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Where the Kremlin will hit. Six scenarios of failure of the association of Ukraine with the EU ("LІGA" Ukraine)

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Where the Kremlin will hit. Six scenarios of failure of the association of Ukraine with the EU ("LІGA" Ukraine)What methods and scenarios can the Kremlin apply to thwart Ukraine’s association with the European Union?


Two months later, Ukraine must sign one of the most important documents over the years of independence - an agreement on association and a free trade zone with the European Union. On the scale of the document and its key provisions, the editorial LigaBusinessInform wrote in detail in June. In essence, the treaty boils down to the fact that Ukraine politically and economically links the quality of its statehood with the European Union. And although the signing of an association agreement does not guarantee the country's membership in the European Union, it opens up the possibility of transforming Ukraine into a full-fledged European state living - and this is the most important thing - according to EU standards and rules.

The clumsy actions of the Kremlin in relation to Kiev led to the fact that in the current short period of historical time, the interests of the ruling administration in Ukraine coincided with the vector of European integration. The banking and inner circle of Viktor Yanukovych played out the theme of the trade war and financial threats of the Russian Federation. It is so good that even in the opposition media the current president was called the bastion of independence. The habits of the current government - the suppression of economic and political competition, the criminal prosecution of the opposition, the substitution of public dialogue with PR wars - are still the main threat to the association. In general, the current Ukrainian political elite is a material that is very resistant to external influences and provocations.

The Association of Ukraine with the EU will bury the hopes of the Russian regime for drawing Ukraine into the future Eurasian Union, whose creation in Moscow has been set to be 2015 year. According to many experts, without Ukraine, this union will be incomplete and devoid of meaning. Moscow is determined to prevent Kiev from getting closer to Brussels, and the stakes are higher than ever. Sources in law enforcement agencies, intelligence and diplomatic circles told about possible scenarios for LIGABusinessInform events, and politicians and political technologists also shared their thoughts.

Special services

The first scenario concerns the actions of special services and boils down to a set of measures designed to create political, economic and media prerequisites for disrupting an association. We have to admit that the Russian lobby in Ukraine has already achieved something. Recently, several documents indirectly confirming the catastrophic state of affairs in the sphere of state security have appeared in the press. One of the documents describes a large-scale action plan to prevent the European integration of Ukraine. If you analyze it, it becomes clear that in many points the plan has already been completed. Sources in diplomatic circles claim that this document really existed as one of the real plans of Moscow and its associates in Ukraine. Nothing can oppose the Russians and their influence in Kiev - counterintelligence activities are on the verge of collapse due to systematic underfunding, personnel shortage and the commercialization of special services in private interests. However, the work of the Ukrainian intelligence services is a separate topic.

A couple of weeks ago, a letter appeared to the network to President Yanukovych signed by “former and current employees of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Ukraine”. The reliability of the document is difficult to establish. Sources in law enforcement agencies cannot unequivocally confirm or deny the facts stated in the letter about the Russian lobby in the leadership of Ukrainian intelligence. The interlocutors of LIGABusinessInform say that the situation in the sphere of state protection from the influence of foreign agents on the verge of collapse is barely enough - there is barely enough money to pay the staff, and the quality of the staff is getting worse from year to year. In such conditions, it is not necessary to speak about the effective activity of not only our own residents in the territory of other states, but also countermeasures within the country.

“It all started with Yushchenko, when an entire floor of one of the buildings of the Ministry of Defense was handed over to one of the Western intelligence services. This was supposedly happening in the framework of cooperation with NATO, but it reached the point of absurdity - even ministry employees couldn’t move freely around the floor. “But the authorities did not understand the difference between the Foreign Intelligence Service and the Central Intelligence Directorate, did not understand the specifics of the work of these departments and did not want to understand,” says one sednikov.
The situation is similar in the Security Service of Ukraine, with the only difference being that the office of Alexander Yakimenko is better with money. But with specialized personnel problems no less than that of intelligence. Under Yanukovych, the SBU is transformed from a special service into an appendage of fiscal authorities working with business. A public demonstration of the critical state of the domestic counterintelligence system was the abduction by Putin of the special services of the Russian oppositionist Razvozzhaev in Kiev.

The position of the country's leadership in this area is incomprehensible. Despite the sharp situational bias from Russia, at the level of special services, they either do not want to resist foreign agents inside the country, or they don’t know how, or they don’t fully understand the seriousness of the problem. The threat of foreign intelligence services is difficult to overestimate - it is not only about the possibility of listening to the first persons of the state and manipulation by political leaders, but also about possible provocations against citizens.

Ex-deputy head of the Security Service of Ukraine, General Alexander Skipalsky, in his commentary LIGABіznesІnform confirmed the presence of a strong Russian lobby in today's intelligence. But he believes that the situation can still be corrected. “Yanukovych must immediately clear the special services of Moscow puppets. There are enough people who disregard the interests of Ukraine,” the general said.

Skipalsky noted that the main problem of Ukrainian intelligence is that it builds relations with colleagues from Moscow without taking into account the main goal of the Kremlin - the weakening of Ukrainian statehood. It is precisely the passivity of the intelligence community and the absence of a strategy that led to the fact that the trade war against Ukraine was a surprise to Kiev, Skipalsky said.

