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I came to aviation consciously ...

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I came to aviation consciously ...With Viktor Livanov, General Director - General Designer of OJSC “Aviation complex named after S. V. Ilyushin ”(OJSC“ IL ”), we met on the eve of his anniversary - September 17, Viktor Vladimirovich turned 70 years old. And on January 13, a team led by Livanov celebrated 80 years since the founding of Russia's leading enterprise in the development of aviation technology - OJSC Il, previously called the KB named after S. V. Ilyushin. "


"MIC": Viktor Vladimirovich, we communicate with you between two anniversaries - the 80 anniversary of Il and your 70 anniversary. How do you feel these dates? What did you manage to do, what not? How has the KB changed over the years?

- When I accepted KB, thousands of employees worked for us at 7,5 - the result of hidden unemployment that was in the Soviet Union. Forced to keep even unnecessary people. I now have 2,5 thousands of people. Sometimes designers are not enough. But is it necessary to hire new ones? When we work on several projects, it is possible to involve other design offices of the UAC (JSC United Aircraft Building Corporation) - that was the point of its creation. It is necessary to divide projects by time, to distribute financial and human resources.

Without strategic thinking in our work is impossible. When I worked as the deputy minister of the defense industry in aviation, it was right after the collapse of the USSR in 1996, I was given the budget of 100 million dollars for the whole industry. Aviation bush then was more than 400 enterprises on state subsidies. I gathered all their leaders in the assembly hall and said: “There is no money and there will not be. Hope for our department is useless. Only one way out - integration. ”

Let me remind you that UAC itself was initially not a joint-stock company, but a non-profit partnership.

"MIC": You came to work in the OKB in 1967 right after the institute. Did you personally know Ilyushin, Tupolev?

- Not. When I came to the plant, Ilyushin was listed as general, but he was already seriously ill, he saw him only three times. His business was adequately continued by the comrades-in-arms of the old guard. I consider my teachers Valery Borog and Heinrich Novozhilov. I came to the plant as an ordinary technologist and it was almost impossible to get into the design bureau, there was only “blue blood” here. Having taken the place of the head in 1988, I began to break down these barriers, they interfered. Among those who are working on one goal, there can be no people better or better; there are those who are seeking and who are not.

For my teachers, aviation was their life. They are absolute professionals who, to the touch, with their eyes closed, could guess the location of parts and assemblies. At the same time they cared about the future and led the young people. Each young specialist was taught everything that they could, they were 100% committed to their work. And the one who managed to adopt this ability, to learn it, of course, became a class specialist.

"MIC": In the aircraft you came consciously?

- Yes, I came to aviation consciously. He entered MAI, did not pass by sight and went to MATI. Place of work, however, I chose on a territorial basis - I was looking for a company closer to home. He lived on Mayakovka. In February, 1967, I already had a son. It is now he is the Minister of Education, but then ... Dimka was sleeping very poorly, and I also worked by translations - I knew English well, I had to live for something. So practically did not sleep. Il-62 was tested in Zhukovsky: in 6.15, an electric train from Kazansky railway station, and at night - transfers for children's crying. You stand in the subway and sleep, in the train to the window you lean against and sleep, in the bus to the checkpoint you also disconnect for a few minutes.

"MIC": IL has a great experience in the civil sector. When you were appointed director in 1988, the IL-96-300 was launched into mass production. How much you are interested in civil aviation industry today?

- We support the airworthiness of the IL-96 and other civil aircraft are not engaged. We have a huge load already: by 76, by IL-112, MTA. Priority - military vehicles. Well, An-124 is also entrusted to us to deal with.

"MIC": This is the intellectual property of the state enterprise "Antonov"?

- According to the accepted amendment of the AP-21, the Russian design bureaus can receive the developer’s right to import aircraft. It looks like this: the Russian authorities request permission for modernization and maintenance, if they cannot agree with the owner of the intellectual rights of the aircraft. In fact, we can begin to refine An-124, there are only minor nuances left that need to be resolved with the Ministry of Defense. I think the competition for An-124 we win.

