Russia decides what to do with old Kalashnikov assault rifles

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In recent years, the Russian defense industry has faced a rather non-trivial problem. Suddenly (!) It turned out that the bins of the Motherland are full of small weapons different degrees of antiquity. Against this background, in 2011, the military simply stopped purchasing new AK-74M machines, and Izhevsk gunsmiths could not offer a fundamentally new development to the military then. It is reported that at present in the warehouses of the Russian Defense Ministry about 16 has accumulated millions of trunks of various small arms, most of which are just Kalashnikov assault rifles. At the same time, almost 6,5 of millions of them have already developed their entire resource.

Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms of Russia is useless. The Ministry of Defense in case of war is enough 3-4 million trunks in warehouses, the remaining copies must either be sold for export, or upgraded, or disposed of. Konstantin Makienko, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, notes that Russia simply does not physically have such a large number of people who are ready to take up more 3 million automata in the event of war. In addition, all modern conflicts suggest the availability of bets on the use of precision weapons and professional military, the massive use of mobilization reserves is simply not intended.

According to the deputy chairman of the Military Industrial Commission (MIC) under the Russian government, Oleg Bochkarev, small arms stocks accumulated in the warehouses of the Russian Ministry of Defense are holding back new orders. And this is despite the fact that Russia has been implementing a program for the disposal of obsolete models of weapons for the past 10 years. So the problem with samples of small arms that have accumulated in the warehouses, most of which are AK, is rather acute in our country.

Russia decides what to do with old Kalashnikov assault rifles

Possible ways out of this situation were announced 18 September 2013, in Izhevsk. In particular, Russian President Vladimir Putin supported the proposal, according to which the state corporation Russian Technologies is going to provide the Russian Defense Ministry 1 a new AK-12 machine gun in exchange for an 3 machine belonging to old generations to be removed from military warehouses. The fact that the Russian president supported the proposal of Sergey Chemezov (the head of Rotstekhnologii) told reporters the vice-premier of the Russian government Dmitry Rogozin.

The President of Russia and Dmitry Rogozin on September 18 in the capital of Udmurtia took part in a meeting on the implementation of the state armaments program in terms of equipping the country’s Land Forces with new weapons. At the same time, Dmitry Rogozin reminded journalists that the AK-12 has not yet passed the state tests stage, but the vice-premier expressed confidence that these tests will be held in the near future. Upon completion of the state tests program, a decision will be made on the scale of possible purchases, which will be carried out by the RF Ministry of Defense and other Russian law enforcement agencies, Dmitry Rogozin noted.

According to Oleg Bochkarev, the new Kalashnikov assault rifles, the AK-12, are expected to come into service with the Russian army as early as 2014. According to the official, there are two models that will be different caliber (7,62 and 5,45). The development of the AK-12 machine gun, which belongs to the 5 generation machine guns, was conducted in Izhevsk under the guidance of Vladimir Zlobin, the chief designer of Izhmash, since the middle of the 2011 year. The new machine for the Russian army and law enforcement agencies retained the classic layout, but received with a number of significant design improvements. So, in particular, AK-12 has a much better accuracy of fire when firing bursts and less impact when shooting. In addition, the machine should be equipped with Picatinny slats, which can be used to install various additional equipment on it (sights, target indicators, flashlights, etc.), a double-sided reloading handle and an adjustable butt.


Speaking about the possibilities of using the previous series of Kalashnikov assault rifles, Dmitry Rogozin said that they could be used as spare parts. Also, in his opinion, the old machine guns could be used to create civilian weapons on their basis. An excellent competitive position was created on the basis of the Kalashnikov machine gun - the self-loading Saiga carbine of the 12 caliber. Today, these weapons are very popular in the US market, including among police units, the Russian deputy prime minister said.

Thus, according to Dmitry Rogozin, there is an opportunity to earn money through sales in foreign markets of military weapons, which was converted into civilian weapons. In addition, the Deputy Prime Minister recalled that on behalf of the military-industrial complex 6 has been working for months on a program to modernize the existing combat potential of small arms that has accumulated in the warehouses of the Russian Ministry of Defense, that is, work is underway to raise the class of weapons and replace parts of them.

Dmitry Rogozin also stressed that at present Russia is receiving quite a lot of proposals for the provision of military-technical assistance with small arms from foreign countries. This assistance could be provided at the expense of the reserves available to the Russian Ministry of Defense, that is, without engaging in the release of new machines at the plant in Kovrov or Izhevsk. It is quite possible for foreign partners to transfer automata stored in Russian warehouses. Speaking about deliveries through the PTS line, Rogozin did not specify the states to which Russian small arms could be sent, confining himself to saying that there are a lot of applications.

Information sources:
-http: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20130918/964132109.html
-http: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20130918/964147513.html
-http: //top.rbc.ru/society/14/03/2012/641592.shtml
-http: //www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2013/0917/100020320/detail.shtml
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  1. +86
    20 September 2013 08: 32
    Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms in Russia is useless
    Hang grief-analysts!
    Does the piggy east story about cut missiles teach nothing?
    Let them be already released
    1. +44
      20 September 2013 09: 49
      Quote: Denis
      Let them be already released

      That's the problem! Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.
      1. +57
        20 September 2013 10: 20
        What are you ?! Give the population weapons? The nightmare of the deputy.
        But seriously, I would love to buy two, and even at an inflated price, my region is not so calm.
        1. +9
          20 September 2013 12: 44
          Open your eyes and go to the gun shop at last.
          Semi-automatic weapons based on AK and SVD, and ammunition for them, are sold everywhere and completely legally, what’s the problem. Automatic weapons are not sold to the public, machine guns will be redone before selling, read the article carefully.
          1. Hon
            +5
            20 September 2013 12: 49
            Only with permission hemorrhoids
            1. +6
              20 September 2013 13: 10
              Try it, it quickly turns out that everything is simple and done quickly enough. In my opinion, getting rights was much more hemorrhoids. The only thing for the rifled will have to wait 2 years. But it's not scary, 2 hunting seasons, learn how to shoot and contain weapons.
              1. +3
                20 September 2013 13: 16
                Well, I want a full-fledged AKM - will they sell it to me and can I get permission? Did permission, familiar with the procedure (saiga, injury) ...
                1. +7
                  20 September 2013 13: 57
                  Read the article again, or the comments.
                  Automatic weapons (full-fledged AKM) are not sold to the population, machine guns will be remade under a semiautomatic device before sale. Like assault rifles, welcome to the army or explosives.
                  1. +4
                    20 September 2013 14: 11
                    Duc and what am I talking about ?!)) Auto weapons are NOT FOR SALE to the population! You better read my koment again)))
                    By weapons, I understood FULL AKMs and the like. Of course, saiga is also a weapon, but not that.
                    And here in the comments we rightly noted that it would be possible to form a reserve from civilians with weapons and I’m sure all the costs of firing and ammunition would have been paid. But who will give the population weapons then? That's what I talked about if you expand!)
                    All beaver and Friday! drinks
                    1. 0
                      20 September 2013 15: 26
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Of course, saiga is also a weapon, but not that.

                      I agree, but I note that AKMs are not the same either.
                      The choice of a master machine gun KPV or Kord at worst, but unfortunately they are also not sold to the population, as unfortunately RPGs. I agree that this is being done on purpose and precisely for this reason that our population is practically unarmed. For example, Syria, a region similar to yours, they are actively solving this problem there. Not only can anyone who wants to freely buy any weapon they like, they give out a lot at all for free, and it is clear that the population can immediately begin to fight against criminal power.
                      1. +9
                        20 September 2013 15: 43
                        Well, thank God, we still don't have Syria yet, and there is little in common with the principle, but it would have been calmer with the "guests" otherwise they would have survived, you won't walk through the city calmly, constantly clashes with visiting jackals, who provoke our girls for all sorts of places are enough, they will come in large numbers for the weekend, then they dump them into their auls, and I think that if I could carry something more serious than a traumatic person with me (well, not AKM, although I would have thrown myself into the car), then you yourself understand that problems would be solved faster and quite possible without a lot of shots. I understand that they will also have weapons, they still have them, but I think experience will win. Something like this, at least we would equalize the chances, because loyalty to the authorities and the absence of barriers are on their side, we are driven into the framework of the "law" and apply it only to us "so as not to stir up", the presence of AKM for me and my father friends would give more confidence in the future in our region, although the saiga will do, but I will repeat "not that coat."
                      2. 0
                        7 October 2013 14: 06
                        do not compare the caliber of ak74 and "krupnyakov": cord, kpv. yes and where will you put kpv?
                        and I wouldn’t refuse from the ICS winked
                    2. 0
                      15 December 2020 19: 45
                      Why do you need an AKM with automatic fire? Can't defend the apartment with a semiautomatic device?
                  2. 0
                    20 September 2013 16: 54
                    Yeah, me too ?! ))))))))))
                2. +1
                  20 September 2013 14: 27
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Well, I want a full AKM

                  Why do you need it? Nostalgia for army everyday life?
                  1. +3
                    20 September 2013 14: 51
                    You know, tomorrow will come in handy in full growth! We are waiting any day.
                    Yes, and just like to shoot with AKM at the target. Our region is like that.
                    1. -1
                      20 September 2013 20: 19
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Yes, and just like to shoot with AKM at the target. Our region is like that.

