13 variants of the emblem "Army of Russia" from the Ministry of Defense, or Artistic Climax

The main military department of the country is preparing a truly epochal innovation. Why epochal? Because it concerns the new symbols of the Russian army, namely, those signs and symbols that the world will see on the form of Russian military personnel, on the wings and sides of Russian military equipment. The idea of ​​creating new symbols for a new army seems to be based on quite the right things: a new army, which means that the distinctive signs can be changed according to the new status. But only the ways to solve this serious issue by the Ministry of Defense, to put it mildly, are surprising. However, first things first.

Last week, a meeting of the Public Council at the Ministry of Defense was held in the hall of the Cultural Center of the RF Armed Forces. Sergei Shoigu at a large table gathered scientists, culture, art; there were famous singers, war correspondents, former athletes, politicians and high-ranking military personnel. The main part of the meeting was devoted to attracting contract servicemen to the army, new military uniforms, measures to popularize military service, the need to increase the number of youth military-patriotic clubs in the country. However, as it turned out, the Minister of Defense is the main thing in store for the final stage of the meeting. 13 samples of the new symbols of the Russian army were presented to those gathered, each of whom had to choose the ones that seemed to him the most suitable. Before distributing printouts, artists, musicians and others anticipated the graphic extravaganza and the abundance of dissimilar emblems that corresponded to certain military traditions. But what they saw led the majority of those gathered in a real stupor.

A piece of paper appeared in front of them, on which something was depicted ... Moreover, it was announced to everyone that one option would win out of the "something" presented, and you need to choose and approve it before the beginning of October ... No, well, about the shock deadlines for making decisions knew. Our country is traditionally glorious for this ... By the next anniversary of the Komsomol, to the anniversaries of the revolution, it was a business, they built, handed, handed over, accepted ... And now they try to hand over something timidly, but only military symbols these are not like Olympic facilities, not a cosmodrome, not new houses and apartments, which need more than urgent provision to flood victims in the Amur region ... Why such a hurry? Why exactly before the beginning of October, and not at all until the end of this week? .. What kind of monumental holiday is going to celebrate the Ministry of Defense in October, which does not allow us to devote more time to the proposal and discussion of new military symbols. Isn't it the seventh of October that everyone cares so much? ..

So back to the proposed ministerial "specialists in graphics" options for the emblems of the Russian army. Readers have already managed to look at these "spotlights" and, probably, appreciated them at their true worth ... If it seemed to someone that all these symbols were derivatives of one, and one directly connected with some other army (with which, most readers also guessed ...), then you are not alone with your suspicions. A well-known singer Sergei Mazaev, who was present at the meeting of the Public Council, also noticed that the emblems with stars in circles resemble American ones, which Sergey Shoigu reported. At the same time, Mazaev offered the services of a familiar artist who, in his words, can draw a quote: “a good emblem”. It was a clear unveiled hint that all the presented emblems can be classified as a sort of guano ...

Sergey Shoigu responded to the proposal of the singer in a peculiar way. The head of the military department said that the Ministry of Defense will consider a quote, “one more thing,” but only if this artist draws it quickly. This is where it came up: until the end of September - the beginning of October ... Like, where are they, if there are already thirteen of them! By the way, what a wonderful number for such a significant undertaking is thirteen ...

If even a quick run through the emblems that the unknown depicted (thank God, for himself, that his name remained unknown) is an artist, certain analogies emerge. Well, the stars in the circles - this is an indisputable copy-paste from the American "partners" from the Air Force. And the emblem numbered 8 is what? Army "Star Factory", or what? .. And the first seven options - this is a simple copy of the logo "US Army". And the red star is still “something” and “somehow”, but the blue-and-blue star is what it is all about? .. It is also surprising that the unknown maestro didn’t portray the star against the rainbow flag as an option ...

By the way, this is a selection of graphical analogies that should be demonstrated to the main military department, that maybe you don’t need to hurry with such an important issue, which, maybe, you should still entrust this work to people who are really able to create high-quality The final "product" for which will not be ashamed. After all, the emblem is selected for the Russian army, and not for some shop of amateur plagiarists ...

Comments

[Rus_87]

Wouldn't touch the emblems. Red stars on the wings and sides of our vehicles speak for themselves who is who, and without this pretentious phrase "ARMY OF RUSSIA"

[OTTO]

Quote: Rus_87

without this pretentious phrase "ARMY OF RUSSIA"

For whom, in general, this inscription for their own so as not to be forgotten, or for enemies? So for them you need to write not in Russian.
But seriously, the image on the heraldic signs of the inscriptions, except for the mottos, is bad form. If the emblem is not recognizable without a signature, then what is the emo for the emblem?

[Rus_87]

I absolutely agree with you, +!

[erg]

I’ll clarify a bit. Inscriptions in the arms are not allowed. In ordinary emblems it is possible, even if they are created with elements of the coat of arms. And so you are right, the emblem must be recognizable and defined, in this case as an identification mark (we are talking about it) of the RF Armed Forces.

[Basileus]

And the mottos? How on the same Spanish coat of arms?

[erg]

Motto, an integral part of the coat of arms, but not mandatory. He did not fit in the shield, only outside. In addition, the mottos were often in the form of images, rather than inscriptions. The motto in the English coat of arms is in the form of a two-color rose (scarlet and red). Spanish heraldry really has a peculiarity - inscription in the shield field is allowed in it. But usually a religious sense. Saying from the Holy Scripture. But this is an exception to the rule.

[sens99.ru]

I agree with Rus and OTTO. Generally let the stars leave!

[vladimirZ]

Well, really reformed, these reformers!
Do they not FIG, or what? They have itchy dirty hands to make another muck.
All the while waiting for what new "reform" they will throw out in order to weaken and belittle Russia.

[Deniska]

Guys this is another saw;))

You know whether it is a WWII soldier or a photo of an armored personnel carrier from Agan, I know everything by the red star to whom it belongs and for whom it is fighting.

[Fin]

Quote: vladimirZ

Do they not FIG, or what?

When the boss surpasses the level of his competence, he begins to come up with all kinds of nonsense and issues this as the only correct and wise decision.
More and more toys, ryushechoks, baubles are hung on the v / c ... It is evident to him that in childhood they did not dress up a Christmas tree on NG.

[edge]

Quote: Fin

Do they not FIG, or what?

the red star is a symbol of our army, and tomorrow the Chinas will start yelling that they took Berlin; we see the options for replacing historical facts. Let's think about the future now: they with their .... sought to cling to Russian glory, and now seek to knock out the memory of who freed whom

[Max_Bauder]

There is no limit to such insanity.
I recently talked with a Chinese from Chongqing province (in the depths of China, hell knows where). Here he is sure that due to the fact that Munke Khan died in 1243 during the conquest of China, Batu stopped his campaign to the west, and it was like this that the Chinese saved the world (Europe) from the ruin of the Mongols.

PySy. And also some Japanese people (young carduelis) think that in the 1945m a bomb was thrown at two cities by their councils. =)

[4952915]

I will clarify about the Japanese. The fact is that their textbooks literally say that the atomic bomb was dropped by "the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition." It seems to be correct, but they do not specify who exactly))) Without thinking much, and knowing who is appointed by the "evil empire", no one in Japan doubts)))

In fact - emblems, of course, the pervert painted. Sadly, I had a better opinion about Shoigu.

[Spectrum]

absolutely, if they want to do something right then let it be done by a professional and not a secretary in paint in half an hour, these 13 are as ridiculous as this can be, what’s next, maybe a nesting doll with a balalaika?

[soldat1945]

No, it’s just Sergei Kozhugetovich, the pagan, and he gave us colored rags to scare away evil spirits!

[evgenii67]

Hello everyone! Deb..lism grows stronger, really artistic climax! Give the children something to draw, I think it will turn out to be more beautiful, this is the way and applies to AvtoVAZ. P.S. appeal to reformers - obsolete equipment which is better to change for 20-30 years, preferably in a ratio of 1 to 1

[es.d]

quote = evgenii67] this is the way and applies to AvtoVAZ. [/ quote]
It would seem, what does the Netherlands company AvtoVAZ have to do with the British chief designer
These people are tired, they will cancel the Anthem, they will return ... they will cancel the stars, they will return ... they will cancel the winter time, they will return ... We all think about Ukraine, but they also have something to sneeze about. Crowds in warm places and, every shit just gush with ideas. The larger the gap between the real value of labor and pay, the more itches.

[SPLV]

Children's drawing and AvtoVAZ are from Ruslan Bely. It is safer to use quotation marks so that no one can think about plagiarism. But the idea itself is correct. I’m only afraid that the current generation of children just painted, having no idea about historical symbolism God save our mind and the mind of our children ...

[Airman]

The reformist "itch" does not subside, everyone wants to leave behind something new, each defense minister changes shape, and Shoigu wanted to change the symbolism as well. Leave everything as before, the army has won so many victories under these stars!

[Scoun]

Quote: Povshnik

Reformed "itch"

so, in addition to the "reformatory" itch, the author correctly noticed and about the "artistic climax" already at the stage of viewing the association with ...

Here, by the way, is a selection of graphic analogies,

Maybe they will soon draw an "eye with rays" on the ruble? )))

[sergius60]

Do not worry, we have already depicted the "all-seeing eye" on 500 hryvnias in Hoh-Lilya. When I first saw it, I was stunned. Now, of course, any quirks of "Kiev Squares" are not surprising. Now we will become "gayropeans". With what you can "congratulate" us.
http://dengi.ua/news/12561_Na_kupyure_500_griven_izobrazhen_masonskij_znak_foto.


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[Corrint_25]

Congratulations on your high status "gay European" , and as I was Ukrainian, I will remain so

[erg]

It's funny, but you know that the "all-seeing eye" was depicted on medals in tsarist Russia in honor of the victory in the war of 1812. And in Russia it has always been associated with the symbol of God. So it is not known who played a monkey with whom.