"MIC": What are the needs of the Ministry of Defense in these machines?

- Mr. Serdyukov once said: “I will buy more 20 machines”. Now the Russian Defense Ministry has decided to go in stages. First, it is necessary to modernize the existing fleet so that the plane can fly not only in Russia, but also along international lines, and then the army will make decisions on whether to build new ones or not.

"MIC": You say that the civil aviation industry you are not very interested, but there is история with long-haul wide-body aircraft. The president in Beijing signs an agreement with the Chinese to jointly develop such an aircraft. You also have serious developments on long-haul technology. Is there a chance that you will be connected to this process?

- Connect.

"MIC": Cooperation with China will not reduce the already lame quality products of the Russian aviation industry?

- This is before the Chinese produced bad goods and equipment. For example, when KB had to urgently change the bus fleet, I was offered to buy licensed Toyota from the Chinese. The difference in price with the original three times. We go to them for the third year - they do not fall apart. The same is true in high technology, in aviation. China has passed the bad copy stage. He began to do, as in Europe, - well. Another question: does Russia need a long-haul aircraft? If the state says it is necessary in order to have a line of SSJ, MC-21 and further - we will complete it with wide-body equipment.

Either the aircraft is needed only by China for domestic consumption, and then the maximum flight range will be 3500 – 4000 kilometers. This is not a long-haul technique. It was proposed to transfer to China the right to localize the IL-96-400. If we are required, we will pass the object, but we will not climb there.

"MIC": You have another item of income - after-sales service aircraft. What is its share in total revenue?

- 50 percent is OCD, 50 percent is after sales. Although a few years ago, everyone was against it: how is it - the design bureau will deal with after-sales service? Well, I said that we will do what I decide, otherwise there will be nothing to eat. As a result, today we have a turnover of six billion rubles: three billion from OCD and three billion from after-sales. We trampled under this whole market, took the entire export market - China, India, Algeria, Iran. I emphasize that we only serve our cars.

"MIC": And what about the transfer of UAC enterprises in Zhukovsky?

- The story stretches from 2008. The question of withdrawing Mikoyan and Sukhov plants from this site is not worth it. To keep production today, which we still have here, is wild, unreal money. City center, production, and dirty. We will take him to Zhukovsky. Engineering will remain in Moscow. If we all leave, the city will lose taxes.

"MIC": What fate awaits Aviaremont?

- "Air repair" will not be. It is simply eliminated. Aviation repair plants are moving to the KLA. True, incomprehensible moments remain. Well, for example, the closing by Mr. Serdyukov of all technical brigades in the units. And we still wonder how airplanes fly at all. Nobody prepares them for flight. Now these parts are trying to recover. The industry is ready to take on medium-sized, overhaul repairs, but not on operational forms of service. And what is the operational form? The plane was handed over, it is necessary to prepare it for the flight and after its departure, check its condition. This is not our business, this is the army’s business. Also do it themselves and civilian airlines. Two years ago we started to deal with service contracts: I send my specialists to inspect airplanes, but they cannot do this - there is not a single ladder, only a bare field. Not that it is impossible to examine it. How to check - remove the chassis, when in no part there are no lifts.

"MIC": There is an opinion that the UAC line of military transport aircraft is understaffed - there is no light military transport aircraft (LVTS), the final agreements on the An-124 have not been reached. Is it so?

- Not really. IL-76MD-90А has been launched, the contract with the Ministry of Defense has been signed. We successfully conducted his factory test, now the plane is on state tests. About 60 percent work on it in this part has already been completed. Ulyanovsk, in cooperation with VASO and KAPO, launched mass production.

"MIC": When did you realize that in a relationship with Tashkent you still have to put an end, and the 76 machine should be transferred to Russia? For a long time after trying to establish cooperation.

