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Nothing personal, just business

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In recent years, Azerbaijan has suddenly become one of the leading countries for the import of arms and military equipment from Russia. It all started with the delivery in 2006 of 62 used tanks T-72 from the presence of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And since 2009, massive deliveries of the latest weapons manufactured specifically for Azerbaijan have begun. Among these deliveries (some are not yet completed) - 94 T-90S tanks, 100 BMP-3, 24 BTR-80A, 18 self-propelled guns 2S19 "Msta", 18 MLRS "Smerch", 6 flamethrower MLRS TOS-1A, 2 divisions SAM S-300P, 24 attack helicopters Mi-35M, 60 multi-purpose helicopters Mi-17.


The list is quite impressive. Such an exclusive as TOC-1A is especially impressive. However, T-90С, Smerch, Mi-35П also greatly increase the impact potential of the Azerbaijani army. This list is doubly impressive because weapon purchased not for parades and exercises, but for war. Opponent of Azerbaijan in this war will be Armenia. The resumption of the war over Nagorno-Karabakh is absolutely inevitable, since this unrecognized republic will never voluntarily return to Azerbaijan in any form, which, in turn, will not forever tolerate the current situation. It is precisely for this reason that Baku conducts mass purchases of armaments all over the world, as well as expands its own production. The question is not whether this country will start a war for the return of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic to its composition, but when it will happen.

PROFITS ABOVE ALL

Previously, Ukraine was the main supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan. Baku acquired a total of 200 tanks from her, more than 150 BMP and BTR, to 300 artillery systems (including 12 MLRS Smerch), 16 MiG-29, 12 attack helicopters Mi-24. However, absolutely all this equipment was supplied from the presence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, that is, it was made back in the USSR. From a certain moment, such equipment ceased to be of interest to Azerbaijan, since it did not ensure qualitative superiority over Armenia. Kiev is simply not capable of supplying new equipment. In Thailand, apparently, they still believe that they will receive fifty of the already paid Ukrainian tanks "Oplot". But Azerbaijan is geographically and mentally much closer to Ukraine. Therefore, Baku already understands that the “Stronghold” may be a very good tank, but Ukraine is not capable of organizing its mass production (more precisely, it is capable, but at such slow rates that it loses its meaning). And Azerbaijan bought the new Ukrainian BTR-3 even in the heat of the moment, but after receiving the 3 units, it changed its mind and stopped buying.

But the “Uralvagonzavod” has no problems with serial production of T-90С. The pace, though not Soviet, but quite acceptable. And "Smerch" is better to get a new one from "Motovilikha plants" than a 25-year-old from Ukrainian warehouses. So Azerbaijan made a choice.

This stories one could only be glad if it were not for one small nuance: Armenia is a member of the CSTO, that is, we are bound by its obligations in mutual defense. We are not connected with Azerbaijan by anything.

In this regard, let us imagine that Belarus or Kazakhstan suddenly began mass deliveries of weapons to Georgia. I wonder what would be the reaction of Moscow about the similar behavior of the CSTO allies? There are suspicions that the matter would not be limited to sudden "insights" of the chief sanitary doctor regarding the quality of Belarusian or Kazakhstan products and equally sudden repairs of oil and gas pipelines. But this is impossible for them, but for us it is possible.

Moreover, it turns out that we can expose even our own military personnel from the 102-th military base of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation deployed in Armenia. After all, she personifies in practice the military alliance of Moscow and Yerevan. Accordingly, this base should first of all join the battle for Armenia. Theoretically, it may happen that our soldiers and officers will have to meet in battle with our latest weapons. Not Soviet, namely Russian.

At the same time, there is no fundamental change in Moscow’s geopolitical attitudes in such massive supplies of equipment to Azerbaijan in the complete absence of those to Armenia, as evidenced by the story of the Gabala radar station. Baku wanted for its rent too much. Moscow, if it considered it necessary to have Azerbaijan as its new ally, could even agree. But she did very well - left Azerbaijan with a radar that was completely unnecessary to him, but without money at all. Interestingly, in this country it is still not fully aware of what happened and still believe that Russia will change its mind. Although the radar equipment has already been taken out, and it now represents only an architectural structure.

Therefore, it is not necessary to look for a geopolitical background in the actions of Moscow. The background is purely commercial. We did not want to overpay for Azerbaijan for the old radar station, but we wanted to get a lot of money from it for a new weapon. But Armenia has no money for new equipment.

By the way, something very similar happened recently with respect to Syria: we stopped supplying her with new equipment under existing contracts. At the same time, other actions of Moscow indicate that there is no talk of any “surrender” of Syria to the West and the Arab monarchies. The version that we are not sure about the victory of Assad and do not want the newest weapon to fall into the wrong hands, of course, has the right to exist. But most likely the official version is correct: Syria has stopped payments (which is not surprising in its position). Well, Russia has stopped deliveries. Nothing personal, only business.

The arms trade is a somewhat amoral thing by definition. But everyone who is capable of it is engaged in it, including the most important world moralists (as a rule, they sell weapons most of all). Moreover, the ability to export weapons significantly improves the status of the state on the world stage. Nevertheless, it is impossible not to understand that a weapon is intended for the destruction of people, therefore it cannot be considered an ordinary commodity. This is a very political product.

TWO CONVENIENT POSITIONS

However, many countries believe that weapons are still ordinary goods that can be sold to anyone who is not under official sanctions. And get paid. However, if a country enters into military-political alliances (even more so if it is their actual leader) and claims to have a sphere of influence outside its own territory, it must realize that it partly loses its freedom in the arms trade. In particular, it is advisable not to supply weapons to the opponents of their allies. And the Allies, on the contrary, to provide benefits and preferences. Sphere of influence is a luxury item to pay for. A union relationship gives rise to obligations, both legal and moral.

The first of these two positions can be called the “Chinese”, since its main personification is China. He traditionally sells weapons to anyone who buys. In particular - direct opponents. For example, Iran and Iraq during the war between them in 1980 – 1988. By the way, Beijing has already sold the RS-RS-WM-80 to Armenia, and now it is negotiating with Azerbaijan to sell JF-17 fighter jets to it. China has always earned money on it, and did not really claim to the sphere of influence. Recently, this sphere has appeared in his de facto, it covers, in particular, practically the whole of Africa. Beijing sees in it a supplier of cheap raw materials and a consumer of Chinese consumer goods, including weapons. He is satisfied with any regime in any African country, as long as he ensures the supply of raw materials. In this sense, allies are allies of China, although Beijing does not legally form such unions with anyone. Therefore, the weapon also sells to everyone. If the allies begin to apply it against each other, then it is their problem, not the Chinese. Here is pure commerce, heavily involved in corruption.

The “Chinese” position is exactly followed by Ukraine, all the more so since this sphere of influence is definitely not threatened by this country. Therefore, it sells weapons to everyone who buys, including the two warring parties of the same war (Ethiopia and Eritrea, Sudan and South Sudan).

The second position can be called “American”. The United States pays for the sphere of influence, and often it is very expensive. In particular, they try to guard the interests of the most important allies. For example, the supply of weapons to Egypt began only after he signed a peace treaty with Israel. If two American allies suddenly grappled, Washington will not help both at the same time, he will make a choice (as, for example, in favor of Britain during the Falkland war of the 1982 of the year).

The USSR at one time unequivocally adhered to the “American” position, it paid dearly for the presence of a sphere of influence. And the choice between the two allies, he also had to do. So, in 1977, Moscow made a choice in favor of Ethiopia during its war with Somalia. As far as this choice was correct, it is now completely senseless to discuss, especially since there are no clear criteria for this “correctness”. The fact is that the country had such a thing as “allied obligations”.

In fact, it does not mean that the “Chinese” position is “bad” and “immoral”, and the “American” position is “good” and “moral”. About morality, as mentioned above, in relation to this area can only speak with great caution. And, most importantly, you can ask: why should we directly or indirectly pay for Armenians and Syrians, when we ourselves are full of social problems, and the military-industrial complex, of course, is in need of money? Why do we have to repeat the experience of the USSR, which, in part, overwhelmed precisely the content of the global sphere of influence? Isn't it better to just get good money for a weapon if it is in demand? And all these questions are absolutely legitimate. To the overwhelming majority of Russian citizens in everyday terms, the sphere of influence in the form of Syria or Armenia gives absolutely nothing. And the fact that, for example, Syrian soldiers and officers, destroying the lives of Islamic militants by the thousands, thus, perhaps, save the lives of tens of thousands of Russians, doesn’t seriously bother anyone here.

Accordingly, which of the positions to choose Russia, “Chinese” or “American”, is an absolutely open question. It is necessary to understand only that these positions are incompatible. You need to choose one thing. But Moscow seems to be trying to combine. Thus, it automatically chooses the “Chinese” position. Just because all the allies of Moscow will soon lose any illusions about it. And we will have allies, as expected, two - the army and navy.
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  1. alone
    alone 24 September 2013 18: 52 New
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    Among these deliveries (some have not been completed yet) - 94 T-90S tanks, 100 BMP-3, 24 BTR-80A, 18 self-propelled guns 2S19 "Msta", 18 MLRS "Smerch", 6 flamethrower MLRS TOS-1A, 2 air defense divisions S-300P, 24 attack helicopters Mi-35M, 60 multi-purpose helicopters Mi-17.


    the author should carefully study the list of purchased systems more closely. in the first BTR-80a it was bought not 24, but much more. Not 2 S-300P air defense divisions were bought, but 3 S-300PMU Favorit 2 air defense divisions.
    for some reason there is no Igla S MANPADS, of which 300 were bought and 1500 missiles for them. The author is also silent about 18 CAO 2s31 "Vienna". I think if someone writes an article, he should do it conscientiously.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 24 September 2013 20: 19 New
      +7
      PROFITS ABOVE ALL

      Arrived in business above all else! For the author!
      1. Arminian power
        Arminian power 24 September 2013 22: 43 New
        -1
        And in politics, the logic is different ........ DO NOT SELL WEAPONS TO YOUR ENEMIES
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 24 September 2013 22: 52 New
          -1
          Does Russia see its enemy in Azerbaijan?
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 23: 02 New
          -1
          Quote: Arminian power
          And in politics, the logic is different ...

