North Korean warship bombarded a Russian schooner

In the Sea of ​​Japan, a DPRK warship fired on a Russian fishing schooner. This is reported by ITAR-TASS with reference to the Federal Agency for Fisheries (Rosrybolovstvo). As a result of the incident there are no injuries, the ship has no damage.

"In 18: 30 (Moscow time) September 20, a Russian fishing schooner" Altai ", following from the port of Zarubino with a cargo of live crab on board in the port of Donghe (Republic of Korea), was shot at in neutral waters of the Sea of ​​Japan weapons and signal rockets from the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea warship, "the Federal Agency of Fishery said.

The North Korean warship did not contact. Immediately after the shelling, "Altai" went into a drift, and armed men landed on its board from the DPRK warship. They inspected the schooner and questioned the captain. In 18: 50, the military left the ship, allowing it to proceed as intended.

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[GreatRussia]

"At 18:30 (Moscow time) on September 20, the Russian fishing schooner Altai, traveling from the port of Zarubino with a cargo of live crab on board to the port of Donghae (Republic of Korea), in the neutral waters of the Sea of ​​Japan was fired upon with automatic weapons and signal rockets by the military by the ship of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea ",

What do you mean fired?
Probably there were warning shots, a requirement to stop the ship?

Immediately after the shelling, the Altai drifted, and armed men from the DPRK warship landed on board. They searched the schooner and interviewed the captain. At 18:50, the military left the ship, allowing it to follow its destination.

Those. made sure that this is not a South Korean ship, within a few minutes released in peace?

[novobranets]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

And why the hell to do it in neutral waters

More precisely, on what basis?

[Deniska999]

Koreans U.O.dy.

[Army1]

http://www.forbes.ru/news/245038-pogranichniki-oprovergli-soobshcheniya-o-zaderz
hke-kndr-rossiiskoi-shkhuny-altai
Disproved already

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

In the mud mud ... cove !!! I hate bl ... North Koreans, stupid monkeys.

Why so?
Normal people there, most of them simple hard workers.
Another thing is leadership ...

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Why so?
Normal people there, most of them simple hard workers.
Another thing is leadership ...

"Every nation has a government that then has it."
Fanatics they are bloody that's all. They created a pitiful parody of the USSR, and now looking at these ur ... dov the whole world thinks that the union was the same "hell and Israel" and composes all sorts of libels about us. I am personally amazed by the peculiarity of these people themselves who live up to their ears in gamna and want everyone else to live the same way. That Muslims have any Pakistani or Egyptian (intentionally with a small letter), that North Korea and other Lumpen countries.

[alicante11]

They created a pitiful parody of the USSR, and now looking at these ur ... dov the whole world thinks that the union was the same "hell and Israel" and composes all sorts of libels about us.

Yes, they must be respected because, living in such a hell, they do not sell their ideals for chewing gum and Coca-Cola, like us sinners.

[oazis]

Quote: alicante11

Yes, they must be respected because, living in such a hell, they do not sell their ideals for chewing gum and Coca-Cola, like us sinners.

+++ That's right!

[RUSS]

Oaziss, tell me honestly, would you like to live in the DPRK?
Or do you want the same form of government and power as theirs? Or maybe you want to send your children to Korea to study?

[tomket]

By the way, in terms of sending to study, I would have thought, in any case, would have been sure that the offspring would study, and not get drunk and get smoky with fellow students gouging.

[alicante11]

RUSS

If possible, I will answer you a question. I would like to live in the USSR. But North Korea or Cuba is an indicator that the USSR was not doomed, as the liberals insist. If it weren’t for sanctions, if they had the same resources as we, then for a long time both Kim and Fidel would build communism with the most human face.

[Warrawar]

Quote: alicante11

Yes, they must be respected because, living in such a hell, they do not sell their ideals for chewing gum and Coca-Cola, like us sinners.

Of course they don’t sell, because they live in a concentration camp. And when the curtain falls, they will go into all seriousness and more than make up for lost time, as is usually the case in such cases.

[alicante11]

Without their participation, the curtain will not fall.

[bombowoz]

Only for all it is not necessary to speak.

[alicante11]

Only for all it is not necessary to speak.

In the sense of? Or are you against the fact that the people are guilty of the fall of the USSR along with Gorbi and other traitors from the highest echelons of power?
Yes, if the people did not go to work these days and shouted that it was not serials on TV, but "Swan Lake is being played", but would come and pile the freaks at the White House. The USSR would be alive and well.

[almost demobil]

Quote: alicante11

they do not sell their ideals for chewing gum and Coca-Cola, as we sinners do.

And what kind of ideals are those that you sold (in your opinion) and we did not bother with these fanatics?

[alicante11]

Ideals of a just socialist society. Which we exchanged for the capitalist "man to man wolf".

[military]

Quote: alicante11

Ideals of a just socialist society. Which we exchanged for the capitalist "man to man wolf".

we exchanged them for "stability" and "a special path of development" ...

[alicante11]

Stable gradual impoverishment of the population in favor of the oligarchs and effective managers.

[RUSS]

Better cola with chewing gum than broth on grass, know how many children died of starvation in North Korea in the 90s?
What ideals do Koreans starve for?

[alicante11]

And how many children died in Leningrad during the blockade? The country is under blockade. But, I think, that no more than died of hunger and disease, got into gang violence, perished in terrorist attacks, killed in taking away homes from parents, killed in general abortions, slaughtered by their drunken parents and "stepfathers", "stepmothers", raped and killed in "orphanages", taken to organs and brothels in "countries of developed democracy." This is all that perestroika and the 90s "gave" us. And it is for such ideals that this does not happen, the Koreans are starving.

[Aljavad]

Taki sell. The South is full of defectors. Nobody needs them there - they cannot integrate, they replenish the ranks of social dependents and prostitutes. But the ranks of defectors are expanding, for in the North - as we had in the Gulag.

[alicante11]

Well, in our ROA, too, there were enough freaks. But this does not mean that the Russian people sold their homeland in 41.

[yuri p]

"The peculiarity of these little people themselves living up to their ears in gamne" ..... in my opinion you yourself are up to their ears in this shit, it oozes even from your words.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

yurii p RU  Yesterday, 11:30 ↑


"The peculiarity of these little people themselves living up to their ears in gamne" ..... in my opinion you yourself are up to their ears in this shit, it oozes even from your words.

Can you tell in your face or in your panties a body?

[alicante11]

They always beat for the truth?

[almost demobil]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

Fanatics they're damn that's all

Alexey, I fully support you. The opinion is the most correct in relation to these fanatics. You can live quietly, wave flags, lift your legs in stupid parades of prehistoric technology ... But at the same time, threatening the whole world with an unfinished nuclear club is too much. They are completely crazy, biting the hand that feeds, well, or fed, worse than a mad dog.
To those who are minus, I want to ask, well, what other evidence do you need about the insanity of this piece of a normal country?

