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The heat party will win in Ukraine

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In the west, there are clever uncles and aunts, there are still supercomputers, analytical centers, there are still gypsy fortune-tellers, shamans and octopuses who migrated there, guessing the results of football matches. So, all of the above have already calculated that one way or another, Ukraine will fall back into the sphere of influence of Russia.


The EEC cannot offer anything to the most Svidomo country in the world, apart from the possible easing of the visa regime (the wipers and nurses who come from Asian and African countries do not want to work) and to protect the “oppressed” gays and lesbians from Nezalezhnoy. I am speaking now not about oligarch bandits, but about their voters.

Judging by the obviously impracticable, humiliating and absurd preconditions of the “association agreement”, the true purpose of Europe is the final destruction of Ukraine’s industry and infrastructure.

Starting from November, before our eyes, there will be a rapid filling of the domestic market of the country with Western goods while reducing (quoting) exports in the opposite direction, we should also expect complete or partial closure of the CU zone for Ukrainian goods. All this will lead to a massive reduction in production, the closure of enterprises, an increase in the number of unemployed, inflation, a rise in energy prices, etc.

Of course, this will cause a strong drop in the standard of living of the population and against the background of Ukraine. Against its background, Russia will be a prosperous power, not even with, to put it mildly, high levels of life of the latter. Imagine two typical apartment buildings: for one of them the name of the management company begins with the letter “P” and the other with “U”. If the first thing is bad, it is poor, but they do repairs, they change plumbing and electrics, despite numerous thefts and waste in the form of financing sports events of the district or even city scale, then the residents of the neighboring house will not see it (repair) very soon. At the same time, bills for rent "U" exposes a lot more than "P" (by the way, they and P are not at all small). When “P” offers its house management services to its neighbors, let “U” not be surprised that they were asked to leave.

There is still time before this event, our western "partners" still have a few years to weaken their global rival, Russia as much as possible. What will Moscow get in Ukraine in 5-10 years? Deeply subsidized region, a pile of ruins at the site of factories. Depreciation of bridges, roads, hydropower plants, housing and public utilities will be close to 100% and we will have to restore all this, to spend money from our non-rubber budget.
So it was already 1943 - 44, when the previous European integration project was rolling downhill.

The integrators, with the support of local Russophobes and simply thugs, retreating, destroyed all the more or less significant objects, poisoned the wells, carried out "measures" to reduce the population in temporarily occupied territories.

After regaining control over the territory of Ukraine, Moscow had to spend a lot of time and effort to restore everything that was destroyed by the “enlightened” Europeans and their voluntary helpers from the local ones.

Now the same thing happens, only by other methods. Do not think that I exaggerate, one история with the extraction of shale gas, followed by pollution of groundwater in the vast territory, there will be a “better” poisoned by fascists wells. Interestingly, the authorities of Ukraine do not have the forces and means to "overhaul" the railway track, and there are at least some of the roads to be dismantled. Let us add here the reduction in the number of nenki residents over the years of independence by as much as 6 million people and direct analogies with the events of more than half a century ago will be more than relevant, except that this time the west is all white and seems to have nothing to do with it.

But why should Russia and the people of Ukraine bring matters to the extreme? On whom people oriented to Russia and just common sense can rely on which political force? At the moment, except with the reservations of the Communist Party of Ukraine, there is no such force. But soon things can change, and it is not for nothing that Yanukovych and his European friends signed the signing of the contract before the onset of cold weather.

This winter a new “gas war” will begin, as Yanukovych and Co. will pay for gas in the next calendar year, if this is only because of its shortage they have already owed 7 billion of eternally green fines. Of course, they refer to the criminal Tymoshenko. She supposedly entered into an unauthorized contract, but let them go to the forest on this issue in Ukraine, and in Moscow the Khrushchev’s rule can be declared criminal, with all the consequences.

In winter, the matter will again reach the “technical selection of gas”, again it will receive less in Europe, again we will be declared guilty of pressure on the baseline, again as a result there will be bargain between our countries. Russia is unlikely to extend the stay of the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea to 3000, but Yanukovych has nothing more to offer, and Moscow will have to talk with Brussels, because By 2014, Kiev will not have any authority to independently negotiate. For some reason, I immediately recalled one phrase from Zadornov, although he spoke about Americans.

If earlier, Ukraine, as an ally and future partner in the CU and the Eurasian Union, could gas up gas somehow now, then we'll figure it out, now this number will not work. Do not go to the fortuneteller, Russia will remain deaf to the neighbour’s sobs and shut off the tap, despite financial losses in Europe.

The next day, the President of Ukraine will make an emergency appeal to the nation, where he will say that the insidious Muscovites want to put our nenka on their knees "with their stinking gas" (the EU and NATO flags can be hung in the background, because Saakashvili did it) ... " ... but the Euroselection is unshakeable - Viktor Fedorovich frowns angrily in all TVs of the country - albeit frostbitten, but we will reach Europe, faithful to the precepts of Mazepa, Bandera and Yushchenko. "

Metallurgical enterprises of the country hastily switch to the production of ultramodern wood-fired boilers, which are located in quarters (and why not to stand), in which stoves are easily recognized. Heads of regions, cities and small villages, setting a personal example, are going to chop down nearby forests, parks, squares.

“We will not allow klyatym Muscovites to blackmail us with their own gases!” - when this slogan was pronounced by Ukrainian scientists, a sharp decrease in the effect of cold on the body of a true svidom citizen was noticed, and all others were declared agents of the Kremlin.

Around the world, the country is gathering freezing, but not conquered, country of warm blankets, socks and pants with fleece. A nine-year-old boy from Ohio drew a bright sun on a piece of paper and sent it to freezing peers in Ukraine, followed by thousands of boys and girls all over the globe. The Russian women's volleyball team was bombarded with empty lighters in protest. The whole enlightened world, following the boycott of Russian vodka, stopped buying jerseys, hats - earflaps and matryoshka. The Council of Europe angrily condemned Russia “for attempting pressure” on Ukraine and decided to cease cooperation with Russia in the oil and gas sphere from the 2100 year.

The whole country froze in the absence of heat, people do not need out on the street, and only brave girls from FEMEN bravely shake their boobs at the Russian Embassy in protest against Russian arbitrariness.

Russia is being urged, threatened, begging for “pushing gas”, arranging a “zero option”, giving a loan, and in response Ukraine receives clear and legally flawless answers. Hand on heart, we can say that for fraternal Ukraine the price of gas is greatly overestimated, but ...

But this gas for free is not given to us. We are forced to spend huge amounts of money on maintaining old fields and developing new ones, laying roads and pipelines, building houses far beyond the Arctic Circle and related infrastructure, equipment, solarium, staff training, and wages.

My friend works as a surveyor "in the north." On the watch, he can easily meet a clubfoot in natural, so to speak, conditions, severe frosts in winter, midges in summer, problems with washing - to wash, with normal hot food. It earns well, but in my opinion, for months, an empty, albeit expensively renovated apartment, an idle machine for a long time, unsettled personal life is not compensated by high earnings.

Naturally, all these expenses of Russia should at least be “recaptured,” and it is desirable to get a good profit at the same time. It is also natural that “mercilessly making profit” is possible only on strangers, but for its own people one must somehow be godly. Here Vologda is its own city, Astrakhan is also its own, we have a lot of our non-gasified villages and villages in the Urals, Minsk, despite regular economic disputes, is also ours. Finland, thanks to their sensible policies aimed at mutually beneficial cooperation, is much more its own than fraternal Ukraine.

You want to Europe - so let it warm you. Want to be independent - be independent in the first place in the economy. Ukraine reminds a young lady who wants to live separately from her parents, but at the same time emotionally demanding that mom and dad pay her bills for light and heat.

So, the residents of Ukraine, having spent a week or two alone with Santa Claus, will immediately realize that what they want most is the usual heat in their apartments. The funny thing is that this is the most warm, as paradoxical as it sounds, from the north, and from the west only empty promises and fake smiles. Yanukovych will not be able to convince voters that the Muscovites are to blame, and he is all in white, no one will believe him.

People will begin to clearly understand that the whole - all political beau monde of Nezalezhnoy is a party of the cold. Concerned about the status of the Russian language - vote for Yanukovich, cause sympathy for the gum in national attire - for Tymoshenko, like brutal boxers - for Klitschko, "dragging" on Bender - for you in Tyagnibok. It does not matter who the residents of the long-suffering Ukraine will vote for, the main thing is that these all tipchiki represent the COLD party. Only a new force, the force of HEAT can fight with them.

The lower the temperature of the thermometer in an unheated due to the party of cold, the more supporters will be in the party heat (PTT). Attempts by the authorities to declare a new force “the fifth column of the Kremlin”, or in defending the interests of Moscow are simply ridiculous - people, having tasted “European integration”, will simply want to live a normal life. What will happen next: “frosty Maidan” or victory in the elections in a year is not important anymore, it is important that ordinary people make their choice.

Something similar has already happened in the history of Ukraine. In the period between Khmelnitsky and Mazepa, the top of Zaporozhye (Ukrainian Cossacks) zadolbala Little Russia for its multi-vector nature. Depending on the immediate needs and “requests of foreign sponsors,” hetmans and foremen oriented themselves to Poland, then to Turkey with the Crimea, then to Sweden. And the lower Cossacks and villagers needed safety first of all, so that there would be no more devastating raids of the Crimean people and the permissiveness of the lords. To build houses, harvest crops, raise children.

Then defense of external frontiers, safety was important, and now stable, affordable heat is just as important.

You know, heat and cold constantly fight among themselves, this is especially noticeable in spring and autumn. Winter in Ukraine has dragged on for a long time, but I believe that a long-awaited spring will soon come to a country not foreign to me.
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  1. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 23 September 2013 08: 15 New
    31
    "Hasn't Ukraine died yet?"
    And we are on. We will help.
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 23 September 2013 08: 33 New
      -32
      the author went too far, especially with apartment stoves, housing in Ukraine is heated by gas produced in Ukraine
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 23 September 2013 08: 51 New
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        Quote: maxvet
        housing in Ukraine is heated by gas produced in Ukraine

        Are you sure about that? And why, then, the increase in payment for gas is dumped on the fact that "Russia takes a lot for its gas"? And the gas comes with such impurities (which is openly admitted by the gas workers themselves, who check the heating before the start of the season) that it is not clear where the gas is there! And the massive automatic shutdown of gas boilers, where it is protected from low-quality gas (in the private sector) confirms this.
        1. maxvet
          maxvet 23 September 2013 09: 04 New
          -7
          Elena, the origin of gas does not affect its price. Proven by Gazprom in the Russian Federation. With impurities, we are troubled, immigrants from Middle Asia say that the gas there was different (the flame had a different color and the smell of gas was different)
          1. Quiet
            Quiet 23 September 2013 09: 24 New
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            the smell of gas was different

            hi Sorry !! But the gas itself has no smell ... Apparently in Wed. Asia's "flavoring" is different ....
            1. maxvet
              maxvet 23 September 2013 09: 30 New
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              So I wrote about impurities
              Quote: Quiet
              . With impurities and we muddy,
              1. maxvet
                maxvet 23 September 2013 09: 31 New
                0
                Oh, I quoted myself, but Quiet was the author of the quote request
                1. Quiet
                  Quiet 23 September 2013 09: 36 New
                  +1
                  Oh, I quoted myself, but Quiet was the author of the quote

                  ...it happens ..... what
              2. Gregazov
                Gregazov 23 September 2013 17: 25 New
                +3
                To control gas leakage, perfumes that smell or stink are added to the gas.
            2. Algor73
              Algor73 23 September 2013 09: 58 New
              -12
              How is gas odorless? What gas is odorless?
              1. maxvet
                maxvet 23 September 2013 10: 11 New
                +2
                propane, and so that a gas leak is detected, butane is added to it (it just occurred to me, can this be a word to undo?)
                1. Refund_SSSR
                  Refund_SSSR 23 September 2013 10: 37 New
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                  Quote: maxvet
                  propane, and so that a gas leak is detected, butane is added to it (it just occurred to me, can this be a word to undo?)

                  Natural gas is 95-98% Methane (CH4)
                  Natural gas has no smell ... for a person absolutely does not.
                  For its identification, special devices are used - gas analyzers (in industrial conditions).
                  To identify gas by the consumer, the gas is odorized.
                  Natural gas odorants, is a substance such as ethanethiol (C2H5SH)
                  Or others ... There are options, as it were.

                  Ethane, Propane and Bhutan, (like Methane), are components of natural gas. Their content in the rock gas is not large.
                  In associated petroleum gas, the methane content decreases, and the content of heavier fractions increases, depending on the particular case.

                  "Dirty", the gas can already become in the pipes of the Nezalezhna wassat
                  Sand (dust), scale and other embellishments of the poor technical condition of the pipes, as well as the rare routine maintenance of cleaning the internal cavity of the pipes - these are very real and quite objective phenomena.
                  1. densh
                    densh 23 September 2013 12: 14 New
                    +8
                    Natural gas additives (for smell) are called mercaptans.
                    1. Refund_SSSR
                      Refund_SSSR 23 September 2013 12: 51 New
                      +5
                      Well, at least you would have scored in Google, since you have not been taught chemistry since childhood ... ethanethiol (ethyl mercaptan) (C2H5SH) I just brought the formula for such "smart guys" .. wassat
                      And methanethiol and ethanethiol (without the use of mercoptan), but this is a substance!
                      Thiols (mercaptans) are sulfur analogues of alcohols of the general formula RSH, where R is a hydrocarbon radical, for example, methanethiol (methyl mercaptan) (CH3SH), ethanethiol (ethyl mercaptan) (C2H5SH), etc., the term "mercaptans" is deprecated in IUPAC terminology and not recommended for use

                      "additives" are called odorants, and what they are - this is the tenth question, actually I wrote about this too.
                      1. densh
                        densh 23 September 2013 13: 06 New
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                        Sorry "smart guy" educated before Google and terminology
                        IUPAC / repeat
                      2. Refund_SSSR
                        Refund_SSSR 23 September 2013 13: 19 New
                        +7
                        I’ve been working in the oil and gas industry for 7 years, plus how many more I studied and always called odorants a group of substances whose purpose is to give a smell ... But mercaptans always called a group of substances united by chemical properties featured.
                        If you don’t see the difference ... then I don’t know what you studied there ...
                        Yes, and dig into the name of the substance (although in chemistry several names for one substance is the norm), when even the formula is indicated ... see chemistry from class 6 they skipped hi
                      3. densh
                        densh 23 September 2013 14: 00 New
                        +4
                        Somehow I’m not going to correct you, not to teach you hi
                        But the goal of adding mercaptans to natural gas is to give it a smell (odorization), I only had this in mind request
              2. chemerisov
                chemerisov 23 September 2013 17: 35 New
                +1
                Propane, butane obtained from oil by distillation
            3. chemerisov
              chemerisov 23 September 2013 17: 33 New
              0
              Ethyl mercaptan odorant is added to detect gas leaks.
          2. Tambov we ...
            Tambov we ... 23 September 2013 12: 39 New
            +2
            Carbon monoxide. Although smelling, even matzai - it doesn't smell. Otozh.
            1. slacker
              slacker 23 September 2013 14: 52 New
              +6
              What will Moscow get in Ukraine in 5-10 years? Deeply subsidized region, a pile of ruins at the site of factories. Depreciation of bridges, roads, hydroelectric power stations, housing and communal services will be close to 100% and we will have to restore it all, spend money from our non-rubber budget.


