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Accident "Proton-M": final conclusions

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Accident "Proton-M": final conclusionsState launches of launch vehicles will be prepared as thoroughly as commercial


At past meetings of the government of the Russian Federation (MIC 32, 35), the cause of the Proton-M launch vehicle crash was the incorrect installation of the angular velocity sensors in one of the control system channels. What final decisions are made? On September 13, this was discussed at a meeting of the Military Industrial Commission under the leadership of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

As Dmitry Rogozin noted, after the incident Roscosmos was charged with:

1. Ensure the work of the Interdepartmental Emergency Commission and a group of independent experts to determine the possible causes of premature lifting of the rocket from the launch device.

2. To take urgent measures to finalize the technological and design documentation for installation on the launch vehicle of sensors of angular velocity, as well as when performing similar highly important operations.

3. Investigate and submit to the government a list of those responsible for the accident that took place on July 2 of the year 2013.

4. Report on the timing of the resumption of launches of Proton-M launch vehicles.

Prior to October 1, Roskosmos is also obliged to work with the Ministry of Defense to work out proposals for restoring the required staff of military acceptance specialists at the enterprises of the industry to monitor the quality of the equipment produced.

From the report submitted by Roscosmos, it follows that the agency, together with the Ministry of Defense, adopted a number of organizational and technical measures with the aim of excluding such accidents in the future. The reasons for the premature separation of the missile from the launch equipment were also thoroughly investigated. In this regard, 9 September decided to consider the work of the interdepartmental commission completed and resume launches of the Proton-M launch vehicle. Roscosmos informed the Kazakh side about this.

The head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, said that the incorrect installation of sensors was repeatedly confirmed during the study. To prevent this from happening again, Roskosmos together with the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center developed a detailed work plan for the prevention of rocket and space technology accidents. It has three components.

The first is technical measures that include resizing the base of the angular velocity sensors. From now on, they will have a different shape, which will not allow them to physically be set, even turning them by 180 degrees. Moreover, this operation is returned to the category of the most responsible and will be accompanied not only by the master, the controller, but also the military mission. The State Research and Production Space Center named after MV Khrunichev together with the FSUE “NPTSAP named after academician N. A. Pilyugin” has developed a flow chart, in accordance with which such products are now installed. In addition, the entire stock of missiles was re-checked both at the Baikonur cosmodrome and at the plant.

The second is organizational measures. Previously, the installation of sensors and similar devices, both in the manufacture of the second stage and on the already assembled rocket, was allowed. Now it is strictly determined where and at what stage the sensors should be placed. This operation will also be insured by technical means of control.

Interestingly, for each launch vehicle that is assembled under government programs, special directors for rocket tracking will now be created, the same as those generated by commercial launches. It certainly improved the quality of all operations. And now such directorates will become mandatory for launching missiles according to state programs. And the customers (Roskosmos, RSC Energia, and others) will exercise supervision and end-to-end control of the assembly and preparation of the rocket for launch.

“Until we receive a report on the implementation of this whole set of measures, until we are sure that it has been completed, no decision will be taken to launch irreversible operations with the next carrier rocket, which should be launched by Roscosmos,” Vladimir Popovkin stated categorically at the meeting .

A number of measures taken at the stages of assembly of products. For this purpose, additional studies were conducted, in particular, the defective assembly was disassembled and sent to St. Petersburg, where it was made. The most probable cause of the system failure has been established (except for the incorrect installation of angular velocity sensors) - an early threshold of the electropneumatic valve. This was due to the not quite accurate adjustment of the valve actuator during the pre-launch preparation period, wear of the drive mechanisms, as a result of which it became more sensitive to vibration.

These findings were confirmed when conducting the experiment on a different launcher (No. 39). Tests have shown that the identified deficiencies in the 39-th installation does not apply. It was decided to start a new assembly, and then conduct a comprehensive test.