          I just wanted to invite you to this article ... until you turned off the light ... laughing
          Quote: Arminian power
          DO NOT SELL WEAPONS TO YOUR ENEMIES


          Well, you have enemies everywhere .... bully
          1. Arminian power
            Arminian power 25 September 2013 01: 45 New
            +1
            and I thought for a cup of tea repeat
            Quote: smersh70
            just wanted to invite you to this article
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 25 September 2013 08: 47 New
              +5
              Quote: Arminian power
              and I thought for a cup of tea


              ..and you do not confuse one with the other ......... you will have a chacha from a mulberry and dolma and a barbecue in addition drinks
        3. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 25 September 2013 00: 22 New
          +2
          RF and does not sell to enemies, but only partners laughing
    2. Rumi007
      Rumi007 24 September 2013 21: 20 New
      +5
      I completely agree. And he forgot about the Tor-M2E air defense systems, which Azerbaijan acquired in the amount of several batteries (6 batteries according to some reports).
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 September 2013 00: 21 New
      +2
      C'mon, it’s clear to you that you are well-stocked, and you’ve got all your weapons with an offensive acre s300 to cover the tank from a plague of Armenian aircraft. it’s clear that the matter will be hotter.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 25 September 2013 00: 55 New
        +4
        And we will have allies, as expected, two - the army and navy.



        You might think that now we have five or ten allies. The author said everything well, but the conclusion was ridiculous. Warm compared with warm and said that these are two different things. We do not participate in global plans and we have enough territory in 11 time zones. We can make decisions based on mentality and not on immediate political or economic interests.

        Yes, here. I note this - to terrorists, unlike in Azerbaijan, we do not sell weapons. Bullshit as Ukraine, too, do not sell. Unlicensed copies of weapons, in a one-time execution, like China, too. Question - what author do you need? So that just stopped selling ?? And the face will not go bad?
  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 24 September 2013 18: 53 New
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    The article is normal. There are 2 errors in it. At the expense of Gabala, it was decided to develop tourism there. On tourism, you can earn an order of magnitude more than 7 million, which was given for a huge area rented for the radar. And the second jf-17 is trying to sell us Pakistan. True, this is a Chinese development. But so far nothing has been decided. Types of Gabala. And about the weapons bought, it’s not only Russia that sells to us. No less than purchased in Turkey and Israel
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 24 September 2013 20: 41 New
      +5
      I don’t understand one, Azerbaijan did not pay for weapons?
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: xetai9977
      The article is normal. There are 2 errors in it. At the expense of Gabala, it was decided to develop tourism there. On tourism, you can earn an order of magnitude more than 7 million, which was given for a huge area rented for the radar.

      I agree!
      I’ll just add that we proposed that Russia also pay rent for world prices, just like we pay for weapons!
      And in the rest of Rauf you are right!
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 September 2013 00: 23 New
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      Instead of Chinese planes, the best Yak130 type more, you will need it much more.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 00: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        the best yak130 type more


        Yes, Abdullah does not want to give his wives laughing (Sukhov) as Poghosyan does not want to sell his products)))
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        you will need it much more.

        But what do I shoot in the mountains - the security is weak ... training ... has not yet shown itself in battles ...... but if you sell the Su-34 then it's another matter. the truth is also a lot of PR and advertising .. and the best there is Su-25 .. and we still have enough ...
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 25 September 2013 00: 42 New
          +2
          It’s cheap and cheerful, and I don’t want to teach pilots and install pylons and bombs, it’s eating almost like a 2110, small and nimble just for solving small problems.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 25 September 2013 02: 36 New
            +3
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            It’s cheap and cheerful, and I don’t want to teach pilots and install pylons and bombs, it’s eating almost like a 2110, small and nimble just for solving small problems.

            We didn’t sell cars, I heard familiar notes laughing
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 September 2013 01: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        Instead of Chinese planes, the best Yak130 type more, you will need it much more.

        For me, in a future war, we don’t need airplanes ... except that no one wants to interfere with us! The future theater is small. The MLRS artillery purchased more than enough, plus helicopters and drones !!
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 25 September 2013 09: 26 New
          +1
          If someone wants to interfere, no planes will be enough to brush off :).
  3. slacker
    slacker 24 September 2013 18: 54 New
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    why should we pay directly or indirectly for Armenians and Syrians, when we ourselves are full of social problems, and the military-industrial complex, of course, really needs money? Why should we repeat the experience of the USSR, which, in part, was torn precisely on the content of the global sphere of influence? Isn’t it better to just get good money for a weapon if it is in demand? And all these questions are absolutely legitimate. The overwhelming majority of Russian citizens in everyday terms, the sphere of influence in the form of Syria or Armenia does not give anything at all.


    Reasonable statement of the question. If Armenia needs Karabakh, then let Yerevan shake its diaspora for money and pay for the weapon with hard currency. Now Russia actually contains Armenia and this is an anomaly. But an even greater anomaly is that the Russians also defend the Armenian prisoner at their own expense.
    In general, Karabakh will be owned by someone who in the literal sense of the word does not stand at a price.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 21 New
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      Quote: Loafer
      In general, Karabakh will be owned by someone who in the literal sense of the word does not stand at a price.


      That's right !!!!! and the Armenians have money in the budget, the cat cried wassat
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 25 September 2013 00: 24 New
        +2
        Grandmas not all and do not always decide.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 25 September 2013 07: 16 New
      +4
      slacker And the diaspora no longer wants to finance Armenia. As Charles Aznavour admitted in an interview with BBC, “I asked wealthy Armenians in France to collect at least 5 euros, but they prefer to buy diamonds and yachts, rather than help their historical homeland”
    3. genisis
      genisis 25 September 2013 12: 43 New
      -1
      The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is a de facto independent state. So the question is:
      In general, Karabakh will be owned by one who in the literal sense of the word does not stand at a price

      not even worth it.

      The question may be: "How far will the Nagorno-Karabakh troops advance if Azerbaijan resumes hostilities?" This is yes. I think that the border will run along the Kura River, as always.

      But an even greater anomaly is that the Russians also defend the Armenian prisoner at their own expense


      All the Slavs who died on the side of the Armenians in that conflict of 1988-1994, such as Dmitry Motrich, Zakhar Lyubchich, Ossetians Mirza Abaev and others like them, blessed Memory, they were all volunteers. Those. fought according to their inner conviction, and not by order. In the event of a war between the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Azerbaijan, not a single Russian soldier and officer will receive an order from the 102nd base to take part in the database. And only if Azerbaijan comes up with the crazy idea of ​​attacking the Republic of Armenia, will the collective security treaty come into force, and the Russian troops will receive orders to begin actions. Well, or if the Anatolian Turks inadvertently want to help the Transcaucasian Turks, which was stopped by the Russians back in 1993. And, by the way, the Russians, trumpeting here that the Armenians allegedly need protection from Azerbaijan, tell me how many of those 12500 died from Were there no Armenians in that war?
      How many?
      The Armenians themselves piled on lyulets to the outlets and will do it again.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 25 September 2013 15: 22 New
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        Quote: genisis
        I think that the border will pass along the Kura River, as always.



        wake up from hibernation friend laughing not 1993 in the yard ..... 2013 has already come smile first at least kick someone into the infantry ... which will advance, retreating belay
        Quote: genisis
        The Armenians themselves piled on lyulets to the outlets and will do it again.


        laughing Stoic, do not tell))) and on a leisure watch the ending of this video
        1. genisis
          genisis 25 September 2013 15: 55 New
          0
          Better laugh at it
          Look from the first seconds
          1. genisis
            genisis 25 September 2013 16: 09 New
            -2
            Listen to a smart man, Vurgun
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 22 New
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              Quote: genisis
              Listen smart


              this time there is no 366 regiment .... it was with the help of them he did his "exploits" ...

              by the way .. the supply of T-90s is still ongoing ...))) let's see how your commandos put something against them)))) and drive the lost can of cognac wassat
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 21: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: genisis
            Look from the first seconds


            and you were wondering what happened to the head of the one who with a gun from the first seconds laughing in August 93)))))) and where is his favorite cross .. dagger and documents))))
            1. genisis
              genisis 25 September 2013 22: 13 New
              -1
              You all see Monte everywhere))))
              Don’t be afraid, it’s not him in the video
          3. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 22: 20 New
            0
            Quote: genisis
            Look from the first seconds


            in a war, as in a war. now look at the defeat of the Arabo battalion. by the way, some were mercenaries from Syria ..
            1. genisis
              genisis 26 September 2013 09: 52 New
              -1
              Mercenaries are Ukrainians who flew planes for you and cities and monasteries were bombed at your orders. And you paid them money. These are mercenaries.
              And in Arabo, everyone voluntarily fought and died.
  4. optimist
    optimist 24 September 2013 18: 54 New
    +7
    The author, it seems, has decided to "open America" ​​... After 91, the Russian Federation has one ideology, -bablo at any cost!
    1. Heccrbq .2
      Heccrbq .2 24 September 2013 19: 33 New
      14
      Not with the Russian Federation, but with those in power in the Russian Federation, they celebrate Hanukkah and not after91, but after 93.
      1. optimist
        optimist 24 September 2013 19: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: Heccrbq .2
        Not with the Russian Federation, but with those in power in the Russian Federation, they celebrate Hanukkah and not after91, but after 93.