[alicante11]

Before asking, you read something on the topic. There is already a refutation on the refutation. Once the USSR helped the DPRK. But now we are such an enemy capitalist for them, like amers. Because we are no longer the Stalinist USSR, but we are the capitalist and oligarchic RF.

[RUSS]

North Korea is not even a parody of the USSR, it is a parody of a feudal theocratic state from the Middle Ages.

[tomket]

It must be admitted that the poor leadership of North Korea is partly to blame for the leadership of the USSR, which did not want to take advantage of the last conquest of Stalin. What prevented, for example, building a Socialist Japan from North Korea? the more an example was what is called visual and at hand. In general, it is sad when it turns out after the fact that if it were not for Khrushchev with his revealing speech, we would have a bloc that hardly anyone could oppose.

[alicante11]

I remember that a few years ago they wrote the same thing about the USSR itself. And now, in addition to notorious liberals and oligarchs with effective top managers, they either shout about what they "want in the USSR", or they are silent, but also about the same.

[Akim]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

In the mud mud ... cove !!!

Alexei, how do you feel about the shelling of the Greenpeace vessel, which was grazed near the Gazprom rig in the northern latitudes?

[novobranets]

Quote: Akim

Alexey, how do you feel about shelling a Greenpeace ship

Sorry to interfere. I don’t know how Alexey is, but I approve.

[Akim]

Quote: novobranets

I don’t know how Alexey is, but I approve.

I do not say anything neither for nor against. Russia defended its economic interests. Or did North Korea do the same? Each side has its own presentation of truth.

[novobranets]

If the article is to be believed, the Russian schooner was fired upon without warning in neutral waters. Even if they shot "on course", this is at least rudeness.

[Akim]

Quote: novobranets

If you believe the article

It is most important. The fact is that speaking several languages, you can learn several versions of one story. Therefore, I say, do not immediately rush loud offensive insults to the second side.

[pahom54]

The question is not WHO FIRED THE RUSSIAN BOAT ... The question is HOW DARE THEY DONE ... I would like Russia to suddenly stand behind each such act with its powerful defense and diplomatic potential, so that NO ONE would arise desire to shoot in the direction of the Russian flag. And who shot there - North Korea or the Yankees - doesn’t care.

[alicante11]

Nobody fired. This duck.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Akim

. Or did North Korea do the same? Each side has its own presentation of truth.

Where, in neutral waters?

[novobranets]

in the neutral waters of the Sea of ​​Japan was fired upon with automatic weapons and signal rockets by a warship of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, ”the Federal Agency for Fishery said.

Such behavior is fraught ...

[Akim]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Where, in neutral waters?

This is the eternal excuse of the offender. Japanese fishermen constantly complain that Soviet / Russian vessels attack them in neutral waters.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Akim

Japanese fishermen constantly complain that Soviet / Russian vessels attack them in neutral waters.

They do not recognize the Kuril Islands for us, and therefore they say so. Now, when there are navigators, such excuses do not channel.

[Old skeptic]

Or rather your property.

[avt]

Quote: Akim

I do not say anything neither for nor against. Russia defended its economic interests. Or did North Korea do the same? Each side has its own presentation of truth.

And here the article is somehow incomplete, well, in neutral waters. And which ones? 3 miles or 12? And maybe in the "economic zone"? Again, where did they shoot? Well, everything is clear with Greenpeace, it’s okay, so the kids were ordered to screw up. And here it’s not clear yet. Again, at least a photo of the schooner would be posted, maybe some kind of “confiscated" imported under what flag did you fly? So there could be a completely legitimate interest, which we often have and ours do not stand on ceremony, which is right.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

I do not say anything neither for nor against. Russia defended its economic interests. Or did North Korea do the same? Each side has its own presentation of truth.

In neutral waters? Nude nude ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Akim

But how do you feel about the shelling of the Greenpeace vessel, which was grazed near the Gazprom rig in the northern latitudes?

Firstly, in our waters, secondly, the Greenpeace gathered to storm the platform, and thirdly, the assumption that they didn’t sink it.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Alexei, how do you feel about the shelling of the Greenpeace vessel, which was grazed near the Gazprom rig in the northern latitudes?

It approached our property, if I am not mistaken, it entered into our waters UNLAWFUL. Those amers would fuck them already drowned. And yes, they are not ecologists, and the prosecutor’s deal with these suckers. Especially environmentalists are whores working for those who pay more. Because where do they go when the same Norwegians poison OUR territory and are still considered such environmentalists.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Akim

how do you feel about shelling a Greenpeace ship,

Extremely positive. The vessel was in the zone declared prohibited. This is a zone within a radius of 3 miles or km centered on the platform itself. All captains of ships know about this ban. The zone is guarded and the entrance to it is fraught with consequences.

[Ruslan_F38]

The North Korean border guards did the right thing, in the conditions of the hard pressure in which they live, you can expect any kind of provocation. However, having learned that this is a ship of a friendly country - they released it, I do not think that they would have done the same with the courts of other countries. And with Greenpeace, it’s a completely different matter, they knew where and why they were going, they knew about the prohibitions, it was a clear provocation. By the way, Greenpeace does not touch American platforms, does not interfere with the production of shale gas and other resources - why would such indulgences for amers? Apparently greenpeace is another project by the CIA, the NSA or the State Department.

[yuri p]

"Apparently greenpeace is another project of the CIA, the ANB or the State Department." .... and who doubts.

[Mikado]

The vessel (icebreaker) was not there, it approached this zone, but did not enter it. They lowered the two boats that had already entered, approached and dropped off their climbers. By the way, for me it’s such a very strange action of the border guards, this vessel is already known for such actions off our coast, that is, its mouth should have been right after entering our economic zone, and even more so when it approached the tower, the boats had to intercept at a time , even before the climbers. And then they calmly approached, calmly lowered, calmly drove up, calmly climbed.

[Airman]

Quote: Mikado

The vessel (icebreaker) was not there, it approached this zone, but did not enter it. They lowered the two boats that had already entered, approached and dropped off their climbers. By the way, for me it’s such a very strange action of the border guards, this vessel is already known for such actions off our coast, that is, its mouth should have been right after entering our economic zone, and even more so when it approached the tower, the boats had to intercept at a time , even before the climbers. And then they calmly approached, calmly lowered, calmly drove up, calmly climbed.

We have no FSB, only tolerance remains. The Japanese can catch EVERYTHING in our territorial waters, "ours" can swim anywhere with crabs, the Greenpeace people can do whatever they want if they are banned from entering.

