medium-term (about 54% of the total), long-term - 35,5%, short-term - 10,2% are in first place. Savings bonds are also issued in a small volume. - See more at: http://minval.az/news/20535/#sthash.H435XSq9.dpuf
  • romb
    romb 25 September 2013 12: 13
    +2
    For starters, let the Russian defense industry deal with the pricing of its products. And it turns out that prices and conditions begin to jump out of the blue. Here it’s not necessary to think about kickbacks, but about more prosaic things, that is, under a declaration on domestic prices, a technologically obsolete illiquid asset would not be shoved to the buyer.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 25 September 2013 13: 10
    +4
    Quote: scientist
    Membership in the CSTO allows all countries except Russia to significantly reduce military spending, and to transfer most of the scarce funds allocated for defense to the pockets of officials. Many countries such as Kazakhstan and Tajikistan have a military-technical policy that is generally anti-Russian, even in the field of air defense equipment, the creation of automated control systems and communications. The main reason is that the Agreement on the purchase and repair of arms and military equipment at domestic prices of the Russian Federation prevents the return of kickbacks into the pockets of officials of Kazakhstan and Tajikistan.

    Scientist. Previously, you acted in white clothes as a victim illegally from the regime of the National Academy of Sciences, and now you have smoothly slipped to inflate Kazakh-phobic moods on this site, which perfectly characterizes you as an ordinary provocateur, of whom there are many on this site.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 25 September 2013 13: 15
      +7
      Semurg
      Why do you immediately write it down as provocateurs? Or do not tolerate dissent? or is there no corruption problem in Kazakhstan?
      As a Kazakh, I did not see Kazakhophobia in his comments.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 25 September 2013 13: 43
        +5
        . Many countries such as Kazakhstan and Tajikistan have a military-technical policy that is generally anti-Russian, even with regard to air defense equipment, the creation of automated control systems and communications. [/ Quote]

        What do you think on military maps in Kazakhstani military schools, who is the potential adversary?[/ Quote]
        Anyone who reads this has the idea that the Kazakhs are enemies. We write our opinion and are responsible for ourselves, he also nods to the generals and political leadership of Kazakhstan, which is a completely different level. And the fact that the posts include thoughts about corruption is for the entourage of his fighter against justice. Marek Rozny somehow advised him to go to the European court and win the case and punish the officials who offended him, which would be more correct than pushing here the idea of ​​a "potential enemy ".
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 25 September 2013 14: 06
          +3
          Quote: Semurg
          What do you think on military maps in Kazakhstani military schools, who is the potential adversary?


          If the General Staff does not have action plans in case of war with Russia or China. That on figs such a General Staff?

          Quote: Semurg
          Marek Rosney once advised him to apply to the European court and win the case and punish the offending officials

          Kazakhstan has not signed this document and it cannot appeal to Strasbourg.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 25 September 2013 14: 13
            +2
            I agree with you. Any country that respects itself in the slightest degree should have plans for war with everyone. This does not mean that it is going to fight them, but it should have every "fireman"! And Russia should have plans for a war with Ukraine and Belarus !
    2. scientist
      scientist 25 September 2013 15: 06
      0
      Do not judge and we will not judge.
      If you have arguments and facts, then feel free. In the meantime, unfounded accusations of Kazakhophobia and provocation, characterize you as well.
  • avt
    avt 25 September 2013 09: 31
    +2
    Quote: scientist
    Membership in the Collective Security Treaty Organization allows all countries except Russia to significantly reduce military spending, and to transfer most of the scarce funds allocated for defense to the pockets of officials

    Well, the Collective Security Treaty Organization is our headache - to clean up and destroy everything and, as a result, to receive accusations, if not iMperry, then insufficient assistance. The amorphous spineless structure is a legacy of the CIS, well, that part of it that Marshal Shaposhnikov commanded.
    Quote: Essenger
    When people from Russia blame someone for corruption, it's funny to me

    Wow, it’s possible to give Zadornov a concert.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 September 2013 11: 05
      +6
      Quote: avt
      Well, the Collective Security Treaty Organization is our headache - to clean up and destroy everything and, as a result, to receive accusations, if not iMperry, then insufficient assistance. The amorphous spineless structure is a legacy of the CIS, well, that part of it that Marshal Shaposhnikov commanded.


      In my opinion, the situation in the CSTO can be characterized as a rule of 3 "not"
      uncertainty, instability and unpredictability. . Karimov’s turns alone are worth something. The CSTO bloc has never participated in the suppression and elimination of the conflict at the state or regional level. And, thank God, of course, but for a military man such a conflict will be the only measure of evaluating the effectiveness of the CSTO military structures.
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 25 September 2013 11: 30
        +6
        Georgians also attacked Russia. Belarusians and Kazakhs didn’t even recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia ... Ideally, everyone should have kicked Georgia. Armenia could open a second (or third) front in the rear of the Georgians.
        ps By the way, did Armenia recognize South Ossetia and Apsny?
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 25 September 2013 11: 59
          +5
          Armenia South Ossetia and Abkhazia did not and does not recognize. This is where the CSTO is amorphous. Russia plays the first and only violin there. And the rest are just for show.
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 26 September 2013 09: 43
            +2
            Kazakhstan fulfills, as a rule, fulfills its obligations, including those under the Collective Security Treaty Organization. Kazakhstan promised to defend Armenia in the event of external aggression. But he did not undertake to fight for the territory of Karabakh, which he recognizes as an integral part of Azerbaijan. The news is that Azerbaijan is not going to attack Armenia. Azerbaijanis will return the land the right to which is recognized by the international community. Now, if Azerbaijan attacked Armenia, and Kazakhstan didn’t enter in accordance with the obligations under the CSTO treaty, then the claims against Kazakhstan would be justified.
            Kazakhstan in this conflict will not support either side. In the end, legally this is the internal affair of Azerbaijan.
            Through volunteers, Kazakhs are likely to support Azeri. Vittel at RBC was indignant that some of the Kazakhs were ready to take part in the conflict as volunteers. But Kazakhstan, as a state, will not participate ...
            1. Gari
              Gari 26 September 2013 10: 05
              +1
              Quote: Alibekulu
              Kazakhstan promised to defend Armenia in the event of external aggression. But he did not undertake to fight for the territory of Karabakh, which he recognizes as an integral part of Azerbaijan. The caveat is that Azerbaijan is not going to attack Armenia

              Good afternoon dear
              You don’t have to fight for us neither with Azerbaijan for Karabakh, but once you have done it yourself and succeed, we will settle the second time, and you are unlikely to help us if we suddenly have a war with Turkey, then Russia will be with us and that will be enough for us but you should think that you have a powder keg near Afghanistan, China is no longer hiding its views on your region, they will soon have 1.5 billion, they will have nowhere to stand, and you have 17 million, and that’s with your territory .
              I read about the visits to Central Asian states by Chinese leader Xi Jipin
              I think it’s not in vain that he drove through the region, the Chinese just do nothing
            2. helg717
              helg717 27 September 2013 17: 03
              0
              strongly and correctly said
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 25 September 2013 13: 05
          +3
          Quote: Aeneas
          Georgians also attacked Russia.

          Do not drive horses))) and when was it? 8.8.8? Then the Georgians fought with the separatists, then the Russians supported these separatists and occupied Georgia. This Russian still comes around. The murder of an ambassador in Abkhazia is still a flower.

          Quote: Aeneas
          By the way, did Armenia recognize South Ossetia and Apsny?