        I agree!!!
        1. Sadikoff
          Sadikoff 24 September 2013 20: 25 New
          +2
          One-eyed look at the events. There is an incomprehensible Iran nearby, to which Azerbaijan has very serious claims, it would gladly leave Karabakh an Armenian, having received its historical territory from Iran.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 23 New
            -5
            Quote: Sadykoff
            she would gladly leave Karabakh Armenian


            you can trade in products .... oil .. cars .. but land, never !!!!!!!!
            Quote: Sadykoff
            having received its historical territory from Iran.

            we are not Armenia, in order to write territorial claims against neighbors in the Constitution, and besides all neighbors ... hi
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              you can trade in products .... oil .. cars .. but land, never !!!!!!!!

              Who are you minus ready to sell their land?))) Waiting))) buy))))
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 25 September 2013 00: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                Who are you minus ready to sell their land

                Yes, I'm after the articles on the Syria-hero cons laughing wrote a historical fact that in January 92 in the United Nations, everyone was accepted within their borders, and then minusanuli bully it turns out that some comrades from Russia are against the territorial integrity of Russia and are ready to sell the Kuril Islands to Japan .. wassat ..
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 25 September 2013 09: 28 New
              0
              So already ... it’s too late after a fight to wave fists.
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 25 September 2013 07: 19 New
            +4
            Sadykoff Karabakh is no less historical than South Azerbaijan.
    2. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 24 September 2013 20: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: optimist
      The author, it seems, has decided to "open America" ​​... After 91, the Russian Federation has one ideology, -bablo at any cost!

      What about China? What is the ideology? Moreover, China is admired, and Russia is scolded! What can we say about amerovskie double standards, if our "patriots" grown on chewing gum and torn jeans have the same approach to Mother Russia. Azeibarzhan will not fight against Armenia. Georgia will stand before their eyes at 08.08.08. So do not throw beads!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Azeibarzhan will not fight against Armenia. Georgia will face before their eyes 08.08.08g


        this argument does not stand up to criticism ... Russia did not sell Georgia arms for 4 billion dollars ... in 2, Putin did not go to Georgia before the war .... in 3 in Karabakh, there are no Russian peacekeeping forces .... ..in 4 Russia does not border with Armenia ....
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 25 September 2013 09: 32 New
          +1
          Russia did not sell weapons to Georgia at 4bn.dollars ...


          There were enough sellers without us. And so, it’s great that they cut down the money and take the weapons back. Business in the style of 90's :).

          in 2's Putin did not go to Georgia before the war ....


          Well, the last Chinese, I guess. This is our Russian zone of influence, and what to do in it, you will ask Russia.

          in 3's in Karabakh there are no Russian peacekeeping forces .....


          But Armenia is a military-political ally of Russia. so no reason to attack the peacekeepers.

          .in 4's Russia does not border with Armenia ....


          But this is fixable :).
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 10: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            There were enough sellers without us. And so, cool and cut down the money and take back the weapons


            compared the Georgian army with our ..5 infantry brigades against.35 motorized ...
            Quote: alicante11
            you will ask Russia.

            think better of what to do with corruption and pay attention to China .... advisers divorced .... as always, your imperial troubles are at their best ... no, to cooperate in a good neighborly way ...
            Quote: alicante11
            But Armenia is a military-political ally of Russia. so no reason to attack the peacekeepers.

            when someone climbs into Armenia .... then help ....
            the whole world at my feet - Tony Montano wassat
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 25 September 2013 15: 03 New
              +1
              compared the Georgian army with our ..5 infantry brigades against.35 motorized ...


              Well, it’s just that we’ll have to put in more troops than against the rodents. That's all. More enemies - glorious victory.

              think better of what to do with corruption and pay attention to China .... advisers divorced .... as always, your imperial troubles are at their best ... no, to cooperate in a good neighborly way ...


              Everyone will deal with their own corruption. Russians with their own, and you with your own.
              At the expense of China - the Chinese are not as frostbite fools as some to attack Russia.
              We have imperial troubles - because Russia has always, in the most difficult times, been and will remain an Empire. And sub-states like Azerbaijan can only be part of an empire. What are you perfectly proving, laying under the amers, leaving the orbit of Russia.

              when someone climbs into Armenia .... then help ....


              I think that they will figure out when and to whom to help. People are no more stupid than you. If they need to, they’ll be destroyed.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 25 September 2013 15: 18 New
                -3
                Quote: alicante11
                And sub-states like Azerbaijan can only be part of the empire


                our state, without you, has proved that it has a right to exist! under-states are not members of the UN Security Council ... maybe you didn’t know ... but it’s been like this already a year .... hi
                and your thoughts about the Empire, and who will go in or out ... it's definitely not up to you to decide ..... you are our imperial ........ fellow
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 25 September 2013 16: 00 New
                  0
                  Cool, damn it. As you can see, in fact, they happen to be in the UN Security Council and sub-states turn out to be. Did not know :). As he entered, it will come out when the deadline comes out. And Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council with the right of veto.

                  and your thoughts about the Empire, and who will go in or out ... it's definitely not up to you to decide ..... you are our imperial ........


                  A day is clear, which is not for me. Those times when people decided something have passed, unfortunately. But it’s not pleasant for you to be especially pleased. Because if before you were accepted into the Union as brothers, now our oligarchs will take you as he tolerated.
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 25 September 2013 16: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: alicante11
                    now our oligarchs will take you as he has suffered.



                    made laugh ... fellow so many of them come from our under-state laughing ... can list)) so that. still see someone takes))))
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 25 September 2013 16: 36 New
                      0
                      So, this, they have already assimilated. Unlike people, they don’t care where they came from. It is important where the headstock is raked off. In general, for the sake of interest, list.
                      1. smersh70
                        smersh70 25 September 2013 17: 05 New
                        0
                        Quote: alicante11
                        for the sake of interest, list.

                        С
                        once four natives of Azerbaijan were included in the list of hundreds of the richest people in Russia in 2011 according to the Finance magazine, Turan reports.
                        These are Vagit Alikperov, Aras Agalarov, Farhad Akhmedov and Telman Ismailov.
                        Vagit Alikperov, President of LUKoil, is in tenth place on the list of the rich in Russia. According to the magazine, its capital is 10,9 billion dollars.
                        On the 71st place in the ranking is Aras Agalarov. Aras Agalarov magazine (foreground) estimates his capital at 1,5
                        billion dollars. Agalarov is president of the Crocus Group.
                        Farhad Akhmedov is in 76th place in the ranking. His fortune is estimated at $ 1,4 billion. Akhmedov is the founder of Tansley Trading (the legal successor of which was the Farco Group), which conducted trade operations on the oil and oil products market and supplied equipment to Gazprom enterprises.
                        Telman Ismailov is in 97th place with $ 1,1 billion. In Telman Ismailov, 1989
                        In the year he registered the ACT group, of which he is the president to this day.
                      2. alicante11
                        alicante11 26 September 2013 06: 09 New
                        0
                        Well, they will be looking at you - patience :).
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Oleg147741
      They will face Georgia on 08.08.08.

      Do you compare the Georgian army and in general those events with the future war with Armenia of Azerbaijan?))))))))))
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 25 September 2013 09: 33 New
        -2
        Do you compare the Georgian army and in general those events with the future war with Armenia of Azerbaijan?))))))))))


        With the future war of Azerbaijan and the CSTO.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 25 September 2013 15: 05 New
          +1
          You see how friendly the gentlemen of the aiserbot are minus. As always - the diaspora work :).
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 17: 07 New
            -2
            Quote: alicante11
            gentlemen of the aiserbot.

            choose expressions .....
            Quote: alicante11
            As always - the diaspora work :)

            better follow the example of Mitrofanov laughing
            A few days ago, State Duma deputy Alexei Mitrofanov, along with three US citizens, was excluded from the "black list" of the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry.
            Mitrofanov was included in this list for an unauthorized visit to Nagorno-Karabakh.
            The Russian deputy pleaded guilty to Azerbaijan and repented of his actions in order to again get the opportunity to visit the country.
            He confirmed the fact of appeal to the leadership of the country, saying that he appealed to his wisdom and benevolence.
            It should be noted that two years ago Mitrofanov paid a visit to the occupied Agdere region to open the Moscow House of Celebrations.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 26 September 2013 06: 13 New
              0
              choose expressions .....