[ultra]

Quote: Akim

which grazed near the Gazprom drill

This is the difference in situations! They not only grazed, but also tried to land on the platform, and this is a direct threat to security!

[nemec55]

While I eat crab sticks and they carry the crab to the port of Donghae (Republic of Korea), let them even stoke Russians there, there are only hucksters without a homeland without a flag.

[Edward72]

Yes, eat the so-called crab sticks, support the chemical industry. And fishermen do not drag a catch from the good life by the cordon.

[novobranets]

Quote: nemec55

There are no Russians there, there are only hucksters without a homeland without a flag.

On the schooner was a RUSSIAN flag.

[ivshubarin]

In the seas go without a flag

[Dober]

Quote: ivshubarin

In the seas go without a flag

Looking where ...
If necessary, then yes.
A flag must be present on board! From sunrise to sunset! Whether it’s a merchant ship or a military one.
The lack of a flag is already a suspicion that the ship's crew is hiding something. At least goals ...

[ivshubarin]

Responsibilities still need to be fulfilled, but with us as always. The flag is raised only when entering foreign territorial waters.

[Dober]

Well, and here "water" if the charter spelled out the duties of descent / ascent.
So I say - the usual sloppiness.
In the morning in the news. In fact, there were four questions to the Russian sailors.
1. What course.
2. With what cargo.
3.How many people
4. What (whose) flag.

Himself a couple of times fell into the Baltic Sea under the inspection of Russian border guards. No excesses.
At first they were lit by a searchlight. Then they crossed the course in front of the nose (in the distance). We approached the board. Submachine gunners stood on the guard tank. Our cap came out with documents. I talked with the officer. He leafed through the paper, opened it and climbed through the rail to his aboard. All.

Then the cap said that the officer immediately apologized and whispered that it was like training for the team. Everything is within the rules and polite relations. Everyone understood everything without problems ...

[novobranets]

It was necessary for the Koreans to live and evil crabs in their pants.

[Airman]

Quote: Edward72

And fishermen do not drag a catch from the good life by the cordon.

They just want a better life and, selling the crab over the hill, rob you and me. I do not believe that the ship was detained just like that, it means they were in territorial waters. How tired of this impunity, when biological resources, oil, gas "float" abroad, and only a few profit from this "people's good", and the people suck their paws.

[labendik]

Moreover, the Chinese chem. industry.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: nemec55

While I eat crab sticks and they carry the crab to the port of Donghe

Why bring a crab to South Korea when Japan is near? And no one will catch a crab there, there are a lot of border guards. Some kind of crap, not infa, I won’t be surprised that there will be a refutation on the vessel itself. If you don’t want to eat crab sticks, go to the store and buy real crab.

Quote: nemec55

, yes, even if there is no Russian stomping, there are only hucksters without a homeland without a flag.

Hucksters are the owners, on the ships themselves are simple men who want to earn money.

[SmacXnumx]

Sorry brother, in the Urals the salary does not allow you to buy crabs, and indeed they are not on sale.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Smac111

in the Urals, the salary does not allow you to buy crabs, and indeed they are not for sale.

Ну

[bddrus]

sort of like that, but Serdyukov also wanted to make money - whoever guards what he has

[nemec55]

I in my komenta wanted to touch on the problem associated with the import of fish to Russia whose inhabitants have access to the seas and oceans and are guzzling, sorry for the expression any hell

[alicante11]

Here I am, too, as you thought. The North Koreans need to pay extra so that these "schooners" are drowned, and the catch is handed over to us.
Hard workers, of course, there are hard workers. But if they did not work for these "hucksters", then our biological resources would not go over the hill. It is enough that the Japanese and Chinese rob our seas, so that ours also help.

[Mikado]

I’m surprised, but in coastal cities, fish is more expensive than in the depths of Russia.

[labendik]

Holy naivety.

[alicante11]

The day is clear that naivety. But as I would like ...

[AlexxNik]

Quote: nemec55

they carry a crab to donghe port

I worked at Altai that year, I didn’t arrange my salary and wrote off, I’ll say that no one in Russia will buy wholesale 40 kg of live snow crab at $ 000 per kg, and if they buy foolishly, they will not sell it, not ours this is a product, half of it will rest in vats in a week. In stores, the crab is 20r. scary and weathered because they don't take it. They carry fish over the hill, because there are much higher prices and much less sovereign servants, who were allowed to free bread and in a fit of enthusiasm they dispersed the entire fleet from our berths. in general, a lot can be written, I will say that it was thought that in Russia there would be less foolishness in ports than in the USSR, but it has become an order of magnitude more. But the fact that in general it became possible to legally catch a live crab is already a great achievement, about 1000 years ago it was only handed over as a leftist
ps. a schooner of Japanese construction, therefore, probably, they showed attention, the flag was the last time Russian, but maybe they don’t have binoculars

[alicante11]

You have outdated information. A kilogram of crab costs from 1500 to 2400, or rather, it cost last year, I always buy a package of langeta on NG. Moreover, last year I was in Petropavlovsk, where the same langet is cheaper by 200-500 rubles. I didn’t even take it. There was no sense. True, they say that in the vicinity you can buy at 500 rubles a kilo. But I do not know Kamchatka so well, and there was no time.
Based on this, we can say that the question is not in the cost of production, but in how much it is sold for. And the prices are such, because there is a small offer. If crabs were offered at least as much as chum salmon, its value could well have fallen to the same 500 rubles.

[AlexxNik]

Quote: alicante11

that the question is not the cost of production, but how much they sell it

the question is not how much they sell, but is the infrastructure ready, refrigerated pools, trucks with vats with sea water again cold water, mass marketing, etc. I wrote that a living shear crab dies under the most technically possible conditions within two weeks 100%. how many such crab can you shove in our taverns? the population doesn’t even buy boiled-ice cream for 1yr. Unless, of course, put ashore for processing, cutting, and again selling, then Korea still offers more in terms of price and volume

[alicante11]

Uh, it’s not true, if they sold rubles on 500, they would have taken for a sweet soul. Forgive me, but if the meat is frozen already under 300 rubles, and the same Petropavlovsk and under 400 was, and they take. And what does a live crab have to do with it? Do we need to recycle, or can we only be sold alive over a hill can we?

[vladsolo56]

But the schooner was flying under what flag; today it’s not fashionable to fly under the Russian flag, most prefer any other to disguise.

[Dober]

Quote: vladsolo56

prefer any other, to disguise.