          They don’t even recognize Karabakh
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 25 September 2013 13: 10
            +1
            Remind the words of Gamsakhurdia regarding the fate of the Ossetians
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 25 September 2013 13: 18
              +5
              Quote: Den 11
              Remind the words of Gamsakhurdia regarding the fate of the Ossetians


              Greetings Denis,
              I don’t know what he said, enlighten?
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 25 September 2013 13: 24
                +2
                Greetings! Here's what I found http://www.osgenocide.ru/2007/05/20/kem_byl_zviad_gamsakhurdija_.html
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 25 September 2013 13: 42
                  +2
                  If the quotes are reliable, then some pull on the article, but I agree with some. Some additions such as the opinion of a Western diplomat and a Moscow political analyst do not add credibility to the article)))
                  By the way, an interesting fact, a site about the "genocide" of Ossetians.
                  Clicked on the photo facts section
                  "No publications were found on the site at this address"
                  P.S. thanks for the link
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 25 September 2013 13: 49
                    0
                    Checked. I clicked on a bunch of photos, a photo. Video too
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 25 September 2013 13: 59
                      +4
                      Quote: Den 11
                      Checked. I clicked on a bunch of photos, a photo. Video too


                      Then maybe it's a problem with IP.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 25 September 2013 15: 41
            +3
            Do not drive horses))) and when was it? 8.8.8? Then the Georgians fought with the separatists, then the Russians supported these separatists and occupied Georgia. This Russian still comes around. The murder of an ambassador in Abkhazia is still a flower.


            Actually, the Georgians attacked our peacekeepers.
          3. Fin
            Fin 25 September 2013 15: 48
            0
            Quote: Essenger
            Then the Georgians fought with the separatists, then the Russians supported these separatists and occupied Georgia. This Russian still comes around. The murder of an ambassador in Abkhazia is still a flower.

            You, as I understand it, are well aware of this war and the future plans of Georgia. Enlighten about berries.
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 25 September 2013 16: 26
              +3
              Quote: Fin
              Quote: Essenger
              Then the Georgians fought with the separatists, then the Russians supported these separatists and occupied Georgia. This Russian still comes around. The murder of an ambassador in Abkhazia is still a flower.

              You, as I understand it, are well aware of this war and the future plans of Georgia. Enlighten about berries.


              I refer to Saakashvili, he recently withered that "Russia will end even worse than the USSR." Maybe he has some information or a plan, otherwise why say that?
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 25 September 2013 16: 31
                +2
                Yes, because yap.
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 51
                  +4
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Yes, because yap.

                  Your version has the right to life
              2. ultra
                ultra 25 September 2013 17: 54
                +2
                Quote: Essenger
                I refer to Saakashvili, he recently withered that "Russia will end even worse than the USSR"

                Probably the tie he ate was very toxic. There are still symptoms of paranoia with elements of schizophrenia! hi
          4. avt
            avt 25 September 2013 16: 09
            +2
            Quote: Essenger
            Do not drive horses))) and when was it? 8.8.8? Then the Georgians fought with the separatists, then the Russians supported these separatists and occupied Georgia. This Russian still comes around. The murder of an ambassador in Abkhazia is still a flower.

            You, either due to lack of knowledge or due to childhood, are not aware of the previous events both in Ossetia and in Abkhazia. Only the threat of the use of force by Russia under Gamsakhurdia stopped the first war in Ossetia, but Abkhazia is generally a separate conversation, how they cut each other there - God forbid you survive this, first, the mkhedrioni of the thief in law, and then the Basayevites in They played football with their heads, both Georgians and Abkhazians have all this in their records. And Shevardnadze with a thief took out the fleet commander Baltin, when he drove the Black Sea Fleet ships to Abkhazia for their evacuation, and even gave Edik to get to Tbilisi, landed troops and stopped the Zviadists, and then in general Georgia would not exist - they would cut among themselves as it was already in Tbilisi. Well, in Adjara, who ruled peacefully? Ivanov, Foreign Minister. And on 08/08 we fought with the naglo-Saxons so dear to your heart, the whole operation was planned and directed them, so they picked up the performers to probe Russia and armed the shitty ones, even taking into account the specialists and mercenaries sent by Yushchenko from their own.
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 25 September 2013 16: 30
              0
              Quote: avt
              You either out of ignorance or in infancy

              Better than being a kid and a democrat than an old man and a commie.

              Quote: avt
              not aware of previous events both in Ossetia and in Abkhazia.

              Yes, I know what is happening there, we simply interpret it differently based on our interests. Or do you have a monopoly on the truth ?! You have your own truth, I have my own. Surkovsky agitprom will not work with me, do not try in vain.
              1. avt
                avt 25 September 2013 17: 31
                +2
                Quote: Essenger
                Yes, I know what is happening there, we simply interpret it differently based on our interests.

                Do you know what is happening now or how it happened in the dynamics of the development of events, well, at least since the war in Karabakh? Can you exactly name at least some of the people involved in the events, well, at least starting from the dissident Gamsakhurdia, who repented on the TV screen during the Soviet era? Or unwillingness, well, maybe not knowing the course of events in the region according to Chirikova, will you still call “Surkov propaganda”?
                Quote: Essenger
                I don’t particularly follow the extrapolitical battles in Russia. I’m not interested.
                However, judging by the "Surkovsky agitprom", "I can't believe it." Oh, you're lying! You're lying to the Tsar! " laughing
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 40
                  +5
                  Quote: avt
                  Do you know what is happening now or how it happened in the dynamics of events

                  I wrote about the war of 08, actually, why I was dragged here by Gasakhurdia is not clear. Or did he actively take part in those August events?

                  Quote: avt
                  by Chirikova

                  She is an angry but pretty woman. This is by the way)))
                  1. avt
                    avt 25 September 2013 18: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Essenger
                    I wrote about the 08 war, actually,

                    Well, a campaign or you simply don’t know the course of events, but rather you simply pick out raisins from a loaf and ask a question. What colour ?
                    Quote: avt
                    Do you know what is happening now or how it happened in the dynamics of the development of events, well, at least since the war in Karabakh?

                    Answer - sour
                    Quote: Essenger
                    why I was dragged here Gasakhurdia is not clear.
                    And quite consciously.
                    Quote: Essenger
                    Or did he actively take part in those August events?
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 25 September 2013 18: 05
                      +6
                      And here is Karabakh ???
                      I debated about the August war
                      1. avt
                        avt 25 September 2013 18: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Essenger
                        And here is Karabakh ???

                        laughing I'll try to clarify, but for the last time, the key here, since the time, is when events take place at the same time but in different places, so sometimes they say so without specifying the exact date, but hoping that the interlocutor himself will guess that we are talking about TIMES when events happened, not about the war in Karabakh.
                      2. Essenger
                        Essenger 25 September 2013 18: 57
                        +5
                        Quote: avt
                        I'll try to clarify, but for the last time, the key here, since the time, is when events take place at the same time but in different places, so sometimes they say so without specifying the exact date, but hoping that the interlocutor himself will guess that we are talking about TIMES when events happened, not about the war in Karabakh.


                        Lol, I did something at the same time))) I read the text inattentively))) but this is not an excuse, I confessed stupid)))

                        So enlighten me?
                      3. avt
                        avt 25 September 2013 19: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: Essenger
                        So enlighten me?

                        Like this in a couple of phrases without specific links !? Yes, here is an article in four full formats at a time, no less! If you are seriously interested in the question and there is a desire to understand, regardless of my opinion or another, then briefly I can only advise you to look at the events in dynamics. Well, at least from the moment Gorbachev's verbal order to disperse the demonstration in Tbilisi, which he and Shevardnadze later refused, and the victims of the crush during the dispersal and the subsequent panic were attributed to "sapper blades" attributed to the military and Rodionov in particular. For comparison, Lebed in Baku really with shooting in all directions to intimidate. Then the picture will be complete and not a clip and the role of participants of all types takes very interesting outlines. Such as Rokhlin, who did not give the weapon to loot, well, he did not start extinguishing the fire with kerosene. Then Baltin, without specifying EBN saved Shevardnadze from Abkhazia. And here is my opinion - do not put amer to Sahak, bought with giblets, then in one form or another, as in Adjara, we would have settled the conflict, would not extinguish, but would not bring to, ". But our probable friends do not need it now.
                      4. Essenger
                        Essenger 25 September 2013 19: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: avt
                        here is my opinion - do not put the amers of Sahak, bought with giblets, then in one form or another, as in Adjara, we would have resolved the conflict

                        In any conflict, both sides are to blame.