- We even signed an agreement on the entry of the Tashkent plant in the KLA. Our Duma certified it, but they are not. We offered to upgrade the plant. But Tashkent said that the plant will produce cars. Then it was decided to implement the project launch 476-th in Ulyanovsk with 2006 year.

IL-76MD-90A - a fundamentally new car. Next is the Russian-Indian MTA project. A technical project has been made; its translation is underway; in September there will be protection. By the end of the year, we expect to sign a contract for the entire cycle of OCD. At the end of December last year, Sergei Shoigu set a task for us: to submit a proposal for choosing LVTS by July 15. The choice was between the An-140, which is produced in Samara on Aviakor, and IL-112. It was decided to recommend as an LVTS IL, using the reserves of IL-112В.

"MIC": Why?

- Unlike An-140 IL-112, it completely corresponded to the task already specified in the 2003 technical task. In addition, the An-140 Ukrainian assembly. There is a danger that Ukraine will behave unpredictably.

In addition, there are problems with intellectual property rights. Aviacor today produces mostly fuselages. The wing and plumage receives from Ukraine, from Kharkov. Given the plight of the plant, you need to understand that the supply may be disrupted. When Aviakor announced an increase in the diameter of the fuselage in order to perform the TTZ, the choice became obvious. Indeed, after this it is necessary to introduce serious constructive improvements. That is, we get a new Ukrainian aircraft, for which Russia will pay.

"MIC": What is the project IL-106?

- At one time we considered a promising military transport aircraft IL-106. We are trying to look not in tomorrow, but in the day after tomorrow. Therefore, we are considering the possibility of entering a project fundamentally different from the point of view of the design of a military transport aircraft somewhere in the region of 30. Americans are considering several design schemes - a flying wing carrying the fuselage. And we are exploring such options ... Therefore, I think, as such, IL-106 will not appear again. But the prospect of further development of the military transport sector is.

MIC: A new scheme is not everything, new materials are also needed ...

- I am not a supporter of "baking" completely composite machines. We must first conduct research, understand how the composite-metal combination will behave, how this construction works. What are the possibilities of repair in the field. The plane lands on an unprepared airfield, on the ground, so the military does not want composites. This is just a pragmatic approach.

"MIC": They say our planes do not buy precisely because we are technically lagging behind.

- Nothing like this. We are inferior in the price of money. Boeing offers customers not just a product, but also a financing scheme. And what will we offer?

"MIC": But we also have "Ilyushin Finance" - the first leasing company in the domestic aviation industry.

- And the only one that sells Russian aircraft. They need a monument for this. We opened this company together with Alexander Rubtsov - 50 on 50. Then it was about the need to engage in leasing 96 th. Now we have one percent left. This is not our company with a capitalization of several billion dollars. So our one percent is worth much more than we invested.

"MIC": IL-476 - a new aircraft or deeply modernized?

- Judge for yourself. We changed all systems to 70 percent and kept only the aerodynamic geometric shape. She has proven herself well over 40 years of operation. But we reduced the weight of the structure, only two tons were removed from the wing. When IL-76 was created, there was no such technology. The wing consisted of three parts, we have a single panel - 24 meter. No joints, improved strength, redid the entire fuel system, power supply system, including lighting, power supply. Replaced the engine. Increased take-off weight to 210 tons, made a "glass cabin".

"MIC": From the point of view of the commercial component, is it interesting?

- While I do not see interest, although we are negotiating. Already received applications Rosoboronexport, there are quite serious. For a commercial customer an aircraft must be certified.

"MIC": They say you are very friendly with Rogozin. How much does this friendship help you?

- We have not just a good relationship. My wife is Dmitry O.’s sister. I rarely turn to him for help. This is a slightly different relationship, understand? On the contrary, I feel even greater responsibility to him in terms of the implementation of the program. We are brought up differently. My father in law was a military pilot. And he raised the children as officers so as not to sully the honor of the uniform. My dad is also a military man. I have no right to call Rogozin and ask me to cover. I would rather advise my son to postpone some kind of reform ... to which I will receive an answer: "Dad, I'm 46 years old."

