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Tragedy in Nairobi: Muslims allowed exit

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On Saturday, armed with machine guns and grenades, people broke into the Westgate shopping center in Nairobi, Kenya. The media wrote that the terrorists were from 9 to 15. We know only the exact number of victims - 68. In addition, as a result of the attack, an 300 man was injured. Among those killed were relatives of the Kenyan president. The Islamist group Al-Shabab claimed responsibility for the attack, stating that the attack with the shooting and taking of hostages was revenge for the participation of the Kenyan troops in combat operations against Al-Shabab in Somalia. According to eyewitness accounts, the attackers talked in Somali and Arabic. According to CNN, the group itself is published on the Internet with the names of nine attack aircraft - there were three Americans, two Somalis, a British, a Canadian, a Finn, and one Kenyan. However, the list was subsequently deleted.




September 21 gunmen attacked visitors to the Westgate (Westgate) shopping center in Nairobi. Shoot - or rather, kill - they did not start immediately. The key point: before the firing of machine guns, the militants said that they allowed Muslims to leave the building. The latter only needed to name the mother of the Prophet Mohammed. The one who answered the question unsuccessfully or was silent, or laid on the floor, or immediately shot. After fluently polling the public for knowledge of the Koran, the terrorists opened fire in bursts and began to hurling grenades.

Responsibility for the attack was “officially” assumed by the Al-Shabab group associated with Al-Qaida, which used Twitter for its statement.

The authorities were able to evacuate more than a thousand people from a shopping center popular with foreigners and rich Kenyans. The operation to free hostages taken by the militants continues to this day. The exact number of people captured by the militants is unknown: according to various estimates, there are no more than thirty and no less than ten.

“This is the most sophisticated center of Nairobi. “There is always a lot of security and security cameras everywhere,” she said in an interview. "BBC" Natalia Glotova, an employee of a foreign company, who lived for several years near Westgate. “You can't even take pictures inside.” If you try, then the guards immediately appear from under the ground. ”

An eyewitness, an employee of the Netherlands Embassy, ​​Rob Vandaike, told the Associated Press that he was sitting in a restaurant when intruders threw hand grenades into the shopping center. Then came the gunfire. Later, army units entered the building.

According to some reports, reports "Bi-bi-si", the invaders brought in the shopping center weapon under the veil. It is not clear how many men and women are among them.

Now the area around the building cordoned off by police and military units. The operation continues.



As transmits ITAR-TASS With reference to the Daily Nestion, after the release of the majority of the hostages, the assault on the premises where the militants were stationed was not stopped. Colonel Cyrus Ogunu, a spokesman for the Armed Forces of Kenya, made a statement: “Most of the hostages have been released. The Kenyan Defense Forces established control in most of the building’s premises. ” The military did not disclose how many people were freed and how many terrorists continue to resist. It is reported that the militants took refuge in a room with windows and partitions of bulletproof glass. (According to other information, we add, the militants spread out on different floors).

The terrorists not only stated via the Internet that the action in Nairobi was revenge for the participation of Kenyan troops in combat operations against it in Somalia, but also challenged President Uhur Kenyat, who promised to severely punish the murderers.

“From where Kenyatas take power to threaten us.” We fought with the armed forces of Kenya for two years. If Uhuru wants peace from us, then he should withdraw his troops from Somalia, ”Reuters news agency reports the words of the representative of Al-Shabab in Somalia, Abdiaziz Abu Musaba.

It is interesting that among the militants who participated in the attack on the shopping center in the capital of Kenya, even US citizens were discovered. Reports about it "Lenta.ru" with reference to CNN. The American channel refers to the lists allegedly published on Twitter, but subsequently deleted by the Al-Shabab group.

According to CNN, the list included nine names of the alleged invaders: three Americans, two Somalis, a British, a Canadian, a Finn, and only one Kenyan.



NBC reports that the FBI is now investigating reports about the possible involvement of US citizens in events in Kenya. According to this channel, among the attackers there might not even be three, but five Americans, two of whom belong to the Somali diaspora, registered in the state of Minnesota.

As transmits RIA News" with reference to France Press, Al-Shabab militants threaten to kill the remaining hostages. “We have instructed the inside mojaheds to take action against the hostages,” the agency quotes the statement of the representative of the group Ali Mohamud Raj. It appeared on one of the Islamist sites.

Sergey Strokan (Kommersant) draws a parallel between the Westgate attack and the major 2008 bombing of the year in India:

“The object of the Islamist attack, which began on Saturday and stretched for more than a day, was Westgate shopping center in the center of Nairobi. In its scenario, the “Kenyan 11 of September” resembled a five-year-old mega-terrorist attack committed by a group of terrorists in the business capital of India, Mumbai in November 2008.

The target of Islamic militants in both cases became the centers popular with foreigners and representatives of the local elite, business cards of the two cities. Symbolic coincidences are found even in the names: if in the most westernized city of India, the shooting of visitors and the taking of hostages among other places took place in the Taj Mahal hotel at the India Gate complex (India Gate), but in Nairobi, the slaughterhouse took place in Israel’s fashionable the Westgate shopping mall. ”


The special representative of the Russian president for Africa, the head of the international committee of the Federation Council, Mikhail Margelov, hopes that the Kenyan leadership will cope with the consequences of the terrorist attack. Commenting on September 22 RIA News" The situation in Kenya, Margelov said that “Islamist group Al-Shabab has taken responsibility for the terrorist attack in the mall of Kenya’s capital Nairobi — Al Qaeda’s official militant network in East Africa since February last year ... "

Speaking about the reasons for the attack, he said: “Of course, the killers' tasks could have included elementary shop robbery, but Al-Shabab was the successor of the once powerful Somali Union of Islamic Courts, and therefore only the desire to plunder the causes of the tragedy against the backdrop of Shelves do not open. " Margelov is convinced that "this act of terrorism, the motive of which is the active participation of the Kenyan military contingent in the mission of the African Union in Somalia, where Al-Shabab is outraged, spreading its atrocities to neighboring countries." He also recalled that "Kenya recognizes the legitimacy of the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia, calls for increased international assistance to this government, prepares military personnel for the Somali army."



Margelov believes that "the recent peaceful election of the President of Uhuru Kenniata is an indisputable achievement of democratic procedures and modernization reforms in Kenya." According to him, “this alone is the subject of hatred by the jihadists of Al-Shabab, who carry out terror both in Somalia and in neighboring countries.”

President Kenyat turned on the nation. “The vile criminals who committed this cowardly act hoped to intimidate, sow discord and cause despair among Kenyans,” he quotes. ITAR-TASS. “We have repelled terrorist attacks in the past and will defeat them again.”

Assistance to Kenya in the fight against terrorists was offered by the USA, Canada and some other states.

According to a representative of the US government, the wife of an employee of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) died. A spokeswoman for the US National Security Council, Caitlin Hayden, announced that Washington is ready to assist Kenya in bringing to justice those involved in the attack.

The press service of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said that among the dead - two Canadians. The country is ready to provide "any help" to the Kenyan authorities in bringing to justice those involved in the attack, Harper said.

Died at Westgate and two Frenchmen. President Hollande "condemned this cowardly attack in the strongest terms."

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said that the Kingdom’s Foreign Office "maintains close contact with the Kenyan authorities over what happened at the Westgate shopping center in Nairobi."

As for international organizations, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is confident that the terrorists will be brought to justice. Martin Nesirky, a spokesman for the secretary-general, said the actions of the militants were "a deliberate attack aimed at defenseless civilians."

To this we must add that, as long as the United States, the United Nations and the Western “international community” condemn the Islamist terrorists in Kenya in a friendly chorus, they actually support them in Syria ...

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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 24 September 2013 08: 00
    +8
    Terror, if you are not ready, jihad occurs. I hope all the captured terrorists are executed, I want to believe that from this battle the government of the country will draw the right conclusions.
    1. Canep
      Canep 24 September 2013 08: 09
      13
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Hope all captured terrorist executed

      And without regard to all kinds of conventions on the rights of prisoners and human beings, casting publicly, or at stake.
      And while the spiritual leaders of Muslims will call for jihad, such bloody baths will happen regularly.
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 24 September 2013 09: 20
        +9
        These uro They knew that they were going to death, so that they wouldn’t scare them (((((They have brainwashed, they thought they were sacrificing.
        1. Canep
          Canep 24 September 2013 12: 17
          +1
          Execution can be carried out by transfusion of blood of a pig to a convicted person, it will be painfully dying from incompatibility, and will not go to heaven.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 24 September 2013 13: 53
            +4
            Quote: Canep
            Execution can be carried out by transfusion of blood of a pig to a convicted person, it will be painfully dying from incompatibility, and will not go to heaven.

            If you don’t know anything about Islam, then you shouldn’t talk like a connoisseur. The burial process does not affect getting into paradise, at least wrap 10 layers of pigs on a cross of 10 crosses and do a complete shedding of pig’s blood, if a person has done an act worthy of popadagiya to heaven, he will go there .
        2. ivanovfarit
          ivanovfarit 24 September 2013 19: 24
          +2
          Well, we found the same solutions. War must be waged in an ideological information field
          1. slacker
            slacker 24 September 2013 22: 08
            -1
            We have propaganda and praise of Nazism. It’s a matter of law, but looking at reports from Nairobi it seems to me that several Einsatzgruppen targeting Islamic militants would now be very useful to many countries in the Middle East and Africa.
            1. smile
              smile 25 September 2013 00: 20
              +4
              slacker
              Well, actually, the Einsatz groups were mainly engaged in the destruction of the civilian population of subhuman ... it was the Yagdkommandos who fought with the partisans, although they also, basically, in such a way that all the terrorists of the planet would envy ... all the terrorists of all time didn’t shed so much innocent blood how many mentioned cannibals from the named German gangs .... probably you should not remember them ...
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 25 September 2013 18: 32
            +2
            Quote: ivanovfarit
            Well, we found the same solutions. War must be waged in an ideological information field

            Oh oh You are his text, and he stabbed you in the neck. Even a couple of seconds will be left to enjoy the informational and ideological victory.
        3. StolzSS
          StolzSS 24 September 2013 21: 04
          +2
          It depends on how you execute. They knew how to execute on the territory of ancient Syria. They stripped to the goal early in the morning and sewn into the skin of the freshly refreshed donkey and threw it into the scorching sun. A painful and shameful death. I propose to strip the bearded to a goal, cut off half of their male dignity under local anesthesia, and then sew them into a bag with a pig's entrails and in the sun. As you know, worms in pork in the sun develop very quickly so that a bearded terrorist dies a terrible death and certainly does not fall into any garden for virgins. The measure, of course, is sadistic, but I do not see a reason with bearded men ceremony.
      2. Orik
        Orik 24 September 2013 09: 40
        13
        There is no reason for them to fight with mongrels; they have enough soldiers, why everyone is silent that Qatari and Saudi sponsors are bearded. Need to destroy the root!
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 24 September 2013 14: 10
          +7
          Quote: Orik
          why everyone is silent that Qatari and Saudi sponsors bearded. Need to destroy the root!

          Here you are right, Qatari and Saudis are the main root of such manifestations, they are the main exporters of radical Islam as a whole, and if not they are at their expense.
          1. Skarte
            Skarte 24 September 2013 15: 25
            0
            There is no reason for them to fight with mongrels; they have enough soldiers, why everyone is silent that Qatari and Saudi sponsors are bearded. Need to destroy the root!

            This is just effective, but ... The root is very important and many feed on it, so it will exude "stench" further under the cheerful motives of "democracy".
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 24 September 2013 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Orik
          Need to destroy the root!

          So that’s the paradox ....
          President Hollande “most decisively condemned this cowardly attack”

          a French homofascist sponsors them with one hand and calls them "freedom fighters" and then, only turning his head for an hour, begins to say absolutely the opposite. The hypocrisy does not even hide.
      3. antifa-antira
        antifa-antira 24 September 2013 16: 59
        +7
        I work in Somalia. Al-Shabab people are not Muslims. During the holy month of Ramadan, they organized terrorist attacks on Mogadishu. It is not written in one of the books that have been written that a man was killed, so these simple self-interested people use the name Islam and blacken it
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    2. Denis
      Denis 24 September 2013 08: 12
      25
      Quote: Nagan
      "Religion of the world" in all its glory.

      Now they will begin to say - they were not Muslims, they are Wahhabis and blah, blah, blah ...
      1. anip
        anip 24 September 2013 09: 07
        +8
        Quote: Denis
        Now they will begin to say - they were not Muslims, they are Wahhabis and blah, blah, blah ...

        Yeah, it’s like Wahhabis are non-Muslims.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 24 September 2013 14: 48
          +7
          Quote: anip
          Yeah, it’s like Wahhabis are non-Muslims.



          Certainly not Muslims!
          Recently, a lot of people were killed in the US Navy base, but apparently there is no way to find the trail of * Muslims * so remain silent!
          All these pseudo-Muslim gangs are carefully contralized and guided by amers and some Israeli circles!
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 16: 08
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            All these pseudo-Muslim gangs are carefully contralized and guided by amers and some Israeli circles!

            Hi bro !!!! so you were missing on this topic)) but in the morning I knew that come and answer with good reason ..... drinks
          2. 31231
            31231 24 September 2013 23: 08
            0
            And what are we silent about the Saudis and Qatar?
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 24 September 2013 11: 10
        +3
        Quote: Denis
        Now they will begin to say - they were not Muslims, they are Wahhabis and blah, blah, blah ...