              And you do not bark at those whom you should not bark. You bark at the Armenians, at the NKR-tsev, at your level. So bark. And do not raise the tail to Russia.

              better follow the example of Mitrofanov


              Well, I have no business interests in Azerbaijan. As well as to me Mitrofanov is not a brother, not a godfather and a matchmaker. So I will somehow survive if they put me on this "black list" of another understatement instead. As they say, the dog barks, but the caravan moves on.
    4. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 25 September 2013 00: 31 New
      +3
      And what about Georgia? Do you seriously hope that the GDP will send its soldiers to another war, and also with its partners? (The Armenians, of course, in the Collective Security Treaty Organization, but N.K. the territory is controversial and is not legally the territory of Armenia) This will not happen, it doesn’t need Russia sideways, it’s time for Aliyev to agree that they’ll sort it out ourselves and we will limit ourselves to a call for peace, even they will figure it out, the Armenians will lose N.Karabakh, for example, but the economic blockade will be lifted from Azerbaijan or Azerbaijan will lose and confirm the status of Nagorno Karabakh after Armenia, these are their personal problems. We have our own problems that we need to solve, for example, the S. Caucasus, the border with the Uzbeks, the Kazakhs through which the bearded Alkaedists from Syria are preparing to come to visit us, no one will touch our base unless the Armenians themselves arrange a provocation to draw in the Russian Federation into the war. So as they say well, his n .... x.
  5. 31231
    31231 24 September 2013 20: 29 New
    17
    How predictable you are.

    Sell ​​equipment on credit, shout "How much can you feed them!"
    Selling equipment for real money, shout "The Russian Federation has one ideology, -bablo at any cost!"

    I hope you are at least pleased in your family.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: 31231
      How predictable you are.

      That's for sure)))
  • Semurg
    Semurg 24 September 2013 18: 57 New
    16
    The "furry animal" came to Azerbaijan. Khramchikhin switched from China to Azerbaijan. laughing
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 24 September 2013 20: 31 New
      +7
      Quote: Semurg
      The "furry animal" came to Azerbaijan. Khramchikhin switched from China to Azerbaijan.


      He’ll set the heat ... By the way, he also forgot that Kurganmashzavod received an order for self-propelled guns
      2C31 Vienna for Azerbaijan in the amount of 18 pieces. This development of the 90s did not go into our series, now a buyer was found for it. Besides for armament
      contracts are on
      -94 T-90S tanks
      - Approximately 100 infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3
      -18 self-propelled artillery mounts "Msta-S"
      -18 launchers of multiple launch rocket systems "Smerch"
      = 8 self-propelled artillery guns "Vienna"
      six heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepek"



      Any Russian arms deliveries to Azerbaijan, even on a commercial basis, cause a nervous and painful reaction in Armenia not only in society but also in the elite, but this reaction does not take into account the fact that Armenia purchases weapons from Russia at domestic prices and the supply of arms there balances Russian sales to Azerbaijan, indicates a leading researcher at IMEMO Alexander Krylov. Supplies to Azerbaijan allow Russia to keep the country under its influence and reduce Baku’s purchases on the international market

      In this situation, we can draw an analogy with the policies of the United States and NATO countries that supply large quantities of weapons to antagonists - Egypt and Israel, Greece and Turkey: the dependence of these countries on one supplier allows the United States and the West to contain conflicts between their customers,

      Expert of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko.
      And he is right if you miss such a market, then anyway, a holy place does not happen to be empty. Recently, negotiations were ongoing with the South Caucasus on a contract worth 3 lard dollars. In particular, Azerbaijan offered to buy from Korea two submarines, a destroyer, a transport ship, T-50 supersonic training aircraft, some of the best 9-mm K-155 self-propelled guns in the world, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, fire control systems, etc.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 24 September 2013 20: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        He’ll set the heat ... By the way, he also forgot that Kurganmashzavod received an order for self-propelled guns
        2С31 “Vienna” for Azerbaijan in the amount of 18 pieces.

        Quote: Ascetic
        Recently, negotiations were ongoing with the UK for a contract in the amount of 3 lard dollars



        Stanislas hi Yes, Azerbaijan will purchase at least 20 billion. The answer lies in my previous commentary below.

        Quote: Apollon
        quote from the article-The question is not whether this country will start a war for the return of the NKR to its composition, but when it will happen.

        There will be no current situation in Azerbaijan until then, so that the neighbors can sleep peacefully.
        In essence, I put a great deal of meaning into this short sentence, the meaning of which can be painted on whole 5 sheets of typescript.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 24 September 2013 20: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          Azerbaijan will purchase at least 20 billion. Azerbaijan will purchase, the answer lies in my previous commentary below


          While they wanted to agree peacefully, well, here’s the glass overflowing!

          And weapons are not only against Armenia, but there is also the Iranian factor!
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 24 September 2013 20: 58 New
            +4
            Quote: ayyildiz
            And weapons are not only against Armenia, but there is also the Iranian factor!


            besides the empty and militant rhetoric of power, nothing.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 24 September 2013 21: 09 New
              0
              Quote: Apollon
              besides the empty and militant rhetoric of power, nothing.

              On the other hand, there’s no need to fight them, they exterminate themselves! Migration, oh oh oh, that soon there will be no one left drinks
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 24 September 2013 23: 51 New
          +9
          Quote: Apollon
          There will be no current situation in Azerbaijan until then, so that the neighbors can sleep peacefully.
          In essence, I put a great deal of meaning into this short sentence, the meaning of which can be painted on whole 5 sheets of typescript.


          Of course, this is a common tragedy of all the peoples of the Union, misfortune like an avalanche fell unexpectedly and inevitably ... Was in Baku in 1982 a very sincere city where all nations and peoples coexisted ... That's how he remained in memory and of course with Magomayev and the place I filmed Russo is a tourist-faced moral with Mironov and Papanov, who were so fond of showing visitors to Baku.

      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        Expert of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko.

        Generally stupid analysis to mine!
        First, how does Russia Armenia compensate for arms sold to Azerbaijan?
        I will answer for you - my base in Armenia!))))
        No analogy with the named countries!
        Quite different stories !!
        Egypt agreed to sell in exchange for a peace treaty with Israel!
        Greece was admitted to NATO only after the consent of Turkey and sold like all NATO members!
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 25 September 2013 01: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: Yarbay
          First, how does Russia Armenia compensate for arms sold to Azerbaijan?

          First, Russia continues to supply Armenia, as a member of the CSTO, military equipment at its domestic prices, i.e. 20-25% cheaper than Azerbaijan. In addition, Moscow supplies weapons to Armenia as part of bilateral military-technical cooperation, which is often not included in the relevant UN registers.
          Secondly
          Quote: Yarbay
          - your base in Armenia!

          This circumstance enables Armenia to concentrate its main forces and assets in one - east direction, i.e. against Azerbaijan. At the same time, Azerbaijan itself cannot concentrate all its forces and means against Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh, because It has a source of threat in other areas, including from Iran.
          So you should not measure everything with the quantity and quality of weapons, you need to consider VERY many strategic factors.
          If earlier in Armenia, unequivocal demands sounded at the level of the military-political leadership Yerevan asks Moscow to explain Baku arms supplies
          Now everything is calm in Yerevan about this and Armenia, albeit in words, joins the TS. So, guarantees were given that level the threat of military imbalance between the countries, and Russia is expanding the WTO with Azerbaijan and Armenia
          In the near future, Armenia and Russia will ratify an important treaty providing for direct purchases from Russian military factories. As the Armenian newspaper “Hraparak” writes with reference to its sources in the National Assembly, Armenia will be the only country having such an agreement with Russia.

          link
          As one of the Armenian experts recently joked, Azerbaijan itself helps Russia to compensate for its budget losses from allied relations with Yerevan

          in a complex Caucasus region, interests are not described in two colors. There is no single choice in favor of Russia or the West Neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan
      3. 225chay
        225chay 25 September 2013 08: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        contracts are on
        -94 T-90S tanks
        - Approximately 100 infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3
        -18 self-propelled artillery mounts "Msta-S"
        -18 launchers of multiple launch rocket systems "Smerch"
        = 8 self-propelled artillery guns "Vienna"
        six heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepek"


        Ay, why did you reveal the plans of Azerbaijan!
        Now the Armenians in general (to hang themselves), I'm sorry, sob like mammoths and tears will start to flow in rivers ... crying crying ))
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 24 September 2013 18: 57 New
    +8
    And here's another. No less beautiful places. Also Gabala
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 24 September 2013 19: 07 New
    14
    The overwhelming majority of Russian citizens in everyday terms, the sphere of influence in the form of Syria or Armenia does not give anything at all. And the fact that, for example, Syrian soldiers and officers, by destroying Islamic militants by thousands, thereby possibly saving the lives of tens of thousands of Russians, does not seriously concern us.
    - many are worried and many are grateful to the Syrian soldiers for their feat. I disagree about the overwhelming majority of Russians. Nothing bothers except for their own pocket, only people who live according to the principle of good where it is good, and therefore their homeland is there. This principle of "nothing personal, only business" is pernicious in its essence, as well as raising the dough into absolute value.
  • Walking
    Walking 24 September 2013 19: 09 New
    +4
    It’s personal to me that Armenia and Azerbaijan didn’t make a difference, and they both became lit up in the early 90s with persecution against the Russian population and the killings of Russian officers and soldiers.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 24 September 2013 19: 17 New
      -1
      There are many Russians from Baku on the site. And they will confirm that speculation about the "murder of the Russian population in Azerbaijan" is a bullshit. No need to repeat speculation after our "well-wishers"
      1. Heccrbq .2
        Heccrbq .2 24 September 2013 19: 36 New
        +4
        Do you want to correct the story? It will not work ...... When you have to answer for everything.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 24 September 2013 21: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: xetai9977
        There are many Russians from Baku on the site. And they will confirm that speculation about the "murder of the Russian population in Azerbaijan" is a bullshit. No need to repeat speculation after our "well-wishers"
        I spoke to them. They, in particular, believe that the collapse of the USSR began from Karabakh, and not without reason. And they say about Azerbaijanis that they were different. There were those who covered their neighbors, Armenians, Jews, Russians, and they took the Armenians in their cars to safe places, knowing that if they were caught, they would put everyone (and sometimes they would go indiscriminately). And at the same time, they were offended if they were offered money in gratitude, they said that they were doing this not for the sake of money, but because it was so right. But there were also leaflets "We give Armenians a week to leave, Russians a year, Jews 2." And they also say that Baku Azerbaijanis did not engage in pogroms, threats, and other garbage, they are not in their nature. And those who they called "raionists" stood behind this. I do not pretend to be an absolute truth, this is just my personal and, possibly, subjective understanding of the version told to me, which can also be subjective. But I understood it somehow.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 24 September 2013 22: 04 New
          +5
          Quote: Nagan
          There were those who covered their neighbors-Armenians, Jews, Russians,

