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Expert: "The Eurasian Union in 2015 - a real perspective"

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Expert: "The Eurasian Union in 2015 - a real perspective"The Eurasian Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan in 2015 will become a reality. But it will be long-term only if its base is not only economic, the deputy believes. Director of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies Tamara Guzenkova.


The unification of Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, as well as, possibly, of other countries into the Eurasian Union is regarded by experts not only as a natural and inevitable process, but also very close in time. 1 January The 2015 agreement on the Eurasian Union may enter into force, said Leonid Slutsky, head of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration and Relations with Compatriots, told reporters. Especially for the Window to Russia project, the deputy of the RISR, the head of the Center for the Study of the Problems of the CIS Countries, Tamara Guzenkova, commented on the parliamentarian’s statement.

- Do you think the Eurasian Union can become a reality as early as January 2015?

- I think this is a very real prospect, because the work of the Eurasian integration structures and, above all, of the Eurasian Economic Commission, is now proceeding in an accelerated mode. It must be said that this was also facilitated by events related to the exacerbation of the situation between Russia and Ukraine in August of this year. This situation clarified many things, showed who is who, how Ukraine is oriented to the West and to the East, and served as an additional impetus and stimulus for intensifying the process of Eurasian integration.

By the way, the very contour of the real and potential members of the Eurasian Union has recently changed. We learned that Armenia also expressed a desire to join the Customs Union. This process, of course, is not very fast, but the Customs Union works as an open system and may include new members. Therefore, the beginning of 2015 of the year is a very real task, for which the relevant people, structures and political forces have been working for a long time.

- Do you think that Ukraine is not interested in the Eurasian Union?

- Certainly interested, but not as a full member, but as an independent and separate country, which at the same time would not like to assume the obligations of membership, but to have its advantages. It is not by chance that Ukraine with such persistence tried to implement the 3 + 1 formats and the observer status at the vehicle. For a long time, we were seduced by the hope that Ukraine would approach this issue pragmatically and figure out where it would be more profitable for it to be, taking into account the sales markets and production structure. However, the most recent events, public speeches of Viktor Yanukovych and Mykola Azarov, and, most importantly, the meeting of the President of Ukraine with the Party of Regions faction, and the words that were spoken there all indicate that Ukraine has turned its back on the Customs Union, Russia and began its tortuous and full of trials the path of westernization.

- What difficulties may arise in the formation of the Eurasian Union? Kazakh parliamentarians, for example, oppose the creation of a common Eurasian parliament.

- A common parliament, a common currency, a unified educational standard, unified standards of social security and health protection are all issues and prospects for a more distant future. I am deeply convinced that no integration structure can be full-fledged for a long time if it is based solely and exclusively on economic components, unless there are common values ​​and common high standards that extend much more than just trade and economic relations. But now the next step is the task of working out exactly the general economic rules, tariffs and other conditions of cooperation, the task of forming the so-called four free spaces: the movement of goods, capital, labor and services. This is now a priority. It seems that the Kazakh side is simply not yet ready to announce the formation of a single parliament. Just as the Belarusian side, being our partner in the Union State, was not ripe to create a common currency within the framework of the Union State. There are some things that exist in the mind, in the project, but for which the time has not come yet. I think that the parliament, general educational standards, living standards and close ideology are the perspective of a not very distant, but rather distant future.

- Hillary Clinton, when she was US Secretary of State, stated that she would prevent the formation of the Eurasian Union - as a new version of the Soviet Union under the guise of economic integration. How can the United States interfere with the formation of the Eurasian Union?

- I regard the words of Clinton as an absolutely rude and unfriendly attack towards Russia, considering that it was Hillary Clinton who held the button in her hands, which marked the reset of Russian-American relations. I think this is her deep personal miscalculation, a mistake she will regret over time. Although in reality it reflects the interest of certain political forces in the United States. Many anti-Russian forces in America perceived this as a certain ideological attitude. But I think that such shouts cannot stop those clear and natural integration processes that occur in that part of the globe where the US wants to increase its influence, but cannot strengthen it to the extent that they still count on.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 24 September 2013 07: 47
    +8
    I think everything will work out for us, the main thing is to firmly stand our ground and go on a path that is foolproof.
    1. Canep
      Canep 24 September 2013 07: 57
      15
      I think Ukraine will join the CU. True, this will happen after politicians bring Ukrainians to poverty.
      1. slacker
        slacker 24 September 2013 09: 11
        +7
        - Do you think that Ukraine is not interested in the Eurasian Union?

        - I am certainly interested, but not as a full member, but as an independent and separate country, which at the same time would not want to assume membership obligations, but have its advantages


        This is a distinctive feature of the state 404. I am sure that these Ukrainian illusions will run into the shit from the leadership of the CU countries. No one needs freeloaders now.
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 24 September 2013 12: 02
        +6
        Quote: Canep
        I think Ukraine will join the CU.
        A terrible dream of the West - the restored USSR. How many phrases were about the fact that only with Ukraine could Russia become a superpower. And therefore, this simply will not be allowed to take place, as if you did not want to. The resources of Russia and the European Union with the United States are currently simply not comparable. And the Russian Federation itself did a lot of stupid things about Ukraine, slowly but surely pushing them into the EU. request
        Quote: Canep
        after politicians bring Ukrainians to poverty.
        Again, the West is completely uninterested in bringing the Ukrainians to poverty, thereby pushing them towards Russia. And so they will allocate for them a certain niche to maintain their pants (at least). But, at the same time, Ukrainians will certainly not shout. And about the role that Ukraine played in the USSR, thanks to powerful industry, science, etc. have to forget .. recourse And it will be the backyards of Europe .. but it seems that Ukraine agrees on this ...
        1. avt
          avt 24 September 2013 16: 03
          +1
          Quote: Alibekulu
          And the Russian Federation itself did a lot of stupid things about Ukraine, slowly but surely pushing them into the EU

          And don't say! Here is the last nonsense - the allocated 750 million loan on quite decent terms, in contrast to the European Union, which does not give them a loan at all and will receive interest just from this loan. Kind of like lifting in the Association of the European Union. Our main "stupidity" for the newly born countries and their masters is that we still have not drowned in the Arctic Ocean.
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Again, the West is completely uninterested in bringing the Ukrainians to poverty, thereby pushing them towards Russia. And so they will allocate for them a certain niche to maintain their pants (at least).

          This is a bright prospect, in every sense. And you can see the reality in Iraq, Libya, Tunisia, well, in Yugoslavia. However, if the Ukrainians have a desire to live in the Baltic states - free will, saved paradise.
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 25 September 2013 07: 33
            0
            Quote: avt
            And don't say! Here is the last nonsense - the allocated 750 million loan on quite decent terms, in contrast to the European Union, which does not give them a loan at all and will receive interest just from this loan. Kind of like lifting in the Association of the European Union. Our main "stupidity" for the newly born countries and their masters is that we still have not drowned in the Arctic Ocean.
            As for the loan - so do not give, then ..
            At the expense of stupidity - this is "xoxlospach" arranged during the "gas war".
            I don't know who stole from whom. And who is to blame. But that information hysteria inspired by the Kremlin - "This is not a crime - this is a mistake."
            Instead of dealing with the Ukrainian leadership, which may have been carrying out gas frauds, they poured tubs over the "shout" of ordinary Ukrainians.
            And naturally, supporters of the Russian Federation, she did not add. And moreover, those who were in favor of an alliance with Russia were made their opponents ..
            1. avt
              avt 25 September 2013 09: 10
              0
              Quote: Alibekulu
              At the expense of stupidity - this is "xoxlospach" arranged during the "gas war".

              Oh, this newly appeared Western fashion to call everything not by their proper names - where is the war then? You don’t know what war is and thank God, don’t rush with such words, as well as, unauthorized gas extraction "is a banal theft, but I must say at that time it was no longer quite joint with the hosts from Russia. Well, the leadership, even if through the Maidan, his amers were appointed, the people in Ukraine accepted, by a majority vote, and this is an objective reality. Yes, and write off on the intrigues of the "elder brother", the imperial "neighbor, who for some reason does not want to delve into the problems of an independent state Well, a very cool position. Since such independent and ancient ones - then how can we do it yourself. So the coveted European Union, in comparison with us, the Imperators, acts much more harshly.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 24 September 2013 10: 39
      +2
      I almost fell off the chair:

      Georgia does not reject prospects of joining Moscow's Eurasian project


      http://www.inopressa.ru/article/13Sep2013/lemonde/georgia.html
  2. a52333
    a52333 24 September 2013 07: 52
    +1
    Well, well, the USSR-2 is already in its "fifth month" good The yellow-black circle should be added. Then they themselves will say thanks.
  3. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 24 September 2013 07: 59
    +3
    The main thing is to create a solid and stable economic basis, then the political superstructure will be built really.
  4. Essenger
    Essenger 24 September 2013 08: 10
    -3
    Nazarbayev did not go to the CSTO summit in Sochi. I think this is a good signal.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 24 September 2013 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: Essenger
      Nazarbayev did not go to the CSTO summit in Sochi. I think this is a good signal.