        ..friend! it’s better to read the history of religions, including Islam, at your leisure! or read all the basic books of traditional religions !!!!!! then judge the supporters of a particular faith !!!!!!!!. over time, various trends spill over ... it’s not the fault of those who created this religion or supporters of this religion !!!!
        ... what the Wahhabis or supporters of extremist movements do right now ... the Crusaders in the Middle Ages did ... and Ayukukson in Japan ... or whatever they could ... say, and we can remember Sabra and Shatila in 1982 .......
        .
        1. Denis
          Denis 24 September 2013 11: 34
          +7
          Quote: smersh70
          friend! better read at your leisure the history of religions

          I do not judge anyone, We do not live in the Middle Ages, but in the modern world. And the fact that in Islam, as you say a lot of currents, it is you (Muslims) who must first deal with this and not allow the bloodshed of civilians around the world at the hands of these very currents.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 14: 00
            +2
            Quote: Denis
            And the fact that in Islam, as you say many currents,


            I didn’t say that .... Islam is one !!!! and if the British created Wahhabism ... then the whole society must fight it .. the state ..
            Quote: Denis
            it is you (Muslims) who must first deal with this

            with extremists, when they fight or fight, usually all the power capabilities of the state are used. (regardless of the state in which it occurs)
            Quote: Denis
            to prevent the bloodshed of civilians all over the world at the hands of these very currents.

            as if in the world except Islamic movements .... other religious movements do not let blood ........... belay
            1. Denis
              Denis 24 September 2013 14: 25
              +7
              Quote: smersh70
              as if in the world except Islamic movements .... other religious movements do not let blood ...........

              The vast majority of people around the world are killing civilians - with shouts of Alah Akbar, you can’t argue
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 24 September 2013 14: 54
                +2
                Quote: Denis
                The vast majority of people around the world are killing civilians - with shouts of Alah Akbar, you can’t argue

                You are mistaken !!
                Count well!
                Just thanks to these scum, the whole world justifies the killing of hundreds of thousands of peaceful people by Christians and Jews!
                Mass killings of Muslims in Burma, in Thailand no one describes! Everyone is silent because they are cutting Muslims!
                1. In the reeds
                  In the reeds 24 September 2013 19: 47
                  +3
                  Hundreds of thousands of Muslims? Killing Christ and the Jews? There would have been no terror. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. Yes, if not conscience is such a shame, but in other matters, and how am I from the Muslims ...
                  1. alone
                    alone 24 September 2013 21: 28
                    +4
                    maybe sendero luminoso is also muslim or aung senrique is also muslim?
                    The Red Brigades, ETA, the Irish Republican Army are also Muslims? Maybe ASALA is also Muslims? there is no need to arrange anti-religious propaganda here. everyone has terrorists. terrorists do not have religion. those who kill people under the guise of religion are subhuman. with such subhuman conversation should be short. death and only death. Muslims no less suffer from these parasites.
                  2. 31231
                    31231 24 September 2013 22: 59
                    +2
                    And the Irish, and the Basque terrorists are also Muslims?
                    1. Assistant
                      Assistant 25 September 2013 20: 39
                      +1
                      And the Irish, and the Basque terrorists are also Muslims?


                      Of course, the IRA and the Basques are terrorists. But tell me honestly: when was the last time the IRA or the Basques killed 60 people for the attack?
                      As far as I remember (correct me if I do not have all the information), the latest IRA attacks were carried out as follows:
                      - at the point where the explosion is not likely to harm any person, a car filled with a small amount of explosives was parked;
                      - it was reported where and at what time the detonation would be carried out so that no one was near the dangerous place;
                      - actually undermining.
                      1. Basileus
                        Basileus 25 September 2013 21: 37
                        +1
                        I myself sympathize with Islam, if only because I am a Tatar and interested in the philosophy of religion, although I myself am not a believer. I could argue for a long time about the fact that the geeks who hide behind religion, in fact, poorly represent its content.
                        But here you are right - the attacks of the IRA were directed primarily against the authorities, and the vast majority of victims were representatives of law enforcement agencies.
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 24 September 2013 16: 05
                +1
                Quote: Denis
                Overwhelmingly all over the world


                Previously, all this was done inconspicuously and quietly because the Panasonic M-5 camera stood like a good car smile (regardless of who kills and who kills) ... and now it's time for Pepsi. iPhone .... public relations ... and hell knows that ... they all have telephones in their hands. They’ll shoot everything. Interesting is it camu or not ... (this is so by the way)
                here and on the wave of universal camerization, you are watching more and more videos with these screams ... and this does not mean that the majority in the world are killed precisely with these screams ....... hi
              3. 31231
                31231 24 September 2013 23: 11
                0
                Shaw and the a-nasty flyers in Iraq and Libya also "akbarili" ?!
            2. Denis
              Denis 24 September 2013 14: 31
              +3
              Quote: smersh70
              I did not say this .... Islam is one!

              Saudi Arabia, Qatar are the largest Muslim countries, there is Mecca (the largest Muslim temple), all these countries openly support terrorism, Wahhabis feel at home there. I am neutral towards religions, but I cannot call Islam the religion of the world.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 24 September 2013 14: 55
                -2
                Quote: Denis
                Saudi Arabia, Qatar is the largest Muslim country,

                and what are they the largest ?? The fact that the USA supports them and Russia embraces them ??
                1. Denis
                  Denis 24 September 2013 15: 11
                  +4
                  The fact is that there is more and more radical Islam in the world every year, you must understand this, they constantly remind you of yourself, and I’m afraid the time will come when YOU (really peaceful Muslims) will remain in the minority, the process unfortunately is not reversible.
                2. 31231
                  31231 24 September 2013 23: 14
                  +1
                  The fact that they are supported by the United States and Russia is hugging them ??


                  Where is Russia hugging them ?! Russian leaders can, yes. As well as your manager, they can hug as a sign of international greeting. This is a diplomaty.
            3. Revolver
              Revolver 24 September 2013 18: 29
              -2
              Quote: smersh70
              the British created Wahhabism

              Quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement
              Wahhabism was a ... movement instigated by an eighteenth century theologian, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792) from Najd, Saudi Arabia
              Well, what have the naglitsy? Then the Ottoman Turks drove the Arabian Peninsula. There is no need to hang on the British what they are not involved in with any side, those abominations that they themselves created will suffice from them.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 24 September 2013 14: 51
            -4
            Quote: Denis
            I do not judge anyone, We do not live in the Middle Ages, but in the modern world. And the fact that in Islam, as you say a lot of currents, it is you (Muslims) who must first deal with this and not allow the bloodshed of civilians around the world at the hands of these very currents.

            We talked about it a thousand times Denis!
            It’s just that they are directed and patronized by your non-type Christians! So, thanks to them, the Americans and, in principle, Russia also destroyed hundreds of thousands of Muslims with impunity, basically no civilians!
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 24 September 2013 15: 24
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              It’s just that they are directed and patronized by your non-type Christians! So thanks to them, the Americans and, in principle, Russia also destroyed hundreds of thousands of Muslims with impunity

              Hello. With all due respect to you, doesn’t it seem to you that this is more like moving from a sore head to a healthy one.
              Ours direct yours ... that's how ... we hypnotize them or something: "we give the installation, go and kill them all" ... well, nonsense.

              Ours yours hypnotized, and before that YOURS willingly agreed that OURS were mesmerized ... now this is more like the truth
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 24 September 2013 17: 19
                +8
                ours yours ours ours what kind of pearl ??? winked
            2. omsbon
              omsbon 24 September 2013 18: 38
              +8
              Quote: Yarbay
              Russia destroyed hundreds of thousands of Muslims with impunity, mostly innocent peace

              Hi Alibek!
              What nonsense, about hundreds of thousands?
            3. In the reeds
              In the reeds 24 September 2013 20: 17
              +3
              Not Hrestians like even a Jew like me, it’s a shame it’s supposedly purebred only after all the killings and terror ... And find me except for those who kill whom it is a shame. Maybe Lonely. I finished minus
            4. Arminian power
              Arminian power 24 September 2013 20: 18
              -1
              Quote: Yarbay
              Russia has destroyed with impunity hundreds of thousands of Muslims, mostly by no means innocent civilians!

              am
              1. alone
                alone 24 September 2013 21: 31
                -2
                and you better keep quiet. yourself to the elbow in the blood. and not for you to teach someone. deal first with your terrorists
                1. Arminian power
                  Arminian power 24 September 2013 21: 58
                  +2
                  AND YOU ALL WALK WITH WINGS. BETTER YOUR JIHADISTS WERE CALLED FROM SYRIA
                  1. alone
                    alone 24 September 2013 22: 16
                    0
                    )) Why pull them out of there. they’ll kill them like dogs, well, rightly so. There was nothing to suvatsya there. What for do we need them in the country
                    1. Arminian power
                      Arminian power 24 September 2013 22: 22
                      +3
                      POSITIVE
                      Quote: lonely
                      what for do we need them in the country
                2. In the reeds
                  In the reeds 24 September 2013 22: 26
                  +1
                  Do not poke. Sorry Elbow because you will climb more will climb more
                  1. alone
                    alone 24 September 2013 22: 31
                    0
                    Quote: In the reeds
                    Do not poke. Sorry Elbow because you will climb more will climb more


                    Leon. Actually, I didn’t write to you))) hi so I think your answer to my comment is a misunderstanding))

                    P.S. and so we do not climb to you. Otherwise, Israel would not have sold us weapons for $ 5 billion)) wink
                    1. In the reeds
                      In the reeds 24 September 2013 23: 22
                      +1
                      I'm sorry to sleep with one eye open
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 24 September 2013 21: 38
                -3
                Quote: Arminian power
                Quote: Yarbay
                Russia has destroyed with impunity hundreds of thousands of Muslims, mostly by no means innocent civilians!

                am


                CSO GO drinks what kind of people !!!!! comrade turned on the light laughing and quickly turned off .. so I managed to put just a smiley wassat
                1. Arminian power
                  Arminian power 24 September 2013 21: 51
                  0
                  CAN GUEST IN THE GUESTS
                  Quote: smersh70
                  Wow what people
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: Arminian power
                    CAN GUEST IN THE GUESTS


                    With pleasure !!!!!! drinks For a Caucasian and a Muslim guest this is the most important thing! The best place, food is everything for him !!!!!!!!
                    1. Arminian power
                      Arminian power 24 September 2013 22: 18
                      +2
                      THANKS FOR THE MINUSES hi
                    2. Arminian power
                      Arminian power 24 September 2013 22: 26
                      +2
                      FROM ME, YOU ARE PLUS + WHAT WOULD NOT OVERWAY FOR A MINUS ARMENIAN smile
        2. igor67
          igor67 24 September 2013 14: 04
          10
          Quote: smersh70
          Quote: Denis
          Now they will begin to say - they were not Muslims, they are Wahhabis and blah, blah, blah ...


          ..friend! it’s better to read the history of religions, including Islam, at your leisure! or read all the basic books of traditional religions !!!!!! then judge the supporters of a particular faith !!!!!!!!. over time, various trends spill over ... it’s not the fault of those who created this religion or supporters of this religion !!!!
          ... what the Wahhabis or supporters of extremist movements do right now ... the Crusaders in the Middle Ages did ... and Ayukukson in Japan ... or whatever they could ... say, and we can remember Sabra and Shatila in 1982 .......
          .

          In Sabra and Shatila, Arabs Christians slaughtered Muslim Arabs, because before this Muslims slaughtered several Christian villages and note that this is not Wahhabi
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 14: 14
            -4
            Quote: igor67
            for being Muslims



            I’m begging you. Don’t just say that Israel was nothing to do with ..... and generally ... let the Jews not show themselves as fluffy and civilized ..... you, too, have a lot of sins for good reason ....... hi and let us not transfer the problem of extremist and terrorist acts into the problem of confrontation between Islam and Judaism ... hi
            1. igor67
              igor67 24 September 2013 17: 35
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              Quote: igor67
              for being Muslims



              I’m begging you. Don’t just say that Israel was nothing to do with ..... and generally ... let the Jews not show themselves as fluffy and civilized ..... you, too, have a lot of sins for good reason ....... hi and let us not transfer the problem of extremist and terrorist acts into the problem of confrontation between Islam and Judaism ... hi

              Of course, Sharon didn’t have to bet the Christians, as he probably guessed how it would end,
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 24 September 2013 18: 16
          +3
          Quote: smersh70
          .a may recall Sabra and Shatila in 1982 .......

          The Lebanese Arabs slaughtered the Palestinian Arabs, and, as always, they appointed the Jews to blame.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 24 September 2013 19: 20
            +4
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: smersh70
            .a may recall Sabra and Shatila in 1982 .......

            The Lebanese Arabs slaughtered the Palestinian Arabs, and, as always, they appointed the Jews to blame.

            Christians slaughtered Muslims, and the troops of Israel stood around and pretended that they were not in the know.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 24 September 2013 19: 47
              +3
              Quote: Semurg
              Christians slaughtered Muslims, and the troops of Israel stood around and pretended that they were not in the know.

              If there were anyone else in the place of the Jews, they would have let everyone down on the brakes. And the Jews, you see, should be especially responsible. In fact, what the liberals thought the Jews were obliged to do was to water Israel-friendly Lebanese Christian Arabs for soaking Palestinian Muslim Arabs hostile to Israel. Where is the logic? However, a little thing concerns the Jews, many forget about logic completely, especially the liberals.
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 24 September 2013 20: 04
                -2
                Quote: Nagan
                Quote: Semurg
                Christians slaughtered Muslims, and the troops of Israel stood around and pretended that they were not in the know.

                If there were anyone else in the place of the Jews, they would have let everyone down on the brakes. And the Jews, you see, should be especially responsible. In fact, what the liberals thought the Jews were obliged to do was to water Israel-friendly Lebanese Christian Arabs for soaking Palestinian Muslim Arabs hostile to Israel. Where is the logic? However, a little thing concerns the Jews, many forget about logic completely, especially the liberals.

                labeling is the lack of worthy arguments.
              2. In the reeds
                In the reeds 24 September 2013 21: 29
                +1
                Yes, how can this be stopped. To water both those and others?
            2. In the reeds
              In the reeds 24 September 2013 21: 05
              0
              For this, Sharon was dismissed. And the terrorists are still there
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 24 September 2013 21: 43
                -3
                Quote: In the reeds
                For this, Sharon was dismissed.



                this is the price of killing thousands of citizens ..... Jewish democracy ... what can you do ....
              2. Semurg
                Semurg 24 September 2013 22: 18
                0
                Quote: In the reeds
                For this, Sharon was dismissed. And the terrorists are still there

                Sharon with his wolf ticket retired safely became the prime minister. Truly punished.
                1. In the reeds
                  In the reeds 24 September 2013 22: 30
                  0
                  Because it was a lion ticket!
                  1. Semurg
                    Semurg 24 September 2013 22: 35
                    +1
                    By the way, he is alive, and it was a mullet that if he dies, the end of the world will come.
                    1. In the reeds
                      In the reeds 24 September 2013 23: 13
                      0
                      Do not worry, sin on health. His little other God troubles a little God punished the lions think that they are kings and write where they want ...
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 21: 41
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            and, as always, the Jews were appointed guilty.


