Ukrainian military declassified the appearance of the first domestic corvette

The military claim that the Ukrainian corvette will be almost the equivalent of a frigate, but cheaper. The first such ship can be on duty in 2015 year.

GC "Ukrspetsexport" for the first time will demonstrate the declassified layout of the project 58250 (Corvette) at the international exhibition "Weapon and security - 2013 "25-29 September. This is reported by the press service of the Civil Code.

"Until recently, the appearance of the ship was under the" secret "stamp," the press service noted.

The Ukrainian corvette is a promising type of ships for the Ukrainian Navy, developed by the experimental design center of shipbuilding (Nikolaev).

Ukrspetsexport told that the competitive advantage of the corvette is the concentration of weapons and fire systems, which makes the Ukrainian corvette almost equivalent to a frigate, but cheaper. "In many ways, there are practically no analogues of the Ukrainian corvette in the world. The corvette provides for the possibility of integrating weapons, intelligence, communications systems," the Civil Code noted.

Recall, the ship structure of the Ukrainian Navy was mainly formed from ships completed at shipyards or obtained as a result of the division of the USSR. Due to the lack of funds for maintenance, immediately after independence, most of the vessels were either sawn into scrap metal or sold to other states.

To date, the Ukrainian Navy has more than 70 warships, vessels and support boats, led by the flagship frigate Getman Sagaidachny. In addition, the Ukrainian Navy has about 30 aircraft and helicopters, about 40 tanks, more than 90 infantry fighting vehicles, about 190 armored personnel carriers and more than 60 artillery systems and mortars. The number of employees of the Navy is approximately 15 thousand people.

Comments

[HAM]

Interestingly, is it controlled by radio or immediately via satellite?

[Kibalchish]

It’s much more interesting to finish it at least in 10 years or not.

[Hunghuz]

Scribe tapericha to the Somali pirates with a mattress together with a flag? Fight for Faina ....... ???

[Vladimirets]

"In" Ukrspetsexport "they said that the competitive advantages of the corvette are the concentration of weapons and fire systems, which makes the Ukrainian corvette almost the equivalent of a frigate, but cheaper"

And the Ukrainian frigate is the equivalent of an aircraft carrier.

[Revolver]

Hmm ... Under the Soviet regime, TAKR was built, even a nuclear aircraft carrier was launched. And now they are happy that they might someday build a corvette.

[Basarev]

It's just ridiculous to have a frigate as the flagship of the fleet!

[So_o_tozh]

Well, God forbid, that they would really be embodied in metal, and there it will be possible to evaluate it.

[Fin]

The hull, powerplant, radars will deliver their own, and RAV, SAM, MTV, helicopter, where will they take it?
And in connection with recent events - it does not fit into NATO standards. Therefore, it will remain a layout.

[seller trucks]

Quote: Fin

It does not fit into NATO standards. Therefore, it will remain a layout.

and where does NATO? Ukraine is not a member of the alliance, your amateurish approach

[Fin]

Quote: seller trucks

and where does NATO? Ukraine is not a member of the alliance, your amateurish approach

And in connection with the latest events - It does not fit into NATO standards.
Allocated for non amateurs. Those. soon. and the ship will not be built tomorrow.

[seller trucks]

Quote: Fin

And in connection with recent events - it does not fit into NATO standards.
Allocated for non amateurs. Those. soon. and the ship will not be built tomorrow.

a quote from the article: "The first ship of this kind may be on duty already in 2015" and "Ukraine laid down corvette 58250 Gaiduk - May 20, 2011"

[Fin]

Quote: seller trucks

"The first ship of this kind can be put on duty already in 2015" and "Ukraine laid down corvette 58250 Gaiduk - 20 May 2011"

From Wiki: Anatoly Hrytsenko, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Committee on National Security and Defense, answered the question of what way he sees out of the crisis in the Corvette program, replied:
“The Corvette program is the last opportunity to raise shipbuilding in the country, there will be no such chance. This program should be implemented as a priority. The terms of reference, coordination with the General Staff, the project - everything is ready. New jobs will be created under the Corvette program. Only desire and financing are required. There are problems with the fact that 38% of corvette equipment is foreign components from Russia, France, Italy. Due to the fact that there is no funding, we cannot conclude government contract contracts for the supply, make an advance payment and we cannot be delivered to the order. Because all partners have everything painted for three to five years, the so-called long-term planning of the distribution of production capacities. Therefore, from year to year everything is postponed. The first planned construction period for the first ship has already been disrupted. I am sure that the first ship will not appear at the end of the presidential term of Yanukovych.
And still everything needs to be installed and .... It will be like with "Ukraine" - a model on a scale of 1: 1

