Expert: Belarusian bureaucracy is engaged in the apology of violence, terror and Russophobia

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Expert: Belarusian bureaucracy is engaged in the apology of violence, terror and Russophobia"The task of people in favor of triumph historical the truth is to achieve the restoration in Minsk of the monument to the great reformer, whom Alexander II was. And let the revolutionary nationalist myth of "Kastus Kalinovsky" remain the property of political extremists and Russophobes, "said a Belarusian historian, candidate of historical sciences Alexander Bendin, a REGNUM correspondent.

“The myth of“ Kastus Kalinovsky ”does not disappear from our public life, largely due to the support of that part of the bureaucracy that manages ideologies and culture,” Bendin stated. In his opinion, this fact testifies to the "schizophrenic splitting of bureaucratic consciousness" when a fighter for Polish national interests is placed on the podium of the hero of Belarusian history.

“Kalinowski is a political adventurer who fought for the restoration of Polish domination over the liberated Belarusian population, Catholicism over Orthodoxy, for the realization of interests and goals completely alien to the overwhelming majority of the Belarusian people. And they are going to perpetuate it in the monument“ 1000 anniversary of Belarusian statehood ( personalities in the history of Belarus) "." This blatant contradiction does not bother the plain bureaucratic heads, "the Belarusian historian noted. In his opinion, the very idea of ​​establishing such a monument in Minsk, such as installed in 1862 year in Veliky Novgorod monument 1000-anniversary of Russian statehood, indicates an acute shortage of creative ideas for Belarusian officials, their penchant for mindless imitation and imitation.

“The myth of Kalinowski is a time bomb, which, thanks to the efforts of the bureaucracy, is being laid under the foundation of the Belarusian state. This nationalist myth is an apology for revolutionary violence, terror and Russophobia. In modern conditions it acts as an ideological tool for mobilizing political extremists, cynical political dealers and persons with an unbalanced psyche. The myth of Kalinovsky is destructive for the state and dangerous for the unity of the Belarusian society, it provokes a social gresii, appeals to religious and ethnic revenge ", - stated the scientist.

According to the expert, the desire of officials to rank Vikentiy Konstantin Kalinovsky among the pillars of Belarusian statehood is a clear confirmation that “evil and suffering caused by ruthless revolutionary violence receive official support from the Belarusian bureaucracy. This fact speaks of the moral inferiority of the bureaucracy, its apparent inability to distinguish good and evil. "

It is significant, said Bendin, that honoring the memory of the ideologist of revolutionary terrorism in modern Belarus takes place in parallel with the bureaucracy’s decisive rejection of the public initiative to restore the monument to the Russian emperor Alexander II destroyed by the Bolsheviks in 1917.

“Any educated person is well aware of the historical actions of this emperor. Alexander II abolished serfdom and implemented a series of deep social reforms that had a long-term positive impact on the socio-economic and cultural development of the population of Belarusian lands,” Bendin recalled.

“The primitively motivated refusal to restore the monument to Alexander II in Minsk is evidence of the social irresponsibility of the local bureaucracy,” said the Belarusian scientist. “Alexander II is a great reformer and creator who asserted the legal and political conditions for the progressive, evolutionary development of the country.”

According to the historian, one should pay attention to the peculiarity of the modern Belarusian bureaucracy’s outlook: “The ungrateful and ignorant bureaucracy refuses to perpetuate the memory of the reformer of the Belarusian peasantry, who deeply honored their tsar-liberator. And the same bureaucracy honors Kalinovsky’s memory of revolutionary destroyers, terrorists and social demagogues. The officials responsible for the cultural education of the nation are not entitled to seek examples of state and patriotic service to individuals who were spokesmen for revolutionary and nationalistic pathology. "