            Nagant !!!!!! I have always been on your side! But today you are making incredible "successes" and conclusionssmile the first time you get a bold minus from me)))) then I will correct it, though))))) drinks
      3. abdrah
        abdrah 24 September 2013 12: 10
        12
        everything is much worse, they are NEGO-Muslim! It’s not that I’m a very big racist, but a Negro, so a Negro, and then extremist religious propaganda fell on weak brains ..
        1. jasorgho
          jasorgho 24 September 2013 13: 17
          +1
          buddy yes, you are a racist! Do you have a friend who has a black man, how do you say? Are you a black specialist? Negrologist?))
          1. abdrah
            abdrah 24 September 2013 13: 51
            +7
            I can tell you definitely, those blacks whom I saw did not cause pleasant feelings, they really are not like Denzel Washington or Will Smith, even the Negro thief in law Mandela (spent 20 years, received a noble for this, became president and ruined the country ) has some kind of charm. For some reason, the blacks my neighbors did not save the world or did not sit peacefully in their African village under a palm tree with their children, but stole from shops and cars, sold drugs and whores, engaged in crime, and did not work for years on social services (Western Europe).
            here about these Homo habilis I wrote a post above that instead of the religion of the Holy Baobab ( laughing ) Wahhabism threw them under a palm tree, although if you look, the difference is not so great, there is soup from fellow tribesmen and there from Christians ...
            1. 123_123
              123_123 24 September 2013 15: 42
              +5
              Forced to support, although not a racist, but most of the blacks whom they saw could only sit on the neck of the state, not wanting to work, receiving benefits and shouting at every corner, without any objective reason that all racists and all of them oppress, not disdaining to steal wherein. Not all were normal. Twenty percent of those I met and saw — worked and behaved normally.
              Although I think religion is not necessary here.
              1. abdrah
                abdrah 24 September 2013 21: 48
                0
                Well, something like this..
            2. jasorgho
              jasorgho 9 January 2014 03: 41
              0
              it’s obvious that you are talking about South Africa, sincerely sorry that you think so
              but there initially the Europeans did not behave correctly.
              I’m watching you from Belarus, it’s funny that my mother is also from Minsk)) I also go there. Father from Africa. Tell some bright sunken moments to you. If you want to object to me, you can do it even personally - when I will be in Minsk. I, as half homo habilis, will have to give way in an intellectual dispute to you, the more perfect creation of homo bulbashus))))
      4. Ascetic
        Ascetic 24 September 2013 15: 46
        +8
        Quote: Denis
        Now they will begin to say - they were not Muslims, they are Wahhabis and blah, blah, blah ...


        These are the same sectarians as in Christianity the Protestants (Judeo-Christians) of America and small Britain. They also stood at the origins of the emergence of Wahhabism against the Ottoman Empire, which the Anglo-Saxons needed to crush in the Bloc of the East with the revolt of the Arabs-Bedouins and in the Caucasus with wars with Russia.The same way the Russian Empire was crushed not without their participation. By the way, Orthodoxy has always coexisted peacefully with traditional Islam.
        Radical Islam is needed by the neocons of the world order in order to decompose the Islamic world from within, create chaos, divide and plunge into medieval savagery in order for the ideology of an exceptional American nation to triumph throughout the world.
        Wahhabis can also be called Muslims as well as Baptists, Mormons, evangelists and other branches of Protestants can be called true Christians. Just as the former plant their ideology with weapons, so the American Judeo-Christians export their "democratic" values ​​with bombs.
        In more detail, I already wrote on this topic if interested. link to comment
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 24 September 2013 16: 04
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          These are the same sectarians as in Christianity Protestants (Judeo-Christians) of America and the United Kingdom

          Perhaps, but they associate us (the Orthodox in particular) with the Crusaders, and what relation the Orthodox have to the Crusaders, they will not share the concept, we will not either.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 16: 10
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          These are the same sectarians as in Christianity the Protestants (Judeo-Christians) of America and small Britain. They also stood at the origins of the emergence of Wahhabism against the Ottoman Empire, which the Anglo-Saxons needed to crush in the Bloc of the East with the revolt of the Arabs-Bedouins and in the Caucasus with wars with Russia.The same way the Russian Empire was crushed not without their participation.



          Respect and Respect !!!! answered simplicity uper! Wrote all my thoughts)))) drinks
        3. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 24 September 2013 21: 09
          -2
          Quote: Ascetic
          and Baptists, Mormons, Evangelicals and other branches of Protestants can be called true Christians. Just as the former plant their ideology with weapons, so the American Judeo-Christians export their "democratic" values ​​with bombs.

          Well, how did you read it. But what values ​​did Orthodox troops carry during the annexation of Crimea, the Caucasus and Central Asia?
          1. alone
            alone 24 September 2013 21: 34
            -2
            what values ​​can there be upon annunciation? death and ruin.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 21: 45
            -4
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            But what values ​​did Orthodox troops carry during the annexation of Crimea, the Caucasus and Central Asia?


            Yes - well, now they remembered the poor Muslims .. and at the top in the comments they wrote that Muslims are bad and all the troubles are from them ... hi
          3. smile
            smile 25 September 2013 00: 40
            +3
            Aaron Zawi
            The Orthodox troops, which finally managed to cope with the viper - the Crimeans, who at that time were Turkish satellites, destroyed the bandit formation that threatened the very existence of Russia, for centuries constantly invaded predatory targets and slaves in Russia, burned our capital, The destruction of the Khanate, who lived exclusively at the expense of the Russian slave trade, robbery and murder is a good thing. It saved almost millions of lives and stopped the plague of that time, the Ottomans, brought peace and development to all the Crimean neighbors and themselves too ... do you think that only one normal state would not have slammed this cancerous tumor at the first opportunity? .. By the way, the fact that they stopped the British in Central Asia saved them from further degradation and extinction - which would be inevitable under the rule of the British ... this is so, offhand ... you are surprisingly plausible playing your historical illiteracy - and you do not look like illiterate ... one gets the impression that you are lying around .... Question: Why?
    3. Stiletto
      Stiletto 24 September 2013 09: 04
      +5
      Remembering the recent publication here, I really want the terrorists to soon run out of blacks.
    4. anip
      anip 24 September 2013 09: 06
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      "Religion of the world" in all its glory.

      I wanted to write almost the same thing.
    5. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 24 September 2013 09: 17
      0
      Only you tell us the truth from our faraway, beautiful country, thank you very much for the light of justice and democracy.
      1. Dober
        Dober 24 September 2013 09: 53
        +2
        PEOPLE also live in "distant, and in some ways wonderful countries"! There are even Russians.
        But this is a "WAR MYSTERY" ...
    6. Beck
      Beck 24 September 2013 10: 56
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      "Religion of the world" in all its glory. Well, Islamists, minus!


      Under the new rules, admins can punish you - For insulting religious feelings.

      Not beauty will save the World, but Enlightenment.

      And even if it’s not beauty, it is all the more not Faith in a fictional Something. Religions arose in ancient times, when the Enlightenment was in an embryonic state, as an explanation of the world. Seeing the indomitable forces of nature, majestic mountains, catastrophic floods, the Unenlightened ancient man wondered where it all came from. And he asked himself a question, but the mistake was that an adult ancient man asked himself an animated question - Who did it all? And he came to the conclusion that this Who is very strong, powerful, all-knowing, and called him God. Although in its very essence, initially, until a person became an adult, he asked everyone the right question, not Who, but WHAT, Why. All children still torment adults with this question - Why and What. Those children who did not stop asking this question in their adult state also became geniuses of the planet who promoted Knowledge and Enlightenment to today's level. It is they, not God. God could have arranged today's affairs thousands of years ago.

      Today, and at all times, Religions are the main watershed in human relationships. They are not Christians, they are not Muslims, they are not Buddhists, they are not Sunnis, they are not Shiites, they are not Catholics, they are not Orthodox. And from here a private negative attitude towards other religions and a general rejection of the Enlightenment of civilization.

      The most unenlightened, blind, without the rudiments of logic adherents of religions and become orthodox. Who deny everything that is not included, does not fit into the framework of a fictitious Someone. The most committed orthodox become religious extremists who want to impose their primitive mindsets on other people by force, blood, death. And the most orthodox of religions is Islam, which by its postulates draws the World into the gloomy Middle Ages, when almost the whole World was religious. And for no reason he beat people with stones, burned at bonfires only for moles and a different hair color.

      Today is true believers are less than half of humanity and this is the merit of the Enlightenment. If you read and read the Bible and the Qur'an, then you need to reject the laws of the Universe based on physics, chemistry, astronomy and other sciences. It is foolish to follow the Bible and the Qur'an in everything. It would be the same if the institutes taught chemistry and astronomy along the ancient paths of alchemists and astrologers. These treatises are of historical interest only and no more. The Bible with the Quran is also a historical interest in the stages of the formation of the human worldview.
      1. nurlangali
        nurlangali 24 September 2013 15: 45
        0
        Quote: Beck
        And the most orthodox of religions is Islam, which with its postulates pulls the world into the gloomy Middle Ages,

        Egege, here it is, but I thought out of my own ignorance that only the Christian Holy Inquisition burned, drowned the wheel, etc. And then it turns out Islam, or rather its radical part "which by its postulates pulls the World into the dark Middle Ages" am under the strict guidance and financing of the flapper laughing
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 24 September 2013 15: 59
        +5
        Quote: Beck
        Today, true believers are less than half of humanity, and this is the merit of the Enlightenment. If you read and read the Bible and the Qur'an, then you need to reject the laws of the Universe based on physics, chemistry, astronomy and other sciences. It is foolish to follow the Bible and the Qur'an in everything. It would be the same if the institutes taught chemistry and astronomy along the ancient paths of alchemists and astrologers. These treatises are of historical interest only and no more. The Bible with the Quran is also a historical interest in the stages of the formation of the human worldview.


        So the fact of the matter is that the apologists of the new world order consider Enlightenment harmful to the majority of mankind, and replace it with consumption for some and orthodox clericalism for others.
        There is no God spoke as a pathologist opening another corpse, sweetly dragging on a joint from the products of the Chui Valley harvest. laughing Greetings, Beck, I have not seen on the site for a long time!
        Beck. now there is no Enlightenment in the full sense of the word is only debilitation at all levels. that is materially that is spiritual-religious.
        1. Beck
          Beck 24 September 2013 17: 11
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Beck. now there is no Enlightenment in the full sense of the word is only debilitation at all levels. that is materially that is spiritual-religious.


          Hello! Hello!

          I do not agree. Enlightenment is and will be. There would be no enlightenment wherever we are now? Enlightenment is not only and not so much that propaganda, enlightenment is a progressive movement of knowledge. The first Earth satellite is enlightenment. The compilation of the human genome is enlightenment. Highway Moscow-Petersburg - enlightenment. (God didn’t build it).

          These are all steps that in themselves contradict the divine postulates invented before Knowledge. And if you want, you don’t want, but even without thinking, people perceive this as a creation of the Mind, and not of God.

          Morons. So this is the second hypostasis of humanity, without it in any way. They were, are and will be. Perhaps this is specially laid down by development. On fools and stupid acts, normal people learn how to live.

          And my guess is why in the CIS space for normal people it seems that debelism has grown incredibly. There were stupid people under the Union, but they were not shown on television, they were not placed on the pages of newspapers and magazines, and they were not allowed on the radio. Now they are doing PR. So it seems that everyone was captivated. Will pass.

          And then there is still the right of people not to know Einstein’s theory and the Pythagorean theorem, but simply to live as they know how. All the same, no one will leave the fruits of enlightenment.

          Perhaps idealistic, but I think so.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 September 2013 17: 46
            +3
            Quote: Beck
            And my guess is why in the CIS space for normal people it seems that debelism has grown incredibly. There were stupid people under the Union, but they were not shown on television, they were not placed on the pages of newspapers and magazines, and they were not allowed on the radio. Now they are doing PR. So it seems that everyone was captivated. Will pass.


            Well, you see, he himself answered his own question. They try to replace the true values ​​of enlightenment with a surrogate and this is called debilitation, as in business marketing there is no difference only in business they try to vapidize the products of civilization that are essentially unnecessary for a person, in the spiritual sphere they seek to brainwash with various muddy ideas, again for the sake of manipulating the mass consciousness.
            They even inspire a person that he is not a person and the creation of God. And the goods that you can and should be able to sell. Those. if you want to succeed in life you must be able to sell yourself more expensivelyown intellect, knowledge and experience
            Self-Made Man -theory teaches exactly this.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 24 September 2013 18: 43
              +4
              Quote: Ascetic
              They even inspire a person that he is not a person and the creation of God. And the goods that you can and should be able to sell. Those. if you want to succeed in life, you must be able to sell yourself more expensively. your intellect, knowledge and experience
              Self-Made Man -theory teaches exactly this.


              Probably for this phrase I received a minus from a resident of Utah with skulls on uniform. smile
    7. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 11: 01
      -4
      Quote: Nagan
      Well, Islamites, minus!



      and their boss is still a Christian smile from the UK .... News showed yesterday ... winked
      1. Normal
        Normal 24 September 2013 12: 49
        +9
        Quote: smersh70
        and the boss they still Christian smile from the UK .... Yesterday News showed ... winked

        Here is a confirmation that deceiving an infidel for a Muslim is a good deed.
        Why are you lying so stupidly, Muslim? What kind of Christian is she if she is the widow of an Islamic terrorist?
        Among the leaders of the militant group that seized the mall in Nairobi was a white British citizen Samantha Lutwait, the widow of terrorist Jermain Lindsay
        The white woman in the veil, who, using the walkie-talkie, screamed orders in Arabic during the capture of the center, was noticed by the Kenyan military. British reporters speculated that she could only be Lewate. Also, according to the press, two more British citizens are among the terrorists, 23-year-old Liban Adam and 24-year-old Nasir Shirdun.