The entire cyclogram of the missile launch at the very initial stage was also analyzed. It has been established that the control system of the Proton-M launch vehicle absolutely correctly responded to deviations from the norm. After the engines went into service, she began to make the necessary changes to the rocket flight. And if it were not for the angular velocity sensors, the rocket would nevertheless regularly bring the head unit to a given orbit.

The Roskosmos was greatly assisted by an independent expert commission headed by the head of the expert group, Yuri Koptev. She confirmed the reasons that were set out by the emergency committee, which is important. At the same time, independent experts were able to take a broader look at the problem, to draw conclusions and recommendations not only regarding the Proton-M launch vehicle, but also the technology for manufacturing, controlling and producing the entire rocket and space technology.

Based on the acts of the interdepartmental commission and the plan for the implementation of measures, Roskosmos together with the Ministry of Defense and the state commission decided: to complete the work of the emergency commission.

As for the third point of the Work Plan for the prevention of accidents of rocket and space technology, it includes the personnel component. About her at a meeting of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation was spoken without the presence of media representatives. But, I think, in the near future about all personnel decisions and changes in the space industry will be known.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 24 September 2013 11: 15
    +3
    now it remains only to WAIT for the result of these actions. And it’s a pity we destroy what we created with such difficulty ...
    1. Vorkot cat
      Vorkot cat 24 September 2013 12: 49
      +3
      But where to get competent staff?

      Experienced old people have retired, the youth do not want to go there.
      1. AVV
        AVV 24 September 2013 14: 43
        +1
        In the Soviet Union stimulated housing! And now you need to stimulate both housing and wages !!!
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 24 September 2013 15: 12
        +5
        When they pay normally, i.e. more than officials in the region, then young people will go to production!
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 24 September 2013 18: 36
        +2
        Quote: Cat Workot
        But where to get competent staff?


        Grow. Roscosmos, if desired, can choose who it wants.
    2. Nukem999
      Nukem999 24 September 2013 15: 51
      0
      ....................
  2. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 24 September 2013 11: 20
    +2
    yes ...... whatever - until the thunder strikes ..... although it was possible to introduce these standards earlier .... well, at least they introduced them in general - now it seems that it should fly and not fall ...
  3. Tarpon
    Tarpon 24 September 2013 11: 23
    +5
    I think in the near future about all personnel decisions and rearrangements in the space industry will become known.

    I recalled an excerpt from Krylov’s fable:
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down;
    You’re not good at musicians. "
    System changes required.
  4. Sergeant
    Sergeant 24 September 2013 11: 25
    +6
    "Until October 1, Roskosmos is also obliged to work out, together with the Ministry of Defense, proposals for the restoration of the necessary staff of military acceptance specialists at the enterprises of the industry to control the quality of manufactured equipment."

    Okay, at least they restore what they did not have time to finish ..
    I hope (very!) For serious improvements in the Russian comonautics!
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 September 2013 11: 26
    +2
    Everything is as usual Accept to report and then: Analyzed, measures taken and as usual "in the near future, all personnel decisions and rearrangements in the space industry will become known. And all ???
  6. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 11: 36
    +3
    One specialist said that the sensors cannot be installed differently without applying force. There is protection from fools. ”Consequently, sabotage? Isn't it strange that our Western satellites are regularly launching our launch vehicles?
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 24 September 2013 15: 47
      +3
      I agree. Most likely the task was not to take off. Question from whom? Now they are blaming the young guy, it’s good there is someone. It is clear that the person who turned the sensors over knew well what he was doing. The circle narrows to 10-15 people (probably) who was ever involved in the installation.
      We had a case at work in the year 87. They stole an imported robot control unit from the laboratory. The price of the question was about 500 thousand foreign rubles ($). They stole it because of the beautiful light diodes, then everyone was addicted to light music, the rivets riveted, game computers were assembled, and so on .Moreover, we have an electronics department and there were many young people. Otherwise, he needed the house at figs. The factory office howled. We were bullied with friends, they were sitting in the common corridor from where they had stolen, through two doors, and I went to fool around with lunch after dinner, even though our bureau came to them it was on the 4nd floor. (By the way, we are still friends) Well, in short, they put everyone in a pose. They planned to call the police with a dog.
      And a few days later this board was thrown into the corridor. There was a head of another department, whose doors were opposite. Judging by this, he stole, the beetle was still the same. He did not pass by which was bad. But apparently it’s aggravated.
      And so it was a good excuse, all youth with an education in electronics, all of which they construct.
      1. clidon
        clidon 24 September 2013 16: 47
        0
        One specialist said that it is impossible to put sensors differently without using force.