                        So you might think why the lay citizen of Kazakhstan, the problem of Georgia or Azerbaijan?

                        Kazakhstan’s independence is meaningless without the independence of Azerbaijan and Georgia. It’s just geopolitics and national interests. No wonder even Nazarbayev invested $ 2 billion in Georgia, which is a lot of money for Kazakhstan, and even more so for Georgia.
                      5. avt
                        avt 25 September 2013 20: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Essenger
                        Kazakhstan’s independence is meaningless without the independence of Azerbaijan and Georgia.

                        So this is bad. If you really think so and look for "crutches" on the side, then you don’t believe in your own independence, as well as in your own strength. I see nothing good here and I do not gloat, since there is a selfish interest - a common border, Kazakhstan is not in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. And if such moods and fears go on inside, it’s just a matter of time for our headache in the south. request Indirect confirmation is throwing with the Pan-Turkist idea led by Turkey to become something big and strong. But the Turks were deleted from the Great Game after 1914 and despite all the efforts of Erdogan, his real successes in economics and politics, which is worth at least independent party in the Iraqi part of the game, neither the Europeans nor the Amers specifically let him in the club of players.
                      6. Essenger
                        Essenger 25 September 2013 20: 11
                        +5
                        Quote: avt
                        So this is bad. If you really think so and look for "crutches" on the side, then you do not believe in your own independence, as well as in your own strength.


                        The issue is not strength or weakness. The question is in geography if you doubt them. Then Kazakhstan will not be able to go straight to Europe, we will communicate with them through you.
                      7. Pilat2009
                        Pilat2009 25 September 2013 23: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Essenger
                        Then Kazakhstan will not be able to go straight to Europe

                        So, in any case, he will not be able to. Either go to Europe through one country, or in a few, is there a difference?
                      8. Essenger
                        Essenger 25 September 2013 23: 09
                        +7
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        Quote: Essenger
                        Then Kazakhstan will not be able to go straight to Europe

                        So, in any case, he will not be able to. Either go to Europe through one country, or in a few, is there a difference?


                        The difference is that we can agree with Azeri Turks and Georgians. And you are not able to negotiate, but want to dictate your terms. Maybe the old fashioned way, but times have changed.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 38
    +2
    Quote: avt
    You are either out of ignorance or in childhood


    one question is why Russia can fight against its local seperatists. and restore its territorial integrity ..... but Georgia .. not ..... hi
    1. bask
      bask 25 September 2013 16: 48
      +3
      Quote: smersh70
      ter.integrity ..... but Georgia ..not ..

      And who is stopping Azerbaijan from restoring its territorial integrity. In Karabakh.
      21 years old, this territory is under the control of Armenia. What is in the way, will it be freed ????.
      The army of Azerbaijan in technology and modern weapons is much better armed than the Armenian.
      And the Georgians, as the former commander of the battalion ,, Vostok ,, said in 2008, they are WEAKER SOUL ,, !!!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 55
        +1
        answer a specific question. don’t translate .. laughing
        Quote: bask
        who impedes Azerbaijan, to restore its territorial integrity. in Karabakh.

        there are no guarantees from Russia that it will not intervene ... well, nothing, little is left .. the GDP seems to give the go-ahead. then hold on to the "valiant immortal army of armenia" fellow
        Quote: bask
        Azerbaijan Army for technology and modern weapons

        here we’re getting ready. fully and wisely !!!! everything has its time !!!! anyway, even there’s no need to even wage war) after all, in Armenia there will be nobody soon)))))))
        Quote: bask
        as the former commander of the 2008 battalion, East, said

        By the way, he learned to fight with us))) at the beginning of 92, as part of Chechens in 35 people)))
        1. bask
          bask 25 September 2013 18: 14
          +3
          Quote: smersh70
          Answer a specific question. Do not translate.

          I answer, translate.
          Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi- which is allowed to Jupiter, is not allowed to Bull.
          Veni, vidi, vici-came, saw, won.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 04
            +2
            Quote: bask
            what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to Bull.


            here is your whole answer laughing this is an argument, this is an argument. 1-0 in my favor !!!! hi there you have double standards .. and where is justice .... where is the truth .....
            1. bask
              bask 25 September 2013 21: 19
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              there you have double standards .. and where is justice .... where is the truth .....

              In big politics, dear smersh70, there are always double-triple standards.
              One is true - he who is stronger is right !!!
              But there are exceptions (Vietnam).
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 44
              +3
              Quote: bask
              In big politics, dear smersh70, there are always double-triple standards.

              I obtained this answer from YOU smile Thank you !!! we are right .. but big politics is stopping us))))
              and about Vietnam .. he, too, alone could not have done anything .. behind him stood China and the USSR hi
      2. Arminian power
        Arminian power 26 September 2013 05: 40
        -1
        you know all the mercenaries, Mujahideen who fought on your side
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 25 September 2013 21: 51
      +2
      Quote: bask
      And who is stopping Azerbaijan from restoring its territorial integrity. In Karabakh.


      Stealing clans, corruption and lawlessness of power.
    3. kNow
      kNow 26 September 2013 14: 34
      0
      Quote: bask
      And who is stopping Azerbaijan from restoring its territorial integrity. In Karabakh.
      21 years old, this territory is under the control of Armenia. What is in the way, will it be freed ????.

      Military threat from Russia.
  • avt
    avt 25 September 2013 17: 20
    +1
    Quote: smersh70
    one question is why Russia can fight against its local seperatists. and restore its territorial integrity ..... but Georgia .. not .....

    In short, as practice shows, this is allowed only by a participant in the Big Game. Well, if Russia ceases to be such, she will not be allowed to do this. But now it is not allowed for those who are the pieces on the game board and who are played, although the pieces seem to be that they move so cleverly, and can get themselves from pawns to queens, but it is not a fact, as I have already said, that having reached the edge, they will become, for that, the will of the player - he can leave a pawn, let him stand on the edge and look into the abyss. No matter how offensive it may be for those with great-power ambitions, even with regional leadership and relative economic prosperity, but not being players. Turkey is a striking example of this. Hence, such a reaction to GDP on the Syrian issue, it seems that everything has been deleted from the list of players irrevocably, but not yet. The Great Game continues. ,, Only when everyone dies. Only then will the Great Game end "Rudyard Kipling - Mason and scout, son of a Mason and scout.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 05
      +2
      Quote: avt
      In short, as practice shows


      there is no seminar on philosophy .. but there is no clear answer and no))))
      1. avt
        avt 26 September 2013 08: 51
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        there is no seminar on philosophy .. but there is no clear answer and no))))

        Much clearer then request Azerbaijan is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, for example? or do you have a dozen nuclear submarines in the Caspian and a couple of aircraft carriers based that you chase from time to time around the world? I’m not talking about space, it’s just that you won’t convert the Gabala radar into a super weapon to control near-Earth space. Enough? That's when at least one of this or the like is done by yourself, then decide questions about the adult.
  • ultra
    ultra 25 September 2013 17: 57
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    .and Georgia ..not ....