Not at all necessary. The flag is not only a tribute to traditions, but also an element of belonging to the STATE.
If a Russian trawler (Or a super tanker of 60-80 thousand ) tons rushing under the flag of the Fiji Islands is a shame on the economic policy of a country whose citizens are crewed.
Although there are Maritime international laws regarding flags, there are also registration numbers and other electronic identifiers on ships.
The Kims could not "read" them, due to the lack of equipment, but the flag and the number were OBLIGED to see. This is if any were present. And if not, then the Russian sailors can be congratulated on "emptying their bowels" and replenishing some stock of "gray matter" in the commanders' heads.
Now it is unlikely that you can prove anything about the violation of the charters by the Russians, but the kim did not act to please their ambitions, but from the general background of relations with them around the world. Well done! Thank God everything worked out.

[andrei332809]

wanted to wrap up? strange occurrence. maybe hunger-free crabs at least free to eat?

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

wanted to wrap up? strange occurrence. maybe hunger-free crabs at least free to eat?

And by yourself to catch, well, no matter how, is it necessary to rob Nada? Or are they only capable of praying to their worthless leaders?

[alicante11]

Do they have crabs off the coast? There they already devoured everything that moved. Probably, fish are already at the level of genetics approaching the Korean coast is scary. Or to climb into our waters too?

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Do they have crabs off the coast? There they already devoured everything that moved. Probably, fish are already at the level of genetics approaching the Korean coast is scary. Or to climb into our waters too?

These are their problems, and we are not building ours to restore the population of the species plants for their restoration and are constructing quotas for fishing so that we do not catch them thoughtlessly.

[alicante11]

It’s interesting, where are such plants being built? May I have references? Moreover, it is desirable for the factories built at the present time.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

It’s interesting, where are such plants being built? May I have references? Moreover, it is desirable for the factories built at the present time.

On "done with us" infa constantly passes through them, so look there.

[alicante11]

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/18383/

That's all that I found there in the search for "crabs".

About when the plant was built is not said. And the first "release" of crabs was only that year.

[major071]

Played North Koreans in war. It's time to use a rubber bomb, let it jump.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: major071

It's time to use a rubber bomb, let it jump.

Well, how does it bounce back and start to jump in the Far East?

[Revolver]

Finally, the North Koreans sprouted

[alicante11]

Well, yes, the amers are not as "greedy" as the North Koreans.

[Alikovo]

the schooner was without a flag.

[novobranets]

How is this possible in neutral waters without a flag?

[Captain Vrungel]

You paid attention for a while. 18.30 Moscow. Deep night. The flag is flown from 08.00 local (ship) to sunset.
There are many reasons for stopping the vessel. Banal. The watch officer did not know English well and did not get in touch in VHF mode. So the Koreans used flares and warning fire. In addition to neutral waters, there is an economic zone (200 miles in Russia). Or AIS was turned off and the Korean did not have information about the vessel, the details of the vessel, the distance traveled and "from where", "where". With the AIS turned off, there are only pirates, poachers and warriors in the sea.

[ivshubarin]

I went to the seas on a "fisherman", when leaving the port, the flag was always removed, the wind quickly turns it into rags

[Dober]

Quote: ivshubarin

when leaving the port, the flag was always taken off, the wind quickly turns it into torn

Himself in the port every day and in the past worked on ships. And the captain drives the watchman into the brain (as "Vrungel" wrote above) about raising and lowering the flag at sunset. Or is it a cant ...
But there remains an elementary register number on the add-in. It is unique, and any vessel admitted to access to the sea has it.
Could not see this at dusk, but there is a walkie-talkie !!!

Turbidly, everything is shorter ... It remains to read and forget - the usual intendant, but not an emergency.
He is not mistaken, who does nothing. In this case, who does not depart from the pier in the port.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

They did everything right, they protect the borders .. (and it doesn’t matter which flag and which citizenship) And we need to do this!

[Valery Neonov]

"in the neutral waters of the Sea of ​​Japan"- so they didn’t guard them ... but carried out pirate actions against a Russian ship!

[SmacXnumx]

They blurted out their weapons, carried out an unlawful search, and with a sense of accomplishment and a mine of petty dirty tricks washed off.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: MIKHAN

All right did protect the borders ..

What is right, the schooner was in neutral waters. What is right ??????????

[Apologet insane]

North Koreans are such North Koreans. My dad, being the captain of a schooner, once stood in the DPRK for repairs - there, in a military dock, the owner of the schooner was offered a cheap price at all. So there the local border guards brave went to him in Tetris to play on a computer, in return they got fresh vegetables and food from a Chinese enclave nearby, which housed a Chinese casino. In the DPRK, a Chinese casino, ahaha. There was electricity in the district only in the casino and on my father’s ship. Even the guards on the towers did not work. In short, North Korea is a madhouse, so it’s not surprising that they do all sorts of nonsense.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: MIKHAN

All right did protect the borders ..

What is right, the schooner was in neutral waters. What is right ??????????

Maybe it was .. the question is where! (crabs)? I'm sure more than one poacher will not appear there in the near future (unlike our territorial waters. I’m what they all catch with impunity .. and insolently If our border guards acted this way (without staring at flags and citizenship)) maybe our population did not eat "crab sticks" of real crabs (I have never tried (((

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: MIKHAN

Maybe it was .. the question is where! (crabs)?

In short, you yourself don’t know anything, but it gives you the opportunity to write that everything is correct, hmm.

Quote: MIKHAN

I am sure that not one poacher in the near future will not appear close (unlike our territorial waters.

There is more than one poacher, and so does not appear, there are too many chances to get fried.

Quote: MIKHAN

If our border guards acted like this (without staring at flags and citizenship)

Ours still operate, but not in neutral waters

[amber-50]

The ship sailed from the port of Zarubino, respectively, it was formalized by all the necessary authorities i.e. the authorities, firefighters, port service, customs and border guards. It is not the first time that a ship has been sailing along this route and thinking that the navigator has been turned off somewhere, it’s just naive. English navigator has nothing to do on the ship. The flag always hangs. The ship is not a poacher and works quite legally. While living in Nakhodka we also do not often buy them because of the fucking price. And by the way, in the West, the price of fish is often lower than ours .

