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The cost of the M-777 howitzers planned for purchase for NE India is growing rapidly

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The cost of the M-777 howitzers planned for purchase for NE India is growing rapidly

The long delay by India of an official confirmation of the purchase of American-made M-145 lightweight towed howitzers 777 can lead to a significant increase in the cost of implementing the program.


It is reported by "Janes Defense Weekly", citing industry sources.

According to sources, the inability of the Indian Ministry of Defense to confirm an order for the supply of M-777 under the program "Foreign military sales" led to an increase in cost from 647 million dollars as of January 2010 year (according to DSCA notifications) to 694 million dollars as of August 2013 of the year.

This information was confirmed by the Minister of Defense of India A.K. Anthony in response to the request of parliamentarians, saying that the US government responded to the request sent in November 2012 of the year by “a letter with a proposal and acceptance of a proposal” with a preliminary cost of $ 694 million.

An industry source said that the price increased to 694 million dollars is a “gesture” of DSCA, designed to support negotiations on the supply of M-777 open, otherwise the contract would be considered canceled and the process would have to start anew.

Military sources familiar with the program's progress reported that the cost increase was partly due to the need to provide compensation to BAE Systems for maintaining the M-777 assembly lines in the UK and the USA. For these purposes, from the end of 2012, the company was forced to send about 50 million dollars, since it has no other orders for the supply of M-777.

Sources say that if the Indian MoD will not be able to confirm the agreement by October 15, the assembly line will still be closed, and the resumption of production will require an increase in the cost of India for the new agreement by 37% - up to 885 million dollars. This will also delay the delivery of India’s howitzers, as re-certification of components will be required. M-777 large assemblies are manufactured in the UK. But, since the main customers of the howitzers are NE and USMC, guns are assembled at the BAE Systems enterprise in Hettisburg (Mississippi pieces). The American side notified the Indian MoD that the cost of M-777 would increase and the assembly lines would be closed if the contract was not signed soon, but did not receive an official response.

As stated by Jaynes 18 on September, a representative of BAE Systems, the governments of India and the United States continue negotiations.

Meanwhile, the production program for the Indian Army of the 155-mm FH-77B towed howitzers with a barrel length of 45 calibers is experiencing problems. In early August, the barrel of one of the guns exploded during trials in Rajasthan. The prototype was manufactured at the Office armory factories OFB (Ordnance Factory Board), which received the technology for the production of these guns in the framework of the contract signed with the Bofors company in 1987 for the purchase of 410 units. 155 mm FH-77B towed howitzers with a barrel length of 39 calibers. Previously, production did not start due to a corruption scandal, which involved politicians, representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the command of the Indian Armed Forces.

According to official sources, now the incident with the rupture of the trunk may delay the implementation of the program for the production of these howitzers for more than a year.
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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 21 September 2013 11: 20
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    I understood that the torn gun was made in India. They have eternal problems with the manufacture of licensed equipment. Some time ago, they were going to release "drying". We were unable to establish high-quality production. The technique is hardly to blame. Bofors is an excellent company. Well-worn old "bofors" worked like clockwork with us during the war.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 21 September 2013 11: 43
      +2
      Hindus seem to buy only tools, no licensed production. Those. screwed up the Yankees.
      1. sub307
        sub307 21 September 2013 11: 57
        +5
        Ordnance Factories Board (OFB), consisting of the Indian Ordnance Factories. This is an Indian enterprise. The text clearly states - what and whose production was broken. “Yankees” have nothing to do with it.
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 21 September 2013 11: 58
        +5
        OFB -Indian office themselves nakosyachili now suffer.
        Here one involuntarily recalls a joke about the fact that you have good children, but everything that is done by hand .....
        1. edge
          edge 21 September 2013 17: 18
          +3
          Quote: lelikas
          OFB -Indian office themselves nakosyachili -Now suffer

          it seems that they can only buy high-quality weapons and a few zips to them ........
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 22 September 2013 14: 59
            0
            it seems that they can only buy high-quality weapons and a few zips to them ........

            and at the same time take full full warranty service by the manufacturer for the entire cycle in the army
      3. cdrt
        cdrt 22 September 2013 14: 57
        0
        Hindus seem to buy only tools, no licensed production. Those. screwed up the Yankees.