[OTTO]

Quote: erg

the "all-seeing eye" was depicted on medals in tsarist Russia in honor of the victory in the war of 1812.

Not only on this one, I have a great-grandfather's medal for the Russian-Japanese one, she also has an "eye"

[ROA]

Under the old Russian banners, there were much more victories.

[DEfindER]

Quote: ROA

Under the old Russian banners, there were much more victories.

It is not a matter of quantity but of the significance of victory, what the Soviet people won will overshadow any war of the past.

[EwgenyZ]

Well, let's say, the Borodino battle can hardly be called a "war", and there, after all, the fate of Russia was decided. You can also cite a couple of such "wars". So "weigh" what you say. In general, I am in favor of the red star both on airplanes and on other equipment, I greatly distorted the appearance of a star with a "blue edging". The red star is one of the symbols of Victory in that terrible war, and it is not a superfluous reminder to the nasty who they are dealing with.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

so under the scarlet banner of victories there were many and their significance was great

[DEfindER]

Quote: Povshnik

Leave everything as it was, under these stars the army won so many victories!

I completely agree, I consider it blasphemy to change such symbols that, thanks to the courage and heroism of our people, are recognizable all over the world!
Everything has already been destroyed, leave at least something worthy of the past!

[self-propelled]

Quote: Rus_87

Wouldn’t touch the emblems

"it would be funny if it weren't so sad"
such "innovations" cause nothing but bewilderment!
Interestingly, MO has nowhere else to put the money? why such a "rebranding"?
what red stars do not like? how many glorious victories were under these stars!

[erg]

The most interesting thing is that red stars with a gold border (something like they describe them in heraldic language) are present on the banner of the sun. Why they can not be left in this form as an identification mark. As an option - in a shield of red color, red with a gold border is a five-pointed star. It is fully consistent with Russian military tradition. Stars in general, with a different number of rays, very often were present on Russian banners (which themselves were often red) back in the pre-Petrine era. The five-pointed red star has been almost a hundred years old, as an established symbol of our army and our victories. And gold and red colors are also the modern arms of Russia. And emblems in the Russian army were always made on the basis of emblems (state and territorial).

[dmitrijbyko]

I fully support. As an option, I can offer to add a shield: St. George Ribbon. And (or) St. George the Victorious on the star field

[kris]

Quote: Rus_87

Wouldn't touch the emblems. Red stars on the wings and sides of our vehicles speak for themselves who is who, and without this pretentious phrase "ARMY OF RUSSIA"

cut dough continues.

[Jin]

Yes ... So soon the Bear will be redrawn for the eaglet ...

[Gur]

Red stars no longer correspond to the spirit of the times, or rather the political system. Red stars are a symbol of the workers 'and peasants' people's army, alas, we no longer have workers and non-peasants, some of the owners are the remaining staff. Here for this staff and change emblems. The same as renaming the police to the police. People’s militia to maintain order, and law enforcement agencies supporting the peaceful life of the haves.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: GUR

Red stars no longer fit the spirit of the times

then you need to change the spirit of the time

[Gur]

I repeat once again Alas! It remains to hope that history really develops in a spiral, maybe people will come to a situation again when the lower classes do not want and the upper circles cannot. Maybe when the people eat up this liberal democratic freedom and decide to change something. Now this is not quite realistic yet. And few people need it all the more in the form that was 17m, but I do not see another option. Voluntarily stolen, no one will give, and voluntarily no one will turn their face to the people. So minus)) and I said everything as it is (about the star, and the red banner, too, do not forget, because it is also gradually being replaced with a tricolor flag for trading fleet approved by Peter 1, traders and flag merchant)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: GUR

Red flag

the history of the red banner goes long before Peter's, and even more so, communist times

[Gur]

Is it interesting that we only know or who else? Something this argument did not seem EBN and his gang convincing. And now what proudly flies over Moscow? the same thing with the stars on the Kremlin towers, when they were exchanged for eagles that the people did not yell like that?

[erg]

The stars on the Kremlin towers remained.

[erg]

The tricolor was not approved as a trade flag, but as a flag hoisted on a ship (any) to indicate its nationality. The tricolor was also included in the emblem of a military uniform (in the form of a three-color officer scarf) which, well, could not be associated with trading. But for Russia, from ancient times, polyphony is characteristic (if I may say so). That is, the absence of a single symbol in the form of a flag and the presence of many flags and banners, which are very different from each other. In fact, for each case - its own flag. Therefore, soon after the tricolor, others appeared, which in certain cases became a replacement for the tricolor (the Andreev flag on the warships, determined the belonging to the Russian Navy). Tricolor became really associated with the merchant fleet. But only in Russia, since abroad it was still considered the national flag of Russia. The tricolor began to acquire a national character in the mid-19th century, when the Balkan peoples, during their struggle against Turkish rule, began to accept their tricolors of Russian colors (but differently located), thereby emphasizing unity with their co-religionists. This was reflected in the perception of the flag in Russia itself. He gradually began to be considered a national symbol. And white-black-yellow, that is, the coat of arms introduced by the German Köhne, remained historical absurdity.

[wax]

Yeah. The spirit of the times is rotten.

[lelikas]

You can leave such-

[EtickayaSila]

You would be right, if you hadn’t been mistaken ... The Red Star is no longer just an emblem of the Red Army, it is a symbol of the GREAT victory won by the GREAT army in the GREAT WAR! I think that our contemporaries, at the sight of it, have less associations with workers and peasants, and more with a banner over the Reichstag.
In my opinion (I live in Belarus), the red star is worthy of respect and the only currently possible symbol of the Russian army. As an option - adding tricolor .... for example ...

[ziqzaq]

Quote: GUR

Red stars no longer fit the spirit of the times

The spirit of the times? .... Rather, it’s a smell, especially in the west, and what does the vile .......

[EwgenyZ]

Well, for example, gay "parades" correspond to the "spirit of the times", why should we rush to buy rainbow flags on the "parade ground"?

[mr.Man]

Quote: GUR

Red stars no longer correspond to the spirit of the times ...

Do not touch!

[Gur]

Is that you to me?))) You will leave it in your homeland in Latvia and tell your SS men. But I don’t need to agitate, I’m SOVIET to the tips of the nails. And I don’t understand the minuses in my direction (I should go by the minuses), I don’t understand whether people really understand what is happening. When the country is still no nat. reconciliation when there is no common unifying policy and goal. When some symbols and heroes are replaced by others, when white has turned black (or red white as you like) and as a result it is not possible to combine incongruous symbols of tsarism (and now it is liberal democratic) and symbols of communism, they are not combined in one bottle. It’s not possible to come up with a flag, coat of arms and symbols that would reflect the mood and the real state of affairs in today's Russia without a common idea and purpose, and we are squeezing out such masterpieces from ourselves.

[aleks77]

Hands off the red star! The sky, the rainbow, has already been ruined by now reaching for the star.
Maybe it's a duck?
And another link to the topic but there is a perfectly sane situation
http://dokwar.ru/publ/vooruzhenie/aviacija_i_flot/krasnye_zvjozdy_vernutsja_na_k
rylja / 15-1-0-637

[honest jew]

Shoigu sent Cossack !!! If no one else knows. This is our man !!!

[Alexander Petrovich]

Quote: Honest Jew

This is our man !!!

Whose is "our"?

[German]

I am not an anti-Semite, but the nickname "honest Jew" gave me a reason to smile! ... something from the series: "kosher bacon" .....

[edge]

Quote: Rus_87

We wouldn’t touch the emblems. Red stars on the wings and sides of our technology speak for themselves who is who

let the Chinas change their symbolism, they can’t live without us. A great power, contrary to all, retains its attributes, or, what will freaks bow to?

[Max_Bauder]

I agree, they would have left the red star, everyone will definitely remember and know it.

For example a dialogue.
German (or Amerovsky) adult granddaughter:
- Grandfather, yesterday our saw along the borders an unknown plane (ship)
- was there a red star on board?
- Yes
- I know these, my father also told me which World War II passed, they are evil warriors, stay away from them! =)

[Walking]

It feels like everything is already fine in the army, all problems have been resolved; all that remains is to think up an emblem.

[AndreyAB]

The Grachev-Serdyukov case lives ... Besides the emblem, there is nothing to reorganize? Judah Serdyukov for many years has provided reform after himself and spend money on replacing nameplates and stickers to her from the evil one.

[v.lyamkin]

As the next step of the reform, I would suggest attaching a new emblem to the cap of the cap, and, therefore, transforming the cap from the airfield into an aircraft carrier.

[MREDBEST]

I do not want to write inscriptions with regards to Russia, we are not only producing equipment for ourselves, but also for export! And suddenly it will fall into the hands of some sort of terrorists, as it will not be very beautiful)))
The icons are certainly not a "fountain", as pure plagiarism! I think we are able to come up with something more interesting, and not some kind of "Chinese fakes"!

[Letterksi]

The "Army of Russia" legs also grow from the US Army. Some kind of mockery. And before October, this is to quickly accept and approve. This is generally the final!

[recon74]

Fully agree with you.

[Siberian German]

yes they don’t have towers to the devil’s mother or something that they have no other problems - with our stars on the cap with earflaps and on technology, our grandfathers smashed the fascist evil spirits and they are lit by their blood, which then drew them

[Marek Rozny]

I understand the desire to make a new character based on the old. But this Americanism does not climb into any gates.
After all, you can update the sign without imitation! For example, a symbol of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan - they combined both the red-star tradition and the new realities.

[ekzorsist]

You are right ... and what does not suit the established Soviet symbolism ?!
After all, more than one generation had to fight her and for her repeatedly ... and there were quite a few bloodshots ...

[Canep]

5th, 10-13th are unacceptable, they look too much like American ones. 4th looks best, but also not that.
Question: What is the problem with modern symbolism, that they want to change it.