[andrei332809]

Quote: MIKHAN

(I have never tried alas (((

don’t take too long; crayfish are much tastier. remembered the case. during the flight, he put a crab trap near the pier. At the end of the flight he took out a huge crab. prapapav in the town, gathered the company for a beer with crab. put a bucket on the stove, wait for the water to boil. boiled, eaten-eaten crab stuffed into a bucket. the water boils re-already with the crab. two minutes later we speak to the owner of this animal, it’s time to pull it out. he nam-a big crab, we need to cook longer. and kept it in boiling water for half an hour. we wanted to beat this fly a little, not hard, so, for educational purposes. the tire rubber was probably softer than the meat of this overcooked crab. I had to take vodka and eat bacon

[mak210]

And we, thanks to Taburetkin, have no navy left at all? No respect for the flag, in the end we lost fear. Or do they not tell us something? A. Extreme - not an easy guy, the law on recreational fishing was pushed through, which they needed, despite the rallies and "nationwide" discussion, I have already come across a rented reservoir, though not yet driven, but it is profitable. "And Vaska listens, but eats."

in the Urals, salary does not allow you to buy crabs, and there are none for sale

I live in Moscow, but you can buy crabs in a dozen chain stores, when I tried I can’t remember, but more than 20 years ago, for sure. And crabs are mined not only on Sakhalin, but also in the North Seas they multiplied, only for some reason they gave it to the Norwegians. Tucking together like shagreen leather, but don't need to give anything to Guinea-Bessau? And then they will throw poisoned boomerangs. Very scary.

[donavi49]

Well, under Taburetkin, they didn’t write anything off. The Pacific Fleet, on the contrary, is now a model of combat readiness from the month of June actually in constant exercises:
Maritime Commonwealth with the PLA.
Sudden BG Check
Exercises in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk
Campaign of the Varangian to the Gulf of Aden
Large-scale exercises in Kamchatka with live firing of 949A, destroyer Bystry, Redut and Boundary complex. Also, the first large landing was landed in the bay of Providence. More than 20 Pacific Fleet surface ships are involved in the exercises.


However, how does this relate to the shelling of a schooner by the DPRK border guards? Our border guards also shell Japanese / Koreans.

[Airman]

Quote: donavi49

Well, under Taburetkin, they didn’t write anything off. The Pacific Fleet, on the contrary, is now a model of combat readiness from the month of June actually in constant exercises:
Maritime Commonwealth with the PLA.
Sudden BG Check
Exercises in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk
Campaign of the Varangian to the Gulf of Aden
Large-scale exercises in Kamchatka with live firing of 949A, destroyer Bystry, Redut and Boundary complex. Also, the first large landing was landed in the bay of Providence. More than 20 Pacific Fleet surface ships are involved in the exercises.


However, how does this relate to the shelling of a schooner by the DPRK border guards? Our border guards also shell Japanese / Koreans.

What are your, zhovo - blakitnye?

[DPN]

Quote: mak210

do not finish talking? A. Extreme - not an easy guy, the law on recreational fishing was pushed through, which they needed, despite the rallies and "nationwide" discussion, I have already come across a rented reservoir, though not yet driven, but it is profitable. "And Vaska listens, but eats."

Everything is working correctly. The authorities work for the capitalists of Russia. In summer, try to approach the normal shore of the reservoir. They will not let private territory go. You can swim in this either in the city in fuel oil or in the hell on small fishes.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And I think this infa (preparation of public opinion ..) In Syria, it didn’t work .. Now they will take up the DPRK again (there is a rumor that nuclear weapons have already been created) China and Russia are nearby .. The Japanese are arming. That's the whole point of this information .. I’ll think next as in the Syrian issue .. Zhdems!

[Edward72]

They are unlikely to take it. Firstly, they have nuclear weapons and secondly, they are like a monkey with a grenade, God knows where to throw it.

[mak210]

Alexei, how do you feel about the shelling of the Greenpeace vessel, which was grazed near the Gazprom rig in the northern latitudes?

Have you read the charter of the guard service for a long time? They did everything on it, they just didn’t shoot for defeat. They do not argue with the guard, this is not a kindergarten, but a guarded object.

[Gur]

Koreans or fear lost or beguiled or do not want their reactor to start

[Irtysh]

Did the poachers get everyone?

It seems to me that they are rightly doing that these greedy people are not allowed to relax. The poacher must clearly know his place.

[Airman]

Quote: Irtysh

Did the poachers get everyone?

It seems to me that they are rightly doing that these greedy people are not allowed to relax. The poacher must clearly know his place.

It’s a pity that the crab’s catch was not confiscated, not a single dog would have snooped there.

[essenger]

Bomb them

[pensioner]

This is complete ... on their part. The cattle are ungrateful.

[My address]

Yur, as you put it mildly.
I do not know. Or decided to five comments on non-political correctness limit? Marshal - five stars, and therefore comments d.b. only five?

[Agent 008]

Insolent Kim Jong-un, shoots people in batches, but doesn’t put us in X ...!

[serpimolot]

What should I call it? Almost robbery, I must answer
accordingly, the ship still belongs
Great power and so simply they should not get off

[DPN]

Surely the poachers were slowed down, the Koreans would not have paid attention to the Russian ship, I think they were still friendly from Soviet times. Crabs, on the other hand, should be delivered to the Russians, something that they did not see in stores. So there are different fishermen. Or they forgot when the British wrapped Russian ships under someone else's flag, with cargo for Syria.

[sashka]

It seems to be a common thing. Poachers, like bandits, do not have a nationality. Koreans are right .. The word Russian does not add pride .. We do exactly the same. What is the problem ?

[Apologet insane]

Why would this Rosrybolovstvo worry about poachers, huh? When poachers go on a flight, they do not inform anyone. And, by the way, they are based there in North Korea, because all the same, if only dollars were paid.

[labendik]

Nobody is afraid of us nichrome.

[yuri p]

why should they be afraid? Are we like these scarecrow amers?

[Dober]

Quote: labendik

Nobody is afraid of us nichrome.

Yeah, well ...
This is not an order. Do you want me to be afraid "labendik"ov?
If it's a little bit "you" to console?

[sashka]

Quote: novobranets

More precisely, on what basis?

Based on the Poaching Law .. We also "shoot" .. I see no problem.

[Oskar]

It will be interesting from the side of the Russian Foreign Ministry?

[Dober]

Quote: Oskar

It will be interesting from the side of the Russian Foreign Ministry?

And if it does, then why. Who needs this note?
What if it turns out that the Russian fishermen were wrong (the comments have already explained everything above)?
It happened, and it happened ... Org. I think the participants have already made conclusions.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And yet this shelling and detention of our schooner (our flag was like) was not casual, obviously .. Maybe the DPRK decided to run over to Russia now .. ?? Their Eun decided to play on the contradictions of the four major states .. Revived himself a kind of cunning and elusive Joe ..? Gadaffi also maneuvered like that (but there was oil there ..) ..

[alicante11]

Yes, "Eun" cannot want anything. What they say in Beijing, they will do in Pyongyang. And the Chinese don't need troubles with us now.

[Double major]

It's time to equip our schooners with "Grads" ... So that there was something to answer ...

[tennis]

North Koreans did everything right, and it is necessary. The states that they want to do this and everyone applauded with great reverence. North Korea does not even know where to spit; right there, howls rise to the whole world. And these figures climbing on other people's platforms in general should be sent to the bottom, feed the crabs.