The general predicts that on the way to the EU, the main problems will arise not inside, but outside - in the EU countries themselves, where people loyal to Russia sometimes occupy very high positions - ranging from heads of government and ministries to ordinary politicians. “For European integration, this is more dangerous than chariot charles or tsars in Ukraine,” Skipalsky concluded.

Brainwashing

The second scenario is to disorient Ukraine’s partners in the EU as much as possible, on the one hand, and Ukrainian voters, on the other. Public opinion is a key point in the war for influence on the processes inside Ukraine. Given that the majority of Ukrainians prefer integration into the EU, Moscow is trying, if not to achieve a shift in public opinion in favor of its geopolitical projects, then at least to keep the split at the level of “50 on 50”. According to interviewed political consultants, millions of dollars are constantly pouring into these tasks in Ukraine to develop media loyal to the Kremlin and feed politicians and experts.

As it became known, in the near future a group of Russian political technologists was to come to Kiev with the task of creating the necessary media phone to thwart Ukraine’s signing of an association agreement with the EU at the Eastern Partnership Summit in Vilnius. As a source at the headquarters of the Party of Regions told LIGABusinessInform, the famous Russian political strategist Yevgeny Minchenko, who advises the Vice-Premier of Ukraine Yuriy Boyko, should lead this landing. A massive propaganda campaign in the style of United Russia was planned with the involvement of the media, labor collectives and various public organizations. According to the source, representatives of the Russian group met with Viktor Medvedchuk and consultant Mikhail Pogrebinsky, close to him. “These groups are charged with coordinating their work, but most likely Medvedchuk was not satisfied, since the arrival of Muscovites means that his position on the issue of propaganda of the Customs Union has been somewhat shaken,” said a government official. Subsequently, on Bankova, representatives of this group were made to understand that their PR activity would be blocked by administrative methods.

Minchenko himself, in the commentary of LIGABusinessInform, claims that all this is not true. “I just finished dealing with elections in Russia. And I don’t even care about Ukraine. I don’t know Medvedchuk. I know Boiko for a long time. Previously (in 2005-2007) I was advised on political positioning. But I advised a lot of people in Ukraine (including Yulia Tymoshenko (in 1997-1998)). Now we just occasionally communicate, however, as well as with many other Ukrainian politicians and experts, with whom we have friendly relations since the times when we were really very active in Ukraine I don't know where these rumors come from. I think that someone is trying to divert attention from himself, "he said, adding that he did not consider Medvedchuk to be the person who could represent Russian interests in Ukraine.

Political analyst Pogrebinsky also denies that such meetings were held. “I am familiar with Minchenko, but the last time I saw him six months ago. We didn’t have any meetings with Medvedchuk with Minchenko,” he said.

One of the Ukrainian political consultants told LIGABusinessInform that Minchenko has serious contacts in Brussels that he could use. According to another expert, Russia cooperates with some lobbying organizations in Brussels, one of which at one time helped the Russian Federation create Ukraine the image of "a country that steals gas." The turnover “tyrit gas” in relation to the Ukrainian colleagues was repeatedly used by Vladimir Putin. “It’s interesting that later the same specialists were hired by the Ukrainian side to protect their image,” said the source. Since the Russians have previously managed to spoil the reputation of Ukraine in the eyes of Europeans, it is possible that they will try to repeat the method.

Economic pressure

The recent situation with the passage of Ukrainian goods through the customs of the Russian Federation has demonstrated which information channels will be the main ones in relations between Ukraine and Russia after signing the association with the EU. So far, the tool of economic pressure has not been fully applied. Rather, it is about propaganda. For example, in Moscow they constantly talk about default, which is about to come in Ukraine, and they also predict a landslide devaluation of the hryvnia. The situation is complicated by the fact that the current economic situation for Ukraine does bear significant currency risks, unfavorable forecasts come not only from Russian but also from Western structures, and the government and the National Bank, instead of a transparent dialogue with the market, get off with major press releases. For example, the newly appointed head of the NBU from 11 in January of this year did not give a single press conference.

According to Eric Naiman, managing partner of Capital Times investment company, the closer will be the date of the signing of an association agreement between Ukraine and the EU, the more difficult will be the economic relations between the Kremlin and Kiev. “But as for the default of Ukraine, it is a windbag” (For details, see the material “Why Russian bankers predict a currency crisis in Ukraine”).

In the European Union, they realize that economic pressure may affect the position of Ukraine. A recent resolution of the European Parliament says that certain provisions of the association agreement and free trade zone will have to come into force immediately after signing. This should help Ukraine to settle faster in the European market and reduce potential losses from Moscow’s actions.

Tymoshenko's security: a personal blow to Yanukovych

No matter how paradoxical it may sound, the security of Yulia Tymoshenko should now be the first concern of President Yanukovych and businessmen from his entourage. According to one version, the authorities are really afraid that foreign special services may organize a provocation against the opposition leader, who is serving a sentence. If the opponents of the association get to the main opponent of Yanukovych, Ukraine, in the eyes of Western partners, will fall into one basket with rogue countries. There will be no talk of association with the EU in the coming years.