      Esenger how old are you? just by communication, Kazakh youth of 36 years old and below are 70-80% less than enthusiastic about the union under construction 2.0 and in 15 years they will steer with us. however, if over the years we enter into a close alliance with Russia, it will be difficult to break off relations, an example of Ukraine on the one hand and Georgia on the other. Our Slavic youth are for the union by 90%, but in 15 years they will be in an absolute minority because they are leaving or have plans to leave Kazakhstan. However, if the union brings tangible advantages over 15 years, the number of young supporters of the union may increase. my cousins ​​and their children got pluses this year and their position sounds something like this. If they don’t interfere with us and in our affairs, we are for an alliance, but if we start again “we will lead you into people and make you happy” then you don’t need to neither union nor carrots from the union. Well, my personal understanding is that the first union of Kazakhs and Russians, the result is not unambiguous and probably a union is not needed, but good-neighborly relations are needed without sucking in the gums and without throwing stones at each other.
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 24 September 2013 10: 08
        +4
        Sagat, welcome! I think that the CU will give a positive impetus to the development of the village. Three weeks ago, a caravan with our agricultural products was sent from Shymkent to Moscow, and last week the following information appeared
        South Kazakhstan region is investing up to 250 million US dollars in the creation of a trade and logistics center for the implementation of domestic food products in the Moscow region, kazinform.kz reports.

        An agreement on this was reached during a meeting of the delegation of the South Kazakhstan region with the leadership of the Moscow region.

        As the ambassador of Kazakhstan to Russia Galym Orazbakov noted, the Moscow region is one of the main subjects of Russia. “For us, the interest is the industrial, agricultural and scientific potential of the region. We have specific intentions to create a trade and logistics center here, ”the ambassador said.

        G. Orazbakov explained that Kazakhstani goods in the Russian market can successfully compete both in price and in quality. “Our entrepreneurs are ready to make direct investments. We are talking about the order of 250 million dollars in the creation of a transport and logistics center, ”the head of the diplomatic mission said.

        The Governor of the Moscow Region Andrey Vorobyov also emphasized that the territory of the Moscow Region is open for Kazakhstani business and investment. The potential of the region has all the necessary conditions for doing business, including markets, infrastructure.

        “I believe that an investment of the order of 200 million dollars is still a serious step. We welcome such a beginning. We are for civilized trade, which will allow everyday products from Kazakhstan to be delivered without delay, without intermediaries to the territory of the Moscow region, ”A. Vorobyov said. He added that by the end of this year, a platform for the implementation of the project will be provided.

        In turn, as the deputy akim of the South Kazakhstan region Saparbek Tuyakbaev explained, investment in the creation of a trade and logistics center in the Moscow region will be received from South Kazakhstan entrepreneurs. In the future, the provision of sites of this center for manufacturers from other regions of the Republic of Kazakhstan is not ruled out. Currently, the projects of a trade and logistics center worth from 50 to 250 million US dollars are being considered.

        The project will be implemented within the framework of the Agreement of Cooperation signed today between the Moscow Region Development Corporation and the Shymkent Social and Entrepreneurship Corporation.

        Visit of the delegation of the South Kazakhstan region to Moscow, incl. to conclude specific agreements, organized at the initiative of the Embassy of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the Russian Federation.
        http://otyrar.kz/2013/09/yuzhno-kazaxstanskie-fermery-budut-prodavat-produkciyu-
        v-moskovskoj-oblasti /
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 24 September 2013 10: 31
          0
          hello Andrew about this and I write that my relatives received a gingerbread from the TS, but most often there are no gingerbread without a carrot. Kazakhs went through this in the first union when it was said we take over international relations, defense and our money (emission center) and you are loyal and pay taxes, internal administration, the court, the language, etc. we don’t mess with and what did you come to after a certain number of years? So I scratch my turnips and I think, as if they wouldn’t get involved again from all over, it seems like it’s just started debugging, so I’m writing. Can we wait and see at the TS stage? as in a song a coachman do not drive horses.
          1. avt
            avt 24 September 2013 11: 03
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            my relatives got gingerbread from TS, but most often there are no gingerbread without a carrot. Kazakhs went through this in the first union when it was said we take over international relations, defense and our money (emission center) and you are loyal and pay taxes, internal administration, the court, the language, etc. we don’t mess with and what did you come to after a certain number of years?

            And with what fright will all these horror stories in the vehicle be? TS is a cartel conspiracy, not a syndicate. Well, if it’s not happy, it seems like there is a desire like in Ukraine — I’ll enter here I’ll fulfill it but not request Well, it’s not a question, the TS is not the USSR and never will be. You can always run away relatively painlessly. The main thing is that Nazarbayev and his receiver would blow our ears about Earazes, it's not our topic, yes, but you can become an emission center when your economic weight in relation to Russia will be like that of Germany to Greece, then you will dictate, and we will do it with our teeth gritted and remembering that they are independent, proud and very ancient. This, by the way, is one of the reasons why I don’t believe in EurAsEC and wrote about it.
            Quote: Essenger
            Nazarbayev did not go to the CSTO summit in Sochi. I think this is a good signal.

            Well, I don’t know what kind of signal it is, it doesn’t want to see someone or is ill - you can only guess, but the CSTO organization is jelly-like, spineless, I already wrote about this. Gathering all the bays and a ceremonial meeting in peacetime is good and beautiful - all well-fed and cheerful under their flags, but something tells me - God forbid something serious, again we have to take a puff for everyone. Rakhmon kicked out our border guards and won 201 how many years he hummed, the sovereign embroidered the entire flag on the mast more, but how to start, he insisted on strengthening the border.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 24 September 2013 11: 39
              -1
              author I’m writing about this so far that there is enough TS. Nazarbayev is from the USSR and his desire to recreate the union is clear (apples from childhood are tastier and juicier than current paper ones), but his time is running out, I hope his receiver will stop building the union2.0
              1. avt
                avt 24 September 2013 15: 07
                0
                Quote: Semurg
                I’m writing about this so far that there is enough TS. Nazarbayev is from the USSR and his desire to recreate the union is clear (apples from childhood are tastier and juicier than current paper ones), but his time is running out, I hope his receiver will stop building the union2.0

                Well, they made laugh laughing , especially in the light of the Ogarev documents on the "renewed union." Bronevoy, on behalf of his character, said, “if a friend is silent - this is a friend, and an enemy is an enemy.” quite specific is not expected.
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 24 September 2013 15: 25
                  +1
                  Well, thank God if it's all dancing with tambourines around the fire.
            2. Essenger
              Essenger 24 September 2013 13: 26
              0
              Hi, avt

              He was on a visit to Kyzylorda, they danced and sang in general the old man is awake))) This is clearly a political signal, I hope to change the foreign policy vector.
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 24 September 2013 14: 27
                +4
                Quote: Essenger
                He was on a visit to Kyzylorda, they danced and sang in general the old man is awake))) This is clearly a political signal, I hope to change the foreign policy vector.

                I think the matter is different, a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council is being held in Astana. To see that Putin is resolving issues in the CSTO, our Nurek is engaged in economic issues.
                1. T80UM1
                  T80UM1 24 September 2013 14: 57
                  +1
                  Andrew, can I ask a question? who are you by nationality?
                  1. Andrey KZ
                    Andrey KZ 24 September 2013 15: 00
                    +1
                    Already answered, Ukrainian
                    1. T80UM1
                      T80UM1 24 September 2013 15: 04
                      +1
                      Plus your post, which is about the persecution in the KZ. You are doing good truth
                2. Kasym
                  Kasym 25 September 2013 00: 07
                  +3
                  Andrey, everything is correct. Medvedev and others are already here. Dad has not yet missed the chance to talk with Putin, and indeed, on the rights of an aksakal, he has to "tinker" "with his own kind." wink
              2. T80UM1
                T80UM1 24 September 2013 15: 10
                +1
                and which way? there are three ways as in a fairy tale, you can lose your head (USA), lose your horse (China) and be married (Russia)
              3. avt
                avt 24 September 2013 15: 20
                0
                Quote: Essenger
                He was on a visit to Kyzylorda, they danced and sang in general the old man is awake))) This is clearly a political signal, I hope to change the foreign policy vector.