        Jermain Lindsay, during a series of terrorist attacks in London on July 7, 2005, detonated a bomb in the subway between the King's Cross and Russell Square stations, killing 26 people and Jermain himself.

        Samantha met Jermaine at the age of 17 and three years later married him. After the death of her husband, she stated that she did not know anything about his activities and did not share his extremist views. However, according to media reports, in 2007 Lutewave together with her three children went to Africa and joined the Al-Shabab group.

        In February 2012, the Kenyan police put a white British woman on the wanted list, the reason for which was the South African passport found on one of the terrorist appearances with her photograph, written in a strange name. The secret services of Great Britain, the USA and Kenya nicknamed the 29-year-old Samantha the “white widow”.

        According to some reports, in the Al-Shabab group, which took responsibility for the seizure of a shopping center in Nairobi, she controlled the collection of funds for terrorist activities, and also trained female suicide bombers in the militant camp.
        ........
        http://mediacentr.info/incidents/zahvatom-zalozhnikov-v-najrobi-rukovodit-grazhd
        anka-velikobritanii-samanta-ljutvejt__103590


        Also inserted emoticons ... Joyful to you?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 13: 15
          -4
          Quote: Normal
          What kind of Christian is she if she is the widow of an Islamic terrorist?



          and that the widow of an Islamic terrorist cannot be a Christian ... winked
          Quote: Normal
          Samantha Lewate

          since when is Samantha the Muslim name ....... Are you comrade ..... hi
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 24 September 2013 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          Here is a confirmation that deceiving an infidel for a Muslim is a good deed.

          And where is it said ???
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 September 2013 18: 14
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay
            And where is it said ???


            I’m not sure about the Qur'an, usually the verses of the Qur'an where there is a call painfully punish the polytheists(and I emphasize not infidels) are interpreted breaking out of the historical context. Here is the translation into Russian
            “Rejoice” those who did not believe with agonizing punishment, except for those polytheists with whom you entered into an alliance, and then they did not violate it in anything and did not help anyone against you. Bring to the end the contract with them. Verily, the Most High loves the God-fearing.
            And when the forbidden months end, then kill the polytheists [violating the contract], where you will find them, capture them, besiege and conduct reconnaissance maneuvers against them.
            And if they repent, begin to pray and give [charity] of purification - zakat, then free them the way. For the Lord is Forgiving, Merciful ”

            In fact, during the writing of the Koran, Arabs were divided into polytheists and Muslims, polytheists unleashed a war of destruction against Muslims (monotheistic believers in a single god). Pagan Arabs violated the peace treaty with the Muslims - monetists. Then the Prophet, through his associate Ali, announced to the aggressors that he was forced to denounce the virtually no longer valid peace treaty and gave the aggressors a period of four months to return to the peace treaty.
            Therefore in e
            in this verse (ayah) this particular historical situation is painted, that is, two ways for polytheists to either return to compliance with the treaty or be destroyed. That is, it was not about ALL non-Muslims who were infidels, but only about specific enemies of Arabs-polytheists.
            That is, in essence, there was an internecine war between Arabs. These verses are situational in nature - they were written (sent out) after the Battle of Badr, during which the first clash of Muslims with pagans occurred, and reflect the events of that time.
            All monotheistic religions at the time of their inception served to unite disparate pagan tribes with the idea of ​​faith in a single god, and hence the king or prophet. Recall the baptism of pagan Russia and for what purpose it was done.
    8. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 13: 06
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      "Religion of the world" in all its glory. Well, Islamists, minus!

      Wrong address...
    9. Natalia
      Natalia 24 September 2013 14: 32
      +7
      Quote: Nagan
      "Religion of the world" in all its glory. Well, Islamists, minus!

      Yes, what to talk about with them, instead of recognizing that there is radical Islam casting a shadow over the whole religion, they say that it’s the British, you see, are to blame for this.
      The whole world understands that it is the representatives of Islam (Muslims) who behave most aggressively, hence the radical Islam, hence the appropriation of the right to kill, you see, the "infidels", justifying this with such a remark as jihad.
      Today, when an ordinary person (not a Muslim) hears the word jihad, he associates it with aggression, murder, mass arbitrariness. And instead of saying: "Well, there are negligent Muslims," ​​do you see the British to blame ... and in general it is were not Muslims, and in general we are white fluffy and fragrant.
      Today in the WORLD, there is a radical Islam, and the Muslims themselves are to blame for this ... after all, sorry for the revelation, there is neither radical Christianity, nor radical Buddhism, etc.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 24 September 2013 16: 13
        -3
        Quote: Natalia
        Yes, what to talk about with them



        and yet Alexander Romanov and Experienced once gave you super advice fellow .. sorry for not listening ..... wassat
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          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 16: 48
            +2
            Quote: Natalia
            evil azeri

            Quote: Natalia
            evil azeri

            choose expressions ..... I at least did not insult you .... and so I lost 50% of the votes because of you))))))))
            Quote: Natalia
            here you are angry ..

            I swear --- I'm good drinks
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 24 September 2013 17: 08
              +3
              Quote: smersh70
              Quote: Natalia
              evil azeri
              choose expressions ..... I at least did not insult you .... and so I lost 50% of the votes because of you))))))))

              I will no longer call you that ... sorry. winked
              1. alone
                alone 24 September 2013 21: 39
                0
                it’s ugly to provoke people. And you should also call the people as they should.
                will you like it if the name of your people is allowed to do the same? am
      2. Essenger
        Essenger 24 September 2013 17: 17
        +3
        Quote: Natalia
        Today in the WORLD, there is a radical Islam, and the Muslims themselves are to blame for this ... after all, sorry for the revelation, there is neither radical Christianity, nor radical Buddhism, etc.


        And what did the "tolerant" Burmese do towards Muslims?
    10. Yarbay
      Yarbay 24 September 2013 15: 10
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      The religion of the world "in all its glory. Well, Islamists, minus!

      An experienced Jewish provocator is right there))))))))))))))
      Well read))))

      http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/11/why-is-israel-looking-for-imam-mahdi/
      I give a translation!
      Why is Israel looking for Imam Mahdi? During the American occupation of Iraq, it was common practice to torture Iraqis in prisons, whose guards were trained in Israeli camps in special tactics. One of the most incomprehensible questions asked during the interrogation was "where is a man named Imam Mahdi, where is he hiding?" According to the pro-Israel Iranian Christian news agency Mohabat News, the fear of the hidden imam is so great that the CIA and MI6 have been trying to get information about Imam Mahdi in Iraq for the past 20 years, torturing religious scholars and innocent residents by asking where the imam is. last seen? In what city? When and in what year will he come again? Whether the story of the birth and hiding of the Imam is fictionalized or not, it is strange that the same trend in history continues to this day: autocratic rulers tried to capture and kill him more than a thousand years ago, and modern oppressors still hunt him to kill. Melanie Phillips, a Zionist journalist, started a discussion on the BBC about the imam Mahdi hiding in Iran. Obviously the Zionists want a war with Iran. Western skeptics consider all this to be biblical inventions. However, what is the point in looking for a person who disappeared more than a thousand years ago? As the facts of these searches are revealed, we cannot help but pay attention to the stories from Iraq about what measures they took to search for it. In 2006, the grave of Hasan Askari, the father of Imam Mahdi in Samarra, which is the birthplace of Imam Mahdi and his disappearance, was bombed by people dressed in military uniforms. The men entered the tomb, tied up the guards, bombarded the area and, according to the guards, opened the grave to take something out of it. Many believe that they took some clothes from the body of Imam Askari in an attempt to determine the DNA of the future imam. Phillips is part of a Zionist network that spreads Islamophobia - the same network that inspired the Norwegian assassin Anders Brevik, who killed 77 innocent people, mostly pro-Palestinian supporters who were in favor of boycotting Israel, who spent billions on Islamophobic think tanks and marginalizing Muslims through funds mass media. If Israel is basing its policy on biblical convictions, are these "messianic feelings" the reason why they are looking for Imam Mahdi?
      And if they know about his arrival, then they should also be aware of the hadith, which says that "armies with black flags will march from Khorasan and no force can stop them, and they will finally reach Jerusalem, where they will raise their flags. . " The IAEA revealed that Iran is not building a nuclear bomb, but Israel still insists on war, maybe the reason is that the most ardent supporters of the 12th Shiite Imam Mahdi are in Iran, which is part of the Khorasan region? Khorasan is the northeastern province of Iran, but also includes parts of Central Asia and Afghanistan. Wherever the US and Israel have fought wars in which they have used white phosphorus bombs, revealing the fact that the purpose of war is not at all the export of democracy, but to provide for the crippled and disfigured future generations that will never be able to form a resistance movement.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 24 September 2013 15: 14
        +3
        A decade after the start of the US invasion of Iraq, doctors are seeing an abnormally high number of cancers and birth defects associated with the US military's use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus. Currently, the rate of birth defects for the city of Fallujah has surpassed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A leaked Afghan military document released by The Danish Daily has revealed more than 1100 incidents of US-led grenades, rockets and white phosphorus bombs in residential areas of Afghanistan. Islamic hadiths that mention the coming of Imam Mahdi leading the army with black flags also mention that very few Arabs support this army, standing on the side of the tyrants. Who are these Arabs? Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have allied with Israel, and nothing reveals this more than the conflict in Syria. Israel is pushing for war with Syria and Iran, and big money and weapons are leaking from Saudi Arabia and Qatar for the militia in Syria, and the killing of Shiites is part of that program. The New World Order has managed to create in Islam violent forces friendly to Israel, forces that consider it normal to rape women and children and show decapitated bodies as trophies on You Tube. This intolerant form of Islam produced by British agent Abdul Wahhab is being promoted by the Saudi regime, which sees Shiites as its enemies, not Israel. Abdullah Tamimi, one of the leaders of the Free Syrian Army, asked Israel for help to establish Sunni rule and oppress Shiites, Christians and Druze, stressing: “Israel is not our enemy, we want Israel to help us.” Saudi Arabia and Israel also finance sectarian wars in countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq, with an alarming number of Shia deaths Saudi Arabia is investing millions of dollars in developing religious schools in the region Shia deaths in Pakistan have increased and although efforts have been made to unite at the grassroots Sunni and Shiite levels groups to suppress the killings, but after Nawaz Sharif came to power with the support of Saudi money, the Saudis are now free to do what they did in Afghanistan when they educated Afghan youth in Saudi Arabia-funded madrassas and raised intolerant Taliban and Takfiris who are now killing and crippling people in Syria The fact that Israel, with US support, is working tothe search for a hidden imam leads to the idea that there may be some truth in the biblical story, and in a world where we still want to believe in superheroes, it is not so illogical to hope for an army that will come out of Khorasan with black flags at its head. with a predicted leader and will fight injustice.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 24 September 2013 18: 59
        +2
        And do you believe in this nonsense of a madman? Honestly, I thought better of you.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 24 September 2013 22: 03
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          And do you believe in this nonsense of a madman? Honestly, I thought better of you.

          No, this is not nonsense!
          These are such Zionist fascists as you want people to drive into the head that this is nonsense!
          You can think of anything you like about me!
          I didn’t think about you better!
          I know perfectly well that you not only know nothing about Islam, but also an active PROVOCATOR!
          1. In the reeds
            In the reeds 24 September 2013 22: 41
            0
            We do not know you? We would not like to know!
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 24 September 2013 23: 31
            0
            But you don’t need to go over to personality. Use terms that you do not understand is not necessary. No need to hang labels.
            Quote: Yarbay
            Zionist fascists like you
            Have you even noticed where I am writing from? Flag of the USA, not Israel. If I were a Zionist, I would live in Israel now:
            Zionism (Hebrew צִיּוֹנוּת, otsionut - from the name of Mount Zion in Jerusalem) is a political movement whose purpose is to unite and revive the Jewish people in their historical homeland - in Israel (Eretz Israel)
            At the same time, unlike you, I do not consider the word "Zionist" offensive, let alone abusive. And as for fascism, it is not the Islamists to throw such accusations.
            Quote: Yarbay
            I know perfectly well that you not only know nothing about Islam, but also an active PROVOCATOR!
            He was never a provocateur. Or is any anti-Islamist provocateur for you?
            And about my knowledge of Islam - I have already written many times, I can repeat: "All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001 ".
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 September 2013 12: 32
              +1
              Quote: Nagan
              He was never a provocateur. Or is any anti-Islamist provocateur for you?

              How was it not ??))))
              Read your first post !! Secondly, this is not the first time that you have quoted deliberately incorrect quotes and false information about Muslims and Islam!
              You are the most real Zionist provocator!
              Quote: Nagan
              Have you even noticed where I am writing from? Flag of the USA, not Israel. If I were a Zionist, I would live in Israel now:

              In America, Jewish Zionists are no less than in Israel! Not an argument!
              Quote: Nagan
              At the same time, unlike you, I do not consider the word "Zionist" offensive, let alone abusive

              Well, I too .. I called you a fascist Zionist! It is you who create the pseudo-Muslim gangs to defame Islam!
    11. knn54
      knn54 24 September 2013 15: 32
      0
      -Nagan: The Religion of the World at its best. Well, Islamists, minus!
    12. Basileus
      Basileus 25 September 2013 08: 03
      +1
      I like it so much when a person writes under the flag of a state that has brought much more trouble to the world than all Wahhabi terrorists put together, writes about Islam. Forgetting that it was his country that for a long time supported these very Islamic fundamentalists. Forgetting that it was his country that was cooperating with such beauties of democracy and nurseries of Wahhabi contagion as Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Forgetting that the citizens of his country participated in the terrorist attack. At the same time, this person’s knowledge of Islam is limited to quotes from the Koran, taken out of context, found on the next nationalist site. Are the words of such a person worth much?
  3. a52333
    a52333 24 September 2013 08: 06
    +6
    President Hollande “most decisively condemned this cowardly attack”
    given the number of Muslims living in Paris, he will often have to condemn. Moreover, pursuing such a policy. It comes in anyway.
  4. Warrawar
    Warrawar 24 September 2013 08: 26
    15
    Quote: a52333
    given the number of Muslims living in Paris, he will often have to condemn. Moreover, pursuing such a policy. It comes in anyway.