Versions that the president can authorize sending Tymoshenko for treatment in Germany for more than six months. Then the mediator was the ex-US ambassador to Ukraine, John Tefft. The last time the relevant negotiations were held at the highest level during the visit of the German Foreign Minister to Ukraine. But, in the opinion of one of the spin doctors, the moment is delayed before the summit in Vilnius, because the former prime minister can still be used as a hostage in negotiations with the EU. In addition, Bankova is not sure that foreigners will be able to ensure the security of Tymoshenko until the day of signing. However, in this case, we can talk not only about Tymoshenko, but also about any oppositionist whose last name is well known to the foreign press.

Another provocation is a loud crime against journalists. At one time, it was the murder of Georgy Gongadze and the films of Major Melnichenko that created Leonid Kuchma - regardless of his role and the role of his entourage in this crime - the image of a dictator subjected to isolation in the West.
“The task may be to provoke an incident through which the European Union will not be able to cross. Ukraine has enough people recruited by Moscow in the special services who can take part in the implementation of such a scenario,” said Ukrainian political consultant Taras Berezovets.

Power provocation

Another scenario is associated with a civil or military conflict in Ukraine. There is at least one point on the map of the country where the necessary conditions exist for such a scenario - Crimea. From the first days of Ukrainian independence, Russia fed autonomy with money, sponsoring pro-Russian movements and organizations. Under the pretext of the development of Ukrainian-Russian friendship, millions were allocated to the development of various cultural programs that have nothing to do with friendship or culture. As a result, the struggle for public opinion in the Crimea, Ukraine is losing. Most Crimeans associate themselves with Russia.

Shake the situation on the peninsula can in a matter of days, using any reason. The events of August 2008 of the year in South Ossetia dispelled doubts whether a forceful scenario of relations between the once fraternal states is possible. However, full-scale provocation with the use of force is one of the toughest options that the Kremlin can only decide on as a last resort. Much more likely to work in the EU, aimed at disrupting the ratification of the already signed association agreement.

Gas diplomacy against ratification

Since the agreement will have to be ratified by the parliaments of all 28 states that are part of the European Union, plus the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, all Moscow needs to do is to help at least one state not to do this. Tools can be very different - from the influence of Gazprom to the pressure through diplomatic channels. Moscow does not even have to blackmail the EU countries. In the conditions of a difficult economic situation, it is theoretically possible to succumb to temptation and, for example, to exchange ratification for a gas discount. In addition, the Kremlin has something to offer European partners in the field of international security, which are only the Syrian or Iranian problems. If Russian diplomats use the capabilities of their state effectively, then the ratification process can drag on for years. Public delays can be explained by the failure of Ukraine to comply with any requirements, non-compliance with EU criteria. In addition, Ukrainian politicians and authorities are always ready to "help" with reasons.

Valeriy Chaly, Deputy Director General of the Razumkov Center for International Affairs, believes that if there are hardly any countries in the EU that are ready to play the Russian game, they will be “in a very unattractive position”, actually speaking out against the consolidated position of Brussels when signing the association. However, the expert is not sure that Moscow has enough resources to try to implement this scenario.

The delay in the ratification of the agreement will lead to the fact that Ukraine will be in limbo, in a gray zone of danger between the European Union and Russia for many years. At the same time, Moscow will retain its influence on Kiev and will be able to step up attempts to thwart the process of European integration, forming pro-Russian movements in Ukraine and littering the country's information space with information bombs and a false agenda from Kremlin political technologists.

The bottom line with President Yanukovych and his entourage are not so many options. Either go to Moscow and surrender to the grace of Vladimir Putin, or still provide opposition to Russia in each of the scenarios. It will no longer be possible to abandon the EU in favor of the Customs Union with the Russian Federation without losing face and political humiliation. This was confirmed by Putin himself, publicly demonstrating in Kiev, with whom he is ready to conduct a dialogue in Ukraine. To win in the growing confrontation with Russia, the authorities need to be one step ahead of Moscow’s plans and have wide support inside the country. But if it is not too difficult to predict the actions of the Kremlin, it is almost unreal task to win the trust of fellow citizens by imprisoning political opponents, squeezing business and undermining trust in the media.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 24 September 2013 07: 03 New
    12
    Or maybe everything is easier?
    Let them see how the Baltic states began to live happily and cheerfully in the EU and read what kind of sexual diploma they recommend to teach at school
    Whoever has brains, I’m not talking about politicians - there is very often a wallet instead of them, they’ll understand
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 September 2013 07: 38 New
      11
      The Kremlin’s clumsy actions towards Kiev have led the interests of the ruling administration in Ukraine to coincide with the vector of European integration in the current short period of historical time.
      Ha, this is a joke ... and again, the Kremlin is to blame laughing The author seems to have completely forgotten that the path to Europe has always been the main one since 1991. They damn to Europe, despite all the losses, and the Kremlin is to blame.