[Ivan79]

Not acceptable at all. Who developed it - on the soap. For a star factory, yes, that’s it. But not for the emblem of the Russian Army.

[Stiletto]

For me, this is how it is necessary to first declare a contest in the army for the best demobilization album, and only to give the winner a contract for the development of official symbols of the Republic of Armenia. Those who drew this misery, that in the picture to the text, have neither mind nor imagination.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Stiletto I think your proposal is the most acceptable! And to the assessment of the draftsmen I would also add that they have no conscience!

[Ascetic]

Quote: Ivan79

Who developed it - on the soap.

The authors of these masterpieces of creative thought are figures Voeninform agencies.(ARIO of the chief Borovik Andrey Vilenovich, head of the planning and marketing department Anashkov Pavel Aleksandrovich). I can even give a contact phone number for everyone to speak in an appropriate form about these pro-products (maybe someone could get through to me yet) [phone]

The Voeninform agency is a state organization. All funds received from the sale of our products go exclusively to new advertising projects only in the interests of the Russian Armed Forces.

Taken from the official site of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
The fruits of the work of these figures, except as a creative mockery of the army in the spirit of Russia's most ardent haters, cannot be called otherwise.

[Ascetic]

Here is another masterpiece of these figures, which cannot be called a mockery of the army. Contract Poster Advertising Poster “Become one of us!”(on the picture)
Here is another disgusting "masterpiece" -installation near the Central Museum of the Armed Forces in Moscow for Victory Day Something similar to trees was made from punched soldiers' helmets and painted with blue and pink paint
video here

Yes, comrade Stalin must have sent the children with shepherds, who would intelligibly explain to them, to those who were terribly far from their country and people (his own?)
the basics of creativity.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Ascetic

The authors of these masterpieces of creative thought are the figures of the Voeninform agency (acting director, Borovik Andrey Vilenovich, head of the planning and marketing department Anashkov Pavel Aleksandrovich). I can even give a contact phone number for everyone to speak in an appropriate form about these pro-products (maybe someone can’t get through to me yet) [phone]

interesting site is also not available
Arbat (Filevskaya line) metro station (179m in the north-west), • Arbat (Arbat-Pokrovskaya line) metro station (244m to C), • Borovitskaya metro station (337м на В), • Library named after Lenin metro station (416m on NE), • Kropotkinskaya metro station (562m to the southeast), • Alexander Garden st.m. (584m on NE)
[phone] Attendant
[phone]
http://www.voeninform.mil.ru

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

These stupid ... kov, stools from his probably picked up ...

[Passer]

It seems that the design was created so that if tomorrow is war, the amers get confused, where are ours and where are ours.

[woker]

so bad, which corresponds to our rich traditions, there will be time to look at the form of clothing of the ministry workers introduced by Shoigu

[tan0472]

Quote: woker

so bad, which corresponds to our rich traditions, there will be time to look at the form of clothing of the ministry workers introduced by Shoigu

To whom it is, but to me the caps of the Ministry of Emergencies resemble SS.

[Normal]

Quote: woker

there will be time, look at the uniform of the ministry workers introduced by Shoigu

Quote: tan0472

To whom it is, but to me the caps of the Ministry of Emergencies resemble SS.

Well, what do you want from a Tuvan? For some reason, everyone decided that Shoigu is the salvation of the Armed Forces in particular and the Fatherland as a whole.
Here are emblems for you .... Don't like it? Are you specialists?
Well, the form of the Ministry of Emergency Situations ... This is a form with obvious Latin American motives and elements. The cap is so straight "pinochetovka" and the name

[Jin]

Quote: tan0472

To whom it is, but to me the caps of the Ministry of Emergencies resemble SS.

Damn +! I don’t understand what they remind me at all! Such a look they have in these "caps" is stupid, just hilarious. Only black humor comes out, so and so ...

[Hort]

Yes damn SSovskie and they were prettier. And then what about the Ministry of Emergencies, that the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that the military - pinochet.
Tulle as a springboard for "Kuznetsov"

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Jin

Such a look they have in these "caps" is stupid, just hilarious. Only black humor comes out, so and so ...

Well, probably again, or Yudashkin or rabbits on patronage of the cabinet, suits for the Ministry of Emergencies were removed. By the way, judging by the look, pederasty could not have done. (And if you add whips, handcuffs, and patent leather boots, then finally, BDSM, damn it)

[velikoros]

Sergey Kuzhugetovich in his role! A couple of years ago, a delegation of high-ranking aviators from the Ministry of Emergency Situations flew to our facility. The head of the delegation reminded me of Field Marshal Kesselring because of his cap. And now! Just removed the "rooks" with their crazy crowns, so it was necessary to hang so much laurel "salad" on the rim and visor, even stand, even fall! Look at the photo of Shoigu in field uniform. Well, straight Zimbabwe, or some Paraguay. Now more emblems ...

[SHILO]

Stickers with naked girls like in striped Air Force are perfect for No. 9-13!

http://sfw.so/1149023785-aircraft-nose-art.html - and to this address all possible options!

[Jager]

Pay attention to the mentality and presence of a true military spirit. The Americans drew whores during the war years. Ours on armored vehicles and combat aircraft are overwhelmingly military, patriotic slogans and inscriptions. Even such a minor fact speaks volumes.
http://reibert.info/threads/Надписи-на-фюзеляжах-советских-самолётов.80284/

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Canep

4th looks best

"looks better" is not suitable for this daub.

[Gur]

I seem to have explained everything intelligibly, koment is higher. How can you combine a two-headed eagle (an old and incomprehensible symbol, all countries have long abandoned such natural anomalies) of the symbol of autocracy in the coat of arms and a red star symbol of the workers of the peasant army? Don't you think this is a contradiction?

[erg]

The double-headed eagle is not a symbol, but an emblem. It does not symbolize anything, like any other emblem, but only means in this case the Russian state. Red five-pointed stars feel great and are present in many medieval coats of arms of Europe (in France, Switzerland, Italy, etc.). And many countries have not abandoned their emblems, which are not one hundred years old, even when they were in the social. camp. An example is the Polish eagle, which at one time arose as the antipode of the two-headed eagle of the Holy German Empire.

[Gur]

Well, of course, this is not a symbol, it is just an emblem, and as an emblem "it" is present as the emblem of Russia, where one head is turned to the west, the other to the east, and all such rubbish is without any intentions and meanings. From the two-headed eagles, everyone refused the countries of which these were on their emblems, only we now have a miracle of genetic thought. By the way, yes, I got excited about the Kremlin stars, I can't see shit from my window, I confused it with the Historical Museum. But the conversation is underway and the ROC takes a tough policy in this matter. As for the banners, your dialogue reminds me of a general from the film "Peculiarities of National Fishing "" So this is ravioli, well, it's dumplings, but it's ravioli, well, first they are dumplings and only then are ravioli "

[erg]

Serbia did not refuse, Albania too. I have already given an example with the Polish eagle. The same ancient emblem as the two-headed one. By the way, if you read somewhere that the heads of the eagle are turned one to the west, the other to the east, then you can safely throw everything written in the trash. For the one who wrote this, hell does not make sense in heraldry (heraldry refers to applied historical sciences, the course of heraldry was taught at the Faculty of History even under Stalin). You can read the works of Soviet scientists on the Russian state and territorial emblems, if you do not trust modern ones. Yes, if you are confused by double-headedness, then animals never look natural in heraldry, only close images or similarities, or even nothing at all, only familiar names (example: heraldic tiger). So our coat of arms is not a mutant , but just a fantasy, but accepted in the old days as an emblem. As for the banners, I set out the facts, it is up to you to interpret them in your own way.

[Gur]

We got the two-headed eagle from Byzantium, and I don’t know who to send or what to throw out, whether your post, or the whole history: - ““ The eastern eagle shines with three crowns, faith, hope, love for God. North, south, from the east right to the west with the sun, outstretched wings, goodness covers. ”Thus, the two-headed eagle is interpreted as a symbol of the inseparability of European and Asian Russia, and three crowns symbolized the three kingdoms - Kazan, Astrakhan and Siberian.
Countries with double-headed eagles
Albania
Russia
Serbia
Montenegro
Yes, we are in the neighbors of the most creative countries. We do not shine with creativity, the coat of arms, the anthem (they pressed hard, and finally built) a banner, now we’ve got to create emblems for the army.

[erg]

Even in tsarist times, the double-headed eagle was not considered inherited from Byzantium. However, type Heraldry in the search engine today, go to this portal, you will find a lot on this subject, such as literature, professional opinions, etc. If, of course, you have the patience to read the materials and literature, as they are written, often in scientific language, not journalistic populist.

[Gur]

"on the advice of friends" - I went to the site, read, saw nothing abstruse. The theory of the emergence or Russification of the two-headed eagle, contradictory, whether yes or no. There is no definite answer. But an unambiguous conclusion suggests itself, before the marriage of Ivan 3, on the Byzantine woman of Zoya-Sophia, the Russian princes did not have eagles as symbols, emblems, personal seals, etc. and so on. And all the theories of scientific men, these are already speculations, theories and so on. ...

[erg]

No one denies that before the marriage to Sophia there was no such emblem among the princes, although it was found on coins. But she appeared only 20 years after marriage. But I gave you a link to the portal, so that after reading the materials you understand that emblems, emblems (a special case of an emblem) do not symbolize anything, but only indicate someone’s belonging to something, etc. State including. Therefore, the two-headed neither the west nor the east, nor Orthodoxy, etc. etc. Just an old emblem, adopted as the emblem of the state. And all the meanings, the so-called semantics, are the notions of bureaucrats sitting in power. Well, they need to be explained to them for some reason and not another (although now and before the people for the most part did not care what the coat of arms could mean), they’re outcast who will come up with a better idea. And often, the true meaning of the emblem is known only to the one who invented and accepted it. So for some, a lion can denote some quality: courage, etc., for others, just remind him of his name. The only thing that is a symbol in our coat of arms is the crown (a symbol of dignity and independence, not a monarch, as they think); power (a symbol of territorial integrity and fullness of power, read a centralized state); scepter (also a symbol of power and independence). Another horseman slaying a dragon (but not St. George), was interpreted as a prince (in the general sense, that is, the head of state or power in general) slaying enemies.