                      I can not understand. I believe that target shooting is a preparation for shooting people. If this is not preparation, then - no offense - just show off.
                      Region, say ... Well, yes, the southern people are hot. Stalin understood what to do, whom he cooled in Kolyma, whom in Kazakhstan. It’s time to take advantage of the experience. I'm not talking about you, if that. I'm about the hottest and most impatient.
                3. +3
                  20 September 2013 21: 41
                  I don't see any problems. it was necessary to enter a permit to carry a weapon after serving in the army. In my warrant officer's certificate it was written - it was allowed to wear a regular firearm. arms. and walked with a tapestry without problems. yes even a stamp in the passport - after serving in the army - that's what I understand D "democracy. or at 18 you can get away, but you can only drink with 21 BRED."
              2. +2
                20 September 2013 13: 33
                Not two years, but five years.
              3. Hon
                +2
                20 September 2013 13: 53
                Already tried, hemorrhoids still one, by the way on the rifled now five years, to see for a long time you have issued permission. Now permissions are issued with a big creak.
                1. 0
                  20 September 2013 14: 05
                  Yes, a long time. I didn’t know about five years, it’s sad.
                  A pre-obtained hunting ticket helps a lot. Although everything seems to have changed a lot, I suspect that payments for services have increased.
                  1. +3
                    20 September 2013 14: 12
                    Even as has changed, I will not voice the price tag, but this is no way wassat . Although if a person is determined to get permission, he will get it
                    1. +1
                      20 September 2013 14: 42
                      By the way Temka appeared! In principle, the same topic is only on the side.
                      Rostec will provide the Ministry of Defense with one new AK-12 assault rifle in exchange for three old-generation assault rifles
                      Russian President Vladimir Putin supported the proposal that Rostec will provide the Ministry of Defense with one new AK-12 assault rifle free of charge in exchange for three old-generation assault rifles seized from the ministry’s warehouses.
                      “Today, the president supported the proposal of the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, that the corporation could provide one new machine for free to the ministry in exchange for three machine guns seized from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense,” Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin quotes RIA Novosti.
                      Rogozin in Izhevsk took part in a meeting on the implementation of the state armament program in terms of equipping the Ground Forces armament, which was held by the president.
                      At the same time, the Deputy Prime Minister recalled that AK-12 has not yet passed state tests, but expressed hope that this will happen in the near future.
                      “At the end of the tests, a decision will be made on the volumes of possible purchases that will go to the Ministry of Defense or other law enforcement agencies,” Rogozin added.
                      Speaking about the possibilities of using the previous series of machines, the Deputy Prime Minister noted that they can be used as spare parts. “They can also be used to create civilian weapons on their basis. On the basis of the Kalashnikov machine gun, an excellent competitive position was created - the Saiga of the 12 caliber. This weapon is very popular in the US market, ”Rogozin said.
                      Thus, according to him, there is an opportunity to earn money when selling converted military weapons to civilian ones on foreign markets. In addition, Rogozin recalled that on the instructions of the military-industrial complex, a program has been running for six months to modernize the existing combat potential of small arms, which is in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense, that is, the class of weapons is being raised, and individual parts are changing.
                      Taken from the Rostec website: http://www.rostec.ru/news/3023

                      PS By the way, "Rostec has approved the logo of the Kalashnikov concern," said Konstantin Busygin, general director of the enterprise, on September 19.

                    2. +1
                      20 September 2013 15: 01
                      yes no hemorrhoids. and there are no "service fees".
                      I messed up a year ago. on smooth. with wearing.
                      a month ago, the spouse received.
                      I did the paperwork for myself for two months, from the moment I went and received it. the wife met in four weeks, already with the design of the Rohi. and no bribes. absolutely legal. no hemorrhoids. therefore, I’m puzzled when I read that it’s difficult to get weapons.

                      now it remains to wait 4 years and there I will serve already on the rifled.

                      = ^ _ ^ =
                      1. +1
                        20 September 2013 15: 12
                        Well, maybe it depends on the region. I also did not get long, the price is the point.
                      2. 0
                        20 September 2013 15: 28
                        Well, what is the price?
                        the most expensive are weapon handling courses. in Moscow now from 3.5k to 6k rubles.
                        certificates and photos in the amount of somewhere around 2 thousand turned out.
                        all. IMHO, not fatal. more fun.

                        = ^ _ ^ =
                      3. 0
                        20 September 2013 15: 44
                        And multiply by two. Plus - minus. It would be worth 30 and 30 would give.
                        more fun.

                        I agree! drinks
                      4. 0
                        24 September 2013 11: 34
                        why two then?
                        I called the real numbers that I paid.

                        = ^ _ ^ =
            2. 0
              20 September 2013 19: 36
              Quote: Hon
              Only with permission hemorrhoids


              Not with permission, but with the norms of legislation in the field of self-defense.
          2. 0
            20 September 2013 16: 18
            Quote: chunga-changa
            Open your eyes ... read the article carefully

            Thank you Captain. Evidence that we would do without you. laughing
        2. 0
          20 September 2013 12: 49
          And I would take in my calm region!
        3. +6
          20 September 2013 14: 24
          Quote: klimpopov
          What are you ?! Give the population weapons? The nightmare of the deputy.
          But seriously, I would love to buy two, and even at an inflated price, my region is not so calm.


          And I’m able to calm the region, but I would buy it anyway - it’s not known how life will turn out, it may happen that you have to suddenly start shooting laughing ... well, if it’s from a zombie, or even from an American landing ...

          I’m minus an article. To talk about the liquidity of military small arms is a clear idiocy. You can sell it without problems, a matter of diligence and price. In fact, do not let serviceable samples into remelting. There is Latin America without weapons, in Syria you probably need ...
        4. predator.3
          +8
          20 September 2013 15: 14
          Russia decides what to do with old Kalashnikov assault rifles


          It’s very simple to give out to the population to fight corruption! lol
          1. +7
            20 September 2013 16: 57
            I'm in line! Who is last ?! good
          2. korotkov2033
            0
            22 September 2013 14: 52
            I agree with the planned distribution by the former adequate military personnel to the action plan in the event of various emergency situations or war, this is also the help of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the issue of mobilization reserve is being solved, with which we write the problem.
        5. Romario_Omsk
          0
          20 September 2013 15: 34
          I would take 4 so that for every member of the family ..... and it absolutely does not depend on the region .....
        6. +3
          20 September 2013 16: 54
          And I would buy one thing. Just in case, keep in the house. Let the price of the car. Yes, and many would have bought, not for criminal use, but for peace of mind, their own and dashing people (who should be baked about someone else's good).
        7. StolzSS
          +1
          20 September 2013 17: 12
          Well, we have the glory of the Almighty quietly and calmly, but I would also buy 3 pieces of nephews to learn how to deal with a legend is that)))
        8. 0
          20 September 2013 17: 26
          Absolutely for sure! It won't hurt us
      2. +10
        20 September 2013 10: 34
        I would love to buy a couple of 7.62 caliber, as in Siberia without a gun, then the recitals, then the police, or even worse prosecutors, we barely manage to fight back.
        1. +1
          20 September 2013 13: 32
          Quote: user
          as in Siberia without a gun, then the rekitirats, then the policemen, or even worse prosecutors, we barely manage to fight back.

          You shoot cops with prosecutors?
          1. +1
            20 September 2013 19: 23
            Yes, of course, surprisingly. Compared to the 90s, like in a morgue, we killed and sentenced people, and who managed to cut money down in more favorable lands. And where are we, my grandfathers, even before the revolution, were born here. And the machine is so for complacency, if there is something to go into the taiga with.
        2. 0
          22 September 2013 12: 41
          It’s time for you to shut up in the monastery)))
      3. +3
        20 September 2013 11: 39
        Quote: mejik
        I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.

        I will not refuse the same!
        drinks
      4. +1
        20 September 2013 13: 58
        Quote: mejik
        Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.


        well yes! and you do not exclude the possibility that many will begin to use such good stuff right there.
        everyone has a grudge against someone, and I certainly know how the people "love" their robber officials.
        1. +3
          20 September 2013 14: 05
          and you do not exclude the possibility that many will begin to use such good stuff right there.

          And how many people out of 100 are capable really kill your offender? Moreover, knowing that the cartridges from his machine are stored in the nearest police department and the term for the murder will not take long?
          It is clear that before the legalization of such weapons it is necessary to create conditions for their control.
          1. -1
            20 September 2013 22: 22
            Well, under degrees, people are capable of a lot, and how much in Russia they give for the murder of -7 years
        2. Romario_Omsk
          +3
          20 September 2013 15: 39
          "uncle, are you?" Something from the acquisition of other types of weapons does not start settling scores and so on .... but how a person picks up a machine gun (essentially the same saiga) his "bar falls" ..... YOU really think so?
      5. Avenger711
        -11
        20 September 2013 14: 01
        And half the country, no matter how it happened in a couple of years.
      6. 0
        20 September 2013 17: 25
        +++++++++++++++++
      7. go
        +1
        20 September 2013 20: 08
        Quote: mejik
        Quote: Denis
        Let them be already released

        That's the problem! Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.


        Our population can not sell machines. They will shoot each other on the roads. And without machine guns they are ready to kill each other. It is necessary that a couple of generations pass after the upheavals of the 90s, so that the people calm down a bit. Non-automatic weapons and so you can buy. This is enough to feel calm.

        Regarding Rogozin: his economic and technical genius is becoming increasingly alarming. This is where the problem is when only one person is responsible for such important issues as the military-industrial complex.

        1) It is not clear to me how out of 145 million, only 3 can hold weapons?
        2) Why spend money and resources on remaking a military weapon into a civilian one, if, according to him, a combat weapon can be sold so calmly on the foreign market, without incurring rework costs? I don’t think that the civilian weapons market is so big, it can only be in the USA, but there are enough of its players ...
        3) In my opinion, everyone already understands that 5,45 is not powerful enough, and 7,62 is redundant for the machine, but the AK-12 is again made for them. Again it is not clear then - why under two calibers?

        Why can’t you give from stores 5,45 to the police and explosives before running out of resources, to sell 7,62 (for the benefit of cartridges in the world they do a lot) or to leave a reserve, and to do something average for the army, for example. 6.5? It is clear that you need to strain and make a cartridge and its production. But this is precisely the work of Mr. Rogozin, and not engage in sales. If we have a lot of 7,62R in warehouses, then make a modernized version of the old RPK for them with the subsequent transition to 6,5 and calm down.
        1. 0
          20 September 2013 20: 46
          Quote: go
          Our population can not sell machines.

          Nobody offers anything to your population. Germans are forbidden to show it from the forty-fifth. soldier
          1. go
            0
            21 September 2013 14: 32
            Quote: mejik
            Quote: go
            Our population can not sell machines.

            Nobody offers anything to your population. Germans are forbidden to show it from the forty-fifth. soldier


            In this case, the Chinese too ...
        2. 0
          20 September 2013 22: 24
          Police preferable to 5,45 excess in the city
      8. 0
        20 September 2013 22: 57
        Quote: mejik
        That's the problem! Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.

        It's time to resolve. But with a reservation ... In addition to the Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, North Ossetia and Ingushetia.
      9. -1
        22 September 2013 04: 20
        And the country is also free from the population.
      10. +1
        26 September 2013 11: 30
        In Russia, they decide where to put the old Kalashnikov assault rifles ... I want to ask: who is the last in the queue? I am behind you! I- 3pcs, I have two more sons ...))))))))))
    2. eplewke
      +20
      20 September 2013 09: 50
      "Analysts declare that the presence of such a huge amount of small arms is useless in Russia" - these analysts are probably economists or lawyers, but not as people of military affairs. There are never too many weapons !!!!
    3. +19
      20 September 2013 09: 50
      Serdyukov disarmed Russia, continues to disarm Shoigu. The population is preparing to slaughter like cattle. The desire to destroy the stocks of Kalash defies any other explanation. If, for example, tanks or other high-tech weapons are being cut, this can somehow be hardly explained by the high costs of maintaining them. Automata are in their drawers in oil and do not ask, they do not need to be refueled, batteries are also not required. In Russia, that there is no place where to store the boxes?