      Association of Ukraine with the EU will bury the hopes of the Russian regime
      So we have a regime in Russia, and I thought the president elected by the majority.
      “It all started with Yushchenko, when the whole floor of one of the buildings of the Ministry of Defense was placed at the disposal of one of the western intelligence services. This happened allegedly in the framework of cooperation with NATO, but it reached the point of absurdity - even the ministry employees could not move freely on the floor.
      What other absurdity is equal cooperation laughing
      The second scenario is to maximally disorient Ukraine’s partners in the EU, on the one hand, and Ukrainian voters, on the other.
      Again, these Russians are trying to hang the noodles on the ears of Ukrainians, oh, these Russians. For particularly stupid yesterday, Medvedev openly said that the path to the vehicle would be closed. Although at the same time, Azarov and Yanek hang noodles on the ears of their own voters and say no. by. Well, and who is dEbil?
      According to one version, the authorities really fear that foreign intelligence services may organize a provocation against the opposition leader,
      Yes, yes, yes, it’s Russian FSB agents who are getting ready to dunk Tymoshenko with polonium. This is an out, the disease cannot be cured. wassat
      The events of August 2008 in South Ossetia dispelled doubts as to whether a forceful scenario of relations between formerly fraternal states is possible. However, a full-scale provocation with the use of force is one of the toughest options that the Kremlin can decide only as a last resort.
      No, all the same, the author of this nonsense, certainly lies in one of the closed hospitals for the mentally ill. There are those who want to diagnose the author lol
      Since the agreement will have to be ratified by the parliaments of all 28 states that are part of the European Union plus the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine,
      And here you are the author who lies at the end. Ratification of the Rada is not needed, the document and all related agreements will enter into force from the moment of signing. Without ratification !!!
      Author Peter Shuklinov
      The author’s name is Russian, but the soul negative
      1. andrejwz
        andrejwz 24 September 2013 09: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Author Petr Shuklinov. Author’s name is Russian, but soul

        The name (surname) is by no means Slavic.
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Well done Petya, worked for five, Judas .

        Now much closer.
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 24 September 2013 11: 35 New
        0
        It remains to add, it is a pity the people living at the moment on a territorial misunderstanding called the Republic of Ukraine! Everyone decided for them, even refused the referendum, this is democracy in action - the will of the minority is imposed on the majority, that is, demagogy!
        1. slacker
          slacker 24 September 2013 23: 51 New
          +1
          Ukraine is a country of 404!
      3. DJEIN8
        DJEIN8 25 September 2013 09: 48 New
        0
        I have a question for EVERYONE .. Why so many articles written by PROVOCATORS and MORAL FREEDOMS began to appear on the MILITARY REVIEW ... many of which most likely do this not disinterestedly (which Russians are clear to everyone), involving all of us in discussing their writings ....
        (they are then interested in this ... give them to express their nonsense on such a site, and WE ... ???)
        Involuntarily the question arises ... WHY ... ???
        They impose their vision of problems on us ... the main thing is the fraud of FACTS and FALSE, and we spend time going on their occasion ...
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 24 September 2013 07: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      Or maybe everything is easier?
      Let them see how the Baltic states began to live happily and cheerfully in the EU and read what kind of sexual diploma they recommend to teach at school
      Whoever has brains, I’m not talking about politicians - there is very often a wallet instead of them, they’ll understand


      In short - the perpetrator of all Ukrainian problems was found. Whatever happens, Russia and Putin personally will be to blame.

      Well done Petya, worked for five, Judas ...
      1. elmir15
        elmir15 24 September 2013 10: 14 New
        +4
        I noticed that Russia is blamed for many troubles in Ukraine, even if Ukraine joins the EU association and life worsens, I won’t be surprised if Russia is again blamed for all troubles.
      2. Denis
        Denis 24 September 2013 17: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Russia and Putin personally will be to blame
        Cat threw kittens
        This is Putin's fault!
        The mistress left the bunny ...
        Who is guilty, guess?

        Not with the swamp and not edro, it's just stupid to blame everything. How many comments from the bold keyboard fighters today in the Internet dump about the crashed SU-25?
        Guilty Guess
    3. self-propelled
      self-propelled 24 September 2013 10: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis
      Or maybe everything is easier?

      the main thing is that it doesn’t work out all the more difficult - the way back will not be easy (if it is)
      1. Denis
        Denis 24 September 2013 17: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: self-propelled
        (if it will be)
        It was, and therefore it will be
        burn the reunification
        pleased with him.occupation in the 1-th World-USSR
        History is back, everything was once there
  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 24 September 2013 07: 12 New
    +6
    hi Petya, it’s too fat for Ukraine so much attention ... You’ll stay in the geys a little bit and request in the TS. wink
  3. 31231
    31231 24 September 2013 07: 18 New
    +9
    And again about nenko. Yes, how much is already possible ?! Yes, let her go wherever she wants.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 24 September 2013 10: 40 New
      0
      Quote: 31231
      And again about nenko. Yes, how much is already possible ?! Yes let him go wherever she wants