[seller trucks]

The Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security and Defense, Anatoly Hrytsenko, to the question of what way he sees out of the crisis in the Corvette program, replied:

I have a whole selection of statements by officials at the ministerial level in Ukraine, and their statements: objections to the submarine fleet of the Ukrainian Navy, or from the latter, about how Ukraine will save Europe from the crisis — Yanukovych said they say a lot.

http://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/politics/_yanukovich-ubezhden-chto-ukraina-spaset-e
vropu-ot-krizisa / 502091

in 2012 year

Ukraine, thanks to its economic potential, can help the EU overcome the crisis, believes First Deputy Prime Minister Valery Khoroshkovsky

http://ubr.ua/finances/macroeconomics-ukraine/ukraina-spaset-evrozonu-ot-krizisa
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New jobs will be created under the Corvette program.

and, yes, an additional set of 500 jobs with a salary of 250-300 USD was announced under a contract with Thailand how did you hear.

There are problems with the fact that 38% of corvette equipment is foreign components from Russia,

but it is like Russia after the association will not sell

[Misantrop]

Quote: seller trucks

and where does NATO? Ukraine is not a member of the alliance

How does it have to do with it? And whoever will buy, he doesn't need to fuck himself, there is still nothing to build and maintain. They barely scraped up the money on the model

[self-propelled]

Quote: Fin

It does not fit into NATO standards

what criteria doesn’t fit? they plan to establish NATO standard armament - the armament kit will include the Ehoset MM40 Block 3 anti-ship missiles, the ASTER 8 SAAM air defense system (15 missiles), the 16 torpedoes manufactured by the Eurotorp concern, as well as the 6 artillery mountings (presumably the 3 gun mounts (presumably 35 Omnumon. ) and the NH90 helicopter. data on electronic equipment are not indicated, but, given the recent tensions between Russia and Ukraine, it can be assumed that they will either set their own (if such modern systems are found) or European.
the question is, is there enough money to build this ship?

[Fin]

Quote: self-propelled

weapons plan to establish a NATO standard

It was immediately necessary to write in the article, I would not ask questions.

[seller trucks]

Quote: So_o_tozh

really embodied in metal,

blessed is he who believes

[Captain Vrungel]

Project 20380 "Steregushiy". Compare with Ukrainian. One school of designers.

[DAOSS]

I was in a covered slipway last Wednesday, the base is barely barely cooked, at such a pace we will not build it for the 22nd century!

[Corneli]

Quote: DAOSS

I was in a covered slipway last Wednesday, the base is barely barely cooked, at such a pace we will not build it for the 22nd century!

"At PJSC" Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant "55% of the hull of the head corvette of Project 58250 was built, and by the end of 2013 75% will be completed."
http://republic.com.ua/article/27596-Postroeno-55-korpusa-golovnogo-korveta-proe
kta-58250.html
An article with photos of what it looked like this February
Photos of the layout also saw a long time ago

[Reserve buildbat]

Something he has rocket launchers like "over the hill" for "Harpoons".

[seller trucks]

To date, the Ukrainian Navy includes more than 70 warships, ships and support boats, led by the flagship frigate Getman Sagaidachny.

how beautifully they wrote "70 warships" from the drain, according to the wiki, there are only 15-17 of them, and how many are on the move? for the information of the author, there are no military vessels.

[Dart weyder]

like minmum hat-making - really not building anything in 23 years, let alone innovative, now screaming (although you won’t praise yourself - no one will praise)))) about miracle weapons a little incorrect .... at least they could already to hide the PU in the silhouette of the superstructure, and the problem is with the helicopter - Kamov is being assembled a bit not in Ukraine .... and which RCCs are also not clear .........

[Sergeant]

"The first such ship may be on duty as early as 2015."