              Very good thought. I have long argued that Russia should not invest in Ukraine.
              After a few years, Europeans will try to attach dried up mummy of jewelry to everyone with an extra charge. It was then that the leadership of Russia would be able to slowly estimate who and on what conditions in the territory of the state 404 could be included in Russia, and whom (for example, Galicia) would be doomed to the fate of the European ghetto.
              1. Avenger711
                Avenger711 23 September 2013 18: 08 New
                +4
                The sooner we expel the hetmans, the less we swell in detuning.
              2. FC SKIF
                23 September 2013 21: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Loafer
                Very good thought. I have long argued that Russia should not invest in Ukraine.

                worth it.
                Quote: Loafer
                After a few years, Europeans will try to attach the dried-up mummy of jewelry to everyone with an extra charge.

                will not. This is our problem
          3. alex13-61
            alex13-61 23 September 2013 12: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Algor73
            What gas is odorless?

            This is methane, that is, natural gas has no smell, and to quickly detect a possible leak, a flavor is introduced specifically.
      2. 31231
        31231 23 September 2013 12: 08 New
        +2
        Gas will not be different. It is different before the gas treatment facility, after which it is the same. In any case, we have in the Urals and in Western Siberia.
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 23 September 2013 14: 20 New
        +3
        The flame has a color primarily from the installation of excess air. The closer to blue, the more you burn gas, but it does not burn out. To hell with the fact that it is wasteful, it is also very harmful. The more transparent the flame, the closer the color to the yellow straw - the more air in it. With the breakthrough of the optimal set, this is also not sugar, the flame is too hot and very unstable, at any moment it can break off the burner and go out.
        As a rule, in Central Asia big problems are not with gas. There is an ambush with gas workers, Ivanov-workers do not attack all Abdurakhman-chiefs .... Non-burning gas smells bad and passes through an uncleaned burner once in 30 years. It has a strange color and the smell is still the same. Yes, and a new burner that no one set up ... Call the guys gas workers. It’s really worth it ...
        1. chemerisov
          chemerisov 23 September 2013 17: 41 New
          +2
          A yellow flame, a lot of gas, little air. A breakout of a flame, a lot of air, small gas. A blue flame, everything is normal
    2. MG42
      MG42 23 September 2013 14: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      Quote: maxvet
      housing in Ukraine is heated by gas produced in Ukraine
      Are you sure about that? And why, then, the increase in payment for gas is dumped on the fact that "Russia takes a lot for its gas"

      Ukraine produces about 20 billion cubic meters. This is enough gas per year for the population in terms of cooking gas, and water heating at the CHP in the summer, for the CHP is not enough in the winter. Now why are they raising gas prices, arguing that Russia has raised the price, because our Ukrainian oligarchs, chemists and metallurgists, in particular, also need cheap Ukrainian gas for their enterprises, here it is "freebie"? and expensive Russian ones can also be included in the cost of production. bully

      Currently, Ukraine produces about 20 billion cubic meters. m of gas, and another 35-49 billion cubic meters. m imports from Russia.
      According to Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, the country will be able to increase gas production by 3-5 cubic meters. m by 2015 through the use of two new floating drilling rigs that will be used for work on the Black Sea shelf.

      More details: http://oilreview.kiev.ua/2013/09/09/ukraina-ezhegodno-budet-vkladyvat-po-1-mlrd-
      v-geologorazvedku-prirodnogo-gaza-stavickij /
      1. abdrah
        abdrah 23 September 2013 22: 21 New
        +3
        It’s about the same as Belarus’s oil and oil production; we ourselves produce about 10% of the oil needed by the country on our territory and its cost is significantly lower than Russian. Therefore, gasoline made from this oil is used for state services, police, medicine, as well as people with disabilities have a certain monthly limit of Belarusian fuel.
  2. Garrin
    Garrin 23 September 2013 09: 23 New
    +8
    Quote: maxvet
    the author went too far, especially with apartment stoves, housing in Ukraine is heated by gas produced in Ukraine

    The gas extracted in Ukraine might be enough for the needs of housing and communal services, but the fact is that most of it goes for sale.
  3. Misantrop
    Misantrop 23 September 2013 09: 33 New
    10
    Quote: maxvet
    housing in Ukraine is heated by gas produced in Ukraine
    Almost all of this produced gas is exported, "heating" the pockets of a small handful of oligarchs ... Moreover, it leaves at a very considerable price, since its quality is higher than the Turkmen
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 September 2013 09: 45 New
      +6
      Quote: Misantrop
      Almost all of this produced gas is exported, "heating" the pockets of a small handful of oligarchs ... Moreover, it leaves at a very considerable price, since its quality is higher than the Turkmen

      I do not know. laughing Here is our President arguing with the President of Lithuania
      Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine:
      - First year we pay more for gas, lower Europe is approximately 150 dollars. First price for writing, ganenego pleasing 2009 rock.
      Dalia Grybauskaite, President of Lithuania:
      - Lithuania pays 30% more than Germany. And a little more than Ukraine pays today.
      Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine:
      - Well, I’m confused about what you have mercy on. Say, be a weasel, the price you have.
      Dalia Grybauskaite, President of Lithuania:
      - 479 dollars.
      Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine:
      - Well, 479 dolarіv. And what kind of transport? Price for transport?
      Dalia Grybauskaite, President of Lithuania:
      - This is immediately for a thousand square, cubic meters.
      Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine:
      - So from the view of the price of transport for Ukraine - the minus 60 dolarіv. Vi 479, in Ukraine you are guilty of such a price as 400. And mi payable for year - 529. On a happy day.
      Dalia Grybauskaite, President of Lithuania:
      - Then discount 100.
      Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine:
      - So, what’s the price, what’s the reason for the discount? Discount - ce base, v_iskova base. That’s how it’s supposed to fry here for us. I want to tell you, there’s a discount for three rocky songs — and so no matter what you know, all the same - I won the bill 12 miarlyard dolarіv. Discount. And zbitki (losses) - b_lya 20 milyard_v. The cripples fell on the economy, on the shoulders of the Ukrainian people.
      http://podrobnosti.ua/podrobnosti/2013/09/20/931425.html
  4. komsomolets
    komsomolets 23 September 2013 11: 30 New
    +6
    I don’t think I’ve gone too far. Ukrainians will be banned from installing independent heating. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, headed by its chairman Mykola Azarov, proposes to prohibit disconnection from centralized heating networks and hot water supply without the permission of local authorities. Otherwise, fines await compatriots - from 340 to 1360 hryvnias. The reason for the ban is air pollution and lower air temperatures in apartments that are connected to central heating.
    Read more here: http://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/ukraincam-hotyat-zapretit-avtonomnoe-otoplenie-322276.
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    1. Kars
      Kars 23 September 2013 12: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: komsomolets
      from centralized heating networks and hot water supply without the permission of local authorities.

      )) like now it’s possible in a different way))) At least some are wise and bearing walls .. to plan ..
  5. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 23 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +1
    and gas is produced from the GTS.
  6. 31231
    31231 23 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +2
    From the pipe Naftohazu mined, og. Bgggg. Overwork.
    And that sho smells like a swamp of Western Siberia, so this is nonsense.
    1. MG42
      MG42 23 September 2013 15: 16 New
      +4
      Well, these gas pipelines were once built in the USSR with joint efforts and production was established, and there are still shift workers there from Ukraine, well, this is lyrics, and so >>
      Azarov said that with a further decrease in Russian gas pumping volumes to the EU, Ukraine will conserve 2 gas pipelines ..

      Maintaining the throughput capacity of the Ukrainian gas transmission system at 120 billion cubic meters m per year in conditions of a significant decrease in Russian transit is very costly for Ukraine. This was stated by Prime Minister Mykola Azarov at the forum "Yalta European Strategy".

      "Ukraine cannot bear such colossal costs alone. Maybe we should mothball two lines, leave 50 billion cubic meters? Let's make a decision together for the future," he said.

      According to the prime minister, Ukraine is ready for any option, but is waiting for certainty for a decision. He recalled that Russia annually supplies about 150 billion cubic meters to Europe. m of gas, and the Ukrainian gas transportation system after modernization is able to pump 200 billion cubic meters. m

      "But over the past year, our pumping volumes have almost halved. And now we operate such a gigantic system at about 60% of its capacity, and these are our costs. The question of the European Commission is why should we bear them alone?" He recalled that Ukraine joined the EU Energy Charter, hoping that it will be able to resolve these issues together. “But it didn't work out together,” N. Azarov stressed.


      http://minprom.ua/news/133447.html
      1. Moon
        Moon 23 September 2013 19: 14 New
        +2
        He does not preserve anything, this is a stupid blackmail of Europe and Russia, they gave Schaub the pennies, and it is better if Europe forces Russia to pump gas through Ukraine. Everyone is now just dreaming of how Europe will protect the winter.
  7. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 23 September 2013 12: 37 New
    0
    And where is it mined ???
    1. MG42
      MG42 23 September 2013 15: 06 New
      +7
      Where is Ukrainian gas produced? In the Kharkov and Poltava regions, as well as on the shelf of the Black Sea, Boyko bought new oil rigs from a tridoroga, now the s.r.a.s. natural gas will be produced not only in the Donetsk region, but also zapadentsev have recently been ordered to give permission ..

      The latest news >>


      The deputies of the Ivano-Frankivsk Regional Council on September 20 nevertheless voted in favor of an agreement under which the American oil and gas company Chevron will produce shale gas in Ukraine. According to Korrespondent.net, 62 deputies voted for the ratification of the agreement, one against, one more abstained.

      81 out of 114 deputies participated in the vote. Representatives of the nationalist party "Freedom" refused to attend the session.

      In late August, the Legislative Assembly of the Ivano-Frankivsk region refused to approve the agreement with Chevron. The deputies called the gas production project “the destruction of Ukrainian land,” and representatives of Svoboda were the most active against cooperation with the Americans.

      Chevron won the hydrocarbon production contest at the Oleskoye field, located in the Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv regions, in May last year. The Ukrainian Chevron structure plans to invest up to $ 25 billion in the development and production of shale gas on the site.

      By developing the site, Ukraine expects to significantly reduce its dependence on Russian fuel. Reserves of the Oleskaya area are estimated at one and a half trillion cubic meters of gas, while the annual gas production in Ukraine is about 20 billion cubic meters.


      http://lenta.ru/news/2013/09/20/shale/
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 23 September 2013 15: 28 New
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        Quote: MG42
        now, s.r.a.n.tsevsky gas will be produced not only in the Donetsk region, but also zapadentsev have recently been taken away to give permission ..

        Deputy of the Ivano-Frankivsk Regional Council Yuri Romanyuk told very interesting things about the government agreement:
        Firstly, the area of ​​the Ivano-Frankivsk region is 13,9 thousand square kilometers, as the territory of a small country. In accordance with the text of the agreement, 45,49% of the territory of the region or 6, 234 thousand square meters. km go to the investor as a “contracted area”. That is, Chevron receives half of the area for use.
        Secondly, the signed agreement concerns not only shale gas, but also provides for the extraction of everything that the investor finds on the territory obtained for use at a depth of 0 to 10 kilometers. In other words, 50% of the bowels of the Ivano-Frankivsk region were sold offal to an “investor."
        Thirdly, for technical needs, the investor has the right to extract gravel, clay, chalk, lime, sand and, most importantly, water, in the required volumes in any area. In addition, the agreement says that if an investor needs to extract water outside the contract area, the state of Ukraine is obliged to provide him with this free right.
        Fourthly, the government provides a “mining allotment” and a license for this “contracted area”. From this point on, no other company that would like to drill oil or gas in the traditional way of production will be able to do this, because Chevron will hold a license for the territory for at least 50 years. Those. created megamonopoly.
        Fifth, clause 18.1. (J) expressly provides force and armed protection of the investor from possible hypothetical protests and acts of disobedience of the local population of the region: "Ensuring the maintenance of public order within and outside the Contract Area, if necessary, in accordance with the legislation of Ukraine."
        Sixthly, Chevron gas will not become cheap, since clause 28.1., And 30.3. The draft Agreement establishes the right of an investor, without quotas, to sell produced hydrocarbons abroad, which belong to both the investor and the state. In clause 28.2. there is a mechanism for submitting a written application for the right to receive one’s share not in money but in hydrocarbons, only after 180 days. That is, in fact, the same Gazprom can safely buy this gas, having offered a price a couple of dollars higher.

        link
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 23 September 2013 15: 32 New
          10
          Clause 39 of the Agreement: "Refusal of state immunity"
          “The state waives immunity solely for the purpose of this Agreement. Such a refusal applies to all court decisions, decisions of international commercial arbitrations, decisions in proceedings regarding the preliminary provision of a claim, as well as the implementation of decisions of judicial and arbitration bodies


          The new emblem of Ukraine will soon become so
          1. MG42
            MG42 23 September 2013 15: 51 New
            +5
            Quote: Ascetic
            Clause 39 of the Agreement: “Waiver of State Immunity”

            It is obvious that the United States began to lead a campaign to develop the Ukrainian territory, the new ambassador's statement quite recently, as you can see, the words do not differ from the deeds >>

            US ambassador wants to help Ukraine strengthen energy independence
            18.09.2013

            US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt intends to actively cooperate with the Ukrainian authorities in strengthening the energy independence of Ukraine.
            "I will start by saying that I am very determined to cooperate with the Ukrainian government in strengthening Ukraine's energy independence. There are several directions on the way to this goal," the ambassador said in an exclusive interview with Interfax-Ukraine.