        If you do not understand the subject, do not be ashamed to publicly express your opinion?
        FH-77B - Swedish gun, manufactured under license in India, and apparently - not very high quality manufactured. What does the Yankee have to do with it?
  2. sashka
    sashka 21 September 2013 12: 01
    +6
    A cool and correct approach to business .. Either here or there. (Similar to how Ukrainians twitch), I liked it. And it would not hurt us to "show off" in front of some "comrades" like that ..
    1. Nuar
      Nuar 22 September 2013 10: 23
      +1
      And I liked the price. How can one and a half hundred "light towed howitzers" cost 650 lemons?
      1. Nuar
        Nuar 22 September 2013 10: 30
        +1
        Pe Se. :
        the price increased to 694 million dollars is a “gesture” of DSCA, designed to support negotiations on the supply of M-777 open

        but this is generally some kind of fantasy.

        It would be fun to come to the market, ask for a price. You stand, you think not to take it, but the seller, to maintain a conversation:
        "you think so? Only the price is already 10% more ..."
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 22 September 2013 15: 01
          0
          but this is generally some kind of fantasy.

          It would be fun to come to the market, ask for a price. You stand, you think not to take it, but the seller, to maintain a conversation:
          "you think so? Only the price is already 10% more ..."


          Here it is only necessary to strive.
          To make your weapons ready to buy at such a frantic price, and even endure such dressing wink
  3. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 21 September 2013 12: 23
    +5
    Hindus exhaust their counterparts so much that they just want to be sent. Yes, it hurts a promising market.
    1. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 21 September 2013 22: 14
      +2
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Hindus exhaust their counterparts so much that they just want to be sent. Yes, it hurts a promising market.

      Hindus are considered the most cunning and efficient buyers (and the Chinese are the most effective sellers). I saw Indians "in business" on purchases in one of the Russian firms. Yes, you're right, it's exhausting and that's part of the game.
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 September 2013 12: 32
    +6
    Something India is buying up weapons from everyone in a row .. What are they preparing for? The country is not very rich (except for the number of population) They want to cling to China ..?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 21 September 2013 13: 48
      +5
      No luck to the Indians with weapons, then the boat takes off into the air, then the barrels of the guns explode.


      1. smart ass
        smart ass 21 September 2013 16: 08
        +2
        The shape is beautiful at the Americans
    2. zennon
      zennon 21 September 2013 16: 14
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Something India is buying up weapons from everyone in a row .. What are they preparing for? The country is not very rich (except for the number of population) They want to cling to China ..?

      Diversifying arms supplies is the right, sensible position. You can’t depend on the supply of one or two countries. The truth is that corruption plays an important role in Mowgli orders. Remember the trade agreement for the supply of 410 Swedish howitzers of the FH-77B totaling $ 1,2 billion? Representatives of the Bofors company paid huge bribes directly to high-ranking officials and big businessmen of India, and the transactions were carried out in violation of the banking procedures and financial laws established by local laws. The investigation went far beyond India and Sweden. Sonia Gandhi was involved in the case. This led to the defeat of Rajiv Gandhi's Indian National Congress party. Well, there’s someone to be afraid of. They had conflicts in Tibet in 1962. , 65th, 67th years. Relations with Pakistan are well-known. Yes, the country is very poor. Per capita GDP of $ 1,388 (140th). (Russia $ 14 918), HDI (2013) 0,554-136- th, (in Russia it’s 0,788-55th.) But the army’s positions are very strong, hence the expenses ... Well, howitzer is sensible. The weight is half that of 2A65 Msta-B. Yanks were used in its production stve titanium, almost 30% .Opyat same Excalibur guided missiles, developed with the participation of the way Swedes.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 21 September 2013 18: 18
        +7
        The howitzer is really very good. So far, it has no analogues in terms of weight. And with shells "Excalibur" generally shine. Lightweight, accurate and long-range, the right thing, especially when operating in mountainous conditions.
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 21 September 2013 20: 42
          +1
          In mountainous conditions, non-recoil artillery is needed.
    3. patriot64
      patriot64 21 September 2013 16: 36
      +1
      They have constant problems with Pakistan. They cannot forgive a split.
    4. edge
      edge 21 September 2013 17: 23
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      They want to compete with China ..?