[77bob1973]

As symbols, for those who are not in the subject, several symbols can be considered - a pentagram, a cross, a star of David, a crescent. For Russia, the option with a star is not even discussed, all the rest of the issues of "taste", in my opinion option 8 is not bad at all, just the inscriptions can be made as an abbreviation and why a circle? We didn't use the ellipse, the stylized pentagram at all.

[erg]

You see, the emblem should have such quality as recognition. That is, even with a cursory glance, it should be defined as Russian. Especially when it comes to identification marks. Five-pointed stars of different colors are found in many countries and just organizations. White-blue-red emblem colors too. Therefore, the proposed options are very similar to the emblems of other countries, such as the United States, and accordingly are lost against their background. The Soviet, red star is good in the way it was portrayed with us (with a gold border, later white, sometimes without it, and sometimes with black, but without additional external attributes in the form of circles and other things, coma of the first years of the Owls . power) did not meet with anyone. And so it fully corresponded to its purpose: to designate the Red, later Soviet Army, and for one of our state. Actually, the idea of ​​an emblem based on flag colors is not successful. Too often they are present in the emblem of other countries. Or you need to come up with some original drawing.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

They said the next CUT! Shoigu is not trifling, that is, on the contrary, he was trifling! And in the army we already have all the type of top! And the equipment is new everywhere and the soldiers are all trained .... Here the battle stars will change to high places and OK! the reform is over ...

[sterx]

memory eradicate

[Sibiryak]

I don’t even know how to laugh at what is happening or not !!!

[Asgard]

Guys need to cry here)))
Masson Seryozha Shoigu ran into symbolism even in the Ministry of Emergencies, at the last exercises he was in a field form not according to the charter (decorated as a rainbow bird))
Indeed, it is good that the Masonic colors are used (red-blue with white)) and the Masons believe)))) that such an Army will not resist them))
but you need a rainbow range - then the patriots will leave it))))))))))))

As Seryozha's brains were powdered, giving a medal for the collapse of the USSR .....
The fact is that the Russians deal with the Images - Anglo-Saxons and Jews (varieties of human-like)) do not know how (the brain is not so arranged)) it is easier for them to assign a symbol, a kind of static image or numbers .... That's why they are trying to digitize TIN, SNILS, FMS with biometrics - they do not have full name ........
But symbols- have power only over the animal system of the psyche- they are not dominant over People, but some Defense Ministers believe and shaman))))
for the benefit of Buffett: Satan .... BerLazar))))

[Ascetic]

Quote: Asgard

Masson Seryozha Shoigu ran into symbolism even in the Ministry of Emergencies, at the last exercises he was in a field form not according to the charter (decorated as a rainbow bird))

Shoigu generally loves everything colorful and decorated. All reports and analytical materials, plans should be highlighted in color. the same with regard to form. Who served in the SA, remember that the guys from Asia and the Caucasus loved to decorate their shape as a Christmas tree toy without knowing the sense of proportion and lack of taste. The mentality is so Asian in this regard.
The second "chosen by God" creators who have flooded all the cultural and educational structures of the Ministry of Defense and use this trait for their own purposes.

[Gur]

Serdyukov is bad, Shoigu is bad, why are you divorced, there was already an article on this topic, he rejected all these sketches, probably also no dumber than you and the engine. You won’t please Mlyn ..

[Ascetic]

Quote: GUR

Serdyukov is bad, Shoigu is bad, why are you divorced, there was already an article on this topic, he rejected all these sketches, probably also no dumber than you and the engine. You won’t please Mlyn ..

The point is not that he rejected it, but that for STATE MONEY in the bowels of the Ministry of Defense (Voeninform agency), out of stupidity or deliberately, such masterpieces are created, which cannot be called anything other than a diversion against their army and historical memory (see pink helmets). It was not by chance that I gave the names and contacts of the officials responsible for this outrage. In my opinion, to tie these merchants to their "masterpiece" of pink helmets with signs - We spit on your Victory "so that people walk around and spit on them. Then the rest of the creative people would have diminished their courage. Intolerant and undemocratic, but intelligible and patriotic.
By the way, on this occasion, I sketched an appeal to Shoigu and sent it by e-mail (by the way, I offered a shameful pillar for these gentlemen). Of course, a reply will be sent to the mailbox that the appeal has been considered and taken into account, but if there are a lot of them. maybe it will make the leadership of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation think who their subordinates serve in similar muddy agencies.
For those who want to follow my example, I give link

[Gur]

You know, if this is the question, then maybe Shoigu is not to blame for this, then A? Maybe you should look back, or look around in a circle? IN OUR VICTORY, everyone spared, from delusional films, to real marches of fascists in countries not only of enemies but also in countries that we consider fraternal. Not one obscene film about the war, and indeed about the Soviet life, no one came out, and did not spit on the threshold of the current government. And all because we, just serving staff, and if we still have at least a drop of conscience and dignity, then it is only thanks to the same Soviet upbringing, and we worry about it and try to raise our voice. Which by the way does not change anything and does not decide, because this voice is quiet and lazy, a good protest sitting on the ass at home and ranting about justice.

[velikoros]

So why on the Public Council do people idiots ...

[AX]

I remembered. I confirm ...

[Ascetic]

Quote: Asgard

The fact is that the Russians deal with the Images - Anglo-Saxons and Jews (varieties of human-like)) do not know how (the brain is not so arranged)) it is easier for them to assign a symbol, a kind of static image or numbers .... That's why they are trying to digitize TIN, SNILS, FMS with biometrics - they don’t have a full name ....

In general, you dug too deep for ordinary consciousness. To put it simply, all these phenomena are nothing more than the policy of modern neoliberalism in Russia, imposed by the states with the help of their agents of influence and the anti-Russian and anti-Russian "fifth column", liberalism has already contributed to the disintegration of national states in Europe, in Russia after the collapse of the USSR liberalism replaced the socialist ideology , "so Russia is not fully national because a state without national governing bodies and national ideology cannot be called national. Also, the liberal financial policy has removed national currencies from under the national control of the Central Bank, independent of the states whose currency they issue. national in the EU states, in Russia, only the territory, the flag, the anthem, and partly the languages ​​remain. This is partly because in Russia, for example, we speak, though Russian, but with a fair amount of Brighton's surzhik, "independent media" is a myth and if the state does not control the media they will be controlled by someone else, holy me I must not be empty. The national culture in the countries of the triumph of liberalism has been replaced by mass Hollywood, with popcorn and whores. There is also the Islamic world and China, but the Chinese clearly feel the threats, and the seeds of liberalism have rolled up in Tianyanmen and are following this course to this day.
All states that defend their national identity or seek to get away from American financial dependence are on the axis of evil and are subject to destruction, mind you.
In the Islamic world, liberalism has no chance, it is not homosexuality, not female emancipation, or such creative freedom of speech that does not accept Islam. The Islamic world is fought with its own weapon, growing radical Islam and turning it against the moderate. Africa is being destroyed by hunger, disease, war. Latin America still resists in some places, but it was probably left on the road after the Islamic world and China. In Russia, wherever you look, everywhere you look, American monkey imitation from TV to university training programs, the police have already been formatted in the American way (have you seen the new uniform?) Now they get to the army. This primaries and rebranding should turn Russia into one big "American Sasisk"
Pictured is a fast food tent in Adler

[Kostya pedestrian]

Well, what Shoigo freemason? Have you seen him in a Greek skirt or apron from a playboy? He's not Bruce Willis of 10 full yards.

For reference: Masons are not so much Jews as Celts who fanatically defend their brainchild - the Church of the Lord, and all that is terrible that is connected with it.

And about shamanism, you are not fair, you probably did not watch the TV series "Soldiers" - it even helps a lot.


PS: I personally believe that the Order of the Patriotic War should be present in the emblem, as a "cornerstone" award of our Army and Navy for victory for all time in a war that could be the last for our peoples, but became an example of our spirit, that not the internal enemies who kept the country in fear, not the external bestial fiends could neither break nor win.

I hope humanity will not allow something worse than the Great Patriotic War?

[svp67]

Well, we have SUCH A BIG and RICH HISTORY, WHY repeat the emblem of our POTENTIAL OPPONENT? The image of George - the victorious, as an emblem and a red star - for drawing on equipment - and this is ENOUGH, it is enough to invent a BIKE.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: svp67

WHY repeat the logo of our POTENTIAL OPPONENT?

Why POTENTIAL?

[ROA]

There were no official wars with this potential adversary. RI supported the states in their struggle for independence, RI helped to avoid intervention in the Civil War in the USA, the USA supported our country during the years of the Crimean War. In World War I, our camps beat the enemy together. In the second world, everything repeated. These are our enemies.

[Vladimirets]

Well, it’s probably our friends who helped us in Arkhangelsk and Murmansk in 1918, probably our friends landed in Vladivostok and captured the Trans-Siberian Railway. Probably, our friends and allies were planning an attack on the USSR after the Second World War, probably friends were dancing on the ruins of the USSR after 1991 and are now very friendly with us. And so, of course, the official third world war was not, at least, hot. But judging by your nickname, these are really your allies.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Vladimirets

. But judging by your nickname, these are really your allies.

By the way, a nickname without an avatar, although this one would be an example (bottom left). Wristband's Chevron. I remember in the days of the bad memory of MO Grachev they ordered new Vlasov cockades for caps, the army refused to wear them and all these stamped masterpieces went to the Ministry of Internal Affairs (today's policemen).