        And the other said that if you wish you can. And I can confirm that everything that can and cannot be confused can be confused.
        You should not draw such far-reaching conclusions on the basis of such vague rumors.
      2. valentin
        valentin 26 September 2013 17: 51
        0
        They are no longer being felled. If they hoped for a lie detector, they used it ... From Khrunichev and then they diverge in circles: “according to the results of a lie detector test of a locksmith-executor, it was revealed that he was not lying, claiming that he had set the blocks normally”.
        So you still need to check the master, the controller ... There is also the drug of TRUTH. Until they confess: "Tutankhamun the Fourth."
        Well, after all Rogozin shows pictures "from under the Experiment" !!! ...
  7. Samy
    Samy 24 September 2013 11: 39
    +7
    "From now on, they will have a different shape, which will not allow you to physically install them, even turning them 180 degrees."

    Yoshkin cat! It has been used for a long time even on the latest tattered Toyota. Well, really on a rocket worth tens and hundreds of millions this elementary technique could not be applied? Now you are beginning to regret that it’s not the 37th ...
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 24 September 2013 15: 51
      +1
      Yes they said, but they chopped it off. Usually they put the keys, some thickenings, recesses.
    2. valentin
      valentin 26 September 2013 17: 59
      0
      One comrade, in a fever of confusion protection, rushed to the back of the computer and shouted: "Now I will just stick this connector anywhere." He poked around and said: "I have no time. I need to go to the shop." Then, nevertheless, they collected a bunch of connectors - fortunately, there are an unmeasured amount of them in the designers' tables. No matter how tricky, it did not work to turn it over.
      "Well, well, the locksmith cut the key!" But a workable (even in some false quality) electrical circuit does not work
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 September 2013 11: 48
    +2
    Yes, sabotage is pure water .. It is not for nothing that the reasons have been published so vaguely before .. (we know these "independent" experts ..)
  9. Gur
    Gur 24 September 2013 11: 54
    +2
    I wonder why the Ministry of Defense understands all this.
  10. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 September 2013 11: 56
    0
    The article is excellent, accurate and concise in essence.
  11. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 24 September 2013 11: 56
    11
    State launches of launch vehicles will be prepared as thoroughly as commercial

    I AM SHOCKED !!! belay
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 24 September 2013 17: 37
      0
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      State launches of launch vehicles will be prepared as thoroughly as commercial


      And THAT !!!!! Chubais knows what to supply!
  12. Semurg
    Semurg 24 September 2013 12: 17
    +1
    Ascetic. judging by the previous comments you are more or less in the subject how do you evaluate the causes of the accident given here and the adequacy of the proposed measures to not repeat the accidents?
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 24 September 2013 20: 46
      +4
      Quote: Semurg
      Ascetic. judging by the previous comments you are more or less in the subject how do you evaluate the causes of the accident given here and the adequacy of the proposed measures to not repeat the accidents?


      The entire cyclogram of rocket launch at the very initial stage is also analyzed. Determined that the Proton-M launch vehicle control system reacted absolutely correctly to deviations from the norm. After the engines went into operation, she began to make the necessary changes to the flight of the rocket. And if it weren’t for the angular velocity sensors, the rocket would still normally bring the head unit to a given orbit.