    It already threatens us, no less than the French. Stop amusing yourself with stories about the decaying West. We ourselves have rotted no less.
  5. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 08: 31
    -1
    Sholom! Again mercenaries from different countries, unnecessary brutal murder of civilians, ostentatious release of supposedly Muslims. Already so many lies are pouring from the media onto our ears that you don’t even believe these media.

    The press mentions that there were two or three from the United States (they were CIA agents) and "from other Arab countries" (these are Mossad agents), Europe and Al-Qaeda. They led the operations, everyone knows that al-Qaeda is the CIA and the Mossad. They caught up with criminals from other poor countries.

    I am sure of all 100% - this is a provocation by Israel, the USA and Saudi Arabia with the aim of:
    1) the blackening of Islam;
    2) a certain interest in Kenya;
    3) obtaining benefits and compensations by the Jewish shopping center.

    Their mottos: Make war by deception! Put a shadow on the fence!
    Time will prove me right.
    1. ROA
      ROA 24 September 2013 10: 39
      +3
      Islam itself has long been denigrated.
    2. Samy
      Samy 24 September 2013 11: 58
      +3
      It seems that we are here held completely for idiots ... and "CIA agents" for suicides.
  6. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 08: 34
    +9
    In addition to the countries of the West, Israel and the small-town traitors / opposition heated by them, nobody is engaged in terrorism in the world!
  7. pinecone
    pinecone 24 September 2013 08: 36
    +8
    British, Canadian, Finn ... Maybe all the same dark-skinned urki with foreign passports.
    1. anip
      anip 24 September 2013 09: 09
      +5
      Quote: pinecone
      British, Canadian, Finn ... Maybe all the same dark-skinned urki with foreign passports.

      The names and surnames of these British, Canadians, Finns would see. Everything would become clear.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 24 September 2013 13: 52
        +3
        Mdya .. after 20 years, the concepts of European and Muslim will be almost synonymous.
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 September 2013 08: 54
    +2
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel US
    I am sure of all 100% - this is a provocation by Israel, the USA and Saudi Arabia with the aim of:
    1) the blackening of Islam; ...

    The United States itself supports radical Islamists, so why should they put a "shadow on the fence"? These are all "peaceful" people trying to crush the whole WORLD ... and without the US, and can get to the US and to all countries that "TOLERANTLY" opened their DOORS to them, and all not Muslims will also kill ...
  9. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 08: 59
    13
    Minus as you want. This will show how many enemies of humanity are on the site. I say to thinking people: ask yourself a question - who benefits from this, because the outcome of any capture is clear? If I were an Islamist, I would attack Israeli and American bases, such as real Islamists burning gas stations of invaders in Iraq and Afghanistan, but not as if I would not kill innocent civilians.
    1. anip
      anip 24 September 2013 09: 11
      +3
      Are Chechens fake Islamists?
    2. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza 24 September 2013 09: 19
      +3
      Peace be upon you, Ivan_Yakovina from Israel! The only person who soberly looked at the situation. Stakeholders have achieved their goal: the world community is outraged, Islam is the enemy of mankind, Muslims are inhuman and terrorists. God forbid from such lawlessness. Show us the truth with the truth and the lie with the lie.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 24 September 2013 09: 46
        +5
        Quote: antibanukuraza
        Peace be upon you, Ivan_Yakovina from Israel.

        Mr. Yakovina is not from Israel. Firstly, because he writes under the American flag, and secondly, with such an attitude towards Israel, he would not be able to live there. The country is not easy, and with hatred for her in her soul, she simply cannot get along.
        1. Evgeny_Lev
          Evgeny_Lev 24 September 2013 11: 09
          +3
          Gos-in Yakovina, a longtime employee of Lenta.ru, was distinguished by the opposition color of the protest movement in Russia, was an ardent supporter of the bombing of Libya, and also whitewashed the thugs who fought there.
          He had nothing to do with the fact that he is broadcasting here now. I don’t know if the same employees are really under the nickname, if they are the same, then it’s not clear why his "views changed (?)".
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 21: 48
      0
      Quote: Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
      If I were an Islamist,


      Thank God that you escaped this fate laughing
  10. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 09: 09
    +7
    I do not like the so-called radical Islamists, just like the Jews. Both of them act at the same time - they are waiting for the arrival of the moshiach - the roofs have completely moved down. But I am outraged by 1) the fake false operations of terrorist special services and dogmatic sects and 2) the monstrous lies of the media that you yourself know who they belong to, including Russian ones. Everything mixed up: people, horses ...
  11. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 24 September 2013 09: 16
    +5
    The USA is doing the same all over the world, only the size of disasters is different.
  12. zol
    zol 24 September 2013 09: 24
    +1
    Often articles with anti-Islamic headlines appear on this site.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 24 September 2013 09: 33
      +3
      Quote: zol
      Often articles with anti-Islamic headlines appear on this site.

      True eyes hurts?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 24 September 2013 22: 04
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        True eyes hurts?

        Since when is such a provocatoress how do you know what the truth is ?????
        Zionists will talk about the truth?)))))))))
        Funny !!)))
    2. DuraLexSedLex.
      DuraLexSedLex. 24 September 2013 09: 37
      +3
      Not anti-Islamic, but anti-Islamic. Do you see?
    3. Mairos
      Mairos 24 September 2013 13: 54
      +1
      With anti-Islamic - perhaps anti-Islamic - no
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 24 September 2013 15: 04
        0
        Quote: Mairos
        With anti-Islamic - perhaps anti-Islamic - no

        Yes, at least how you twist the result one - Muslims, which was required to prove. And how do you like this presentation of the material "the Somali liberation movement struck back at its Kenyan occupiers in the very center of their (occupying) capital. Proving to the Kenyan authorities and their masters that the people of Somalia will never bow their heads before foreign occupation" laughing
        1. Mairos
          Mairos 24 September 2013 15: 56
          0
          There is no "de facto" state of Somalia. What is called the "government of Somalia" controls only its capital ... and that's it. And what is the "Somali liberation movement" one of the groups that took control of a part of the territory. Whom and from whom does it liberate? In Somalia, chaos, somewhere pirates, somewhere Islamists, somewhere just gangs, whose goal is prey and nothing more. Kenya is very good, apparently, next to such "liberators". Yes, when there is such a mess nearby and refugees are pouring down to your country, they will just sit and watch in silence. Kenya is trying to secure its territory and its statehood. That's all.
          As for the Muslims ... Well, as it turns out that the vast majority of terrorist acts are carried out under Islamic slogans, it is precisely in countries with a predominance of the Islamic population that chaos reigns, poverty and refugee flows from there. And these Muslim refugees carry with them to other countries drug trafficking, ethnic crime and social tension. It somehow turns out like this .. Let Muslims in their countries create prosperous powers and Allah help them, who is stopping them? Russia to Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan? And the high birth rate is not a reason to scatter around the world - the Japanese somehow live on the islands and quite prosper. And here, life is bad, unemployment type, but give birth, give birth, give birth ... Well, let the brains turn on and cease to breed like cockroaches, if the size of the country does not allow, why should others create problems?
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 16: 16
            0
            Quote: Mairos
            the Japanese somehow live on the islands and quite prosper.



            to prevent them from reaching the mainland, the sea laughing
            Quote: Mairos
            but give birth, give birth, give birth ..

            but what's stopping you ... sorry to ask. smile .... more precisely to start the business wassat
            1. Mairos
              Mairos 24 September 2013 16: 37
              +3
              Nothing bothers me, three children is a big country and we have where to give birth, but our country is NOT OBLIGED to serve as a territory for dumping "extra" population for other countries, just because religion tells them to give birth a lot. Let them implement this command within their borders - I think so, I am sure, not only me, but the majority of Russian citizens, including Muslims. We do not need millions of diasporas from other countries, which immediately separate themselves along ethnic lines and create additional problems for the country. We have enough OWN problems to solve foreign problems with a surplus of population.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 24 September 2013 16: 53
                0
                Quote: Mairos
                to solve foreign problems with an excess of population.

                it means there are problems with demographics .. whether you want it or not ..... just like that they don’t come .. it means there is a need for working hands ...... just like that, a very small part arrives to get the buzz ... ..
                1. Mairos
                  Mairos 24 September 2013 17: 03
                  +1
                  If the need for working hands, then not in those quantities. Just business greedy, greedy as a breakthrough in his desire to cut down the loot. Business does not see anything but money and is not able, by definition, to think about the people. What is happening in Russia with migration is absolutely abnormal and was the result of the admission of business to power in one form or another. I really hope that the situation will change for the better, before something bad happens spontaneously. In Russia, there are regions with a high birth rate, and the rest began to gradually pull up. Therefore, I don’t want us to be overwhelmed by crowds of migrants, since this is not a natural process, but the result of anarchy in power and the influence of business on government processes, which is categorically unacceptable due to the lack of state thinking among most businessmen.
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 24 September 2013 21: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Mairos
                    Just business greedy, greedy as a breakthrough in his desire to cut down the loot.


                    You do not know much about political economy ... the owner will never spend money on salaries for unnecessary workers .... cost is above all !!!!!!!! that the capitalist will just donate to some migrant workers)) never in life!!! You can argue about their low salary ... Let the authorities make it so that the locals pay more ... nov, nevertheless, I’m inclined to think that visitors come to any job, while Muscovites or Petersburgers will think down on him to work or no.....
                    1. Mairos
                      Mairos 25 September 2013 10: 15
                      0
                      Alas, my friend, you understand economics superficially. The current business, in conjunction with officials, stupidly earns on migrants. It is simple and easy for businesses to pay as little as possible. And a citizen of Russia should be paid NORMALLY, and a guest worker can be accommodated in a bug house and pay him a pittance. Naturally, the citizens of Russia do not agree to such conditions. In addition, you forget that instead of a course towards improving quality and productivity, instead of DEVELOPING the economy, SUCH a "migrant-oriented" business is concerned only with cutting cabbage. I will not even talk about social tension - there are only disadvantages from mass migration, and very fat ones.
          2. Glory333
            Glory333 24 September 2013 21: 00
            0
            The Somali government does not control anything at all. This is a purely puppet government with almost zero public support, the capital of Mogadishu under the control of the Kenyan and Ugandan armies.
  13. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 09: 33
    -1
    antibanukureiza, thank you for your kind words. Ever since I started reading the "Abroad" website, my eyes have opened. Truth is truth. Thank you Russians! Glory to the Russian people! Glory to Russia! Glory to President Vladimir Putin!
  14. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 24 September 2013 09: 44
    +5
    For me, this is a diversion of eyes, a bloody diversion of eyes. Against the background of new trials in Syria, a terrible terrorist act is taking place. All attention is shifted to it, that is, eyes are averted and now "sleight of hand and no fraud." Brothers from Syria called the local alqaidists and asked them to blow up something, they were not looking at them, but they would do something on the sly, or drag them in, or prepare them. Well, the locals went for an improvisation. India in 2008 had the same diversion.
  15. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 24 September 2013 09: 45
    +3
    There is an ordinary substitution of values ​​.. and the persecution of peoples "all against all" Managed house is shorter .. Provocations are one more monstrous than the other. I am sure the world will soon shudder from another blatant provocation ..
  16. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 09: 46
    0
    What to minus something in a post for the glory of Russia? Is it against Russia?
  17. ReifA
    ReifA 24 September 2013 10: 00
    +4
    As far as I got acquainted with the news on the topic, this center belongs to a Jew, there are several Jewish shops there, the country itself is pro-Israeli. The choice of purpose, if desired, is obvious. Therefore, I think this attack is quite in the spirit of the Islamists.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 24 September 2013 11: 55
      +1
      A little addition ..
      - the center, one must think, is insured against force majeure circumstances?
      - How many Israeli citizens were killed? And how many, respectively, Americans, French, Belgians and others?
      - Yes, and the rhetoric of terrorists itself - delirium under anesthesia does not recall?
      - Why so long? No negotiators? What are the requirements?
      .
      It seems to me that the operation was somehow redirected in the process.
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 24 September 2013 17: 08
      0
      Well, yes, again the Jews are to blame for the terrorist attack in the capital of Kenya, organized by the Islamists from Somalia. Well, of course!! Let these "assassins" liberators put things in order in Somalia, and then scream about their "most correct" views on the world order.
  18. zol
    zol 24 September 2013 10: 02
    +2
    Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
    Not anti-Islamic, but anti-Islamic. Do you see?

    There is no such thing as "Islamist", it is an invention of narrow-minded journalists. It is necessary to write simply a terrorist, and not to give terrorists a confessional color and focus on this.
    And so for any terrorist act, you can say, “Quid prodest” - “Seek someone profitable!”
    1. Normal
      Normal 24 September 2013 13: 09
      +6
      Quote: zol
      You just need to write a terrorist, and not give the terrorists a confessional color

      Why not? Try it; "Orthodox terrorist", "Buddhist terrorist", "pagan terrorist", "Christian terrorist" Is it great? What have you not heard of such? So I haven't heard ...
      But you are right. You can safely write "just a terrorist", and no one doubts what confession he belongs to. Why do you think? Oh yes .... the media, Israel and the United States are to blame for everything, and Islam is the most peaceful religion. Everyone knows that. And examples of "peacefulness" are not long in coming.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 24 September 2013 14: 53
        +4
        Quote: Normal
        Quote: zol
        You just need to write a terrorist, and not give the terrorists a confessional color

        Why not? Try it; "Orthodox terrorist", "Buddhist terrorist", "pagan terrorist", "Christian terrorist" Is it great? What have you not heard of such? So I haven't heard ...
        But you are right. You can safely write "just a terrorist", and no one doubts what confession he belongs to. Why do you think? Oh yes .... the media, Israel and the United States are to blame for everything, and Islam is the most peaceful religion. Everyone knows that. And examples of "peacefulness" are not long in coming.