I remember at first I even refused to wear a tricolor on my sleeve (I even received a penalty for this). I can imagine what kind of indignation there will be in the troops about these beer stickers and Coca-Cola mattress caps.

[erg]

Vlasovites did not wear the Russian tricolor. Their flag was Andreevsky. The Germans did not like white-blue-red, because they believed that it reflects the ideas of independence of the Russian state, which they didn’t really need. The only fact that the tricolor flag was carried at the ROA parade was when someone from the white emigration followed them in the ranks (he carried the flag, like the flag of the Russian emigration) who came to support the Vlasovites.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ROA

supported the states in their struggle for independence

in gratitude for this, they sponsored Trotsky
these are our friends

Quote: ROA

In the First World, our camps beat the enemy together

Quote: ROA

There were no official wars with this potential adversary

in 1919, the US Department of State compiled a map of Russia, on which only the Central Russian Upland remained behind our country, and all other territories had to "move" to the USA, England, France, Japan and other "partners" of America.

The appendix to this map said: “All of Russia should be divided into large natural areas, each with its own special economic life. Moreover, no region should be independent enough to form a strong state ”

On August 3, 1919, the US Department of War ordered General Graves to intervene in Russia and send the 27th and 31st infantry regiments, as well as volunteers from the 13th and 62nd regiments, to Vladivostok. In total, the United States landed about 7950 soldiers in the Far East and about 5 thousand in the north of Russia

[erg]

In the era of Alexander 1, we borrowed a lot, including in the emblem from a potential enemy. Nothing, they washed him well afterwards.

[Denis]

And what does the old one not like?
More different yudashkin ... there’s nothing to do
They would take it to the joy of people hanged themselves and occupation would be found

[woker]

Yudashkin is not to blame, look at the root

[albanech]

I agree that Yudashkin is not to blame, but those generals and politicians who decided to launder money by changing clothes and ruining a soldier are to blame! "Love and take care of the soldier!" Stop doing f * cking! Better to return all emblems and quality uniforms from the USSR! Where are the glorious jackets? I have three old ones - I don’t wear new ones!

[Kahlan amnell]

It seems to me that already existing symbolism is enough. And there is no reason to get out of here. All the more so.

[Gennady1973]

Crap is complete and not emblems. God forbid, in truth, legitimize. I hope Shoigu does not Serdyukov will not reach glamor. If it’s better then they will draw more standing to the "demobels". And even better to leave everything as it is.

[Denis]

Quote: Gennady1973

Lutshe then turn to the "demobels", they will draw more worthwhile

Those can do it!
The main thing in extremes is not to go into the picture

[Max_Bauder]

Native American, from the Dakota tribe))))

[densh]

Dembel camouflage - "shaggy".

[vladimirZ]

A photograph of this clown must be placed in the rest rooms of every company, every ship, in order to show future demobels how ridiculous and stupid they sometimes look in their "demob" clothes, which cannot be called a military uniform.

[Metlik]

The most important thing is to hide the red Banner of Victory deeper into the archives, otherwise God forbid people will once again remember who we defeated Hitler with.

[Paul 23rus]

What kind of dregs? Do not touch the Red Star !!!

[Anatole Klim]

And this happened, did not expect Sergey Kuzhugetovich!

[Revolver]

As if more time and money have nothing to spend.

And the emblems then with the US Army and US Air Force copied.

[Valery Neonov]

So you don’t need to think, I went to the Internet once and it’s ready ...

[TRex]

Emblems are similar to USA, for sure. It’s good that grammar errors were not made in the inscription "Army of Russia". From these earhooks everything can be expected.

[Blad_21617]

how many billions will be written off to replace symbolism ??? a new criminal case on fraud is being prepared, as with the defense service, a suspect has probably already been appointed ...

[waisson]

and here amers had a hand

[Astral]

Already once tried to change. And they realized that the old is better than the new. Leave your favorite stars. Get off the glamorous hands of the pride of Russia. They themselves say that we will not let history be replaced, but they themselves are trying their best to hide its symbols deeper.

[holding]

All the emblems presented are full of crap. What are they thinking there?
There are no normal artists, chtoli ...

[jknfdb]

Yeah, a little fantasy

[Landwarrior]

FACEPALM!
The word, of course, is foreign, but I can’t pick up another option. Still the strassiks on the perimeter would stick
Why are the old bad?

[queen]

Quote: Landwarrior

Why are the old bad?

they don’t stick to wives ...

[Landwarrior]

Quote: regin

they don’t stick to wives ...

Unless. For me, the emblem in the form of a shield is the most optimal, symbolic if you want

[queen]

Quote: Landwarrior

shield emblem

so let's wear it with honor

[Astral]

And a revolutionary idea came. Guess why they want to change the symbolism.
They follow the lines of these Baltic worms which are adjacent. You see our stars eyes call them. Unpleasant memories evoke associations. And now our decided to appease them and lick.

In short, ** dy!

[kostik1301]

Even here they sold, but why are they afraid of Soviet symbols ...

[Baron Wrangell]

It seems to me that Shoigu suffers from Brezhnev’s syndrome, loves to wear all kinds of trinkets, they may be well-deserved, but putting them on a shirt and on a field uniform is to my taste bad.
New emblems killed, do not touch the red stars!
And the new office uniform of staff workers, copied from the Ministry of Emergencies, my opinion is completely absurd. Sitting in the office and in a T-shirt. MARASM! the more she wrinkles, stretches, and after a week the socks look like a rag.
What S.K. Shoigu is not looking there!

[military]

Quote: Baron Wrangel

likes to wear all kinds of trinkets

beads - Papuan's dream ...

[Bort radist]

They left the Anthem melody and do not touch the emblems, follow the traditions. Under these stars of enemies our grandfathers beat and we took the oath. Saw elsewhere.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

What they’re doing ... (they have nowhere to go) They probably want to erase their memory. Under a red star, the Entente and the gang were smashed into a civilian, Hitler’s ridge was broken, NATO was kept in check ..

[queen]

STAR ... this is the world

[Docklishin]

... do not look for the brain where it does not exist ... and that’s the point.

[queen]

Quote: DocKlishin

don't look for the brain

back ... worthy to find

[eplewke]

This distinctive sign scared all the armed forces of the world ...

[123dv]

This is not a distinctive sign, the picture shows the image of a banner used in warships in the USSR Navy.
The cloth was adorned on the flagpole in the very bow of the ship and was called "GUYS".
Imagine a piece of red fabric 2 by 3,5 meters of pure wool whistling uncontrollably in the fresh wind .....

[albanech]

I propose to return all emblems, cockades, emblems of the USSR! Enemies will run at the sight of our soldiers, officers, etc.! Glory to one Motherland!

[Doctor Evil]

The naval officers wore Soviet "crabs" on their headdresses for a very long time. And they would still wear it, if not for similar ... lovers of new democratic emblems. Historical memory is purposefully erased. And the award strips on the field uniform are generally wild for me.

[IRBIS]

Quote: Doctor Evil

The naval officers wore Soviet "crabs" on their headdresses for a very long time.

I wore it until I was fired, until 2009. He received penalties, listened to exhortations and still did not change. As well as shoulder straps, which are fitted to the western sample (short and narrow).
And Shoigu is a famous "fashion designer", it has long been known. She loves shiny things, twisted strings.

[Vrungel78]

I respect you. He himself wore first the old Soviet infantry lapels, then, as he was replaced, the good old Soviet tanks.

[Doctor Evil]

Dear Alexander. In 2009, for the Soviet embroidered "crab" it was easy to get into the commandant's office on Artilleriyskaya Street. Violation of uniform, blasphemy ... I appreciate your principled position. He himself served at the headquarters of the BF Air Force.

[IRBIS]

Quote: Doctor Evil

He himself served in the headquarters of the BF Air Force.

The headquarters of the BV BF, were almost neighbors. He knew the commandant personally, we still say hello.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Doctor Evil

And the award planks on the field form are generally wild for me.

And on the shirts? Recently I saw Gore-Lieutenant, with chevrons and a strap on a short-sleeved shirt ...

[IRBIS]

Quote: PSih2097

And on the shirts? Recently saw Gore-Lieutenant, with chevrons and a strap on a short-sleeved shirt.

Yeah, full "fit" under the US uniform. The comrade is still serving, he says that we still do not know everything and do not see everything what is happening in reality in the army. You would, he says, go to a meeting, in general you can go crazy from the "tasks" and posed "problems".

[velikoros]

And anyone can say why Shoigu needs a plate on his "field" uniform: "Shoigu SK"? Just like in the pioneer camp the inscription on the suitcase: "Vasya Ivanov, 3rd detachment."

[studentmati]

Quote: Great Russian

And anyone can say why Shoigu needs a plate on his "field" uniform: "Shoigu SK"? Just like in the pioneer camp the inscription on the suitcase: "Vasya Ivanov, 3rd detachment."

It is in order to identify a person. In combat, anything can happen ...

[AX]

We are already planting it ... By order ... Through reprimand and the military police.

[user]

I have already written on such occasions many times, well, he did not serve a day in the army, well, he does not understand her, its history and traditions, well, he’s a PR man. At least what to do if only on TV showed. So it seems to me that Tubaretkin replaced the plasterer. And as for the re-equipment of the army, he has nothing to do with it, he just allocated money during his appointment

[Storm]

What can I say ... Pseudo-American symbolism. I’m sitting and thinking - this seems to be such a simple and seemingly not a modern symbol - a sickle and a hammer. And how much speaks for itself! And you don’t need to sign - it’s immediately clear: the USSR! The symbol behind which is a lot. And then the far-fetched problem of the brand of the Russian army. Tradition should be. And it turns out like in a song: destroy to the ground, and then ...

[sso-xnumx]

or rather it will be "... why ??? ..."

[Stas57]

somewhere I already saw it)))))

[klimpopov]

Phaha! Exactly! I saw the same thing! In general, it seems more like nonsense. And they don’t even try to veil somehow. The generals are similar in shape to us in Africa, it remains to put the skin of a leopard on the parade.