                Good afternoon . Well, this is such a signal, but I will not argue. Well, with regards to the vector. Is it there at all? Well, in addition to the desire to be in Eurases, the mistress of the sea, to sit in the okyan-sea and so that the goldfish is on the parcels "? So those who wish, both in the southeast and in the west and southwest, need to read Pushkin's tale to the end, well, there where about a broken trough, which the CIS quite specifically demonstrated.
                Quote: Essenger
                So after exiting the vehicle everything is formed)))

                Well, this is childish babble on the lawn, and so it will take and form, well, just like in the cartoon "Last year's snow was falling" - "anu horns - grow back!" laughing , before that it was quite easy to argue
                Quote: Essenger
                . I am against an alliance with present-day Russia and Basta.

                It’s simple and clear, and no arguments against it are necessary. Why spend time then?
          2. Cuban
            Cuban 24 September 2013 11: 18
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            Kazakhs went through this in the first union when it was said we take over international relations, defense and our money (emission center) and you are loyal and pay taxes, internal administration, the court, the language, etc. we don’t mess with and what did you come to after a certain number of years?

            I don’t understand what period of time are you talking about? I will not say in terms of internal administration, courts and other things in the USSR, but in terms of language, neither you, the Kazakh SSR, nor others gave freedom. Everything was Russified. Russian was the main language. And please finish your thought, what did you come to in the nth number of years? from your point of view
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 24 September 2013 11: 44
              +4
              to independence.
      2. Zymran
        Zymran 24 September 2013 10: 18
        +8
        Quote: Semurg
        Our Slavic youth for an alliance for 90%, but after 15 years they will be in the absolute minority as they are leaving or have plans to leave Kazakhstan.


        When it became clear that the union means living with Russian prices, but with Kazakhstani salaries, supporters greatly diminished even among them. And by the way, in theory this tazosovka union should reduce the number of emigrants to Russia, but in fact, on the contrary, it only spurred migration flows.

        Quote: Semurg
        Well, my personal understanding of such a first union of Kazakhs and Russians is not an unambiguous result and probably a union is not needed, but good-neighborly relations are needed without suction in the gums and without throwing stones at each other.


        I totally agree. In principle, before the union, we always had good relations, as between two self-respecting neighbors.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 24 September 2013 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: Zymran

          When it became clear that the union means living with Russian prices, but with Kazakhstani salaries, supporters greatly diminished even among them.

          If the union is created, it will not follow the example of the USSR, it just will not work out now. Yes, and rapprochement should take place slowly, so that everything has time to get used to, otherwise it will fall apart again, only with even worse consequences.
      3. Deniska
        Deniska 24 September 2013 10: 34
        +7
        The main function of the union is to stabilize and improve economic ties. No one will teach you anything! You will also remain an independent country with its own economy. It doesn’t make you accept anyone’s currency as national, nor does anyone say that crowds of people are tearing you to occupy your jobs;)))) BROTHER
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 24 September 2013 10: 40
          +5
          God forbid that the words are not parted with deeds.
          Quote: Deniska
          The main function of the union is to stabilize and improve economic ties. No one will teach you anything! You will also remain an independent country with its own economy. It doesn’t make you accept anyone’s currency as national, nor does anyone say that crowds of people are tearing you to occupy your jobs;)))) BROTHER
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 25 September 2013 02: 21
            +2
            Quote: Semurg
            God forbid that the words are not parted with deeds.
            Quote: Deniska
            The main function of the union is to stabilize and improve economic ties. No one will teach you anything! You will also remain an independent country with its own economy. It doesn’t make you accept anyone’s currency as national, nor does anyone say that crowds of people are tearing you to occupy your jobs;)))) BROTHER

            I'm sorry "Deniska" when I wrote the answer did not notice. And you Brother ALEIKUM ASSALAM.
      4. Essenger
        Essenger 24 September 2013 12: 42
        +2
        Semurg,
        I'm less than 36, economic benefits do not play any role. I am against an alliance with present-day Russia and Basta.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 25 September 2013 00: 21
          +4
          And YOU, dear Essenger, excuse me, of course, you were sitting without work with small children? Or have your loved ones or neighbors never experienced? After all, we are talking about jobs, new factories, enterprises. It’s not y me, but y my friends, relatives, etc. there was a ringing coin in his pocket. Without markets, we’ll recover. Factories will be idle, we will go through natural resources and that’s all. Russia is not going to force their history and language, to impose something on us. Another thing is that the government is obliged to compensate for the increase in prices to the population - especially state employees. Making real salaries at the level of Russia - there are all the possibilities. They are obliged to act, otherwise the population will turn away from the vehicle. hi
      5. Kasym
        Kasym 24 September 2013 22: 19
        +3
        Hello. Sorry to interfere, dear Countrymen. But the meaning of the TS for Kazakhstan is visible in the following (and then EURASES):
        1. Economic. New jobs and rising welfare of citizens. Why open car assembly plants, develop the aircraft industry, build programs for raising agriculture? Where to put it all? 300 cars (by 000) where to go? Why do we need 2020 sah. factories? Why build a car and rail. roads are Western China - Western Europe, if the barrier is blocked at any moment on the border? You know, I drove loads from Moscow to Alma-Aty before and after the creation of the vehicle. BEFORE - I had to lose load at the border and apply all sorts of gray schemes, NOW - they will bring it to the warehouse and you only need to pay VAT for a month (Austrian goods) and payment by bank transfer. . ECONOMIC TRADE-ENGINE.
        2. Security. It is, as they say, no comment. I just want to add that in my opinion, the Union of Slavic and Turkic peoples will give us guarantees that we will remain as peoples, as an ethnic group and become one of the world centers. Such a Union will become a bone in the throat of all ill-wishers.
        At the same time, I understand perfectly well that we do not need a Union in which the decision to build a bathhouse or stadium was decided outside the Republic. But the unification of legislation, economic strategy, general positions (consensus) in foreign policy, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, and intelligence must necessarily be. Otherwise, there will be a mess. The criminals will be hiding in neighboring republics (because the laws are different), we will build giant competing enterprises, etc. etc. .
        So I’m only for the Union - I want my children not to know what war and hunger are. hi
        1. avt
          avt 24 September 2013 23: 24
          +2
          Quote: Kasym
          But the unification of legislation, economic strategy, general positions (consensus) in foreign policy, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, and intelligence must necessarily be. Otherwise, there will be a mess. The criminals will be hiding in neighboring republics (because the laws are different), we will build giant competing enterprises, etc. etc. .
          So I’m only for the Union - I want my children not to know what war and hunger are.

          hi But this is already quite a monopoly on the principle of a syndicate with supranational bodies and the problems in creating it, external and kindled from above inside the roof. And I don’t have any idea which side and how to solve it. There’s not enough economy here, I really need an idea without which the propaganda machine of such an alliance will really work at idle.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 24 September 2013 23: 45
            +3
            The idea is ONLY ONE - LIVING WELL, AT THE GUEST TO DRIVE TO ANOTHER AND TO GRAVE FROM SIDE.
            One cannot do without supranational bodies, including the parliament (the influential commission is at the end). Without this, it will be a dyrd and no Union will be obtained — one sign with some official who decides nothing. We now need real things, otherwise the neighbors will scatter over all sorts of NATO. We need a real increase in welfare - if the authorities do not understand this, then we will take time.
            hi
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 24 September 2013 23: 32
          +3
          Continuation. We are still taking our first steps in TS and not everyone likes everything. Including me. And the increased prices and not completely "pure play". But I think all these are costs, everything will be lost - there are opportunities for this. I mean, what to raise the social. payments and raise salaries y the government has the opportunity. For instance . Commercial production begins at Kashagan. Just a question: how will this be disposed of at the top. So let's see - everything is just beginning.
          It was not in history that the people liked the authorities. But the vector is set, in my opinion, correctly. In the south, with Uzbekistan, there are eternal problems, so far there is nothing to catch. Trade is low. In the east, China. But the political Union is not real, swallowed and not choked. But it’s very economically profitable - a big market (here it’s interesting: before joining the CU, China didn’t put our village, for example, they asked us to load grain into bags; now we are ready to read whether the permanent cross-border cooperation committee is open and to open villages). cheap and long money. Friendship is certainly necessary for this. In the west is the Caspian - but there are direct competitors to our exported goods (except for grain, except) and small markets. SO THAT ONLY RUSSIA. NO ALTERNATIVES. No wonder Nazarbayev has been talking about integration since the collapse of the USSR, then Central Asia, now with Russia. We need markets. According to Unesco estimates, one land in Kazakhstan can feed a billion people and are not hungry themselves. And we’ll close ourselves like Tashkent - nothing good will happen, we won’t be able to raise well-being. hi
          Recently I received guests from Kiev. "The authorities give you a breath - look how many jeeps, how many new cars. What roads, cameras are stuck, people are constantly running somewhere. And what about us? Yes, you were, you saw everything. 500 dollars. Is considered an acceptable salary in Kiev - and the prices for real estate are almost the same, or even higher. ". Something like this .
    2. T80UM1
      T80UM1 24 September 2013 12: 46
      +2
      A good signal would be if our prices for gasoline and other other goods fell. And this is such a theatrical trick.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 24 September 2013 13: 28
        +2
        Quote: T80UM1
        A good signal would be if our prices for gasoline and other other goods fell.