          Plus for you, at one time a bitter experience was gained by me in Chechnya.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          And behind this were those whom they called "raionists".


          partly you're right .. because before the unrest in Khankendi, in December 87, Armenians had already started to drive Azerbaijanis out of the Gugak region of Armenia .... and they are angry about fate, power and Armenians, who came to Azerbaijan and asked those questions Tersky asks himself when he usually talks about Chechnya ... they kicked me out, and they will live freely and peacefully .. no ... let them get what they got in due time .....
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 36 New
            -1
            Quote: smersh70
            ..Let them get what I received in due time.

            They were very professionally instigated by the Grigoryans!
          2. Knizhnik
            Knizhnik 25 September 2013 16: 41 New
            0
            I remember very well this time, the refugees were very angry, there were constantly conflicts with local people because they rushed at people
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          But there were also leaflets "We give Armenians a week to leave, Russians a year, Jews 2."

          Rave!!
          Quote: Nagan
          And behind this were those whom they called "raionists".

          Behind this stood the Armenians themselves and their patrons in the highest echelons of power
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 25 September 2013 02: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            Quote: Nagan
            But there were also leaflets "We give Armenians a week to leave, Russians a year, Jews 2."

            Rave!!

            I did not invent this, I am speaking from the words of my acquaintances, former Bakuvians, Jews, if this is so important for you. As they say, "for what I bought, for what I sell." But I am inclined to believe them, if only because they say only good things about Baku and Azerbaijan, they participate in Baku forums, and so on. Yes, and they speak Azeri, if that tells you anything about them. By the way, in their opinion it all started with ethnic cleansing in Armenia (oh, I feel, now the Armenians will minify me in my skulls, just for this phrase), they talked about refugees from Yerevan with their ears cut off, like they did not see them themselves, but one of their acquaintances had something to do with to the accommodation of refugees. So if they say that they saw these leaflets and held them in their hands, then something was visible. And I learned the word "district" from them, in my area there was no such thing.
            By the way, they say that prior to the well-known events in Baku there were no Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Jews, Russians (so that it would not hurt anyone, he listed them in alphabetical order), and who else were there, but there were Baku people. Of course you cannot return the past, but it was the same. Or wasn’t it, and they lied in that too?
            1. Knizhnik
              Knizhnik 25 September 2013 16: 45 New
              +2
              My father and many neighbors helped to hide, if they were forced to leave and helped with this, then many had weapons at home, my father kept a grenade if suddenly the "popular front" finds out and comes to blow up nah .. all :) where I hid by the way I knew :)
      3. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 24 September 2013 22: 17 New
        +4
        Oh, oh? ... Well, Pokrovsky, read something ... it was, it was ..... no need to come up with a new one now ...... and my classmates (according to the military commissar) are right there in Karabakh , in Baku .... fortunate enough to be ...... Anyway, we all remember ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 36 New
          0
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          ..... and to my classmates (according to the military commissar) right there, in Karabakh, in Baku.

          Let your * classmate * not come!


          here is a chronological description of the beginning of the conflict!
          http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-12.php
          Here is the massacre in Khojaly
          http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-14.php
          Here is an interview of General Safonov, commandant of the NKAR
          http://vesti.az/news/46842
          Here is an interview of the military commandant of the NKAO emergency region and the adjacent regions of the Azerbaijan SSR, the former commander of the troops of the North Caucasus District of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, Lieutenant General Yuri Kosolapov.
          http://vesti.az/news/146131
          Here is an interview with the former commandant of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region of Azerbaijan, the deputy commander of the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs deployed in the NKAR, and retired major general Henry Malyushkin.
          http://bbatiyev.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_9724.html
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 25 September 2013 00: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Hiking
      both of them were lit up in the early 90s by persecution against the Russian population and the killings of Russian officers and soldiers.

      Give the facts of the murder of Russians in Azerbaijan? From the Armenian sites, fake pictures and stories of * eyewitnesses * are not accepted !!
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 24 September 2013 19: 10 New
    11
    In the event of a war for Nagorno-Karabakh, I will be bitter to see the dead, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, I am afraid that Russia will be guilty again.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 24 September 2013 19: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      In the event of a war for Nagorno-Karabakh, I will be bitter to see the dead, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, I am afraid that Russia will be guilty again.

      100% will turn out to be guilty. Because Russia’s ally, if it doesn’t support the Armenians, the Azerbaijanis will continue to support, while Europe and the USA will accuse both of them, Islamic if they support the Armenians.
      The only option is to distance yourself, but not to let other forces intervene. Well, or the most difficult option is to solve the issue as soon as possible.
      1. zennon
        zennon 24 September 2013 21: 03 New
        +1
        resolve the issue as soon as possible.

        How? As Dr. Bormental used to say: "Do you know the method?"request
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: zennon
          Do you know the way?


          in a cool way to give a hint to Comrade Sargsyan that it’s worthless to get into a neighbor’s house. wassat and if he opposes, then turn off the gas and light fellow By the way, a friend of the GDP in relation to Georgia has experience .... hi and all the rite-chinarem. culturally and peacefully ..... hi
    2. varov14
      varov14 24 September 2013 19: 39 New
      +1
      The war puts everything in its place, if there is now an external or internal mess with Russia, there will be a chance to do a general sweep. Although the beam would have thought the head.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 24 September 2013 19: 16 New
    +4
    Everything is clear with the radar 7 million is a ridiculous amount the parties weighed all the pros and cons and agreed without hysteria. If Russia because of its base in Tajikistan provides a lot of benefits to Tajiks, then Gabala if it had an important appointment would also offer options.
    As for the sales of weapons to Baku ... well, as an Azerbaijani, I’m not happy about bad systems, but if you put yourself in the place of an army it’s not right. It would be if the Turks would sell weapons to the Armenians and say this business nothing more. When the level of relations is kind of strategic commerce is being postponed, but as we know, Armenia is considered in Russia not as a partner, but as an outpost, and the point is not only that they believe, but that the words are backed up by deeds, Armenia is completely in the hands of Moscow.
    1. Rosomaha67
      Rosomaha67 24 September 2013 19: 47 New
      +7
      ...... but who knows, maybe this sold batch of weapons reminded our Armenian friends that they don't need to look towards Europe, but they must join the Customs Union. Those who closely watched what was happening should remember that just before the sale of weapons, the pro-European hysteria of their leberastic "civility" intensified in Armenia. So it's not so simple, I think the arms trade is a huge political ace that can be very skillfully surrendered to one side or another ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 39 New
        -4
        Quote: Rosomaha67
        reminded our Armenian friends

        In Yerevan, more than a hundred people held a protest outside the presidential administration against the accession of Armenia to the Customs Union, Armenian media reported.
        The audience chanted "Russians, go away", "There is no return to the USSR". Several people were detained by the police for disturbing public order.
        The statement of President Serzh Sargsyan on Armenia’s intention to join the Customs Union and subsequently participate in the process of forming the Eurasian Union is a real threat to the independence and sovereignty of Armenia, the Free Democrats party said.
        The statement of the Board of Directors states that with the entry of Armenia into the Customs Union, the country loses such important attributes of independence as an independent foreign policy and the possibility of independent financial and technical activities. Customs and Eurasian unions are nothing more than the implementation of the imperialist encroachments of Russia and a step aimed at depriving the independence of the former Soviet states.
        “We consider it unacceptable to justify this step with the security issues of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh, since it is impossible to imagine a bigger blow to the security of Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh than weakening the foundations of the sovereignty and statehood of Armenia,” the statement said.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 25 September 2013 09: 41 New
          +2
          They paid a little. At 5000 we pulled hamsters to the Swamp ...
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 24 September 2013 19: 26 New
    +3
    maybe because they are selling that they are sure of non-aggression against an Odkb member? loot then it catches your eyes, but for sure Normal analysts have calculated everything that can be done. at least you want to think so
    1. alone
      alone 24 September 2013 19: 37 New
      +1
      and no one is going to attack Armenia. It is about restoring the territorial integrity of the Republic of Azerbaijan.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 24 September 2013 20: 04 New
        +7
        Quote: lonely
        and no one is going to attack Armenia. It is about restoring the territorial integrity of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

        And when did it arise, do not tell me?
        1. alone
          alone 24 September 2013 20: 09 New
          0
          1918 year. By the way the first republic of the Muslim world.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 24 September 2013 20: 50 New
            +7
            Quote: lonely
            1918 year. By the way the first republic of the Muslim world.

            It was she who was proclaimed, from the wiki I also read very well. Is the world divided into Muslim and non-Muslim? winked The world is under GOD; there are no Muslims and Christians in it.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 24 September 2013 20: 54 New
              +6
              Quote: Tersky
              He is under GOD, there are no Muslims and Christians in him.