    Why not? Let them fight, once they have fought, in the second Abkhazia and South Ossetia they will have to join the rest of the territory.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 06
      0
      Quote: ultra
      Let them fight, once they’ve fought,


      and. for 3 hours they liberated all of Ossetia .. and Kokoity fled wherever his eyes look))))) ...
      1. bask
        bask 25 September 2013 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        and. for 3 hours they liberated all of Ossetia .. and Kokoity fled wherever his eyes look))))

        Ossetia didn’t release anyone in 3 hours.
        Kokoito may have escaped, but the Russian peacekeepers did not step back a step.
        And if it weren’t for the criminal, slowness of DAM, the Georgians were knocked out of South Ossetia on the first day.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 25 September 2013 21: 23
          +2
          I’ll tell you a terrible secret - our units were already in Tiflis.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 49
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            our units were already in Tiflis.



            it seems says your love for Skorzeny and the Wehrmacht laughing
            Yes, they were there for a long time and sat in the Swiss embassy))))) Yes, all of Tbilisi knew about it)))) (as in the film a passport))))))
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 47
          +1
          Quote: bask
          Ossetia in 3 hours did not release.

          freed and how ...
          Quote: bask
          Russian peacekeepers, not a step back.

          but all the same, they left and moved towards Java, because there was no reason to defend the base anymore .. there are videos and eyewitness accounts .. (we won’t raise this topic in general .. because that’s not the topic)
          1. bask
            bask 25 September 2013 21: 59
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            (we will not raise this topic in general .. because it is not the topic)

            I agree.
            Quote: Den 11
            A terrible secret, our units were already in Tiflis.

            Probably not in Tiflis, but in the port of Poti, OUR drowned Georgian boats.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 26 September 2013 18: 52
      0
      Quote: ultra
      Why not?

      You can want it. But that’s not enough. You still have to be able to
      The problems of the separatists had to be addressed immediately, and now they are already well settled and established cooperation.
      And Russia is not the same as before, when I had a drink, it’s free all day.
      Georgians are simply shown their true place in this reality, otherwise you understand a small but proud ....
      If Aliyev is not, he will make Russia an offer that she cannot refuse
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 25 September 2013 16: 46
    +5
    EssengerGeorgia killed Russian citizens, separatists in the North Caucasus, Russia comes around, Russophobe Would you go from here? I'm sick of people like you.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 25 September 2013 16: 51
      +3
      Quote: Marrying
      I'm sick of people like you.


      Of course))) It would be even unpleasant for me if the chauvinists treated me well)))

      Quote: Marrying
      Would you go from here?

      Is this a question or suggestion?
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 03
        +3
        Essenger Surely there are websites on the military topics of the country of Kazakhstan, right?) Well, there your lie about the Georgian aggression will be supported by the same patriots. And I don’t want to hear a lie that they are trying to translate into the truth .. well, I'm sorry ... so that you are a Russophobe, you definitely need to go to anti-Russian sites.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 06
          +3
          Zhenya,
          do not bother))) directly tell me you sent me or asked what am I doing here?
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 17
            0
            Essenger Dear, I kind of wrote everything to you clearly and I’m not going to bustle, if I openly call you a Russophobe, why should I bustle. Just all subsequent conversations with you will be reduced to your Russophobia ..
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 25 September 2013 17: 28
              +5
              Quote: Marrying
              Just all subsequent conversations with you will be reduced to your Russophobia ..


              As I understand it, you will not discuss with me anymore? crying
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 42
                +1
                You obviously know how to ulcer.
            2. T80UM1
              T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 45
              +2
              Listen, note you will continue to behave like that such as Essenger will become more and more. Do not lie before your attacks on my country, I was a moderate supporter of the alliance with Russia, but after that I am more and more inclined towards the position of Essenger.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 25 September 2013 19: 04
      0
      Eugene, do not believe me, from your comments vomiting general !!!
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 25 September 2013 21: 50
      +2
      Quote: Marrying
      Russophobe Would you go from here? I'm sick of people like you.

      It’s as if you are pleasant to us here, I don’t like it, I went from here.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 25 September 2013 18: 47
    0
    Quote: Aeneas
    Georgians also attacked Russia

    Do not need La La - the territory of South Ossetia is not the territory of Russia.
    Quote: Aeneas
    Ideally, Georgia should have kicked everyone

    nonsense. Russia only got even for its peacekeepers
  • Essenger
    Essenger 25 September 2013 13: 10
    +1
    Quote: Ascetic
    The CSTO bloc has never participated in the suppression and elimination of a conflict at the state or regional level.


    You are probably used to suppress dissent, as you did in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, etc.

    Thank God that is the 21st century.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 25 September 2013 15: 43
      +3
      Century 21, only dissent is choking better than in 20. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria ... who is the next dissenting?
    2. avt
      avt 25 September 2013 16: 16
      +2
      Quote: Essenger
      You are probably used to suppress dissent, as you did in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, etc.

      Thank God that is the 21st century.

      Yeah, now they’re not suppressing - they bring democracy and human rights to the masses through humanitarian bombing, according to the list indicated to you.
      Quote: alicante11
      Century 21, only dissent is choking better than in 20. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria ... who is the next dissenting?

      Although the campaign, like our "human rights defenders" such as Alekseeva, is quite comme il faut for you, since it comes from the Naglo-Saxons. Well, we are still far from that. Can you try? Support? Well, do not bring in troops, but immediately humanitarian bombing in the Naglo-Saxon manner when you see , non-violation of human rights and the absence of democracy ", well, for its subsequent" democracy "triumph? And it is cheaper for us and it is more pleasant for you.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 25 September 2013 16: 31
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Although the campaign, like our "human rights activists" such as Alekseeva, for you it is quite comme il faut, since it comes from the Naglo-Saxons.


        I don’t even have a clue what this is about. I don’t particularly follow the extrapolitical battles in Russia. I’m not interested.
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 39
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Well, do not send troops, but immediately humanitarian bombing in a blatantly Saxon manner


        let's not talk about the bombing ... smile all major states like to hold such actions .... hi they are all with sins ...
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 26 September 2013 06: 08
          0
          For example? Who and when did Russia bomb?
  • avt
    avt 25 September 2013 15: 55
    +3
    Quote: Ascetic
    In my opinion, the situation in the CSTO can be characterized as a rule of 3 "not"
    uncertainty, instability and unpredictability. . Karimov’s turns alone are worth something. The CSTO bloc has never participated in the suppression and elimination of a conflict at the state or regional level.

    Absolutely right ! good According to the participating countries and their interests, almost a swan, cancer and pike move only because the bear rested in the cart and drags it from the back, but again, in their opinion, not there.
  • scientist
    scientist 25 September 2013 10: 13
    +1
    Quote: avt
    Zadornov can give a concert

    Precisely, Kazakhstani generals look especially ridiculous, who are being sent in packs for bribes, and they are not being reduced. And only one general border guard found the courage to shoot himself.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 25 September 2013 10: 19
      11
      Quote: scientist
      Quote: avt
      Zadornov can give a concert

      Precisely, Kazakhstani generals look especially ridiculous, who are being sent in packs for bribes, and they are not being reduced. And only one general border guard found the courage to shoot himself.


      But I find it funny when Serdyukov is a "witness" in corruption cases.
      1. d1m1drol
        d1m1drol 25 September 2013 10: 28
        0
        Don’t worry about Serduchka ... they’ll put me in prison when the government needs a rating .. I think before the elections exactly ...
        1. vlad_pr
          vlad_pr 25 September 2013 12: 02
          +2
          They will not be imprisoned. Look at how all sorts of sliskas, matvienki, chubais, etc. feel, their name is legion ...
          Sincerely.
          1. d1m1drol
            d1m1drol 25 September 2013 12: 27
            -1
            Yes, they didn’t seem to be dragging them around by the prosecutor’s offices, etc. ... and I’m afraid that you are still right ... but I’d like to hope.
            1. alone
              alone 25 September 2013 20: 24
              +3
              DO NOT PLANT YOURSELF !!
      2. avt
        avt 25 September 2013 17: 24
        0
        Quote: Essenger
        But I find it funny when Serdyukov is a "witness" in corruption cases.

