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“Without a reliance on military force there can be no strong foreign policy”

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“Without a reliance on military force there can be no strong foreign policy”



Russian President Vladimir Putin 23 September in Sochi will participate in the regular session of the Collective Security Council (CSC) Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), which includes Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan. During the session, it is planned to discuss issues of further strengthening allied cooperation and improving the CSTO collective security system. Great attention will be paid to ensuring the protection of the borders of the Member States, primarily taking into account the upcoming withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan in 2014. Especially for "AN" to the question "Is the struggle for peace now in full swing?" Answered ...

Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Colonel General, Doctor historical Sciences:
"It is with Russia that the opposition to the policy of the USA is connected"


- Indeed, the struggle to prevent the next Great War today is the main problem for all mankind. Here Russia goes to the first positions in the world space. Today it is with our country that the opposition to the policy of the United States, which is a policy of aggression and fascism, is linked. Unfortunately, China is still cautious (but is following Russia's fairway), and many other countries support Russia. In fact, our country is responsible for maintaining the international security system.

But for the United States, this system is an obstacle to completing the construction of a unipolar world, where the Americans and their satellites will act as world gendarmes, destroying all dissenters and executing those leaders who resist international robbery.
But after the Libyan drama in Russia, politicians and representatives of big business had a sense of danger for their posts, capital, and even their lives. Therefore, in Russia today, there is some consolidated objection to US policy.

Russia must today develop its tactical success in resisting aggression against Syria into a strategic victory and a change in the current situation. For this we need allies, and here, as they say, no need to disdain anyone. After all, each member of the CSTO has a vote in the UN. But, of course, they too are under pressure from the forces of war from the West.

So in the framework of the CSTO, it is also necessary to form a common collective position in the struggle for peace and for the preservation of the international security system. I believe that among the CIS countries and especially the CSTO members there are no opponents to this. But everyone is waiting for the leader, everyone is waiting for a political and diplomatic offensive. And, of course, without reliance on military force, on the defense potential, there can be no strong foreign policy. Therefore, against the background of what the Russian leadership is trying to do today to strengthen its defense capability, it is necessary to use the potentials of all our allies, including the SCO and the CSTO.

Vladimir Dvorkin, Chief Researcher, Center for International Security, Institute of World Economy and International Relations, Russian Academy of Sciences, Member of the Russian Academy of Rocket and Artillery Sciences (RARAN), Major General, Professor:
“We need to help Americans in a partnership to avoid such blunders”


“Everyone knows that Tayleran said that politics is the art of cooperation with inevitability.” In collaboration, it is inevitable that the negative consequences of such a policy should be minimized. And for this you need to help the United States in the literal sense, and since we are partners, you need to cooperate with them in a partnership way and pay their attention to the rather rude steps they make, and even mistakes. That is, we need to help the Americans in a partner way to avoid such blunders. True, for this, of course, it is necessary to overcome the powerful resistance of the bureaucracy both in Russia and in the USA.

At one time, I proposed to US senators to create a joint commission to assess threats of this kind, in particular missile ones. They immediately agreed, but then this proposal came into conflict with the positions of the Pentagon and the Russian Foreign Ministry. And it is clear why: their joint threat assessment is much more objective, and the Pentagon, apparently, did not need such objectivity.

And in our Ministry of Foreign Affairs objected to this proposal on the pretext that discussing this issue with the Americans would actually mean recognizing the existence of such a threat ...

Alexander Konovalov, President of the Institute for Strategic Evaluations:
“There would be political will ...”


- We are making a big mistake by continuing to fight for a multipolar world. No multipolar world is formed. Just as there is no unipolar world. The world was both bipolar and remained.

One pole is the states that are ready to live by legal standards and strive for it, although they sometimes do zigzags, like the USA. And the other pole is a world that is not ready to accept these rules of the game, which is trying to break them. In this sense, Russia, Europe, the United States, and even China are one pole.

If we accept the concept of multipolarity, which is so actively promoted by our political leadership, and we consider any new economically developing region to be the pole, then we will not just make a big mistake. We must understand that all these poles are located along the borders with Russia, and they are developing faster and more intensively than Russia itself.

So if there are many of these poles, we must understand that, in strict accordance with Newton's law, these poles will sooner or later, by the force of their gravitational pull, tear Russia apart.