      they are already in a state of sluggish conflict, the Chinas have occupied part of the state of Jammu
  5. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 21 September 2013 13: 44
    +6
    Just a gun has no analogues in weight and can be transported by helicopter. In the mountains on the border with Pakistan and China, this is exactly what Indians need.
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 21 September 2013 18: 03
      -3
      it's just that the Yankees were the only ones who thought of making titanium howitzers to reduce the weight of the gun. "hi-tech" h0.
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 21 September 2013 20: 57
        +2
        We are the only ones who make titanium nuclear submarines. We haven’t thought of it, but simply can’t. If we don’t make titanium howitzers, it’s useless.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 22 September 2013 15: 05
          +1
          We are the only ones who make titanium nuclear submarines. We haven’t thought of it, but simply can’t. If we don’t make titanium howitzers, it’s useless.

          1. We don’t do, but did, that it’s not the same thing
          2. All others cannot - the truth
          3. An argument like "yes, the grapes are green" - our military did not have the brains to formulate the requirements for such a weapon, and the industry did not have the entrepreneurial spirit on a proactive basis.
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 22 September 2013 15: 03
        0
        it's just that the Yankees were the only ones who thought of making titanium howitzers to reduce the weight of the gun. "hi-tech" h0.

        So it’s like not the Yankees, but British
    2. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 21 September 2013 18: 59
      -1
      http://topwar.ru/17839-152-millimetrovaya-buksiruemaya-gaubica-2a61-pat-b.html
  6. sergey261180
    sergey261180 21 September 2013 19: 20
    -2
    Towed howitzers are a relic of the First World War. I understand at the beginning of the 20th century they only dragged on horses, but why buy this stuff now? Now they don’t drag on horses, drag tractors. Well, what's the point? A much better self-propelled howitzer. Especially now, full-fledged fire control systems, computers, a loading mechanism and even an engine are being put on towed howitzers. In short, constructive anachranism.
    1. zennon
      zennon 21 September 2013 20: 02
      +6
      In short, constructive anachranism.

      But nothing that they throw her into the mountains by helicopter? With full ammunition and calculation. Without roads and without hassle! For some hour or even less. She weighs a little more than 3 tons. The load capacity of the SN-47 Chinook is 12 tons. This is not it, but as an illustration.
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 21 September 2013 20: 35
        +2
        Well, they threw her there so what? She can’t quickly change her position. She fired three shots and received a retaliatory strike. In the mountains you can use a mortar. And on a Mi-26 helicopter, you can transport such a howitzer, for example.
        1. zennon
          zennon 21 September 2013 20: 53
          +5
          She fired three shots and received a retaliatory strike.

          She has a firing range of 40 km. The mortars in range cannot be pulled. Moreover, the deviation when using Excalibur shells is up to 10 meters. So she first sweeps away everything that shoots. It’s difficult to hit her back in the mountains. A 20 meter platform is enough for her. But it’s unlikely to use such a howitzer without roads. And its cost is much higher.
          1. sergey261180
            sergey261180 21 September 2013 21: 10
            -4
            Well, if they already measure their ranges, then operational-tactical missiles hit the cannons away. One iskander with 300 km and hello 20 meter site!
            1. zennon
              zennon 21 September 2013 21: 21
              +3
              Quote: sergey261180
              Well, if they already measure their ranges, then operational-tactical missiles hit the cannons away. One iskander with 300 km and hello 20 meter site!

              We return with you to the dispute 50 years ago. Then they said that the cannon artillery has outlived its usefulness and are very lagging behind in this area. This is with our traditions! For 10 Khrushchev years, only 4 samples were adopted in my opinion. tactical missiles are orders of magnitude higher than cannon artillery. Thank you if we have two dozen Iskander missiles. Besides, calculating the coordinates of a howitzer based on the ballistic of a projectile fired in the mountains is a very difficult task. will protect the howitzer from shrapnel. You must hit absolutely accurately. I would see how you succeed!
              1. sergey261180
                sergey261180 21 September 2013 21: 35
                -1
                I'm not saying that the OTR should be beaten against the infantry. And I'm not saying that artillery is not needed. Structurally, it is better to make a self-propelled howitzer right away. On the position of howitzers, it is better to make an OTR or an air strike. And to calculate the coordinates of modern technology is not a problem. There are digital 3D maps, there is a "zoo", and eventually there are drones. Modern bombs hit accurately and explode over land, you can’t hide in the trench.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 21 September 2013 21: 46
                  0
                  I am not saying that it is necessary to beat OTR with infantry.