[Proud.]

Quote: Stas57

somewhere I already saw it

So already fotozhabu zagigachili!

[RoTTor]

So this is a reliable and cheap remedy from SOCIALIST Vietnam, which kicked, with the fraternal international assistance of the USSR and the PRC and the French and Americans, and now \. after a destructive war, rapidly developing. It is necessary to learn from our Vietnamese brothers, but we have stopped buying even a real "Star" from the DRV, but we are not able to make our own.

[Reserve buildbat]

Have collapsed. This "artist" is seen from the amerskie militants studied. You have to "portray" such rubbish. I do not know how anyone, but I would not paint such "blotches". What a government direction to destroy memory and traditions! Leave the red stars and point! And as an emblem - the Victory Banner. That would be good. "I think so!" (c) movie "Mimino"

[pensioner]

Hello Vanya! Well, what else is needed ?? The only way:

[PSih2097]

Quote: retired

Hello Vanya! Well, what else is needed ?? The only way:

I think that somewhere like that ...

[Yrsh.2008]

Only SO and nothing else !!! Well, for the triad, you can do something new, of course, come up with something new in the southern part of the shield - for example, beat the well-known "for the capture of New York" ...

[Reserve buildbat]

Hi Yura! And I'm talking about the same thing! And then they got it with their "reforms" and "rebranding".

[pensioner]

Vania! There is not enough evil for these "reformers". They were better reformed their Wishlist downward. After all, for sure money was contracted for all this disgrace. And certainly not a penny. I knew one architect (so nodding) who designed the "figurines". The same cast-iron ones that stand at the ends of the bridge on the Plotinka. So he got 88 rubles for them at 89-20! In the sense of the project !!! All design work is not cheap. CLEAR THAT WILD. BUT THIS !!! Well, there would be no traditions, historically formed symbols ... But no. It is necessary to "get creative" here too ... 000 warnings, otherwise I would say: who are they ...

[v.lyamkin]

Honestly, the impression is that someone with a big hangover suddenly remembered that today is the deadline for the delivery of work. And quickly sprinkled what came to mind. And, really, how relevant is this question: there is a red star (a well-deserved symbol) and a Russian flag (normal pretty identification). Why do something else? Although maybe a new army to the police (or the traffic police) to rename according to good tradition?

[Max otto]

I looked at the sketches. This is business, full business. (Emphasis on e).

UPD: I just phoned my childhood friend in Yaroslavl, a lieutenant colonel, he said, "I will leave the army if they force us to hang it."

[Brummbar]

Well, the seventh is normal.

[DuraLexSedLex.]

What kind of emblems of FC CSKA (I root for him. But for the army ...) ?! WHAT ETHIC URO *** DOESN'T FIT IN A PLAIN RED STAR?!?!?!

[Ascetic]

Quote: DuraLexSedLex.

What kind of emblems of FC CSKA (I root for him myself. But for the army ...)

I also noticed and I am sick since 1970 (hereditary "horse")
In these offices are children brought up from childhood in Hollywood and Discovery, Brighton surzhik (OK, wow, etc.) trained in schools and universities according to American standards, so they are remaking everything and everything in the American way. They will not be accepted into such warm departments without a handshake, like most "independent media" paid for, among other things, by American corporations. I think that in material terms they do not live in poverty,
and if we take, for example, a defense industry enterprise, let's say the Kometa corporation at Avtozavodskaya
so there are plenty of vacancies for graduates of prestigious technical schools and workers, but young people don’t go, for the salary of a test engineer is 30000, the electronics engineer is 25-3000 rubles.
Only the leading engineer receives from 50000 rubles. For Moscow, this is very little money because it is better to work with managers for the same 30-50000tys. sell gaskets than in production, and even regime.
And the sub-pins of liberoids, as a rule, are in "chocolate" in this regard, so creative people with handshakes rush in there.

[chunga-changa]

What can I say, the flag is not red, even if the stars are not Soviet, well, at least not crosses.

[Terrible ensign]

Everything was invented long ago: to us, .. or to them (those who drew).
Red Star and George the Victorious. The only thing required: to make a common, recognizable, unique by no one, unlike any other character - an emblem uniting all the servants.
In addition, in this trend (or the mainstream, damn it), which is gushing in the heads of the leadership of the Moscow Region, one cannot allow the revision of the emblems of the combat arms and services. The vast majority of them are traditional for our armed forces and have been formed in very difficult conditions and historical circumstances for over a hundred years.
Some incomprehensible itch ...

[morpogr]

That there are no other things besides coming up with new funny pictures.

[Boris55]

Merits of Jewry to the working people.

"... So, a certain M. Kogan in the article" Services of Jewry to the Working People ", published in the Kharkov newspaper" Kommunist "on April 12, 1919, explained the meaning of the red pentalph in this way:" ... The symbol of Jewry, which has been fighting against capitalism for centuries, has become a symbol Russian proletariat, which can be seen at least in the establishment of the "Red Pentagonal Star", which was earlier, as you know, the symbol and sign of Zionism - Jewry. With him - victory, with him - death to the parasites of the bourgeois ... "
In 1923, the symbol of the five-pointed star was included in the coat of arms of the USSR as a badge as a figurative addition to the motto "Workers of all countries, unite!" At the same time, the five rays of the star were explained as five continents where the struggle between labor and capital is taking place. From that moment on, the red star began to be considered the emblem of international workers' solidarity ... "

All text with pictures: http: //213.141.140.103/page.php? Id = 279

[Landwarrior]

Once in the mid-90s, I watched one gear. So, there a certain burry man with foam at the mouth proved that the red star is generally a symbol of Satan. And sho, they say, all the problems of Russia are precisely because of this What do you say to that?

[aleks77]

I don’t ... whose symbol was the star, and our red star is lit and washed with the blood of the defenders of our hearth and the nefig mocks and desecrates it.

[spd2001]

look - Satan http://kolchakiya.narod.ru/uniformology/Kolchak_portrait.htm

[Petrol]

The son of David and his heir, Solomon, having learned that the northern peoples have a five-pointed star as a symbol of destruction and the color of destruction is red, ordered his subjects to distribute it throughout the world with red rather than purple, as the northern peoples usually depicted it.

[fklj]

Everything else is from the evil one.

[avia12005]

This is not artistic, but mental climacter, aggravated by regular use of heroin and heavy drinking.

[ReifA]

Rukavlitso .. God forbid they choose one of the proposed.

[Stix]

Wonder guys. The army has nothing more to do. Except for emblems to discuss. Emblems to alter. See emblems on combat readiness affect. Or maybe annoying? Whom the red army ironed.

[Algor73]

There are many stars on the emblems, but there is little sense. There is no one by which they recognized the Soviet (even Russian) soldier. There is no zest. Degradation. This is the same as the logo of the department. Transfer to money - billions are worth as a trademark. Why refuse? This is a story, and a glorious story.

[gorsten79]

"What kind of monumental holiday is going to be celebrated by the Ministry of Defense in October, which does not allow to allocate more time for proposing and discussing projects of new military symbols. Isn't October 7th that worries everyone so much there?" -October XNUMX is Putin's birthday. will not change when public opinion is against the power in the person of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief will say no, we will not touch the tradition. And there are many correct words as in this forum. But why raise this issue at all. I doubt that the president did not know about it. Although "public opinion" or there is a "nationwide discussion" is still a farce. That's when the police made the police there was an argument people are not good associations. And the fact that in the Second World War policemen (policemen) served with the Germans, these are what associations should be ...

[shark]

All this would be funny
Whenever it was so sad!
Can a nation rich in artistic traditions not offer its army anything more stupid redrawing other people's emblems? we don’t have enough characters? don't we have enough forms? no, we don’t have enough brains. What we have in abundance is the stupidity of those holding power

[Net]

Interestingly, the Kremlin stars also unscrew and put this dregs?

[Standard Oil]

You may not like the British, but they keep their traditions sacred, there are still emblems and banners from the time of Cromwell that were created and remained, in addition to the Air Force, of course, which Cromwell, for obvious reasons, did not have new types of troops, the fleet is the same , yes, there are still tank regiments passing by as uhlans or dragoons, one can hear absurdly, but the tradition has been preserved. In Russia, as always, okay, the communists, they will "destroy the old world ..." and all that the traditions of the Russian army destroyed by Trotsky and co. And even then, okay, you don’t like the communists, because the Russian army didn’t exist by them alone, you can see what happened before 1917, the Russian imperial army had the richest military traditions, I don’t want to choose.

[v.lyamkin]

An interesting twist.

[Seaman]

Quote: Max Otto

the lieutenant colonel, he said, "I will leave the army if they force them to hang on us."

My son is serving, he said the same thing. In general, already at the top of our roof goes. Because everything is there, checked by deeds and time! So no, again pulled somewhere ... in June. In general, they want to erase the memory! Or wash new millions? Honestly, I did not expect this from Shoigu. It seemed quite sane person.

[TRex]

"You don't know me. You still recognize me." (Second Lieutenant Dub. "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Švejk" J. Hasek)

And we were warned ...

[311ove]

Well, right to the point!

[creak]

Whether there will be more ... What can be expected from a person who has never had anything to do with military service - a builder and a party worker ... Until the defense minister is a professional like Rodionov, nothing good can be expected from these figures. ..S.Ivanov, A.Serdyukov, S.Shoigu - what did they understand in military construction? In the Soviet Union, even civil defense (on the basis of which the Ministry of Emergency Situations was created) was commanded by one of the deputy defense ministers. As grandfather Krylov said: "It's a problem if a cake-maker starts to wear boots ...."

[military]

Quote: Seaman

Honestly, I did not expect this from Shoigu. It seemed quite sane person.

the first impression is deceptive ...