We need an innovative strategy and market promotion of high-tech products. I understand that our intellect was traditionally concentrated in the military sector. But military markets are very limited, besides, they are shrinking. Sale weapons will not pull our economy: the locomotive is too weak, and the composition is too heavy. In addition, we now spend less on science than, say, Finland. To expect that in this case we will have modern weapons competitive in the markets - this is just a utopia! I do not think that we are competitors of the USA in these conditions.

On the other hand, cooperation with America is also possible in the high-tech field. There would be political will.

Alexey Bogaturov, Director of the Scientific and Educational Forum on International Relations, Honored Scientist of the Russian Federation, Professor at MGIMO:
“In the face of the CSTO, to create the vanguard of the international security system in Eurasia”


- Remember, exactly a week before George W. Bush officially declared victory in Iraq, in Bishkek and it was decided to establish the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO)? It looked like Russia's attempt to react in a certain way to what is happening in Europe.

One might think that the CSTO is an organization created against NATO, but this is already yesterday. In my opinion, it can be assumed that Putin’s entourage decided, through the CSTO, to create the vanguard of the international security system in Eurasia, because this is also where the CSTO specialization can arise.

But the situation in this area is complicated by the presence of China, which is an active participant in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

It turns out that the CSTO overlaps the SCO against the background of a small but quite distinguishable US military presence in the region. Will these bodies compete with each other or will they cooperate? It seems to me that there is a big chance that they will cooperate. But for this they must agree on who is responsible for what. These are practical issues that Russia will have to resolve in the coming years with both the United States and Europe.

Andrei Kokoshin, Deputy of the State Duma of the III-V convocations, First Deputy Minister of Defense (1992-1996), Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences:
“... regarding security in the Central Asian region”


- In my opinion, the Collective Security Treaty Organization can also attract those countries that have common interests with regard to security in the Central Asian region. And who said that it must be the republics of the former USSR?

The CSTO is becoming an attractive organization, and the creation of a Collective Rapid Reaction Force is particularly important for Central Asia, especially in light of the fact that a foreign military contingent will be withdrawn from Afghanistan next year.

Vladimir Rubanov, a member of the presidium of the Council on foreign and defense policy, the former head of the analytical department of the KGB of the USSR:
"Commodity capital controls the greatest resources - from economic to media and political"


- It is known that foreign policy begins at home. But it is not quite clear what is modern Russia in terms of its identity? The problem lies in its terrible split - for many reasons: from value orientations to pragmatic interests. Such a diversity of interests, in turn, raises the problem of the absence of a coherent foreign policy and national strategy.

There are quite clearly formulated and actively pursued interests of the raw capital, which controls the greatest resources - from economic to media and political. He calls himself simply - the elite.

Part of society is fragmented and does not have such resources, and on this basis it is called marginal. I will try to speak out from the standpoint of this “marginal”. The formula “what is good for a raw material company imenek is good for Russia” seems to me that it does not work today. Russia today does not have the opportunity to move to a technology development strategy that would stop its slide to the level of a raw material country.

The technological basis of development is concentrated in Russia in the defense industry, which now operates mainly through operating on the global arms market. But in this market, Russia and the United States are competitors, so the pro-American orientation of the commodity sector and its interests conflict with the interests of the high-tech sector of the domestic economy. After all, the markets for the latter are China, India, Iraq, the countries of Southeast Asia, and for raw materials producers - Europe and the USA. And this internal contradiction is projected into foreign policy.

And a policy aimed at protecting the national interests of an economically powerful state is called "marginal." Hence the calls, such as "Enough about morality, let's count the money!"
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 23 September 2013 18: 18 New
    17
    Old, clogged but correct words "Russia has two allies, this is the army and navy"
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 September 2013 18: 29 New
      +6
      Honestly, the title of the article did not sparkle with novelty. It's an axiom.
    2. fklj
      fklj 23 September 2013 18: 42 New
      +9
      Not by word, but by deed. But in reality, we are carrying the Soviet.
      1. alone
        alone 23 September 2013 19: 20 New
        +8
        Quote: fklj
        So, within the framework of the CSTO, it is also necessary to form a common collective position in the struggle for peace and for maintaining the international security system.