[Alekseir162]

Quote: GreatRussia

Normal people there, most of them simple hard workers.
Another thing is leadership ...

I can confirm that they are absolutely normal, sincere people (we thumped when we worked on the construction of their embassy), and their bosses were completely shell-shocked, that’s for sure, all commissars. Here you really need to separate the flies from the cutlets.

[pensioner]

Quote: Alekseir162

I can confirm that they are absolutely normal, sincere people (we thumped when we worked on the construction of their embassy), and their bosses were completely shell-shocked, that’s for sure, all commissars. Here you really need to separate the flies from the cutlets.

Also encountered them in 90-92g. in Novokuznetsk at ZSMK. There, like laborers, they worked in sinter-lime production. Everyone was in uniform. Exclusively in groups. Friendly. They even spoke Russian reasonably well. But in the morning they had a natural divorce. The commander of theirs shouted like a slaughter. Something like Hitler. Circus. Scream and all. You can’t see him anymore ...

[Captain Vrungel]

!!! ??? !!! ...

[Dober]

This is the national Korean chain mail.
And to be honest, the medals on the pants and sleeves are crude photoshop. There are many photos on the net where the same photo is only more "modest" or something ...

[pensioner]

Yes, these photos already a month ago giggled here ... Photoshop of course.

[Dober]

Not really. The kims also have order bars. But "when you just stash like this and brenchish with medals" (s) - the highest chic!

[zennon]

Well, yes, this is better for them:

[bubla5]

The usual border routine, and there is nothing new here, and the shooting was probably to stop the ship, ours are still some reckless

[sashka]

Quote: labendik

Nobody is afraid of us nichrome.

I'm scared Ooooooooooooooooooo ... how scary. Boo ..))) The question is not "afraid" and Respect. Well, we shoot at poachers with attraction ... Because of what the noise is not clear .. Apparently the word Russian eye cuts ..

[Kibalchish]

Well, where are you lovers of Kim and North Korea? What I said - a half-silent mode is dangerous for all neighbors.

[alicante11]

Yeah, they just refuted it.

[Kibalchish]

I just came from work, so I have not seen.

[alicante11]

Well Duc, first you need to figure it out, and then water the "kims".

[donavi49]

That's the officialdom, as always, the journalists inflated an elephant from a fly. Private lost, inspected, left:


Vladivostok. September 21st. INTERFAX.RU - The operative duty officer of the FSB Border Directorate for the Primorsky Territory did not confirm the reports that the Russian fishing schooner "Altai"was stopped on Saturday night by a DPRK warship in the neutral waters of the Sea of ​​Japan after the shooting.

"The information that the Russian vessel was fired upon by the DPRK border guards is submitted to the media with distortions. The fact of using a firearm is not confirmed. Light flares were launched into the air. They are also accompanied by claps. Everything happened in the dark. Sailors could just seem", - said a representative of the Primorsky border department.

He also added that "this is common practice".

"DPRK border guards boarded the schooner, checked everything, and left the ship", - said the interlocutor of the agency.

[Apologet insane]

This is to reassure the audience. After all, the DPRK is officially friend and comrade for Russia, which means they could not do so badly. Typical official diplomatic nonsense.

[alicante11]

Yeah, but in kind they sank the schooner with gunfire, and the crew was stuffed with apples and pickled in barrels. What kind of nonsense?

[Russian_Prapor]

Quote: Akim

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

In the mud mud ... cove !!!

Alexei, how do you feel about the shelling of the Greenpeace vessel, which was grazed near the Gazprom rig in the northern latitudes?

Greenpeace's real specialization: espionage, custom-made shares of sabotage and wrecking. So, these people can and should open fire to kill without warning.

[Ivanovich47]

The Koreans became completely insolent. It is necessary to accompany our civilian ships with warships. And the Navy's training and safety of Russian sailors will be on par. Such disrespect for Russia must be severely punished. Everyone who encroaches on the life of Russian sailors must go to the bottom!

[Bosk]

The article was somehow provocative and illiterate ... they fired on, didn't hit, climbed in and got off ... It was difficult to write normally, the DPRK border ship, having made warning shots, stopped the fishing schooner and conducted a visual inspection. There is no need to make monsters out of Koreans right away, such "graters" in neutral waters are not rare ... perhaps without shots, but this is a separate topic, maybe their battery or the lamp on the radio burned out, so they made it clear, and already in that area this method of stopping ships ... now I do not know, but some time ago it was widespread.

[i_vam_ne_hvoratj]

I cannot disagree with many of the comments. But, I am afraid, in a nutshell, it is impossible to comment on the situation. Therefore, I apologize for the verbosity. First, the respected Rosrybolovstvo did not indicate the coordinates of the rendezvous point and the flag of the schooner. The first is quite fundamental. There are such concepts as territorial waters and the economic zone. Zones vary quite a lot in status. If there are any restrictions during the transit passage through the first, then certain activities are limited in the second zone. I believe that Rosrybolovstvo could not miss false information, and the rendezvous point was outside the 12-mile zone. Now about the economic zone. Just, as a purely academic interest, can someone enlighten me about the existence of such a zone in the DPRK? I will be grateful. But no activity other than the transit passage, judging by the information of the respected Roskomrybolovstvo, was not carried out. (I, nevertheless, in this case, tend to believe the fishermen. Not very comfortable. It happened.) Let's slow down on this. We decided that, based on the data of the respected Rosrybolovstvo, the schooner was outside the territorial waters and did not carry out any illegal activities. Now about the flag of the schooner and AIS. First, I may have missed something, but I have not heard that the DPRK, on ​​the basis of international law, somehow limited the unhindered passage of ships of any flag in international waters. This is tantamount to a declaration of war. The second, about AIS. This system works within the framework of the SOLAS convention (you know the abbreviation. It is rather not so much a convention as a program of interaction between the countries of the world community in protecting the life of seafarers.) I do not know the case that non-working AIS equipment served as the basis for accusation of illegal activity (piracy , poaching, etc.). And, as distinguished colleagues noted, there is a certain document that regulates the time of the demonstration of the national flag, which allows its absence from 20:00 to 08:00 local time. Now let's summarize. A vessel outside the territorial waters of any country that is not engaged in illegal activities, with a Russian crew, was attacked by a warship. A NOW QUESTION !!! Who can protect our sailors from pirate attacks within the reach of the Russian Air Force?

[alicante11]

Strange reasoning. It is not known where, it is not known in which zone. It is not known whether there was shelling, no injuries or casualties. Well, they already explained that it was at night. The ship did not fly the flag, for example, which it should not have carried. He was simply stopped, examined and released. Where is the piracy here? Perhaps the Kimov border guards had information that a ship with illegal emigrants should proceed or something else. Or maybe you should watch at least the movie "Pirates of the XX century" if you have forgotten how pirates act and what are the consequences of their actions?