[polly]

Let us state the fact that again everything turns out like Chernomyrdin: his unforgettable opus about the fact that "they wanted the best ..." it's time to place it on the coat of arms under the paws of the two-headed ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

this is not menopause, this is some kind of x..
without even reading the article, but just looking at the sketches, I immediately noticed that 9-12 is a remake of US symbols, the rest are no less mediocre, the combination of red and blue can only be done by a designer from the outskirts of the flywheel
what is the Russian army?!!
I’ve heard about the armed forces of the Russian Federation, I’ve heard about the Air Force and the Navy, I’ve heard about the branches of the military, but about the Russian army, sorry, no, well, if this is not a conversation and clear concepts enshrined in regulations, standards and acts

p / s /

"Kisa, I want to ask you, as an artist - an artist: do you know how to draw?"

[v.lyamkin]

The quote from 12 chairs is just on topic. Super!

[Igarr]

Lord...why didn't I die as a child.
To live to such insanity...
..
But I thought that Shoigu was a normal, serious man.
And he is an art designer. With...yummy taste.
..
I'll go and drown myself.

[IRBIS]

Quote: Igarr

I'll go and drown myself.

Wait, Igor, don’t rush - this is only the beginning of a “new” path and the “newest” appearance of the RF Armed Forces, we still haven’t received the most important thing. Be patient, then we’ll drown ourselves together... in something...

[dmb]

Or maybe it would be better...to drown them?

[Normal]

Quote: dmb

Or maybe it would be better...to drown them?

It does not sink ...

[FunkschNNX]

Why didn’t they write it in Latin???
But essentially they are scoundrels (I wanted to write it stronger, but the robot won’t let me through).
Many generations of our ancestors served, fought and won under banners and coats of arms, but these “reformers” want to paw at the legacy of their fathers with their dirty, crooked little hands.
With such talents, all they have to do is write their word on the fence.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

another question arises
if these are sketches of new symbolism, then why not black and white versions, more like some kind of unsuccessful impromptu

[7Hz]

It's hard to come up with it yourself! Half are clearly American, the other half are memories of the USSR. We have been living in Russia for a long time and the emblem must correspond. The stars were on the coat of arms of the USSR. In modern times, the bird is a mutant, and it follows that the emblem should have a bird on a tricolor or some other variation, but it is a bird and not a star.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 7Hz

We have been living in Russia for a long time

you will be surprised, but Aloizovich believed that he was attacking Russia and the Russians

[7Hz]

to SOVIET Russia, to be more precise, the USSR

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

for everyone it was Russia and it doesn’t matter the Russian Empire, the Union or the Russian Federation, it’s all RUSSIA

[7Hz]

I do not deny the great past and, on the contrary, I am proud of our ancestors, but based on modern realities, and the conversation is precisely about the modern appearance of the army, and therefore I say that if there was a star on the coat of arms of the Soviet Union, then it was undoubtedly the Soviet army, but now the coat of arms has changed and it’s somehow strange to say about an emblem with an element of a no longer existing state, and if someone wants a purely Russian element, then they should make a swastika (the Nazis really ruined this symbol) and not a star

[7Hz]

minusatore otaked

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I gave you a minus
Before writing, you could read something on this topic

Don’t you think that the star, in principle, does not go badly with the double-headed eagle?

[kazssr]

AHA LET'S PUT THE LETTER "P"

[RUSS]

One gets the feeling that this is a competition for a new sportswear label or sports club emblem. You can't think of anything worse, where are our heraldists?

[TRex]

Here are our heraldists...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: TRex

Here are our heraldists...

According to the film, this, as you put it, heraldist, wore the orders of his sons, after whose death he lost his mind, it’s not a little funny.

[Nikaviz]

It will be cooler.....

[sashka]

You can go crazy..What kind of crap did these guys inject? Maybe we've seen enough comics and gone crazy. http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%
20%D1%81%D1%81%D1%81%D1%80&img_url=http%3A%2F%2Fs01.yapfiles.ru%2Ffiles%2F92967%
2Fflag_sssr.png&pos=0&rpt=simage&lr=194&noreask=1&source=wiz

[reality]

Hmm, artistic climax ept. Very accurate. To be honest, it seems to me that this is exactly what the emblem of the Russian army would look like if the United States conquered Russia and installed a puppet regime.

[RUSS]

Why didn’t the modern double-headed eagle emblem fit? Or do we need a new, simpler one, for example, I like the new DOSSAF emblem, it could be approved as a new symbol of the army. And here again we have “horses and people mixed together,” red stars, double-headed eagles, crosses and stars...

[HOUSES]

The double-headed eagle is a coat of arms. In addition to the coat of arms, some states also have or have had state symbols. So in Nazi Germany it was a swastika, in the Soviet Union it was a hammer and sickle, in America it was the abbreviation US.
I think it’s wrong that Russia does not have a symbol that would express the essence of our state and would serve as a symbol of the Russian army on par with the red star.

[Metlik]

Quote: HAUSER

, Emerica has the abbreviation US.

The coat of arms of America is the bald eagle.

[Petrol]

DAMN YOU RUSSIANS, why are they sitting there alone with the IDF workers in the Ministry of Defense???????

[v.lyamkin]

No, well, could you pretend not to notice?

[Snoop]

Let them leave the stars on planes and equipment, the most recognizable symbol in the whole world))

[smiths xnumx]

Insanity and nonsense.
When the cat has nothing to do, he licks the eggs.
If there are no other problems in the army, then it's time to do rebranding.
The upper options are some branches of CSKA, the rest has nothing to do with Russia.
At the same time, the emblems for the equipment should be recognizable in monochrome. The faceted ("Kremlin") star copes with this without any problems.
And there is no intersection with the United States and China.
And of course, our two-headed man didn’t please him if the red race was so disgusting to them.
And here - some kind of Indonesia or Korea.
Return Serdyukov! (tm) :)

[avkeys]

No need to change anything! And everything that is proposed is more reminiscent of the style of some football club

[Grigorich 1962]

Indeed....some kind of ugliness is presented......either the Americans invented them or gays.
We need to announce an all-Russian competition.....give 3 months and our talented people will definitely come up with what is needed.

[Standard Oil]

It's simpler: American gays.

[saag]

The combination of red and blue colors is generally in bad taste, opposite colors of the spectrum do not combine, but apparently this does not apply to the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the only more or less suitable option is number 4

[Konstantm]

The more oak trees in the Army, the stronger the defense?!

[311ove]

There are no “oaks” left - only “effective managers”..... Bring back the “oaks” - at least not Zhukov, at least Ustinov!!!

[PSih2097]

Quote: 311ove

Bring back the “oaks” - at least not Zhukov, at least Ustinov!!!

I think Ustinov, seeing the state of our military-industrial complex, would either shoot himself, or would order the execution of those responsible for the collapse...

[ROA]

If you are going to change something, then let them make an emblem that is historically justified.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: klimpopov

Phaha! Exactly! I saw the same thing! In general, it seems more like nonsense. And they don’t even try to veil somehow. The generals are similar in shape to us in Africa, it remains to put the skin of a leopard on the parade.

I also noticed .. Everything is in the badges in the emblems .. It’s not a shame to state this, but here somehow the phrase flashed “The weaker the army, the more varied and colorful the uniform of the generals...”

[v.lyamkin]

One of the famous people said something like this: when an army is heading towards collapse, it begins to decorate its uniform with tchotchkes. And the further, the more. I quoted it, to put it mildly, not exactly, but I vouch for the meaning.

[ivanovbg]

If they want to change the symbol, let the new one be a DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE, as in the coat of arms of Russia.

There is absolutely no point in disfiguring recognizable and familiar red stars. And to replace them with gay-gay and American-white...... Oh, where are you, dear Joseph Vissarionovich!

[HAM]

Either Slava Zaitsev sews the “original” uniform, or Kozhugetovich draws circus logos, and that’s all.

[South]

It would be better if you looked through the demobilization albums, maybe something would inspire you)))))

[rodevaan]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WHAT THERE????? I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE WARNING, BUT I CAN’T WITHOUT Swearing! WHAT THE HELL ARE THE FUCKING MORONS AGAIN STARTING TO THRESH UNDER THE PIN DOTINA!

REMOVE THIS UNDER-PIN-DOSE POO, DON'T DISHAMINE OUR RUSSIAN STARS WITH ALL FOREIGN SHIT!

WE BARELY WAITED FOR ALL THIS FUCK TO END IN THE 90S, SO NOW IT'S THE OLD THING AGAIN?

[ROA]

These Russian stars are not Russian at all, they are a disgrace to the Kremlin.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you are a disgrace to the nation

and this is the Pride of the Country

[rodevaan]

Quote: ROA

These Russian stars are not Russian at all, they are a disgrace to the Kremlin.

With these stars, our country rose from the chaos and ruins of the Civil War, becoming a great world Power!
With these stars, our heroic grandfathers forged victory in the Winter War and at Khalkin-Gol, at Khasan and in Manchuria!
With these stars on the wings, on tanks and on helmets, our Great Red Russian Army went to Berlin to beat the fascist bastard and all the Western-animal trash that had been coming to rob and kill us for centuries.
With these stars, the Armed Forces of our country were known, feared and respected in all corners of the Globe, including the main breeding ground of shit-cracy!

By depriving our army of these symbols, which have already become natively Russian, our leaders are depriving the country and people of the symbols of the Great Victory, the Great History and the Great Glory of Russian weapons.

SHAME AND SHAME! That our stupid people forget their great history, lackeyly licking all sorts of shit from a foreign-overseas tin can...

SHAME AND SHAME! To our country, what gives birth to individuals who support all this and crawl on all fours in the comments in front of the stupid West, denigrating their history and the symbols of their army!

[ROA]

Becoming a naked-assed country with nuclear weapons. And we were a world power even before we were a civilian one.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I don’t know about you, dear sir, but I didn’t walk around with my butt naked.