              I completely agree with you, but unfortunately some probably do not know that, they all surpassed from Adam and Eve! hi
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 24 September 2013 20: 58 New
                +5
                Quote: ayyildiz
                all surpassed from Adam and Eve!

                Glad like-minded hi ! The truth is understood many, many centuries ago, yes but not many know ..
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Tersky
              That she was proclaimed, with


              By the way. It’s not only proclaimed, but existed for exactly 2 years !!!! until comrade VIL did not telegrave - taking the BAKU is important, no, archival! use all means, up to the promise of leaving independence under the leadership of local communists .... belay
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Tersky
          And when did it arise, do not tell me?


          in January 92, all the Union republics of the USSR were admitted to the UN within the borders of the Union republics ....
      2. bulanash
        bulanash 24 September 2013 20: 11 New
        13
        Quote: lonely
        and no one is going to attack Armenia. It is about restoring the territorial integrity of the Republic of Azerbaijan.


        restoration of the "territorial integrity" of Azerbaijan is possible only within the USSR. And your statehood was created under the Union and the territories inhabited by Armenians, you were cut by Joseph Vissarionovich in an arbitrary order ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 45 New
          -4
          Quote: bulanash
          you were cut by Joseph Vissarionovich in random order ...




          you need to drink less in the evening .... and if you drink, then only kefir .... and do not read the Soviet newspapers for the night, Dr. Bormental, I apologize. agents Regnum wassat
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 24 September 2013 19: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      maybe because they are selling that they are sure of non-aggression against an Odkb member?

      So long ago, everyone knows that no one will invade internationally recognized borders and tornadoes will not be beaten by Yerevan, but by Khankendi (Stepanakert). But as I said, this is not equal partnerships, but the total economic and physical existence of the Armenian state-va. Therefore, they are in the pocket of Moscow. The great Armenian spirit is in the Armenian books, but the reality is that without Russia there is no Armenia.
      1. 31231
        31231 24 September 2013 20: 25 New
        +9
        I look at you and wonder. Not long ago, they lived with the Armenians, and now hatred.
        God forbid us from such hatred from the peoples of all the former fraternal republics. I regret that I do not live in the time of I.V. Stalin. Everyone was equal there.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 47 New
          -1
          Quote: 31231
          I look at you and wonder. Not long ago, they lived with the Armenians, and now hatred.


          I, too, am amazed .. how have you been friends with the Germans since you were 24 years old .. almost 20 years old .. tongue and suddenly here you go .---- the famous poem of the Soviet poet, kill the German what
          Quote: 31231
          that I’m not living in the time of JV Stalin. Everyone was equal there.


          right ... in the camp ... smile
  • Yura
    Yura 24 September 2013 19: 42 New
    +7
    When it comes to the fact that Azerbaijan is arming for some reason, it is always about their relations with Armenia, in my opinion this approach is too one-sided and straightforward. With the armaments that Armenia now has, it makes little sense for Azerbaijan to spend such an amount of money on armaments, Azerbaijan is not arming itself specifically against Armenia, first of all it is to protect what they have, but they have a lot, and we all know what happens to countries having resources, but not able to protect them.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 57 New
      -3
      Quote: Jura
      and we all know what happens to countries with resources, but not able to protect them.

      Arthur J. Finkelstein and Associates (AJF), ​​USA, which organizes exit-polls at the upcoming presidential elections in Azerbaijan on October 9, at the invitation of APA Holding LLC, conducted an election poll.
      87% of respondents believe that I. Aliyev defended the country from terrorist attacks, 82% believe that he defended Azerbaijan from Armenian aggression.

      The occupation by Armenia of Nagorno-Karabakh and the regions adjacent to it, which ended with one million Azerbaijanis becoming refugees, remains a painful problem for voters. Despite the fact that the resolutions adopted by the UN, the European Union and other international organizations characterize this as a violation of international law, Armenia refuses to put an end to the occupation.
      Conflict continues to outrage voters. The first answer to the question “What comes to mind when you think about Azerbaijan?” - was “Homeland”, the second answer was “Nagorno-Karabakh”, which indicates strong patriotic and nationalistic feelings of voters.
  • rugor
    rugor 24 September 2013 19: 44 New
    +1
    We will not sell, others will sell. Any doubts?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 24 September 2013 20: 19 New
      +5
      quote-The question is not whether this country will start a war for the return of the NKR to its composition, but when it will happen.

      While the current situation will exist there are no things in Azerbaijan, so the neighbors can sleep peacefully.
      In essence, I put a great deal of meaning into this short sentence, the meaning of which can be painted on whole 5 sheets of typescript.
  • chehywed
    chehywed 24 September 2013 20: 17 New
    +5
    The first of these two positions can be arbitrarily called “Chinese,” since it is China that is its main embodiment. He traditionally sells weapons to everyone who buys. In particular, to direct opponents. For example, Iran and Iraq during the war between them in the 1980 – 1988 years. By the way, Beijing has already sold WMZ-80 MLRS to Armenia, and is currently negotiating with Azerbaijan on the sale of JF-17 fighters to it. China has always earned money on this, but did not really aspire to the sphere of influence.

    Ukraine exactly follows the “Chinese” position, especially since the presence of a sphere of influence is absolutely not threatened by this country. Therefore, she sells weapons to everyone who buys,

    The author modestly kept silent that Russia took the same position in the Sudano-Eritrean war. Sudan bought MiGs in Russia, Eritrea air defense systems, Sudan tanks, Eritrea "Mukhi". On Sudan's claims, why are you helping them? Answered in spirit "Nothing personal, only business".
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 24 September 2013 20: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: chehywed
      The author modestly kept silent that Russia took the same position in the Sudano-Eritrean war. Sudan bought MiGs in Russia, Eritrea air defense systems, Sudan tanks, Eritrea "Mukhi". On Sudan's claims, why are you helping them? They answered in the spirit of "Nothing personal, only business".


      No wonder, when an independent, decent, intelligent, principled person comes to power in Russia, a person for whom loot and profit is in last place, a person who loves Russia and the people living in it, a person for whom the Motherland is not an empty phrase, a person devoted to Russia to the depths of his soul, a person whose spiritual and moral values ​​are fundamental - then, such answers, in the spirit of "nothing personal, only business" will become a thing of the past. But such a ruler has apparently not yet been born.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 24 September 2013 21: 02 New
        +8
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        , a man who loves Russia and the people living in it, a man for whom the homeland is not an empty phrase

        It is a man who loves Russia who sells for money! And he does not give left and right the people's money!

        Will you personally give salaries to defense industry workers from your pocket?
      2. chehywed
        chehywed 24 September 2013 21: 18 New
        +7
        Ruslan_F38honestly closer to me position ayyildiz.How many weapons and other goods the USSR and Russia have delivered like, as friendly countries and in debt, and as a result, not only we were "thrown" with payment, but they also became enemies. And how many debts did they forgive "friends"? So: money in the morning, chairs in the evening.
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 24 September 2013 22: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        that's when a man comes to power in Russia

        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        intelligent

        Then, in two, we cry with burning tears.
  • major071
    major071 24 September 2013 20: 59 New
    12
    Lord, how all this is already. Why people cannot live peacefully. I have friends, one is Armenian, the other is Azerbaijani. They are friends and throats are ready to break for each other. Ordinary people are friends of families, and politicians are to blame for all this (money!). IMHO soldier
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 24 September 2013 21: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: major071
      They are friends and throats are ready to break for each other.


      I would break the throats of our oligarchs, who are the main enemies of the Azerbaijani people.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 24 September 2013 21: 24 New
        11
        Quote: Apollon
        I would break the throats of our oligarchs, who are the main enemies of the Azerbaijani people.

        Not only the people of Azerbaijan, .... Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc.
      2. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 21: 39 New
        +3
        The oligarchs are only part of the structure of modern Azerbaijan as a state. I think their liquidation will not lead to anything. Management of their property will be instantly intercepted.
        And the fact that enemies, it is unconditional.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 24 September 2013 22: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: Grishka100watt
          The oligarchs are only part of the structure of modern Azerbaijan

          They are part of the modern world. Moreover, it is very significant.
          1. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 22: 16 New
            +1
            So.
          2. chehywed
            chehywed 24 September 2013 22: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Tersky
            They are part of the modern world. Moreover, a very significant

            So the fact of the matter is that insignificant. But, kiss their mom in the mouth,influential. laughing
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 24 September 2013 22: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: chehywed
              . But, kiss their mom in the mouth, influential.

              So far, everything is exactly the opposite, alas ....
              1. chehywed
                chehywed 24 September 2013 23: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: Tersky
                So far, everything is exactly the opposite, alas ....

                Tersky,everything is exactly the opposite, this is about us and you. We are many, we are a very significant part of the modern world. And they rule us unitsrich and influential. And they also pit us against each other.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: Grishka100watt
          Management of their property will be instantly intercepted.