"MIC": On your anniversary, probably, the whole family will gather. How will you celebrate? Is something special planned?

“Our family is very large, consists of three clans: the Livanovs, the Rogozins, now my daughter is married (now they have three children) to Kozhanov. If you take all the relatives - it's about 50 people. Apart from children, we have seven grandchildren. Dmitry has four children, and Darya has three. I also have three sisters, each with two children. We have been celebrating all the birthdays together for 30 for years, but this time I had a thought to go somewhere on September 17, and then invite relatives, but they told me that no one would understand this - everyone is waiting and preparing.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 21 September 2013 11: 39 New
    +7
    Long life and good health, poorly raised son request
    Mr. Serdyukov’s closure of all technical teams in units. And we still wonder how airplanes generally fly. Nobody is preparing them for the flight.

    For a long time, Russia will have the reformist urges of Serdyukov to burp recourse
    Our family is very large, consists of three clans: Livanovs, Rogozins, now my daughter married (now they have three children) for Kozhanov.

    winked
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 21 September 2013 12: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: seasoned
      For a long time yet Russia will be the reformist urge Serdyukov burp recourse

      Actually, this is called dynasties, unlike the Serdyukov clan and so on. mafia structures.
      And I would be in your place in no hurry to put them on a par with Serdyukov and so on ...

      In any case, as they say ... “And everyone was judged according to his deeds.” yes
      1. experienced
        experienced 21 September 2013 13: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: GreatRussia
        Actually, this is called dynasties, unlike the Serdyukov clan and so on. mafia structures.

        The dynasty is with the rulers winked
        Labor dynasties are when a son follows in the footsteps of his father for several generations.
        In this case, dad is an engineer in the aeronautical field, and his son is the Minister of Education.
        It offended me that Livanov calls the word “clan” at the mention of his family ... The clan is based on Ozhegov’s dictionary
        A closed group of people who consider themselves elected, the best in any. relation (book)

        However, the clans are in power now, probably from Chechnya ... recourse

        My phrase about Serdyukov refers exclusively to the closure of technical teams in parts hi
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 21 September 2013 14: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: seasoned
          It offended me that Livanov calls the word “clan” at the mention of his family ... The clan is based on Ozhegov’s dictionary
          A closed group of people who consider themselves elected, the best in any. relation (book)

          There are many variations. Initially:
          Encyclopedic Dictionary F.A. Brockhaus and I.A. Efron.
          Clan
          the Gallic word cland or clann means seed, and in a more general sense - children, offspring. Among many others, it serves to designate that kindred group, which lies at the base of the tribal system of Ireland and southern Scotland. From here this word passed into English, first in the more special meaning of mountain K., subsequently meaning a tribal or clan group in general.




          Quote: seasoned
          The dynasty is at sovereigns winked

          Well, who do you think this is? Cooks? smile


          In 1996, the Ministry of Defense Industry of the Russian Federation was created on the basis of the State Committee for Defense Industries. November 9 of the same year by decree of the Government of the Russian Federation Viktor Vladimirovich Livanov appointed Deputy Minister.
          http://www.peoples.ru/finans/manager/viktor_livanov/


          Dmitry Viktorovich Livanov (born February 15, 1967, Moscow, USSR) is a Russian statesman, scientist, and theoretical physicist. Minister education and science of the Russian Federation since May 21, 2012 [1]. Doctor of physico-mathematical sciences, professor.