            He mentioned joint projects aimed at energy efficiency within the USAID, work to streamline the Ukrainian market, including through reimporting gas from Europe, renewable energy, cooperation in diversifying sources of nuclear fuel supplies for Ukrainian nuclear power plants, and organizing shale gas production .
            According to Payette, shale gas production is the most revolutionary direction for Ukraine.
            "In this direction, we are talking about cooperation with two large companies Chevron and Exxon Mobil Corporation. These companies are ready to bring to Ukraine the most advanced technologies that are environmentally friendly," the diplomat emphasized.
            According to him, these two private companies are directly negotiating with the Ukrainian government and act promptly in the interests of Ukraine.
            “It is obvious to me that the world energy markets are changing very quickly. Therefore, it is in the interests of Ukraine to sign this agreement as soon as possible,” the American ambassador stressed.


            http://banker.ua/bank_news/govregulations/2013/09/18/1180462859/

            Ambassador Jeffrey R. Payєtt
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 24 September 2013 09: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: MG42
              cooperation in the diversification of nuclear fuel supply sources for Ukrainian nuclear power plants
              Guess three times TVS from which manufacturer this "disinterested assistant" will push through? lol Not only that, he will also try to push through the construction of the nuclear power plant. Similar to those on Fukushima
        2. michajlo
          michajlo 23 September 2013 15: 46 New
          +4
          Ascetic SU Today, 15:28 _130923 / week

          Good afternoon, dear Stanislav!

          Thanks for the links quoted. good Indeed, TNK-Chevron is an unselfish American "investor", a friend of the "Ukrainian people" ?!
          More precisely, the jackal, who paid for the "bones for the Kiev political elite."

          By the way, if we are talking about such "advanced technology" as the production of shale gas on the east-north slopes of the Ukrainian Carpathians (the whole of Stnislavshchina is there, that is, "Ivano-Frankivsk region") and is located. My old friend, lives in Kosiv (mountainous region), I was reminded of 9 months. ago, that in the last year or two - water DROPPED in wells and boreholes in the Kosivsky district and many of his friends doctors carry big barrels and cans of drinking water and for technical needs.

          What would such interesting facts mean in your opinion? Have you heard Stanislav about this problem in Kosiv or other areas?
        3. abdrah
          abdrah 23 September 2013 22: 33 New
          +3
          so here he is what Ukrainian fox ..
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 24 September 2013 09: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: abdrah
            so here he is what Ukrainian fox ..
            This is not him yet. The Arctic fox will start when the fracturing starts. This region is part of the so-called "arc of instability" stretching from there through the Crimea and the Caucasus. Geologically unstable area with a high probability of geological activity ...
  • Crocodile
    Crocodile 23 September 2013 08: 37 New
    +2
    Most likely THIS is warm and counting!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 08: 16 New
    25
    Want to Europe - so let it warm you. If you want to be independent, be independent in the first place in the economy
    For more than 20 years, Ukraine is independent !!! 22 years ago, the then leadership promised the Ukrainians to live, as if in storage ..... belay In principle, the leadership of Ukraine did not deceive anyone when it was said that WE would live, as if in storage, they live then, and the people of Ukraine are nuuu, and that actually the people repeat
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 23 September 2013 08: 35 New
      +9
      The LGBT army from geyropa will actively support this issue on a rotational basis! Warm with bodies!
      1. AVV
        AVV 23 September 2013 09: 38 New
        +5
        When it becomes quite tight and cold Yanukovych and his advisers quickly emigrate to gay rap, the benefit is stolen in abundance, and the people will remain and will simply survive !!! The current rulers will not be able to stay in the same position as Tymoshenko and Do not be prosecuted for the genocide of their own people !!!
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 23 September 2013 08: 57 New
      15
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Want to Europe - so let it warm you. If you want to be independent, be independent in the first place in the economy

      Calm down, people! "If the bride leaves for another, then it is not known who is lucky!" Not yet evening! Even if the signing of the association takes place, then with the indomitable desire of our "figures" to steal and deceive, to cheat a partner, etc. Europe will still howl! They themselves will break the agreement! ”However, now the question of Tymoshenko has been raised again -" Sort it out before October 15 ". But here you can't put pressure on VFYa. (And the EU thinks that she has already climbed on his neck and can drive him.) And he will kick up and at the very last moment will turn 180 degrees.
      1. Pit
        Pit 23 September 2013 09: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Egoza
        And he will buck and at the very last moment will turn 180 degrees.

        Yes, it’s unlikely that his good, not acquired by hard work, is not in Sber
        holds. And if he turns away, then his work is not feasible, it will sink into oblivion. So
        which is unlikely.
        And who will allow it? He’s not there. Maybe he would risk his goodness,
        but the rest there will be too much for one. With giblets eat, from
        armchairs without taking out.
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 23 September 2013 09: 42 New
          +3
          With giblets eat, from
          armchairs without taking out.


          Khan remains of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex !!! am Now they are forced to switch to the NATO standard ... crying
          1. Tambov we ...
            Tambov we ... 23 September 2013 12: 50 New
            +1
            It will not work to translate into NATO standards (EUROPE). You can translate tables from inch to metric, but how to translate the mentality ???
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 23 September 2013 09: 48 New
          +6
          Quote: Pit
          And who will allow it?

          In-in! As VFJ said -
          "Ukraine is between two large monsters. The European Union and Russia. And we feel this every day. And we cannot ignore or somehow take lightly this situation," the guarantor said.
          Read more here: http://ru.tsn.ua/politika/na-sammite-v-yalte-yanukovich-rasskazal-o-monstrah-au
          krainu-priznali-vliyatelnoy-stranoy-325055.html

          MONSTERS YOU ALL! MONSTERS !!!! Offend VFYA! And all our oligarchs! laughing
          1. Valery Neonov
            Valery Neonov 23 September 2013 12: 16 New
            +3
            And we can’t ignore or somehow take this situation lightly ...-so we put ourselves in this position ... laughing
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 23 September 2013 09: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        However, now the question about Tymoshenko has been raised again - "Sort it out before October 15".
        Oh, just the day before yesterday, in the next topic with foam at my mouth, they proved to me that for the sake of association Europe forgot about Tymoshenko, yeah wassat
        IMHO if Europe does not remind about something, then there is no need to rush to rejoice. She has not forgotten, but is just waiting for the interest to run. So we are preparing for the fact that "Lady Bublik" will not only be required to be released, but also the "moral costs of judicial arbitrariness" to compensate her ... what
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 09: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Misantrop
          Oh, just the day before yesterday, in the next topic with foam at my mouth, they proved to me that for the sake of association Europe forgot about Tymoshenko, yeah

          Who argued don't remember? Europe has never, never made concessions to anyone and will not come. They are accustomed to consider themselves masters, and Ukraine who is in their eyes. The coin is no more exchangeable.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 23 September 2013 09: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Who argued don't remember?
            A simple pencil is better than a complex memory lol
            Corneli (1) September 20, 2013 23:38 ↑
            Quote: Misantrop
            And now Ukraine will bend and ... release a thief. And then they won’t let them into Europe ... request
            We take and go here:
            http://topwar.ru/33539-evrosoyuz-zabyl-pro-timoshenko-iz-za-rynka.html
            The European Union "forgot" about Tymoshenko because of the market last night, they wrote on the same website. there it is painted about YUVT and what everyone wanted to lay on it

            http://topwar.ru/33518-ohlazhdenie-otnosheniy-mezhdu-ukrainoy-i-rossiey-na-ocher
            edi-okonchatelnyy-razryv.html # comment-id-1516632
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 23 September 2013 09: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              A simple pencil is better than a complex memory lol

              And? laughing Where is my "foam" in your quote? Referring to an article on the same site about the Timoshenko issue, we already call "proving with foam"?) lol
              But in fact, I don’t see that they released her, when they release her, then we'll talk)
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 23 September 2013 10: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Corneli
                But in fact, I don’t see that they released her, when they release her, then we'll talk)
                Have you looked at the calendar for a long time? This morning, sort of like
                September 23, Monday
                . And October 15, sort of like, also not tomorrow wink
                And here is this phrase:
                AND? She has been sitting for more than 2 years. and I’m not going to let out yet, in spite of all the threats and persuasions. it's a fact, but what you write ...just your guess)
                not yours?

                I understand, I myself do not want her to come out, as always, "in all white". BUT (IMHO) with her landing - sheer stupidity. More precisely, not with the landing itself, but with the articles of the accusation. There is enough for a couple of life sentences, if you seriously dig, but for some reason THIS is not presented to her request
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 23 September 2013 10: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  I understand, I myself do not want her to come out, as always, "in all white". BUT (IMHO) with her landing - sheer stupidity. More precisely, not with the landing itself, but with the articles of the accusation. There is enough for a couple of life sentences, if you seriously dig, but for some reason, THIS is not presented to her.

                  The fact that its EU wants to be released does not mean that it will be released. So far, this is the case:
                  "Today, the Kievsky district court of Kharkov will continue to consider the second criminal case against Tymoshenko, in which the ex-prime minister is accused of financial fraud in the second half of the 1990s, when she headed the United Energy Systems of Ukraine" (UESU) corporation. The EESU case began in April last year, but the process is constantly postponed, since the defendant refuses to participate in the meetings due to poor health.
                  In the morning, protesters began to gather around the institution
                  In Kharkiv, a paddy wagon accompanied by the Berkut detachment arrived at the hospital where Yulia Tymoshenko is located.
                  http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/Pod-bolnicey-Timoshenko-uzhe-dezhuryat-mil
                  iciya-i-Berkut-462003-462003.html
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 23 September 2013 10: 58 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Corneli
                    The fact that its EU wants to be released does not mean that it will be released.
                    I will repeat once again: "We will wait a little". When (if) the supporters of European integration push through the priority of supranational bodies over state bodies, then everything will be decided. And with Tymoshenko, and in the economy request So far, persuade, and then just ordered
                  2. Egoza
                    Egoza 23 September 2013 12: 12 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Corneli
                    The trial of Tymoshenko in the case of the EECU began in April last year, but the process is constantly being postponed because the defendant refuses to participate in the meetings because of poor health.

                    Well, this time she refused! The trial was postponed again! The "jailers" already have about 20 of her written refusals + video footage of how she is offered to go, and she sits with her face turned away and mutters "everything is falsified." However, this time she did not write a written refusal. but she shouts in letters "free" that she wants to go to court, but the authorities won't let her !!!!
                    Drive by force - oh-oh-oh! It's a pleasure. Then there will be "torture and abuse" during the transfer, and rape (preferably). In general, Madame already has a roof going, tk. she says that she is guarded by 100 people, 10 are with her all the time, they search her belongings all the time, 16 cameras have been installed ... paranoia though!
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 23 September 2013 12: 21 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Egoza
                      In general, Madame already has a roof, because she says that she is guarded by 100 people, 10 all the time beside her, they search her things all the time, 16 video cameras installed ... but paranoia!
                      But, I can argue, if she suddenly comes out and lathers for president, it will immediately turn out that she has the health of an astronaut before the start laughing
                      1. Corneli
                        Corneli 24 September 2013 00: 08 New
                        0
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        But, I can argue, if she suddenly comes out and lathers for president, it will immediately turn out that she has the health of an astronaut before starting laughing

                        Well, this is something fancy). A man who cannot cure a hernia for a year and a half !!! You can already enter the Guinness Book of Records. That's just hard for me to believe that she will be released. In the 2015 elections, what for Yanukovych is a sufferer competitor in her face? The only condition for her release, I recently heard, and it sounded like this: "we can release it if she starts paying the fine awarded to her by the court ... at least in some amount." Kind of like a concession, like let at least cheto start paying and that's it. But in fact, no, if she starts, then the court's decision is correct and she is guilty and herself admits it ...) Accordingly, no presidency or people's deputy
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 11: 16 New
                +3
                Quote: Corneli
                Where is my "foam" in your quote?

                There is no foam, but there is crap wassat
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 24 September 2013 00: 01 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  There is no foam, but there was crap wassat

                  YUVT released? Have you promised to release it? Or what's the "mess"?
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 09: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        However, now the question about Tymoshenko has been raised again - "Sort it out before October 15"

        Elena, Tymoshenko in "prison" (so that I could live like this) is not democratic! Although Yanek cannot but understand that if he let her go, he will have a khan, Timokha will not forget this and will not forgive wassat
      4. wax
        wax 23 September 2013 11: 53 New
        +1
        I’m wondering, who is not gay in the EU, what does he need Timoshenko’s ... oh, a head (?) Is needed.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 23 September 2013 15: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Wax
          and who is not gay in the EU,

          A. Merkel! Dear friend, she sends and sends doctors from Charite. They say that they have already prepared a room for dear Yulia! laughing
      5. oaziss
        oaziss 23 September 2013 12: 32 New
        +1
        100% will not "figure it out", otherwise, in this case, Yanukovych himself will have to change to her place.
      6. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 23 September 2013 14: 33 New
        +6
        We don’t need this. Russia in the sense. We cannot associate with Ukraine now. For a thousand years, we’ll hear about how we took away the bright European dream from the unfortunate Svidomo people, that we are villains, bastards and invaders. After all, happiness was so close! And we will not only hear this. With one hand they will take all kinds of help from us, and with the other ... with the other they will quite noticeably harm us. Is it easy to get to real partisanism, or do you think the UPA is playing games in its camps?
        We will not force Ukraine to the union, on the contrary, complete freedom in the best traditions! For Ukraine, there is only one way to join, and it will have to go through to the end. Every Ukrainian should have a simple understanding of the world he lives in. We will have to go through all this European freedom through, completely, as it should. Here are the staggering from hunger, blue from the humiliation of Ukrainians, we will take back. Because otherwise we cannot wait for enlightenment in these heads.
        The signal for reunification will be a high pile on the border from the Ukrainian side. Who and what should lie there - you know well ...
        1. michajlo
          michajlo 23 September 2013 14: 54 New
          +2
          Good afternoon, Michael!