                  So I’m not saying that self-propelled artillery is not needed! Appropriateness is needed. Where it is enough to throw two or three howitzers and order. Well, as for:
                  There are digital 3D maps, there is a "zoo", and eventually there are drones.

                  it was smooth on paper! Have you not watched the tank biathlon? I highly recommend! Winners of district competitions from 1700 meters cannot hit the target of a meter and a half from the spot! Any gunner "Tiger" from 88 mm KwK-36 L / 56, from a distance 1 kilometer is guaranteed to hit the target the size of a soccer ball!
                  1. Semen Semyonitch
                    Semen Semyonitch 22 September 2013 03: 20
                    0
                    Quote: zennon
                    I am not saying that it is necessary to beat OTR with infantry.

                    So I’m not saying that self-propelled artillery is not needed! Appropriateness is needed. Where it is enough to throw two or three howitzers and order. Well, as for:
                    There are digital 3D maps, there is a "zoo", and eventually there are drones.

                    it was smooth on paper! Have you not watched the tank biathlon? I highly recommend! Winners of district competitions from 1700 meters cannot hit the target of a meter and a half from the spot! Any gunner "Tiger" from 88 mm KwK-36 L / 56, from a distance 1 kilometer is guaranteed to hit the target the size of a soccer ball!

                    ... Anyone!))) Guaranteed?))) Oh, these tales ... On the channel OBS (one woman said). If you give such information, then do not consider it difficult to indicate its source. There were 5 hits in a row at the 50/50 target (under ideal conditions), and this is not a soccer ball. Gauges 88 and 125 mean slightly different firepower. Well, the distance is also almost two times different. The comparison is not correct ...
                    1. zennon
                      zennon 22 September 2013 15: 55
                      -1
                      If you give such information, then do not consider it difficult to indicate its source.

                      Gave below. As for the soccer ball, please read there. I can also suggest: Like all commanders of units equipped with the new Tiger tank, Captain Lange had to compile numerous reports on the testing of this tank in battle. Later all the notes were analyzed in Germany. Captain Lange also commented on the operation of the 88mm cannon - the main gun mounted on the Tiger tank: “The best range of the gun is 1500 m. A well-adjusted gun always hits the target.” Other reports are similar.
                  2. DmitriRazumov
                    DmitriRazumov 22 September 2013 14: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: zennon
                    Any Tiger gunner from 88 mm KwK-36 L / 56, from a distance of 1 kilometer, is guaranteed to hit a target the size of a soccer ball!

                    Something is not clear why the Germans then merged the Kursk operation into the net? But there were quite a few PzKfWg VI.
                    1. Semen Semyonitch
                      Semen Semyonitch 22 September 2013 15: 20
                      +4
                      Quote: DmitriRazumov
                      Quote: zennon
                      Any Tiger gunner from 88 mm KwK-36 L / 56, from a distance of 1 kilometer, is guaranteed to hit a target the size of a soccer ball!

                      Something is not clear why the Germans then merged the Kursk operation into the net? But there were quite a few PzKfWg VI.

                      They hit the balls at that time ...
                    2. zennon
                      zennon 22 September 2013 15: 40
                      -1
                      Something is not clear why the Germans then merged the Kursk operation into the net? But there were quite a few PzKfWg VI.

                      What does "not a little" mean? Did you know that during the entire war from 42 to 45, the Germans on all fronts never had more than 400 PzKfWg VIs in service at the same time! Its production was at least three times more expensive than the Pz. Kpfw. IV! All the engine and transmission parts were numbered! And service? To remove the gearbox it was necessary to remove the tower. And it weighs 7 tons! Where in the southern Russian steppes in the 40s you will find a crane capable of removing the tower! In principle, they could not be a lot. Specifically: The most massively "tigers" were used during the Battle of Kursk, or, as the Germans called it, Operation Citadel. By May 12, 1943, it was planned to have 285 combat-ready "tigers" to participate in this battle, but this plan was not fulfilled, transferring only 246 vehicles to the troops, this is on all fronts, and not just near Kursk! A significant part of them was concentrated in the region of the Oryol-Kursk salient. Two heavy tank battalions (503rd and 505th) and four companies as part of motorized divisions took part in Operation Citadel. only 144 heavy Tiger tanks took part in Operation Citadel, which is only 7,6% of the total number of German tanks involved in the offensive near Kursk. They, of course, could not have a significant impact on the course of events, especially since they were applied quite sparsely. So what are you writing about?
                      leaked to clean