        So after exiting the vehicle everything is formed)))
  5. vvvvv
    vvvvv 24 September 2013 08: 38
    +2
    Why does someone minus the material - everything is said quite realistically. There are difficulties, but if you persistently follow your goals, then you can achieve them. The main thing is their people in the elites of other countries, as the Americans do. Yanukovych and Azarov are clearly not purely on personal fabrications headed for European integration. certainly their position was lobbied. Here is the fulfillment of Clinton's promises to me precisely in this. A very large bribe could be corny ...
  6. alexng
    alexng 24 September 2013 08: 42
    +4
    It would be nice if the picture in the article would have a garland and circles in more ways. Most likely it will. Serbia has already expressed a desire to join the CU. Armenia demon five minutes already in the union. The West is afraid of this union and will in every way impede this process. But the more they hinder, the faster the Eurasian Union will become a reality.
    1. Gari
      Gari 24 September 2013 09: 23
      +4
      Quote: alexneg
      It would be nice if the picture in the article would have a garland and circles in more ways. Most likely it will. Serbia has already expressed a desire to join the CU. Armenia demon five minutes already in the union


      We will be together in the new UNION!
      1. Gari
        Gari 24 September 2013 09: 43
        0
        Wow, they put the cons, on the site are two opponents of the Union, but I’m sure there will be more pluses
        1. alexng
          alexng 24 September 2013 12: 35
          +2
          Svidomo panties probably put silent cons.
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 24 September 2013 14: 06
          +1
          Quote: Gari
          on the site are two opponents of the Union

          One of them is me. Never hid it.
      2. avt
        avt 24 September 2013 15: 36
        +1
        Quote: Gari
        We will be together in the new UNION!

        WHAT !!! Well, let someone explain, well, except for spells about the past, which, alas, is gone. What kind of union and on what organizational legal basis will it be built !? So far, I see only the exploitation of the old CCCP brand, which, due to the lack of an ideology equal to the communist one, CANNOT be restored. Comments from Essenger and other comrades from the field, you are proof of this ... And the mythical Eurazes, like the muddy, optional Batkino, "union state" of Russia does not need and is dangerous for the integrity of existence with an abundance of national republics in its composition, which at one time quite specifically Babai Mentemir from Kazan spoke out, well, seeing Batkino's further steps, I understood that all this is empty razvodilovo and calmed down. Yes, we ourselves are in fact the existence and occupied territory of the Eurasian Union, with a single currency and a federal structure. We do not even need the option of the European Union, we are not Germany. And everything else will end with a headache like CMEA. And enough of the cons. , it is better to spend on something more specific.
  7. Roman_Romanich
    Roman_Romanich 24 September 2013 09: 09
    +3
    Ukraine, of course, spoils all raspberries now, if it joined the customs union, it would be just fine
    1. Gari
      Gari 24 September 2013 09: 40
      +1
      September 19th. The Armenian government approved a program of measures necessary for joining the Customs Union.
      Deputy Minister of Economy Karine Minasyan, who presented the program, said that on the instructions of the Presidents of Armenia and Russia, a negotiation group was formed with the aim of implementing preparatory work as part of the process of Armenia's accession to the CU.
      The program of measures, in particular, provides for a comparison of the documentation of the Customs Union with the legal base of Armenia and the international agreements signed by it
      1. Gari
        Gari 24 September 2013 09: 42
        0
        On September 3, the President of the Republic of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan announced the decision of the Republic of Armenia to join the Customs Union and take the necessary practical steps for this purpose, and subsequently participate in the formation of the Eurasian Economic Union.
        1. vlad_pr
          vlad_pr 24 September 2013 13: 10
          +2
          I think this is good. Since in their former design bureau (forgotten 70-80 years) they had "Nairi-4 AWP" - a specialized machine for the AWP of the Radio Designer. Not a bad car based on PDP 1140, but after debugging and minor improvements it worked perfectly. There have never been any problems with your engineers at the Nairi plant (I can be mistaken for the old days).
          Always found a common language. Moreover, you and we are civilizations with thousand-year history. Sincerely.
          1. Gari
            Gari 24 September 2013 14: 26
            0
            Quote: vlad_pr
            Always found a common language. Moreover, you and we are civilizations with thousand-year history. Sincerely.

            And a centuries-old joint history and one religion.
            Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill, together with the Catholicos of All Armenians Garegin II, lit up the cathedral of the Armenian Apostolic Church in Moscow.
            The largest Church of the Armenian Church outside of Armenia. The height of the building, which is located on the Olympic Avenue of Moscow, reaches 60 meters.
            Sincerely yours.
    2. Deniska
      Deniska 24 September 2013 10: 35
      +1
      Do you need her?
  8. Igarr
    Igarr 24 September 2013 09: 43
    +3
    You look at the outline map in the article ...
    and so it begs - Mongolia, Iran, Turkey, Syria.
    How nice it will be ... you can walk to Israel. Saudi Arabia sharply sticks its tongue in one place. The Black Sea will be all of ours.
    Dreams, dreams ... where is your sweetness?
    .
    Don't say gop until you jump.
    1. Deniska
      Deniska 24 September 2013 10: 36
      +4
      Yes, you old man dreamer))) For dreams +
  9. 787nkx
    787nkx 24 September 2013 10: 11
    +2
    What will we do if China asks for a vehicle?
    1. Gari
      Gari 24 September 2013 10: 28
      0
      Quote: 787nkx
      What will we do if China asks for a vehicle?

      You apparently present as a joke dear, but who knows.
      1. 787nkx
        787nkx 24 September 2013 10: 48
        +1
        In every joke ...
        TS is an open club, are we ready to see anyone there?
        1. Gari
          Gari 24 September 2013 10: 50
          +1
          Quote: 787nkx
          TS is an open club, are we ready to see anyone there?

          And I mean too
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 24 September 2013 10: 29
      0
      Quote: 787nkx
      What will we do if China asks for a vehicle?


      why, in China, without any blocks, everything is fine.
    3. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 24 September 2013 11: 54
      +1
      China requested in the USSR
  10. The comment was deleted.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 24 September 2013 10: 37
      +6
      Well, for some reason, Ukraine is in no hurry. Who else is left? The rest of the Slavic countries are already in the Eurozone.
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 24 September 2013 10: 38
      +5
      We are already here laughing ghouls, ghouls, etc. or the more familiar Chuchmeks, Kalbits, etc.?
      1. ROA
        ROA 24 September 2013 10: 47
        -8
        Well, who else are you if there was genocide of the Russian population in your countries?
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 24 September 2013 11: 20
          +2
          Quote: ROA
          Well, who else are you if there was genocide of the Russian population in your countries?

          And who contributed to this?
          The top of the Politburo.
          Excavate from the graves and defiantly hang.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 24 September 2013 11: 26
            +4
            Quote: ATATA
            Quote: ROA
            Well, who else are you if there was genocide of the Russian population in your countries?