      Kalash would be very necessary for the wars of the fifth type. As is happening in Syria now, when there is no front, there are only urban gangs with small arms. For such a war, 3 million Kalash are very few. Russia is being prepared for such a scenario of destruction. What is happening now is top-level betrayal
      1. +13
        20 September 2013 10: 31
        Al Qaeda is preparing religious fanatics for worldwide jihad. It is necessary to arm them with something. Let's ask Russia for free help. There, the government will give weapons to anyone, but not to its own citizens.
        1. +2
          20 September 2013 13: 21
          It will probably be so. Kalash, which should go under the press, as a result, it will be there. Or a very large part of them. This has already happened in recent Russian (and not only) history.
      2. +2
        20 September 2013 13: 58
        I absolutely agree, in the case of the situation like in Syria, to distribute to all male people from 16 to 70 years old, we will repel any intervention as 1918-22, no one has canceled partisanism.
      3. +1
        20 September 2013 15: 29
        I join this opinion. Rogozin, as always, smacks of garbage; they do not want to keep; they need to be distributed to the population. These should be citizens who served in law enforcement agencies, as well as those who do not undergo any accounting.
        1. 0
          20 September 2013 16: 35
          Al Qaeda is preparing religious fanatics for worldwide jihad. It is necessary to arm them with something. Let's ask Russia for free help. There, the government will give weapons to anyone, but not to its own citizens.

          in the Caucasian regions of Russia, almost everyone has a Kalash, unfortunately. And another question is whether the extra machines are really disposed of.
        2. 0
          20 September 2013 19: 53
          Quote: Papania
          Rogozin, as always, flogs bullshit
          They’ll even lock up on this subject, they passed it to Chicago again.
      4. +4
        21 September 2013 07: 06
        Yes, and there is a feeling - that is so, and yes you are right. the old ones talked — they served in Central Asia, and when in 91 they had to beat in parts, they gave machine guns to their wives and children - since nothing could be done in the military camps of the Akrom patrol. but specifically instructed - as you see the bearded in the city - so immediately hit the windows and shoot how it turns out — good bk nemeryanny. so we survived. And then you know for yourself - they served where God would give.
    4. +1
      20 September 2013 12: 38
      Quote: Author Yuferev Sergey
      Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko notes that Russia simply does not physically have so many people who are ready to pick up more than 3 million assault rifles in case of war.

      Well, to be precise, it’s
      LLC "Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies" AST-Center "
      The Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies was created in April 1997 by graduates of the prestigious Moscow State Institute of International Relations (University) of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation as an autonomous non-profit non-governmental and independent research and information-publishing organization.

      And for clarity
      Currently, the AST Center has scientific contacts with a number of Russian and foreign research institutes and centers:
      Bonn International Center for Conversion (BICC);
      Institute for International and Strategic Studies (IRIS) in Paris;
      Institute of Economic Forecasting of the Russian Academy of Sciences (INP RAS) in Moscow;
      International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) in London;
      Carnegie Moscow Center;
      The Small Arms Survey project in Geneva.
      Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI);
      Strategic Research Foundation (FRS) in Paris.

      hi
    5. Hon
      0
      20 September 2013 12: 48
      Quote: Denis
      Hang grief-analysts!
      Does the piggy east story about cut missiles teach nothing?
      Let them be already released

      For each soldier, 15 machine guns? This includes signalmen, staff, generals, orderlies, etc. Moreover, in the presence of machine guns, SVD, SKS, and other types of small arms. They are also not stored for free. Having put them up for sale, you can rearm the army with new machine guns for free, and there will still be ammunition left.
      1. 0
        20 September 2013 13: 27
        Quote: Hon
        Putting them on sale, you can rearm the army with new guns for free
        If it’s smart, right
        According to Oleg Bochkarev, Deputy Chairman of the Military Industrial Commission (MIC) under the Russian government, the stockpiles of small arms accumulated in the warehouses of the Russian Ministry of Defense hinder the receipt of new orders. And this is despite the fact that in Russia for over 10 years it has been implemented obsolete weapons disposal program. So the problem with small arms stocks that have accumulated in warehouses, most of which are AK, is quite acute in our country
        They are also not stored for free.
        Still cheaper than disposing of
        1. Hon
          0
          20 September 2013 16: 48
          Quote: Denis
          If it’s smart, right

          Well, I would like to mind of course))
          1. 0
            20 September 2013 19: 55
            Quote: Hon
            Well, I would like to mind of course
            What did the famous master of the word Chernomyrdin say about this?
    6. +5
      20 September 2013 13: 42
      Quote: Denis
      Hang grief-analysts!

      I agree completely, in Russia in the case of WAR, it will be possible to put up to 10% of the population under arms, which is exactly 16 million. And you don’t have to be an analyst to understand this.
    7. +3
      20 September 2013 14: 37
      To distribute to all Russians serving in the troops, so that they would serve as if in Belgium, take the machine gun home and keep it for an emergency. laughing
    8. +4
      20 September 2013 15: 08
      Quote: Denis
      Hang grief-analysts!

      Absolutely accurate definition! good
      But dolb ..., sorry, unfortunate analysts, before trying, try to understand a simple fact: in order for high-precision weapons to be effectively used, it is necessary to reliably cover everything, for example, air bases, areas of missile launchers, etc. ., not only from air strikes, but also from the actions of sabotage troops from the ground.
      It is also necessary to protect by large forces, especially if the conflict involves "internal enemies" routes of communication, supply bases and other infrastructure facilities, to block significant sections of the border, "cleanse" settlements and territories from the enemy, albeit to a large extent that has suffered damage from that very high-precision weapon ...
      And for this we need infantry(or motorized infantry) wink
      And in order to have infantry (motorized infantry) at the right time in sufficient quantity, you must have a trained mob. resources.
      And since Russia is great, but now there’s nowhere to retreat, especially there is a lot of infantry.
      And in order to arm them (and replenish the losses of small arms, which, as the experience of wars show, are very significant, in the Great Patriotic War, for example, 15 million 470 thousand units), and we need warehouses with good old AKs. And not only with them ...
      Are there really such shitty analysts for whom all this is news? what
    9. 0
      20 September 2013 19: 33
      Quote: Denis
      Hang grief-analysts!


      Her - let them master the uninhabited open spaces of Siberia - at least there will be benefits.
      1. 0
        20 September 2013 19: 58
        Quote: Blackgrifon
        let them explore the uninhabited open spaces of Siberia - at least the benefit will be
        Only stink, and even the Siberians will not let the land be dirty. Besides, how can this work?
        1. +1
          21 September 2013 10: 52
          We are against the free sale of weapons to the population, mainly those who already have the ability to carry weapons (for example, the police) and those who have their own guards.
          The argument that only give ours and he will immediately shoot everyone, does not roll, as it is refuted by practice. In some Siberian villages, probably, in every family there are hunting trunks and what, are there more serious crimes than in other places?
  2. +1
    20 September 2013 08: 33
    You can also convert it into an airsoft, many would like such a drive, I know that Izhmash is already doing this, but why do it if you can remake and sell abroad there, many would give a substantial amount.
    1. +3
      20 September 2013 12: 02
      Quote: AtenON
      You can also convert it into airsoft

      Yeah, but you can in the inflatable. By type, inflatable tanks. wink
      But why redo it. We have a shortage of airsoft weapons and are required to cover them at the expense of the military ... My hens are laughing in the chicken coop. Sorry! hi
      1. +1
        20 September 2013 12: 47
        Quote: mejik
        Yeah, but you can in the inflatable.

        Why so ?
        A pure business idea that has the right to exist like any sound proposal!
        Not compare with recycle either wise fools or traitors.
        drinks
      2. 0
        20 September 2013 13: 30
        Quote: mejik
        By type, inflatable tanks
        Do not tell your chickens, no matter what grief, experts from the media would not yap inflatable mock-ups of tanks
        1. +1
          20 September 2013 20: 57
          Quote: Denis
          inflatable tank mockups needed

          no need to strain, friend. Is it really necessary to write for every joke that it is a joke. You are like at a meeting of the Security Council of the Government of the Russian Federation, by golly. This is the sheer pallor of adults. And you are not a fact that the most adult, since you can’t tell jokes from seriousness. Sincerely. hi
      3. 0
        20 September 2013 20: 51
        Quote: mejik
        inflatable
    2. 0
      20 September 2013 12: 48
      But where is it - airsoft? Conversations, rumors, commercials ...
  3. 0
    20 September 2013 08: 42
    Problems exist only in order to solve them and to make life "not boring" ...
  4. vovich
    +24
    20 September 2013 08: 46
    ... that Russia simply does not physically have so many people who are ready to pick up more than 3 million assault rifles in case of war.

    I do not understand ... is it our analysts think so or American?
    What kind of specialists are these who are not able to assess the mobility potential of Russia?
    3 million. How ... In Honduras, and more. They either do not know how or provocateurs.

    3-4 million trunks will be enough in case of war

    This is generally insanity. In a war, especially a large-scale one, the loss of weapons (wear and tear, failure, damage in battle, etc., etc.) is quite significant. The Great Patriotic War clearly demonstrated this.
    1. ROA
      ROA
      -14
      20 September 2013 09: 04
      There will never be such a war.
      1. ka5280
        +5
        20 September 2013 10: 25
        The next big war will be such, in comparison with which, the 2nd World War is the children in the sandbox quarreled.
        1. ROA
          ROA
          -1
          20 September 2013 12: 33
          Nuclear weapons guarantee peace on the planet. As long as it is there will be no new major wars, maximum border conflicts. And to fill up with meat as in the Second World War will not work.
      2. 0
        21 September 2013 17: 49
        even though the topic is gone - but you fucked up - I will answer. disguised as shit - and you’re not a shit you’re not a profffessor. specifically for the Russian liberation army ..............
    2. Gennady1973
      0
      20 September 2013 09: 12
      I support. As in a war one rifle for two. In the battle you will get!
      1. Avenger711
        +1
        20 September 2013 14: 05
        It was only in Germany in the 45th.
    3. Rex
      +5
      20 September 2013 09: 12
      Exactly - in one phrase literally "zach..ril" miln 20. our men ... And not only men!
    4. +1
      20 September 2013 09: 31
      Quote: vovich
      I do not understand ... is it our analysts think so or American?
      What kind of specialists are these who are not able to assess the mobility potential of Russia?
      3 million. How so ...


      Remind me what the current population in the Russian Federation is? -120 000 000 million people, maybe more? *

      So what kind of under-analysts paint such a dumb picture ?! If they consider themselves to be among the 3 million people, this is their problem. Under martial law, the "shoot" event will take effect. Let's see what these 000 million fucking analysts do then!