Recall that in August the authorities of Belarus informed a group of Belarusian intelligentsia, seeking restoration of the monument to Alexander II in Minsk, about the unwillingness to restore the monument in Minsk, as well as about the unwillingness to create an expanded expert committee with the participation of the public of the city. Since the beginning of the year, Belarusian scientists and NGO representatives have held several public discussions of their initiative, wrote two collective appeals to the city authorities, but were refused, informed the publication “Western Russia”. In the latter case, the Minsk City Executive Committee referred to the opinion of the Institute of History of the Academy of Sciences of Belarus, whose staff made a groundless conclusion, stating: “The contradictory, unevenly estimated role of Alexander II in the history of Belarus in modern historical science and society. Restoration of the monument to Alexander II may appear as a demonstration of the symbolism of the Russian autocracy on the Belarusian lands and will be ambiguous perceived in society. " At the same time, the Minsk City Executive Committee demonstrated the unambiguity of the positive perception of the personality of the Polish terrorist Vikentiy Konstantin Kalinowski, by placing a plaque in the center of Minsk.

As REGNUM news agency reported, at the same time with supporters of the restoration in Minsk (not necessarily at the same place) of the monument to Tsar-reformer Alexander II, another group operates in the city, seeking to create and establish in the Belarusian capital a separate monument to one of the leaders of the 19th century Polish rebels Konstantin Kalinovsky. In the letters received from the Minsk City Executive Committee by the organization "Alternative", seeking to install the monument to Kalinowski, the authorities noted the "inexpediency" of the implementation of this idea, since his personality will be immortalized in the monument "1000 anniversary of the Belarusian statehood (personality in the history of Belarus)." In addition, according to the official responses of the authorities, Belarus has done quite a lot to perpetuate the memory of Kalinowski: monuments have been erected, theater plays have been staged, etc. However, both groups intend to pursue their intentions.
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  1. +1
    24 September 2013 15: 18
    Well ... And then the thousand-year-old independence
  2. +7
    24 September 2013 15: 22
    I don’t know ... how many times I have been to Belarus, I have never met a nationalist. for the most part very friendly people who have not forgotten the general historical past.
    py.s. half Belarus himself was born in Mogilev
    1. Arabist
      +3
      24 September 2013 15: 25
      I support, was in 2012 no one showed any nationalist sentiments. Another "expert" who probably hasn't even been to Belarus.
      1. +1
        24 September 2013 16: 11
        Maybe then a provocation? Someone stirs up water between fraternal peoples
        1. +7
          24 September 2013 16: 37
          And you go to tut.by and read any news, or rather the comments under the news - even the Indians from the Caucasus Center don't have so much anger and bile, and the question is what negative comments are written by Belarusian "political emigrants" living in Poland. There it is an obligation to confirm their "Hramadzyanskay svyadomastsi" (Russian civic consciousness) to obtain the status of a political emigrant, it is necessary to arrange a govnosrach at Belarusian and Russian forums.
          1. goldfinger
            +4
            24 September 2013 17: 10
            [quote = abdrah] And you go to tut.by and read any news, or rather the comments under the news, even the Indians from the Caucasian Center don't have so much anger and bile, and the question is what negative comments are written by Belarusian "political emigrants" living in Poland. This is an obligation to confirm one's "gramadzyansky svyadomastsi" (civic consciousness of Russian). To obtain the status of a political emigrant, it is necessary to arrange a govnosrach on Belarusian and Russian forums.
            I agree. On the same website, flows of bile on Belarus are poured mainly by Russian visitors. And there they are not banned, here on VO they would be for something like that, they would be deprived of their account. Tut.by is the "fifth column". The owners - with a surname similar to this would-be historian. Though there are few of them, but it is too "odorous!"
            1. +1
              24 September 2013 18: 47
              And what do you want, here. Google belongs to who pays that girl and dances. And at the expense of comments, not everything is so bad there, 50/50 is about our interstate relations, but about the foreign policy news there is basically less negative. As for the domestic news, there is a complete negative, yes, we do not like this power, but there is a reason.
        2. StolzSS
          0
          24 September 2013 20: 25
          Yes, not more bone and dull bureaucracy ....
      2. goldfinger
        +5
        24 September 2013 16: 56
        Quote: Arabist
        I support, was in 2012 no one showed any nationalist sentiments. Another "expert" who probably hasn't even been to Belarus.