            And who contributed to this?
            The top of the Politburo.
            Excavate from the graves and defiantly hang.

            dig out only during the day, but how they will come to life laughing
        2. Zymran
          Zymran 24 September 2013 11: 44
          +7
          And against Vasya the genocide and against the genocide Vasya ... (c)
        3. romb
          romb 24 September 2013 11: 45
          +4
          Honestly, I have not heard of a single fact that would indicate any genocide by the Kazakhs against other peoples living on the territory of Kazakhstan. You see we have a very knowledgeable person, therefore, if it does not bother you, be so kind as to indicate: when, where and how many of our citizens, we - Kazakhs, managed to "genocide"?
          Please, please, without verbiage - only facts.
          1. ROA
            ROA 24 September 2013 13: 47
            -5
            We live in Siberia a lot of people who fled from the South of Kazakhstan at the beginning of the 90x, from their stories the blood in the dwellers gets cold.
            1. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 24 September 2013 14: 15
              +5
              I live in the south of Kazakhstan.
              Quote: ROA
              We live in Siberia a lot of people who fled from the South of Kazakhstan at the beginning of the 90x, from their stories the blood in the dwellers gets cold.
              I declare you with all responsibility
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 24 September 2013 14: 47
                +2
                Why is it hot here, ours has been talking about it for a long time, and again characters like ROA appear like a devil from a snuffbox
              2. Semurg
                Semurg 24 September 2013 15: 46
                +4
                in the evening a "glamorous" one will appear and you will have to learn a lot about yourself Andrey for denying the genocide.
            2. romb
              romb 24 September 2013 15: 51
              +2
              Do not blame me, but you did not indicate the facts.
              from their stories, the blood in a living room gets cold.

              Share it!
              If you, of course, it will not be difficult.
        4. T80UM1
          T80UM1 24 September 2013 12: 40
          +1
          Ban pliz "unique", his nickname ROA - Russian Liberation Army speaks of his preferences for the Nazis.
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 24 September 2013 14: 09
            +4
            Quote: T80UM1
            Ban pliz "unique"


            Come on, without discrimination. I am for pluralism
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 24 September 2013 14: 46
              +1
              You will read his posts, all will smuggle in real or ostentatious chauvinism.
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 24 September 2013 14: 55
                +2
                Quote: T80UM1
                You will read his posts, all will smuggle in real or ostentatious chauvinism.


                If in some comments you see that he is crossing the borders, please comment. I do this. And calling to ban your account is not fair.
  11. major071
    major071 24 September 2013 10: 41
    +6
    Quote: 787nkx
    What will we do if China asks for a vehicle?

    Like what? Of course to accept! The more friends you have, the fewer enemies. laughing
    Although, on the other hand, we still have a predominance of poor-quality Chinese goods. Can trample quality? No.
  12. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 24 September 2013 10: 42
    0
    Yes, this Hilary Clinton is generally the last ...... to spoil Russia is for her high
  13. deman73
    deman73 24 September 2013 11: 24
    0
    Such a Soviet Union as it was no longer, it’s for sure, but we’ll see which new one it turns out.
  14. Andrew-88
    Andrew-88 24 September 2013 11: 28
    +3
    Good day to all!
    Yes, there really is not enough yellow-blue mug! They would unite all the Slavs. After all, how much has been done in the Soviet Union for science, military-industrial complex, national economy and industry by Ukrainian people !!! The Ukrainian land is rich in talented scientists and designers. It’s a pity that now politicians are separating us.
    And even more I feel sorry for the Ukrainian children. Indeed, in order to enter the CSS Ukraine must introduce unprecedented measures to support sexual minorities! Recently there was an article about how in the EU children from small years are accustomed to all sorts of perversions! The same thing awaits Ukrainian children! OUR SLAVIC CHILDREN! And Ukraine will have to very zealously introduce these crazy rules and regulations at home in order to show the EU that it really wants to join the European Union. Dales' plan in action ...
    But it gets very dark just before dawn ...
    I think that time will put everything in its place and everything will be OK with us !!!
  15. nurlangali
    nurlangali 24 September 2013 11: 32
    +2
    Quote: ROA
    Well, who else are you if there was genocide of the Russian population in your countries?

    Oops, one more trip, right now we’ll start listing who offended whom more, uncle 33 can remind you, and who turned a whole landfill into a whole republic.
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 24 September 2013 12: 41
      +1
      Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers of his ancestors-traitors mutated in the Great Patriotic War, so he freaks out ...
  16. denson06
    denson06 24 September 2013 11: 35
    0
    The Eurozone is clearly in a hurry with Ukraine ... it is in a hurry. But if Hillary herself is fiddling, then this is clearly contrary to their policy of "democratization" and we are on the right track .. hi
  17. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 24 September 2013 11: 57
    0
    The main thing is that we can agree with Central Asia and the Caucasus, but there are no Slavs with the brothers
  18. knn54
    knn54 24 September 2013 12: 21
    +4
    The economy is developing in the countries of Southeast Asia, European and American - without prospects, if it is not possible to seize our raw materials. An example is Krivorozhstal. The Indian bought iron ore in Ukraine at $ 200 per ton, after buying Krivorozhstal this ore costs him two orders of magnitude cheaper. Plants operate in Poland and Germany, at the plant - reduced working personnel by almost 50%. JUST needed a deposit!
    Upon joining the EC, enterprises will FINALLY close, the communal apartment will jump to the European level, and pensions, social guarantees, salaries in the draft agreements will not even be negotiated. And the countries of Central Asia face serious tasks to stabilize the economy and ensure security. And in the NEAR FUTURE of SOME, a change of power elites awaits. The EAC will guarantee that these processes do not follow the scenarios of the Arab Spring ...
  19. saag
    saag 24 September 2013 12: 25
    -4
    Quote: Essenger
    Nazarbayev did not go to the CSTO summit in Sochi. I think this is a good signal.

    Got sick?
    Quote: Semurg
    just started debugging

    And what do you mean, if the sale of resources, then everything was really debugged for a long time, leaving Kazakhstan for a blazera in the region of 20 percent
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 24 September 2013 13: 30
      +2
      Quote: saag
      Got sick?

      If about Nazarbayev, then he seems to be healthy.
  20. albanech
    albanech 24 September 2013 12: 25
    +2
    Until I see it myself - I don’t want to engage in empty chatter! Type can, can not, economy, durable, etc. Stop discussing - do it! Wait and see!
  21. honest jew
    honest jew 24 September 2013 12: 33
    +1
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    I think everything will work out for us, the main thing is to firmly stand our ground and go on a path that is foolproof.



    Today, Russia has introduced a temporary ban on the import of Belarusian pork and pork products into the country. The official reason is the unfavorable situation with African swine fever in Belarus, according to the Rosselkhoznadzor website.

    Rospotrebnadzor prohibits the import into Russia of almost 500 types of dairy products from Belarus due to the fact that manufacturers have not reissued permits in accordance with the requirements of the technical regulation, which entered into force in December 2008. According to Gazeta.Ru, this was stated by the chief state sanitary doctor of Russia Gennady Onishchenko.

    A new trade war may begin between Russia and Belarus: after the arrest of Uralkali CEO Vladislav Baumgertner in Belarus, claims about the quality of Belarusian milk arose from the head of Rospotrebnadzor Gennady Onishchenko.