[i_vam_ne_hvoratj]

Dear alicante11. Sorry for the verbosity. There is nothing strange in my reasoning. There are just two nuances: you can’t consider the phrase out of context and the second - I’m not so categorical (Given the lack of information). But I tend to believe the respected Rosrybolovstvo. I am sure that the fact of force impact on the Russian crew outside the territorial waters of the DPRK took place. Now, dear alicante11, let's talk a bit about piracy. Following your advice, be sure to review the film "Pirates of the 20th Century" (TV series about Jack-Sparrow, forwarder of the secret office, etc., etc. .. I had a good selection of films on this subject, until the child brushed hard If you believe that piracy takes place only when you have been broken through a skull and taken away a chest of accumulations, I’m afraid that you are mistaken. shocked that the skull was not broken and the acquired was not taken away - they couldn’t.) but I’m sure that this will not change my attitude to the violation of the sovereignty of the flag of the ship (that’s how I was taught to evaluate a similar situation in the not-so-distant 80s of the last century .). Let's look at the situation more mundane. I, by and large, am deeply indifferent to who is knocking on my door at 90 a.m. - riot police or gopnik. There is such a thing - the inviolability of the home (this is an analogue of sovereignty.). I can use all legal means at my disposal to prevent uninvited guests from entering my house. There is one exception - the request to cross the threshold of my home should be legally sound (Otherwise, I can ask for help.) No references to “difficult childhood” (“I dropped my mobile here - return it.”, “You planted a pine in my kindergarten with a lump in your forehead - answer. ”,“ On the ground floor a hundred rubles were taken away - give it back ”,“ Kolya, yesterday your opponent was beaten up in two blocks. Explain why. ”I don’t have to explain that my name is not even Kolya, that I live not in apartment 70, but even in the 2th, and not in house 11 on Kotelnikova street, but in house 55 on Svetlanskaya street, that I basically don’t know the opponent Mavrodiy, I just didn’t even have from the kindergarten passing acquaintances with this name.

[i_vam_ne_hvoratj]

References to the hostile environment, possible illegal immigrants, possible poaching can only be considered from this angle and, in principle, cannot be discussed.). Let's make sense of everything said and draw a conclusion. First - was there a boy ??? Rosrybolovstvo did not indicate the coordinates of the rendezvous point (as my colleagues say in black and gold uniforms.). But I'm sure the boy was. (I will explain my point of view later.) In this regard, no forceful effect on civilian sailors sailing under any flag of any country that is not at war is, in principle, unacceptable. The captain's signal about the force detention was. He was voiced by Rosrybolovstvo. I still can’t understand why this signal did not appear among the law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation (I know a lot about the services that control the radio broadcast.) And why there was no adequate answer. I hope that I have reasonably explained my point of view. Not to your chagrin - any of your questions to my mail will not remain unanswered. I am deeply indifferent to adding points to me on the site or taking them off, I'm in the rank of growth or vice versa. This is not the point. I know my real military rank and am doing my job fairly well. I appreciate this site for the opportunity to express its opinion within the framework of the site’s rules and get acquainted with the opinions of others on a variety of topics. And now the digression within the promise in brackets. For quite a long time and on various topics, I came across our North Korean neighbors. In general, I can’t say anything bad about the people. There were problems when our ships were storming in Korean waters. It happens ... Here, most likely, the problem is of a different order. Some time ago, a country decided to inspect a DPRK ship. All of you remember the development of events. Now, as part of the past, our North Korean neighbors decided to recoup. It’s dumb to detain a Chinese ship (You can get it on a nickle. The Chinese will not stand on ceremony - they will answer in a neighborly way). Japan remains, which will try to reduce everything to the diplomatic plane, the Republic of Korea, which I don’t really want to fight with, and the Russian Federation, which swallow spit. But this is my subjective opinion, with which you have the right to disagree. Sincerely. Hottabych.

[alicante11]

Well, they brought you here a message from the FSB border guard. You believe the gentlemen from the Russian fisheries, who "pull the oil", covering their poachers, and I believe the FSB officers.

[alicante11]

You forget one simple moment. A ship is not a house, but a vehicle that is located outside the territorial waters of the country. You forget that the DPRK is still at war. In general, warships have the right to inspect commercial ships and even in neutral waters. Law of the sea has not changed since the First World War, if I remember correctly.

[i_vam_ne_hvoratj]

I cannot disagree with many of the comments. But, I am afraid, in a nutshell, it is impossible to comment on the situation. Therefore, I apologize for the verbosity. First, the respected Rosrybolovstvo did not indicate the coordinates of the rendezvous point and the flag of the schooner. The first is quite fundamental. There are such concepts as territorial waters and the economic zone. Zones vary quite a lot in status. If there are any restrictions during the transit passage through the first, then certain activities are limited in the second zone. I believe that Rosrybolovstvo could not miss false information, and the rendezvous point was outside the 12-mile zone. Now about the economic zone. Just, as a purely academic interest, can someone enlighten me about the existence of such a zone in the DPRK? I will be grateful. But no activity other than the transit passage, judging by the information of the respected Roskomrybolovstvo, was not carried out. (I, nevertheless, in this case, tend to believe the fishermen. Not very comfortable. It happened.) Let's slow down on this. We decided that, based on the data of the respected Rosrybolovstvo, the schooner was outside the territorial waters and did not carry out any illegal activities. Now about the flag of the schooner and AIS. First, I may have missed something, but I have not heard that the DPRK, on ​​the basis of international law, somehow limited the unhindered passage of ships of any flag in international waters. This is tantamount to a declaration of war. The second, about AIS. This system works within the framework of the SOLAS convention (you know the abbreviation. It is rather not so much a convention as a program of interaction between the countries of the world community in protecting the life of seafarers.) I do not know the case that non-working AIS equipment served as the basis for accusation of illegal activity (piracy , poaching, etc.). And, as distinguished colleagues noted, there is a certain document that regulates the time of the demonstration of the national flag, which allows its absence from 20:00 to 08:00 local time. Now let's summarize. A vessel outside the territorial waters of any country that is not engaged in illegal activities, with a Russian crew, was attacked by a warship. A NOW QUESTION !!! Who can protect our sailors from pirate attacks within the reach of the Russian Air Force?