        Neighbor Belarusian from Minsk. Noodles, but poisonous. Where did this historian come from? I have not met in our media. First, I have never been an anti-Semite. Second, if only this "Belarusian historian" took a pseudonym. Some kind of "Bulbashevich". And it is clear where the "ears stick out!" Syrkin, Plotkin, Zeldin, Bendin, etc. at a known address. Do not believe it!
        1. Luna
          +2
          24 September 2013 16: 59
          Noodles, but poisonous. Where did this historian come from?

          Remove blinkers from the eyes

          http://www.segodnia.ru/content/128568
      3. +1
        24 September 2013 18: 22
        I support, in 2012 no one showed any nationalist sentiment.

        Regardless of the article and the author.
        I visit Belarus often. Nationalists saw less than we have in the Russian Federation, but saw.
      4. +3
        24 September 2013 19: 55
        Quote: Arabist
        I support, was in 2012 no one showed any nationalist sentiments. Another "expert" who probably hasn't even been to Belarus.


        absolutely right. In Belarus there are no nationalist sentiments and cannot be.
        one stern look of Old Man is enough for all the "natsiks" to look for a mouse hole
    2. +10
      24 September 2013 16: 14
      I agree! Well, you are Russian - a Slav, there you will certainly be your own. For example, I am Kazakh from Kazakhstan, when I visited Belarus the year before last, I was very surprised at the friendly attitude of ordinary citizens of Belarus. No offense, but it is precisely through attitude to representatives of other peoples that one can feel the striking difference between the very Ukrainians and Belarusians from the vast majority of Russians.
      1. +3
        24 September 2013 16: 21
        You say everything correctly. Perhaps the Russians are a little justified by the fact that they have already been "muzzled" by various newcomers. Despite the complete disregard for our customs and way of life, they themselves make Russian xenophobes out of Russian. Which is really disgusting. For it endangers the very fact the existence of Russia. Yes, and everyone considers the Kazakhs as their own and treats them much better than the representatives of other Central Asian republics. We live in practically the same country))) No offense, it's just that not everything is visually defined.))
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      3. goldfinger
        +5
        24 September 2013 17: 04
        Quote: romb
        I agree! Well, you are Russian - a Slav, there you will certainly be your own. For example, I am Kazakh from Kazakhstan, when I visited Belarus the year before last, I was very surprised at the friendly attitude of ordinary citizens of Belarus. No offense, but it is precisely through attitude to representatives of other peoples that one can feel the striking difference between the very Ukrainians and Belarusians from the vast majority of Russians.

        Neighbor Belarus. The most complete truth about visitors from Central Asia. I never saw even slanting glances at them. Maybe this is because I noticed that we are more calm and unhurried than the Russians. Although one blood.
        1. smersh70
          +3
          24 September 2013 17: 11
          Quote: goldfinger
          Maybe it's because I noticed that we are more calm and unhurried than the Russians


          and more tolerant !!!!!!!! Respect countryman !!!!!!!! drinks
    3. smersh70
      +1
      24 September 2013 16: 21
      Quote: andrei332809
      I do not know...



      do not pay attention .. look at the agency ... it's Regnum ... laughing
      1. +2
        24 September 2013 16: 51
        Quote: smersh70
        .This is Regnum