      This is the reason where they are cunningly writing off everything on the DUS. Probably managed again with cheap foreign components of the CIUS and fell on the sensors. Comments below Scarecrow and air defense, military support
      In general, with these sensors, the system was as follows. At the Kiev Arsenal they collected them in a block. It was called a block of damping gyroscopes. It looked like this from the inside


      Farther this block was sent to the manufacturer of liquid ICBMs in Dnepropetrovsk and the sealed and tested block was already installed and connected to the missile there. It looked like this


      there you can’t turn two legs in the back.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 24 September 2013 20: 59
        +1
        so judging by your koment, the reason has been established, but for the public they have voiced a digestible version (the truth is an ambush from people who understand the space program laughing ). So all the same, the cause of the accident has been established and eliminated and the following Protons will not crash? Sorry for importunity, I understand that you can’t give any guarantees, but still. Just a personal interest - relatives.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 24 September 2013 22: 49
          +6
          Quote: Semurg
          So all the same, the cause of the accident has been established and eliminated and the following Protons will not crash? Sorry for importunity, I understand that you can’t give any guarantees, but still. Just a personal interest - relatives.


          This is only known to God .. Even the slightest violations of the storage mode, compliance with TVR can further affect the operation of known-good systems ... Here, any crack is invisible or the valve can lead to an accident, and sometimes even gross violations of the technology do not affect, because in such a technique a huge reserve of critical parameters has been laid ... I remember we had a rocket (PU Topol) constantly for no reason for a reason issued periodically that just did not do it no matter how it checked, nothing helped, even the priest was called to sanctify, still nothing. that and did not find the cause. And it was launched like clockwork, and what an amazing blank just hit the count as they later said .. QUO = 0 happened .. It happens.
          In general, we like in a song
          Smoked, falling rocket,
          and calculation ran from her.
          Who has ever seen this,
          that horseradish will go to rockets.
          He will not forget, will not forget
          Teachings are dirty ones
          At an unfamiliar settlement
          At an unnamed height.

          You will remember guys
          As Vasya pressed a button,
          And our major, father to the soldiers,
          Skipping across the field ran.

          And will dream for a long, long time
          A large half-pit pit -
          There is no unfamiliar village
          There is no nameless height.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 24 September 2013 23: 11
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            This is known to God alone.


            ... which confirms the truth about the presence of a soul in each item. Each rocket needs an individual approach, as a woman. You can’t handle a rocket like a piece of iron, it doesn’t forgive it.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 24 September 2013 23: 25
              +3
              Quote: studentmati
              . You can’t handle a rocket like a piece of iron, it doesn’t forgive it.


              You can’t use a car, and even more so with a rocket ...
              At the Plesetsk cosmodrome three hours before the launch of the rocket, on a thick layer of frost covered with a third stage
              (the rocket is cooled by liquid oxygen, therefore the frost remains in both winter and summer) they write the female name “Tanya” in meter letters.
              They take it out with a mitten, you can’t with your finger - you will frostbite. That's how they write Tanya.


              It is believed that the rocket, "consecrated" by this name, will certainly fulfill all the tasks.
              At the cosmodrome they say: “Tanya is our amulet!”
              If you forget this tradition, then by all means the rocket is capricious and there will be an accident.
              So in March 1980. they didn’t have time to write a name, the rocket exploded before the start. 48 people died during refueling and preparatory work as a result of the explosion of the Vostok-2M rocket together with the satellite.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 24 September 2013 23: 29
                +2
                Quote: Ascetic
                write the female name "Tanya".


                Unshakable traditions! drinks So do not believe in the unknown!
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 25 September 2013 00: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: studentmati
                  Unshakable traditions! So do not believe in the unknown!


                  Vaughn on the Mace recognized the reason - the incomplete opening of the retractable nozzle nozzle of the second-stage engine, did not begin to write off the DUS. Now the engine for the cap and the entire series for inspection, production defects. And then someone’s interests are hidden ...
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 25 September 2013 00: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    And then someone’s interests are hidden ...