        The old general again exaggerates the capabilities of the Collective Security Treaty Organization countries except Belarus and Kazakhstan, the rest will not help Russia in reality. Objectively they do not possess the strengths or capabilities.
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 23 September 2013 19: 23 New
          +4
          Hello, Omar. I completely agree, Ivashov took up real graphomania this year. However, what to expect from him, he did not smell gunpowder.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 23 September 2013 20: 10 New
            +3
            The old general again exaggerates the capabilities of the Collective Security Treaty Organization countries except Belarus and Kazakhstan, the rest will not help Russia in reality. Objectively they do not possess the strengths or capabilities.



            Mr. Ivashov, this is the general secretary who went astray, never commanded a platoon and never, for decades preparing reports, reports, serving tea and other drinks to his superiors. You can only perceive his fables with humor. teaching.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 23 September 2013 23: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: gunnerminer
              to perceive his fables IMHO is only possible with humor. He is not even able to lead the company teaching.


              .emu right now with my grandchildren to go fishing ... laughing and grants must be paid for the Academy he created)))) I wonder how many students study there ... ensigns ... wassat
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 24 September 2013 00: 59 New
                +1
                right now he would go fishing with his grandchildren ... laughing and grants should be paid for the Academy he created)))) I wonder how many students study there ... ensigns ... wassat



                They don’t teach anyone at the Ivashov Academy; they have only been talking about the same thing since 1999.
        2. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 23 September 2013 20: 06 New
          +1
          The old general again exaggerates the capabilities of the Collective Security Treaty Organization countries except Belarus and Kazakhstan, the rest will not help Russia in reality. Objectively they do not possess the strengths or capabilities.


          Given the level of military discipline and the moral and combat qualities of the Kazakhstani command personnel, I express strong doubts about the ability of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan to be something useful for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Yes, and law enforcement agencies too.
          1. 2vladim2
            2vladim2 24 September 2013 01: 00 New
            +1
            And I agree, perhaps, with you. No one will help Russia. So, "fight" in the exercises. But in reality we are alone. But Belarusians still.
          2. Essenger
            Essenger 24 September 2013 18: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: gunnerminer
            I express strong doubts about the ability of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan to be something useful for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


            And we should not help you, we should be apart
      2. sub307
        sub307 23 September 2013 21: 15 New
        0
        Digging deeper: imperial, of the same .... And then, since the Soviet had come from? An article, like an article, really is, of course, but the meaning is true. As well as the fact that breathing needs air, but for drinking water, etc., etc. “Military power” (armed forces) is simply even one of the signs of a sovereign state in general. But, in order to rely on “military force”, this same “force” must qualitatively correspond to well-defined criteria that correspond to the moment, without “puffing out cheeks”.
    3. Civil
      Civil 23 September 2013 19: 44 New
      +1
      Yeah, but the army must not be at the expense of the well-being of people, in fairness
    4. Army1
      Army1 23 September 2013 23: 11 New
      0
      Captains evidence
    5. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 23 September 2013 23: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Old, clogged but correct words "Russia has two allies, this is the army and navy"


      about the third ally - aviation, do not forget!