        Well, in vain you are. I sometimes read their articles, especially when they spread the opuses of Chukhon or Pshek politicians. better moods of cold beer on a hot day drinks
        1. smersh70
          +1
          24 September 2013 17: 06
          Quote: andrei332809
          better moods of cold beer on a hot day


          better mugs of cold Krynica beer on a hot day without their articles laughing otherwise you’ll read it, and you won’t even want a beer wassat
    4. Luna
      +1
      24 September 2013 16: 56
      You know how many I visit in Ukraine, I have never met a nationalist. Probably out of luck.
      I was in Belarus last year. I liked it - quietly, calmly, even I would say sleepily. Well, why be surprised if the entire Republic of Belarus is smaller in terms of population than Moscow. But besides the fact that there is the Brest Fortress, "Stalin's line", she drew attention to how they exalt everything connected with Poland and the gentry. In general, if I had not learned history, then after my stay in Belarus I would have decided that Belarus flew into the USSR straight from Poland, bypassing the Russian Empire.

      The program “Castles of Belarus” is being actively implemented in the Republic of Belarus, according to which in the near future one and a half dozen patrimonial estates of the Polish-Lithuanian gentry will be restored. In addition to the development of tourism and attracting guests from abroad, this program is designed to change the established idea of ​​Belarus as a country whose memorials are mainly associated with memorials of the Great Patriotic War (its authors do not hide this), and, among other things, provide “new approaches ”in the education of youth.

      That's what, absolutely unashamed, said about this Director of the Castle Country Fund A. Varikish: “... most of the Russians with interest listen to stories about the Polotsk Power, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (A.G.), the Commonwealth, about our nobles, princes, kings, about countless wars with their ancestors, even about the genocide that they arranged in the XVII century, when more than half of the Litvinians fell victims of Russian aggression. As a guide, I openly tell my groups that our peoples are very far from each other, that we have been at enmity for centuries. ”

      http://www.imperiya.by/authorsanalytics19-17696.html

      While nationalism is at the state level.
      Yet.
      1. smersh70
        +3
        24 September 2013 17: 03
        Quote: Luna
        I liked it - quietly, calmly, even I would say sleepily.

        I noticed the same thing this year))))) you need to go to the shops per kilometer smile small business killed in the bud)))) just the USSR ..... drinks
        1. +2
          24 September 2013 18: 27
          I noticed the same thing this year))))) you need to go to the shops per kilometer smile small business killed in the bud))))

          Give our Russian authorities a deadline - soon we will have a small business strangled feel
        2. +2
          24 September 2013 18: 40
          Quote: smersh70
          Quote: Luna
          I liked it - quietly, calmly, even I would say sleepily.

          I noticed the same thing this year))))) you need to go to the shops per kilometer smile small business killed in the bud)))) just the USSR ..... drinks

          and under the article "Minsk City Executive Committee" as if you got back 30 years?
  3. +4
    24 September 2013 15: 40
    I don’t understand, they sorted it out with Ukraine; now the turn of Belarus has come
    1. +1
      24 September 2013 19: 59
      what I think this is a pure provocation. Someone is trying hard to quarrel Belarus and Russia.
      1. 0
        24 September 2013 23: 40
        No one will argue there .. Watch less NTV.
  4. +3
    24 September 2013 15: 47
    Ha ... Little butt of Ukraine-Russia, Russia-the Caucasus, now Belarus-Russia.
    Brzezinski glad the process is ....
    1. +2
      24 September 2013 20: 01
      the process has begun

      I remember this phrase I liked to say humpback-labeled. than it ended everyone remembers
  5. MASTER (MPS)
    +5
    24 September 2013 15: 50
    Dear members of this kind of proposals, an opposition on the money of the European Union is trying to promote an opposition in Belarus.
    At the expense of the expert who expressed a bunch of pearls here, he obviously was not in Belarus for a long time.
    He is the same expert on Belarus as not long ago they exposed one expert on Syria who did not have a code in it.
  6. +5
    24 September 2013 15: 55
    The processes of the disintegration of the Russian State, promoted in 91, do not lose momentum. A truly pro-people's domestic policy in Russia can act as a brake. Otherwise, we will soon contemplate the monuments to the "heroes" -destructors in the first church.
  7. ShtyrliTTS
    +1
    24 September 2013 16: 45
    Quote: MASTER
    We are trying to promote this kind of proposal in Belarus by an opposition on the money of the European Union.