[rodevaan]

Quote: ROA

Becoming a naked-assed country with nuclear weapons. And we were a world power even before we were a civilian one.

- Well, well, - this unique person still floats in the mothball stereotypes of the early 90s.

[Klim podkova]

Why renounce symbols that have a long and worthy history?
We are not ashamed of either the red star or the double-headed eagle!

[Oleg1501]

If only we abandon the star altogether and develop something like this, it will be very memorable and stand out

[ROA]

RNE. In 1993 they were on the verge of seizing power.

[Hort]

no, a golden-colored carol (8-pointed round) is better then.

[ROA]

Kolovrat or what? Then you can immediately save something miraculous as an emblem.

[rodevaan]

Quote: ROA

Kolovrat or what? Then you can immediately save something miraculous as an emblem.

- And it would be much better than the overseas crap that they are now trying to sell us for the 1001st time! By the way, under banners with the Savior Not Made by Hands, the Russians beat the Horde in Kulikovo and the dog knights on Lake Peipsi.
But our idiots, first of all, need to lick the ass of their overseas owners, and only then think about the country.

[Hort]

Spas is too complicated to make, but golden “wheels” on a red background would look really good :)
And they would just reflect our philosophy - we are kind, we bring sunshine to everyone)

[iSpoiler]

Swastika..??? Are you a fascist..?? Pshol from here

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: iSpoiler

Are you a fascist..??

the swastika was a symbol of the Nazis, besides, like it or not, the Kolovrat is an ancient Slavic symbol

[iSpoiler]

Yeah, you print out this Kolovrat and run around your city.. Surely everyone will know right away..." yes, this is a Kolovrat, our Russian symbol... just ancient.." you will say when they start tearing your head off. Whether you like it or not. IMHO

[Hort]

Googled it out of curiosity how many peoples of our planet had and still have swastikas in different forms before posting this heresy here

[iSpoiler]

It doesn’t matter how many nations have swastikas, no one will figure it out, why google it, what else to do... This is the symbolism of the fascists. The fascist Germans - the very ones who killed your parents. These are symbols of subhumans. This is far from heresy, believe me.

[RUSS]

This is not a swastika, but an ancient symbol found among almost all peoples, from the Slavs to the North American Indians, and the Germans, so to speak, discredited it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: RUSS

This is not a swastika

and what is it?

[major071]

Does the Ministry of Defense have extra money? It would be better to direct them to the construction and modernization of the Navy.

[military]

Quote: Doctor Evil

Historical memory is being purposefully erased.

and at this time, somewhere in Valdai there was a conversation on the topic of pride in historical heritage and the search for a national idea...

[mithridate]

Why are the current emblems bad? The sketches are a complete failure.

[Cat]

MO has nothing better to do. Instead of being creative, it would be better to read history, or at least look at pictures on the internet.
It seems to me personally that a red star without any circles or bumps is quite suitable as an emblem of the army and army aviation. The fleet has the St. Andrew's flag - and you can't think of anything better here.
The Air Force also has certain traditions:

[erg]

Such cockades on the wings were introduced according to the model and likeness of England and France in the First World War. The Entente countries and their allies had them as a common distinctive feature (the USA and Italy also painted circles of flag colors on their planes). So this too is an imitation. You can't imagine a better red star.

[major071]

Eh, Comrade Shoigu! But I have already begun to respect you.

[Petrol]

look what your leaders think of you (“On September 22, at the Samara Civil Forum, when discussing the national and migration policy of Russia, a representative of the Mordovian diaspora, Sovetkin (in the video, 4 minutes) said: “I believe that it is necessary to completely eliminate the Russian people as such! Let they will disperse all over the world and forget that they are Russians and will be happy!") I think Kvachkov is RIGHT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E_zyw6Ba3PE

[ded10041948]

And it seemed like he looked normal at first! Something is wrong with our rulers' brains. Are they not selected from among the patients at Kashchenko?

[velikoros]

I also remember respecting Luzhkov until this... put Tsereteli’s monster on Strelka.

[RUSS]

The French also did not immediately accept the Eiffel Tower; they considered it a real monstrosity.

[Petrol]

Quote: Oleg1501

If only we abandon the star altogether and develop something like this, it will be very memorable and stand out

.........I agree only that the rotation of the wheel is to the right and not to the lunar side .. or maybe Svetoslav the brave’s double-width

[Vrungel78]

Whatever the child enjoys, as long as the budget is not stolen. In general, I am for the good old Soviet stars.

[Petrol]

tokma in the purple version... and not red.....

[reality]

I showed it to my father, out of interest))) He said that this was betrayal and disgusting, he got really angry, and immediately left to smoke. ((((

What could be more severe than the red star and St. Andrew's flag? These are symbols washed by the blood of our ancestors, and even those living today.
It's like WOW. Everything is ours from the beginning. If they want to emphasize the difference from the USSR, let them add a two-headed man in some form, and that’s enough.

[deman73]

They have nothing better to do or don’t know what to do with the money - why introduce something new? The old one doesn’t look bad, especially since the army is strong in traditions that have been created over the years, but there will be no sense in introducing new emblems, for example, a simple police force was renamed the police and even the uniform They gave me a new one, but the old meaning remained, and it got even worse.

[Vorkot cat]

The Ministry of Defense has completely gone crazy, everyone is looking like America with emblems.

The police have already been repainted, just like the American cops began in their black uniforms and the army is being dragged there too :(

[31231]

Is someone planning to abolish the Russian flag on chevrons and the red star on vehicles?! Are there really such fools in the Moscow Region?

[moremansf]

In my opinion, enough of the stupid ideas!!! The uniform has already been redesigned five times, now we will change the stripes and all with taxpayers’ money, i.e. you and I... These are again colossal costs, but apparently someone has their own interest... The Serdyukov-Vasiliev tandem has already been reformed, but they won’t be asked to pay... and these funds would be better spent on housing and pensions , well, we can’t forget about new types of weapons!!!!!!!!

[v.lyamkin]

I only disagree about the new form: time passes, new materials, new technologies, etc. appear. But what does this turn into, yes, that’s the question.

[shurup]

The two emblems are suitable for joint peacekeeping operations. This is what the blanket is pulled towards.
The appearance of equipment with the same symbols should mean that peacemaking and patience are over.
Socks, shower, emblem - what's next, Mr. Shoigu? Maybe just beer, girls and well, this fishing.

[bomg.77]

Soon the uniform will begin to change and there will be such defenders of the fatherland

[Dimon-chik-79]

Ha ha
Oh! We have enough fools! Otherwise they'll take it...

[malikszh]

I would leave a red star against the background of the tricolor

[avega]

Agree. We have a flag - a symbol of our beloved present country! (I am for the Soviet one, but I don’t have to choose)))) we have a valiant GREAT past and its symbol is the STAR! NO options! Personally, I like to combine the past with the present and force respect in the future. And put that amateur caricature nonsense back on his little head (you can pin it on his forehead)))))

[Umnichka]

Shoigu S.K.! I respected you! Are you crazy?! Subtly disguised internal decay and betrayal...

[moremansf]

The most offensive thing is that no one will listen to our opinion!!!!!!!!

[RUSS]

They definitely won’t listen, but Shoigu definitely didn’t listen to the president and, contrary to the decree, he returned the red stars to his shoulder straps.

[Wii]

Such “reforms” need to be treated together with reformers.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Wii

need to be treated together with reformers

medicine packaged 7.9 g

[ded10041948]

Soooo, the madhouse continues! What a country with a penchant for self-destruction! Next will be another “brilliant idea” about replacing the stars on officers’ shoulder straps? And the Star of the Hero of Russia is somehow not that... Reminds me of the “damned Soviet past”! You, reformers h.r.e.n.o.v.y, would do something useful, raise rabbits or something. Everything is more useful for the state. And with the funds wasted on all sorts of “revolutionary changes”, it is possible, according to my estimates, to build a military town! Your “ebullient” activity is making the dead turn over in their graves! At least have pity on them!

[ivshubarin]

The insanity has grown stronger, but I think they won’t accept it

[Semyon Albertovich]

The main thing is that this issue should not be resolved in Serdyukov’s way (one tyrant decided and that’s it - they arrived). It is necessary (if it is really necessary) to have a broad discussion of the public, including the military (cadres and retirees).

[Drosselmeyer]

Well, are the masks torn off? Does anyone else have any hopes about Shoigu’s sanity? Uniforms from the Ministry of Emergency Situations, new emblems and endless conference calls. This is what Shoigu’s leadership in the Moscow Region will be remembered for. The latest events of the flood on the Amur clearly showed that after 20 years of leadership of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, there is nothing in this ministry except PR for Shoigu and loud, ostentatious statements.
And the emblems are displayed because the red star is like a sickle in one place, but here it is immediately clear whose vassal Russia is and who is its overlord.
By the way, in light of future budget cuts in defense spending, many surprises still await us.

[Eugene]

Normal. But when was the last time you saw a star in Ukraine? Here on Victory Day you don’t always see the banner of the victorious country! Shoigu is still a pretzel, maybe. But here it’s just atas!

[Petrol]

Drosselmeyer and they (the Russians) in the Kremlin are not leaders, but agents of the world's behind-the-scenes occult structures...

[Double major]

Why not just go back to the basics: http://wiki.edu54.ru/index.php/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0% B6%D0%B5%
D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:200px-Imperial_Russian_Aviation_Roundel.svg.png The emblem of Russian aviation in the First World War (well, there wasn’t a lot of other equipment yet)...

[SANAY]

The fifth, seventh, ninth, eleventh, tenth, twelfth and thirteenth are DEFINITELY eliminated, as they carry pro-American symbols and form.

[bask]

Russian Army
13 variants of the emblem "Army of Russia" from the Ministry of Defense, or Artistic Climax

These are not the emblems of the Great Russian Army and not an artistic climax of 13 options.
And complete bullshit of the Defense Ministry...

Why change anything?????