        We already laughed, not even sadly, mundane, and annoyingly.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 25 September 2013 12: 05
      +8
      It is gratifying that in Kazakhstan, bribe-generals are planted in batches, and in other republics they are fattening day by day. Glad for the Kazakhs.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 25 September 2013 10: 25
    +4
    Even in this CSTO, Russia is trying to use everyone who is not lazy to achieve their goals. The real ally of Russia in this alliance is only Belarus. The adjacent territories are intertwined here, and I hope that when Putin and Lukashenko stop barking with each other, there are joint military and economic interests. Some kind of Sargsyan, some kind of Armenia ... The interests of Russia should be above all, and the feuds of Azeris and Armenians come from the Middle Ages, and let them deal with each other themselves ...
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 25 September 2013 11: 32
      +5
      Kazakhstan is very important. He covers almost the whole of Central Asia.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 25 September 2013 11: 50
        +4
        Moreover, this is a strategic region, if we consider Kazakhstan as a springboard for an attack on Russia, it is in the very underbelly from where it is best to strike at the main resource deposits and agricultural and industrial regions (Urals, Siberia, Caspian-Kuban)
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 25 September 2013 11: 47
    +7
    Quote: Mitek
    And I advise you not to remember

    A nation that forgets its past is doomed to dwell. On the contrary, history is the root on which the nation’s spirituality is based.
  • slacker
    slacker 25 September 2013 11: 54
    0
    Sargsyan’s words are not only a message to all CSTO members to remember the letter of this Treaty itself, but they also completely reveal the main goals of Armenia’s entry into the Organization. This obvious goal is an attempt at any suitable moment to resolve the Karabakh issue using the CSTO forces and means.


    I already wrote on this topic, but I repeat again.
    If Armenia needs Karabakh, then let Yerevan shake its diaspora for money and pay for hard currency with Russian weapons. Now Russia actually contains Armenia and this is an anomaly. But an even greater anomaly is that the Russians also defend the Armenian prisoner at their own expense.
    1. Gari
      Gari 25 September 2013 14: 34
      +5
      Quote: Loafer
      Now Russia actually contains Armenia and this is an anomaly.

      Nobody contains Armenia, and the Diaspora helps a lot, as it should be, because Armenia is a Diaspora, and moreover no one will fight for us. Themselves always defended their land, their homeland, there was a Union, and my grandfathers fought for the Soviet homeland, one came to Berlin, the other was pulled from Stalingrad. Great-grandfather in the Tsarist army fought on the Caucasian front.
      1. kNow
        kNow 26 September 2013 14: 42
        -1
        Quote: Gari
        the diaspora helps a lot, as it should be, because Armenia is a Diaspora

        she already helped you once, provoking a conflict with Azerbaijan, you still can’t recover
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  • Day 11
    Day 11 25 September 2013 13: 06
    +1
    Where is Harry? I have to check in. I just don’t have to poison him. He is at least trying to justify this conflict.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 25 September 2013 13: 24
      +3
      Hi Denis! Gary and so it is noted - every day from under the hood puts minuses. Denis, you wonder how they justify the occupation?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 25 September 2013 13: 28
        0
        No, dear Rauf, I just want to figure it out.
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 25 September 2013 13: 33
        +3
        By the way, perhaps I’ll go to visit a friend in Baku (November-December, how it will turn out with a vacation). hi
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 25 September 2013 13: 34
          +6
          Welcome! Guests are always welcome!
      3. Arminian power
        Arminian power 26 September 2013 05: 54
        0
        OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO in this business you master
    2. Gari
      Gari 25 September 2013 14: 26
      +4
      Quote: Den 11
      Where is Harry?

      Good afternoon, sorry, I haven’t been to the site, I don’t visit often lately, it turns out that I honestly read the article and didn’t even want to write any comments, I’m not going to justify and defend anyone.
      until I saw your comment addressed to me.
      I’ll just say this and my opinion of the CSTO is an interesting structure, which includes different countries with their own interests.
      The same Kazakhstan where President Nazarbayev is, by the way I respect him very much and others.
      For us, the main strategic cooperation with Russia, and thank God it is developing successfully, is now going to be together in the Customs Union.
      Gary and so it is noted - every day from under the hood puts minuses
      I’m not offended, everyone thinks by his standards.
      If I have problems with anyone, I decide when I meet a man.
      Good luck everyone .
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 25 September 2013 15: 21
        +1
        How "masculine" users solve problems under a certain flag, we know from the swear words sent by PM to some Azerbaijani users. For some reason, the senders of these "messages" are sure that others do not know the Armenian language. What is noteworthy is that this style of behavior is also characteristic of their government, which is ready to hide under any wing, be it the CSTO or the EU, so long as they are not left alone with Azerbaijan.
        1. Gari
          Gari 25 September 2013 15: 48
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          How "like a man" users solve problems under a certain flag, we know from the curses,

          Your heroes come to us, personally, not one or two visited my classmates, where I am with my family, of course I will not write all the insults to my and my family’s address, as well as wishes ,,
          and your president is a separate issue altogether, declare the enemy of all Armenians around the world
          Quote: xetai9977
          if only they would not be left face to face with Azerbaijan
          with both Turkey and Israel your faithful allies
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 42
            0
            Quote: Gari
            the enemy of all Armenians around the world


            Harry.Do not mix))). He talked about the diaspora and the aggressive policy of the state of Armenia .-- maybe this is not so, maybe Armenia lost its 20% of the territory ..... but I understand that it’s up to YOU ​​to give all of Azerbaijan Armenia ..)) then he will be good, he will compose odes laughing
            1. Gari
              Gari 25 September 2013 17: 14
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              he talked about the diaspora and the aggressive policy of the state of Armenia .--

              From the article Is obscurantism contagious? Ilham Aliyev declared all Armenians in the world "enemies" of Azerbaijan
              23: 02 02.03.2012
              http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1330714920
              Aliyev divided "Azerbaijan's ill-wishers" into several groups: "First of all, our main enemies are the world Armenians ...
              No, we won’t, but we like him
              For Armenia, the most beneficial result would be if the incumbent head of state, Ilham Aliyev, won the upcoming presidential elections in Azerbaijan. This was stated by the President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan on August 17 at a meeting with the participants of the All-Armenian youth rally "Baze-2013" in Tsaghkadzor.

              Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/1696169.html#ixzz2fuTcdUI5
  • scientist
    scientist 25 September 2013 13: 20
    +2
    A friend in need is a friend indeed.
    Quote: Aeneas
    Belarusians and Kazakhs did not even recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
    There were games for Lukashenko who did not hesitate to arrange trade in the circle of recognition of independence, and there was also a Chechen company in which some CSTO countries did not even hesitate to shelter militants.
    I think it's time for Russian politicians to analyze the appropriateness of the CSTO and how much it costs politically and economically.
    Political alliances are very much needed "one is not a warrior in the field", but full-fledged friendship can only be equal to honey, and alliances with countries whose political and economic vectors coincide, and not with multi-vector political issues ...
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 25 September 2013 13: 25
      +7
      Quote: scientist
      and there was also a Chechen company in which some CSTO countries did not even hesitate to shelter the militants.


      The man who declared jihad of Russia right now is included in the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Kazakhstan.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 25 September 2013 23: 03
        +2
        Quote: scientist
        "there is safety in numbers",
        And one warrior in the field, looking who this one is and who this warrior is.
        Quote: scientist
        full friendship can only be equal to honey
        There is no talk of any friendship. The Russian Federation, as the successor of the Soviet Union, is "interesting" with the help of the CSTO to keep its sphere of interests from the penetration of other big players and to preserve the relative integrity of the former buffer space, albeit not in the same capacity as in the times of the Union republics, but after all and time does not stand still. And Russia is not going to give up this "interesting" game in the near future, except that the Earth will hit its own axis, but then everyone will not care about everything (take the hint smile) So, Russia is not going to leave the blessed Caucasus for the next draft generation anywhere. And where will you go from it, to the Kuban steppes? No, we will still fight for the buffer space, and then --- there will be you, gentlemen, enemies, and the steppes ( "... Here the soldiers are walking along the scorched steppe, quietly singing a song about birches and maples ...")
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 25 September 2013 14: 34
    +4
    Quote: Gari
    Quote: Den 11
    Where is Harry?