    This is true, but the monument to Alexander (as it is said, the Tsar-Liberator, who was deeply revered by the Belarusian peasantry) is promoted by supporters of integration with Russia. Russian himself with his lifestyle and attitude towards others.
    1. Luna
      +1
      24 September 2013 17: 06
      Who is this for you? Poland, of course, is not needed. Therefore, it helps to push the monument to Olgerd instead of the monument to Alexander in Vitebsk. And so we live - Belarus feeds in Russia, and it fulfills Polish whims.
      1. chushoj
        0
        24 September 2013 18: 11
        The impression you have about Belarus is correct. But everywhere there are circumstances, for example, economic ones. Yeltsin’s long reign has left its mark that Lithuania and Poland have taken over small technologies and workplace influence. Russophobia is cultivated by these people, but definitely does not win. Lukashenko does not take either side sharply and unambiguously, and this is clear in my opinion. Polish-Lithuanian influence has already developed in the highest echelons of power - this is a consequence of the past.
        After all, Moscow also did not name Yudenich Street, which is near Denikin Square
  8. skif33
    +1
    24 September 2013 17: 28
    Stop pouring dirt on Belarus. We can say that the last state is loyal to the Russian Federation. Payment for the article probably came from Uralkali's accounts.
    1. 0
      24 September 2013 18: 28
      The payment for the article probably came from Uralkali's accounts.

      Here, by the way, +100500 for your ingenuity winked
  9. 0
    24 September 2013 17: 43
    I would be more worried about the absence of such actions by the "Jewish opposition". Old Man has enough sense to "pinch the tails" of our oligarchs. I think he will deal with this.

    PS Here one "complained" that to go to the store far. Apparently he did not live at a time when there was no reason to walk. And they live without luxury, but in stability, which is worth a lot.
    1. +2
      24 September 2013 18: 02
      And they live without luxury, but in stability, which is worth a lot.
      In Soviet times, it seemed to everyone that we were living in stability. But then "perestroika" burst out, and suddenly it became clear that stability was a myth. It was based not on economic realities, but on propaganda and mass hypnosis of the population. And this "stability" in the end was not worth the price. The same is in store for Belarus. Batkina's power is not eternal, and their economic model is a dead end (it is based only on Russian resources and the Russian sales market). Sooner or later (rather, sooner) there will be a painful breakdown of existing orders and the emergence of new ones. Russia has gone through this, and they are all delaying the moment. But it won't be possible to delay it indefinitely. Is their stability expensive? Yes, it is not worth a penny.
  10. ShtyrliTTS
    +2
    24 September 2013 18: 07
    Quote: Luna
    Who is this for you? Poland, of course, is not needed.

    You are talking about the Polish flag, a well-known problem on the site. I am Belarus, I live in Grodno. As for the shops, I buy high-quality delicious products, and I do not need to search for them ... I saw these stores in Moscow with its small business. Thank God, we were lucky , bypassed.
    1. 0
      24 September 2013 18: 17
      Yes, for us, too, do not worry.
      Do not live in poverty.
      And you can’t force anyone from Russia to come to you for permanent residence. Including those who are in words delighted with the fatherly orders.
      But there are more and more migrants from Belarus. Old Man even introduced a ban on dismissal, at some enterprises. http://izvestia.ru/news/540689
      Serfdom in the 21st century, that's cool. Once again proves. that the Old Man looks at the people as at his slaves, and at the country as at his estate.
      1. +4
        24 September 2013 19: 25
        Regarding migrants, not everything is as clear as you write.