        Bombers of "people's will", no, they are Jews and revolutionaries. "Red brigades" no, they are not Christians, they are anarchists. "Shin Fein" no, not Christians Irish. "Sendero Luminosa" no, not Christian Latinos. and the Japanese. All the Muslim terrorists will agree with you, and the rest are scumbags of different nationalities laughing
        1. In the reeds
          In the reeds 24 September 2013 21: 17
          -1
          Did you mean all the survivors?
        2. Normal
          Normal 24 September 2013 22: 14
          0
          Quote: Semurg
          Bombers of "people's will", no, they are Jews and revolutionaries. "Red brigades" no, they are not Christians, they are anarchists. "Shin Fein" no, not Christians Irish. "Sendero Luminosa" no, not Christian Latinos. and the Japanese. All the Muslim terrorists will agree with you, and the rest are scumbags of different nationalities


          Forgot the Basque "ETA". True, she, like the IRA, of which Shin Fein is the political (not terrorist) wing, fought for independence, and not for the establishment of a certain confession.
          The "Red Brigades" is also not a confessional, but, if I may put it that way, a "social and political" terrorist organization.
          Was Sendero Luminosa Fighting To Establish The Rules And Rules Of The Catholic Faith?
          "Aum shinrikyo" ... Here! Exactly! Buddhist terrorism! Hundreds of millions of adepts. Hundreds of thousands of active members. Tens of thousands of trained fighters in hundreds of training camps around the world. THE WORLD THREAT OF BUDDHIS TERRORISM !!!
          Why am I not scared?
          Oh yes ... Aum Shinrikyo has no such numbers ....
          Yes, you are probably right .... These are just scumbags of different nationalities, and not confessional terrorists ...
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 24 September 2013 22: 27
            0
            Quote: Normal
            Quote: Semurg
            Bombers of "people's will", no, they are Jews and revolutionaries. "Red brigades" no, they are not Christians, they are anarchists. "Shin Fein" no, not Christians Irish. "Sendero Luminosa" no, not Christian Latinos. and the Japanese. All the Muslim terrorists will agree with you, and the rest are scumbags of different nationalities


            Forgot the Basque "ETA". True, she, like the IRA, of which Shin Fein is the political (not terrorist) wing, fought for independence, and not for the establishment of a certain confession.
            The "Red Brigades" is also not a confessional, but, if I may put it that way, a "social and political" terrorist organization.
            Was Sendero Luminosa Fighting To Establish The Rules And Rules Of The Catholic Faith?
            "Aum shinrikyo" ... Here! Exactly! Buddhist terrorism! Hundreds of millions of adepts. Hundreds of thousands of active members. Tens of thousands of trained fighters in hundreds of training camps around the world. THE WORLD THREAT OF BUDDHIS TERRORISM !!!
            Why am I not scared?
            Oh yes ... Aum Shinrikyo has no such numbers ....
            Yes, you are probably right .... These are just scumbags of different nationalities, and not confessional terrorists ...

            But what difference does it make how they justify their methods by religion, nationality, sociality or politics? These are all terrorists because they use methods of terror. And it won't make any difference if instead of "Allah is great" they shout "freedom to the oppressed people" or "proletarians of all countries unite"
  19. rereture
    rereture 24 September 2013 10: 05
    +3
    "Only the Sith raise everything to the absolute" k / f. star Wars.

    No need to build religion in the absolute, and to impose it. And just Muslims succeeded in this (I'm talking about those who conduct jihad). You can’t practice religion (applies to any religion) at home, and live in society according to secular laws?
  20. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 10: 13
    -3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    .


    Why are you interested in?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 September 2013 10: 30
      +3
      Quote: Ivan_Yakovina_Israel

      Why are you interested in?

      I AM ? Not at all interested. You have every right to live in a world of conspiracy theories of illusions and not to pay attention to the fact that it was the Kenyan forces that formed the backbone of the army group of the African Union that defeated the Somali Islamists in 2010-11. And this is not the first terrorist attack in Kenya. You can recall the explosion at the American embassy, ​​which led to the deaths of hundreds of people.
  21. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 10: 18
    0
    Nowadays, terrorism has become state terrorism.
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 24 September 2013 11: 13
      +2
      Yakovina I was kicked out of Lenta.ru after the reorganization?
      Now here to the glory of the thugs of Libya, will you sing odes?

      By the way, how are things going in Libya, after the necessary bombing, as you said?
  22. 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 24 September 2013 10: 21
    -1
    Quote: Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Sholom! Again mercenaries from different countries, unnecessary brutal murder of civilians, ostentatious release of supposedly Muslims. Already so many lies are pouring from the media onto our ears that you don’t even believe these media.

    The press mentions that there were two or three from the United States (they were CIA agents) and "from other Arab countries" (these are Mossad agents), Europe and Al-Qaeda. They led the operations, everyone knows that al-Qaeda is the CIA and the Mossad. They caught up with criminals from other poor countries.

    I am sure of all 100% - this is a provocation by Israel, the USA and Saudi Arabia with the aim of:
    1) the blackening of Islam;
    2) a certain interest in Kenya;
    3) obtaining benefits and compensations by the Jewish shopping center.

    Their mottos: Make war by deception! Put a shadow on the fence!
    Time will prove me right.


    I just can’t understand why there are so many minuses, a person is very sensible! Forget about religious intolerance there, money and benefits rule the world, and it could not do without it! A certain interest of Kenya from the West certainly exists, it remains to wait a bit!
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 24 September 2013 10: 48
      +5
      I just can’t understand why there are so many minuses, a person is very sensible!


      I would still like to hope that the person is quivering, and not quite seriously writes this. Otherwise, it’s a clinic.
    2. In the reeds
      In the reeds 24 September 2013 21: 38
      0
      God owns the world, but in it we rule people with all that it implies ... And you personally have time, with this opinion, to get to the church
  23. Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    Ivan_Yakovina_Israel 24 September 2013 10: 21
    +2
    I hope they catch and interrogate the terrorists.
  24. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 24 September 2013 10: 25
    +4
    In the days of the USSR, there were no such contradictions as now on religious and national grounds in the world on such a monstrous scale .. The Soviet Union not only supplied weapons to Asian countries of the Middle East and Africa .. We built hospital schools there factories .. The Peoples' Friendship Institute taught students from all over the world .. (many recall it with warmth and gratitude) After the collapse of the USSR, a generation of illiterate and poor people appeared who were easy to manipulate and train to fight for some kind of ephemeral ideas .. We ourselves didn’t live richly in the Union but simply understood that we didn’t educated and poor, this is instability of blood that can spread around the world like a cancerous tumor .. We can see it all now .. and we’re not able to help yet .. alas. This is the idea that has come .. Let's hope that common sense wins all the same ...
    1. 123_123
      123_123 24 September 2013 16: 03
      +2
      In the days of the USSR, all other countries were conditionally divided into two camps - for the USSR and for the United States, and without regard to them, they were afraid to take permission ... All this turmoil was a consequence of the collapse of the USSR, it made all nations worse, except for a handful of bourgeois .
  25. 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 24 September 2013 10: 29
    +1
    Quote: Ivan_Yakovina_Israel
    I hope they catch and interrogate the terrorists.

    they certainly need to be taken alive, at least one. Death is the best means of salvation for them, but before giving this benefit it is necessary to find out who is behind it and who benefits from it !!!
  26. ROA
    ROA 24 September 2013 10: 40
    +5
    Islam is a peaceful religion! If you don’t believe us, we will blow you up.
    1. In the reeds
      In the reeds 24 September 2013 21: 57
      0
      We believe and see, on the 1st, 2nd, 9th Russian, 10th channels of Israeli television for many years, which the World does not want to see. After each terrorist attack, it does not matter where, in Paris, Tel Aviv, Lodon, Moscow, in Gaza, sweets are always distributed on the streets without fail
  27. Daler
    Daler 24 September 2013 10: 55
    +8
    So much shit is said about Islam, and after all, everyone knows that Al Qaeda was founded by the Americans, but still anti-Islamic statements. Everyone can allow himself to speak anti-Islamic statements, but if he speaks badly about Jews, then this is already bad, anti-Semite, and they put them in jail. Muslims 1 billion, they do not kill everyone ... And what a strange question the terrorists asked, "what is the name of the prophet's mother", it would be better if they asked the shahadah. To know the name of the prophet's mother is not a Sunnah, in general a gesture. As a Muslim, I don't know the name of the prophet's mother.

    Strange terrorists.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 24 September 2013 12: 01
      0
      Spruce ...
      it’s good that I know the shahada, although not a Muslim.
      And then, with such a presentation - ".. To know the name of the prophet's mother is not a Sunnah, in general a gesture." - they will definitely begin to demand shahadah.
      Or the fifth sura ...
      ..
      They said ... study, study ....
      1. Daler
        Daler 24 September 2013 12: 44
        +3
        Quote: Igarr
        Spruce ...
        it’s good that I know the shahada, although not a Muslim.
        And then, with such a presentation - ".. To know the name of the prophet's mother is not a Sunnah, in general a gesture." - they will definitely begin to demand shahadah.
        Or the fifth sura ...
        ..
        They said ... study, study ....


        You misunderstood my comment. I specifically focused on the stupidity (in my opinion) of the question they asked. Why ask if they are Muslims or not, they are already blowing up mosques. It was just a question for the telezombies that they would promote it and create such articles. Therefore, he said that it would be better if they asked the shahada, at least on the Sunnah .. pz ** what I write .. in short, those who understood, they understood
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 13: 26
      +1
      Daler TJ Today, 10:55 AM
      Quote: Daler
      Muslims 1 billion, they do not kill everything ...


      Well, thanks, though not all ...
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 24 September 2013 17: 16
        0
        Well, they want to make the 4th Reich out of the Islamic world - that's a fact. And the Islamic countries themselves, with their mess, hyper-fertility and aggressive unemployed youth, ideally contribute to this. It's like a cunning "thief in law" makes a cruel bandit out of a frostbitten chubby. I do not know what to do. A bandit, if he grows up - definitely kill, and a young scumbag, there seems to be a way to stop, but what ???! Either to isolate himself from him and not let him go, or to somehow re-educate, so he does not want to, or to beat on the "face" when he buries himself, so that he is stupidly afraid?
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    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 24 September 2013 13: 29
      +4
      Ivan_Yakovina_Israel DE Today, 10:56

      Dear, you are so quickly transferred from country to country, I do not have time to remember the flags ...
      1. In the reeds
        In the reeds 24 September 2013 22: 16
        0
        The main thing you do not repaint yourself, because you run for a ticket
  29. plohoy
    plohoy 24 September 2013 11: 09
    0
    Execute all participants in the attack !!!! UNIFORMALLY !!! ... Tell me, they were already going to their death ... then you need to do it slowly and painfully, and in public. Maybe this measure will be a lesson for future "fucking" suicide bombers. And if it does not become, then it is possible to act with other methods, for example, as did General Alexei Petrovich Ermolov (Blessed Memory of Him), or even tougher.
    PS And the only way, I think, is to defeat all this mess.
  30. 3 points from Ilyich
    3 points from Ilyich 24 September 2013 11: 12
    +3
    A terrible tragedy, very sorry for the common people. However, where did so many photographers come from in the epicenter? I read the news feeds, they write: the 29-year-old widow of a suicide bomber organized, planned and implemented such a monstrous plan, given that radical Islamists generally have a woman like livestock, whom they treat. Here we are advertised an interesting international composition of the attackers. The terrorist attacks in Pakistan, Dagestan, Nairobi over the past two days, the public murder of a soldier in London, the Tsarnaevs and much more, it seems to me, are closely interconnected and are components of a single large plan. Al Qaeda, as many already know, is a CIA project, overseen by incl. and by the same "Israeli specialists" who are helping the Kenyan military, and of course the British. Remember how the ultra-modern means of communication and navigation of British production were confiscated from the Somali pirates, the Saudis and similar Arab monarchies, in turn, are protégés of Britain. The purpose of the terrorists is sectarian strife, instilling fear in order to unite and further play off Christians and Muslims among themselves, through information injections of all kinds of aljaazir, sienen, etc. and numerous provocations, as well as processing the consciousness of millions, this work is going slowly but surely, probably on all continents
  31. komsomolets
    komsomolets 24 September 2013 11: 15
    +6
    Someone wants me to hate Islam, to be afraid of people with a non-European appearance. To demand that the authorities take retaliatory measures. There is anti-Islamic hysteria. All Muslims in the world cannot be responsible for such tricks of these bearded blokes ... ( By the way, do Wahhabi negroes wear a beard?), but they will have to answer. Someone provoking a mess is coming up for someone mixed up with religious hatred on a global scale. .
  32. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 24 September 2013 11: 21
    +6
    Friends, keep in mind that Mr. Yakovina, in the recent past, and possibly the present, was an "analyst" on Lente.ru, distinguished by an extremely biased point of view, both in his articles and in the comments below them.
    Here, a comrade, apparently recently, is currying favor and gaining a "shoulder strap", be sure that if this person is the same, then in the near future you will see some, at first sluggish, and then coordinated metamorphoses in views on the situation. We are all waiting for pseudo-analytical conclusions about the events in Syria, for example, with conclusions clearly contradicting the objective state of affairs, namely with a pro-Western orientation.
  33. Samy
    Samy 24 September 2013 11: 22
    0
    Quote: smersh70
    read all major books of traditional religions
    Yes, this is thought-provoking. Now the question arises of the benefits or harms of religion in the modern world in general. It seems to me that the Soviet way was the most correct in this matter ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 11: 31
      +8
      Quote: Samy
      It seems to me that the Soviet way was the most correct in this matter ...

      ... for sure !!! laughing drinks culturally, everyone was put in place under the general name-Soviet people !!!!!!!!! plus atheism .. and everyone .. everyone is happy))))) though the cauldron lid must be held tight))) as they were released, it happened right away explosion smile
  34. Samy
    Samy 24 September 2013 11: 48
    +1
    Quote: smersh70
    Cauldron cover must be held tight


    And where can you keep it tight? In the States? Fall apart and shoot themselves. Europe? We are already observing steam jets. Near East? Ha ... China? This is where they hold tight, or not Xinjiang, Tibet, the South to the North and so on. This is where, by the way, the Soviet experience from the time of Mao is unshakably carried out. And we are showing off candles in our right hand in churches ...
  35. Humpty
    Humpty 24 September 2013 11: 49
    +2
    World Peace. In Islamic.
    1. Daler
      Daler 24 September 2013 12: 38
      +1
      The unacceptability of your post rolls over
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 24 September 2013 13: 11
        0
        The intolerance in the photo really rolls over. And our post (was) extremely tolerant of all kinds of provocations.
      2. Normal
        Normal 24 September 2013 13: 20
        +2
        Quote: Daler
        The unacceptability of your post rolls over

        The denial of the obvious among the defenders of the most peace-loving religion is going through the roof, and not the intransigence of fasting.
        You are not outraged by the fact that the image (probably even glad of it), but by the fact that not everyone likes it.
        1. Daler
          Daler 24 September 2013 14: 02
          +5
          Quote: Normal
          Quote: Daler
          The unacceptability of your post rolls over

          The denial of the obvious among the defenders of the most peace-loving religion is going through the roof, and not the intransigence of fasting.
          You are not outraged by the fact that the image (probably even glad of it), but by the fact that not everyone likes it.