          I completely agree with you that my native Ukraine, it is not necessary to associate with Russia or the TS, "forcibly or under pressure from Onishchenko", while crying into the "perfumed handkerchief of the good aunt of Europe" or making Russia intrigues behind its back, hiding "Ukrainian fig "in your pocket, etc.

          The best thing will be when the reunion is organized and executed by ordinary Citizens themselves, the foundation and strength of any state.

          The desire to cheat, win more at the Kiev political elite of all terms is present. And this, instead of HONESTLY agreeing and simply fulfilling each of our obligations and BEING A RELIABLE PARTNER for your Slavic brothers, knowing that they will protect you and you yourself protect them !!! This will be friendship and cooperation.

          But so far, as you can see for yourself, all influential people in Kiev and Moscow have long considered only "love", forgetting that not everything can be expressed and replaced with money. Here, for some reason, I see the implementation of the "old under-carpet agreements" from the era of marked Judas ?!, and not "theatrical quarrels performed by the played duo Putin-Yanukovych." Do not blame me, but I cannot get rid of such a "heretical thought".

          Regarding the members of the UPA groups and other evil spirits, here you are right, they are purposefully “trained and taught to fight” by our “zagalni schirі friends iz Zakhodu”. They probably prepared several thousand (not hundreds). In the Caucasus, AGAINST the Russians and in Aganistan for the American, they have already fought and this is a shameful fact.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 September 2013 08: 16 New
    +4
    the cunning ones want to bring our nenka to their knees “with their smelly gas” (in the background it will be possible to hang the flags of the European Union and NATO, as Saakashvili did) ... “... but the European choice is unshakable - Viktor Fedorovich angrily frowns his eyebrows - , even if it is frostbitten, but we will reach Europe, faithful to the precepts of Mazepa, Bender and Yushchenko. ”
    So it will be .. laughing
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 23 September 2013 08: 29 New
      11
      Geyropa is not Russia, for beautiful words, it will not give gas and will not feed!
      The boom of the bourgeoisie was in Tbilisi at one time, so history could well repeat itself!
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 23 September 2013 12: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Crocodile
        Geyropa is not Russia, for beautiful words, it will not give gas and will not feed!


        but why did you decide that in Europe someone will give Ukraine freebies, loans at predatory interest, this is only possible to plunder right away.

        Quote: Crocodile
        The boom of the bourgeoisie was in Tbilisi at one time, so history could well repeat itself!


        "boom bourgeois" is a housing and communal services office, with hot water in many regions of Ukraine there is no hot water at all or according to the schedule (1-2 times a week), if the heating is thawed this winter, kirdyk, I read somewhere that many communications are worn out by 70-80 %.
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 23 September 2013 08: 18 New
    25
    brrr, how cold ... I'll hide the fat!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 08: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Aeneas
      I'll hide the fat!

      You still have fat laughing
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 23 September 2013 08: 30 New
        13
        minya has isho. But I fend off the greatest shmat from the godfather ... Golat with us. recourse
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 08: 36 New
          +6
          Quote: Aeneas
          . But I fend off the biggest shmath from godfather ..

          Yes, you do not need to fight back, but eat it quickly. Sooner or later, the godfather will take all one "his" laughing
          1. Aeneas
            Aeneas 23 September 2013 08: 46 New
            22
            Tyuuuu, why should I bite on a winter burner ?! I can’t see this genetically modified European-standardized pup ... Toka fat, or better, I’ll die of hunger No.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 23 September 2013 09: 00 New
              11
              Do not be discouraged, with humor ... God grant you survive this vile government.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 09: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Aeneas
              Toka fat, or better die of hunger

              You can rush to Russia, if everything is so troublesome with you laughing
        2. Naval
          Naval 23 September 2013 14: 00 New
          +1
          Ineybuv motor steam
          And the guy wants to get a Cossack!
          And kumu revenge fat, muzzle
          Go to the EU, buzz cowboy! good
      2. Quiet
        Quiet 23 September 2013 09: 03 New
        +9
        "You still have fat .... Then we are coming to you !!! "(future advertisement instead of washing powder) ... laughing
    2. Crocodile
      Crocodile 23 September 2013 08: 32 New
      +5
      So cold is not terrible for fat!
      But you can forget about cracklings slowly!
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 23 September 2013 08: 49 New
        11
        I’ll dunk dumplings, and fry. The current smell will be specific. repeat
        1. Crocodile
          Crocodile 23 September 2013 09: 00 New
          +5
          Dumplings need to be prepared in advance - at least to dry!
          And then with a cross in the furnace. Much cram!
          I love Ukrainians wink , this is just informational support! And do not forget to add straw to the manure! crying
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 24 September 2013 09: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Crocodile
            Dumplings need to be prepared in advance - at least to dry!
            And then with a cross in the furnace. Much cram!
            So they found out why summer and autumn on the so rainy stand out. This evil northern neighbor arranged, tried. Specially, so that dumplings do not have time to dry before winter laughing
    3. Quiet
      Quiet 23 September 2013 08: 58 New
      10
      brrr, how cold ... I'll hide the fat!

      And urgently drive the vodka !!!! Only with fat is the best air heater !!!! drinks good laughing
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 September 2013 11: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: Aeneas
      brrr, how cold ... I'll hide the fat!


      Quiet Ukrainian night, but the fat must be hidden .. belay
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 23 September 2013 08: 19 New
    +6
    You want to Europe - so let it warm you. Want to be independent - be independent in the first place in the economy. Ukraine reminds a young lady who wants to live separately from her parents, but at the same time emotionally demanding that mom and dad pay her bills for light and heat.

    Very accurate analogy good
    and only courageous girls from FEMEN bravely shake their boobs at the Russian Embassy in protest against Russian arbitrariness
    laughing
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 23 September 2013 09: 07 New
      +4
      and only the brave ( blue from the cold ) the girls from FEMEN are shaking bravely ( blue ) boobs at the Russian Embassy in protest against Russian arbitrariness laughing
      1. densh
        densh 23 September 2013 12: 30 New
        +2
        FEMEN, almost in full force, are moving to Europe. In the Batkivshchyna, they are spreading rot and are becoming infuriated with them (in the above privacy they sew the preparation of an assassination attempt on Putin). laughing
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 23 September 2013 14: 44 New
          +3
          Everything is much worse - they started, so far quietly, but ... ask about sources of financing! And among themselves, they also began to count the money ... it’s clear, it’s time to move, and away!
          Igarr, silicone does not cringe, it hardens. So don’t worry much. Well, they will protest tinkling, why?
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 23 September 2013 14: 54 New
            +2
            Damn ... I thought they were natural.
            Left behind .. then life. Behind boobs.
            .
            Yeah, no .. phenomena .. they.
            Bells!
            1. densh
              densh 23 September 2013 15: 07 New
              +1
              So far, crest ne pomatse-ne povire. wink
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 24 September 2013 09: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail3
            And among themselves, they also began to count the money ... it’s clear, the time has come to move, and away!
            In Russia and Belarus they are spread rot, and no one needs them anymore. Well, think for yourself, WHAT can shock a fagot? request lol
            And they are afraid to go to the countries of radical Islam, they may not understand the creative request
      2. Igarr
        Igarr 23 September 2013 12: 42 New
        +3
        And do not even shake.
        Blue from the cold boobs - cringe.
        There will be nothing to shake.
        Snot if only frozen.
        .
        I'm sorry for the girls.
      3. cyberspace
        cyberspace 23 September 2013 13: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Quiet
        and only courageous (blue from the cold) girls from FEMEN bravely shake (blue) boobs at the Russian Embassy in protest against Russian arbitrariness

        do not shake, but ring.
  • Coward
    Coward 23 September 2013 08: 20 New
    19
    An article with humor, but as they say "it would be funny if it weren't so sad."
  • Crocodile
    Crocodile 23 September 2013 08: 25 New
    18
    Sarcasm shines from all sides laughing
    Here are just a generation will have to rake the rubble!
    Ukraine is spoiled by Russia by the fact that its laws were not forced to comply to the last letter, Nenko could cry and get a reprieve or forgiveness of debt for a beautiful look in the direction of Moscow and for regular promises.
    Unfortunately, Western liberals will teach to observe the most "democratic" laws with a sweet smile and words on duty - this is only business ...
    It is not a fact that, given our current state of Russia, in 10 years we will be able to somehow influence the state of Ukraine.
    One thing is clear, no one from Russia will pull out Ukraine after liberalization with a gayrope, even for repeating the words "Forever with Russia!"
    A couple of fraternal people realize the word - forever!
    Well, it's time for Russia to remember the proverb - "You can't be lovely," as they say, let go of its former neighbors in peace!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 08: 30 New
      10
      Quote: Crocodile
      Not the fact that in our current state of Russia, in 10 years we will be able to somehow influence the state of Ukraine

      As soon as we sign an agreement with the EU, we’ll immediately influence it. The market for three countries of the CU at once will be stupidly closed for Ukraine.
      What about your "current state of Russia", and what is wrong with it?
      1. Crocodile
        Crocodile 23 September 2013 08: 46 New
        +2
        It would have been "everything is as it should" Ukraine did not look towards the West ... Or do you really believe that they "are ready to freeze their ears to annoy grandma"?
        We have enough of our problems too!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 09: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: Crocodile
          It would have been "everything is as it should" Ukraine did not look towards the West.

          Oh no, there the country is divided into east and west, so request Or do you think that if we lower their gas price, they will refuse the EU.
          1. Crocodile
            Crocodile 23 September 2013 10: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh no, there the country is divided into east and west

            That's for sure ... 50/50 ...
            We can’t even buy the West with cheap gas; there are cockroaches on the genetic level there!
            It's a shame to lose Crimea and Donbass, and relatives there, now you have to do visas ...
      2. alexng
        alexng 23 September 2013 09: 09 New
        +9
        Ukraine seems to have already plunged into a liquid consistency and it is not worth taking it back in the future until it is washed off. The time when "Russia owes everything" has passed irrevocably. Do you want a discount? Deserve it. The idle talk on the part of the takers was already tired and so boring that it became not tasty at all, and in addition causes belching. Although there is one plus in this epic - the West will finally collapse after the signing of an agreement on the "Europeanization" of the independent ... Any steps by the West on the lands of the post-Soviet space are nothing but a potent poison for a weak Western organism. But you were warned not to eat - you will poison yourself. They do not believe, so there is a road for them. Don’t stick your nose where you don’t ask.
        1. FC SKIF
          23 September 2013 21: 39 New
          +1
          You are about the same as me, only the view from the side. Let's cooperate, chtoli.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 September 2013 13: 02 New
      11
      Quote: Crocodile
      It is not a fact that, given our current state of Russia, in 10 years we will be able to somehow influence the state of Ukraine.
      One thing is clear, no one from Russia will pull out Ukraine after liberalization with a gayrope, even for repeating the words "Forever with Russia!"


      Also F.M. Dostoevsky in his "Diaries of a Writer" in 1877. very correctly described the current situation
      . Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush into Europe with rapture, before they lose their identity, they will become infected with European forms, political and social, and in this way they will have to go through a whole and long period of Europeanism before comprehending anything its Slavic significance and its special Slavic calling in the midst of mankind. Between themselves, these zemstvos will always quarrel, forever envy each other and intrigue against each other. Of course in the moment of any serious disaster, they all will certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how they hate, gossip and slander Europe, flirting with her and assuring her of love, they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, and not before) that Europe was a natural enemy of their unity, they will always remain, and what if they exist in the world, then, of course, because there is a huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, thereby restrains their integrity and unity.... "

      You can’t say better in my opinion.
      What is the difference between Svidomo Ukrainians and Russians (Little Russians, Ukrainians incl.).
      To become a "Svidomo Ukrainian" you need to relatively speaking take a test for clinical Russophobia, pass the exam on the Ukrainian mov and shout three times “glory of the nation”.
      It is Russophobia that makes a person any nationality “Svidomo Ukrainians”, not anthropological data or DNA chromosomes. For example, the Mohyla Academy founded the Kiev-Mohyla Academy, the first Ukrainian “constitution” was written by Czech Orlik, the Polish Conservatism theoretician was Pole Lipinsky, and the author of the slogan “Get all Moscow!” generally Russian Fitilyov-Khvylovy!
      To be russian again, it doesn’t matter what nationality or skin color you are also CHOICE. This title does not get on the fact of blood and birth. The choice to serve your state and its multinational people in the military, scientific, literary or any other field. And the most important difference from the Ukrainians is that you can’t become Russian only out of hatred to the Chinese, Americans, Germans or Poles. You can become Russian once and for all, unlike Svidomo who is today a Bandera man, tomorrow a gay man-general, and the day after tomorrow some other uk-ary ... The main thing is to conduct another rebranding depending on the political tasks of his puppeteers.
      Therefore, they hate Russia and the Russians, because if a person consciously made the RUSSIAN CHOICE, he will NEVER back down from him, unlike modern neocons. And the more SUCH RUSSIANS there will be in Russia, the stronger and more powerful our country will be, which is now entangled in a liberal mess of profit and consumption and not the idea of ​​serving the Fatherland. The Morocco is falling and is already falling and the Great Russian People will be together again. Whatever tricks are sent to Ivan -fool foreign Kashchei he still get a sword-treasure and then hang on to filthy evil ..
      1. VasDA
        VasDA 23 September 2013 14: 47 New
        +5
        Thank you for your quote F.M. Dostoevsky ... hi
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 23 September 2013 08: 30 New
    12
    "Do not go to the fortuneteller, Russia will remain deaf to the sobs of its neighbor ..."-in such matters as basking: Moscow does not believe in tears.no one drags force into a geyropu!
    1. Hey
      Hey 23 September 2013 09: 41 New
      +4
      Nevertheless, the credit fell off sickly.
      1. alexng
        alexng 23 September 2013 16: 09 New
        +2
        Credit is an addiction.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 23 September 2013 08: 35 New
    +3
    and only courageous girls from FEMEN bravely shake their boobs at the Russian Embassy in protest against Russian arbitrariness

    I think the "courageous" will "break through" and shake them onto the territory of Russia, if they will again be PAYED for their services to improve "MORALITY" in Russia, the "caring" geurope and "conscience" of the entire planet!
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 23 September 2013 08: 50 New
      +3
      Seems these "brave" poured into France
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 23 September 2013 09: 14 New
      +3
      if they will PAY for their services again ... - These fools and burqa will get drunk without hesitation .... fool laughing
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 23 September 2013 09: 23 New
        +2
        only burqa with cuts for s-and-s-e-k lol
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 23 September 2013 09: 33 New
          +3
          only burqa with cuts for s-and-s-e-k

          To please all sponsors ??? laughing
    3. abdrah
      abdrah 24 September 2013 01: 07 New
      +3
      These whores from femen broke through to Belarus in Minsk, they wanted to show the shame in all its glory, but it did not work, they were caught by the terrible KGB, cut and painted with brilliant green infusion and taken to the forest near the Ukrainian border in the Gomel region. phones, passports and money they also "lost". When these "beauties" got home they vowed not to come to us again.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 24 September 2013 06: 55 New
        +1
        The KGB applied a wonderful "action" to the "ladies" in response to their "action"! Such methods of "prevention" should be applied to all perverts trying to "infect" NORMAL people!
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 23 September 2013 08: 37 New
    18
    Khakhlam - detractors of Russia

    Shame on detractors of Russia,
    Shame on corrupt screamers
    What trouble has been brought in for hundreds of years,
    And finely mischief to us!