          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CB%E8%E2%E0%ED%EE%E2,_%C4%EC%E8%F2%F0%E8%E9_%C2%E8



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          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 21 September 2013 14: 46 New
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            Father:
            Oleg Konstantinovich Rogozin (October 31, 1929 - March 24, 2010) - Soviet organizer of the defense industry and scientist. Lieutenant General Deputy Head of the Arms Service of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR (until 1989). Professor, Doctor of Technical Sciences. Father of Russian politician Dmitry Rogozin.
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%EE%E3%EE%E7%E8%ED,_%CE%EB%E5%E3_%CA%EE%ED%F1%F2
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            Son:
            Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin (December 21, 1963, Moscow) - Russian politician, statesman, diplomat, doctor of philosophical sciences. December 2011 - Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation, Chairman of the Maritime Board under the Government of the Russian Federation, Chairman of the State Border Commission and the Export Control Commission of the Russian Federation.
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%94%
            D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D
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          2. experienced
            experienced 21 September 2013 14: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: GreatRussia
            Well, who do you think this is? Cooks?
            Deputy Minister.
            Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation

            It nomenclature and between her and dynasty very big difference. It's amazing that you don't distinguish such simple things. request
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 21 September 2013 14: 58 New
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              Quote: seasoned
              This is a nomenclature and there is a very big difference between it and the dynasty. It’s amazing that you don’t distinguish such simple things. Request

              Between which dynasty? The dynasty in Russia is a very conventional concept, starting from the moment of the overthrow of the monarchy.
            2. predator.3
              predator.3 22 September 2013 21: 07 New
              0
              In February 1967, my son was already born. He is now the Minister of Education, and then ...

              It would be better if he remained a simple physicist, and not a minister a la Fursenko!
        2. StolzSS
          StolzSS 22 September 2013 12: 35 New
          0
          Let me remind you that Beria and Grabin were married to their own sisters and this only positively influenced the matter. So maybe it will be all right here. hi
    2. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer 21 September 2013 16: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      poorly raised his son

      Well, we can write a collective letter asking to put in a belt)
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 September 2013 19: 53 New
      +4
      I came to aviation consciously ... that is, on appeal! and do not regret it! I saw with my own eyes how prapora create domestic electronics! how the boards “poison”, how security systems are created from .. how our ugly “horizons” are forced to work in the right range ... and we looked at the “rund” and other programs of the German Democratic Republic and Germany, Denmark, Belgium and France, bulging balls. ..and others ... I bow to Ensign Artemyev, this is a brilliant man, lost, I think, in the abyss of our army ...
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +5
    Health and long life! Real man!
  3. user
    user 21 September 2013 12: 06 New
    +6
    THE SMOKER IS ALIVE.
    By the way, I believe that the IL-86 and IL-96 aircraft are one of the most successful aircraft, with regard to accident-freeness, they are the most successful in the world, if someone is not in the topic, see the accident rate and never see these models
    1. clidon
      clidon 21 September 2013 13: 39 New
      0
      with regard to trouble-free, the most successful in the world

      IL-86 - 98 vehicles - 4 lost as a result of accidents (22 people died in total).
      IL-96 - 26 vehicles - not a single one was lost.
      Boeing 777 - 1127 vehicles - 3 lost as a result of accidents (3 people died in total).
      Airbus 340 - 377 cars - 5 lost (not a single person was killed).
      Airbus 380 - 108 cars - not a single one is lost.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 21 September 2013 13: 43 New
      +1
      IL-86 - 4 aircraft crashed and 22 dead.
      IL-96 - only minor incidents.

      However, the whole point is that both of these aircraft were built by a series of less than 150 machines, and now about 40 units fly. Hence the trouble-free.

      As for the successful ones, they were successful for the USSR where fuel was valued as water, passengers could queue for the toilet, eat food heated in a primitive kitchen and entertain themselves on the flight. Nowadays, fuel is expensive, comfort = workload of this flight from this company. Therefore, aircraft are not competitive in market conditions, because a market-based ticket (fuel + service + a larger crew with a salary) will be much more expensive than a similarly market-based ticket on Watermelon / Boeing from a competing airline.
      1. clidon
        clidon 21 September 2013 13: 58 New
        +1
        There are less than 20 of them.
      2. user
        user 22 September 2013 07: 06 New
        0
        As for comfort and fuel, in the current conditions, I agree.
    3. AVV
      AVV 21 September 2013 14: 01 New
      +1
      Good luck and new developments, soon you will have to transfer engine building from Russia to Ukraine! At least the Ukrainian elite is pushing hard at this !!!
  4. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 21 September 2013 12: 06 New
    0
    My wife is the sister of Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin.