    Good afternoon, sorry, I haven’t been to the site, I don’t visit often lately, it turns out that I honestly read the article and didn’t even want to write any comments, I’m not going to justify and defend anyone.
    until I saw your comment addressed to me.
    I’ll just say this and my opinion of the CSTO is an interesting structure, which includes different countries with their own interests.
    The same Kazakhstan where President Nazarbayev is, by the way I respect him very much and others.
    For us, the main strategic cooperation with Russia, and thank God it is developing successfully, is now going to be together in the Customs Union.
    Gary and so it is noted - every day from under the hood puts minuses
    I’m not offended, everyone thinks by his standards.
    If I have problems with anyone, I decide when I meet a man.
    Good luck everyone .

    Plus you ..!
  • xtur
    xtur 25 September 2013 16: 25
    +4
    I’m not going to discuss this article reasonably, because for the argumentation in the topics related to the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, regardless of its quality, I get a bunch of minuses.

    And the quality of arguments in politics, unlike military-technical issues, cannot be measured. Therefore, either it is necessary to disable the rating in the discussion of such articles, or even remove them from the site
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 25 September 2013 16: 48
      +1
      I agree. Azerbaijanis are not patient, they translate any topic. How Armenia defeated them in the 90s and probably want it again, but this time they will take Baku lol
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 50
        +1
        Quote: Marrying
        but this time they’ll take Buck


        and on the road capturing the southern part of Russia ... laughing
        1. Zhenya
          Zhenya 25 September 2013 16: 55
          +5
          smersh70 Do you know how much Armenia exists? During this time, there were no conflicts between Russia and Armenia, Russians always treat Armenians with respect. Yes, perhaps there were misunderstandings, but nothing more.
          ps Although let Chechnya be taken away, less headache.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 17: 11
            +1
            Quote: Marrying
            Do you know how much Armenia exists

            leave these tales to other comrades)))))) here is a completely different topic --- we have already spoken out in other articles on this subject))))
            Quote: Marrying
            Yes, perhaps there were misunderstandings, but nothing more.

            wow misunderstanding - they wanted to chop off Rostov with Krasnodar laughing
            1. Zhenya
              Zhenya 25 September 2013 17: 23
              +2
              smersh70 In Russia, every country is trying to chop something. wink
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 09
                +3
                Quote: Marrying
                In Russia, every country is trying to chop off something


                maybe someone wants to chop off. but not us smile but only one state wants from YOU not a bit, but all, and this state is the USA !!!!!!!
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 25 September 2013 21: 14
                  +2
                  And? Will you help this state-university? It will not be possible to sit aside! Or with us, or ...!
                  1. alone
                    alone 25 September 2013 21: 30
                    +3
                    Denis, hi! Russia is near, where 280km to the north, and the United States is over 8000km. You think we are completely out of our minds to support someone against Russia. And not to choose or-and here they have entered the non-aligned movement. And yet, the constitution clearly indicates the territory of Azerbaijan cannot be used by foreign troops against neighbors.
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 25 September 2013 21: 34
                      +3
                      Hello, old man! That's just it. We are biting here. The WORLD mess will begin --- unite! (I believe in it --- everything is too tight with us)
                      1. alone
                        alone 25 September 2013 22: 01
                        +3
                        what I don’t know about the country, but I’ll answer for myself so yes, if necessary, I will be with you. I can find the grave of my grandfather, who died in the 43rd in Smolensk))
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Den 11
                    Or with us, or ...!


                    I will be in the ranks of the Belarusian partisans !!!! drinks after all, my second MOTHERLAND !!!!!
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 25 September 2013 22: 00
                      +3
                      And mine drinks At a minimum, there are two of us who will not shoot at a friend’s friend. And my friend is also half Russian and half Azerbaijani
                      1. smersh70
                        smersh70 25 September 2013 22: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: Den 11
                        And mine


                        Jaku Syabar !!! good where will you come from)))
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 25 September 2013 22: 20
                        0
                        From Minsk, my friend. Chizhovka is my district! And the first love is the district Velozavod wink
                      3. smersh70
                        smersh70 25 September 2013 22: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Den 11
                        From Minsk, my friend. Chizhovka is my area! And


                        I am also from Minsk !!!! center .. Sverdlov .. K. Marx .. fellow and my first love is only Brest region !!!! drinks .
                  3. alone
                    alone 25 September 2013 22: 14
                    +4
                    drinks wassat

                    a squad is slowly being formed))
                  4. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 25 September 2013 22: 20
                    +1
                    When do we perform? drinks
                  5. studentmati
                    studentmati 25 September 2013 22: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    When do we perform?


                    As far as a complete set of specialists in all necessary fields. drinks
                  6. smersh70
                    smersh70 25 September 2013 22: 34
                    +3
                    Quote: studentmati
                    As far as a complete set of specialists


                    not women laughing and who will cook in the kitchen))))))))
                  7. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 25 September 2013 22: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: smersh70
                    and who will cook in the kitchen)))))
                    Well, somehow we can handle it. laughing
                  8. studentmati
                    studentmati 25 September 2013 22: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Well, somehow we can handle it.


                    It will be much easier to cope with food than with food, and even + women preparing food. stop
                  9. smersh70
                    smersh70 25 September 2013 22: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: studentmati
                    than with food, and even + women preparing food.


                    do not take women with you fellow otherwise I’ll lose 50% of the vote again laughing
              2. Day 11
                Day 11 25 September 2013 22: 41
                +1
                And Lenka was from Serebryanka. Mmm, a beautiful girl! True, I was 7 years older than me, but what is it for a kid of a 21-year-old woman under 30? smile
              3. smersh70
                smersh70 25 September 2013 22: 43
                +2
                Quote: Den 11
                And Lenka was from Serebryanka


                and I have a little light from Serebryanka) 0 near the cinema lived))) here the article was about women, so there Belarus put it in first place in terms of beauty good
              4. Alex 241
                Alex 241 25 September 2013 22: 47
                +3
                Quote: smersh70
                than with food, and even + women preparing food.

                Quote: smersh70
                Quote: Den 11
                And Lenka was from Serebryanka


                and I have a little light from Serebryanka) 0 near the cinema lived))) here the article was about women, so there Belarus put it in first place in terms of beauty good
                And as usual, it came down to one laughing
              5. studentmati
                studentmati 25 September 2013 22: 54
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                And as usual it came down to one laughing


                The conclusion means that the men have not yet transferred! drinks
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 25 September 2013 22: 52
    0
    Quote: Den 11
    Aside, it will not be possible to sit out!