    Shame on the scum that defame
    All life Kremlin policy!
    You are reluctant to work,
    Mother Earth is moaning beneath you!

    When Ivan the Terrible
    I took Kazan with my iron hand
    You’ve bitchily fled to Sich,
    And they didn’t even pay tribute!

    Attaching "oseledtsi" to the head,
    Having a pig in a stable
    They called themselves "Europeans"
    And they wanted to go to Moscow !!!

    When the Great Stalin was building
    Hand iron gulag,
    You came out like a wolf howl
    And did not want to climb into the hut.

    You Belomor was not to your liking,
    I was oppressed by logging,
    And Stalin fed you - a horde -
    And I didn’t forget to send the saws!

    The country worked, fought,
    Fascist putting on the ass,
    And you, fading from the felling,
    We ran to Vlasov in the UPA!

    When Great Putin Builds
    Hand Iron Vertical,
    You tease the word "android"
    And you press the gas main.

    Stealing orange paint
    From the Yenisei chemical plant,
    You smear it with caution
    All those who are cleaner and stronger!

    Catching Washington Handouts
    Hand trembling like jelly
    All of Russia from San and to the Don,
    You are howling to Brussels!

    I curse you dogs
    I invoke pestilence and thunder!
    Let bite your shit
    Lukoil, Norilsk Nickel and Gazprom!

    And you still crawl into the Kremlin
    Behind the crust, bread to borsch.
    And Putin will come out in gilding
    And quietly he will say: "I will not forgive!"
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 23 September 2013 09: 21 New
      +3
      Thinking, just as quietly, add, I will SEAT.
      And it will be right if he imprisons his thieves, and a pack from Nenko,
      What would it be common ....
      Ruin Russia and stir up the people.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 23 September 2013 15: 03 New
      +1
      "I heard that Aeneas, not like everyone else, but with a lump of neck. That the hair is curled in rings and the tip of the nose is bifurcated ... And that means a sign of passion!" smile
    3. FC SKIF
      23 September 2013 22: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Aeneas
      And you still crawl into the Kremlin
      Behind the crust, bread to borsch.
      And Putin will come out in gilding
      And quietly he will say: "I will not forgive!"

      Sorry. We, the great civilization, to be such forever forgive every little thing.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 23 September 2013 08: 46 New
    +9
    And yet the article is a plus for the general meaning. Strongly simplified and rather aggressive, but it has a right to exist ... Like the last Chinese. If you want "independence" from Moscow (although what kind of dependence can we talk about?), Pay like an adult, although the "elite" will not freeze. Indeed, why gas in Miami and California? Another alarming thing is the passivity of the people. Or are they also for the EU ??? And why is there no referendum? Everything would fall into place.
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 23 September 2013 08: 53 New
      +7
      Meetings are being held in Ukraine, there have been attempts to hold a referendum, but they don’t write much about it!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 09: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Crocodile
        , just write about it is not much!

        So all the propaganda to the EU comes from where the infa comes from. All media are in the hands of those who want to join the EU.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 23 September 2013 09: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          So all the propaganda to the EU comes from where the infa comes from. All media are in the hands of those who want to join the EU.


          In all the former republics, one former communist-Komsomol nomenclature is in power, which expels the people of the former USSR. am
      2. FC SKIF
        23 September 2013 22: 11 New
        0
        It's not cold yet
    2. FC SKIF
      23 September 2013 22: 11 New
      0
      No one. how the heat will appear, then another thing.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 23 September 2013 08: 50 New
    +6
    Aeneas UA
    Khakhlam - detractors of Russia

    Of course, the fact that Ukraine, as they say, is breaking away "with MEAT" from Russia, is very painful, nevertheless, we are one people, millions of people have family ties between Russia and Ukraine, and this is not the choice of the people, but a betrayal of it, which instead of the promised rapprochement with Russia, turned to her and his people BACK. But still, I wish this country prosperity, upon the return of the "PROPOSED son (daughter)" HOME, to the UNION with RUSSIA!
    1. FC SKIF
      23 September 2013 22: 12 New
      +1
      Otherwise, no options.
  • mak210
    mak210 23 September 2013 08: 54 New
    +2
    What do you rejoice as small children when their friend fell into a puddle. Are you better? DAMS with Pu will introduce the energy consumption rate, otherwise you will sing it. Already, pensioners are warming lunches on a heating battery and the lamps are turned out of the chandeliers. And the rent, it seems, will continue to be raised, they made a little noise and everything went on.

    And just like that, the oligarchs wanted to spit on the people, just as they exported surplus value over the hill, they exported it, and TAM enterprises are built with this money, and ours slowly but surely bend like mammoths. And what? They have both children and wives already there, it remains only to move themselves, the alternate aerodrome is already fully equipped. Here, for example, where did Skolkov’s money go http://vspro.info/article/fond-mikhaila-fridmana-investiruet-14-mlrd-v-prachechn


    You can just do anything with us.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 09: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: mak210
      Already, pensioners are warming up lunches on a heating battery

      Where is this happening? Or that the heating has already been turned on.
    2. washi
      washi 23 September 2013 12: 06 New
      +1
      [quote = mak210] That you rejoice as small children when their friend fell into a puddle. Are you better? DAMS with Pu will introduce the energy consumption rate, otherwise you will sing it. Already, pensioners are warming lunches on a heating battery and the lamps are turned out of the chandeliers. And the rent, it seems, will continue to be raised, they made a little noise and everything went on.
      Isn’t it better to move to the offices of energy-generating and supplying campaigns or to go home to the governor? It is clear: one will not be allowed, but there are families, friends, comrades. With us, for some reason, such standards are not introduced.
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  • 128mgb
    128mgb 23 September 2013 09: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: Aeneas
    brrr, how cold ... I'll hide the fat!

    Gathering, you can find your lyakh by smell, as you come to integrate. smile
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 23 September 2013 09: 17 New
      +7
      Poles suck on salt, they smoked it. so sho nashe salce is not kosher for them.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 23 September 2013 09: 07 New
    +6
    An "ice age" of local significance in Ukraine is not excluded. And there is nothing to be happy about! This will certainly mean a certain weakening of the geopolitical positions of Russia ... this is the result of our failures in foreign policy. Let's write this as the first lesson for us of this "ice age" ...
    It is clear how "it is God's day" - in Ukraine the political approach to solving their problems won, and not the economic expediency and benefit of the financial state. But it is not clear yet how economic issues will be resolved behind the "political" storm. The other day Azarov noted in his interview that at one time the state of affairs in Poland was no better ... that in Ukraine the quality of goods would be sharply improved in order to make them competitive in the Western market ... In response, one can say that "blessed who believe "! Yes, Poland received very, very large investments in the early 90s ... now this will not be unambiguous. THE AGITATIVE-PROMOTIONAL PERIOD OF THE EU IS LONG PASSED! No one in Europe will create a competitor for their products for their money. On the contrary! Any attempts to create a competitive domestic production in Ukraine will be suppressed in order to ensure the smooth promotion of their goods and eliminate the overstocking of their enterprises at the expense of Ukraine.
    And in order to dramatically and overnight improve the quality of goods, it is necessary to completely change the means of production ... the machine tool park ..., improve the qualifications of their service personnel, make a revolution in science, in R&D ... Russia, which has completely different financial capabilities, large by several orders of magnitude, is not able to do it in one piece, and I will simply keep silent about these opportunities of Ukraine ... I would be glad if in the end it turns out that I was mistaken in my reasoning, but so far the "good intentions" of the prime minister of Ukraine will most likely pave the road at...
    Unfortunately ... not to paradise!
  • Russ69
    Russ69 23 September 2013 09: 12 New
    +8
    I’m wondering how it turns out? Ukraine goes to the EU, and in order to enter there and pay interest on the IMF, it takes a soft loan in Russia worth 750 million.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 23 September 2013 09: 28 New
      +1
      Duc is clear-red. The Benderites of Gasdep have infiltrated the banking system of Russia. From tiper and give denyushku "to the ball" Ukraine.
    2. washi
      washi 23 September 2013 12: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      I’m wondering how it turns out? Ukraine goes to the EU, and in order to enter there and pay interest on the IMF, it takes a soft loan in Russia worth 750 million.

      Questions: why do they actually give a loan, and what will the Outskirts pay for in 2 years (land, enterprises, residents for rent), given that a lot of finances need to be tampered with to switch to European standards?
  • nod739
    nod739 23 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +9
    and in any case, Moscow will be to blame.
    can holy Brussels be guilty? they are for peace in the whole world, people are loved there by everyone, even LGBT people, well, the fact that the headquarters are there is also the same for world peace
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 23 September 2013 09: 28 New
      +5
      so there was already an article about the "civilizational" choice of Ukraine, where the author (Ukrainian) wrote in plain text, they say, at first everything will be bad, because of the unfriendly policy of Moscow, but then ...
      those. nothing has happened yet, and Moscow is already to blame
  • Kars
    Kars 23 September 2013 09: 26 New
    +3
    It’s boring. But for now the Europeans will not be the only question utrut. When Timoshenchik will not be let in. Moreover, in Slovakia (or somewhere else) they also put the prime minister (former).
    And so it’s better to sign with China.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 09: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Kars
      Boring

      Oh, Kars salute wink Listen, but there, in another article, I asked you a question about the independence, I answered already, I’m thinking about the answer. I’m worried, and suddenly you’ll lose the independence crying
      1. Kars
        Kars 23 September 2013 10: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hush, and there in another article I asked you a question about the independence, oh

        I don’t follow you. And since you are close to the administration, I would give them an idea about alerts as in some forums. There - you were mentioned, you were praised - very convenient.
        1. Kars
          Kars 23 September 2013 10: 40 New
          +2
          So, the residents of Ukraine after spending a week or two alone with Santa Claus, with

          By the way, yes, the filling of the Ukrainian gas storage facilities is going according to plan. So there will be such a prospect. At the same time, it will not be able to stop the gas supply for a long time - it will be continuous losses. Although the statement says that the Russian Federation is said to spite mom you can freeze your ears
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 23 September 2013 10: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            By the way, yes ---- filling Ukrainian gas storage facilities is going according to plan.

            "Ukraine has fully provided itself with gas for the heating season, pumping 12,2 billion cubic meters of natural gas into storage facilities, including 5,8 billion cubic meters of its own production.
            This was stated by Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Eduard Stavitsky during an hour of questions to the government in the Verkhovna Rada.
            “I want to inform you that as of September 1, 2013, 12,2 billion cubic meters of gas were injected into the underground gas storage facilities, of which approximately 5,8 billion were produced domestically. That is, by the heating season they are fully provided, ”the minister said.
            As reported earlier, Ukraine announced plans to pump 14 billion cubic meters of gas into underground storage facilities. According to Stavitsky, "this is the necessary resource that will allow you to calmly pass the heating season and ensure transit." At the same time, the Russian Gazprom demanded to increase this volume to 19 billion cubic meters to ensure uninterrupted transit to the EU. "
            It seems that the other day Boyko was shouting that he had agreed on additional downloads for transit (he returned from Moscow a couple of days ago) ... I can’t find this article (
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 11: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            . although the statement says - that the Russian Federation, as they say, to spite mom can freeze her ears

            Oh yes, this Russia was simply stunned, and even wants to spoil Ukraine at the expense of itself angry
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 11: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          since you are close to the administration-

          FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE SITE THE IDEA FROM THE USER OF KARS ,,,,
          Quote: Kars
          about alerts like on some forums. There - you were mentioned, you were praised - very convenient.
          You don’t have to be close to the asshole of the emperor. Just write everything to the administrator, what are the difficulties ????
          So with that it’s clear, Kars, what about the independence? My heart bleeds, and you with your ideas. There is a threat looming over Ukraine belay
          1. Kars
            Kars 23 September 2013 11: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You may not be close to the asshole of the emperor

            The moderator said with a thieves rating 1)))))
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            ? My heart bleeds

            What happened? In Japan, cars have risen in price?

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Here threat looms over Ukraine

            Well, with this to Putin.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , this Russia was simply stunned, and even wants to spoil Ukraine at the expense of itself

            Well, Glazyev’s speeches at the Yalta summit smiled at me. You are so rich that you want to give us 10 billions of bucks a year)) but for what? For the good soul? And what used to hinder Belarus? think about Ukraine, golden people.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 12: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: Kars
              The moderator said with a thieves rating 1)))))

              Well, yes, like the Kremlin laughing
              Quote: Kars
              What happened? In Japan, cars have risen in price?

              Yes, no, just gas fields will be guarded by American PMCs wink Cool yes good
              Quote: Kars
              Well, with this to Putin.

              Shaw Putin again to save you from the desire to plunge into Europe belay But what about the proximity to the financial center and all the geo-European happiness wink Gomiks have already begun to count, although we will know for sure how many of them are in Ukraine laughing
              Quote: Kars
              ? Belarus won’t have enough money for fighter jets, and you’re all thinking about Ukraine, golden people.