Or it may remain the layout, but the NATO corvettes can actually stand on alert in the ports of Ukraine.
Ess, but not to defend Ukraine, but its own interests ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The model looks good .. (but this is a mockup only) I don’t see anything secret .. That's the stuffing is another matter .. And judging in the future, Ukraine obviously does not need a fleet ... They will be protected like the Baltic states .. (no offense)

[Bashkaus]

Everyone who responded with a mockery of this corvette, without a twinge of conscience, put on a fat minus.
Whether you like it or not, Ukraine is our brotherly people, who found themselves in a difficult economic situation, like many of us after the collapse of the USSR. If you are so good you think that it is easy for Ukrainians, then you are deeply mistaken, remember at least the words of H. Clinton, who bluntly said that she would not allow the formation of the Eurasian Union, or at least wakes up to put a spoke in the wheel. And you are the ones who so mock at their brothers, just mongrels, who, without realizing it, help H. Clinton in her "important" business.
The fact that Ukraine has created its frigate suggests that scientists and specialists who, contrary to the economic and political situation, have worked in the design bureau and are creating good projects have not gone extinct. Whether he goes into series or not is another question, the main thing is that in Ukraine not everyone fell under the west.
And before you mock the Zaporozhye boat and this project, look at yourself: you have THREE nuclear cruisers rusts that have served less than 10 years, my Zhiguli has been running on the roads longer.
We cannot bring Mace to our minds, we are riveting marriage, our missiles began to fall because incompetent young people are replacing the old guard. Look at yourself and think about how to avoid losing the backlog that we can barely pull out. Although what I am saying, you are so smart - look farther than your brothers, go the right way ...

[seller trucks]

Quote: Bashkaus

Whether you like it or not, Ukraine is our brotherly nation, which has fallen into a difficult economic situation, like many of us after the collapse of the USSR.

I, as a former representative of the "fraternal" people, declare with full responsibility:

Quote: Bashkaus

the main thing is that in Ukraine not everyone fell to the west.

where are the conclusions from?

Quote: Bashkaus

And before mocking the Zaporozhye boat and this project,

and you are aware that the boat was repaired at a Russian plant, there are no specialists and production facilities.

Quote: Bashkaus

you have THREE atomic cruisers that have rusted for less than 10 years,

not three but two according to Admiral Nakhimov on June 13 of 2013 of the year Sevmash signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for repairs.

[Bashkaus]

and you are aware that the boat was repaired at a Russian plant, there are no specialists and production facilities.
whose cow would mumble, what a shame, the French are building the Mistrals on their whorls. Italian armored cars purchased for the needs of the army and much more
not three but two according to Admiral Nakhimov on June 13 of 2013 of the year Sevmash signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for repairs. Here I agree, I was wrong, one of them can no longer be restored (((...
Therefore, there is no need for LA-LA. Only a complete one cannot understand the importance of close cooperation between the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Let's take VTA, you can't take everything on Ilakh, we need Ruslans, we need An70s capable of taking off from shorter strips, we need all this like air, we need factories that produce engines for the Voevoda, we need the cruiser Ukraina. Ukraine needs our orders for Ruslans, Mriya, the Nikolaev shipyard needs us to finally finish building the cruiser, they need our orders for the An70. WE NEED EACH OTHER.
Fingers alone are just fingers, when they are together, this is a formidable fist.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Bashkaus

Fingers alone are just fingers, when they are together, this is a formidable fist.

Big plus. You listed only the orders of the military-industrial complex (and you can immediately see the enormous benefits for Ukraine and Russia), and how many pluses in the economy, politics, security for both countries !!!

[Misantrop]

Quote: Bashkaus

and you are aware that the boat was repaired at a Russian plant, there are no specialists and production facilities.
whose cow would mumble, what a shame, the French are building the Mistrals on their whorls. Italian armored cars purchased for the needs of the army and much more

"In the garden - elderberry, and in Kiev - uncle" (c) What is common between the COMMERCIAL projects of Serdyukov and the problems of the ship repair industry? Is that the thief of the top They tried to repair the unfortunate submarine "Zaporozhye" at Ukrainian shipyards THREE TIMES. Twice it ended with an attempt to sell it for scrap by private order (Kerch and Sevastopol) and an attempt to convert it into a floating restaurant (Nikolaev). And only after that, the repair was entrusted to the 13th plant in Sevastopol (Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation), where they managed to restore it and bring it to working condition. And the crew at that time was trained on the submarine submarine of the Russian Federation "Alrosa", which, as you can see, gave a real result. Well, screams like: "Yes, we ourselves, without any damned m ... we will do the best on the planet ..." except for driving a wedge between the Slavs, they give nothing. And applause on this occasion - even more so

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

. Twice this ended in an attempt to sell for scrap

It is a pity that the first time it wasn’t received, how much money the treasury would save.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Kars

how much money the treasury would save.

Indeed, here on the content of admirals (especially, if by the ratio of their number in relation to the number of ships) Ukraine leads by a far margin But the absence of at least one submarine in the Navy immediately makes them very flawed. At least in terms of what does not give training opportunities to crews of PLO forces

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

oh, if by the ratio of their number in relation to the number of ships) Ukraine leads by a far margin

Can I find out the score? How many admirals do we have?