    As the saying goes: "Friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart!"
  22. silver_roman
    silver_roman 24 September 2013 12: 49
    0
    Yeah. Ukraine behaves in its "nezalezhnaya" manner.
    It seems to me when the power will change, and it will change soon, because Regions create one chaos. Not for nothing that the GDP, after a 15-minute meeting with Yanyk, went to Medvedchuk to a summer residence in the Crimea. I think about the new candidate for the presidency of Ukraine it has already been decided and it is clear who will lose the support of Moscow, and who will receive it in full.
    And be that as it may, but integration within the EAC is much better than standing with an outstretched hand on the threshold of the EU for 100500 years in the hope of becoming a full partner. The EU is also not stupid. To accept a country with such (I'm not afraid of this word) huge economic, social, etc. problems in the composition of their "friendly family" - suicide. Germany alone will not cope.
    And there is one more point that can contribute to the entry of Ukraine into the EAC (CU):
    namely, the factor that the majority of the "powerful" in Ukraine make a profit in "dirty" money, i.e. corruption flourishes as does lawlessness. In the EU, all these fellow oligarchs are quickly jailed and the fairy tale is over. So Ukraine may well take a position or drift as it is now, or it will be forced to join the CU. But the irony is that our oligarchs are also not made with a finger. In short, there are options and predicting something is not a rewarding business!
    P.S. I, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, come from Ukraine, Nizhyn, Chernihiv Oblast, for joining the EAC (CU) only because the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine are the fist of Slavism and Orthodoxy. If you break it, it will be the beginning of the end in perspective. Zbigniew Brzezinski knows this very well and has built his career on it - be he rest in peace, even though the dog is still alive !!!!
  23. fzr1000
    fzr1000 24 September 2013 13: 10
    +4
    Not everything is clear to me with the TS. It is not clear why lame ducks like Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are needed in it. They will take more from Russia than give. Or quality doesn’t matter now, will we take it in quantity? Expanding Russia's sphere of influence? Well, even without a vehicle, these countries are already dependent on Russia.
    Without Ukraine, the TS will be a neutered brainchild, unfortunately.
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 24 September 2013 13: 26
      +1
      You're not right. All the Republics you listed, and now the States, made a feasible and big contribution to the piggy bank of the former USSR. This includes minerals and highly processed products, as well as the potential of scientific and design ideas. If you are bored, list for yourself in the mind the names of many designers and scientists ... and draw a conclusion. Without fanaticism, just think for 5-10 minutes. Unfortunately, Ukraine (as I believe) is a cut chunk, yes, with blood and pain, resentment to trembling hands, but alas, ah. Moreover, friends, colleagues, colleagues from the former work remain there ... Regards.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 24 September 2013 13: 48
        +2
        And then what happened under the USSR? What highly processed products from Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan are currently in stock? What other scientific and design school can be from there? Where does it come from? Come down from heaven. The current situation is such that these states will take a lot, and there will be tears of the positive. I don't even know what this "positive" can be. Plus, the uncontrolled number of migrants with a mentality alien to Russia will double. Although this is a minus ...
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 24 September 2013 15: 11
          0
          Torpedoes bully Kyrgyzstan, plant "Dastan". The Russian Navy is 100% dependent on it
          Tajikistan - "Window" complex
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 24 September 2013 17: 32
            0
            Few arguments, to be honest. "Window" and so belongs to the de jure of the Russian Federation.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 24 September 2013 13: 57
        +2
        I disagree. As for me, these "independent states" are a brake on any union union. Pieces of earth filled with hungry mouths and nothing more. What once was in Soviet times is a story from which only a bitter taste remains. But Ukraine (do not think that I elevate Ukraine, because I myself am not the best thought about it) is a big chunk of the former Slavic community both in terms of human and natural resources, and in terms of culture and community of peoples. You can't surrender Ukraine to the EU!
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 24 September 2013 14: 02
          +1
          I think Ukraine itself is a brake)
          1. Sour
            Sour 24 September 2013 14: 10
            +1
            Like it or not, any union in the CIS will be created around Russia, or will not be created at all.
            This union simply cannot have another center.
            In Ukraine, the attitude towards Russia is definitely not better than in Lithuania or Latvia. And it’s definitely worse than in Armenia or Azerbaijan. By the strength of anti-Russian sentiment, Ukraine is on a par with the Baltic states and Georgia. And also with the USA and Israel.
            And I would like to ask all supporters of the idea of ​​"Slavic unity" a question - why don't you unite with the Poles or Croats? Still, Slavs ...
            1. Gari
              Gari 24 September 2013 14: 47
              0
              Quote: Sour
              And definitely worse than in Armenia

              The Armenian society, by and large, considers it a priority to strengthen ties with the countries of the former USSR, in particular Russia, than with the European Union. 92% of Armenians consider Russia a friendly country, and more than 50% favor closer integration with Russia. This was stated at a press conference in Yerevan on June 24, 2013 by the director of the Armenian office of Gallup International Association Aram Navasardyan.
              By the way, this survey was conducted before the statement of President Serzh Sargsyan on Armenia’s entry into the Customs Union.
              This is an official survey for you, but in fact I can say with responsibility that it is who doesn’t believe. Welcome to Armenia. See for yourself what attitude Russians have to Russia in Armenia.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 24 September 2013 15: 02
                0
                and Armenians have no other choice. If they lose the support of the Russian Federation, then Azerbaijan will very quickly reduce Armenia to no. By the way, there were rumors that Armenia has a certain cooperation with the EU and the states. The question is that this cooperation is limited only by the desire of the latter. Otherwise, that Armenia would be sold and would not have time to blink.
                and in general to connect the future of the EAC with Armenia - counting on it is like building a house on a crystal foundation.
                I agree with Comrade Kisly in one:
                Like it or not, any union in the CIS will be created around Russia, or will not be created at all.
                1. Gari
                  Gari 24 September 2013 17: 25
                  0
                  Quote: silver_roman
                  If they lose the support of the Russian Federation, then Azerbaijan will very quickly reduce Armenia to no.

                  Already tried once failed.
                  Quote: silver_roman
                  in general, to connect the future of the EAU with Armenia - counting on it is like building a house on a crystal foundation.

                  And nobody asks you, Ukraine seems to be looking at Europe
                  1. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 24 September 2013 17: 34
                    0
                    Already tried once failed.

                    I kind of clearly wrote: "WITHOUT RUSSIAN SUPPORT". maybe you own some kind of alternative version of history!
                    And nobody asks you, Ukraine seems to be looking at Europe

                    Who are you? Of people? Men? Slavs? or do you make a conclusion on the flag that determines the location of a person by IP ????
                    The fact that I am in Ukraine does not mean anything!
                  2. Gari
                    Gari 24 September 2013 17: 35
                    0
                    Well, when there are no arguments and arguments, I go the cons
                    And we’ll create the Union anyway, and of course Russia will be the basis, as always in history
                    Russian empire
                    THE USSR.
                    1. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 24 September 2013 18: 14
                      0
                      I apologize. Your message about the arguments is addressed to me ???
                      If so, then I note that I see no reason to argue for knowingly false information. If not for me, then I apologize!
              2. vlad_pr
                vlad_pr 24 September 2013 15: 12
                +2
                I apologize for the remark, apparently not in a line, at the moment I work in a federal office, I am engaged in procurement according to the order of 94-FZ, in competitions (my favorite word "tender" is a steam accumulator for a steam locomotive, in Russian legislation there is NO such concept, that's all In extreme cases, "procurement"), including construction and finishing work. Based on the experience of holding tenders, auctions and quotations since 2002, I can state that builders from Armenia share 1-2 places in terms of speed and quality of work with ours, local (not shabashniki), then, let's say, a big gap, masquevichi, Chinese, Hindus, Azerbaijanis (very scandalous and touchy. This is my personal experience, other opinions are possible. Respectfully yours.
                1. Gari
                  Gari 24 September 2013 17: 43
                  0
                  Quote: vlad_pr
                  According to the experience of holding contests, auctions and quotes since 2002, I can say that builders from Armenia share 1-2 places in terms of speed and quality of work with our local (not co-workers)

                  My dear, now deceased father, was a building architect, department head, and their design institute was a huge 16-story building in Yerevan. So they designed and built different buildings, but mainly defense plants and enterprises throughout the Union, all the time my father was on business trips from Tashkent to Leningrad
                  Now there is no longer that Great country, and this institute too
                  Unfortunately.
            2. silver_roman
              silver_roman 24 September 2013 14: 59
              0
              I do not agree. I live in Ukraine and many FOR Russia. Of course, if you take the west, then anti-Russian sentiments prevail there, but the east is still ours)).
              1. Sour
                Sour 24 September 2013 15: 13
                -2
                Of course, if you take the west, then anti-Russian sentiments prevail there, but the east is still ours)
                What are you saying ????
                Oh really??
                That Yushchenko, that Yanukovych are both anti-Russian politicians. And neither one nor the other have nothing to do with Western Ukraine. Like Tymoshenko and Kuchmy too. However, like Petlyura and Mazepa. There is no need to tell tales about Eastern Ukraine. The Russophobian region is just as frantic as Galicia. Yes, like all of Ukraine.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 24 September 2013 15: 25
                  +1
                  I completely agree on the account, but Yanyk put himself as a purely pro-Russian politician.
                  The signing of the Kharkov agreement, the settlement of gas issues.
                  So do not be unfounded. Another thing is that they turned Yanukovych in the other direction. And here is why this has already happened question.
                  and your sarcasm is not appropriate!