    Why is this? Switzerland and Luxembourg have quite survived two world wars. Do not do dirty tricks and everything will be fine
    1. alone
      alone 25 September 2013 22: 57
      +2
      Michael, Luxembourg was both times occupied by the Germans. But Switzerland completely survived and, to be honest, it’s full of pockets))
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 25 September 2013 23: 00
      0
      How do you explain? Nominally they did not participate in the war. But FINANCE? If you are not a stupid person, try to understand the essence of the problem yourself. I asked you a vector ...
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 25 September 2013 23: 06
        +1
        Swedish concern supplied Germany with bearings
        Data on ships sailing to Europe from the USA,
        Wehrmacht received from Swiss insurance companies. During the war, American corporations had branches in Germany.
        The Ford plant in Cologne produced trucks for the Wehrmacht companies.
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 25 September 2013 23: 16
        +3
        By the way, yes. Who set up Flak 36/37 (and subsequent) 88 mm?
      3. Alex 241
        Alex 241 25 September 2013 23: 21
        +3
        Denis, the same one and Erlikony.
        I mean, the country. Concerns are different: Semag, and Bofos.
  • Gur
    Gur 25 September 2013 17: 59
    +4
    In 1917, in connection with the collapse of the Russian Empire and the secession of the latter, Karabakh was in fact a state governed by the Assembly of Armenians of Karabakh. Azerbaijanis building their state, despite the vast majority of Armenians in the region, have challenged the right of Armenians to govern Karabakh. The region has become a scene of violent clashes between Azerbaijanis and Armenians for several years. To solve the territorial dispute, Azerbaijanis resorted to the help of the British, Turks and Bolsheviks in their favor. Azerbaijan has achieved success with foreign assistance.
  • Gur
    Gur 25 September 2013 18: 01
    +2
    Not later than from the second century. BC e. the region became part of Greater Armenia as a province (in Greco-Roman sources [10]). From the beginning of the II century BC. e. until the 90s IV century AD e. the territory of modern Nagorno-Karabakh was within the borders of the Armenian state Great Armenia of the dynasty,
    1. kNow
      kNow 26 September 2013 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: Gur
      Not later than from the second century. BC e. region joined the Great Armenia

      and where was Karabakh before? laughing

      Quote: Gur
      From the beginning of the II century BC. e. until the 90s IV century AD e. the territory of modern Nagorno-Karabakh was within the borders of the Armenian state of Great Armenia dynasty

      but when these territories were part of tsarist Russia - there was no Armenian state, there were Azerbaijani khanates, with which the tsar's governors agreed
      1. Gari
        Gari 26 September 2013 15: 42
        -1
        Quote: kNow
        there were Azerbaijani khanates, with which the tsar's governors agreed

        And where are the Azerbaijani khanates on this map?
        And it turns out that Tsarist Russia agreed?
        But you generally read the story, you can read on this site here in great detail everything is described how Russia conquered these territories from the Persians.
        1. kNow
          kNow 26 September 2013 16: 29
          +1
          Quote: Gari
          And where are the Azerbaijani khanates on this map?


          take the binoculars and look carefully at the map, instead of stealthily minus

          Quote: Gari
          And it turns out that Tsarist Russia agreed?

          With compliant - yes, with non-compliant - fought

          Quote: Gari
          But you generally read the story, you can read on this site here in great detail everything is described how Russia conquered these territories from the Persians.

          I know a better story than yours laughing khanates is a form of Azerbaijani statehood, there were no khanates in Persia, do not disgrace lol
          1. Gari
            Gari 26 September 2013 17: 11
            0
            Quote: kNow
            I know better than your history the khanates - this is a form of Azerbaijani statehood, there were no khanates in Persia, do not disgrace

            What statehood ???
            Yes, until 1918 you didn’t have any statehood at all and again show you a photo of your ancestors of the Caucasian Tatars.
            Where is there even a mention of Azerbaijan on this map?
            And cons from the under-think by your standards
            Good luck to you all on the virtual front
            1. kNow
              kNow 26 September 2013 17: 44
              +2
              Quote: Gari
              Yes, until 1918 you didn’t have any statehood at all and again show you a photo of your ancestors of the Caucasian Tatars.
              Where is there even a mention of Azerbaijan on this map?

              no, you really need binoculars laughing look at the map - above the inscription "Persia" - what is written there? lol the borders of 1801, by the way
              Quote: Gari
              Good luck to you all on the virtual front

              is your working day over? it turns out to develop a daily norm? request
              1. Gari
                Gari 26 September 2013 19: 03
                +1
                Quote: kNow
                no, you really need binoculars look at the map - above the inscription "Persia" - what is written there? borders of 1801, by the way
                Quote: Gari

                Exactly Persia, but where is Azerbaijan?
                Quote: kNow
                is your working day over? it turns out to develop a daily norm?

                Yes, it’s over, and now at home, so what, and at home I have a computer, I still have a laptop, then what, and if you have work on this site, then you’ve all opened up, I’m just a hobby, and I respect this site and therefore read it I write comments, articles.
                1. kNow
                  kNow 26 September 2013 20: 48
                  +1
                  buy binoculars, then continue
  • Gur
    Gur 25 September 2013 18: 03
    +1
    I apologize for the computer failing the above quotes from the encyclopedia, so you don’t need to wash yourself with especially bloody tears, but in general all the feuds are very bad for ordinary people from any side of the world to our homes
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 25 September 2013 18: 49
    +4
    What difference does it make in what century, when the USSR collapsed, who included that territory. Give Azerbaijan their territory and live in peace. The Kazakhs will definitely not fight, but in any case they will support Azerbaijan.
    1. scientist
      scientist 25 September 2013 21: 33
      0
      No need to be a hypocrite. Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are united by the Caspian oil shelf. And where big money begins, alliances, friendship and international law end there.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 25 September 2013 22: 13
        +2
        Quote: scientist
        Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are united by the Caspian oil shelf. And where big money begins, alliances, friendship and international law end there.

        Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan have successfully agreed !!!
        Disputes with Turkmenistan and Iran.
        So that we have everything ok.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 25 September 2013 23: 04
          +6
          Quote: Yeraz
          Quote: scientist
          Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are united by the Caspian oil shelf. And where big money begins, alliances, friendship and international law end there.

          Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan have successfully agreed !!!
          Disputes with Turkmenistan and Iran.
          So that we have everything ok.


          Assalam! Kardash has not seen you on the site for a long time.
      2. kNow
        kNow 26 September 2013 14: 53
        +2
        Quote: scientist
        Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are united by the Caspian oil shelf. And where big money begins, alliances, friendship and international law end there.

        Azerbaijan has no disputed property with Kazakhstan - we have nothing to share, except for good relations
  • Gur
    Gur 25 September 2013 19: 28
    +1
    We write here let the foam go but believe from our debates the world will not change unfortunately, and I understand the disputed territories all countries have and will and God forbid that everything is resolved by the world, and God bless Russia health, it’s certainly moglab and had reason to present territorial a dispute to almost all countries of the post-Soviet space for most of which she shed blood.
  • IvanGam
    IvanGam 25 September 2013 20: 34
    +1
    Good afternoon.
    I would like to add my comment on this article, as a resident of Kazakhstan, of course, in the situation with Serdyukov - his position as a witness in a criminal case is extremely unpleasant, but we should not forget about Daniyal Kenzhitaevich, who is also at large, and yes in the civil service ..... in the vehicle apparatus in Moscow. To clarify the situation, this person was once the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and "slammed" together with a Jew (a citizen of the Zionist entity) $ 300 million ..... but only deputies ... familiar picture? And the real player and mover of all this farce with the CSTO is only one - this is Russia, unfortunately in no other country from this agreement of the leadership there is no will and a special desire to fully fulfill the terms of this agreement ..... Well, perhaps, over time, Old Man will start something to decide, but in Kazakhstan it is possible only after the arrival of the heir, and even then, if there is no Turkish or Chinese protege .......
  • IvanGam
    IvanGam 25 September 2013 20: 50
    0
    this flag went to (((USA ... and how to put the flag of Kazakhstan?
    1. kNow
      kNow 26 September 2013 14: 55
      +1
      Mobile Internet? do not pay attention, it happens
  • IvanGam
    IvanGam 25 September 2013 20: 59
    +2
    I have nothing to do with AI, but for some reason their flag (((I immediately start to feel myself "exceptional")
  • IvanGam
    IvanGam 25 September 2013 21: 17
    +1
    In South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the Georgian authorities themselves have achieved this for the last quarter of a century, and the fact that the CSTO members did not support Russia in recognizing these republics in my understanding of this situation speaks of the weakness of these republics in the international political arena (they did not want to offend anyone) and the fear of consequences from sides of the "world community", as well as the absence of reliable partners in the CSTO in Russia. The opinion is purely personal, with which the official position of the countries of the parties to the treaty, as well as the opinion of users of this site, may not coincide.
  • Black
    Black 25 September 2013 21: 32
    0
    Quote: Marrying
    In Russia, every country is trying to chop something.