        The first example. A guy (26 years old) got a job at my enterprise this summer. Physical work, piecework, pay at the level of 450-500 US dollars. For the Belarusian hinterland (Volkovysk, Grodno region) quite a decent salary, given the Belarusian prices. He worked for 2 months and was satisfied until he was lured by his work in Moscow. Everything is official, through a labor agency in Minsk, s / n $ 2000. Well, then, he is not a slave to me - go and work for health. Three days ago he returned in his pants, sneakers and a T-shirt. Result: got to the Chechens, 12 people lived. in a 3 * 4 trailer, meals (slops) three times a day (Monday, Wednesday, Friday), documents and phone were taken away at the station, constantly beaten. Gave the tear from them, came to the police. They broke his ribs and brought him back to the Chechens (!). Two weeks later, he was able to escape again and returned to Belarus on the way.

        Question: So who has serfdom in the 21st century?

        An example of the second. Now two people are working for me from Ukraine. I asked them what they didn’t go to Russia to earn money, they paid more there. They answered that they traveled, but they no longer want it, and it is not a matter of money, but of the attitude of the Russians towards other nations. They said that the Russians were snickering in the cities, and in the villages there was one lazy drunk who, out of envy, begins to persecute at the first opportunity.

        I can give you a lot of such examples. With surnames, addresses, first names. Yes, just what will it change? Deprives the Russians of imperial ways at once? Correct their mentality for the better? Will it be more tolerant and respectful of other nations that produce a real product in their country?

        By the way, why are your Russians, who are fleeing from Kazakhstan, bringing them to Belarus? Moreover, since the mid-90s and until now? I communicate with many of them. And many people answered the question "why not to Russia?" answer "nobody needs us there." It is wild, however, when in the country no one needs its own citizens, who, against their will, found themselves abroad. Although, for you, RUSSIAN, it's cool ...
        1. +1
          25 September 2013 08: 47
          It is impossible not to agree with you. Something is happening to us. The decade of Yeltsin's "reforms" is making itself felt. The cities are full of rotten, "purposeful and effective". They do not need anything, sheer assholes. Those who have completed military service are viewed as losers or At the head of the corner is their own exclusivity. Plus a very lame general education, hence xenophobia even towards the Slavic peoples. The measure is not common roots, but the presence of a dough or a career. Even a Chechen will be licked ass if he is in line with building a career. Alas, such is the problem of Russia. And I don’t know how the state, which itself looks like a toothless impotent, will fight it. In the countryside, it’s even worse. The older generation was discouraged from working, but the younger generation simply didn’t. Envy, unrestrained alcoholism, continuous corruption of local kings. So of course you are right. No one really needs us in our country. What is there to say about migrants ...
      2. goldfinger
        +2
        24 September 2013 20: 49
        Quote: Sour
        But there are more and more migrants from Belarus.


        About migrants From Belarus to you, to put it mildly - is not true. Nobody goes with their families, they go to work, seasonally. Yes, and not so massively. Mainly, universal finishers, your rich mansions to finish. And that's great. The country needs a currency. If the Russians themselves do not want to work, or do not know how? Vocational education, unlike us, has collapsed. And the fact that your nouveau riche massively buy housing in Minsk and other cities is already a whole problem. And their parents are sent here to rest. We know that too. Not so sour with us.
    2. Luna
      0
      24 September 2013 18: 55
      Grodno? That is, Western Belarus.

      Well, in general, the difference is small. feel abundant cockroaches, echoes of the 30s.
      I did not write about stores, I did not feel the difference in products at all. At Komarovka in Minsk, I noticed that the meat and meat products are windy, have been lying for a long time. Prices are not inferior to Russian, but salaries are noticeably behind.
      1. goldfinger
        +2
        24 September 2013 20: 57
        Quote: Luna
        At Komarovka in Minsk, I noticed that the meat and meat products are windy, have been lying for a long time.

        They probably sold you for a third of the price. Business.
        Quote: Luna
        abundant cockroaches, echoes of the 30s.