                  That Yushchenko, that Yanukovych are both anti-Russian politicians. And neither one nor the other have nothing to do with Western Ukraine.

                  and what does IT mean !!! ???
                  I'm talking about people, not about two people.
                  Have you ever been to Ukraine?
                  1. Sour
                    Sour 24 September 2013 16: 00
                    -1
                    Another thing is that they turned Yanukovych in the other direction. And here is why this has already happened question.
                    Well, of course, the Russian oligarchs and the "Putin regime" are to blame for everything. Who else? Matskali is always to blame for everything.
                    There was a "pro-Russian" Yanyk, but when faced with angry matskaly, he realized that he needed to be closer to Europe.
                    This is already a well-worn, Russophobic, Nazi album.
                    1. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 24 September 2013 16: 32
                      +1
                      You know, I have not yet encountered such inadequacy. sorry, but it is.
                      I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, I just live in Ukraine now. I respect Putin very much and support him in every possible way.
                      But you seem to have a very one-sided position and it is possible if one of the Ukrainians turns away from Russia, thanks to people like you!
                      but thank God I have lived half my life in Russia and I know the true attitude there towards the Ukrainians. It, by the way, is much more loyal than yours.
                      1. Sour
                        Sour 24 September 2013 17: 11
                        -1
                        but thank God I have lived half my life in Russia and I know the true attitude there towards the Ukrainians. It, by the way, is much more loyal than yours.
                        And I have lived all my life in Russia. With the exception of two years of military service.
                        According to surveys, 13 to 15% of Russians favor unification with Ukraine. I think the figure is very high. As always, polls lie. A maximum of 3% is typed. I personally am not familiar with any supporter of unification with Ukraine.
                      2. Semurg
                        Semurg 24 September 2013 17: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: Sour
                        but thank God I have lived half my life in Russia and I know the true attitude there towards the Ukrainians. It, by the way, is much more loyal than yours.
                        And I have lived all my life in Russia. With the exception of two years of military service.
                        According to surveys, 13 to 15% of Russians favor unification with Ukraine. I think the figure is very high. As always, polls lie. A maximum of 3% is typed. I personally am not familiar with any supporter of unification with Ukraine.

                        something that does not believe in such numbers 3%, and even 15% hurt a little?
                      3. Sour
                        Sour 24 September 2013 19: 00
                        +1
                        Judging by the Internet, I can’t believe it, it hurts a little.
                        And you walk along the streets of Russian cities and villages and ask people how they feel about the prospect of unification with Ukraine? You will be very surprised. Well, there will be 2-3 percent, mainly those who have relatives there. And in general in Russia, the idea of ​​unification with someone is extremely unpopular.
                        Russians are called bad patriots, but this is a superficial view of things. Yes, we love to scold our country. But here are the statistics. From 1990 to 2000 (the most difficult years) about a little more than a million people left Russia for permanent residence abroad. Less than one percent of the population over 10 years is simply a tiny amount of emigration. Moreover, of this million, about 400 thousand are Germans and Jews who left Russia before that.
                        So we really love our country very much, no kidding. And we don't want to leave, and we don't want to unite with anyone either. And "imperial sentiment" is internet chatter, nothing more. They are alien to the overwhelming majority of Russians.
                      4. Semurg
                        Semurg 24 September 2013 19: 42
                        +1
                        Clear. well if "imperial sentiment" is internet chatter.
                  2. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 25 September 2013 10: 35
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                    the statistics you provided in principle cannot be reliable, because In Russia, more than 3 percent of the population of indigenous Ukrainians - emigrants and those who are loyal to Ukraine (by means of family ties, etc.) In addition, the generation of our fathers and mothers, i.e. who are already over 60-70.
                    In addition, statistics are usually written for someone. Under the one who benefits from one brotherly people drove to another. There were mistakes on both sides, but if we allow the sad factors that were artificially created in the 90s to prevail, then our enemies will eventually achieve their goals - they will destroy us!
                    Or do you think that Syshya, NATO with its Yues marins are true democratizers and wash their hands to the bone every day, if only they were all free and happy ????
          2. Arabist
            Arabist 24 September 2013 15: 29
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            Have you been there yourself or live in Ukraine? I was in Kiev in 2009 and everyone was very friendly, until I met a woman from Lvov - right through my teeth - "A, Russian." So you're the storyteller.
            1. Sour
              Sour 24 September 2013 15: 53
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              I was in Ukraine. Both in Soviet times and in post-Soviet.
              And I know many friends who live there or have already dumped them from there.
              I was in Kiev in 2005. The store refused to serve because he did not speak "mov". I admit there are other stores there. But don't sing to me about "very friendly". In my opinion, in Germany or Italy (I've also been there), Russians are treated a hundred times better than in Ukraine. You yourself are a storyteller.
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 24 September 2013 14: 58
      +1
      I would not say that. brake those who are in power. In Ukraine, factories are being actively transformed into shopping malls, production is falling at an accelerated pace, but still something remains. If you recall, in Ukraine there was a huge number of production capacities of the USSR and, with competent leadership, everything was difficult, but possible to restore.
  • avt
    avt 24 September 2013 17: 22
    +1
    Quote: fzr1000
    Without Ukraine, the TS will be a neutered brainchild, unfortunately.

    And the TS is so a neutered offspring. This is the circumcision of the CIS from those who do not want anything at all except solemn meetings and filming against the background of their flags. This is at least some kind of movement in terms of fulfilling our own decisions with assuming at least small obligations with an attempt at their subsequent fulfillment.
  • Sour
    Sour 24 September 2013 13: 54
    +3
    The re-creation of the USSR is impossible, since it is impossible to re-establish the monolithic and monopoly ruling party, and only the USSR rested on this. One or another form of integration is possible (customs, military-political, etc.), but we must forget once and for all about a single state. There are no and are not foreseen any prerequisites for this. Different states have developed with different political systems and different interests of the ruling circles.
    As for Ukraine, its integration into the CU is impossible due to strong anti-Russian sentiments. Moreover, these sentiments are shared by everyone - the Banderaites, liberals, conservatives and communists. Only some talk about their dislike for the "damned motskals", and others about their dislike for the "Putin regime." But in fact, there is no difference. It is no coincidence that there are many parties in Ukraine, but there are no influential pro-Russian political forces. Such a party in Ukraine will never have an electorate. And it's time for all supporters of brotherhood and unity to finally wipe their brains, and soberly, without illusions, look at Ukraine.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 24 September 2013 15: 04
      +2
      The USSR was too idealistic and even disinterested. Only one point is that the republics that are members of the UNION had every right to decide to leave them or to remain in the USSR. For example, in Syshya, no state can arbitrarily voluntarily go out and become independent. Texas has been wanting for a long time and there are resources for all this!
  • Sour
    Sour 24 September 2013 13: 58
    +2
    Quote: fzr1000
    What highly processed products from Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan are currently available?