      PS we are waiting for new Kalash, comrades!
      1. +2
        20 September 2013 09: 50
        Let’s see how these 3 million freaking analysts do!

        Dumped abroad as soon as the smell of fried?
      2. +1
        20 September 2013 11: 08
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Remind me what the current population in the Russian Federation is? -120 000 000 million people, maybe more? *

        143 million or more.

        The article states that it’s 6,5 million with a raw resource.
        So let them change 1 to 3, as suggested.
      3. Avenger711
        +1
        20 September 2013 14: 07
        But doesn’t that an extra pack of Kalash, for which there will simply be no fighters, means that somewhere the very needed gun, truck, and even tank will not be enough?
      4. 0
        20 September 2013 16: 39
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Remind me what the current population in the Russian Federation is? -120 000 000 million people, maybe more? *


        18.09.2013/16/00, Moscow 45:1:2013 The number of permanent population of Russia on August 143,5, 132,2 amounted to 0,09 million people and since the beginning of the year has grown by 123,5 thousand people, or 0,08%. This is stated in the operational report of the Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat). As of the corresponding date of the previous year, the indicator also increased - by XNUMX thousand people, or by XNUMX%


        taken:http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/210849-chislennost-naseleniya-rossii-v-yanv
        are-iyule-2013g-vyrosla-do-1435-mln-chelovek.html
    5. eplewke
      +3
      20 September 2013 09: 56
      Well, exchanging junk for new trunks is a good idea! 3 old AKs for 1 new. I think even a very profitable deal ... And as for the mass, it’s also true. In the case (God forbid) of the occupation of our country, so that every peasant, old man and child had a Kalash ...
    6. Hon
      -3
      20 September 2013 12: 57
      What a large-scale war? With whom? Do you plan to fight back from small arms? Modern tools can cut a shelf from a safe distance with one blow, and this is not a weapon of mass destruction. Large-scale formations of manpower lose relevance in a large war.
      1. +3
        20 September 2013 13: 17
        Quote: Hon
        Large-scale formations of manpower lose relevance in a large war.

        You are naive. God is on the side of large battalions. And first, cutting shelves with impunity is very expensive, and secondly, advertising is not so worth believing.
        1. Hon
          0
          20 September 2013 16: 53
          Quote: bot.su
          You are naive. God is on the side of large battalions. And first, cutting shelves with impunity is very expensive, and secondly, advertising is not so worth believing.

          Then if we save the war?) I bet a million that we will lose, the enemy will not save. Iraq had an army with a large composition, but no sense, because large units are no longer cannon fodder, but simply statistics.
          1. +1
            20 September 2013 20: 23
            Quote: Hon
            Iraq had a large army in composition, but no sense

            Well then the Arabs. They have in their blood, when a strong enemy approaches, scatter through their desert. Better look at Vietnam.
            1. Hon
              +1
              20 September 2013 21: 42
              Quote: bot.su
              Well then the Arabs. They have in their blood, when a strong enemy approaches, scatter through their desert. Better look at Vietnam.

              And in Vietnam, troops were not used in large numbers, just as there was a guerrilla war, and the superiority of amers in the air was reduced not due to masses, but due to high-tech and at that time advanced air defense and fighter aircraft, as soon as the Vietnamese attempted full-scale military operations, their troops were defeated. The Americans, by the way, did not carry out any mobilization.
              As for the Arabs, during the Battle of Easting73, the Iraqis did not run anywhere, they burned in their tanks, and the amers who had the technological advantage did not care about their number. The Iraqis heroically defended Fallujah, and the amers simply burned everything there with white phosphorus. Quick and easy, and if there were at least ten divisions in Fallujah, the result would be the same, only the number of corpses would be greater. Having such means as "SMERCH", vacuum bombs, white phosphorus, napalm, you can nullify any number of infantry, you will not even feel the difference between a thousand and a million. This is not to mention weapons of mass destruction.
              The methods of warfare are changing, and a lot is becoming a thing of the past, automatic weapons appeared, and cavalry was gone, powerful artillery nullified the advantages of fortresses.
              1. 0
                21 September 2013 15: 18
                Quote: Hon
                And in Vietnam, troops were not used in large numbers, just the same there was a guerrilla war,

                The result is important.

                Quote: Hon
                Iraqis heroically defended Fallujah, and Amers simply burned everything there with white phosphorus

                Well, then it was necessary not to defend, but to attack, so that there was constant contact with the enemy. Then maybe the Americans used less white phosphorus. Relocate, think about engineering protection ... You can find a suitable screw for every tricky nut.

                Fortresses, by the way, still have not lost relevance. The 18th machine gun and artillery division, for example.
    7. Avenger711
      0
      20 September 2013 14: 05
      Here are just aviation and tank columns that reduce the time of war to days and weeks, rarely months, leaving no time to mobilize half of those involved in the Second World War, and that’s enough for 17kk barrels.
      Several million can be threaded and put, just the factories need sales of products.
  5. +29
    20 September 2013 08: 48
    A decent Russian man will provide living space for AK, SVD, RPG of any modifications; ammunition by agreement.
    Timely service guaranteed.
    We will agree on payment.
    1. Rex
      +12
      20 September 2013 09: 15
      It is even possible for "free safekeeping"
    2. +3
      20 September 2013 09: 28
      I’m also ready to take two or three small arms barrels and a couple of armored vehicles for safekeeping.
      I guarantee the safety "until the time of H". smile
      1. +4
        20 September 2013 10: 45
        I join the opinion. I have the ability to store one BMP and everything that is attached to it, including the AK kit.
        Everything will be in combat readiness and with full tanks.
        At the same time, I will provide a trained crew with a landing party, which once a year will gladly ride to the nearest shooting range for group exercises.
        When, finally, the rulers will no longer be afraid of their own subjects?
    3. ka5280
      +6
      20 September 2013 10: 29
      The best gift for February 23 is the ak-74m + gp-25, well, cartridges, grenades =) And for Tavolga’s birthday =)
      1. +3
        20 September 2013 10: 43
        And for the anniversary - BMP? smile
        1. +2
          20 September 2013 10: 47
          I would prefer TCP to go fishing. what
          1. 0
            20 September 2013 10: 53
            Oh, really. There you can actually build a house in the back. ))) By the way, we have sold TCP, for the 5th year already. I don’t know which one, I don’t really understand them.
        2. ka5280
          0
          20 September 2013 10: 50
          Well, you can and T-72 =)
  6. +4
    20 September 2013 08: 56
    Once there is nowhere to go let them give me a couple of trunks. need for a rainy day
  7. Airman
    +12
    20 September 2013 09: 02
    Serdyukovism gave deep roots, and many of his followers remained in the army. Someone in Well .... drifted (urgently needed to cut down the loot) and now they took up small arms. Let them sell second-hand, but there should be NZ in warehouses of 10-12 million units, except in 41, one three-line for 3 militias. Our bullshit has a very short memory.
    1. +2
      20 September 2013 09: 31
      otherwise, as in 41, one trilinear for 3 militias. Our bullshit has a very short memory.

      But they did not fight, did not take part in any conflicts. And Soviet films about the war are not fashionable to show or watch now.
      They would, like the heroes of the film "We are from the Future," back to the front!
      1. 0
        20 September 2013 09: 53
        And Soviet films about the war are not fashionable to show or watch now.

        Thank God this is being corrected. The Ministry of Defense bought a bunch of DVDs with films about the Second World War, Afghanistan, etc.
      2. Airman
        +1
        20 September 2013 10: 27
        Quote: Starover_Z

        They would, like the heroes of the film "We are from the Future," back to the front!

        What are you, these shit democrats would have all their pants in shit at the very first shots.
  8. Sirozha
    +7
    20 September 2013 09: 02
    Well, firstly, the army has to completely renew the "park" of weapons, otherwise we will succeed, as always, the soldiers will use the old trash, but we will throw the never-used weapons of storage under the orchestra into the smelting furnace!
    Secondly, to allow people to buy back, or, as in Switzerland, to create an army of self-defense, in which these weapons are stored at home permanently. Of course, illegal use should be considered here. But the weapon it disciplines in itself, people need to get used to the idea of ​​owning it.
  9. +1
    20 September 2013 09: 12
    Nowhere to go?
    I'll take a pair in good hands!
  10. +2
    20 September 2013 09: 17
    Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms in Russia is useless. The Ministry of Defense in case of war will be enough 3-4 million trunks in warehouses ...

    Some dumb analysts, probably they are from the word anal. Could at least see statistics on WWII.
    (http://protown.ru/information/hide/5507.html)
    Production of small arms in the USSR from July 1941 to August 1945
    Rifles and carbines, thousand pieces. - 12139,3
    Submachine guns, thousand units - 6173,9
    Machine guns of all kinds, thousand pieces. - 1515,9
  11. +1
    20 September 2013 09: 22
    Serdyukovs change, Serdyukovism remains.
  12. +4
    20 September 2013 09: 23
    Hand out to the public
  13. chaplain29
    +5
    20 September 2013 09: 24
    hmm, now, from my freshly issued "new" AK-74M (of which there are three pieces for the entire part, two of them shoot every other time from old age), I have to rip off the entire purchased kit before handing it over to the CWC, I can't store it like that, I imagine what will happen if they begin to supply naked AK-12s instead of AKSs. I remember that it almost came to the point that snipers were forced to remove the optics from the SVD before surrendering, "no patamushta according to the Charter!" I can't understand why they can't stick "dovetails" on the AKS in order to hang a collimator (more for a machine gun, in general, nothing is needed), and even give them to conscripts for intensive training (not three cartridges a month to shmalnit, but really intense).
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 11: 43
      What?! ??!

      AK-74M shoots through time?)))))

      What the hell are you talking about?
      About the canopy, which must be removed.
      So you serve in the authorized army or in what militia? The charter is a law; it is impossible to fulfill one part of the charter and not to execute the other. Otherwise, this is not an army, but a bunch.

      pysy. And what about SVD? Well, it’s so SO DIFFICULT to remove the sight? That poor unfortunate snipers installed them for half a year, shot for a year, and now everything’s on the road?
  14. Rex
    0
    20 September 2013 09: 27
    "came out with the support of the proposal, according to which the state corporation" Rostekhnologii "is going to provide the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with 1 new AK-12 assault rifle in exchange for 3 assault rifles belonging to the old generations, which will be withdrawn from military warehouses"

    It’s a normal idea

    "According to the official, there are two models that will differ in caliber (7,62 and 5,45)"

    It is not clear why.

    "On the basis of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, an excellent competitive position was once created - the Saiga 12-gauge self-loading carbine. Today this weapon is very popular in the American market, including among police units," the Russian Deputy Prime Minister stressed.