        You are talking about the citizens of another state.
        Your innate rudeness, which springs from these words, allows us to soberly look at such "allies". If the majority of Russians have such thoughts, God take away such "friends", and we will deal with the enemies ourselves.
        1. Luna
          0
          24 September 2013 21: 46
          They probably sold you for a third of the price.

          So what did you write about rudeness there? lol
    3. 0
      24 September 2013 23: 47
      Already in Crimea, people are running around in search of Belarusian food industry products. And they are driving here ... here. In the summer. Friends from Minsk region came. They brought a little sausage, Belarusian. Damn, they put meat in it !!!
  11. chushoj
    +3
    24 September 2013 19: 42
    Quote: Sour
    that the Old Man looks at the people as at his slaves, and at the country as at his estate.

    Any director looks at the enterprise as his estate, and the people as his slaves. But ours can freely arrest Braunschweiler if he is guilty. In this +
    1. -2
      24 September 2013 20: 04
      But ours can freely arrest Braunschweiler if he is guilty
      The guilt is proved by the court.
      Although it is in normal countries. There are exceptions, like the Batkostan.
      And to admire the fact that "our godfather can do anything", and even see some advantages for himself in this, I don't understand. I did not work as a slave, and I am not familiar with slave psychology.
      Any director looks at the enterprise as his estate
      The problem is that then the "director" will have to pay for the debts, but the "staff". After all, almost 16 billion dollars per 9,5 million population. Moreover, over the past 3 years, the debts have almost doubled. It's time to make an outstretched palm as the coat of arms of Belarus for the next alms.
      Clear business, the country consumes more than produces. But somehow you have to live.
  12. autonomous
    +2
    24 September 2013 20: 31
    Quote: MASTER
    Dear members of this kind of proposals, an opposition on the money of the European Union is trying to promote an opposition in Belarus.

    I don’t know who’s there and whose money is promoting what (you probably have reliable info ...), but personally, I’m not against the Kalinovsky monument in Minsk. Do not rush to label me as a "Belarusian oppositionist", I despise the so-called "apazy" ". But I respect the history of my Motherland. And the history of Belarus began not in the times of the Russian Empire, and even less so in the USSR.
    Our STATES were not always "fraternal" - a fact. Belarus and Belarusians are direct descendants of VKL.Although (IMHO) and not worthy ... This is part of our Belarusian history, whether someone likes it or not. There were wars, there were unions. On a simple human level, Belarusians are friendly and related to Russians, Poles, and Ukrainians with Lithuanians (this is from personal experience). Unfortunately, the Belarusian people do not decide anything now. The people do not recognize themselves as a PEOPLE and this is the problem A dead fish always goes with the flow ...
  13. Luna
    0
    24 September 2013 21: 50
    Quote: autonomus
    Belarus and Belarus are direct descendants of the ON


    In this case, they are not Belarusians, but Lithuanians. At least this point of view is promoted by the "apazitsya" you despise
  14. slacker
    +1
    24 September 2013 21: 52
    Author Alexander Bendin injected a portion of Russophobian poison into the blood of information.
    For some reason, the surname Bendin led me to some thoughts about his ethnicity.
    Maybe he and his household are interested in gazenvagena device?
  15. autonomous
    +1
    24 September 2013 23: 27
    Quote: Luna
    In this case, they are not Belarusians, but Lithuanians. At least this point of view is promoted by the "apazitsya" you despise

    I have not heard that someone seriously promoted the name "Litvin" (no, well, of course there are completely turned ones, I do not argue). Rather, these are your conjectures. Belaya Rus and Belarus - the names that are quite consistent with the historical heritage of the country.
    1. Luna
      0
      25 September 2013 00: 29
      For each "speculation" I have facts, if you have not understood yet.

      Gennady Davydko, head of the Belarusian television, openly declares that he considers himself a Litvin, not a Belarusian. He believes that Belarusians gave part of their history to the Poles, part to the Lithuanians, and part to the Russians. Now, they say, it's time to return all this, and not be Belarusians, but Litvinians, who have nothing to do with the Russians. On the contrary, it is the Russians, they say, always attacked the ON and robbed him.