    This is called lobbying and for business a big, big minus.
    How can such things never be allowed on me, between the customer and the manufacturer
    kinship should never be.
    As the saying goes nonsense, the main thing is maneuvers. And the fact that in aviation there is longing for anyone who is interested.
  5. michajlo
    michajlo 21 September 2013 13: 20 New
    0
    Good day to all!

    I join in the congratulations and wishes of the forum users to Victor Livanov!

    I wish you good health, success in your creative and organizational work, and simple human happiness, joy in life and all your loved ones! drinks

    Messages from such competent, talented engineers and organizers are well read, the soul just rejoices that, despite all the efforts of the "perestroika and reformer-Wreckers," there remained centers of technical thought and production in Russia.

    There would be more state support, technical talents, as "businessmen" from the military-industrial complex (SSJ Poghosyan), not only rob the state treasury, but actually simply TOPOT / BLOCK financing to other design bureaus and factories in Russia, but you still need to have several for different groups and regions.

    The principle of the KLA is probably good and helped to save personnel, but then all design bureaus and aircraft plants should be included in it.

    The only thing that, as a sober-minded techie, did the "major" style of presentation in this article alert me a little? Everything is so beautiful and good that I just can’t believe that it happens in life !?
    I mean the technical aspects set forth in the article (and not the details from the personal and family life of the distinguished hero of the day).

    But the maintenance problems in the troops described in this article are already an alarming siren for guidanceif the state of affairs remains this, then soon we will read about the non-departure of aircraft from the airfield (this is at best) or the crashes and air crashes of military aircraft. am
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 21 September 2013 13: 56 New
      +4
      quote-With Victor Livanov, General Director - General Designer of OJSC S. V. Ilyushin Aviation Complex OJSC (IL OJSC), we met on the eve of his anniversary - on September 17, Viktor Vladimirovich turned 70 years old.

      Viktor Vladimirovich with the anniversary of you, good health to you and further creative success.
  6. Aeneas
    Aeneas 21 September 2013 13: 53 New
    +3
    when Viktor Livanov was a technologist, the cast of "blue blood" prevented him from getting into the designers. Mdaa, the campaign of the Livanov-Rogozin’s blood also “went blue”, if the VPK-Obrazovanie-Aviaprom was headed by representatives of this respected family.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 22 September 2013 00: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Aeneas
      when Viktor Livanov was a technologist, the cast of "blue blood" prevented him from getting into the designers. Mdaa, the campaign of the Livanov-Rogozin’s blood also “went blue”, if the VPK-Obrazovanie-Aviaprom was headed by representatives of this respected family.

      - These respected "clans" - as the author said. Himself in the subject. Well, what can you do, first they sit alone, then they bronze (in the SABZh they “bleed”), others come, Turk them from their homes and sit down themselves until they “bronze” or “bleed” ... And therefore, someone else is also selling and they are already being turned in the same way. And what kind of place is it, where are the Turks coming from and where is the blood so spoiled? Yes, the feeder is called in common people laughing
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  8. stranik72
    stranik72 21 September 2013 17: 13 New
    +6
    And here from Ilyushintsev, I heard that this man was at the head of the company, not at the good time and very much frolic, including with the real estate of the company. And the passage about hidden unemployment in the USSR says something about it. During his "leadership" the company did not create a single new aircraft. Arriving in 1988 under the slogan Down with the Soviets, he turned out to be a fig leader, but a good nomenclature, let him live as he could. Only it can hardly be considered a successful leader, who considers the destruction of "blue blood" designers to be his main merit. He doesn’t understand this, he’s a technologist by training, so poor Russia and its education wisdom “the apple does not fall far from the apple tree”.
  9. rocketman
    rocketman 21 September 2013 17: 14 New
    +1
    "MIC": This is the intellectual property of the state enterprise "Antonov"?