    Great example of great exaggeration
  15. +5
    20 September 2013 09: 29
    Send to the demobilization of those who served with weapons and a point, and then every year conduct retraining fences with these weapons. In pre-revolutionary Russia, the population had a huge amount of both rifled and smooth-bore and short-barreled weapons, and the number of crimes with the use of a firearm was very low.
  16. +5
    20 September 2013 09: 30
    Sell ​​to the public. Men who have served in the army, are mentally healthy, with the provision of the opportunity to go to the training ground to "shoot". I think they will be snapped up in a couple of months. You look and the crime will decrease.
  17. +6
    20 September 2013 09: 31
    There is the experience of the Russian Empire when they switched from berdanas to mosquitoes. Many berdanas have been redone
    under hunting, which even now can be seen among some zealous hunters in the Far East -
    I personally saw among the Old Believers between Khabarovsk and Komsomolsk on the Amur. And there is world experience in the distribution - he served his homeland - get the barrel legally with a military record.
  18. Vrungel78
    -3
    20 September 2013 09: 39
    Also, in his opinion, old assault rifles could be used to create civilian weapons samples on their basis
    Well, that’s helping lobbyists and supporters of the possession of weapons by the civilian population. All this modernization of the army’s weapons fleet boils down to selling outdated models to civilian ones. Lord, educate them.
  19. 0
    20 September 2013 09: 39
    Sell ​​to normal peasants in the household will come in handy.
  20. +3
    20 September 2013 09: 43
    In schools, restore the lessons of CWP, so there will be benefits from the old samples. And then the youth of the elementary grades runs after lessons with plastic "Chinese". And if there were lessons with real weapons, it would be a different matter. And the retirees would have a job!
    1. +6
      20 September 2013 11: 49
      I remember at school we had not only Kalash, there was even a three-line (carbine), there were SKS, PPSh, tar with a pancake, "small things" and we sorted it all out in class, twisted it in our hands as much as we wanted ... The teacher just put them on every lesson regardless of the topic. How much joy it gave us, guys! I always remember with warmth Khrum-Khrumych (Bgano Harum Kasimovich - health and long years to him)
  21. +2
    20 September 2013 09: 43
    Americans don’t even destroy old planes - they send them to eternal storage in the desert. Weapons are never superfluous.
  22. +6
    20 September 2013 09: 44
    and the time will come that the price of ammunition and food will be ..... the past does not teach our leaders anything ...
  23. Rex
    +6
    20 September 2013 09: 46
    Nightmare of the Pentagon and NATO as a whole - the hungry, evil and drunk population of Russia, all armed with Kalash laughing
    Cheap, not high, uncontrollable - thriller of the year laughing
    1. +2
      20 September 2013 10: 11
      the hungry, evil, and drunk population of Russia is fully armed with Kalash ..... Cheap, low, uncontrollable - thriller of the year

      Well, this will be the beating of NATO. And if you still give out rounds of ammunition, it’s as if genocide will turn out ...
  24. field_07
    +3
    20 September 2013 09: 48
    You might think that they are asking for food !!! And 3-4 million. Only in the Southern Federal District is enough))) Interestingly, and the rest with slingshots will be injuries or)))
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 10: 12
      Well, how small are you ... everyone knows what.
      1. +1
        20 September 2013 14: 27
        Retreating from the classics sung by Dostoevsky ... an ax.
  25. Shellback
    +6
    20 September 2013 10: 01
    Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms of Russia is useless. The Ministry of Defense in case of war is enough 3-4 million trunks in warehouses, the remaining copies must either be sold for export, or upgraded, or disposed of. Konstantin Makienko, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, notes that Russia simply does not physically have such a large number of people who are ready to take up more 3 million automata in the event of war. In addition, all modern conflicts suggest the availability of bets on the use of precision weapons and professional military, the massive use of mobilization reserves is simply not intended.

    These "comrades" are from the same detachment as analysts who claim that Russia does not need nuclear weapons in such quantities, 50 ICBMs are enough. And these would-be experts do not know such a word - stock? And the damage and wear and tear of weapons during hostilities? Then give the soldiers Berdanks? Or a pitchfork? The figure of 3 million is taken from the ceiling. Yes, and I think our women will want to take up arms in case of war, as in the Second World War. Such experts should be driven with a nasty broom and then judged. On the eve of the Le Bourget air show, one thinker from the Russian expert military community I jumped out that our military aviation is bad and worthless. This is a sabotage against our country and an attempt to spoil our aviation on the eve of the most prestigious air show and break contracts. Unfortunately, this is a problem in almost all spheres. High-precision weapons are very good, but first they need to be made, tested and put into war in the necessary quantities. And these very troops must be trained to work with the WTO. And here they are, here they are, ready for battle at any second. Unpretentious and reliable. Who do they interfere with? Our enemies, who, through the mouth of purchased experts, impose criminal actions on us.
  26. +2
    20 September 2013 10: 07
    To whom, it is interesting, again the pocket is pulling, who are these "analysts", not from the CIA, by chance? Whenever this fidgeting over surplus weapons begins, it resembles the sawing off of the property of the Ministry of Defense, and now the Russian Academy, coincides with the whine about the legalization of military weapons in Russia. They want to make money on everything, thieves and traitors.
  27. Shellback
    +8
    20 September 2013 10: 15
    And the most interesting thing. What a rotten approach they have chosen: the enemies think that if this criminal thought is voiced by foreigners, the people will immediately take it with hostility, and if by Russian experts, then it seems like normal. Supposedly "ours will not advise bad things." Who are they holding us for?

    Quote: Shellback
    Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko

    Mr. Makeenko who has not served in the army for a day and most likely did not even hold weapons in his hands will tell us about the destruction of Russia's strategic stock of small arms? When does the war knock on the door of Russia? Who will call us smart if we do this? And most importantly, what will we fight with? If the factories producing small arms are destroyed, all hope is only for reserves and warehouses.
    1. Vrungel78
      +4
      20 September 2013 10: 29
      His surname is very similar to McCain. And he thinks there too.
      1. Shellback
        +5
        20 September 2013 10: 41
        Quote: Vrungel78
        His surname is very similar to McCain. And he thinks there too.

        You can understand McCain, he is an open enemy and does not hide it. And this one ... seems to be his own, but in fact "theirs".
    2. +3
      20 September 2013 12: 18
      Quote: Shellback
      ... Allegedly, "ours will not advise bad." Who are they holding us for?

      Now the merchants are in power in Russia, that's why we live. They will sell it, they will fill their pockets with money and run away. And in case of a big mess, they will use Soviet slogans, covering them with their bestial capitalist grin. request
      1. Shellback
        +1
        20 September 2013 12: 35
        So it is likely to be request
    3. maklaut007
      +1
      20 September 2013 13: 34
      look at the face of the Racean intellectual pederast, and remember, it may flicker when this is in sight
  28. Rex
    +1
    20 September 2013 10: 26
    On the topic of victorious speeches about increasing sales of "Saiga" in the United States, sounding not for the first year - with the recently announced TOTAL volume of production of civilian weapons at the level of $ 12 million per year, the share of "Saiga" in the state market with a turnover of more than $ 4 billion well. .. just "HUGE"
  29. +3
    20 September 2013 10: 27
    the machinations of the west, that's for sure
  30. +2
    20 September 2013 10: 32
    And if it happens that we will again look for weapons and remake training in combat.
  31. +5
    20 September 2013 10: 39
    Distribute to the Russian people! and immediately restore order
  32. +2
    20 September 2013 10: 53
    Suddenly! )
  33. +1
    20 September 2013 11: 04
    So I am always amazed when, as always, conversations begin that a lot of money is needed to dispose of obsolete machines ... Just as usual, someone will cut some money! In my opinion, ONE stove of a metallurgical plant will be enough for disposal, but an automatic machine is not a TANK — it does not take up much space ... In general, a new automatic machine is needed, they say the return is less, and the accuracy of fire is higher ... I agree, several holes in the enemy is always better than one!
    1. Rex
      +1
      20 September 2013 11: 23
      Quote: agent xnumx
      .And in general, a new machine is needed, they say the return is less, and the accuracy of fire is higher ... I agree, several holes in the enemy are always better than one!


      Better a runaway solitary.
      With all the balanced automation, the spread of the queue at distances over 100 m will still be great. and over 300 is impractical. Unless for group purpose
  34. +3
    20 September 2013 11: 08
    Those who have developed the resource should be disposed of, and the rest must be stored and still done! There aren’t many weapons, so that you don’t have to give Berdanki, axes, etc.
  35. +3
    20 September 2013 11: 10
    It is reported that at present about 16 million trunks of various small arms have accumulated in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, most of which are just Kalashnikovs. Moreover, almost 6,5 million of them have already exhausted their entire resource.

    Ah, here I do not understand. 6,5mln with a WORKED! Resource is stored in warehouses, WHY !? In order to hand out the defective weapons to the reservists in the event of a military conflict? And report, they say they are all armed? I think it’s time to shake the Defense Ministry’s rear service well, look, a lot of bugs will sprinkle.
  36. +2
    20 September 2013 11: 15
    Amer still keeps the trousers of the tsar’s order of the period of World War 1 and doesn’t take a steam bath, and then the Soviet trunks from the putneys were not like now, these fuckers would tear their heads off. They lie and let it lie so calm.
  37. +2
    20 September 2013 11: 16
    He studied at the end of the 60-th years at the Kharkov Military Aviation School of Communications. Once our platoon was sent to an armory. They ordered to load large boxes on cars. During the break we opened one box. There were brand new PPSh, filled with gun grease. There were a huge number of them. And how many such warehouses were throughout the USSR? Do not count.To our question: where they are being taken, we were briefly answered: "to Africa". Therefore, we have experience of where to "attach" illiquid weapons.
    1. Rex
      +1
      20 September 2013 12: 53
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      ] There were brand new PPSh, filled with gun grease. [/ B] There were a huge number of them. [/ b]