      Guys need to work out salaries laughing
  4. Humpty
    Humpty 24 September 2013 07: 18 New
    +6
    "Mazepa da Bandera grazed you
    Where they ate, there’s sorry and shit "
    Svidomye scoffed as before over their own people.
  5. awg75
    awg75 24 September 2013 07: 19 New
    +6
    good riddance .... we will not cry - then do not regret it yourself, residents are
    1. papik09
      papik09 24 September 2013 07: 50 New
      17
      What does "tablecloth" mean ?! And if I’m kicking and kicking against the EU? And not only me, but so many am, because everyone knows about the collapse of production in the Baltic countries after joining the EU. And, in general, according to the Constitution, should a nationwide referendum be held on the topic: "EU or CU"? And, here, many politicians of Ukraine (Efremov and others like him), who advocated friendship with Russia and put forward themselves as “pro-Russian” politicians, are actually setting the state’s population against Russia, that is, against the CU. But, after all, when the Party of Regions was in opposition with Yushchenko, all of them, almost with one voice, shouted that we did not need Europe, we needed Russia. Indeed, on this wave, the current government has come. And the beginning was not bad - Kharkov agreements were concluded. And then ..... a 180 degree turn from Russia. So here, somewhere. hi
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 24 September 2013 10: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: papik09
        What does "tablecloth" mean ?! And if I’m kicking and kicking against the EU? And not only me, but so many am, because everyone knows about the collapse of production in countries


        hi

        And who said that it is necessary to agree? It’s possible to raise someone to the forks if you don’t want slavery to the Sodomites ... you can run away to the edge, people with character are always held in high esteem.
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 24 September 2013 10: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: papik09
        What does "tablecloth" mean ?! And if I’m kicking and kicking against the EU? And not just me, but very many, because everyone knows about the collapse of production in the Baltic countries after joining the EU.

        Pavel Ivanovich! But after all, all comments like the previous one relate to Ukraine as a state led by the current composition of personalities. AND
        Quote: awg75
        then piss off.
        it belongs to them, and not to the people of Ukraine, which has the same impact on the desire of the country's leaders to join the FTZ, as Russia does. Those. almost none. And the fact that the fateful decisions for the country are made without taking into account the opinion of the country's population is of course complete ... in.
        1. papik09
          papik09 24 September 2013 14: 40 New
          +3
          Thank you for understanding drinks.
          But with your expression "... complete b ... in" I slightly disagree, because you TOO SOFT put it angry.
  6. My address
    My address 24 September 2013 07: 23 New
    +3
    The article is weak. There is no evidence, some vysosalki of the finger. Of course, the pressure on Ukraine will be, and how else, it is not Zimbabwe that falls under Europe.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 24 September 2013 10: 04 New
      +2
      Good afternoon, Alexander! Greetings to you from the city of Myshkin, Yaroslavl region. And there will be no pressure on Ukraine. Due to the fact that our authorities have already reconciled with the entry of Ukraine into the free trade zone with the EU. There will simply be massive barrage measures aimed at preventing the entry of goods from Europe through the Ukrainian-Russian border. Well, to the heap of Ukrainian ... Well, there, and not far to the visa regime, etc. Quite a reasonable measure. Healthy protectionism, so to speak. The fact that relations between countries are still going to go bad is obvious. Who will be worse, time will tell. If only they did not climb into NATO, but for the rest let them want to do ...
  7. Normal
    Normal 24 September 2013 07: 25 New
    +3
    All the described options for counteracting the course of Ukraine towards European integration do not guarantee a result. A complete change of course is possible only in the case of a complete change of leadership, and even then purely theoretically. The leadership in Kiev has been changing, and the course to Europe has been maintained all the time. Yes and there are no politicians in Ukraine who turn their backs on Europe and rush into the arms of Russia, since this means losing the ability to steer independently, which is unacceptable for a politician.
    And there were no examples that during the reign of the current elite in Russia would have been able to deploy the policy of a republic of the former USSR towards Russia. The maximum that was possible is to reduce the intensity of movement towards the West
  8. mirag2
    mirag2 24 September 2013 07: 28 New
    +3
    It’s a very competent and interesting article. True, I don’t agree with everything, but the most important thing: Ukraine, with all its independence, has the choice to join one coalition or another, right? And the fact is that these coalitions need it more than THEY To her. Roughly speaking. T.E. in fact, of course, it can lead a policy such as North Korea - the iron curtain from all countries - and everything will be okay for them. They will live normally without them, and that they will eat too. But no one will allow her to do this, here and Turkey (your interest), here Russia (your interest — and we don’t need to say that we need it only from fraternal feelings), here the EU and the EU also have a double interest for themselves — the market for their goods — in exchange for Lebnaum (living space, raw materials), and the second is to weaken Russia. On this side, Ukraine can be pitied. It has a situation that you have to choose. I certainly would like to see it as part of the TS.
  9. ole
    ole 24 September 2013 07: 30 New
    +4
    As Ukraine gained with its independence, it would be faster to enter into an association with the EU.
  10. tomket
    tomket 24 September 2013 07: 34 New
    +3
    before the European gay community, it’s not a plowed field in Ukraine that opens directly, is it interesting that the Ukrainians thought about this?
  11. Pit
    Pit 24 September 2013 07: 36 New
    +4
    Bullshit. In advance, they accused Russia of the fact that everything is not so and everything is not right. Go already, substitute, enjoy the love of geyropov.
  12. Sega
    Sega 24 September 2013 08: 01 New
    +3
    What was said and discussed in various articles happened. Already in advance they accuse Russia of the erroneous choice of Ukraine. In any case, Russia will be to blame.
    Dear brothers Ukrainians. Why all this chatter? Conduct a referendum independent of your elite and make an independent decision. The main thing is that everything would be transparent. How you live is up to you and only you. Nefig kick in the mirror. It’s just disgusting that all the mistakes of your elite are blamed on the damned. Is it time to take up the mind? Come to Russia and see how ordinary people live. Take a trip to Europe and look there. At least there will be a reason for comparison and the right choice. According to the zombies, they are brainwashed everywhere and praise what is missing. Do not believe the TV, look with your own eyes.
    1. tomket
      tomket 24 September 2013 08: 12 New
      +6
      it’s not a fact that Ukrainians will be allowed to live better than the Romanians, for example. The European Union has set itself the goals of not materially enriching ordinary Ukrainians and, moreover, not bringing the lives of ordinary people to some high standards, there are simply several tens of millions of serfs who have not disturbed anyone and they will work for a bowl of pottage, and again, the right of the first night in relation to the population can always be used, and if something happens, send it with a pitchfork to the enemy.
  13. demeen1
    demeen1 24 September 2013 08: 14 New
    +6
    It seems that Ukraine itself does not want to be in the EU, and somehow it does not suit to abandon its plans, it’s just to blame Russia for the machinations of not accepting Ukraine as the EU.
  14. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 24 September 2013 08: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: My address
    there will be pressure on Ukraine, but how else