    - According to the accepted amendment of the AP-21, the Russian design bureaus can receive the developer’s right to import aircraft. It looks like this: the Russian authorities request permission for modernization and maintenance, if they cannot agree with the owner of the intellectual rights of the aircraft. In fact, we can begin to refine An-124, there are only minor nuances left that need to be resolved with the Ministry of Defense. I think the competition for An-124 we win.

    They asked their own, they were allowed to go, and forward? Where is Antonovskaya firm here? Where is Ukraine? Does it smell like banal theft?
  10. Geyts
    Geyts 21 September 2013 22: 20 New
    -1
    to drive such n .... and to ....
  11. EGORKA
    EGORKA 22 September 2013 02: 25 New
    0
    Quote: rocketman
    "MIC": This is the intellectual property of the state enterprise "Antonov"?

    - According to the accepted amendment of the AP-21, the Russian design bureaus can receive the developer’s right to import aircraft. It looks like this: the Russian authorities request permission for modernization and maintenance, if they cannot agree with the owner of the intellectual rights of the aircraft. In fact, we can begin to refine An-124, there are only minor nuances left that need to be resolved with the Ministry of Defense. I think the competition for An-124 we win.

    They asked their own, they were allowed to go, and forward? Where is Antonovskaya firm here? Where is Ukraine? Does it smell like banal theft?

    It’s not Russia that’s the first, it’s like world experience, Ukraine itself has recently built an air-cushion landing boat, and it was developed in the St. Petersburg Design Bureau.
  12. Aeneas
    Aeneas 22 September 2013 10: 08 New
    0
    Quote: EGORKA
    Quote: rocketman
    "MIC": This is the intellectual property of the state enterprise "Antonov"?

    - According to the accepted amendment of the AP-21, the Russian design bureaus can receive the developer’s right to import aircraft. It looks like this: the Russian authorities request permission for modernization and maintenance, if they cannot agree with the owner of the intellectual rights of the aircraft. In fact, we can begin to refine An-124, there are only minor nuances left that need to be resolved with the Ministry of Defense. I think the competition for An-124 we win.

    They asked their own, they were allowed to go, and forward? Where is Antonovskaya firm here? Where is Ukraine? Does it smell like banal theft?

    It’s not Russia that’s the first, it’s like world experience, Ukraine itself has recently built an air-cushion landing boat, and it was developed in the St. Petersburg Design Bureau.
    Of course, your example has a place to be, because in shipbuilding there was a complete "divorce and maiden name", though Zorya still supplies turbines for Russian ships. Motor Sich is very unhappy that their dvigun was “moved” from the Yak-130, localizing production on Saturn without Ukrainian components, although they agreed on cooperation. An-124 will modernize Ilyushin, then it is natural that the An-70 will take off in China. Rogozin insults Kiva, Kiva throws kakahi at Rogozin, everything goes to tara-tara, the last thread is torn, despite the fact that in the aircraft industry and engineering the most pro-Russian lobbyists in Ukraine.
  13. Cristall
    Cristall 22 September 2013 12: 53 New
    +1
    Well, I think my an 124 Russia may not ask permission for modernization, like Ukraine about Mi 24. But only if
    The sides were made before the collapse of the USSR
    No modernization of ANTK
    Otherwise, Russia can still, but ANTK will simply withdraw all its guarantees. And since the intellectual system is secured by international treaties, it is possible that the AN 124 of Russia will not be allowed on international lines.
    Although everything can go according to the Chinese scenario
    But until all 100% is produced and the An 124 engines in Russia, they will definitely not break with Ukraine
    IMHO.
    The bison / bison was easier - there was a factory there, but in Russia they just bought a skirt. Here the interest is higher.
    Well, Russia can make modernization without asking ANTK .. just that guarantee will not issue a mustache either.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 22 September 2013 18: 22 New
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      And yes and no, experience is the modernization of the Mi-24 Kontopom, with the participation of Israeli firms, the modernization of the MiG-21 by the Romanians together with Israel again, but this is in the military field, there are such facts in civilian life, but as a rule, this is really only for domestic consumption, although there seems to be a case where the developer firm agreed to the production (rather, refused to be accompanied) and it seems even these L.A. they were sold abroad, only under a different brand, and so Mr. Lebanon Sr. gives out what he really wants, and you can believe that it’s not related to a major change in design, but what he says is fantastic.
  14. EGORKA
    EGORKA 22 September 2013 16: 45 New
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    Quote: Aeneas
    Quote: EGORKA
    Quote: rocketman
    "MIC": This is the intellectual property of the state enterprise "Antonov"?