                    They are trying to justify the reforms aimed at reducing supposedly unnecessary costs. Stupidly, everything turns out, in such an expensive industry we come to the truth empirically, while this very truth was proved by blood at the dawn of the rocket and space industry. Why deny the experience gained at such a high price?
                    1. Semurg
                      Semurg 25 September 2013 02: 14
                      +1
                      esteemed.interesting especially at the expense of "tanya". admitting a mistake is the shortest way to remedy the situation, and if they are obscured by this, you must insist on moving relatives.
        2. valentin
          valentin 26 September 2013 18: 08
          0
          If the task is to eliminate the Proton-M launch vehicle, then do not hesitate: a whole system of measures has been thought out. And the fact that one of the measures: the mental trauma of the public in the stink-line has failed, will not have a destructive effect on the entire list of measures taken (to liquidate Proton-M). By the way, nobody saw the stink-line. But there are people who had the "box" on this channel turned on, but saw the "stink-line" already in the replay at 6:00
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 24 September 2013 13: 27
    +3
    They stupidly continue their line ... "And if it were not for the angular velocity sensors, the rocket would nevertheless have put the head unit into a given orbit in a regular manner." ... but it would not have put it ... DO NOT DISPLAY !!! HOW CAN I DISCLOSE WITH A DON'T WORKING ENGINE, HOW !!! Let them bury themselves in the screen with their nose for the umpteenth time watching the start.
    They buried themselves in the form of sensors ... and they looked at the process of installing them ... and what is written there ... how to install ... how to control the installation ... DECADES IT WASN'T DISTURBING AND IT WAS NORMAL, EVERYONE HAS AN UNDERSTANDED WHAT AND HOW TO DO... shorter than complete nonsense.
    1. Airman
      Airman 24 September 2013 14: 32
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      They stupidly continue their line ... "And if it were not for the angular velocity sensors, the rocket would nevertheless have put the head unit into a given orbit in a regular manner." ... but it would not have put it ... DO NOT DISPLAY !!! HOW CAN I DISCLOSE WITH A DON'T WORKING ENGINE, HOW !!! Let them bury themselves in the screen with their nose for the umpteenth time watching the start.
      They buried themselves in the form of sensors ... and they looked at the process of installing them ... and what is written there ... how to install ... how to control the installation ... DECADES IT WASN'T DISTURBING AND IT WAS NORMAL, EVERYONE HAS AN UNDERSTANDED WHAT AND HOW TO DO... shorter than complete nonsense.

      I agree to 1000%. Due to inoperative sensors, the rocket in the air DOES NOT EXPLODE! If ALL experts are in the commission, then it needs to be dispersed.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 24 September 2013 15: 09
        +1
        Heck. according to your posts, it turns out the reason is not established, which means that soon another Proton will fly to the wrong place?
        1. Strashila
          Strashila 24 September 2013 15: 11
          +2
          This is dark ... a component loop.
          1. valentin
            valentin 26 September 2013 18: 20
            0
            Yoksel-moxel tra-ta-ta. Well, what is this train? Explain what happened? Do not you know? He asked, but everyone is at a dead end ... Well done! You have a good stink-line movie there. Look, the rocket rotates around the longitudinal axis counterclockwise when viewed from the tail. This means that "plus" has been confused with "minus" on the EREN control channel. Not HORSE, but CREDEN. The same heel, along which, heeling, the boat scoops up water with its side. This means that the confusion is made in the control algorithm. And then the program for the removal of the damaged missile away from the launch is being worked out. To do this, the SU put the engines along the yaw control channel at a maximum angle of 7,5 degrees.
        2. aviator65
          aviator65 25 September 2013 10: 41
          0
          And most likely, again with GLONASS satellites ...
      2. Strashila
        Strashila 24 September 2013 15: 14
        +1
        The ending ... well, do not notice this.
  14. Sirs
    Sirs 24 September 2013 13: 28
    0
    Well, I said that this is all a production culture !!! Probably they are paid more for commercial launches?
  15. military
    military 24 September 2013 13: 31
    +5
    masters of xx whistle rest ...
    GKNPTs named after M.V. Khrunichev together with FSUE "NPTsP named after academician N.A. Pilyugin" developed a technological map, in accordance with which similar products are now installed.