              Duc to Belarus will be our base with fighters, so no problem.
              Quote: Kars
              Well, yes, Glazyev’s speeches at the Yalta Summit smiled at me

              And yet, yes, why the heck to you ten billion bucks a year, when the EU loan promised a whole billion to the economy. Benefit and insanity are in Ukraine, somewhere nearby, always together wassat
              1. Kars
                Kars 23 September 2013 12: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, yes, like the Kremlin

                Not like the Kremlin as you do not pull. Local paid.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                will be guarded by american PMCs cool yes

                I don’t know if they will pick up the locals or the Yankees from America? If the Yankees --- you can always after the Internet in Syria or so go go beat)))
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Shaw Putin again to save you from the desire to plunge into Europe

                No, Putin would not have been very tense with neo-imperialism.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Gomiks have already begun to recount, at leastм know exactly how many there are in Ukraine

                and what is it you are interested in such a question?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Duc to Belarus will be our base with fighters, so no problem.

                Well, it is clear - who are interested in the problems of Belarus)))
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And yet, yes, why the heck to you ten billion bucks a year, when the EU loan promised a whole billion to the economy. Benefit and insanity are in Ukraine, somewhere nearby, always together

                Strange question was not like that. Repeat?

                Quote: Kars
                e 10 to give us billions of bucks a year to give)) but for what? in kindness? and what used to hinder?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 12: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  Not like the Kremlin as you do not pull. Local paid.

                  Alright alright delusions of grandeur laughing
                  Quote: Kars
                  If the Yankees --- you can always after an Internet postal service in Syria or so go go beat your face))

                  Yeah, that is, it will be possible to fill in the amer with a gun and face ??? Put on Kars, a bronik and a helmet, well, for every fireman wassat
                  Quote: Kars
                  but not that Putin with neo-imperialism is not much strained.

                  Yes, it seems, and does not bother, although yes Clinton said something about this. Yes, yes, it was, it was wink
                  Quote: Kars
                  and what is it you are interested in such a question?

                  Yes, this question interests everyone, Schaub we did not guess how Ukraine is ready to be a real European power laughing
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, it is clear - who are interested in the problems of Belarus)))

                  And what are we really not helping Belarus?
                  Quote: Kars
                  Strange question was not like that. Repeat?

                  Yes, I read it, but you didn’t understand, these are the benefits of Ukraine from the TS. Such are the conditions for entry no more hi And by the way, we fed you and sponsored you, so it doesn’t roll. It was originally proposed.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 23 September 2013 13: 01 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Alright alright delusions of grandeur

                    Awareness of the problem, the first step to healing.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yeah, that is, it will be possible to fill in the amer with a gun and face ??? Put on Kars, a bronik and a helmet, well, for every fireman

                    Why do I need it? We still have no American PMCs. But for you - you are Siberians. In vests and so on. Yes, and that they will walk along the streets with machine guns, and not at the guarded facility?
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, it seems and does not bother

                    Well, tell me, do not tell me. I’m already seeing Vladimir 1 all, all.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, this question interests everyone, Schaub we did not guess how Ukraine is ready to be a real European power

                    Everyone? And after that, some more talk about TS? Everyone is interested in homosexuals. And about the European choice, then it depends on sexual orientation.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And what are we really not helping Belarus?

                    help me so that she doesn’t have money for new fighters? help me well. And I thought that membership in the TS is automatic gold mountains))) gas is written)))
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    , just didn’t understand you see, these are the benefits of Ukraine from the TS. Such are the conditions for entry no more

                    you see Glazyev did not read, did not listen))) and the benefits - and what are the losses?
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And by the way, we fed you and sponsored
                    when is it? Maybe we did a good deed by allowing transit at the lowest prices? when did you have any money for bypass pipelines?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 15: 09 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Kars

                      Awareness of the problem, the first step to healing.

                      By the way, you acknowledge that there are problems in Ukraine, a good sign wink
                      Quote: Kars
                      Why do I need it? We still have no American PMCs.

                      Well, it’s for now, but do foreign citizens with guns in their hands not bother you at all?
                      Quote: Kars
                      Well, tell me, do not tell me. I’m already seeing Vladimir 1 all, all.

                      Everyone sees exactly what he wants to see. hi
                      Quote: Kars
                      Everyone? And after that, some more talk about the TS?
                      Of course, and preferably by name, I think most of these names in Ukraine will be from the authorities wassat
                      In Georgia there are 400 people and all the bosses laughing
                      Quote: Kars
                      so help that she has no money for new fighters? well help.

                      Yes, we help, we supply air defense. What about gas for 50 bucks, and not for 10 bucks? Golden Mountains in the EU promise you a "bright" future laughing
                      Quote: Kars
                      You didn’t read Glazyev, didn’t listen)

                      I read, but Azarov apparently not
                      Quote: Kars
                      when is that?

                      And you yourself dig on the Internet, if you really are interested in the question, if there was such a thing, you will learn a lot. And if you wrote it like that, well, to state it, then you really don't need it.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 23 September 2013 15: 18 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        By the way, you acknowledge that there are problems in Ukraine, a good sign

                        Problems are everywhere, but if honestly in this context, your megalomania is only your problem.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, it’s for now, but do foreign citizens with guns in their hands not bother you at all?

                        Well, the base of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, which has been present for a year, is already somehow accustomed to. Licking everything would be within the framework of laws and agreements.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Everyone sees exactly what he wants to see.
                        That's just how I see what I would not want to see.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        In Georgia there are 400 people and all the bosses

                        Is it true that in Georgia there is only 400? Is there somewhere statistics? Or fagots you call everyone who does not fit your comb?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, we help, we supply air defense.

                        I see how you help, that Belarusians don’t have enough money for their own aircraft. Is it so conceived?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        The Golden Mountains promise you a "bright" future in the EU

                        The funny thing is that they just do not promise the golden mountains.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I read, but Azarov apparently not
                        Not like that.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And you yourself dig on the Internet

                        I want your version of what Ukraine owes you.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        , that means the truth you do not need
                        Have you bought the exclusive right to the truth?
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 23 September 2013 10: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        suddenly lose your independence

        This is unlikely. laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 11: 12 New
          0
          Quote: cosmos111
          This is unlikely

          And so, why?
          1. experienced
            experienced 23 September 2013 12: 34 New
            0
            The moderator kindles srach ... On which site you can still see similar ... winked
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 September 2013 12: 39 New
              0
              Quote: seasoned
              The moderator kindles srach ..

              In fact ! For you personally, that would not make myself poor and fluffy, to whom warnings are set unreasonably.
              All the best hi
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 23 September 2013 09: 28 New
    +7
    Politics is politics and there is only one people, people will become worse off, people will be the first to run into politicians, if only someone in the government put in a soggy brain, so that you wouldn’t rock at all with elections and all kinds of signatures, look and normalize, I would like to believe of course
  • bif
    bif 23 September 2013 09: 31 New
    13
    EU and "Ukrainian suitcase without a handle"
    I think that the process of Ukraine’s association in the EU is more dramatic than it seems at first glance!
    Someone from the wise said that if you do not understand the actions of politicians, this does not mean that they are stupid, most likely you don’t know something.
    In this context, Russia's sluggish position in Ukraine over the past few years can be explained by the fact that, apparently somewhere around 2005, if not earlier, a balanced decision was made that integration with Ukraine was not practical.
    Those. we realized that "Bolivar will not stand 3" and decided to confine ourselves to Kazakhstan and Belarus. And Ukraine was assigned to the educational and demonstrative role of "Suitcase without a Handle", but with an unexpected outcome. It is absolutely obvious that it was impossible to declare this decision under any circumstances!
    That is why, from a third perspective, the policy of Russia to form pro-Russian parties and movements was sluggish and very inconsistent. This can be explained by the fact that active support also implies certain obligations, which, as we understand it, to undertake, in line with these decisions, would be vile in relation to the activists of these parties.
    So, Ukraine fit into our integration processes like "a suitcase without a handle". And like every suitcase, it has its own original story! If we go back into the depths of independence, we will see that over the past 20 years, the West, realizing that rapprochement between Russia and Ukraine is very possible, has sought to "fill this suitcase with bricks", both in politics and in the economy, creating additional problems for us, convinced that the Russians will not be able to leave him - "sorry".
    Those. In simple terms, Ukraine was actively destroyed, so that the integration and restoration of this country, in the era of the global crisis, took away from Russia a maximum of resources .., and there, as they say, a straw can break a bear's back. One of the examples here, even if the "Nord Stream", with all the other European bonuses, they clearly understood that its construction puts Ukraine in cancer to Russia, and destroys the remnants of its economy, with all the social, political and infrastructural consequences, but the "euro -the pops have whipped ...!
    Now it’s clear, the game was a giveaway, but the rules at the end of the game changed, like: "who won, he lost." To the genuine surprise of the EU.)))
    Here, we must pay tribute to Putin's team, again, like in judo, they translated our weakness into our strength, i.e. "they tore off, from this" suitcase ", in general, all the convex parts, they reported more bricks and handed this shapeless, torn trunk to Europe, and all this on the eve of a fundamental crisis, against the backdrop of austerity, etc., etc. ...
    In practice, our global competitor, they have hung another core on their feet before the fateful dash to the coveted "golden billion".
    And further, we get an absolutely logical position of the European Union! Realizing what had been slipped to him, he tried to scare them with the wild terms of the Association Agreement, in the hope that they themselves would return to the ass ... We all remember how many "mines and rakes" there were crammed for the Ukrainian economy. And really, it was a European cry of despair, so they didn’t want this “Ukrainian suitcase”, because they already have a collection of such luggage, only there it is not “…. ...part 1
    1. bif
      bif 23 September 2013 09: 33 New
      +8
      part2
      And here the Europeans were beautifully shoved into the yoke of their propaganda, tk. The 10th anniversary of the tales of European "milk rivers" and "greasy banks" cannot nullify some squiggles in the 900-page text of the Terms of Association with the European Union, and even those written in foreign letters.
      Europe's mistake is that "reasonable Euro-priests" hoped for "reasonable people", but they are no longer there, they themselves reformatted them over the 20 years of the show ..
      Well, and all subsequent Euro-squeals, ... about accelerating the association procedure, ... about joint exercises with NATO, all this is a "blackmail bluff", the purpose of which is that Russia, out of fear, would take this "suitcase" back.
      Our position is quite logical, and apparently based on an analysis of attempts
      21.09.13
      technological integration with Ukraine. We clearly understood that every year of "independence" pushes back the successful integration of our countries, further and further. Somewhere already, that from 2005-6. (the first gas war) it became absolutely clear that such integration is flawed and dangerous for Russia. The old Soviet competences and resources inherited from the USSR, Ukraine has eaten and pissed away, but it did not have new competencies, the elite is comprador, the social risks are enormous. Its restoration to an acceptable level will be impermissible and irrationally expensive and even deadly for the Russian economy, and even more so on the eve of global turmoil.
      In this situation, the decision to transfer the "Ukrainian suitcase" to Europe gives a double win, because we managed not only to get rid of the "native grenade in the ass", but we also managed to stick it to the nearest competitor, thereby weakening it. At the same time, all the risks for the "rivers of milk and greasy banks", we beautifully transferred to the Storyteller himself, who now, oh, how not to fairy tales. Yes, and he, like a boy, will be reminded "... that no one pulled his tongue", and further drama is possible.
      Well, for us, everything further developed very logically. When we realized 100% that the "suitcase" would never be returned to us, under any circumstances, "our well-reasoned," golden preferences from the TS "poured in. Note, it cost us almost nothing, all the gold is virtual, but ...! Thus, we laid the foundations of our Ukrainian position for the coming decades. These "Glazyev's golden gingerbread" will reformat o-brains in 4-5 years, when the bright "profaned chance" will be massively obvious and will become an argument in future internal Ukrainian integration battles, and in the ancient Russian performance - "Who is to blame and what to do with him?", but on completely different conditions !!!
      In contrast to the Euro-priests, we have been known for a long time and can only sympathize with the Eureka, because we know that a has no greater enemy than the one who stole his fat! And in this scenario already, they will not be extreme ... Note - we will get all these bonuses for free and almost automatically!
      1. bif
        bif 23 September 2013 09: 34 New
        11
        total.
        So, let's summarize what we have in the net surplus, according to the "Ukrainian suitcase" project, on the eve of global shocks, as a result of which, not everyone will remain in the "golden billion":
        1. We minimized our risks, both financial and political;
        2. Weakened European competitors;
        3. With a high degree of probability, they laid a powerful foundation for future integration with Ukraine, and these processes will develop independently and for us almost for free;
        4. The multi-million protest electorate has integrated into the European Union;
        4. Got a vivid educational effect for other "suitcases".
        Can all this be called the absence of a distinct position of Russia on the Ukrainian question?
        I note that Ukraine took all de-integration actions itself, in sober memory, in the consensus of elites and the electorate, while receiving from us an honest assessment of future consequences, etc., etc.
        At the trial of history, there is almost nothing to blame us for! A curtain.
        Original material by our author rahmetov specifically for Takie.Org
        1. maxvet
          maxvet 23 September 2013 09: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: bif
          Those. we realized that "Bolivar will not stand 3" and decided to limit ourselves to Kazakhstan and Belarus

          But what about Armenia? After all, the Armenians refused to associate with the EU in favor of the CU
          1. bif
            bif 23 September 2013 11: 39 New
            +2
            here is a slightly different story, in TS Arminia goes for the CSTO.
            “The joint statement of the Presidents of Armenia and Russia on Armenia’s readiness to join the Customs Union reminded of the similarity of situations in this regard between Armenia and Ukraine ... For Ukraine, a fairly real consequence in the most extreme case could be an almost complete collapse of the economy, which would take many years to recover. For Armenia - not only economic losses, but something more terrible - the elimination of the second, although not recognized, the Armenian state - Nagorno-Karabakh, that is, the transfer of several hundred thousand Armenians to the power of an alien state, taking into account current realities, an aggressive state and thirsty for revenge.

            Thus, Armenia had no other choice but to strengthen the alliance with Russia, which is now the only real ally of Armenia and the guarantor of peace in the region ... "

            Details: http://novostink.ru/politics/51852-armeniya-i-ukraina-mezhdu-es-i-ts-mihail-bele
            ckiy.html # ixzz2fhQLki89
            Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to NovostiNK.ru
        2. Corneli
          Corneli 23 September 2013 09: 51 New
          -7
          Quote: bif
          1. We minimized our risks, both financial and political;
          2. Weakened European competitors;
          3. With a high degree of probability, they laid a powerful foundation for future integration with Ukraine, and these processes will develop independently and for us almost for free;
          4. The multi-million protest electorate has integrated into the European Union;
          4. Got a vivid educational effect for other "suitcases".