      the same thing at the Tula plant in the early 90s
  38. +2
    20 September 2013 11: 20
    But of course, I must add that when they say that 16 of millions of automatic machines is a lot, it’s ridiculous for me ... To see little space in Mother Russia for storing automatic machines ... Yes, any oligarch has money bags taking up more space ...
  39. +4
    20 September 2013 11: 33
    Bl ...... There are no normal words. How much can you step on the same rake? Theorists of war ... All war went on contrary to theories, and it was already in the process to make up for what the heretics destroyed or were not allowed to create.
  40. +7
    20 September 2013 11: 54
    3-4 million barrels is a necessary minimum in case of war ... The stock of personal weapons should be 4 times the personnel of the state army ... Now the army is just about a million, except for other security officials ... In case of war, the army at the expense of those mobilized, it will grow up to 5 million (we’ll hardly expose more), the soldier will die on the field along with personal weapons, he will not be able to transfer his trunk to the newly arrived ... Given such rotation, such simple arithmetic of the required number of weapons is added .. .We need 20 million trunks at least (!!!) it turns out ... And also keep in mind that a potential adversary has 1 trunk for each resident of his country ... For each, from a baby to a deep old man ... And here are some then the excess reserves are counted ...
  41. +11
    20 September 2013 12: 00
    Create a system of reservists, each give out a uniform, a weapon and a safe for storage. The mobilization readiness of the Armed Forces will increase, and the police will become more polite.
    1. 0
      20 September 2013 13: 56
      There is already a system of reservists.
  42. +3
    20 September 2013 12: 05
    Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms in Russia is useless.
    Here they are, the voices of the traitors of my homeland ....
  43. +2
    20 September 2013 12: 10
    This Makeenko either, or a traitor and in general - we have some special services that should deal with such entities, why not take this center (and he’s probably not alone) into development, where does the funding come from, if Makeenko then drive him filthy broom for such analytics and put there adekvat and patriot - really there are none left? And if he is an enemy and skin - then to the bunk, to learn to love the homeland. I think so . And with weapons, you need to do this: to restore NVP lessons in schools (as already suggested), give them all the training, leave some to army warehouses (for replacement), and part to retail - only to Russian citizens who have served urgent, criminal and etc. And then: time does not squeeze us, we don’t ask for porridge weapons, we need to calmly sit down and sort this matter out, in a businesslike and smart way, and not listen to any dubious analysts
  44. 0
    20 September 2013 12: 11
    The next war is likely to affect not only people serving in the army, but also many others. Something I doubt that people who hold senior posts in the ministry of defense and in the army itself are able to adequately distribute the forces entrusted to them in the event of a global war. stuff their pockets with available resources. Most likely, a lot of people will die before these posts are occupied by military generals and admirals, who, though tiny, have a chance to win. God forbid if I'm wrong.
  45. Stasi
    +1
    20 September 2013 12: 17
    Obsolete AK-74 can be successfully sold after repair to other countries, to replace the ancient AK-47, which is in service. And the proceeds from the sale should be used to purchase new weapons for our army. That’s what everyone does. Americans, for example, repair their old stuff, bring it into salable condition and successfully sell it, and send the money to purchase new weapons. We also offer not to repair obsolete equipment for sale, but simply to cut it into scrap metal. No one will get any profit from this. Do not forget that even outdated Russian equipment and weapons that have been repaired will be able to compete with new Western weapons. This allows us to make inherent design and engineering solutions that make our weapons one of the best in the world. It is hoped that the era of Gaidar, who ordered to cut submarines and rivet pans out of them, will not happen again.
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 12: 38
      - And not only weapons - uniforms and equipment too! On the military second-hand market, there are samples of the 50s (!) Years of production. Here people really consider a pretty penny.
    2. 0
      20 September 2013 15: 11
      Quote: Stasi
      We also offer not to repair obsolete equipment for sale, but simply to cut it into scrap metal. No one will get any profit from this.

      Ahaha))) Will not get profit? No one?? Well, you fell from the moon! They will get the dough involved in the topic normally, for them you can be calm ...
      Does the FSB work for us, or what? The country's defenses insolently undermine - and silence ...
  46. albanech
    +1
    20 September 2013 12: 17
    No need to divide into old and new - both shoot better than any other! You can sell part of Syria to confront the United States! You can simply put as they say until better times, they do not ask to eat! And in cases of which each of us will receive his own machine gun and there will not be two fighters - one gun for two and a knife with a gun with one cartridge! Think dear politicians that the world needs a weak Russia - we must accumulate to counter the US! Let the United States fear, and not spread its der * okraty in the world!
  47. 0
    20 September 2013 12: 19
    Almost every month I read such news, and I am amazed at the idiocy and boundless thirst for dough in the "power".
    As the war starts, I saw this "power".
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  49. 0
    20 September 2013 12: 49
    The picatinny rail certainly looks cool, but. Assume the available stocks of sights for the old mount, where to put it. How quickly stocks of body kits for the new mount will be accumulated, what will happen in the transition period. Two calibers of the new machine mean that they will be in the same unit at once, or how, obviously, problems will arise in logistics.
  50. 0
    20 September 2013 12: 50
    Someone is ready to take with pleasure, and someone is already keeping laughing
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 13: 35
      Some are lucky.
  51. +1
    20 September 2013 12: 55
    Where do they sign up to receive an AK? Who's last? Isn’t there a surplus of 105s? Okay, I’ll gladly take the 74th too... Otherwise I’m scared to walk the streets in the evening. And I’ll feel more confident on the roads.
    1. 0
      20 September 2013 12: 58
      Quote: Manul
      Where do you sign up to receive an AK?
      If you find out, send me a personal message. I think that AKMS or AKSU will not be superfluous on the farm Yes ...
  52. Rex
    +1
    20 September 2013 13: 17
    Quote: chunga-changa
    Open your eyes and go to the gun shop at last.
    Semi-automatic weapons based on AK and SVD, and cartridges for them, are sold everywhere and completely legally, what is the problem. .


    Yes, if you want and have the money, you can buy a decommissioned armored personnel carrier.
    For some reason the machine guns are being removed belay
    The problem is that we want freebies wink
    Moreover, we subconsciously expect that, complete with the AK, they will give for storage PG-25/30, RPG-7, PKM and other things YET (apparently due to a misunderstanding) that have not been converted into hunting and sporting versions wink
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 13: 24
      - GP-25 in hunting version... Oh wow! Give me two! wassat
    2. 0
      20 September 2013 13: 32
      RPG-7 converted into hunting or sporting? Damn, I want to see this. After the tank biathlon, you can expect skeet shooting with RPGs.
  53. Rex
    0
    20 September 2013 13: 28
    Quote: Rex
    [and other things YET (apparently due to a misunderstanding) not converted into hunting and sporting options wink


    How the RG-6 was presented, converted into a traumatic vehicle - song laughing
  54. +1
    20 September 2013 13: 39
    Where to go...? Yes, send them to schools for classes on CVP. Or is NVP no longer needed?
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 14: 08
      Needed! Much needed!
  55. 0
    20 September 2013 13: 42
    Quote: AtenON
    You can also convert it into an airsoft, many would like such a drive, I know that Izhmash is already doing this, but why do it if you can remake and sell abroad there, many would give a substantial amount.

    IZHMASH does not make them. The money was cut off and the project was frozen.
  56. maklaut007
    +3
    20 September 2013 13: 42
    Tsar Father was not afraid of his people, Comrade Stalin was not afraid of his people. Both were autocrats, emperors. So maybe it’s time to drive out the liberals with a filthy broom and again the autocracy, so that the authorities are not afraid of their people. Kings don't need to steal. This is all theirs. But it is impossible to wean liberals from theft. Just destroy. True, the bulk of these libeast-pederasts are Jews. Well, I think we can handle it. Stalin managed it.
    1. ROA
      ROA
      +1
      20 September 2013 17: 27
      In the USSR they were afraid of their people. Before the revolution, almost everyone had a firearm, and it was sold freely.
  57. +2
    20 September 2013 13: 43
    It didn’t seem like enough to return NVPs to schools back then
  58. -3
    20 September 2013 13: 52
    distribute these machine guns to participants of rallies on Bolotnaya and the like, let them kill each other already))))))))
  59. Rex
    0
    20 September 2013 14: 00
    2025 g
    “The Kalashnikov Concern has announced that a new type of hunting weapon, the Saiga Mini, will soon go on sale.
    This sample is a commercial version of the OTs-14 "Groza" being disposed of as part of the conversion.
    The use of SP-5SP-6 cartridges allows you to effectively hit large animals at a distance of up to 100 m.
    Increased demand for Saiga Mini is expected in the US market, where potential buyers are looking forward to this model for hunting bison and grizzly bears.
    The optional under-barrel grenade launcher will successfully replace your rocket launcher, and can also be used to launch holiday fireworks."
    1. 0
      20 September 2013 14: 08
      The optional under-barrel grenade launcher will successfully replace your rocket launcher, and can also be used to launch holiday fireworks."

      This is not a shabby option... How much does it weigh? 1.2 kilos I think? Let out the stars....
      1. Rex
        +1
        20 September 2013 14: 24
        Well... there are some shortcomings...
        But they can be turned into advantages.
        “The apparent massiveness of the product allows it to be used as a hammer, which only expands the scenarios for its use.
        Experts who tested this sample note the special ergonomics of the handle."
        1. 0
          20 September 2013 14: 27
          The apparent massiveness of the product allows it to be used as a hammer

          Oh, yeah... I forgot for a minute where we live. They smiled. good
          1. Rex
            0
            20 September 2013 14: 38
            on the "Groza" it is of course without a handle, but it's a joke...
  60. +3
    20 September 2013 14: 04
    For a long time, any Kazakh (man) in his house should have had a saber, a quiver of arrows with a bow, a spear and warrior armor. Why? They could attack at any moment (as in principle now) and any man or boy went to war, not like in Europe where there are separate knights and separate peasants, with us every man is a warrior!

    Based on this principle, I would distribute Kalash to all of our people; I would be more confident about the country in the event of war.
  61. 0
    20 September 2013 14: 08
    a party of thieves and swindlers can create assault troops, equip them with these weapons and drive us into corrals. Oh, something completely pessimistic.... wassat
  62. +7
    20 September 2013 14: 15
    “At the same time, almost 6,5 million of them have already exhausted their entire resource”... which does not add up in arithmetic... if the army did not actually shoot until recently... or only fired on paper???... then there are huge questions for counterintelligence and the military prosecutor's office. The barrel resource is about 15 rounds multiplied by 000 barrels... this is a crazy figure of 6 rounds... even to assume that the army fired 500 for 000 years, all up to a single person, from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to a soldier from a construction battalion, and even then there are 97 rounds of ammunition per barrel or 500 rounds per day... do you believe it... that our president fires his allotted 000 rounds of ammunition every day. And the army also has pistols and machine guns, and not only Kalashnikov assault rifles.
    “Russia simply physically does not have such a number of people who are ready to pick up more than 3 million machine guns in the event of war.”... what kind of defeatist sentiments, what kind of lack of faith in its own citizens... if there are 6 drug addicts in the country, this is not a reason to slander the rest of the male... and not only the population of the country.
    Just another nonsense, and that’s all.
    1. Rex
      0
      20 September 2013 17: 24
      Quote: Strashila
      "... if there are 6 drug addicts in the country, this is not a reason to bring false accusations against the rest of the male... and not only the population of the country.