    nu-nu ... "developed" ... you also tell us that there was no such card in the TD set ...
    Previously, it was allowed to install sensors and similar devices both in the manufacture of the second stage and on an already assembled rocket. Now it is rigidly determined where and at what stage the sensors should be installed.

    aha ... so right in the route map it is written ... "if you like - put it now, if you don't like it - then Uncle Vasya will put it ..."
    It is interesting that for each launch vehicle that is assembled under state programs, special directorates for escorting missiles will now be created ...

    obviously business ... management is always "interesting" ...
    ... the same as those formed by commercial launches. This, of course, increased the quality of all operations.

    not only operations, but the whole process ... sawing ...
    early threshold of operation of the electro-pneumatic valve. This was due to an inaccurate tuning of the valve actuator during the pre-start period, wear of drive mechanismsas a result of which it has become more sensitive to vibration.

    oh, how! ... "worn out", you understand, the drive ... still in the process of assembly ...
    independent experts were able to take a broader look at the problem, draw conclusions and recommendations not only regarding the Proton-M launch vehicle, but also the manufacturing technology, control and production of all rocket and space technology.

    still a couple of conclusions regarding the leadership of Roscosmos ... and there would be no price for these experts ...
    Based on the acts of the interdepartmental commission and the plan for the implementation of measures, Roskosmos together with the Ministry of Defense and the state commission decided: to complete the work of the emergency commission.

    it’s time to give it the status of PDAC - the permanent emergency commission ...
  16. pinecone
    pinecone 24 September 2013 13: 37
    +3
    It happened because of not quite accurate settings valve actuator during pre-start preparation, wear of the actuator mechanisms, as a result of which it became more sensitive to vibration.

    Very elegant wording. It is not clear only when and how the drive mechanisms managed to wear out.
    1. aviator65
      aviator65 25 September 2013 10: 37
      0
      Aha! Something like "partially died". lol
  17. No_more
    No_more 24 September 2013 13: 45
    +2
    Something I doubt that just improper installation of sensors on one from control channels, could cause such consequences, because for that the systems are duplicated (sometimes more than once) in order to avoid such situations.
    Although, if the automation did not consider this a malfunction, because the data went, then there was no switch to the reserve. If so, then it is unfortunate that such a scheme is still used. It is more reliable to have several channels with sensors constantly working and monitor the average value of the parameter, and the readings very different from the rest should be rejected as unreliable.
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 24 September 2013 13: 47
    +1
    "In addition, the entire available stock of rockets has been rechecked both at the Baikonur cosmodrome and at the plant." ... if you read this phrase, it sounds like this ... these sensors have access after their installation, and based on what happened, this access is not controlled, that is, not sealed and in further operation is not controlled unauthorized access of strangers to them ... in short, the key in your hands is to do whatever your heart desires.
    "to determine the possible reasons for the premature rise of the rocket from the launcher" ... the rocket breaks away from the table when the impulse of the engines balances the mass of the rocket ... before it will not come off, there is zero undocking from the launch complex. There is only one conclusion ... a cant for calculating the mass of the launch vehicle and, as a result, a cant in the calculations for the operation of the first stage engines.
  19. saygon66
    saygon66 24 September 2013 13: 58
    +2
    - They dispersed the "military representatives" ... so there is no one to control. Immediately after school, for a long time, I worked in a "mailbox" - there the military representative at any time could go through the shop with a check. And God forbid, the tool was lying around in a heap, or the machine was in the mud - such an alarma suited ...
  20. awg75
    awg75 24 September 2013 14: 00
    +5
    the gasket needs to be changed --- between the rocket and the money ...
  21. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 24 September 2013 14: 20
    +4
    And I have one thing, dejuu, that this has already happened and is not happening for the first time, and that all the conclusions listed in the article are like: yes, we’ll control the control, we’ll fix it, we will find the Pupkins who are guilty, well now everything will be right fine and on in this vein ... ALREADY HAS BEEN REPEATED. FUCKING the brains of the public may suffice, for you gentlemen are popovkins and your kind are clearly not sitting in their place and while you, _TVARI, will steer the GOLDEN heritage of the USSR, which you got by misunderstanding - WILL ONLY WORSE AND WORSE ... I am tormented by the question - why moral freaks in Russia live well, what kind of karma do we have? Hedgehog it’s clear that there is a multi-level terry mess, well, but they have all the muzzles in sour cream - DOCTOR?
  22. starhina01
    starhina01 24 September 2013 14: 55
    +2
    thunder struck everyone crossed am if they still fall, then definitely shot am
  23. WIN969
    WIN969 24 September 2013 15: 12
    +1
    I think that the homeland should always melt in the first place, and then everything else.
    1. Airman
      Airman 24 September 2013 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: WIN969
      I think that the homeland should always melt in the first place, and then everything else.