Quote: Misantrop

But the absence of at least one submarine in the Navy immediately makes them very flawed.

vryatli. as are the prospects when it’s not at all hunted for a submarine protector along the Black Sea.

[Basarev]

Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart. Not according to the canon, when the whole Russian metro rides on Ukrainian cars. We ourselves have no worse.
The Ukrainian rulers had a chance to lead the country to prosperity, but they did not use it.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: seller trucks

I, as a former representative of the "brotherly" people, declare with full responsibility

Well this is how high moral qualities one must possess in order to renounce one's people and Motherland !!! I am glad when such people travel outside the country and do not associate themselves with the people. Of course, it's disgusting to read their screams and dirt, but those who think themselves will figure out how they feel about your comments. As we say: Mud. Like once - Mud. Like forever. I am sure that under certain conditions (a bowl is fuller or a threat to Russia), you will easily drive this to your current "Motherland".

[Misantrop]

Quote: Bashkaus

And you are the ones who mock their brothers like that

I really didn’t know that you have papier-mâché boats in your brothers Or you call the brothers those who destroy their own shipbuilding industry with one hand, and glues such searchlights with the other. Hopefully these hand guides really want to build a ship? Yes, to hell there, beyond cutting a piece of the budget their dreams do not apply. Do not believe? Here's what in real life:

Quote: DAOSS

Was in a covered slipway last Wednesday, the base is barely barely boiled

And here - in a joyful report:

The first such ship can take up duty already in 2015.

What will stand up there not on duty, a dozen pieces of steel welded together?

[moremansf]

In the best case scenario, they will build for export ... without these means, the shipbuilding of Ukraine cannot be raised ... China, India are now the same with Vietnam ... The base in Ukraine is large, in particular Nikolaev, three plants and design bureaus .. .start from export, and then slowly upgrade our fleet ... maybe we will start buying from them ... the most important stuffing, it would be interesting to know ... and shipbuilders in Ukraine were notable at the time, we will believe that more bright heads remained ...

[Dart weyder]

Yes, they won’t build anything ... except that on an advance payment - there is no money .... the industry does not function - when the last time something was launched! ????? they just want to cunningly find the client, then take the money - then build it - although first you need to build it for yourself - and when he proves his characteristics - then the buyers will find it - and so - the layout and the drawings - while it’s not in the metal - this is a virtual ship ..... you can tell patriotic legends as much as you like - but the state of the Ukrainian army did the same, like production .... that's all ... where is Sapsan !? - refused - no money .... Where are the new tanks !? Only for export (and that is all the same modernization of old tanks) BTR-4 !? - fear and horror !!!!! Antonov !? - at least one independent project !? (everything that’s ousted from the achievements of the times of the USSR, or together with Russia ... moreover, Russia builds and sells more Anov) - and then suddenly they will find money for the corvette - fresh giving and hard to believe ...

[Basarev]

That is why they are buying from Russia in vain, and Ukrainian crafts do not like even the third world.

[moremansf]

Quote: self-propelled

the question is, is there enough money to build this ship? recourse

I think that this is a bet on the European Union ... it is not in vain that Ukraine is striving there, but to come empty-handed is not solid ... as one of the options for financing a shipbuilding company ...

[self-propelled]

Quote: moremansf

I think this is a bet on the European Union ...

Do you think the EU will help Ukrainian shipyards? If Europe needs Ukraine, then as a consumer, not a producer. no more

[seller trucks]

the only question is:

Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant (Nikolaev)



The economic court of the Nikolaev area began bankruptcy of the shipyard "Meridian"

http://novosti.mk.ua/news/business/2010/10/07/4935.html

Workers of the liquidated Nikolaev shipyard "Meridian" paid off wage arrears of 15 on January 2013 of the year

http://www.niknews.mk.ua/2013/01/15/rabotnikam-likvidirovannoj-nikolaevskoj-verf
i-meridian-taki-pogasili-dolgi-po-zarplate /

[gladiatorakz]

Well done! Nikolaev shipbuilders. Preserved scientific and production potential. And this is now the main condition for the construction of the fleet. Money, of course, too, but at times more money needs to start from scratch. I hope to build this series of ships on time. And will develop new ones.

[Misantrop]

Quote: gladiatorakz

I hope to build this series of ships on time. And will develop new ones.