      But it’s a no-no to offend our drug addicts!!!
      Moreover, the simultaneous attack of even 1 million stoned and stoned people, full-length rushing at machine guns, is comparable in combat effectiveness to the use of tactical nuclear weapons!
      6 million soldiers of the NAR (drug-addicted army reserve) will tear 200 thousand Marine Corps to shreds, and the “berets” of the rangers, “SEALs”, coupled with the 82nd and 101st, will simply be trampled underfoot without even being able to see them while running! good
  63. Volkhov
    0
    20 September 2013 14: 30
    It's just that the military reserves have run out, and the terrorists need to be supplied - so they're starting to take from the army reserves.
    Each terrorist needs 2 machine guns - 1 in a training camp, the other in Syria, with supplies through smuggling and the same number going to the left. With a population of 200 thousand in Syria and a life cycle of 3 months. we need 800 thousand AKs per quarter, 8 for the period of the war... the military reserves have run out, there is nothing in warehouses, the army needs to be disarmed.
  64. 0
    20 September 2013 15: 01
    In the event of a war with the Tang, which is very likely lately, 16 million AK-74Ms will not even be enough to arm all combat-ready citizens.
  65. +2
    20 September 2013 15: 51
    That pleasant and rare case happened when no one argues with anyone. Everyone is against disarmament. This means that all is not lost for Russia. But the cut-up sawers should tremble, if anything happens - the front sight on the AK is not small!
  66. -2
    20 September 2013 16: 25
    Quote: mejik
    Quote: Denis
    Let them be already released

    That's the problem! Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.

    Yes, you give your Belgorod shooter in every city!
    1. +2
      20 September 2013 16: 56
      Vice versa. If people had weapons, such a shooter would be immobilized after the first shots.
      1. -2
        20 September 2013 18: 09
        Well, who are you telling these tales to? To each other on this site if only. They would immobilize, every passer-by is a potential sobrite...
        1. 0
          21 September 2013 03: 27
          Dear, in the USA, in states where it is legal to openly carry weapons freely, there is a meager crime rate, since bandits will think 40 times about doing something and at the same time get caught in the crossfire of the law-abiding population. Of course, there are scumbags, but real statistics rarely deceive, on average confirming what was written above.
          1. 0
            21 September 2013 15: 14
            I never cease to be amazed at the naivety of our population laughing
            In the USA, if a person shoots a criminal in the territory of his apartment, or on private territory around his house, a criminal case is not even opened. In the United States, the culture of owning firearms has been developed for over 300 years. And then, there is more and more talk about limiting the issuance of weapons to the population.
            Can you tell me how it is with us? In my city, a few years ago, 2 gopniks climbed into a tent guarded by a security guard, he tried to detain them, a fight broke out, he gave one away, he somehow fell unsuccessfully and died, the second one ran away. And this security guard got 2 years for doing his job.
            1. 0
              21 September 2013 18: 58
              Quote: Letun
              And then, there is more and more talk about limiting the issuance of weapons to the population.

              They say one thing, but the statistics say something else:

              "USA
              Professor David Mustard recently published in the Journal of Law and Economics the results of a study according to which, in states where citizens are allowed to carry weapons, the number of police killings is reduced by two percent annually.
              Research was conducted by an independent United States institute, the University of Chicago. In the states Where it is legal to carry a concealed weapon, the overall crime rate is 22 percent lower, the homicide rate is 33 percent lower, the robbery rate is 37 percent lower, and the serious bodily injury rate is 14 percent lower.
              In those states of America that allow the secret carrying of weapons, citizens kill twice as many criminals as police officers.
              According to statistics in those states of America where citizens are allowed to carry weapons covertly, the overall level of violent crimes is BELOW 18% compared with states where weapons are prohibited. The murder rate in the “armed” states is BELOW by 33%, robberies - by 37%.
              Of the 50 U.S. states, 31 can carry weapons covertly, with 22 accepting such permission in the past 10 years, and 11 in the last 2 years.
              Between 1973 and 1992, homicide rates in the United States fell by 10%. At the same time, over the same period, the number of trunks in the population grew by 73% - from 122 to 222 million units! This is the entire barrel, and the number of owners of precisely pistols and revolvers increased by as much as 110% - from 37 to 78 million units!
              In states where weapons are forbidden to carry, 289,7 killings per 100 population are committed. In states where secret carrying of weapons is permitted, 000 cases of killings per 183,1 population. Half as much!
              State of florida. In 1987, it allowed citizens to buy weapons. Since then, state crime has fallen by 21%, while in the country as a whole it has grown by 12%.
              In Washington, the capital of the United States, since 1976 the authorities have banned the ownership of pistols and revolvers. Crime in the capital has tripled, while the national average crime has increased by 12% over the same period...............
              1. 0
                21 September 2013 19: 01
                Continued:
                ......New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and Washington are home to just five percent of the country's population, but account for 15 percent of all murders. These are the cities that have the most brutal gun laws.

                The second amendment of the US Constitution reads: "... the right of people to store and carry weapons should not be infringed." 7 out of 10 adult Americans enjoy their constitutional right, with about 150 million weapons in their hands. The Kennea-co City Council (Georgia) obliged household heads to keep at least one firearm. Over the 16 years of the application of this act, three murders occurred in the city: two with a knife (1984 and 1987) and one with the use of firearms (1987).
                Official statistics from developed countries indicate an increase in the murder rate as the right to bear and store weapons becomes more stringent. With twice the population of the United States, the murder rate as of 1993 was USA - 23 thousand, Russia - 29 thousand, There are twice as many police officers killed in Russia than police officers in the United States. Only three percent of legally purchased guns are used for criminal purposes.
                The main causes of fatal accidents in the United States in 2001:
                Auto-vehicles ----------- 42 900 people
                Poisoning ----------------------------------------- 14 500
                Falls from a height -------------------------------- 14 200
                Accidents related to suffocation (choking on food, etc.) - 4 200
                Fire and other sources of fire and smoke --- 3 900
                Firearms --------------------------- 800
                FBI statistics show that since the mid-1990s, the number of cases of gun violence in the United States has been gradually declining. The peak was recorded in 1993 - almost 40 thousand such cases throughout the country. At the same time, according to researchers from the University of Chicago, if local legislators allow citizens to own firearms, then the number of murders in the relevant states (there are 32 of 50 such states in America) decreases by an average of 8 percent, rapes - by 5 percent, robberies - by 7 percent. Indeed, the level of violent crime in such states is significantly lower than the US average.....
                1. 0
                  21 September 2013 19: 03
                  Continued:
                  ....At the same time, in the US capital Washington in 1976, it was prohibited to own firearms. By 1991, the robbery rate had tripled, although the national average had increased by 12 percent. Another major US city, Chicago, also bans firearms and has more murders than any other city in the country.
                  Police statistics show that owners of firearms are much less likely to be victims of robberies and attacks. It is curious that the use of firearms as a means of self-defense quite rarely ends with the shedding of blood. On average, in only 1 percent of cases, the offender is injured and in a tenth of a percent of cases, he is killed.
                  In some states, possession of weapons has been restricted to the walls of a home. And according to police statistics, street violence jumped sharply there. Especially at the same time, the most vulnerable sections of the population — pensioners and young women — suffered. As soon as the right to bear arms was returned to citizens, the growth curve of this kind of crime fell.


                  And in some places in the United States, for example, gun ownership is mandatory. In 1980, the City Hall of Kennesaw, Georgia, issued a decree requiring homeowners to keep at least one firearm in their home. As a result, from 1980 to 2000, Kennesaw's population increased from 5000 to 21000. In the same twenty years, there were only three murders in the city: two using knives (in 1984 and 1987) and only one using firearms (1997). After the law entered into force in 1982, the number of crimes against an individual in Kennesaw decreased by 74 percent compared to 1981, and in 1983 by another 45 percent compared to 1982, and has remained impressively low ever since. . The crime rate in Kennesaw declined only from the realization that the entire urban community was armed. A similar decree was passed in 2001 in Virgin, Utah.
                  At the same time, not one of the leading American media outlets devoted a serious publication to the situation in Kennesaw. From the point of view of NRA supporters, Kennesaw’s example proves that the presence of firearms does enhance public order and security. But opponents of weapons do not agree with this and consider Kennesaw an annoying exception to the rule. From the point of view of the supporters of the HGC, weapons are an absolute evil and the main cause of violence. And therefore, in their information campaigns, they try not to mention Kennesaw.
                  In 1993, 23 murders were committed in the United States, and 300 in Russia (this is without taking into account the cunning of domestic criminal statistics, hiding even twice as many violent deaths in the column with the hypocritical name “grievous bodily harm that led to death”).
                  Oklahoma's laws, which allowed homeowners to use force no matter how small the threat, cut the number of robberies by nearly half after they were enacted 15 years ago."
  67. opl34
    +1
    20 September 2013 16: 42
    If we ignore global problems, we will see that the warrior in the photo has not been subjected to hazing for a long time for! Habitual! resting the weapon with the magazine on the ground.) Happy Friday everyone!
  68. 0
    20 September 2013 17: 12
    Wrap up a couple. There will always be time under the pressure.
  69. Postovoi
    +1
    20 September 2013 17: 17
    Comrades, my personal opinion is that if at one time they had not switched to 5.45, I think the situation would be a little different now, analyze one simple example, that’s why in Syria or even in Africa there are Kalash with a caliber of 7.62? Who needs 5.45 abroad? This is where all the trouble comes from, even Mikhail Timofeevich himself was against the transition to 5.45 caliber and I completely agree with his opinion.
  70. vietnam7
    +1
    20 September 2013 17: 18
    Read Fedorov (who created the world’s first assault rifle and the concept of an intermediate cartridge), before the First World War they also calculated how many rifles were needed, taking into account mobilization and losses. And then it turned out there were enough supplies for a couple of months, and then they rushed to buy weapons from the Japanese-Americans, etc., etc. History repeats itself and seems to teach little.
    1. ROA
      ROA
      0
      20 September 2013 17: 30
      Well, yes, there were so few weapons that there was enough for the First World War, Civil War, Finnish War and World War II.
  71. -1
    20 September 2013 17: 19
    Under no circumstances should you sell rifled weapons to the Russian population, because then a change of power could occur.
    1. 0
      21 September 2013 03: 34
      So you want to say that the smooth-bore does not kill or does it more humanely, but only intimidates and stops?
      Have you heard about a bullet - a 12 or 16 gauge dart originally made specifically for a smoothbore for additional accuracy when shooting? You don’t need any rifled barrel; it can pierce through any armored vehicle from 100 meters, along with the body and a huge piece of meat!
  72. 0
    20 September 2013 18: 28
    If everyone tells us that we have no enemies
    and Russia doesn’t need so many bayonets,
    if the secrets are sold out, the shelves are cut down
    THIS MEANS WAR OUR ENEMIES ARE PREPARING FOR US
  73. Penek
    0
    20 September 2013 18: 53
    I remember that in the early 90s there was information that dismissed officers would retain the right to own personal weapons. True or not, the father commanders managed to grab the SKS. At the same time, perestroika degenerated into a shootout. IMHO - if we are going to reduce the population by at least 50%, then we need to sell (or transfer to private individuals) rifled weapons.
  74. AlexP47
    +2
    20 September 2013 18: 53
    A very strange story: officials suddenly became concerned about stockpiles of weapons that were quite suitable for combat and did not require special expenses for their storage. Even more strange are the proposals to dismantle millions of weapons for spare parts, while the number of regular small arms in the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. at best it costs hundreds of thousands. Such a number of spare parts is simply not needed by definition. And how much will such a “disassembly” cost? And most importantly WHY? Who needed to urgently liquidate the mobilization reserve of the “shooter”? Convert it into Saiga and sell it on the arms market? It’s simply impossible to sell so much! Yes, even if it were possible, then it would be more profitable for enterprises to sell a product of a full production cycle, rather than a “remake.”