          Here you probably need to get up and shout with furious applause: "Glory to the Great and the Wiseest Putin !!!"
          But in fact: what kind of current excuses some individuals are not ready to cheat, for geopolitical blunders. It all turned out to be Putin's ingenious plan!
          1. Fin
            Fin 23 September 2013 10: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: Corneli
            But in fact: what kind of current excuses some individuals are not ready to cheat, for geopolitical blunders. It all turned out to be Putin's ingenious plan!

            That is, is Putin still to blame? Not so offered help. It was somehow brazen and mocking, UA handouts are not needed, let donkeys go for carrots. We are independent. Glory to the great Yanyk! Geyropa will help!
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 23 September 2013 10: 47 New
              -3
              Quote: Fin
              That is, is Putin still to blame? Not so offered help. It was somehow brazen and mocking, UA handouts are not needed, let donkeys go for carrots. We are independent. Glory to the great Yanyk! Geyropa will help!

              Reread my post (and those three posts on which I wrote it) again! And stop the tantrum.
              1. Fin
                Fin 23 September 2013 12: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Corneli
                Reread my post (and those three posts on which I wrote it) again! And stop the tantrum.

                I read the messages about Yulia and gas, so what? Your position is most fully expressed in sarcasms "geopolitical blunder" and "brilliant plan", to which I answered.
                Read what "hysteria" is and learn how to use it correctly.
                If I misunderstood your work, I apologize for not recognizing a like-minded person.
          2. bif
            bif 23 September 2013 11: 30 New
            +4
            "... We can safely say that Ukraine's time is up. And several phases have ended at once. Ukraine can no longer be between two chairs, although it would very much like to. Ukraine can no longer borrow money. Any next loan will lead to a deterioration in the country's credit rating, but to a greater extent this is possible if Ukraine receives a loan from Russia. Europe understands that the Ukrainian authorities are collecting loans, and the European Union will have to pay for them. In a sense, this even looks like a competent layout. Maybe Europe was mistaken in that, who is a sucker in this case?

            It seems that Putin understands that by allowing Ukraine to associate with the EU, the game should not be considered lost. Again, think of Kyrgyzstan or Georgia. It is clearly seen here that even after “walking in the wild”, the republics are still returning, but with a more firm decision to stay with Russia. As one old plumber used to say, in order to understand how much shit is worse than chocolate, you don't have to eat chocolate, you just need to get into shit. Then everything becomes obvious .. "http://contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3342-vremya-ukrainy-vyshlo
          3. washi
            washi 23 September 2013 12: 33 New
            +4
            [quote = Corneli] [quote = bif]
            Here you probably need to get up and shout with furious applause: "Glory to the Great and the Wiseest Putin !!!"
            But in fact: what kind of current excuses some individuals are not ready to cheat, for geopolitical blunders. It all turned out to be Putin's ingenious plan! [/ Quote]
            We have enough of our own Natsiks of all nationalities, and now they are attached from the "raped Ukraine". Stalin and he fought with them for more than 10 years. Themselves. All by ourselves. decide, destroy Your nationalists, pack your oligarchs, decide on the language. As everything settles down - come and restore what you ruined.
        3. Rosomaha67
          Rosomaha67 23 September 2013 10: 25 New
          +1
          ...... but I liked it in general, it’s a very beautiful combination if especially it will be fully realized .....
        4. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 23 September 2013 10: 51 New
          0
          Quote: bif
          total.
          The fox, not reaching for the grapes, "speaks with annoyance":
          Well! He looks good,
          Yes green - no ripe berries:
          Immediately you’ll nag your mouth.
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 23 September 2013 11: 20 New
            -13
            A clear answer. In fact, Ukraine itself is still too tough for the putler and his team ...
  • Borz
    Borz 23 September 2013 09: 37 New
    +9
    Svidomye think that with accession to the EU will be like this:
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 23 September 2013 10: 07 New
      11
      Quote: Borz
      Svidomye think that with accession to the EU will be that

      Svidomo wrong. Most likely, tongue will be so.
  • Borz
    Borz 23 September 2013 09: 40 New
    11
    And it will only be like this:
  • major071
    major071 23 September 2013 10: 10 New
    11
    In this case, only a new strong leader of the country will help, such as Adolf Vissarionovich Pinochet.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 September 2013 10: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: Wedmak
    Do not be discouraged, with humor ... God grant you survive this vile government.

    Join! Hold on to the Slavs!
    1. densh
      densh 23 September 2013 12: 50 New
      +2
      I’m no longer sure that the new government will not be more vile than the previous one. recourse
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 September 2013 10: 32 New
    12
    There are heated discussions about the benefits of Ukraine joining the EU with the President and Prime Minister of Ukraine, leaders of political parties, and sympathizers. And only the people of the country are silent. The entire ruling elite has the opportunity to speak out in all the media. But the voices of the common people, the worker, the peasant, are not heard. But the Russian television channel saw an interview with a working diesel locomotive plant from the Donbass. He said: Russia will turn away from us. the factory will disappear. 80% of diesel locomotives are bought from Russia. Draw your own conclusions.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 23 September 2013 10: 40 New
      +3
      But the people have correctly noticed that Ukraine is modestly silent .. What are they hoping for ..?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 23 September 2013 12: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        correctly noticed the people of Ukraine is modestly silent ..
        He is not silent. That's just in a vacuum, the sound does not spread. request In the information - including. It seems that all the media are just categorically forbidden to even mention signs of discontent. I don’t know what sanctions are threatened ... request
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 23 September 2013 10: 42 New
      -2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      But the Russian television channel saw an interview with a working diesel locomotive plant from Donbass. He said: Russia will turn away from us. the plant will disappear. 80% of diesel locomotives are bought from Russia. Draw your own conclusions.

      Well, yes, under the guise of Donbass diesel locomotives, cheap "counterfeit" German ones will be sold to Russia ... But why should they "turn away" otherwise? The CU claims, legal, to the Ukraine / EU FTA, in the possibility of free-of-charge sale of European goods in transit through Ukraine. Accordingly, to stricter customs control over imported goods. What does the rise in gas prices have to do with it, or Ukrainian diesel locomotives, or cooperation between companies in joint ventures?
      P.S. What do you think would happen to the Malyshev Kharkov plant upon entry into the vehicle? In a word, the minuses are burning to find anywhere, would be a desire
      1. bif
        bif 23 September 2013 11: 26 New
        +6
        Well, yes, under the guise of Donbass diesel locomotives, cheap "counterfeit" German ones will be sold to Russia ... But why should they "turn away" otherwise?
        You can forget about engineering and heavy industry, if we talk about Ukraine, already in 4-5 years, because in the Russian Federation, their products are already perfectly made (the same diesel locomotives http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/40685/)... the rest is the same ... but there is no one else to buy Ukrainian products.
      2. washi
        washi 23 September 2013 11: 51 New
        +2
        In fact, these are already Russian diesel locomotives, as enterprises are owned by Russian owners.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 23 September 2013 10: 37 New
    +5
    Talking with conversations, but I’m more worried about this (I already put it, but it may have slipped past your attention)
    For the year, people bought almost 40 thousand trunks
    According to statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, more than 827 thousand firearms are at the disposal of citizens - 40 thousand more than last year, Focus writes.
    The data of specialized associations is even more impressive. According to estimates of the Ukrainian Association of Weapon Owners, in our country 2 million trunks in legal turnover and over 3,5 million in illegal traffic. Only during the last month of voluntary surrender of arms in May, civilians brought to the Ministry of Internal Affairs 6 thousand "guns". This is twice as much as in the same period last year.
    http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Ukraincy-nachali-massovo-skupat-oruzhie-461664.ht
    ml
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 23 September 2013 11: 06 New
      0
      if there is no organization, then these trunks will take part in the maximum disassembly
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 23 September 2013 12: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: maxvet
        if there is no organization, then these trunks will take part in the maximum disassembly

        You have forgotten about Svoboda. And the people remember and prepare! Where do we get to?
        They tried peacefully - rallies for the TS - everyone is silent and pretend that there was nothing. Hold a referendum - but nevermind. And so we get to the extreme boiling point!
        1. maxvet
          maxvet 23 September 2013 19: 09 New
          0
          I’m writing about the organization, you named one.
      2. washi
        washi 23 September 2013 12: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: maxvet
        if there is no organization, then these trunks will take part in the maximum disassembly

        All these "small-town" showdowns are pouring out into big blood (Peter 1917, Kiev 1918, Moscow 1918, Moscow 1993, Central Asia, Caucasus - 90s)
        1. rlanry
          rlanry 23 September 2013 13: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Vasya
          All these "small-town" showdowns are pouring out into big blood (Peter 1917, Kiev 1918, Moscow 1918, Moscow 1993, Central Asia, Caucasus - 90s)

          None of this will happen, there will be quiet Moldavization under increasingly nationalistic and hysterical slogans. Who will fight with whom? As the southeast lay quietly under the oranges, it will lie under the browns.
    2. washi
      washi 23 September 2013 12: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      Talking with conversations, but I’m more worried about this (I already put it, but it may have slipped past your attention)
      For the year, people bought almost 40 thousand trunks
      According to statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, more than 827 thousand units of firearms are at the disposal of citizens - 40 thousand more than last year. This is twice as much as in the same period last year.
      http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Ukraincy-nachali-massovo-skupat-oruzhie-461664.ht

      ml

      Are there statistics in which regions they buy? In order to make it more clear who is against whom?
    3. oaziss
      oaziss 23 September 2013 12: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      For the year, people bought almost 40 thousand trunks

      And this is just the beginning!
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 September 2013 10: 55 New
    +3
    Next year will be more interesting than this, we look forward to the demonstrative eating of a cactus.
  • Ajax69
    Ajax69 23 September 2013 11: 00 New
    0
    propane, and so that a gas leak is detected, butane is added to it (it just occurred to me, can this be a word to undo?)
    Both methane and propane and butane are odorless. An odorant (extremely smelly liquid) is added to gas in gas distribution stations (gas distribution stations).
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 23 September 2013 11: 58 New
      0
      Butane does not have a strong but rather unpleasant odor.
    2. dropout
      dropout 23 September 2013 12: 00 New
      0
      odorant (extremely smelly liquid)

      What a difference to an ordinary person, why such Stink countrywide.
  • aepocmam
    aepocmam 23 September 2013 11: 16 New
    +3
    It seems to be a solid site, and the name of the bandit Bandera is written with an "e" - Bender (?). Is it really difficult to remember that the name of the city in Moldova - Bendery - is written after the "e". And the surname of the Yandy bandit is written through the letter "a".
    1. FC SKIF
      24 September 2013 21: 07 New
      0
      Is he Suvorov or Zhukov what? Why should I remember how to spell f-li all sorts of freaks
  • RBLip
    RBLip 23 September 2013 11: 21 New
    +5
    article plus unambiguously. and the fact that Ukraine gets drunk on "European values" sooner or later will come asking under the wing of Russia, this is also understandable. the only question is, will Russia really need it? because (from the article) ...What will Moscow get in Ukraine in 5-10 years? Deeply subsidized region, a pile of ruins at the site of factories. Depreciation of bridges, roads, hydroelectric power stations, housing and communal services will be close to 100% and we will have to restore it all, spend money from our non-rubber budget.... and what for hang this sadness on the neck of the people of Russia, so that after a conditional half-century again listen to the tales that mother and child have eaten all our bacon? Here many brothers shout, brotherly people. I have no brothers in Ukraine. and personally, I’m much closer to some kind of grandmother from Altai than a dozen miners from the Donbass. something like this. if you want to be brothers, act accordingly.
    1. wax
      wax 23 September 2013 11: 58 New
      +4
      Will it come - will it come, but do we need to revive it again? If only the province becomes? In vain Lenin_Stalin its statehood was nurtured. Feed did not fly into the horse.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 23 September 2013 11: 40 New
    +3
    Good day to all! I join your assessment. good
    Yes, humor through tears and a cheerful style, with all this, with ease and brevity, the author writes about very important and painful moments ...

    I am also sure that my native Ukraine may not be soon (yesterday it was already late), but it will be TOGETHER TOGETHER with Russia and Belarus.

    But the author is right that the more DEVELOPMENT is, the RESTORE will be more expensive. For example, in my native Transcarpathia (Transcarpathian Ukraine, Subcarpathian Rus), almost everything was destroyed (factories, factories, collective farms, frontier posts, Mukachevo radar station), peasants in earnings, and only if where they found something, since there is little work past Ukraine.
    And I won’t be surprised if in winter or spring they break out themselves (or someone from the authorities interested in “speeding up some”, helps and speeds up) the real bloody “hunger riots”. Perhaps this will be for the sake of declaring an emergency / emergency or for another purpose, then the people will be led to this and will be prepared DIRECTLY AND CONSCIOUSLY.

    The situation on the stage of Little Russia is painful, recalls the plots from the USSR (1988-1991) before the collapse and bringing its people ONLY to apathetic observation of the “big game going on” of the political elite from Kiev.
    Or simply "under the supervision" of GOOD American advisers from the CIA in Kiev, "the Caucasian Lezginka" is unlearned to guide Ukraine along the Caucasian trail "CROSSING AND SECTION of the territory of the UR."