                      then take an interest in the amount of our losses!
                  3. svp67
                    svp67 22 September 2013 15: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: zennon
                    Any Tiger gunner from 88 mm KwK-36 L / 56, from a distance of 1 kilometer, is guaranteed to hit a target the size of a soccer ball!
                    You yourself had to shoot from a tank? Something tells me that there is NO, otherwise you would not CARE SUCH SUFFER. Shooting from a tank, especially at that time, and at a distance of 1000 meters is a rather complicated process that requires taking into account very many factors, so ...
                    1. zennon
                      zennon 22 September 2013 17: 00
                      -2
                      otherwise, you WOULD NOT CARE SUCH SUCK.

                      So what?
                      At long distances, the targets were to be hit by the salvo fire of the Tigers platoon. Sometimes the fire on unprotected targets was fired by single tanks at very long ranges. There is a known case of the destruction of a Soviet horse-drawn cannon by the "Tiger" at a distance of 5000 m. In Africa, experienced anti-aircraft gunners were involved in counter-battery combat, temporarily replacing the regular gunners of the Tiger tanks from the 501st heavy tank battalion. There is a known case of the suppression of a British battery of 26-pound guns at a distance of 7600 m.

                      Despite the limitations on the range of destruction of armored vehicles, some "hot" tank commanders ordered their gunners to fire at beyond, according to instructions, distances. In July 1944, a gunner from the Tiger's crew, commander of the 3rd company of the 506th heavy tank battalion, Hauptmann Wacker, hit a T-34 tank located at a distance of 3600 m on the other side of the front line. It was considered normal for an experienced gunner to lay one of three shells in a target (such as a tank) moving at a speed of 30 km / h in 20 s at ranges from 800 to 1200 m.

                      It is in motion!
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 23 September 2013 02: 01
                        +2
                        Well, now compare the words you said
                        Quote: zennon
                        ! Any Tiger gunner
                        с
                        Quote: zennon
                        ... In Africa, experienced anti-aircraft gunners were involved in counter-battery warfare, temporarily replacing the regular gunners of the Tiger tanks
                        и
                        Quote: zennon
                        experienced gunner

                        Do you understand the DIFFERENCE between "ANY" and "EXPERIENCED"?
                2. Uncle Serozha
                  Uncle Serozha 21 September 2013 22: 33
                  +5
                  Quote: sergey261180
                  Structurally, a self-propelled howitzer is best done immediately.

                  You colleague zennon quite reasonably explained that self-propelled and towed artillery solve different problems. You will not abandon the self-propelled helicopter, and the helicopter makes the howitzer more mobile than the tracked chassis. Your argument about a retaliatory strike is not at the box office, first of all, in the highlands, howitzers are usually used in counterguerrilla operations and the artillery strike is excluded. Secondly, the howitzer can be towed by trucks, which are still needed to deliver the ammunition.
                  Thirdly, the cost of self-propelled guns is much higher, which gives additional budgetary restrictions.
                  Self-propelled guns are also needed, but this is a completely different genre.
                  Quote: sergey261180
                  Well, if they already measure their ranges, then operational-tactical missiles hit the cannons away.

                  And the ICBM is even further. So what?
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 21 September 2013 22: 51
                    0
                    I thank Uncle Seryozha, but my colleague sergey261180 and I have already agreed. With your thesis. There is a 2A65 Msta-B on a carriage. And there is a self-propelled gun 2S19 Msta-S.
                    1. cdrt
                      cdrt 22 September 2013 15: 12
                      +1
                      Msta-B is almost 2 times heavier than the M777. And God forbid the dimensions during transportation.
                      So for airmobile and mountain parts it is absolutely not suitable, unlike ...
                      Accordingly, the conclusion is simple.
                      Airmobile, mountain units with M777 in terms of range and accuracy of artillery will surpass units from Nona-S / K / M1, D-30, Pat-B / S
                      1. zennon
                        zennon 22 September 2013 16: 00
                        0
                        Quote: cdrt
                        Msta-B is almost 2 times heavier than the M777. And God forbid the dimensions during transportation.
                        So for airmobile and mountain parts it is absolutely not suitable, unlike ...
                        Accordingly, the conclusion is simple.
                        Airmobile, mountain units with M777 in terms of range and accuracy of artillery will surpass units from Nona-S / K / M1, D-30, Pat-B / S