      And if in essence, I watched the news release. And all that was said by Vladimir Vladimirovich is the true truth.
    6. 2vladim2
      2vladim2 24 September 2013 00: 56 New
      0
      How right then they said. And how good that you remembered this phrase. So it is.
  2. Guun
    Guun 23 September 2013 18: 30 New
    +7
    All the same, that something evil is approaching, I think many feel here.
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 September 2013 18: 38 New
    +4
    It’s obviously necessary to fight and cruelly .. We in Russia always feel this unconsciously. Whether we’ll be able to prepare, the main question will be prepared.
    1. major071
      major071 23 September 2013 21: 46 New
      +6
      Everything goes to this. We don’t have to cook, we are ready for a long time. For centuries, Russia, Russia has been a peaceful country, but always ready to fight back enemies. Who just did not attack us. Well, probably only Africa. Of course, if the ideology of the West continues to be introduced into the masses, then yes, we are in full f. Therefore, pro-Western values ​​must be rejected.
      This is what I dreamed about! The reality is that soon they will conquer us even without an army. all sorts of LGBT people, etc. etc. request
  4. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 23 September 2013 18: 43 New
    +3
    I read these mantras from the beginning of the 70s in different interpretations. They find money for the most elaborate quirks, the turn of the northern rivers, help for the Saddam, Assad, Babrak, agostinho netam, but not for modern equipment, for the maintenance of the army, aviation, navy.
    1. alone
      alone 23 September 2013 19: 25 New
      +7
      I recently read that the government is going to curtail its maternity capital program due to lack of funds. When I read about Russia writing off tens of billions of dollars to some countries, I thought involuntarily. What was the point of writing off debts to these states by presenting them new loans? And who will give guarantees that these loans will not be written off again? and what are the benefits to Russia and the people from such a financial and economic policy?
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 23 September 2013 19: 28 New
        +2
        Yes, no one will ever return them, we are too kind a soul to demand them. And maternity capital will not be canceled after 2016, you can be relatively calm.
      2. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 23 September 2013 20: 12 New
        0
        It is difficult to prepare clear answers to your questions. Now there are gossip and rumors about a loan of $ 750 million for Ukraine.
  5. major071
    major071 23 September 2013 19: 14 New
    +8
    Of all the CSTO, only Russia and Kazakhstan really have a more or less combat-ready army. Belarus too, but with money tight. And the rest is only on paper. request soldier
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 23 September 2013 19: 29 New
    +3
    Without reliance on military force, a country cannot have anything good. He is not there.
  7. KOH
    KOH 23 September 2013 19: 36 New
    0
    Quote: lonely
    Quote: fklj
    So, within the framework of the CSTO, it is also necessary to form a common collective position in the struggle for peace and for maintaining the international security system.


    The old general again exaggerates the capabilities of the Collective Security Treaty Organization countries except Belarus and Kazakhstan, the rest will not help Russia in reality. Objectively they do not possess the strengths or capabilities.


    If anything, they will fight with Russian weapons, and the same Tajiks who know how to fight back in Afghanistan showed themselves ...
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 23 September 2013 20: 15 New
      +2
      They will fight if anything with Russian weapons, and the same Tajiks who know how to fight back in Afghanistan showed themselves



      Some Tajik soldiers, as part of the SA units, yes. But the current Tajik armed forces are still combat-ready, there is still a big question. The end of 2014 will show how high the combat readiness of the Tajik armed forces is.
    2. alone
      alone 23 September 2013 20: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: CON
      They will fight if anything with Russian weapons, and the same Tajiks who know how to fight back in Afghanistan showed themselves ..


      I remembered the 12th outpost of the Moscow border detachment. The Tajik KGB special forces armored convoy and the Tajik Ministry of Defense infantry refused to help them and turned back their armored vehicles, leaving the outpost alone with a whole horde of militants. If you fight like that, then you don’t need an enemy))
  8. Max otto
    Max otto 23 September 2013 19: 51 New
    +3
    But for the United States, this system is an obstacle to completing the construction of a unipolar world, where the Americans and their satellites will act as world gendarmes, destroying all dissenters and executing those leaders who resist international robbery.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 24 September 2013 18: 26 New
      +1
      Does the opinion of the four dictators care for anyone?
  9. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 23 September 2013 20: 45 New
    +2
    All these are well, long-known phrases. And Hurray to you patriots. Only in order to maintain a good army and navy is it necessary to take care of the economy. And when the country sits on the "oil needle" and the leaders can not control the domestic economy? The question is - how can we hold out with our resources. They are very large, but not unlimited. Moreover, considering how many of them are "seized." I’m for the fact that it’s better to feed your army, but not to keep a bunch of loafers in the government apparatus who only thinks how to distribute the money so as not to offend themselves and at the same time explain everything is a necessity. Already tired of all the new changes (reorganization and renaming, changes in legislative acts, etc.) - just an extra waste of money and their "laundering". And so "all is well beautiful marquise ..."
  10. Gur
    Gur 23 September 2013 21: 20 New
    +1
    All these are hackneyed topics, the oil needle and so on are all right, but as for countries and assistance, I think for sure the more allies the better it is to take even our military bases abroad that the enemy can already meet away from the borders, plus the presence in the region is another plus plus a knife non-stuck in the back plus feed will heat and so on.
  11. Zhenya
    Zhenya 23 September 2013 22: 16 New
    +2
    Tajiks and Kyrgyz are not warriors - it is a fact!
    The Slav brothers and Armenia with Kazakhstan are only a pillar. And then I am not sure either in Kazakhstan or in Armenia that they will hold it. Turkey will clearly want the Caucasus, as in the First World War, Azerbaijan will support it, and there will be a confrontation between Russia and Armenia against Turkey and Azerbaijan. In Europe, the whole Baltic and Poland, like cannon fodder, Ukraine as a subdzdarm. There you can rely on the brothers of the Slavs. Asia China and Russia v. USA and possibly Japan. Here is a picture carved out.
    ps
    Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan will clearly try to stay away from the mess.
  12. konvalval
    konvalval 23 September 2013 22: 28 New
    +2
    The title of the article says it all. No one in the world recognizes anything but power. An analysis of world events eloquently confirms this. Therefore, everything that is being done in terms of training the Russian Armed Forces is absolutely justified and necessary, otherwise we will be where we were at the EBN. Remember you want to cry.
  13. Grbear
    Grbear 23 September 2013 23: 02 New
    +1
    The article, of course, is a minus for the selection of experts who do not know what they are broadcasting about. Or broadcast what horrible.

    Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy
    But after the Libyan drama in Russia, politicians and representatives of big business had a sense of danger for their posts, capital, and even their lives. Therefore, in Russia today, there is some consolidated objection to US policy.


    What's this? Russian politicians and businessmen ceased to approve US policy? Or vice versa? And further:

    * Therefore, against the background of what the Russian leadership is trying to do today to strengthen its defense capabilities, it is necessary to use the potentials of all our allies, including the SCO and the CSTO.


    The construction of the phrase “the Russian leadership is trying to do” - they are trying to do something, “the potentials of all our allies” - is already ours, but Russia has practically no allies who will “cover their backs”, and those that are ... you think five times.

    Vladimir Dvorkin, Principal Researcher

    ... then you need to interact with them in a partnership and pay their attention to the rather rough steps they make, and even mistakes.


    I understand to help a friend, but in relation to an aggressive opponent, “laying straws” should not be. And the proposal to discuss the missile threat together is without comment.

    Alexander Konovalov, President of the Institute for Strategic Assessments

    One pole is states that are willing to live by the rule of law and strive for this, although sometimes they do zigzags like the USA. And the other pole is the world that is not ready to accept these rules of the game, which is trying to break them. In this sense, Russia, Europe, the United States, and even China are one pole.


    Nowhere else to go, but he issued:

    On the other hand, cooperation with America is also possible in the high-tech field. There would be political will.


    Yes, Mr. President ... us, what? throw off panties?

    Alexey Bogaturov, Director of NGO

    In his discussions about the SCO and the CSTO, he put everything together. Organizations are created to solve their problems and have their own centers of power. In both cases, Russia is on the cutting edge.

    I don’t even want to discuss the rest.
    From the "attractiveness of the CSTO" to "Formula" what is good for a commodity company is not well-known for Russia, "it seems to me that it does not work today."

    Yes ... Analytics ...
  14. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 23 September 2013 23: 08 New
    +2
    In fact, our country is responsible for maintaining the international security system.

    I have deja vu. No wonder they say that history moves in a circle (in a spiral) with a repeat or almost a repeat of events. It was the same during the Napoleonic wars, during the Second and Third Reichs, and during the Cold War, Russia in the Soviet hypostasis did not allow the unipolar systems to establish itself, it did not allow the peoples to be crushed, although some of them fully deserved the fate of booty in the mouths of jackals. God is with us, I stubbornly believe in the chosenness of Russia and Russians in the best and purest senses, without claiming world domination, without asserting my exclusiveness. If we needed this, answer who would be able to stop the USSR in 1945, and even later during the lifetime of the Great Leader? What could stop us? Only the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, and no one within Eurasia, was then able to do this. Nevertheless, we did not do this, and even more so - did not try. Soviet (Russian) troops behaved in the liberated territories unlike the more humanized "highly civilized" European peoples on Russian soil, whether they were French or Germans, not to mention the Poles. Although according to all the laws of life it should have been different. But this is according to the laws of European life - "an eye for an eye", and our people, having endured the whole burden of world wars, especially the Great Patriotic War, lived on their shoulders with other covenants given to us in ancient times by our ancestors. Having lost our loved ones, our friends, our homes, we knew the value of human suffering. I do not want to idealize my people, everything was, but it was absolutely prevailing precisely such a sacrificial behavior of the majority of Russian people (not only ethnic Russians, but also other peoples that make up the Russian superethnos). I’m not going to argue with those who disagree on this topic, smart and honest people will understand me. To everyone, without exception, a peaceful sky !!!
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 24 September 2013 12: 40 New
      0
      I’m not going to argue with those who disagree on this topic, smart and honest people will understand me. To everyone, without exception, a peaceful sky !!!