    Thanks to the author of FC Skif for a good article.
  • washi
    washi 23 September 2013 11: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    Quote: Egoza
    However, now the question about Tymoshenko has been raised again - "Sort it out before October 15".
    Oh, just the day before yesterday, in the next topic with foam at my mouth, they proved to me that for the sake of association Europe forgot about Tymoshenko, yeah wassat
    IMHO if Europe does not remind about something, then there is no need to rush to rejoice. She has not forgotten, but is just waiting for the interest to run. So we are preparing for the fact that "Lady Bublik" will not only be required to be released, but also the "moral costs of judicial arbitrariness" to compensate her ... what

    All is correct. First, let them adopt the laws necessary for Europe, and then toss. Why Europe needs a bunch of Holodroots, but their resources will come in handy. And you won’t cancel the laws in one day.
    But the vehicle has other requirements. And the legislation will fit a lot of time under the CU. Result - Outskirts for many years again in limbo, which is what the EU is seeking.
  • klip07
    klip07 23 September 2013 11: 54 New
    0
    This article contains a gross mistake - "... Mazepa, Bendery and Yushchenko" ". Stepan's name was Bandera, and Bendery is a city in the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic! And the city has nothing to do with this character, thank God. On the site, this error is repeated several times (there were before). Please heed this note ...
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 23 September 2013 12: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: klip07
      This article contains a gross mistake - "... Mazepa, Bendery and Yushchenko" ".
      Do you suppose that the author could have in mind not a bandit from the West, but the swindler O. Bender, known from the book of Ilf and Petrov? wink
    2. FC SKIF
      24 September 2013 21: 14 New
      0
      I repeat: Pushkin, Gogol, Dostoevsky. Wrote without errors, because I respect and love these people, and who is Bender, so that I remember his name?
  • PValery53
    PValery53 23 September 2013 11: 59 New
    +2
    Since Ukraine decided to "freeze its ears" in spite of tyaty (Russia), then, as they say, so be it ... But, nevertheless, it was in our power to agitate the left-bank Ukraine "to return back to Russia." It's somehow a shame that we leave them "to be devoured" by geyrope ... But ..., "she died, she died."
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 September 2013 12: 00 New
    +2
    Russia will not have to raise everything. There will definitely be a section, or just neighbors will grab someone who has time.
  • major071
    major071 23 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +9
    I just read the news: Ukraine gives China 3 ml. Ha of land in the east of the Dnepropetrovsk region. under agriculture. We begin to sell native land?
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 23 September 2013 12: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: major071
      We begin to sell native land?
      Some already in their native land and accidentally became a homeless person. Not by will or stupid greed, but because of officials. Due to careless translation. What I talked about a few years ago ...
      Language brought to the loss of property

      http://1k.com.ua/492/details/3/3
  • morpogr
    morpogr 23 September 2013 12: 06 New
    +2
    Regrettably, soon we will see another Ukraine.

    Ukraine has not yet died neither glory nor will,
    Still, young brothers, fate smiles.
    Our enemies will perish like dew in the sun
    We, too, will rule the world, on our side.
    Soul and body we will lay for our freedom
    And we show that we, brothers, are Cossack family.

    And there will only be words from the hymn.
    And sadness is that the Ukrpina which is our sister, and the inhabitants are brothers, died.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 23 September 2013 12: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: mak210
    What do you rejoice as small children when their friend fell into a puddle. Are you better? DAMS with Pu will introduce the energy consumption rate, otherwise you will sing it. Already, pensioners are warming lunches on a heating battery and the lamps are turned out of the chandeliers. And the rent, it seems, will continue to be raised, they made a little noise and everything went on.
    And just as the oligarchs wanted to spit on the people, as they exported surplus value over the hill, they exported it, and with this money TAM enterprises are built, and ours slowly but surely bendlike mammoths. And what? They have both children and wives already there, it remains only to move themselves, the alternate aerodrome is already fully equipped. Here, for example, where did Skolkov’s money go http://vspro.info/article/fond-mikhaila-fridmana-investiruet-14-mlrd-v-prachechn


    You can just do anything with us.

    Quote: Apollon
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    So all the propaganda to the EU comes from where the infa comes from. All media are in the hands of those who want to join the EU.

    In all the former republics, one former communist-Komsomol nomenclature is in power, which expels the people of the former USSR. am

    Good day to all!

    You dear less laugh and play up, the situation and prospects are AHOE !!!

    I allowed myself to highlight the thoughts of two forum users in a font. They both very accurately noticed the ESSENCE of the "ongoing tragicomedy."

    Since the HIGH bills for the reunification of our fraternal countries and the restoration of N / X - we will pay, if we are all with you, not “helmsmen” from Kiev but not from Moscow.

    Think like fun people and jokers, today you should laugh madly over tomorrow's shaking out your wallet by order of the authorities (I must replenish the CASE) and give the savings to my “mother postponed for the funeral” ...

    And it will be possible to laugh in the spring of 2014, if everything is quiet. hi
  • Sergeant
    Sergeant 23 September 2013 12: 16 New
    +2
    Gayrop's Ukraine will be "squeezed" - definitely! ..for experiments.
    Another aspect: shale gas.
    Geyropa refuses to extract shale gas in its territories.
    In Ukraine, a whole army of assorted (mostly American) "experimenters" is piling up shale gas deposits, and in gayrope they are running around with "buckets" taking a queue for Ukrainian gas.
    Ecology of Ukraine does not interest anyone ...

    http://argumentua.com/stati/slantsevyi-gaz-pokhoronit-ekologiyu-ukrainy

    http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2012/09/11/1032872.html
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 23 September 2013 12: 20 New
    +3
    Oh and let's play with our European integration associations ... fool In any case, it will not be worse for a thief or a crook to our powers that be. And what will be left to the people? Although, on the other hand, our, mostly stupid, people (I know many people personally) at every election regularly "step on the same rake", voting for the same thieves, grabbers and swindlers! Then they hate the chosen ones, swear at them, spit on them, etc., and in the next elections the same thing ... request
    Moreover, the national-Svidomo degenerates themselves are in the overwhelming minority. The only thing that cannot be taken away from them is their insolence. But the rest ?! You look at someone else, you communicate with him - a completely adequate person, reasonable, educated, logical thinking. As soon as the conversation turns to our politicians, there is no other way to name them, the same person changes instantly - his eyes are "glassy" and the "excrement" of slogans begins. At the same time, arguments, arguments, facts - ZERO! ABSOLUTE!!! You give him the arguments and facts of the opposite - surprisingly enough, he agrees, supports. what Again you ask a question, why then did you vote for them? Again, the same stupid slogans ... wassat Nonsense !!!
    It remains to be affirmed in the opinion expressed by someone (I do not know by whom) that "Mudaism has surpassed all religions of the world in the number of followers." Especially in Ukraine ... sad
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 23 September 2013 12: 23 New
    +9
    All wrong recourse
    and Ukrainians sorry .. but I was with you this summer. Talked with many_ good people. It’s a pity if_ according to the author everything will work. In I remembered a dialogue with a man, the owner of a sailing yacht in Yevpatoriya ... While we were walking, we talked over a beer.
    his words_ I spoke Russian and my children will speak. They went to ... th these politicians.
    And one more observation ... Mariupol, Crimea, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, are the cities and regions where I drove. Listening to the speech of the locals, I roughly estimated that% 80-90 communicate among themselves in Russian (albeit with a characteristic southern dialect) ... and only the remainder on the mov.
  • rocketman
    rocketman 23 September 2013 12: 32 New
    -1
    Article frank delirium. they also thought that the Union would never fall apart - economic integration, gas-oil, and so on. And where is the Union? So it will be now. Enough for the heat in the houses, tea, not Taimyr here. The problem is not gas. And the fact that we are ruled by oligarchic clans who are for the people of n.a.a.t.t. And all tip-top. And such as SKIF, this is really helped by peeing (probably not for free) such false articles ...
    1. FC SKIF
      24 September 2013 21: 23 New
      0
      I have not received a penny for my "masterpieces", I work as a simple worker at a factory, but here it is just, as Tolstoy bequeathed, from physical. work I rest. The site has a ruble "Opinion", and so, this is the very opinion I am expressing.
  • chushoj
    chushoj 23 September 2013 12: 46 New
    +6
    Warming in Ukraine will come when Ukraine is oriented toward Ukraine, not Poland and not Sweden. Love yourself sweet, and not blame the Russians and Jews that all are bad. You need to create yourself.
  • SAG
    SAG 23 September 2013 12: 58 New
    +1
    For a long time I did not consider it necessary to register here, but what I just read dispelled all my doubts! ARTICLE - FIRE !! It feels like Nostradamus wrote! If you omit some exaggeration and details, I’m sure that everything will be exactly the same! A great combination of satire and information))) To the author, respect and respect!
  • Mikola
    Mikola 23 September 2013 13: 06 New
    -9
    Who this article has been read for - rather suckers ury patriots in Russia am While the authors here scare their fellow citizens with the cold in Ukraine))), Yanukovych accuses Putin of non-compliance with the Kharkiv agreement and attempts to impose unequal relations, the prime minister announces another reduction in Russian gas purchases and declares the possibility of mothballing a part of the gas pipeline, limiting the transit of Russian gas to Europe to 50 billion. So in Ukraine, no one is afraid of the author's scarecrows and the stomp of commentators with the "warmth" of such Russian "friendship"
  • michajlo
    michajlo 23 September 2013 13: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: rocketman Segrdnya 13:32, 130923 / pon
    Article frank delirium. they also thought that the Union would never fall apart - economic integration, gas-oil, and so on. And where is the Union? So it will be now. Enough for the heat in the houses, tea, not Taimyr here. PThe problem is not in the gas. And the fact that we are ruled by oligarchic clans who are for the people of n.a.a.t.t., the main thing is that they get together on the forums, letting out steam. And all tip-top. And such as SKIF, this is really helped by peeing (probably not for free) such false articles ...

    Good afternoon, dear Andrew!

    Let me disagree with you that the article is nonsense and fiction. That is, whether this is true or not, we will all be convinced enough, we just have to wait until spring 2014. negative
    Regarding whether or not the author is paid for the article, I don’t know the right ?, but if this is so, sooner or later it will become known, just then the author himself will be ashamed of writing FOR THE PAYMENT, but for now this is only your guesses. what

    I respectfully agree with you FULLY that we all MUST LESS at least bite with each other !!! good drinks
    After all, our constant tears are the joy and profits of our Western “adviser friends”!
    I believe, and more than once already wrote here that we all need to SEEK WHAT WE UNIT and do it а no more fun to make fun of each other. It is clear that a sincere friendly connotation “does not hurt but helps”, this is a normal thing and no one pays attention to it. smile
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 23 September 2013 13: 44 New
      +1
      Hello, Michael. At the moment, there is the same scheme as the 91st - this is a distortion of information. Given the leisurelyness of people (let's see what happens next), I can say that the calculation is correct.
      You may be very offended, but I will say so.
      An animal that seeks where it is more profitable to eat will not deserve human respect when.
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 23 September 2013 13: 52 New
        +1
        chushoj Today, 13:44, _130923 / pon

        Hello, Michael. At the moment, there is the same scheme as the 91st - this is a distortion of information. Given the leisurelyness of people (let's see what happens next), I can say that the calculation is correct.
        You may be very offended, but I will say so.
        An animal that seeks where it is more profitable to eat will not deserve human respect when.


        Good afternoon Dmitry!

        I, like any other who has thought over the essence (not an empty false form), have nothing to be offended by your CORRECT remark.
        How can you regret the sado-Machochists ?! For what?

        Here to protect and pity the children, which because of their age do not understand much, we can and MUST!

        And those who survive from today's "indifferent philistinism" - already tomorrow they will certainly look for not only "chewing gum and entertainment", but above all answer to a simple question:
        - Why are we PEOPLE in this world?
        1. chushoj
          chushoj 23 September 2013 14: 16 New
          +3
          How can you protect children if in Ukraine they were told to these children that they have the best modern education and this is the future of Ukraine? If Yanukovych went all-in and sells the fertile lands of Ukraine to the Chinese, what can you explain to these children?
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 23 September 2013 13: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    Talking with conversations, but I’m more worried about this (I already put it, but it may have slipped past your attention) Over the year, people bought almost 40 thousand barrels. According to statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, more than 827 thousand firearms are at the disposal of citizens - 40 thousand more than last year, Focus writes. The data from specialized associations is even more impressive. According to estimates of the Ukrainian Association of Weapon Owners, in our country 2 million barrels are in legal circulation and over 3,5 million are in illegal circulation. Only during the last month of voluntary surrender of weapons in May, civilians brought 6 "guns" to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. This is twice as much as in the same period last year. Http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Ukraincy-nachali-massovo-skupat-oruzhie-4616
    64.ht

    In America, there is an average of 1.5 trunks per inhabitant. This is despite the fact that in some states they are generally prohibited, so where they are allowed there are much more than 1,5. And nothing live. The more trunks in the hands of the population - the better. If the state is unable (and does not seek) to protect the interests of citizens, then citizens are obliged to think about their protection themselves, incl. and from such a state. If the residents of Vradiyevka were armed, what would happen there?
    Only slaves do not have the right to arms. This means that the number of slaves decreased by 40 thousand in a year. Don't be afraid of that. We should be happy about this. The most "armed" countries and states are the quietest.
    I would also get hold of something serious (and bury it for a rainy day), so that by the time the second Yugoslavia begins to be ready for this.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 23 September 2013 14: 36 New
    +2
    [quote = chushoj Today 14:06 _130923 / pon] How can you protect children if in Ukraine they were told to these children that they have the best modern education and this is the future of Ukraine? If Yanukovych went all-in and sells the fertile lands of Ukraine to the Chinese, what can you explain to these children? [/ Quote]
    Dear Dmitry!
    Neither I nor you ourselves will do much, this is a fact! But the mere fact that anyone reflects on the current events means that the VICTORY of the masters of the “psycho-manipulative war” is incomplete. good In addition, not all thinking people who have concerns about what will happen tomorrow communicate with each other !? There are reserves here. good
    And the fact that when we are ordinary citizens of Ukraine (98%) will remain completely "with naked I apologize * opoy", since they will also steal an elastic band from our cowards, then many will see the light and start "scratching their turnips" ... fool

    But stop retreating, stop, regroup and start a counterattack, MUCH heavier than before, just “clenching your teeth to a crunch” DO NOT STAY OFF AND HOLD THE POSITION!
    We’ll all learn the basics of military art, everything will have its time.

    Otherwise, we ALL defeated, just remain "slaves with an iPhone in his hand" instead of the shackles on his feet. am
  • RUSS
    RUSS 23 September 2013 15: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    "Hasn't Ukraine died yet?"
    And we are on. We will help.

    The anthem of Ukraine itself prompts everyone that Ukraine must "die", but not yet .... yet!
    1. cyber_punk
      cyber_punk 23 September 2013 15: 42 New
      -3
      And what does the anthem of Russia copied from the anthem of a bent country suggest?