And all of them will be placed neatly on the table at the commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, just fit. How many joyful squeals there was that the More series hovercraft for china does? And now what? They built one, took it, scrapped all the documentation for it and ... silence ...

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Misantrop

And all of them will be placed neatly on the table at the commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, just fit. How many joyful squeals were there about the fact that the "More" plant is doing a series of hovercraft for China? Now what?

My neighbor is also always not happy. But she has a menopause. And the psychology of men, let alone warriors, provides for a more optimistic view of things. And not dousing everyone and everyone with slops. If you conduct an anology with the ship, that is, the engine is the ballast. And sometimes there is no anchor chosen. If you don’t like something in the structure of our state, change it! but not ....

[Misantrop]

Quote: gladiatorakz

If you don’t like something in the structure of our state, change it! but not ....

As I understand it, you are simply delighted with the Ukrainian state. But it would not have been changed for a long time, business then ...

Quote: gladiatorakz

And the psychology of men, let alone warriors, provides for a more optimistic view of things.

Is there any reason for optimism, at least ANYTHING? In Primorskoye (a settlement at the More plant), only those who cannot work on the road for health reasons are now in place. Well, wives with children. All the rest are in St. Petersburg, in the Far East or ... in China under a long-term contract. A cousin with his son is now also in St. Petersburg on the "Almaz", although he did not want to go (the son only had a daughter). But NO factory work The Sevmorzavod (in Severnaya in Sevastopol) is now also dying - its stationary dock was leased to a foreign company, and without it the shipyard has almost no chances to take a normal order. In the summer, Poroshenko tried to float his shares of the RF Ministry of Defense, but there they are also not suckers. Even if in Nikolaev it is possible to mold the hull with superstructures, then the filling for all this WHERE to get? Fiolent made excellent universal weapons control and lighting systems in Simferopol, and they are still in service today. BUT ... now nothing more complicated than a semi-screwdriver assembly of hand tools is not produced here. Some of the equipment is still there, but there are NO specialists, they were dispersed long ago. Sevastopol "Monsoon" (of a similar profile) has now turned into a shopping center. And if you entrust the development to a non-core developer who accidentally survived in the country, we will get a result similar to the situation with the "Bulava" in the Russian Federation (money, time and high-class specialists are needed).
So do not confuse optimism with enthusiastic moronity

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Misantrop

As I understand it, you are simply delighted with the Ukrainian state. But it would not have been changed for a long time, business then ...

The case is complicated, but possible. Any big business consists of little things. Change at least the little things that you can. Criticism is also good, but when constructive disappears in criticism, then this is the level of grandmothers on the bench. (I do not want to offend any grandmothers)

Quote: Misantrop

There are reasons for optimism, at least SOMEONE?

In bulk. Remember:
- Let's talk about the beautiful !!
- Come on! Do you have worms?
- No.
- Very well.

[Dart weyder]

I understand that people’s nonsense is going off scale - but it’s real except for the layout and drawings that were built during the years of independence, and especially the last 10 years and launched into the water !? felt boots - your minuses only prove your stupidity! no more - where are the facts besides talk !? and good luck in association with the EU, - these are probably the same people who blindly chanted for Yushch on Maidan - there was no more intelligence there .... sad .....

[Corneli]

Quote: Dart Weyder

I understand that people’s nonsense is going off scale - but it’s real except for the layout and drawings that were built during the years of independence, and especially the last 10 years and launched into the water !? felt boots - your minuses only prove your stupidity! no more - where are the facts besides talk !?

Corvette Ternopil in 2006 Yes. In 2012, the first of 8 Orlan boats were given out to Borders in 10. Yes and a mustache for XNUMX years (

[Rjn]

Another inflating cheeks. Here we are, wow. True, under the project, you can add more from the heels of admirals.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Bashkaus

Everyone who responded with a mockery of this corvette, without a twinge of conscience, put on a fat minus.
Whether you like it or not, Ukraine is our brotherly people, who found themselves in a difficult economic situation, like many of us after the collapse of the USSR. If you are so good you think that it is easy for Ukrainians, then you are deeply mistaken, remember at least the words of H. Clinton, who bluntly said that she would not allow the formation of the Eurasian Union, or at least wakes up to put a spoke in the wheel. And you are the ones who so mock at their brothers, just mongrels, who, without realizing it, help H. Clinton in her "important" business.
The fact that Ukraine has created its frigate suggests that scientists and specialists who, contrary to the economic and political situation, have worked in the design bureau and are creating good projects have not gone extinct. Whether he goes into series or not is another question, the main thing is that in Ukraine not everyone fell under the west.
And before you mock the Zaporozhye boat and this project, look at yourself: you have THREE nuclear cruisers rusts that have served less than 10 years, my Zhiguli has been running on the roads longer.
We cannot bring Mace to our minds, we are riveting marriage, our missiles began to fall because incompetent young people are replacing the old guard. Look at yourself and think about how to avoid losing the backlog that we can barely pull out. Although what I am saying, you are so smart - look farther than your brothers, go the right way ...