    Wipers, laborers and market traders are available. And from Moldova, Georgia and Azerbaijan there are man purse, pickpockets and robbers.
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 24 September 2013 14: 48
      0
      This is the visible tip of the iceberg, well reflected in the paintings of Kustodiev and Miriskustnikov (Russian types). Go to any bazaar, even dried fruits. In addition, excellent juices, preserves, jams (look at the "dry ration", from which they are prepared. For industry: aluminum, piezo crystals (I hope you know what it is, if not, disassemble your computer or TV, let it be produced by foreign companies, but on the territory Russia (localization of production, i.e. from local components), nitrogenous components (gunpowder, explosives, in a certain percentage, since the Russian Federation has not fully localized production after the collapse of the Union, uranium ... And so on in many directions . Yours faithfully.
      1. Sour
        Sour 24 September 2013 14: 55
        +1
        Go to any bazaar, even dried fruits. In addition, excellent juices, preserves, jams (look at the "sukhpay", from which they are made.
        Go to any market, there are plenty of bananas. Offer to unite with Africa? Your logic is just that.
        For industry: aluminum
        Russia takes the 2nd place in the world in aluminum production. In the post-Soviet space, after Russia comes Tajikistan, which produces aluminum 10 times less than Russia.
        Best regards
        1. vlad_pr
          vlad_pr 24 September 2013 15: 30
          +1
          Look at the schemes for the sale of products, taking into account tolling and processing of "pressure raw materials". Everything is in the open reports of private companies-owners. Pricing, and why for the military-industrial complex and industry, suddenly "native" aluminum or copper becomes gold. Also export items and sales volumes of non-ferrous metals abroad ...
          Sincerely.
          1. Sour
            Sour 24 September 2013 15: 45
            +1
            And yet, I see no reason to merge in ecstasy with Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan. Not a single... Whatever highly wise terms are given. I am firmly and unconditionally convinced (and the conviction has every reason) that unification with someone will give Russia nothing. Not in the field of economics, not in any other industry. And I was born, raised, live and will live in Russia. And for me this is primary. We used to buy all these "preserves and jams" for money, and we are buying them now. Nobody ever gave them to us, the Russians. Enough to make a feeder from our Russia for everyone. Especially if those who wish are Russophobes to the core.
            I remember Soviet times very well. When the Union collapsed, I was already in my 4th decade. Under the Soviet Union, my native Russian province lived the worst of all. What are "dried fruits and jams" there ?? !! Except for vinegar, canned fish and barley, it was difficult to buy something, except in a "co-shop" or in the market, for big money. And the "brotherly peoples" were bursting with fat and told their children fairy tales about "lazy, drunken and stupid Russians." Even absolutely useless and incapable of anything Georgians built themselves 2-storey cottages and bought "Volga" cars. At the same time, they had a favorite pastime - to laugh at Russian poverty. Now the situation has changed a lot. And I personally do not want to return to the old. Enough with the Union. I lived in the Soviet Union, now I will live without it.
  • gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 24 September 2013 14: 26
    +1
    Let's see how the Eurasian Union survives the withdrawal of ISAF troops from Afghanistan. Which states in the territories of the former USSR will remain in place by mid-2015 after the impending consequences of the withdrawal, and then it will be possible to talk about the prospects!
    1. Sour
      Sour 24 September 2013 14: 35
      0
      Are you talking about the "coming invasion of the Taliban"? If so, it’s not even funny.
      The states of Central Asia have primarily internal problems.
      And partisan formations (like the Taliban) are able to wage war only on their own land, with the support of the local population, speaking the same language with them. That's why they are partisans.
      An invasion requires a regular army — with supplies, reconnaissance, heavy weapons, and aircraft.
      If there is a threat from the Taliban, then it is purely ideological. But this is not a question of 2015.
      1. densh
        densh 24 September 2013 15: 20
        +1
        In Tajikistan, in the early 90s, local "vovchiks" and "yurchiks" slaughtered each other without much help from the Taliban. I don’t think that since then the contradictions have disappeared.
        make porridge there, a lot of effort is not needed.
        1. Sour
          Sour 24 September 2013 15: 30
          0
          All this "mess" ended before the NATO troops entered Afghanistan.
          Once again, all the problems of Central Asia, these are internal problems. If they are, then there is a civil war. And the presence of NATO in Afghanistan does not affect anything.
          1. densh
            densh 24 September 2013 15: 39
            0
            And how long will the current Afghan power hold out after NATO’s withdrawal, and who will replace it?
            1. Sour
              Sour 24 September 2013 15: 48
              0
              Whoever replaces is primarily an Afghan problem.
              The Taliban were already in power there. So what? Occupied Central Asia? They could not even really control their own north.
              Personally, it makes no difference who is in power. Whoever is, there will still be an internal war.
              1. densh
                densh 24 September 2013 16: 20
                +1
                Since then, much has changed. Plans to transfer jihad to Central Asia have existed for a long time and if you do not interfere, then you can get a war at your own borders. If you do not care, then I'm sorry. request
                1. Sour
                  Sour 24 September 2013 16: 28
                  0
                  I have already said several times. If you do not understand, I repeat.
                  "Jihad" in Central Asia is possible, but it can only be a consequence domestic, local issues, and Afghanistan has nothing to do with it. It has absolutely no effect on the situation in Central Asia.
                  Therefore, I repeat - the situation in Afghanistan interests me no more than the situation in Honduras. The entry of NATO troops into Afghanistan has never improved the security of Russia. Rather, the opposite. Drugs from there began to arrive more.
                  Although, it is clear that Ukraine has strong sympathies for NATO. But I do not live in Ukraine. And it makes no difference to me whether the pro-Western regime will stay in Afghanistan or not. There is no use for the present Afghan regime for Russia, it has not been and will not be. That the Taliban, that Karzai - no difference.
                  1. densh
                    densh 24 September 2013 16: 56
                    0
                    Those. you can sleep peacefully until the martyrs appear on the streets. yes
                2. gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer 24 September 2013 16: 40
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                  Since then, much has changed. Plans to transfer jihad to Central Asia have existed for a long time and if you do not interfere, then you can get a war at your own borders. If you do not care, then I'm sorry. request


                  You are right. In Central Asia, the same problems as in the Russian Federation, only in caricature. Plus, open borders with Afghanistan and Iran.
          2. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 24 September 2013 16: 37
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            Once again - all the problems of Central Asia, these are internal problems




            You will explain the same to the population of Omsk, Chelyabinsk, Orenburg, Astrakhan, Saratov, Novosibirsk regions. And to the demoralized inhabitants of Moskvabad and Piterkala.
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 24 September 2013 16: 54
            +1
            And the presence of NATO in Afghanistan does not affect anything.

            it affects only drug trafficking, which increased by 1000% with the introduction of NATO troops into Afghanistan. Even the Taliban. when they had a certain power, they fought against drugs. And tens of thousands of people per year die from heroin in Russia!
        2. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 24 September 2013 16: 35
          0
          In Tajikistan, in the early 90s, local "vovchiks" and "yurchiks" slaughtered each other without much help from the Taliban. I don’t think that since then the contradictions have disappeared.
          make porridge there, a lot of effort is not needed.


          Absolutely.
      2. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 24 September 2013 16: 33
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        Are you talking about the "coming invasion of the Taliban"? If so, it’s not even funny.



        The Taliban will not invade. There is no need. The personnel of future units are in place, in sufficient numbers. In 2015 there will be a final stage.
        1. Sour
          Sour 24 September 2013 16: 43
          0
          Well, of course, Russia's security rests on NATO troops in Afghanistan ... as soon as they leave ... horror!
          We urgently go to ask Obama not to withdraw troops from there.
          laughing
          The NATO troops in Afghanistan are only engaged in self-protection, and nothing more. If the Taliban could start a war in Central Asia, they would start long ago, and your Americans would not stop them. Rather, they would help, as they are helping the Islamists in Syria. So keep your horror stories with you. The fewer American troops in the region, the better for Russia.
          1. densh
            densh 24 September 2013 17: 33
            0
            Well, let them continue to engage in self-defense there, the Taliban will have something to do on the spot. Or are you not enough examples of Syria with their terrorist international?
          2. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 24 September 2013 18: 18
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            The NATO troops in Afghanistan are only engaged in self-protection, and nothing more.




            How to do anything? Organization of drug trafficking in indirect ways, the supply of weapons and weapons. The coalition forces will not completely leave Afghanistan. They will leave several or one small base for reconnaissance and assistance to the Taliban. Horror stories or not, but 201 base in Tajikistan will be thoroughly strengthened. The consequences of the lack of measures to protection and control of the Russian-Kazakh border, the population of the Russian Federation is living on itself. Practice will show.
      3. fzr1000
        fzr1000 24 September 2013 22: 32
        0
        Well, this is, as it were ... your theory of partisan formations is refuted by the situation in Syria, and in Iraq with Libya. Of course they are not entirely local, but .... everything changes.
    2. avt
      avt 24 September 2013 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: gunnerminer
      Let's see how the Eurasian Union survives the withdrawal of ISAF troops from Afghanistan.

      You will not see anything, it simply does not exist and whether it will be known.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 24 September 2013 18: 20
        +1
        You will not see anything, it simply does not exist and whether it will be known.




        Or so.
  • honest jew
    honest jew 24 September 2013 15: 10
    +1
    Quote: Essenger
    I think Ukraine itself is a brake)


    China has signed a contract for the agricultural cultivation of three million hectares of Ukrainian land for a period of 50 years, which means that this Eastern European country gives 5 percent of the total area or 9 percent of its agricultural land to feed the growing population of China.

    Under the terms of the deal between Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, or XPCC and the Ukrainian agricultural company KSG Agro, grain and pigs raised in the Dnipropetrovsk region will be sold at discounted prices to two state-owned grain companies in China. The project starts with one hundred thousand acres and will eventually expand to three million. Here is some context for what it looks like:

    The deal became possible after Ukraine lifted the ban on the purchase of its land by foreigners last year. As part of the deal, the China Import-Export Bank provided Ukraine with a $ 3 billion loan for agricultural development. In exchange for its products, Ukraine will receive seeds, equipment, a fertilizer plant (Ukraine imports fertilizers about a billion dollars annually), and a plant for the production of plant protection agents. XPCC also states that it will help build a highway in the Ukrainian Autonomous Republic of Crimea, as well as a bridge across the Kerch Strait, which is the country's transport and industrial center.
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 24 September 2013 15: 22
      +1
      Do not look, but Ukrainian farmers (independent) rent less than 4 million hectares of agricultural land. China will crush them. With respect.
  • waisson
    waisson 24 September 2013 15: 10
    +1
    it’s a pity, of course, that the brothers Ukrainians do not see the benefits, but doy God. God judge them
    1. Sour
      Sour 24 September 2013 15: 16
      +1
      don't see the benefits
      The most unreliable friends are those who are friends because of the "benefit".
      Throw at any time. Yes, and a knife stuck in the back.
      Less such friends.
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 24 September 2013 20: 24
    +2
    Long live Union 2.0! Prosperity, education, science and culture! We will no longer allow such a breakthrough formation to fall apart when countries unite not according to ancient religion, not by origin. And for the sake of a common goal - a secular powerful alliance. But we will not let the old mistakes happen.