    It’s too late to press, an article for domestic consumption in Ukraine that God forbid anything has changed. And our actions are simply preparation for a new quality of its statehood. If inside something changes dramatically, but there is silence.
  15. Sega
    Sega 24 September 2013 08: 39 New
    +1
    There’s even nothing to crush. Territorial pritenziya and kirdyk membership in the EU.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 24 September 2013 10: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Sega
      There’s even nothing to crush. Territorial pritenziya and kirdyk membership in the EU.

      The very naivety + ignorance of what the topic itself) "Kirdyk" could still be in theory, if accession to NATO was on the agenda (although Turkey and Greece were already mentioned). And here it’s not even the EU that is joining, but signing the association agreement, the whole meaning of which is the FTZ of Ukraine and the EU. What sideways trade can the territorial claim of Russia prevent?
      P.S. And your uber koment “to return Crimea and the problems with the sea borders will disappear immediately”, I remember from the next article) It characterizes you very well.
  16. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 September 2013 09: 00 New
    0
    The clumsy actions of the Kremlin towards Kiev have led to the fact that in the current short period of historical time the interests of the ruling administration in Ukraine coincided with the vector of European integration.

    Or maybe it’s too "oversized" actions of the ruling administration in Ukraine "tried to ensure that in a short period of historical time the interests of the ruling administration in Ukraine coincided with the vector of European integration? They invited the enemies of Russia
  17. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 September 2013 09: 01 New
    +4
    Yushchenko gave the entire floor of one of the buildings of the Ministry of Defense to one of the western intelligence services.

    The Association of Ukraine with the EU will bury the hopes of the Russian regime for drawing Ukraine into the future Eurasian Union, the creation of which is scheduled for 2015 in Moscow

    It’s more like YOUR MODE, wants it soon tear off Ukraine from Russia.
  18. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 September 2013 09: 02 New
    +1
    We have to admit that the Russian lobby in Ukraine has already achieved something.

    Or maybe it's still not the lobby of Russia, but the desire of the majority of the population of Ukraine?
    "Yanukovych must immediately clean up the special services of the puppets of Moscow. There are enough people neglecting the interests of Ukraine," said the general

    Or maybe it's Yanukovych - the puppet of the Western special services and the CIA, who openly say that they will not allow the revival of the USSR in any form? And is it necessary to THROW him off the chair of the President?
  19. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 September 2013 09: 04 New
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    the lack of a strategy led to the fact that the trade war against Ukraine came as a surprise to Kiev, Skipalsky noted.

    Well, VOSCHE ... But what, I wanted to sit in a Western armchair, but to EAT from the Russian table?
    According to another expert, Russia is cooperating with some lobbying organizations in Brussels, one of which at one time helped the Russian Federation to create Ukraine the image of a "country that steals gas."
  20. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 September 2013 09: 04 New
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    There are no words ... But what is there to create an "IMAGE"? And so it is not visible that he is a thief, although he steals in the open.
    Author - Peter Shuklinov- It is clear that GEYrope has "framed" its BACK for a long time, and wants all Ukraine to CANCER stand up.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 24 September 2013 12: 02 New
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      Quote: ia-ai00
      There are no words ... But what is there to create an "IMAGE"? And so it is not visible that he is a thief, although he steals in the open.
      Author - Peter Shuklinov- It is clear that GEYrope has "framed" its BACK for a long time, and wants all Ukraine to CANCER stand up.

      when harsh men write such things, it’s understandable (secret desires to bend someone’s thread with the letter si and do their job laughing ), but when a woman begins to write like that, it is either boiling, or if the grandmother had eggs, she would be a grandfather laughing .
  21. andrejwz
    andrejwz 24 September 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    The policy of the Ukrainian leadership is evidence of a complete loss of political / sexual orientation and gender / national identity
  22. 128mgb
    128mgb 24 September 2013 09: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: 31231
    And again about nenko. Yes, how much is already possible ?! Yes, let her go wherever she wants.