    As said, now elevated to the Great, one politician, Russia is not a project, Russia is fate.
    With the power of history, spirit, territory, resources, we are forced (gifted by fate) not to live in peace. We ourselves do not live, and we do not give our neighbors. ("Calm is a relative concept ... Libya, Yugoslavia, ... an example of that)
    CSTO - a project aimed at the future. As long as the countries adhering to the alliance with Russia do not feel external threats, they will paralyze on the treaty, simultaneously trying to solve some of these minute tasks. Everything will change and that period is short.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 25 September 2013 21: 33
    +2
    Why Kazakhstan should recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia, he did not recognize Kosovo. As with the collapse, everything should remain the same, otherwise tomorrow the mess will begin. You do not tolerate the independence of Chechnya or Tatarstan.
    1. scientist
      scientist 25 September 2013 21: 46
      +2
      Quote: Kazbek
      Why should Kazakhstan recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia,
      Because the military-political union of the CSTO obliges this. Otherwise, what is the meaning of the union?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 25 September 2013 22: 20
        +1
        Quote: scientist
        Because the military-political union of the CSTO obliges this. Otherwise, what is the meaning of the union?

        You all can’t understand that the CSTO is beneficial to everyone except Russia and is using it ??? This is the structure from which Russia tried to make something intelligible, but it turned out as always. If the closest Belarusians to you scored what you expected from others ??
        The CSTO is a fiction and no one there will come running to each other, but since its creator is Russia, it will always come running so as not to lose face.
      2. T80UM1
        T80UM1 26 September 2013 08: 19
        +2
        There is one Eugene who writes about the fact that we are from this union to drive. And such as Zhenya in Russia 30%. Today's allies are enemies of tomorrow. Why then argue with the rest?
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 25 September 2013 22: 04
    +1
    to all the norm. guys salaam alaikum !! Wow I'm here again, but not leaving for a long time soon)))
    Well, in the article it’s not surprising what the CIS is like, everyone knows the CSTO. No matter how Sargsyan was indignant, Kazakhs are our brothers, both by faith and by genetics, this is more or less neutral thanks to a considerable share of Russian population, the Kazakh population itself would be unambiguous. Kazakhstan is the real real third pillar of the Turkic world, along with Baku and Ankara. Smart Kazakhs do not forget about the northern neighbor, but they do not let themselves sit on their necks and actively cooperate in the Turkic world, bringing their tangible contribution in contrast to other Turkic countries.
    Therefore, Russia, and again Russia, will not succeed in creating and selling something for the Armenians. Kazakhs will block immediately.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 25 September 2013 22: 37
      +3
      Quote: Yeraz
      Whoa, I'm here again, but I’m not leaving for a long time soon)))


      and what .. where to go .there is there no Internet chtoli laughing also grab the phone to go to our beloved VO !!!!!! drinks
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 25 September 2013 23: 38
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        and what .. where to go .there is there no Internet chtoli grab the phone to go to our beloved VO !!!!!!

        There is an Internet, but there will be no time, I will be absent for a month or so))
  • k.diversant
    k.diversant 26 September 2013 12: 32
    0
    Quote: T80UM1
    There is one Eugene who writes about the fact that we are from this union to drive. And such as Zhenya in Russia 30%. Today's allies are enemies of tomorrow. Why then argue with the rest?
    Are there any polls or is this your personal opinion about 30%?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 26 September 2013 15: 51
    -2
    What a nafig CSTO. Of all this "Union" only Russia has a real army and weight in the world. The rest are so pugs. Disperse nafig everyone.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 26 September 2013 15: 57
    +3
    Friends from Armenia and Azerbaijan! It’s good to swear already. Yesterday I jumped off this thread, today I looked, the same thing! We need to somehow get out of this swamp. Can forgive each other?
    1. genisis
      genisis 26 September 2013 16: 05
      0
      As a result of the incident on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border on the eve of September 24, 26-year-old resident of Aygedzor village of Tavush region of Armenia Edik Dallakyan was killed. Details of the incident in an interview with Panorama.am correspondent were reported by the head of the village Aygedzor Sasun Safaryan.

      According to him, the pigs, who were fed by a resident of Aygedzor, went to the Armenian-Azerbaijani border, when Edik Dallakyan tried to catch them, stepped on a mine and injured his legs and arms as a result of the explosion.

      Sasun Safaryan also said that the villagers and doctors hastened to help the wounded man, however, the Azerbaijani side fired at the territory for 15 minutes, not letting anyone near the scene.

      “They still managed to get to the wounded. But the young man died of blood loss on the way to the hospital, ”the village headman said, adding that by the time the doctors arrived, Edik Dallakyan was still conscious.
      1. kNow
        kNow 26 September 2013 16: 32
        +2
        Quote: genisis
        According to him, the pigs whom the resident of Aygedzor grazed, headed to the Armenian-Azerbaijani borderWhen Edik Dallakyan tried to catch them, he stepped on a mine and injured his legs and arms as a result of the explosion.

        ours mined the territory across the border? recourse maybe after all, I ran into an Armenian mine?
    2. Gari
      Gari 26 September 2013 16: 29
      0
      Quote: Den 11
      Yesterday I jumped off this thread, today I looked in, the same thing!

      Dear you wouldn’t ask me, I wouldn’t go at all, and so you jumped off and I stayed.
      And that’s enough, I agree long enough
      I’m definitely going out
      Good luck, this site is full of other interesting topics.
      1. Gari
        Gari 26 September 2013 18: 59
        -1
        And for this, too, a minus from the undercoat, but they also say
  • k.diversant
    k.diversant 26 September 2013 16: 26
    0
    Quote: ed65b
    What a nafig CSTO. Of all this "Union" only Russia has a real army and weight in the world. The rest are so pugs. Disperse nafig everyone.

    Yeah, and then half the dispersed will join NATO, and on the other half it will bring about democracy, long live Afghanistan on the border with Russia what
  • helg717
    helg717 27 September 2013 17: 20
    0
    And Armenia, and Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan, are all right. It seems that the truth is different for everyone. We are exchanging quotes, links and so on. But the reality is that we are all forced to use double standards. Armenia has NEVER fought with Azerbaijan. This is true. But to Spain, volunteers from the USSR also traveled with battalions, regiments and brigades. If you didn’t fight, then the territory cannot be occupied (this is already international law). But what does the NPO Armed Forces without Armenia mean? They mean something, but ... they don’t mean what they say.
    Do we need a CSTO? At least, we need to understand each other. I worked with ripples from the CRRF, from the CBDN of the CAR, with peacekeepers. We often don’t understand each other here, and they, by the way, understand each other. And the CSTO has a future, a number of international organizations are already working with it, the CSTO peacekeepers have been assigned to the UN DPKO reserves, and NATO recognizes the regional role of the organization. And the problems above the roof that need to be addressed.
    And do not offer either Kazakhstan or Armenia to leave the organization. Better Azerbaijan Join drinks maybe then together they would find a way out. Optimistic? Too? And we tried, huh?
  • Druid
    Druid 27 September 2013 22: 54
    +2
    Quote: alicante11
    So she left, from the composition of Azerbaijan in the same way and on the same grounds that Azerbaijan itself was from the USSR. So everything is all right.
    Well, well ... that is, if it leaves Russia from Chechnya, this is wrong, but if Karabakh from Azerbaijan is right.
    If the Chechens make an explosion in the Moscow metro, that’s bad, and if the Armenians make an explosion in the Baku metro, that’s good ... And so on. etc.
    Quote: Den 11
    Can forgive each other?