      good hi
  15. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 23 September 2013 23: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Marrying
    Tajiks and Kyrgyz are not warriors - this is a fact! The Slav brothers and Armenia and Kazakhstan are only a pillar. And then I am not sure either in Kazakhstan or in Armenia that they will hold it. Turkey

    Do you even understand what you wrote ?.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 23 September 2013 23: 30 New
      +4
      I don’t need to poke, we are not friends. Chew
      1. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, useless countries in armed conflict, there is neither experience, nor money for the army and the army.
      2. The Slav brothers are Belorussians.
      3. Armenia and Kazakhstan have an agreement with us, but formally these countries will not be able to do anything in a major conflict, therefore I say that I am not sure of the support of these countries of Russia in the event of a global conflict.
      4. Turkey wants to be reborn and grab the Caucasus from Russia, as they tried to do in the First World War, Azerbaijan will support them, since until the 19th century these wild nationalities were part of the Ottoman Empire.
      Chewed everything?
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 23 September 2013 23: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Marrying
        The Slav brothers are Belorussians.

        and Ukrainians ... hi that they became the Turks chtoli))))
        Quote: Marrying
        Azerbaijan will support them, since until the 19th century these wild nationalities were part of the Ottoman Empire.


        friend! Azerbaijan has never been part of the Ottoman Empire .. you are confusing something. or learn materiel))))
        Quote: Marrying
        Chewed everything?

        only about points 1,3 smile
        1. Zhenya
          Zhenya 24 September 2013 03: 08 New
          +2
          smersh70Good night!
          1.Baku is the capital of Azerbaijan, am I not confusing anything? If so, then Baku was under the Ottoman Empire from 1566 to 1683, sorry, but I am a historian by training and I know which countries were under the Ottoman Empire, I do not need materiel, thanks. The only thing that I will correct before the 18th century, and not until the 19th.
          2.Ukraine is not part of this union, so I did not mention them.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 September 2013 10: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Marrying
            then Baku was under the Ottoman Empire from 1566 to 1683,


            During the Safavid-Ottoman war, the Ottoman Empire captured Baku in 1578 ... in 1607 the Safavids again recaptured Baku back ... only for a short time Baku was under the Ottomans ... and it’s worthless to call us wild peoples ... we have when the Great Nizami worked ... you still had problems with statehood .... smile hi
            1. Zhenya
              Zhenya 24 September 2013 13: 17 New
              0
              Sorry, but you have clearly rewritten the story, find other sources, you should not draw a conclusion from only one source. In these centuries there were such kings as Ivan the Terrible and Kazan was taken, there were successful campaigns and YOU say there was no statehood? Sorry, but you are clearly wrong! Wild as I put it, it was considered the majority of peoples outside Europe, a priori.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 24 September 2013 13: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Marrying
                but you’ve clearly rewritten the story,

                it’s probably better for us to know our story ....
                Quote: Marrying
                Wild as I put it, was considered the majority of peoples outside Europe