    Do not forget in Ukraine half "our former people." Help with a word. And yet, Ukraine is not torn to Europe, not the people, but the ruling elite.
  23. pensioner
    pensioner 24 September 2013 09: 54 New
    +1
    By the way. Then Russia took up a little for Lithuania. Despite all EU assurances about unconditional support for Lithuania in practice, the situation is slightly different. Here is what the sprats themselves say:
    According to political scientist Laurinas Kasciunas, one should not expect serious intervention from Brussels. “From the point of view of trade wars, there are no real instruments of struggle at the EU level, there are no specific institutions that could solve such issues,” he states. “Simply put, we currently have no one to call Brussels and ask for pressure on Russia.”
    The fact that trade and other "wars" with Ukraine will be, I have no doubt at all. Who can only intercede for her? Although, perhaps, the benefits of the FTZ with Europe will be SUCH that Ukraine will be able to cover the war with Russia of course ... Well then, you can only be glad for Ukraine. In any case, I don’t want anything bad for them, but I’m not afraid of getting ANYTHING like that either ...
  24. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 24 September 2013 09: 55 New
    +3
    No, they will not learn from the mistakes of others, only from their own. the prodigal son will return, but, alas, it will not be today, not tomorrow, but a few years after the contemplation of a huge European ass (in the literal and figurative sense) unfolded over nenko. most likely we will have to proceed from the EurasEC option without Ukraine at the beginning of our activity.
  25. vlad_pr
    vlad_pr 24 September 2013 11: 27 New
    +3
    It’s time to get used to the fact that Ukraine has chosen its own path. An association with the EU will be signed, there will be NATO (the first steps have already been taken - the military contingent in Iraq, with the result of 18 corpses and three dozen wounded). There will be a 50-year lease of farmland to the Chinese, initially 100 thousand hectares with an increase of up to 3 million hectares (roughly a piece of 300 per 100 km), and the Chinese will work there, according to their policy, Ukrainians will not be allowed there. Devils will pour into the ground to increase productivity until complete exhaustion. There are enough examples in the Far East and Siberia. From our side, it remains only to carry out the most severe tariff and customs policy, restrictions on the entry of migrant workers, etc. Economic ties will also be broken. There will be no referenda; the Ukrainian government will not allow it. All this is sad, but it is a reality. Sincerely.
    1. papik09
      papik09 24 September 2013 14: 36 New
      +1
      Oh, how I wish they were wrong, sir ... hi
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 24 September 2013 21: 02 New
        +1
        What SS decree does Pal Ivanitch minus you? I understand that TA, in which everything is already prepared for a new life. It remains only to materialize under the new owners. Well, how about 41 ...
  26. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 24 September 2013 12: 01 New
    0
    from the Don.
    The author is crying that the SBU has been killed in Ukraine! A great lie, if everything is known about the Kremlin’s plans!
  27. Corneli
    Corneli 24 September 2013 12: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: borisjdin1957
    The author is crying that the SBU has been killed in Ukraine! A great lie, if everything is known about the Kremlin’s plans!

    I would not say ... A couple of friends from there over the past couple of years have begun to complain about the "education" of the "young". they themselves learned from the USSR Guard, there is nothing to compare ...
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 24 September 2013 14: 12 New
      +3
      I have no idea about the SBU, etc., but Ukraine’s future semi-colanal dependence on the EU is unambiguously drawn. And about education, I can tell from my grandchildren, what they are presented with at school, "at least take out the Saints." It is necessary to change a lot of world and hard, unobtrusively, by examples, a little bit, unlike what is given at school. I took my grandchildren to the taiga, completely turned off ... If children after school pumping and animated cartoons in the style of "Masha and the Bear" consider this animal to be white and fluffy, then a collision with reality produces a completely different effect, even hysteria. When even an adult 35-40 years old for the first time sees peeled bark from cedars at a height of 2-2.5 meters, with furrows from claws 2-3 cm deep, the worldview changes very quickly. Well, I'm sorry, this is lyrics, I'm going to take my "green and tolerant" relatives to the taiga for the autumn mushrooms and oil on the weekend. I apologize for verbiage. Sincerely.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 24 September 2013 16: 32 New
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        Quote: vlad_pr
        I have no idea about the SBU, etc., but Ukraine’s future semi-colanal dependence on the EU is unambiguously drawn.

        Forgive me, but she’s more likely to be “drawn” among the foolish people of the media (in this case, more likely on your part). I communicate with a rather large contingent of people of my age from different countries, by and large they are all in shock! The shock of the actions of "our" Vlad, but from the actions and propaganda in Russia, too, "smiles" enough. Excuse me, but quite often I read the “pearls" from here ... and Petrosyan is resting sad This is despite the fact that I'm still sitting on this forum, and I'm trying to argue, because here it’s like adults, and not foolish zombies, with propaganda-washed brains, like our “Svobodovites”. But looking at 3-5 articles a day (with understandable overtones) and they are all about Ukraine being “unnecessary” to Russia ... like less and less you want to sit here and make some comments (propaganda ... everything is cooler and MUCH! I'm waiting for everything when the "themes end" but apparently not soon ... any garbage is already being written, if only about Ukraine.
  28. Moon
    Moon 24 September 2013 17: 19 New
    +2
    Recently, several documents came to the press, indirectly confirming the catastrophic state of affairs in the field of state security.