      Since an official of such a rank, who even runs television in all Belarus, has admitted his love for Litvinism, one must wait for the propaganda of Litvinism on television. Now, broadcasts preaching Litvinism will be added to Polish broadcasts and programs professing the views of Belarusian nationalism.
      Question: where are the authorities looking? The same G. Davydko says: “... I associate my appointment as chairman of the Belteleradiocompany with the need to develop the Belteleradiocompany ... I had to look for someone. Alexander Grigoryevich [Lukashenko] analyzed and decided that I should do this work. ”

      http://www.segodnia.ru/content/121790

      In general, I shouldn't have been slandering "apazitsyu", not appazitsiya, too, did not go far.
  16. Luna
    0
    25 September 2013 00: 32
    The Embassy of the Polish Republic in Minsk with the support of the Ministry of Culture of Belarus organized a museum exhibition and conference dedicated to the anti-Russian uprising of the Polish magnates of 1863. These events began on September 19th.
    Polish diplomats also laid flowers at the memorial plaque of Vincent Kalinowski, which was recently established by the city authorities. A memorial plaque was erected on Kalinovsky St. and indicates that Kalinovsky is “a Belarusian revolutionary democrat, leader of the national liberation uprising of 1863-1864. against autocracy in Belarus and Lithuania. "
    http://rumol.org/2013/09/24/polskix-myatezhnikov-vnov-pominayut-v-minske/
    1. goldfinger
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      25 September 2013 09: 37
      Quote: Luna
      Polish diplomats also laid flowers at the memorial plaque of Vincent Kalinowski, which was recently established by the city authorities. A memorial plaque was erected on Kalinovsky St. and indicates that Kalinovsky is “a Belarusian revolutionary democrat, leader of the national liberation uprising of 1863-1864. against autocracy in Belarus and Lithuania. "

      So what's next? Cry, laugh? In Russia there are still monuments of the so-called national Heroes - Pugachev, Razin. The streets are named. Do you believe Pushkin? Quote.
      “Bilov's head was cut off. Elagin, a fat man, was flayed. His wife was hacked to death. Daughter ... a concubine. The frames of the icons were stripped, the altar robes were torn. The church was desecrated even with horse and human feces. Executions took place every day. The ravines near Berda were littered with the corpses of the shot, strangled, quartered sufferers. Bands of robbers rushed in all directions, drinking in the villages, plundering the treasury and the property of the nobles. They rushed to rob houses and merchant shops, ran into churches and monasteries, tore off iconostases; cut everyone. Twenty-five churches and three monasteries burned down. Gostiny Dvor and other houses, churches and monasteries were looted. Found up to three hundred killed and wounded, about five hundred were missing. Among those killed were the director of the gymnasium, Kanitz, several teachers and students, and Colonel Rodionov. Numerous Moscow mob, drinking and strolling through the streets, with obvious impatience awaited Pugachev. " This is from The History of the Pugachev Revolt.
      Razin was even worse. And such heroes in Russian history are the legion.
      You will deal with them first. And then feel free to contact us.
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    25 September 2013 16: 32
    Quote: MASTER
    Dear members of this kind of proposals, an opposition on the money of the European Union is trying to promote an opposition in Belarus.
    At the expense of the expert who expressed a bunch of pearls here, he obviously was not in Belarus for a long time.
    He is the same expert on Belarus as not long ago they exposed one expert on Syria who did not have a code in it.

    Quote: Chen
    The processes of the disintegration of the Russian State, promoted in 91, do not lose momentum. A truly pro-people's domestic policy in Russia can act as a brake. Otherwise, we will soon contemplate the monuments to the "heroes" -destructors in the first church.


    Good day to all!

    I completely agree with both of you. good

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