Right .. I am ashamed of the truth .... I apologize .. We are angry and mocking at Ukraine And they (the people) are really hard ..! But the West is trying to get us to poison them .. It’s of interest .. Ukraine don’t be offended we are also offended!

[seller trucks]

Quote: MIKHAN

We are hungry and maliciously over Ukraine. And it (the people) is really hard ..!

and you will visit Ukrainian forums, so that different nonsense would not get into your head, give an address? by the way, one (-) mine

[Sochi]

"In many respects, there are practically no analogues of the Ukrainian corvette in the world (Corvette is not yet!!!). The corvette provides for the possibility of integrating weapons, reconnaissance, communications systems, "the Civil Code noted ... as well as trawling, drilling, and the ability to plow and mow alfalfa ... humor, of course, but I really doubt it, because nothing has been built in 23 years, old cadres have long gone ... There is no experience and a base for development. They would have mastered the design of something simpler, but here it is immediately better than anyone else ... it has no analogues, they would have installed a large-caliber slingshot on the raft and adopted it, as if there were no analogues. .. The appearance was just licked, but what's inside ...

[Gladius]

I doubt very much that there will be funds to build even these corvettes. After all, our powers that be row EVERYTHING for themselves and the money that can, in principle, be allocated for this project, they will consider as their own (as if there are free finances in the budget, then they can be appropriated). There were interesting projects that have sunk into oblivion - "Sapsan", a new frigate. Did the troops receive many Oplot tanks?

[seller trucks]

Quote: Gladius

I doubt very much that there will be funds to build even these corvettes.

you in Ukraine had such a half-crazy Minister of Defense was Mishko Yezhel, so that initiative offered to build a corvette on people's money-voluntary contributions, they even said that he collected something, that’s enough for the model.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Ukraine has serious developments in the military-industrial complex .. and scientific and industrial potential at the level .. It’s economically (politically) difficult for us too and we too .. I hope all this is temporary .. We need to unite our military-industrial complex as in the USSR .. all we lose the last thing left ..

[seller trucks]

Quote: MIKHAN

Ukraine has serious developments in the military-industrial complex .. and scientific and industrial potential at the level.

for more details, please, for example, I gave information on shipyards, here is information about the shipyard "Ocean" (Nikolaev), incidentally, they are again to blame http://news.pn/ru/criminal/49746

[Jogan-xnumx]

Ukrainian proverb: "Du.ren dumkoyu bagatiє!"

[awg75]

will be a good addition to their submarine

[pensioner]

Quote: awg75

will be a good addition to their submarine

and two more underwater objects:
The Ukrainian submarine fleet has been replenished with two units of military equipment. Yesterday night in Balaklava Bay the tug "Opanas Shpak" and the small refueling ship "Hoverla" sank from old age.

[CARBON]

I have no doubt that they will build. There is only one big "-". The corvette will be armed with NATO weapons, it will have an imported diesel generator and other things, which further and further alienates the fraternal peoples and their navy. Although part of the "workhorses" of the Soviet fleet, pr 1135-7 units were built in Kerch at the Zaliv plant, pr 1135.1-8 units (border version) were also there. They built it quickly for 1,5-2 years in total. We could have built 1135.6 together now, but unfortunately not, everyone goes their own way (

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Kkh kh okay I will not say anything all the same it’s not good to joke on the wretched ...

[slacker]

From year to year, the same Ukrainian tales about the fact that they are about to pull up their trousers up to their necks and wipe their nose to the whole world. They threatened to bring Polubotka's gold from London, then melt the eternal ice with straw, then make biofuel from algae and bring down oil prices, then they were going to arm the entire planet with Strongholds and Yatagans, then the Sapsan rocket complex was almost done, then they were going to get rich at Euro 2012 fabulous, then the shale gas pisyat bucks fountains, now a model of a corvette made of papier-mâché ...
Panov! Aren't you tired of your own nonsense?

[USMC]

You can’t imagine how people are tired of everything here ..........