    These documents, published in the pro-American Mirror of the Week, were written there to show how Russia is not letting Ukraine go. It was laughable that Russia planned to carry out such a volume of work as described there (to implement and create) within 2-3 months.

    It is strange that nobody in Ukraine worried about state security when the US ambassador handed over the epaulettes of an academy graduate to that same security.
  29. Moon
    Moon 24 September 2013 17: 22 New
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    Quote: Corneli
    I've been waiting all the time for "themes to end" but apparently not soon ... any garbage is already being written, if only about Ukraine.


    In vain, topics are just beginning, ahead of the EU. wink
  30. shark
    shark 24 September 2013 17: 25 New
    +2
    First of all, Russia really needs Ukraine. I don’t know of a single republic of the USSR, the expense of which would be so painful in the hearts of ordinary Russians. Among other things, Ukraine is our (or our former, it’s convenient for anyone here) industrial outpost. To replace it, without loss we simply can’t do it. Ukraine is our control over the Black Sea, Ukraine is food and much more. Ukraine is a fraternal people with a rather high level of education. But why do people write the opposite here. From the tablecloth path to Ukraine in the EU, we don’t need it. "Yes, because the Ukrainian authorities have been trying to keep Russia in an unhealthy tone for all 20 years of independence. Constant flirting with the USA and European countries did not help strengthen brotherly love. Plus, massive treatment with Russophobia in Ukraine itself. Remember at least the lessons of peace 1 September, dedicated to the efforts of NATO in the cause of peace. All this caused impotent moans in Russia, which eventually grew into a deep apathy towards Ukraine. The people are waiting for a denouement. And in waiting for it includes a protective mechanism of indifference and nihilism. Everyone is tired and want one thing, let Ukraine quickly and definitively decide. This is where we will put an end to these cocklo-srach ..
    And I fundamentally disagree that the CU and the Eurosian community are meaningless without Ukraine. This is not so. Remember at least who forged mainly the weapons of victory in the Second World War, when Ukraine was crucified by the occupation? Just the same territories that are included in the TS. The significance of this region is underestimated. And it is there that over time an alternative to Ukrainian plants and factories will be born. And again, the final definition of Ukraine is in our hands. Having realized that we have nothing to wait from the west, we will begin to move more actively in the East. And among other things, it is in our power to make the CU an alternative to the EU. If it is attractive, we will watch with you how pro-Russian movements and moods will strengthen on our western border. Which will ultimately lead to reunification ..
    And finally, Uraina’s entry into the EU will be an excellent demotivator from such an action in the minds of Russian citizens. Each of us has relatives or friends from Ukraine. And when the depressive EU begins to etch the Ukrainian people from their own land (and this will be so) the amount eurofilov in Russia will decrease. And Ukrainians want to say goodbye, we were fine. Come back)
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 24 September 2013 21: 19 New
      0
      Quote: shark
      Remember at least who forged mainly the weapons of victory in the Second World War, while Ukraine was crucified by the occupation? Just the same territories that are included in the vehicle.

      What is it like?? Belarus was finally liberated almost in September 44. (from memory. Maybe not right ...) Industrial production there began at 46m (the same as above ...). Kazakhstan in terms of defense products of the Second World War is not at all a competitor to the Urals (at least to the Urals). So, I don’t understand about the same territory of the TS ... I apologize if something is wrong ...
  31. Moon
    Moon 24 September 2013 17: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: retired
    If only they did not climb into NATO, but for the rest let them want to do ...


    They are de facto already there.

    The Ukrainian armed forces plan to introduce communication systems, and even topographic maps according to NATO standards. Field communications will be provided with electronic equipment, an information security and cyber security system will be deployed in information and telecommunication systems.

    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to cooperate with NATO bodies on the development of a management system, communications and information technology. At the headquarters of NATO are going to serve six Ukrainian officers. In addition, the Ukrainian mission to NATO is planned to be provided with an encrypted communication channel, and all civil servants who deal with NATO secret documentation will have to pass certification for access to it. http://www.segodnia.ru/content/128570
  32. MG42
    MG42 24 September 2013 17: 35 New
    0
    Six scenarios of disruption of the association of Ukraine with the EU

    Items 1 and 2 are unlikely.
    paragraph 3. Very real, but only too late in time.
    point 4. Actually, since the topic with Tymoshenko as a joker in the sleeve of one of the parties, it is likely that it will be urgently released before the summit or sent to Germany for treatment, then the EU will take it with a bang and close its eyes to many imperfections in Ukraine ..
    n. 5. Realistically, but it is unlikely that they will be resolved in the Kremlin ..
    p. 6. Actually, only ratification and signing is somewhat different and time-stretched ..