      Blessed is he who believes.
    2. alone
      alone 24 September 2013 20: 41
      0
      to whom war, to whom .... lunch on schedule))) in our time, personal gain is much higher than state benefits. here they explode
  24. Volkhov
    Volkhov 24 September 2013 15: 26
    +2
    The most amazing thing is that it successfully rolls lies about sensors - apparently a system discipline, they lied unsuccessfully, but nothing changes.
    1. military
      military 24 September 2013 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: Volkhov
      apparently system discipline

      corporate "ethics" ... wink
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 24 September 2013 17: 02
        +1
        In fact, everything is worse - the reason is in the geophysical effect of the "reverse current" which is hidden systematically, it is just advantageous for corporations to refer to a natural anomaly (the rocket was spun along the course and roll by electromagnetic forces when it went above the lightning rods), but they preferred to play "like a fool", although the effect is no longer the first, it was with other missiles at later stages of flight.
  25. Grbear
    Grbear 24 September 2013 16: 57
    +2
    This report is just baby talk. This is a military man (he touched it with his hands for a long time), and it is impossible to "rearrange" according to her technologies. Simply, the harnesses will not work. Or have they "optimized" the production of state-owned missiles to that extent? and what is this division? Whose signature is the document that defined such a division?

    Interestingly, what else should they do to make the RUSSIAN PEOPLE break loose? and what are they hoping for?
  26. aviator65
    aviator65 24 September 2013 17: 41
    +2
    I already once commented on this topic, but I think it will be appropriate to repeat again. So.
    Although I did not assemble rockets, I have some experience in the aviation industry. The rocket is a piece product. This is not a ZIL conveyor for you, where something that is not screwed can be hammered with a hammer, just to make the norm. Firstly, there can be no logical reasons why the installer plugs three sensors correctly, and the other three, on the contrary, while not asking the question: "Why don't they fit?" It seems that he is not a poor student, he is probably not working on this operation for the first time. Next comes the master. He must accept the operation and make a mark in the technological map, make at least a visual check. But he doesn't see a nifiga! Okay. Further, the operation is taken by the BTK (or OTK) of the site, workshop. They also don't notice anything. Moreover, at all stages, continuity of circuits are carried out, testing, both block-by-block, and the entire unit as a whole and the entire system at all kinds of stands. And all this is documented. Well, let the collector be a poor student, let the master take it on his chest for lunch, and he didn't care. But BTK controllers (I know from my own experience) will never substitute their ass for someone's mistake, well, for a very, very rare case. If only before that, the entire workshop together celebrated someone's name day. Further, the product comes to Baikonur, where it is actually reassembled, checked, tested, tested. And again, everything is fine! It turns out that at the testing stage, the control system had a drum, in what position its sensors were. By what logic did her program work, if even before the start during self-testing it did not determine that some of the signals did not correspond to the position in which it was at the start. As usual, the automation in such cases issues a start ban. And then everything starts and ... bang! And several billion rubles are burned up with hundreds of tons of heptyl. Only the ill-fated sensors for some reason did not burn out and did not even break from their seats, but were still found among this poisonous burning. And from the TV screens, authoritative uncles with smart faces broadcast that it turns out that it is a locksmith, a foreman and a controller to blame for the fact that again billions of rubles have gone down the drain. And what do you get from these poor fellows? That's it! Amazing version!
    In Soviet times, it also happened that something fell, it happened that with the victims. I was familiar with working with people who were involved in investigating such cases. So they said that two versions of the disaster were always accepted. One for reporting up, the second for generality (if secrecy allowed). What difference did they have, I think it’s not worth explaining. But what hung on the ears of the people in this case, this is not any gate!
    But I also really liked this:
    masters of xx whistle rest ...
    GKNPTs named after M.V. Khrunichev together with FSUE "NPTsP named after academician N.A. Pilyugin" developed a technological map, in accordance with which similar products are now installed.
    nu-nu ... "developed" ... you also tell us that there was no such card in the TD set ...
    Previously, it was allowed to install sensors and similar devices both in the manufacture of the second stage and on an already assembled rocket. Now it is rigidly determined where and at what stage the sensors should be installed.
    aha ... so right in the route map it is written ... "if you like - put it now, if you don't like it - then Uncle Vasya will put it ..."
    It is interesting that for each launch vehicle that is assembled under state programs, special directorates for escorting missiles will now be created ... good
  27. michajlo
    michajlo 25 September 2013 14: 57
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    Quote: GrBear
    This report is just baby talk. This is a military man (he touched it with his hands for a long time), and it is impossible to "rearrange" according to her technologies. Simply, the harnesses will not work. Or have they "optimized" the production of state-owned missiles to that extent? and what is this division? Whose signature is the document that defined such a division?