                        That's right. I can subscribe. hi good drinks
                      2. Patriot.ru.
                        Patriot.ru. 22 September 2013 21: 32
                        0
                        A gun on the highest mountain does not mean an advantage. And the question is which barrel is better titanium or Kruppovsky.
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  7. Patriot.ru.
    Patriot.ru. 21 September 2013 21: 02
    -1
    These are the "Chinooks" our MI-26 and Afghan pull out. Together with a little fluff.
  • zennon
    zennon 21 September 2013 21: 12
    +1
    Quote: Patriot.ru.
    These are the "Chinooks" our MI-26 and Afghan pull out. Together with a little fluff.

    I agree. But now the question is not so worth it. We do not measure the carrying capacity of "turntables". The point is expediency. "Chinook" is enough. Moreover, the Mowgli refused to buy "Mi-26".
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 21 September 2013 21: 59
      +1
      Mowgli is Mowgli. And heavy helicopters are needed. Here we are the first.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 22 September 2013 15: 09
        0
        And heavy helicopters are needed. Here we are the first.

        It is clear that the complexes do not allow us to recognize the advantages of the Yankees in artillery for light units, but helicopters are completely off topic here.
        Howitzer article ...
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  • zennon
    zennon 21 September 2013 22: 16
    +1
    Quote: Patriot.ru.
    Mowgli is Mowgli. And heavy helicopters are needed. Here we are the first.

    And I'm sorry. But here's an article for you:
    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/12/05/mi26t2/

    The Indian Air Force has chosen Boeing as the supplier of 15 heavy transport helicopters CH-47F Chinook. As reported on Wednesday, December 5, on the website of the Ministry of Defense of India, negotiations are underway with the American company on the terms of the supply contract.

    Thus, India confirmed the defeat in the tender for the supply of transport helicopters of the Russian Mi-26T2.
  • 7ydmco
    7ydmco 21 September 2013 23: 07
    +4
    Quote: zennon
    Any Tiger gunner from 88 mm KwK-36 L / 56, from a distance of 1 kilometer, is guaranteed to hit a target the size of a soccer ball!


    Do not share a link to this?
    1. zennon
      zennon 21 September 2013 23: 20
      0
      Do not share a link to this?

      Unfortunately, no. I heard it on the Discovery history channel about 10 years ago. They then had a very informative cycle about tank battles with a detailed story about the performance characteristics of tanks. Unfortunately, I didn’t hear the best transmission later. They told me amazingly much and in detail! However, about 7 years back to the tank museum in Kubinka I told the guide about this transfer and he stood at PzKpfw VI “Tiger” and fully confirmed this info. Unfortunately, I can’t bring anything documented.requestHowever, look here:
      http://tanki-tiger.narod.ru/voorugenie.html
  • gameover65
    gameover65 22 September 2013 07: 11
    +2
    Any Tiger gunner from 88 mm KwK-36 L / 56, from a distance of 1 kilometer, is guaranteed to hit a target the size of a soccer ball!


    ordinary Germanophilic tales that are dispelled, if at least a little thought about it.
    there is no time to disassemble, something that has already been disassembled more than once, but in order to get from a kilometer to a target the size of a soccer ball, it was necessary to notice it from that kilometer. and the Discovery channel is just the very resource that you should believe lol
  • put
    put 22 September 2013 19: 43
    +1
    Good car. Only any piece of iron is very much. What will happen to this colossus when a splinter flies into it?
  • zennon
    zennon 22 September 2013 22: 43
    0
    Quote: Patriot.ru.
    A gun on the highest mountain does not mean an advantage. And the question is which barrel is better titanium or Kruppovsky.

    Which means better? Titanium has high corrosion resistance due to the ability of titanium to form thin (5-15 microns) continuous TiO2 oxide films firmly bonded to the metal mass. In this case, the specific strength (strength to density ratio) of the best titanium alloys reaches 30-35 or more, which is almost twice the specific strength of alloyed steels! Titanium has a low density (4500 kg / m³), ​​which leads to a decrease in the mass of the product. True titanium is much more expensive and worse machining In addition, it can only be melted in an inert gas environment or in a vacuum. This all determines the high cost of the product ...