                Yes, when in the East the states formed with a size larger than Europe .. when they discovered astronomy ... chemistry. physics ... they wrote works on history ... right ... in Europe the Celts still fed strawberries)))
                Quote: Marrying
                such kings as Ivan the Terrible and Kazan was taken

                and I'm talking about the beginning of the century ......
                1. Zhenya
                  Zhenya 24 September 2013 17: 05 New
                  0
                  smersh70 Good day!
                  1. Take the current history of Ukraine, it is all rewritten and in most countries of the former USSR, I am absolutely sure that yours has also been changed, everything is in open sources and you are better as you put it not the fact that it is better to know.
                  2. China and Persia, Armenia I can’t isolate anything more from the countries. Parthia and Pontus, maybe, but that was before BC
                  3. Until the beginning of the 16th century (1500), the Moscow principality continued to fight the Golden Horde, as a result, the Horde fell apart. Now tell me, how is it without statehood that the Moscow principality crushed the Great Horde (1502), which Europe was afraid of?
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 24 September 2013 17: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: Marrying
                    current history of Ukraine

                    Well, for self-employed I am not responsible)))))) but for ours yes)))
                    Quote: Marrying
                    how is it without statehood the Moscow principality has crushed the Great Horde (1502)

                    Well, by this time the principality of Moscow was already forming ... and the Horde was weakening, torn by internal contradictions .... well, if they were weak, they would not be kept under occupation for 300 years .... and there, by the way, it’s not so simple ... .I adhere to the theory of Murad Haji (book wormwood grass)
  16. IGS
    IGS 24 September 2013 03: 51 New
    +4
    Dear moderators! Do not print Ivashov! Forum users hurt! What he writes is written by half of those present here. But they do not get those grandmothers like him. Moreover, a suspicion creeps in that he writes off all his "great articles" from our forum, receives royalties and does not share! And you spread it to us to read! Are you kidding me? laughing
  17. zvereok
    zvereok 24 September 2013 05: 13 New
    +2
    The main episodes of the charges in the Oboronservis case related to the activities of the ex-CEO of Slavyanka and co-owner of BiS CJSC Alexander Yelkin, who at first was considered a close friend of the ex-minister Anatoly Serdyukov, may not reach the court, Izvestia writes.

    Other suspects were in a similar situation - the former head of the Department of Property of the Ministry of Defense Evgenia Vasilieva and the former director of the 439-th cartographic factory of the Ministry of Defense in Moscow Natalia Dynkova.

    “We hoped to get direct evidence of Serdyukov himself participating in dubious transactions, but at the same time did not take into account a number of economic nuances,” a source at the Main Military Investigation Department (GVSU) explains. “As a result, they could not get evidence on the ex-minister, and in the incriminated episodes there is practically no corpus delicti.”

    “Now it is not clear how to make out the main episode, imputed to Yelkin, with the maintenance of the complex of buildings of the Ministry of Defense in Kolymazhny Lane. After reconciling the acceptance certificates and tender documentation, it turned out that the military not only was not damaged, but they also owed 20 million rubles, ”a source close to the investigation said.
  18. individual
    individual 24 September 2013 07: 35 New
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    All this can be said in words:"... We are peaceful people, but our armored train stands on a siding ..."
    Anxious in the World. Russia, as never before, needs to strengthen the economy and defense of the country.
  19. vovan100
    vovan100 24 September 2013 07: 40 New
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    I do not agree with the author. A multipolar world must be built with respect for the interests of everyone. And strong, including in the military sense, countries must be a guarantor of non-military solutions to political disputes and strictly observe these agreements.
  20. pahom54
    pahom54 24 September 2013 10: 39 New
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    Good should be strong, that is, have at least a baton (preferably a nuclear one) in your hand. That. that the world is bipolar and even multipolar does not remove from the agenda such a question: who dominates this world. Honestly, I would like Russia and its allies to dominate. And for this we need strong Armed forces (and, accordingly, the economy), we need such an alliance as the CSTO (although I really perceive only Belarus as an ally in it, the rest we need only to help fill their various holes. BUT !! ! The article correctly says that they have votes in the UN, and it is worthless to scatter such allies). And it seems to me that at a certain stage in the development of modern history, Russia and China together will deprive the USA and its allies of priority and dictatorship in foreign policy.
  21. shitovmg
    shitovmg 24 September 2013 13: 38 New
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    Yes, the army and navy ... We are losing our people, the hinterland is bent, there is no work, no money, young people are leaving for the cities, the villages were like after the bombing, and now the nouveau riche and ruins were taken out to cottages for free. The problem of the Russian countryside and food security must be addressed! Then the people will begin to appear homeland. And Moscow and the "dozen" million cities - this is not Russia ...