    - According to the accepted amendment of the AP-21, the Russian design bureaus can receive the developer’s right to import aircraft. It looks like this: the Russian authorities request permission for modernization and maintenance, if they cannot agree with the owner of the intellectual rights of the aircraft. In fact, we can begin to refine An-124, there are only minor nuances left that need to be resolved with the Ministry of Defense. I think the competition for An-124 we win.

    They asked their own, they were allowed to go, and forward? Where is Antonovskaya firm here? Where is Ukraine? Does it smell like banal theft?

    It’s not Russia that’s the first, it’s like world experience, Ukraine itself has recently built an air-cushion landing boat, and it was developed in the St. Petersburg Design Bureau.
    Of course, your example has a place to be, because in shipbuilding there was a complete "divorce and maiden name", though Zorya still supplies turbines for Russian ships. Motor Sich is very unhappy that their dvigun was “moved” from the Yak-130, localizing production on Saturn without Ukrainian components, although they agreed on cooperation. An-124 will modernize Ilyushin, then it is natural that the An-70 will take off in China. Rogozin insults Kiva, Kiva throws kakahi at Rogozin, everything goes to tara-tara, the last thread is torn, despite the fact that in the aircraft industry and engineering the most pro-Russian lobbyists in Ukraine.

    When Ukraine is getting farther away from Russia, this is what happens, the unpredictability and agility of Ukraine makes one wonder how Yanukovych the “pro-Russian” example promised a lot of things before the elections and we see the result of his promises. And the An-70, having flown up to China in Ukraine, may not Europe will return with him, so what is worse in China? Plus, the airbus seemed to promise to stick sticks in An-70 wheels, figuratively speaking. And China will require a 50/50 joint venture, which Russia also wanted, but Ukraine refused, no one wants to build a plane for Ukraine for our money, except for Russia, provided that we are united in one direction.
  15. studentmati
    studentmati 23 September 2013 03: 11 New
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    First of all, with the anniversary! drinks Age is venerable and results have a place to be! drinks

    One wish is to preserve and continue to develop the author’s school in the domestic aviation industry!
  16. bubla5
    bubla5 23 September 2013 11: 35 New
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    When I accepted KB, we had 7,5 thousand employees — the result of the hidden unemployment that was in the Soviet Union. They made us keep even unnecessary people. Now I have 2,5 thousand
    I don’t remember something during the times of the USSR at the plants of unnecessary people, now they produce different garbage, and even with difficulty, before doing 10 silts a year, and now two with difficulty, so do not tell fairy tales, Mr. Designer
    1. clidon
      clidon 23 September 2013 15: 34 New
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      We have such "not particularly involved" called "The owners of the smoking room." Production in the USSR did fulfill a social function as well - the states were greatly inflated.
  17. vadimuch
    vadimuch 23 September 2013 14: 18 New
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    The article must be carefully read, since 1988, people have not released a single car of their own and have kept everything “cool,” which Ilyushin-Finance alone is worth. Everything that this person undertook was “optimized”, which you don’t read; everything was improved, simplified, but it didn’t go into the series for whatever reasons, or it was sold to China.
    As for the clan, this is a Freudian clause, and the truth is the "soprano clan", the mafia that turns the defense into garbage.