          I'll be the first in line wassat
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 50 New
      -4
      Quote: major071
      Ordinary people are friends of families,


      Yes, we have 30000 Armenians living ... and all many meet with friends in Moscow and Tbilisi ..... You better tell Sargsyan .. Kocharyan., Balayan, who started this whole mess ... thanks to them 1 million. refugees with us .. you tell their children .... hi
      1. Arminian power
        Arminian power 24 September 2013 22: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: smersh70
        Yes, we have 30000 Armenians

        VRAT ETO NE XOROSHO negative
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 24 September 2013 23: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Arminian power
          VRAT ETO NE XOROSHO


          about this you know how many times Yarbai cited the facts ... I do not want to repeat myself .... hi we even give out identity cards with Armenian first names and surnames ... and find our TV broadcasting in Armenian-- CBC on Europe-Notbird - 11200 ... 27500. vertical ... look, to
          1. Arminian power
            Arminian power 25 September 2013 01: 49 New
            0
            I haven’t seen one, but I wanted bi to look at these facts
            Quote: smersh70
            about this you know how many times Yarbai cited the facts ..
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 September 2013 17: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Arminian power
              I haven’t seen one, but I wanted bi to look at these facts

              No problem))))))
              On Wednesday, a trial was held in the Binagadi district court of Baku on the criminal case of the Armenian Sargsyan Edgar Eduardovich (born in 1985), who was trying to escape from prison.

              According to Day.Az, the trial is chaired by Judge Natik Abbasov.

              At today's trial, the prosecutor read out the indictment, which notes that on November 8, 2008 at 04.00:11, the accused Edgar Sargsyan received permission from the staff of Prison No. XNUMX to go to the toilet. He attempted to climb over gates intended for freight transport.

              Recall that, according to the verdict of the Court on Serious Crimes of Azerbaijan, E. Sargsyan was found guilty under articles 150.3.3 and 132 of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan and sentenced to 14 years in prison with a sentence in a maximum security penal colony.

              In October, November, December 2007 and February 2008, the previously convicted 23-year-old E. Sargsyan committed sexual acts against his younger 7-year-old sister and 10-year-old mother’s brother, with whom he lived together.

              After the younger brother told what happened to his mother, E. Mammadova, Sargsyan beat his brother. On February 23, 2008, he was arrested on the basis of a complaint from his mother by police in the Sabail district of Baku.

              Read more: http://news.day.az/society/145454.html

              Rescuers of the Ministry of Emergency Situations found the body of an elderly woman in the Surahan region of Baku. As the press service of the Ministry of Emergencies told 1news.az, the department’s hot line, 112, received information that Roza Baydkova Bagdasarova (born in 1934), who lives in the Surakhansky district, has not answered for a long time to knock on the door and make phone calls. Emergencies Ministry rescuers quickly arrived at the scene. From the neighboring balcony they entered the balcony, located on the 6th floor of R. Bagdasarova’s apartment. In the apartment they found the body of the mistress, who showed no signs of life. The called doctors found that R. Bagdasarova died. In turn, the Police Department of the Surakhani district 1news.az reported that the 79-year-old woman was an Armenian by nationality, and she died a natural death.

              Details: http://1news.az/society/incidents/20130628035437816.html
              Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to 1news.az
              1. Arminian power
                Arminian power 26 September 2013 05: 02 New
                0
                and in your children’s tales can be called facts ...... fool
                request
        2. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 24 September 2013 23: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Arminian power
          VRAT ETO NE XOROSHO

          They live and you know it! And in Turkey near 300.000 there are 100.000 of them illegal immigrants!
          1. Arminian power
            Arminian power 25 September 2013 01: 52 New
            +1
            not convinced
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Live and you know it
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 26 September 2013 14: 01 New
            -1
            Quote: ayyildiz
            They live and you know it! And in Turkey near 300.000 there are 100.000 of them illegal immigrants!

            they were always a fast-forgetful and certainly ungrateful tribe !!


            1. Gabriel Noradunkyan - in 1908-1913 - Minister of Commerce, then Minister of Public Works and finally Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Ottoman Empire (1912-1913)
            2. Oskan Mardikyan - Minister of Communication of the Ottoman Empire (1913)
            3. Samuel Israel - chief of the Istanbul police (1910)
            4. Oskan Manikyan - Minister of Post and Telegraph (1913-1914)
            5. Bedros Khalachyan - Minister of Trade (1910-1912)
            6. Bedros Kapamadzhiyyan - Governor (Vali) of the Van Region (1909-1912)
            7. Garegin Pastirmajyyan - deputy of the parliament of the OI from Erzurum (1908-1912)
            8. Birch Kerestedzhiyan - Head of the Ottoman Bank (the only empire bank, state bank) - 1911-1935. Member of the 3rd convocations (5th, 6th and 7th) of the Great National Assembly (parliament) of the Republic of Turkey.
            9. Hakob Maratyan - head of the Turkish Language Organization (Institute) - Turkish language reformer, appointed by Ataturk himself

            source: Mesrob K. Krikoryan Armenians at the Service of Ottoman Empire: 1860-1908, London-Boston, Routledge, 1977
            1. Arminian power
              Arminian power 28 September 2013 11: 05 New
              -2
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 28 September 2013 12: 05 New
                0
                Quote: Arminian power
                Arminian power



                "punched" your avatar on Google and was not at all surprised, in the picture "asala" is an armenian secret army for the liberation of armenia a terrorist organization carrying out terrorist acts around the world.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 September 2013 17: 33 New
          -3
          Quote: Arminian power
          Quote: smersh70
          Yes, we have 30000 Armenians

          VRAT ETO NE XOROSHO negative

          What are you mate jahn what lie)))))))))))))))))
          They could not learn from you)))


          In the capital of Azerbaijan, a citizen of Armenian origin sued the Nizami District Police Department.

          As transfers AZE.az with the reference to APA, a citizen of Armenian origin residing in the capital of Azerbaijan filed a lawsuit against Nizami RUP.

          Zhanna Shahmuradyan filed a lawsuit in the 1st Baku Administrative and Economic Court in connection with the fact that she encountered a bureaucracy while issuing her an identity card.

          The preparatory court hearing was held on May 15.


          The trial is scheduled for May 22.
          http://www.aze.az/news_armyanka_jivushaya__77034.html


          For example, in our old courtyard, located on Mirali Gashgay Street (formerly Zavokzalnaya), there were six Armenian families who were forced to leave their homes forever in the early 1990s. But my three then-young neighbors, who looked more like mountain Jews or fishing rods, made a very bold decision and stayed in Baku. One of them, Julia, who once worked at the Azerbaijanfilm film studio, changed her profession and went to managers. Another married an Azerbaijani and became a housewife.

          Well, the third - Luda Arushanova, became an accountant and actively engaged in public life in one of the humanitarian foreign organizations. Over the past twenty years, she outwardly has changed a lot. Today it is difficult to recognize in this sedate woman the once-quick-skinned thin girl. Probably, difficult years affected, stress, especially during the period when she raised her son and daughter to their feet and brought them to people. Or maybe longing for relatives and friends in the yard, who today balk around in the Russian expanses.

          I talked with Luda Arushanova, who eagerly talked about how she, a Baku Armenian, had been living all these years.
          http://vesti.az/news/45547
          1. Arminian power
            Arminian power 26 September 2013 05: 10 New
            -2
            Show me an Azerbaijani passport with an Armenian surname and an indication of nationality
          2. Arminian power
            Arminian power 26 September 2013 05: 46 New
            -2
            If there are no concrete proofs of your words do not pop these footcloths.
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 21: 08 New
    +5
    Azerbaijan is not going to organize Islamist camps on its territory. That's all.

    The United States by the hands of the Islamists is destroying any form of statehood, turning the Middle East into a kind of unified mass without borders.
    And Azerbaijan will not be an exception. Azerbaijan is preparing for this, and is doing the right thing.
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 24 September 2013 21: 55 New
      +1
      Azerbaijan is preparing for this, and is doing the right thing

      It is true that the main goal of the presence of the armed forces is to protect statehood, whatever it may be. Armenia and Azerbaijan will never fight in the current alignment of forces, but a hypothetical entry of Azerbaijani peacekeepers into Iran to protect fellow tribesmen (about 16 million!) Compactly living there is quite possible under a certain alignment of events on the world stage.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 24 September 2013 22: 53 New
        -1
        Quote: zart_arn
        a hypothetical entry of Azerbaijani peacekeepers into Iran to protect tribesmen living there compactly


        we have nothing to do there, so that we can fight against fellow tribesmen)))) we have a problem in the occupation of 20% of the territory ... they wounded too late, we will return them ..... hi
        1. zart_arn
          zart_arn 24 September 2013 22: 56 New
          +2
          we have a problem in the occupation of 20% of the territory ... wounded too late we will return them .....
          Well, this is only after the restoration of the USSR.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 23: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: zart_arn
            Well, this is only after the restoration of the USSR.


            the slogan of all communists)))) at my place of work, too, the local communist says this every morning)))) and I --- it’s not harmful to dream, it’s harmful not to dream fellow
            1. zart_arn
              zart_arn 24 September 2013 23: 48 New
              0
              It was a joke. In general, in the event of an erratic relationship between ordinary ..lee and ordinary ... drunk, both will receive several days of arrest! Also a joke, or maybe not ... laughing
    2. MREDBEST
      MREDBEST 24 September 2013 22: 21 New
      +4
      Well, can it be that at the end of all the comments at least one sensible met expressing the opinion is the same as mine! Guys, how can you seriously take articles by Alexander Khramchikhin? You read his previous materials and draw conclusions!
      You look at what is happening in the Middle East, what is happening there, all the countries of this region, who value their sovereignty, spend huge amounts on the purchase of weapons to ensure peace on their borders. What kind of war with Armenia can we talk about when everything is burning around like that ?!
      Please do not minus, because I just expressed my opinion!
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 24 September 2013 22: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: MREDBEST
        Please do not minus, because I just expressed my opinion!