          I'm not happy about that at all. I am against violence in any form. I am annoyed by the prejudice towards Muslims based on the actions of paid Western bandits. And your opinion is formed, unfortunately, also from these paid media. What normal person will walk with a knife in his hand, and even with a child? This is all a show, a game on television, and you believe everything.

          I am against all those people who do something for the sake of God (Allah). God does not need anything from dirty bearded drug addicts who pursue their goals. And you do not resent the fact that among them there was only 1 Kenyan, and all the other foreigners .... Bravo what else to say. Islam is to blame, of course.
          1. Normal
            Normal 24 September 2013 15: 06
            0
            Quote: Daler
            And your opinion is formed, unfortunately, also from these paid media.

            Why do you say that my opinion is formed by the media? You know me? Do you know that I have never seen Muslims or communicated with them? Do you know for sure that I believe everything that is shown on TV and do not live in real life at all?
            Quote: Daler
            What normal person will walk with a knife in his hand, and even with a child?

            And who says that these people in the image are normal? But anyone you don’t ask will say that they are Muslims. Not Christians, not Buddhists, not Gentiles, not even Jews, and certainly not atheists, but MUSLIMS. Can you challenge it?
            Quote: Daler
            This is all a show, a game on television, and you believe everything.

            Well, provide us with shots of similar behavior of representatives of other faiths and disperse the world.
            I remember Raduyev (you know this?) Also answered the claims, they say; all this was anti-Russian RHETORIC and nothing more. True, he said so when he was already in prison, and at large he did not limit himself to rhetoric alone.
            1. Daler
              Daler 24 September 2013 15: 25
              +1
              Quote: Normal

              Why do you say that my opinion is formed by the media? You know me? Do you know that I have never seen Muslims or communicated with them? Do you know for sure that I believe everything that is shown on TV and do not live in real life at all?


              Based on your comments, I made such a conclusion. Like you don’t know anything.
              Quote: Normal

              Quote: Daler
              What normal person will walk with a knife in his hand, and even with a child?

              And who says that these people in the image are normal? But anyone you don’t ask will say that they are Muslims. Not Christians, not Buddhists, not Gentiles, not even Jews, and certainly not atheists, but MUSLIMS. Can you challenge it?


              Well, what are Muslims to blame for making a universal star out of them? What is there to challenge, go ask Americans and Jews why this is so. Do not * occupy their lands, kill them because of oil.
              1. Normal
                Normal 24 September 2013 16: 30
                -1
                Quote: Daler
                Well, what are Muslims to blame for making a universal star out of them?

                Once again for the dull or pretending to be such
                Quote: Normal
                Well, provide us with shots of similar behavior of representatives of other faiths and disperse the world.


                Quote: Daler
                What is there to challenge

                Clear; you can not argue ....
                Quote: Daler
                go ask Americans and Jews why this is so.

                Once again:
                Quote: Normal
                Oh yes .... the media, Israel and the United States are to blame for everything, and Islam is the most peaceful religion. Everyone knows that. And examples of "peacefulness" are not long in coming.


                Quote: Daler
                Based on your comments, I made such a conclusion.

                Stick your conclusion in your pocket and don't show it to anyone else. I, too, can make "inferences" but not to the public, but exclusively for myself.
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    2. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 24 September 2013 15: 27
      +1
      To the question from the fact that there are no Christian terrorist organizations. Yes, and no less cruel. Here is one of the most brutal - "Lord's Resistance Army" (LRA). In 1987, Ugandan pastor Joseph Koni declared himself the embodiment of the Holy Spirit and founded in northern Uganda, in the Acholi tribal region, a movement aimed at overthrowing the government in Kampala (the capital of Uganda) and creating a theocratic state based on biblical commandments. For his purposes, he created the group "Lord's Resistance Army."
      The militants of the group were insane cruelty. All their atrocities were committed in the name of God and the Bible. To replenish their ranks, Army fighters abducted boys and adolescents in order to recruit them in the future. For more than a decade, the LRA has been terrifying of Uganda, southern Sudan, and the Central African Republic. Here are just two of their actions - In December 2008, Christmas rebels killed about 400 !!! civilians in DR Congo.
      February 17, 2009 GAS militants broke into the village and killed almost all the inhabitants. Within two months, the militants killed about 900 !!! man in DRC.
  36. Ulysses
    Ulysses 24 September 2013 11: 54
    +4
    Inhumans are hiding behind Islam.
    Crush like bedbugs.
    Therapy will not help here.
  37. Samy
    Samy 24 September 2013 12: 01
    0
    Quote: Ulysses
    Inhumans are hiding behind Islam.
    Crush like bedbugs.
    Therapy will not help here.


    And this is true.
  38. reality
    reality 24 September 2013 12: 04
    +1
    People (hostages and visitors) died. Real people, with their families, fears and hopes. In order for CNN to make a colorful story, with constant live inclusions, a running line, interruption of films for the sake of yet another terrorist attack. It is necessary to distract the voter from failure on the Syrian front. And even staged fabricated stories are even tired of Americans, we need real ones, with real blood.

    Evgeny_Lev Yes, this Yakovina is not real, that syllable is much purebred, he writes extremely cynically. Although ... the super troll should be able to disguise itself to lull vigilance)))
  39. 31231
    31231 24 September 2013 12: 29
    0
    Bandits and criminals have no nationality or religion. They are just scumbags who have not read the holy books. The current thugs are led by Qatari, Saudi and Pakistani puppeteers. Most of these terrorists are addicted to drugs. Because of this, few are aware of the realities.
    1. Normal
      Normal 24 September 2013 13: 34
      0
      Quote: 31231
      Bandits and criminals have no nationality or religion.

      Did they tell you this? And if bandits and criminals commit their actions in the name of a particular religion or nation, then what to do?
      The Germans are responsible for the crimes of the Nazis? The Germans have a sense of guilt, and Muslims of the whole world have one answer - they are not Muslims, they are criminals, and there is no sense of guilt for their co-religionists. On the contrary, any act of terrorism committed by the Islamists causes hidden approval or even overt exultation among Muslims. Or I'm wrong?
      1. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu 24 September 2013 14: 22
        +2
        Quote: Normal
        On the contrary, any act of terrorism committed by the Islamists causes hidden approval or even overt exultation among Muslims. Or I'm wrong?

        You are mistaken. Where do you see support and glee among Muslims? Isn’t the Muslims themselves killed in the attacks, look what’s happening in Syria, in Iraq, almost every day there are terrorist attacks, fanatics kill Muslims as well as Christians. Dozens and hundreds of people die there, including women and children, how can one be happy about this ?! On the side of Assad, against the international scum, aren’t Muslims fighting along with Christians? In our Caucasus, local Muslim fighters — Dagestanis, Chechens, Ingushs and others — do not perish in the Caucasus, again shoulder to shoulder with Russian fighters, fighting the same scumbags hiding behind religion. Only frostbitten sick fanatics can rejoice at terrorist attacks and killings of people.
        1. Normal
          Normal 24 September 2013 15: 53
          -1
          Quote: Lakkuchu
          Where do you see support and glee among Muslims?

          Everyone, not just me, saw the jubilation of the Muslims after the fall of the twin towers.
          Here is an example from the discussion;
          Quote: smersh70
          and their boss is still a Christian from the UK .... Yesterday News showed winke

          How do you rate the presence of emoticons in this thread?
          Quote: Lakkuchu
          Isn’t the Muslims themselves killed in the attacks, look what’s happening in Syria, in Iraq, almost every day there are terrorist attacks, fanatics kill Muslims as well as Christians.

          What denomination do the Fanatics belong to? And do not Christians become victims of fanatics just because they are Christians?
          A showdown between adherents of various Islamic movements is not of particular interest to me.
          Quote: Lakkuchu
          In our Caucasus, local Muslim fighters — Dagestanis, Chechens, Ingushs and others — do not perish in the Caucasus, again shoulder to shoulder with the Russian fighters, fighting the same scumbags under the guise of religion.

          In the Caucasus, would local Muslim fighters die in the fight against "scumbags hiding behind religion" if there were no presence of Russian fighters?
          Something I do not remember the broad partisan movement in Chechnya, when there were power fanatics and scumbags.
          Quote: Lakkuchu
          Only frostbitten sick fanatics can rejoice at terrorist attacks and killings of people.
          Who is arguing? Just tell me why such a number of frostbitten sick fanatics stands on the head under the banner of Islam, not under any others?
          Where does all this come from? Whose milk is fed? What ideas are guided by? What are the goals?
          1. Lakkuchu
            Lakkuchu 24 September 2013 17: 21
            0
            If not mistaken, the Palestinians rejoiced, who have their own accounts with the United States. Although neither this nor anything else absolutely justifies their behavior. But .. this is a tiny fraction of a huge number of Muslims. The total number of Muslims is, according to various estimates, from 1,2 billion to 1,57 billion. These are people of different nationalities, cultures, traditions and views. Muslims also live in Russia, but I have not seen or heard of joy or, all the more, glee.
            I am sure that the funny smiley in the comment smersh70 does not mean that the person is happy with what is happening.
            It means to you that the main thing is not to kill the Christians, and let the rest cut each other, but I don’t care who dies, for me, a person’s life is priceless regardless of his nationality, religion, views and so on. I have already noted that they kill everyone who does not share their views.
            In the Caucasus, local people died and die, regardless of whether there are Russian fighters here or not, in Dagestan this struggle has been going on for many years, and the feds were thrown here to help only a few years ago.
            There was opposition to Dudaev in Chechnya and there were repeated clashes and battles between Dudaev’s supporters and their opponents.
            A couple of examples - on March 31, 1992, the opposition made its first major attack against D. Dudaev. In the morning, the armed detachments of the CC of the Air Forces with a total of up to 150 people captured television and radio and demanded the immediate resignation of Dudaev. In the square in front of the government building in support of this speech, a rally was held. Authorities were taken by surprise. Until about noon, the rebels had the opportunity to arrest Dudaev and his entourage, since at that time the authorities did not have sufficient forces to defend the president’s residence.
            After some time, taking advantage of the indecisiveness of the rebels, Dudayev pulled up armed formations loyal to the regime and crushed the rebellion. The television and radio buildings were stormed with the support of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. The organizers and participants of the performance left Grozny and took refuge in the Nadterechny district.
            D. Dudaev announced the search for the organizers of the rebellion: Abdul Bugaev, Abdul Khashiev, Lom-Ali Khatsiev and some others. The listed persons were in the past members of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR.
            November 26, 1993, the shelling and assault of Grozny by opposition groups. Three armed columns entered in Grozny in three directions. Without a fight, a television center was occupied, near which there were three tanks. It was also reported that the Presidential Palace was taken by a detachment of the field commander Ruslan Labazanov who participated in the assault on the opposition side.
            1. Normal
              Normal 24 September 2013 19: 55
              -1
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              the Palestinians were jubilant

              Palestinians, of course, are not Muslims.
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              who have their own accounts with the United States.
              Why do Muslims have their own scores with everyone? Here in Nairobi, too, "their scores" Have not forgotten what the article is about?
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              Muslims also live in Russia, but I have not seen or heard of joy or, all the more, glee.
              Thank God! So radical Islam has not yet mastered enough minds.
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              I am sure that the funny smiley in the comment smersh70 does not mean that the person is happy with what is happening.

              Of course! Smiley talks about sadness and sorrow.
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              I have already noted that they kill everyone who does not share their views.
              Once again: what denominations are those who kill all those who do not adhere to their views?
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              In the Caucasus, local people died and die, regardless of whether there are Russian soldiers here or not, in Dagestan this struggle has been going on for many years

              Here you are absolutely right. They always cut each other in the Caucasus, but with the advent of Russians to the Caucasus, it became a little harder to do
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              There was opposition to Dudaev in Chechnya and there were repeated clashes and battles between Dudaev’s supporters and their opponents.

              Yes I remember. There was a power struggle. You could say a civil war. It is possible that both of them had support in Russia. But after the final victory of Dudaev and the establishment of a gangster-robber economy, which was covered by Islam, there was no guerrilla war against the regime. On the contrary, from all over the Islamic world there was a recharge of money and human resources.
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              To the question from the fact that there are no Christian terrorist organizations. Yes, and no less cruel. Here is one of the most brutal - "Lord's Resistance Army" (LRA). In 1987, Ugandan pastor Joseph Koni declared himself the embodiment of the Holy Spirit and founded in northern Uganda, in the Acholi tribal region, a movement aimed at overthrowing the government in Kampala (the capital of Uganda) and creating a theocratic state based on biblical commandments.

              Both on! Negro in jo .... Sorry, in Africa, in the north of Uganda had to climb to find a "Christian terrorist organization" It must be understood that in other Christian countries immediately announced a fundraising and recruitment of volunteers to help Ugandan Christian terrorists? "Lord's Resistance Army" launched a struggle against "infidels" on all continents?
              As the negro Hercules shouted in the 15-year-old captain: "This is not America! This is Africa !!!" In Africa, specifically in Rwanda
              ..... According to various sources, the number of those killed in 100 days ranged from 500 to 000 people, of which about 1% were Hutus ......
              ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruanda Genocide ..

              And no confessional terrorists
              Sorry, but the example does not justify Islamic terrorism.
              1. Lakkuchu
                Lakkuchu 24 September 2013 21: 36
                +2
                Quote: Normal
                Sorry, but the example does not justify Islamic terrorism.