    Interestingly, what else should they do to make the RUSSIAN PEOPLE break loose? and what are they hoping for?

    Good day to all!

    Well, you will see for yourself that there are borders of patience, especially when the people "have a cup of patience will cross." am
    The truth is then all of us, the wolves, howl.
    Well, the culprits themselves, so in my opinion they will have time to fade, even before they are localized.
  28. valentin
    valentin 26 September 2013 18: 31
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    My comments are hard deleted
  29. valentin
    valentin 26 September 2013 18: 50
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    Okay, the first sentence has passed. The point is the confusion of "+" with "-" in the control algorithm introduced into the control system (CS). And of the sensors under discussion, three sensors are based on the yaw channel, and the other three are not named as belonging. The word "roll" was never uttered in the entire epic.
    Acceleration sensors, whose signals are used by the control system, are located on a gyro-stabilized platform. Here on them SU and steers the rocket flight. The sensors installed on the second missile unit are "sew the mare's tail". The signals from them are sent to the control system, the control system even generates commands, but execution blocks them. I already had the good fortune to come up with an analogy with a wife who sits next to her husband-driver and itches. And the husband blocks her commands and successfully brings his wife home.
    In normal flight, deviations along the channel by a degree-half degree are countered by the control system by turning the engine chambers. In case of "confusion" VA, a random deviation in the control system's roll is perceived incorrectly and mixed with parries, issues a command to increase indignation. With the accumulation of the angle of indignation in the roll up to 8-10 degrees, the control system declares the missile emergency and begins to work out the program of emergency missile withdrawal away from the launch. This was done by turning the engine chambers along the yaw channel at an angle of up to 7,5 degrees. So what Rogozin is referring to is the normal operation of the SU with the missile, which she declared to be emergency. It is strange that no one "noticed" the rotation of the rocket around the longitudinal axis when looking at the rocket from the tail ...
  30. valentin
    valentin 26 September 2013 18: 51
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    Well! My scientific comment is declared "flood" and not missed
  31. valentin
    valentin 26 September 2013 18: 53
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    Excuse me! Please heartily! Passed
  32. valentin
    valentin 26 September 2013 18: 57
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    I'm waiting for your comments! People! Hey !! Come on, comment! "I ask you"