        Minuses to be afraid, do not write comments !!! laughing
  • 1goose3
    1goose3 24 September 2013 21: 55 New
    +3
    Normal situation. The country, in this case Azerbaijan, is buying military equipment and weapons. There is money, there is a desire. Russia will not sell products, will sell another supplier. I think the same will happen if Armenia wants to buy it. And will they fight each other or not, this is a matter of the presence or absence of reason.
    I don’t think that today the main problem of Azerbaijan is Armenia and vice versa. The situation in the region was repeatedly discussed at the forum, you just need to remember.
    1. zennon
      zennon 24 September 2013 22: 28 New
      +2
      Normal situation. The country, in this case Azerbaijan, is buying military equipment and weapons. There is money, there is a desire.

      That's right. I actually don’t see any problems. The quotation from the article is all the more surprising:
      The arms trade is, by definition, somewhat immoral.
      By what definition? Why immoral? Far-oh-oh, not all countries can create modern weapons systems. Although here we have to read how another "Burkina Fassa" develops its own fighter. For the most part, people on the forum are sane and understand that this is Just nonsense! How many countries can develop, say, TRDDF? And produce it? On the fingers of one hand. And everyone needs an army. I consider it an honor that Russia is one of such countries! Well, trading a high-tech product is much more honorable than raw materials. Am I wrong?
  • Sorry
    Sorry 24 September 2013 22: 31 New
    0
    And who else remained in Armenia? One president and catholicos probably. All Armenians throughout the south of the Russian Federation. And they feel great. Let them go and protect their interests, and they have money. If NKR is a sovereign state, then what does the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan have to do with it? And if the NKR was part of one of the Union republics (I don’t remember which one), then of course it is now a sovereign state and should restore constitutional order there. Expel impostors and rule yourself. Or let go on all sides of the horizon and not bother with them. What peaceful affairs is not enough? And weapons need to be sold according to the Chinese model and even more. The military-industrial complex also wants to support its families normally. How do you guess in this world who and when will be your enemy? Even seemingly today's allies. Just think to the developers how to make sure that these weapons could not shoot against the Russian army. If a conflict arises, then he sent an impulse to equipment and weapons and it does not work. Aircraft do not take off, tanks do not move, etc. While they will sort it out, our troops are already in all the dominant positions, and our commander is sitting in the presidential palace.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 24 September 2013 23: 14 New
      -1
      Quote: Pardon
      And who else remained in Armenia? One president and catholicos probably.


      Bravo good drinks
      Quote: Pardon
      And if the NKR was part of one of the Union republics (I don’t remember which one),

      in the sotava of Azerbaijan .. but not the NKR .. but the NKAR ...
      Quote: Pardon
      it is now a sovereign state and should establish constitutional order there.


      I completely agree!!!!! good
      Quote: Pardon
      Expel impostors and rule yourself.

      which is what we’ll do !!!! who will take citizenship ... graces, please .. a note to the Armenians living in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh --- Azerbaijan is ending the payment of deposits left from the time of the USSR. 01.01.1992. so hurry good everyone needs money)))))
  • zart_arn
    zart_arn 24 September 2013 22: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: chehywed
    Minuses to be afraid, do not write comments !!!

    That's for sure! There is no need to be afraid of cons, they are nothing compared to the truth. "What is the strength, brother? .... In truth"
  • avg
    avg 24 September 2013 22: 51 New
    0
    Armenia was getting ready for Europe. Russia raised the price of gas and sold weapons to Azerbaijan, thereby replacing the Armenian "pike vests" who like to speculate on global politics, earning good money and increasing influence in the Caucasus. In the meantime, Armenia is in the CSTO, Russia will not allow them to fight seriously, well, perhaps only the blitzkrieg "ala Saakashvili".
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 23: 02 New
      +1
      Which Europe, citizen) Armenia is already joining the Customs Union, and a railway will be built for trade with Georgia through it.
      What's wrong smile
      1. avg
        avg 24 September 2013 23: 11 New
        +1
        At the time of the sale of weapons, she was just going there. hi
      2. alone
        alone 24 September 2013 23: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        Which Europe, citizen) Armenia is already joining the Customs Union, and a railway will be built for trade with Georgia through it.


        but about the turnover, the idea is interesting. do you even know that most of the enterprises that are in Armenia and capable of producing something are the property of Russian companies. what kind of turnover can be discussed? are you going to sell your own goods?))))
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 23: 32 New
          +1
          No. Goods produced in Armenia will go to Russia and vice versa.

          most of the enterprises that are in Armenia and capable of producing something are the property of Russian companies, and what kind of commodity circulation are we talking about? Are you going to sell your own goods?))))

          I guess that means ....
          it means....
          that the goods produced at the enterprises of the Russian owners can teleport ???
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 24 September 2013 23: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        a railway will be built for trade with Georgia through Georgia.


        why build if there is an Abkhazian section of the road))))) by the way, and you asked Azerbaijan and Georgia _))) after all, Tbilisi will coordinate any transit freight with us, as the largest investor of money in the Georgian economy ... even a branch, by which gas is supplied to Armenia, belongs to an Azerbaijani company ... fellow
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 23: 34 New
          +1
          Georgia has already been asked. I explain: not me personally. Competent people)
          1. alone
            alone 24 September 2013 23: 40 New
            +3
            you think so)) otherwise the Georgians would not climb into the EU
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 23: 41 New
              0
              you think so)) otherwise the Georgians would not climb into the EU
              Why?
        2. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 24 September 2013 23: 50 New
          0
          smersh70
          Yours, by the way, would also be nice to join)
          1. alone
            alone 24 September 2013 23: 52 New
            +3
            you don’t need to enter somewhere. You can cooperate with bilateral relations. too many parasites gather in unions. we don’t have to feed them
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 25 September 2013 00: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Yours, by the way, would also be nice to join)

            we with the invaders in one company have nothing to do !!!!!! they still occupied our territory, and we take off our business we will do) 0no already)) everything only after the world !!!!!! then please !!!!!! !
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 25 September 2013 00: 40 New
              0
              It’s cheap and cheerful, and I don’t want to teach pilots and install pylons and bombs, it’s eating almost like a 2110, small and nimble just for solving small problems.
            2. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 25 September 2013 11: 17 New
              0
              smersh70
              Well, and to whom are you doing worse (
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 25 September 2013 11: 52 New
                0
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                Well, and to whom are you doing worse?


                of course to the neighbors .... they are in blockade .. mass emigration .... the lowest standard of living after Tajikistan ...
                and our budget is larger than Armenia and Georgia at large .. only the military budget is larger than the budget of Armenia itself .... 60bn.dolarov stock .... equal economic relations with all neighbors .... it was not enough to feed parasites)))).
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 24 September 2013 23: 48 New
    +1
    Look deeper. Peace and tranquility in that region was possible only with an external strong master, mentor. Joseph Stalin at the head of the USSR, the elder big brother, was just like that, plus everything he knew well about history and the national question. Remember the Azerbaijani roots and Armenian roots. Remember the confrontation of different faiths. As a result, get what we have now. In my opinion, Russia simply decided not to put on co-religionists, but on a stronger one. In relation to Russia, this amount of weapons does not play a strategic role. It plays with respect to Armenia. Plus, it should be taken into account by all participants in the discussion, there are probably moments of secret diplomacy that you (ordinary mortals) should not know. Although I am far from positive feedback about our current government, but in this situation I hope that she will act competently.
  • turan_up
    turan_up 24 September 2013 23: 53 New
    0
    Why didn’t anyone ask - and if Azerbaijan disarmed, lost combat capability, did Armenia need the Russian Federation? Immediately would have seized on EuroPop. And so they are afraid .. And they ask for allies .. And it is impossible in their conflict to definitely support one of the parties.
  • Voroshilov
    Voroshilov 25 September 2013 00: 35 New
    +1
    And we will have allies, as expected, two - the army and navy.

    We already have only two of them, and I would not build illusions about the strength of the allied blocs.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 September 2013 03: 30 New
    -2
    So to speak. For us, all alliances with partners ended in scam. We were thrown for money, for contracts. Then they either forced or persuaded to write off huge debts (the same scam in essence). We are already helping Syria. All the same, the transportation of weapons to them, although outdated, is worth a lot. And we are losing a lot due to the support of Syria in the international arena. Moreover, in the money. And Azerbaijan .... If they pay money, why not sell them. Indeed, in case of war, we will have something to destroy it all with.
  • Grif
    Grif 25 September 2013 04: 23 New
    -1
    There is still such a thing-electronic bookmarks in the software. The squeal about the weapons being sold to Azerbaijan is largely unjustified. The most destructive types of weapons simply will not be able to shoot in our direction. Remember Iraq.
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 25 September 2013 07: 04 New
    +3
    It’s not clear why the author considers the contracts with Azerbaijan to be contracts with the enemy, we have no problems with Azerbaijan as there are no problems with Armenia, we don’t make sense not to sell weapons to Azerbaijan in the first place they will buy it anyway but we won’t earn it, and secondly why quarrel with a neighbor on unprincipled matters.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 September 2013 10: 00 New
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    Arms deliveries to Azerbaijan, a friendly visit by the Iranian Navy to us .. And all this before the peak of the Syrian crisis .. In the event of a military conflict in the Middle East, Azerbaijan must be well armed to be ready to repel a wave of distraught militants who will rush to Asia and the Caucasus well to Russia .. (and possibly to enter Iranian territory to protect its borders, well, Russia will not stand aside ..) But I think Armenia is from the side of the hot spot here ..