[Navigator2013]

I don’t even remember from which year, at the end of the 80s of the last century, that's for sure, the DPRK warships claimed control over all the ships located in the 50-mile zone. And civilian vessels either bypassed it, or if it was forced to call, they obeyed the requirements of the DPRK warships to follow the shore to check, stop on the spot, or at least provide detailed information about the vessel, shipowner, cargo.
Therefore, the topic is not new; the captain of a fishing vessel should have carefully planned his voyage.
About AIS. This control system provides more and more reasons for detaining ships in ports due to a malfunction of AIS transceivers.
Especially in the Baltic countries. You approach the shore with the AIS instrument turned off, potentially earning an unscheduled Port State Control check with the following code 30, and this is the detention of the vessel, an extraordinary examination by the classification body. AND COSTS !!!

[Watson J.]

I appeal to those who immediately after reading rush to write angry comments.
Guys, have you still not learned to distinguish reality from cheap ducks? Forgot how to read between the lines? To put it in the old regime, but frankly. It's a shame, dear comrades! Journalists start up another duck, and you immediately "react sharply". The story is not worth a damn, they stopped the ship with signal flares, checked it, and released it. What is unusual or worth discussing here? What does the Korean people have to do with it? What have they done to you? Forcing Americans to put in their pants and spend money on weapons? So honor and praise to them for that. And help does not interfere within reasonable limits. And some kind of trash journalist sows discord cheaply. Ugh, it is disgusting to even think that such cheap prostitute techniques are able to influence public opinion.

[Apologet insane]

And here's another thing. None of ours will simply swim into the territorial waters of the DPRK without a North Korean pilot, since the waters of the DPRK were already shaded in Soviet sailing directions, and there was a simple mark "Mines" there. So this is just a stupid trick of the North Korean border guards. I bet they even got some money or cut a crab off the sailors. And at the highest level, everything was quickly hushed up, so as not to inflate anti-Kndrovsky sentiments.

[alicante11]

Argue as much as you like. Where is the proof of your words? Rendezvous point or "attack", damage to the vessel, how much money or crab did they take? After all, you don't know anything, but no. Koreans, no one is afraid of us. Thank God they are not afraid. Otherwise, we will no longer be Russians, but some new naglo-Saxons.

[Apologet insane]

http://mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/40F00989B786CF5844257BED00391318

The Russian Foreign Ministry also believes that our ship was still fired.

[Watson J.]

Quote: Apologet Insane

http://mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/40F00989B786CF5844257BED00391318

Russian MFA Information and Press Department Commentary Regarding an Incident with a Russian Ship in the Sea of ​​Japan


1794-21-09-2013

On September 20, an incident occurred in the Sea of ​​Japan that the coast guard of the DPRK detained the Russian fishing schooner Altai.
According to available information, the DPRK warship, without communicating, fired automatic weapons and red flares at the rate of the Russian shipafter which it fell into a drift. The North Korean military boarded, carried out an inspection and interrogation of the captain. At the end of these actions, the schooner received permission to follow as intended. There were no casualties on board, the vessel was not damaged.
The Russian Foreign Ministry turned to the Korean side for clarification in connection with the incident.

Well? The impression is that it's time to declare war on the DPRK? Or do we ask first, and listen to the answer? This hype is not worth a damn. Wait for "impudent defiant answers", repetitions, and send patrolmen disguised as fishing schooners into neutral waters. Without unnecessary noise. And so - pure journalistic provocation.

[soldier's grandson]

with their Juche ideas, they went beyond the limits of human consciousness. It was infa that those who did not mourn the death of the leader badly, those families were sent to camps, I would not agree to live there

[lecturer]

When the SU-90 bombed us (in the Black Sea, in the perestroika 24s, in neutral waters), we can say THANK YOU to the pilot who placed two missiles strictly on the left and right sides ... Clever girl, hit twice at low level .. and reported to his dispatcher via communication "completely unloaded". Yes, men, and the pilot was Russian Ivanov ...
HOW do we now condemn political troubles, when "one thing" is on air, but in reality "another"?

[RUSS]

Quote: tomket

By the way, in terms of sending to study, I would have thought, in any case, would have been sure that the offspring would study, and not get drunk and get smoky with fellow students gouging.

This is already a matter of personal education - "the pig will find dirt everywhere"

[alicante11]

Where, in principle, there is none, she will not find it.

[RUSS]

Quote: alicante11

RUSS

If possible, I will answer you a question. I would like to live in the USSR. But North Korea or Cuba is an indicator that the USSR was not doomed, as the liberals insist. If it weren’t for sanctions, if they had the same resources as we, then for a long time both Kim and Fidel would build communism with the most human face.

When the "cash cow" (I apologize for the comparison) in the person of Russia stopped giving "FREE milk", the economy in Korea began to breathe, it is very difficult for Koreans to feed themselves on their own, and it is not about any sanctions, the system simply outlived its usefulness.
Oh, for whom you can rejoice, it’s for China, among other things there are not very ....

[alicante11]

When the "cash cow" (I apologize for the comparison) in the person of Russia stopped giving "FREE milk", the economy in Korea began to breathe, it is very difficult for Koreans to feed themselves on their own, and it is not about any sanctions, the system simply outlived its usefulness.

Sorry, but not Russia, but the USSR. And the economy of the Kims and Cuba has never been strong. Precisely because they were forced to maintain good armies on their small resources. At what Kimov even though China is covering, and the Cubans are generally alone against amers are. Not much to turn around here. So the "obsolete system" has nothing to do with it. How many countries with capitalist economies are bent over? All over Africa, for example. Moreover, God did not offend them. Has capitalism also outlived itself?

Oh, for whom you can rejoice, it’s for China, among other things there are not very ....

But amers were invested there. To grow an adversary for the USSR. And they raised hemorrhoids for themselves :).

[Navigator2013]

DPRK, unlike other states, in addition to 12-mile territorial waters, claim to be a 50-mile zone controlled by its Navy. TR Altai got there, but they released it!
This is not the first time that Russian (and Soviet, too) captains, out of ignorance, or even out of direct intent, entered the DPRK 50-mile zone. Sometimes even the weather forced us to approach the shore, the wave was still smaller.
And it is no secret that the knowledge of English by captains of fishing vessels is not at a high level. I apologize in advance that there could be a watch officer on duty on the bridge with a low professional level. Therefore, the use of small arms for preventive purposes most effectively overcomes the language barrier.
Therefore, automatic identification systems (AIS) were invented and used, which both simplify the identification procedure and navigation radio exchange. However, private shipowners often ignore the availability or good condition of such devices.
Here is the result ...

[Norady.]

Quote: nemec55

While I eat crab sticks and they carry the crab to the port of Donghae (Republic of Korea), let them even stoke Russians there, there are only hucksters without a homeland without a flag.

the so-called crab sticks have no relation to crabs, they make them from adnak cod meat;)

[No_more]

Wash is a classic provocation and more. We diverge.