                I gave this example not to justify terrorism, I think you understand this. Terrorism cannot be justified. This was a response to allegations that Christian terrorists do not exist. It doesn’t matter in Africa or in Ireland (IRA), but the fact is that they are also hiding behind the name of God and the Bible.
                1. Lakkuchu
                  Lakkuchu 24 September 2013 21: 47
                  +2
                  And more ... Two of the most terrible wars in the history of mankind, in which tens of millions of people died, were unleashed by civilized, highly cultured, Christian countries. The atomic bombings of Japanese cities were staged by the "beacon of democracy" America, a Christian country. Vietnam was also burned with napalm by non-Muslims.
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 24 September 2013 21: 58
                0
                Quote: Normal
                Of course! Smiley talks about sadness and sorrow.


                Friend! Smiley was aimed at the fact that at first all comments were directed at the nationality of the terrorists, but here it turned out, all the same, the leader of these terrorists is still a Christian and a Christian citizen in most of the state. The smiley only meant Irony. ... hi I often write here with irony or in a joking manner .. because mostly komenty are angry and angry ...
      2. 31231
        31231 24 September 2013 20: 58
        +2
        After the Crusades and the carving of the Huguenots, no one says that Christianity is a radical faith.
        The problem is not in Islam, but in the fact that a lot of poorly educated people profess it. Hence a large number of radicals.
        1. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu 24 September 2013 21: 18
          +2
          You are absolutely right. A lot of ignorant, poorly educated people and a large percentage of youth in the population of these countries. And young people give in to various influences faster.
        2. Normal
          Normal 24 September 2013 21: 33
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          After the Crusades and the carving of the Huguenots, no one says that Christianity is a radical faith.

          Well, they remembered the Crusades. True, for some reason, when they remember the Crusades (the first in 1096), the Arabs bashfully conceal the conquest of the Iberian Peninsula in 711-718 and when they blame the Jews for all the troubles, they forget about their role in that conquest.
          Cutting out the Huguenots - inside Christian strife, they have nothing to do with confessional terrorism.
          Quote: 31231
          The problem is not in Islam, but in the fact that a lot of poorly educated people profess it. Hence a large number of radicals.

          Quite possible. But highly educated Muslims are always on their side. And even in extreme cases, when it is no longer possible to deny the bestial nature of radical Islamism, they make a "knight's move"; they say they are not Muslims at all, but some unidentified and non-confessional scumbags. But radical Islam exists and as soon as such an opportunity presents itself, moderate Islam will be destroyed. And no merits of moderate Muslims in the protection and whitewashing of Islamic terrorists will be taken into account.
          1. 31231
            31231 24 September 2013 23: 06
            +1
            But highly educated Muslims are always on their side.


            Local Azerbaijanis and Kazakhs will not agree with you. And me too.
            Because I, as a Russian baptized person in the Bendera war against the Crimean Tatars, will not support the Svidomites, because they are Orthodox.
            In an adult and an educated person, universal laws are higher than religion.
        3. alone
          alone 24 September 2013 21: 47
          +2
          Quote: 31231
          The problem is not in Islam, but in the fact that a lot of poorly educated people profess it. Hence a large number of radicals.


          true, low-educated people are easier to recruit.
        4. In the reeds
          In the reeds 24 September 2013 23: 05
          -1
          It was very radical at that time. But I got sick, like everyone else. The trouble is that "these" are sick now and in a more wild form. It's sad but none of them will say STOP, or maybe we are doing something wrong. Good luck, guys. Interesting times await us
      3. alone
        alone 24 September 2013 21: 45
        +2
        Quote: Normal
        And if bandits and criminals commit their actions in the name of a particular religion or nation, then what to do?


        they commit crimes and hide behind religion.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 24 September 2013 22: 10
          +3
          Met on the site "Narmalny" with "Lonely" laughing If you do not remember the crusades, another example I live in the south of Kazakhstan in May microdistrict over the past year there were 10 explosions there several people were injured and that it turned out the guys decided to play in the brigade and remember the dashing 90, these guys are Orthodox Slavs, and now we need everywhere screaming about Orthodox terrorism. We decided that the bandits have no nationality and religion, but as a lonely one writes, they can hide behind religion. Muslims here on the site write not all Muslim terrorists and not all Muslim terrorists, and you are "normal" what do you want to hear?
          1. Normal
            Normal 24 September 2013 22: 40
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            .Muslims here on the site write not all Muslim terrorists and not all Muslim terrorists, and you are "normal" what do you want to hear?

            Well, in my opinion it's time to end the discussion. What do I want to hear? I want to hear the recognition of Muslim terrorists by Muslims. I want to hear that the Islamists are engaged in terror, and not justification of Muslims of their co-religionists. I want the recognition of the obvious. I want something unrealizable and inconceivable, because in 999 out of 1000 answers I hear from Muslims either an attempt to impose my will and point of view on me, or an attempt to deceive me, to divorce me.
            Do not impose or dilute. Even if this need was brought up in a thousand generations before you.
            Until you understand that the Russians themselves value what they see and do not need dictates, interpretations and imposition of opinions on the part of Muslims, there will be no peace between us. The trouble is that you only understand power. Only when a Russian soldier is stronger than yours do you recognize the rights of Russians. You give us no other choice but to show you the power of Russian weapons again. Do you need this?
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 24 September 2013 23: 11
              0
              Quote: Normal
              Quote: Semurg
              .Muslims here on the site write not all Muslim terrorists and not all Muslim terrorists, and you are "normal" what do you want to hear?

              Well, in my opinion it's time to end the discussion. What do I want to hear? I want to hear the recognition of Muslim terrorists by Muslims. I want to hear that the Islamists are engaged in terror, and not justification of Muslims of their co-religionists. I want the recognition of the obvious. I want something unrealizable and inconceivable, because in 999 out of 1000 answers I hear from Muslims either an attempt to impose my will and point of view on me, or an attempt to deceive me, to divorce me.
              Do not impose or dilute. Even if this need was brought up in a thousand generations before you.
              Until you understand that the Russians themselves value what they see and do not need dictates, interpretations and imposition of opinions on the part of Muslims, there will be no peace between us. The trouble is that you only understand power. Only when a Russian soldier is stronger than yours do you recognize the rights of Russians. You give us no other choice but to show you the power of Russian weapons again. Do you need this?

              Muslim terrorists are recognized as Muslims (taftology). Some terrorists consider themselves Muslims and believe that they are doing a charitable deed (in their understanding), Muslims on this site condemn them and write that they are not doing a charitable deed (do you need this recognition?). Your views will remain no one encroaches upon you. The trouble is that your phobia (hatred) leads you to the conclusion that you need to crush everyone who is at least somehow different from you in skin color, religion or language. A dirty business is not necessary and it is not necessary urge to solve your problems. Do you need this?
              1. Lakkuchu
                Lakkuchu 24 September 2013 23: 20
                +1
                Quote: Semurg
                Your views will remain with you, no one will encroach on them. The trouble is that your phobia (hatred) leads you to the conclusion that it is necessary to crush everyone who is at least somehow different from you in color, religion or language. It’s a dirty business and don't call her to solve your problems

                Well said, to the core. I’ll add on my own - no need to scare anyone, this is stupid.
  40. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 24 September 2013 12: 33
    +3
    Even in ancient times, the Anglo-Saxons loved to organize crusades .. We in Russia also fought off the crusaders (thank God they drowned them in Lake Peipsi and then beat them on the ridge ..) Now again the same thing is only in the sophisticated form of a "controlled house". TV heard that Catholic monks were already allowed to have sex (which they did not say, but I think it is clear ..) __ There is an attack on the remnants of spiritual values ​​in the world .. (material has already been captured ..)
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 13: 10
      -1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Catholic monks were already allowed to have sex



      and to the nuns ...... wassat
  41. Echo
    Echo 24 September 2013 12: 35
    0
    Quote: Skarte
    These uro knew that they were going to die, so that didn’t scare them

    So they need to be executed in such a way that they are scared. Slowly and sadly, by the ancient Chinese techniques, accompanied by pushing lard and pig's blood down the throat. So that everything is in the best traditions of alla-i-in-bar.
  42. George
    George 24 September 2013 12: 41
    +2
    Hello everyone .
    The United States, the UN and the Western “international community” generally condemn Islamist terrorists in Kenya in a friendly choir, they actually support them in Syria ...

    People read wondering "Who benefits?"
    This, in my opinion, has long been known.
  43. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 September 2013 12: 43
    +1
    Dogs, they are dogs.
    Here is their next bestial grin.
    Where next time they will conquer?
  44. Fastblast
    Fastblast 24 September 2013 12: 54
    +2
    What vile and nasty these jihadists are, not people and animals, but ghouls in human form,
    and those who govern them are even worse and will burn in hell.
    1. antifa-antira
      antifa-antira 24 September 2013 17: 23
      -3
      My friend is not jihad. While jihad is not announced. They are puppets of the CIA and Massad and may be partially FSB
  45. Agent 008
    Agent 008 24 September 2013 13: 14
    +3
    A quote from the article: "While the United States, the United Nations, and the Western" international community "in general, condemn the Islamist terrorists in Kenya in unison, they actually support THEM in Syria ..." There is nothing to add, right to the point!
  46. shark
    shark 24 September 2013 13: 17
    +3
    Islamic obscurantists cross every conceivable border. He has always argued that Islam (as a religion) has nothing to do with terrorism. But thoughts begin to appear that if "kind and peaceful" Islam cannot stop this wave of madness, then either it does not control its adherents, or it is beneficial to him. These croaking shouts of "Allah Akhbar" are already sick of them. Because this is not a glorification of the property of Allah, but because they portend a meeting with wild, uneducated and narrow-minded people. And can we call people people who kill with ease children ???? And if the world were not infected with the madness of global tolerance, then it would be necessary to give a terrible and tough answer to these obscurantists. But alas, the world is ruled by America, which is relatively comfortable living on a separate continent.
  47. michajlo
    michajlo 24 September 2013 13: 47
    +1
    Good day to all!

    This is not the last terrorist attack against "peaceful visitors, guests, etc." negative

    Somehow, everything does not fit, a friend of all the "oppressed" USA and a fighter "against Al-Qaida" / except for HER SUPPORT in Syria, could not / did not want to prevent this ?!

    I will not be surprised when in 20-30 years it will come out that Al-Qaeda is "not the former" and "just beaten off" the CIA group, its PERMANENT COMBAT UNIT in the Muslim world (since 1979). hi

    However, we are a complete answer to a simple question: "who benefits from it"! and especially now "hot on the trail" - we will not get it.
    I suppose that in a week or two there will be new news, or there will be "complete quiet" / ie. "customers" or "advisers" - all "cleaned up" and living witnesses - no longer !?
  48. Yeraz
    Yeraz 24 September 2013 14: 01
    +6
    Again, Islam and evil Muslims))) Well, we don’t get used to let them think that they want and become funnier, and the new version of the popular game Gta 5 made a mission to kill the Azerbaijanian mafiosi, haha ​​Russia is not the limit there, we are also bandits))))
    And in the new version of the game, Baltfield 4, the first mission to Baku, they say Azerbaijan is a terrorist country and terrorists are running in the center of Baku, and the funniest thing they say to each other in RUSSIAN !!! haha ​​here are all the emotions, considering how the amers are infected with the games and heard about Azerbaijan very well a small circle of people, now they will hear a larger circle of people, but in the image of terrorists and mafiosi)))
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 14: 20
      +3
      Quote: Yeraz
      the funniest thing they say among themselves in RUSSIAN!


      so this is good) this is the answer to many politicians, like Zhirinovsky and Zatulin, screaming about the oppression of the Russian language !! here is a good example that we do not have this problem !!!!!!!!
      Quote: Yeraz
      did the mission kill the azerbaijani mafiosi

      as Goebbels said., it seems .. if there is no enemy, so come up with it laughing
      Quote: Yeraz
      first mission in Baku

      ..but still, the policy of knowing our country is paying off)))))) such advertising is also advertising !!!!!!! and in the 90s only our neighbors were advertised)))))))) )))
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 24 September 2013 14: 40
      +6
      the main thing is that negative public opinion about Azerbaijan would not develop on the basis of these games. Or they will play, play, and then decide that you have something not enough democracy and the mafia is in power.?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 24 September 2013 14: 46
        +4
        [quote = semurg] the main thing is that on the basis of these games there wouldn’t be a negative public opinion about Azerbaijan. Or they will play, play and then decide that you have something not enough democracy and the mafia’s power.? [/ quotenegative opinion develops in our country, as soon as a European or American sees a crescent moon with a star on our flag))) Well, our democracy is really not enough, and they don’t sit on the authorities, but they must understand in the East that democracy cannot be instilled in the West, I don’t agree with what is happening right now, but also democracy in Europe th ponisanii do not want to, it's anarchy.
  49. rruvimbenrafail
    rruvimbenrafail 24 September 2013 14: 20
    +3
    Something a lot of real estate objects in high-profile terrorist attacks in recent years belong to the Israelis. Although the buildings of the shopping center in New York belonged to the Saudis, the premises were rented by Israeli companies. In Mumbai, a shopping center also belonged to Jews. In the case of the "towers", employees of Israeli firms did not come to work, and third-party tenants suffered. In India, the secret services could not contact the owners of the shopping center, the Jews, for two days. But in the case of the "towers," the Iraqi issue was resolved, and in the case of Nairobi, the Somali issue would also be resolved. For the operation in Somalia "prokokonkun" by the American special forces, it is possible and revenge. The main thing is that the Syrian trail is not found.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 14: 27
      +2
      Quote: rruvimbenrafail
      There are a lot of real estate objects in resonant terrorist attacks lately owned by the Israelis


      here is the version !!!!!!! good
    2. alone
      alone 24 September 2013 21: 51
      +1
      maybe instead of Syria, the amers decided to hit Somalia. axes must be used up. otherwise it costs a lot of money to dispose of
  50. Tolerant
    Tolerant 24 September 2013 14: 52
    +2
    I don’t know if they will understand me correctly or not, but in any case I’ll say: Islam is perfect, Muslims are not! Please distinguish this ...