    From this conclusion, what our “elite” fears most in the world is not external or internal enemies, but its own armed people! The cat knows whose meat it ate! angry
  75. 0
    20 September 2013 19: 03
    Kalash in the hands of men in Russia is a nightmare of CIA analysts in the USA or their department called “experts” in Russia. I wonder if this center is included in the list of foreign agents or if they are still evading registration.
  76. 0
    20 September 2013 19: 06
    ...True or not, the father commanders managed to grab the SKS.
    SKS-power!!! Magnificent weapon! It seems that at 200m with your eyes closed you can hit the top ten. By the way, the theoretical rate of fire is 600 rounds per minute!
  77. 0
    20 September 2013 19: 10
    "An old horse won't spoil the furrow." (With)
    Just don’t throw in your slippers right away. It happened to me once while serving as a company duty officer that I was stuck without a shift for a month. So, I spent almost all my free time in the gun. I'll explain why. We had three platoons - commandant, headquarters and vehicle platoon. So, we, the commandants, were armed with AKMs, and in the pyramids near the headquarters and carriers there were AK-47s, model 51. Moreover, those who have never been on guard duty, during shooting or during exercises are completely new. These are the ones I admired. Firstly, it felt like this was a handmade, piece-made weapon. One milled receiver was worth it. In every detail, even the smallest detail, a human hand was visible, and everything was done for the army, and therefore with love. The processing of the butt, fore-end, bayonet - the knife is much more elegant and thinner, by the way, of a completely different shape. Yes, it seemed to me that it was much better balanced. And now, how to destroy such a thing? I would love to have it at home.
  78. +1
    20 September 2013 19: 45
    16 million akm - yes, this is a lost reserve. over the hill, a real Kalash is very valuable compared to clones and costs 10000 greens. Analysts are approaching this fat piece, I really want to cut it for disposal.
  79. +2
    20 September 2013 19: 45
    There should be enough small arms in the country to arm everyone, including kindergarteners and retired grandmothers! Therefore, let the guns lie in warehouses, tea is not rockets, they don’t ask to eat...
  80. +1
    20 September 2013 19: 45
    Where to put the machine guns? Distribute to the people of Russia
    1. 0
      20 September 2013 20: 54
      Just take it and give it to everyone? Psychos, drunks, drug addicts, criminals. Sports fans (not those who run, swim, and swing themselves, but those who organize showdowns in stadiums and near them, like “we are Spartak and you are Mr.”). Everyone has been “thrown away” and “conned” for loot, apartments, and so as not to be offended - to scammers and scammers (well, although these, quite possibly, already have guns). Yes, just normal hard workers, but who haven’t seen a salary for months.
      And distributing it is the same with cartridges. And don’t waste time on trifles - not a store for everyone, but at least zinc. Well, guess how soon these cartridges will be exhausted? Yes, not at paper targets, but at living ones.
  81. +1
    20 September 2013 19: 55
    Have you thought about exporting? Real Soviet AKMs, even from the 1960s, will soon displace Romanian, Yugoslav, and Chinese clones from the American market. At the same time, licensing old ones is even easier than new ones, since they will go through the Curio & Relic category, i.e. collectible. At the same time, in the USA, unlike gayropa, collectible weapons do not have to be deactivated; there is no need to follow an example - Mosin rifles and Nagant revolvers are quite popular and widespread here, they are subject to a C&R license, while many use them for hunting, self-defense, or like me - just shoot at the shooting range. And AKM makes the stamp “made in the USSR” (a state that no longer exists) collectible, even if it doesn’t match the age (like 50 years, I don’t remember exactly).
  82. +1
    20 September 2013 20: 36
    Again we slip into the idea that Russian-speaking people cannot have guns. rifled and we will have a second Tataro - the Mongolian yoke!!!! And gun barrels are already needed, judging by the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  83. 0
    20 September 2013 20: 48
    Ivanovich 47! Dear, I personally shot 7,62 barrels when they moved from 5.45 - this is horror in the GSVG because the Poles raised the prices for railway transportation - even our wives and high school students shot.
  84. +3
    20 September 2013 21: 04
    So we talk and discuss, but no one remembered that on September 21, 1949, the AK (Kalashnikov assault rifle) was adopted for service.
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY KALASH!!!
  85. 0
    20 September 2013 21: 48
    Konstantin Makienko
    Biography
    In 1995, he graduated with honors from the Eastern Department of the Faculty of International Relations of the Moscow State Institute of International Relations of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. In 1996 he graduated from the French-Russian Master's Degree in Political Science and International Relations
    1996-1997 director of the project on conventional weapons of the Center for Political Research in Russia (PIR Center)
    Since 1997 Deputy Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies
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    “Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko notes that Russia simply physically does not have such a number of people who are ready to pick up more than 3 million machine guns in the event of ..."
    Yay... with such specialists we will go “far”, it’s easier to just get our paws up the hill. And where are they found and according to what principles? This “professional” believes that there are not 3 million real men in Russia, because everyone has become ossified and fallen into complete liberalism???
    “What about the sopatka?” (With)
  86. Asan Ata
    +2
    20 September 2013 22: 14
    Don't touch the trunks! First, let the 12th pass state tests. Secondly, remember 41, when they gave one gun to every 5 people. Thirdly, for the people's militia, if anything, everything will be useful. Fourth, how many megatons of ammo are left? Give everything to civil defense, store it securely, distributing it in proportion to the population, by region. And it will be seen there.
  87. 0
    20 September 2013 22: 27
    I would buy myself a couple of guns and a couple of "zincs", but they won't allow it. (((
  88. GVARDEETS
    +1
    20 September 2013 22: 58
    Good night colleagues! The AK-74 is the best machine gun in my opinion: my guardsmen in 2001 managed to get it so......in 2 hours of reconnaissance on the Alleroi ridge that the T-34 soldier smokes on the side, 2 minutes of cleaning from dust and dirt, the machine works like a blast!!!!: hi RPKS, PKM are the same canoe, machines of the present and the future. One wish to the designers of IZHMASH (as an opinion): as few edges and joints as possible in the parts of your new best machine gun in the world. hi
  89. +1
    20 September 2013 23: 07
    Don't need trunks? Give it to the people.
  90. bubble82009
    0
    20 September 2013 23: 55
    an integrated approach is needed. sell some on the arms market, and convert some into civilian weapons. some, more outdated copies, should be disposed of.
  91. +1
    21 September 2013 00: 08
    Damn, give me some!
  92. 0
    21 September 2013 01: 27
    no, really, even dammit, all the modifications in the warehouses of the blue divisions are too much, and there are 2-3 dozen times more of them there, and where the hell more,
    if we want a lot of warriors, one third of them are in the field, then the General Staff needs half a lot of live trunks and a hundred leather scraps in the field,
    and we probably have 60-80% of the oars in our warehouses, we need to distribute everything to peoples and nationalities, but look at the need, I heard there were tricky parties, especially for steel and processing of barrels, those I think should be used as souvenirs for Siberians, to knock down cones
    and so, give everything the hell to Africa, except for the Soviet 7.62 Akmas, give them under the guarantee of the tribal leader)))
  93. German
    0
    21 September 2013 03: 07
    whoever wants to have a “Kalash” at home has one... I looked for a long time for an AK with milled and not stamped “guts” and finally found it. The stock is of course wooden. But that’s the beauty! I don’t want to let this beauty out of my hands!( and on occasion, it’s even very effective on the scruff of the neck)...THING! My deepest bow to Mikhail Timofeich!
  94. +1
    21 September 2013 06: 42
    Or maybe it’s time to revive the police (the same one that is popular) on a voluntary basis?
    We buy the machine gun from the state (it will be stored in the armory of the military registration and enlistment office). On Saturdays, shooting before lunch, after cleaning weapons, in free time from main work, assistance to the police in patrolling the streets and holding public events, assistance in maintaining civil defense and emergency facilities in good condition and other socially useful activities. And once every six months, a week-long training camp at the nearest training ground. And for all this, a pension bonus and a medal “10,20,30,...,100 years of impeccable service!” , but the main thing is a personal AK, the Motherland is safe, everyone is happy!
  95. +1
    21 September 2013 11: 30
    3-4 million Even the Kyrgyz Republic alone is not enough - we have 2 million combat-ready citizens, and there will still be cases of loss, damage, drowning, bending, wear and tear - wait until the plant makes new ones?
  96. 0
    21 September 2013 19: 56
    Yes, we have Mosinki with PPSh and PPS in storage in our military reserve. Used weapons are definitely for press, or for sale to monkeys. Let's bring down the counterfeit AK market. In general, it is necessary to develop military affairs among civilians. So that a person from the street could come and take a shooting training course. And here you can also drain some of the oars. Of course, it’s not worth mindlessly destroying ahead of schedule, but you don’t need to console yourself with exorbitant reserves of junk.
  97. Rex
    0
    22 September 2013 19: 28
    Oh, we had a blast... laughing
    It is clear that everything will remain as it was.

    About availability.
    According to personal feelings, there are at least 1 million units of illegal military weapons in the country - this has happened too often. In principle, with 30 thousand rubles and perseverance, anyone can buy an AK. Is it worth the risk of getting under investigation?
    Just this summer, in the newspaper of one provincial city (a completely peaceful region), I saw an announcement from the Internal Affairs Directorate about the purchase of military weapons from citizens (with exemption from criminal liability). Only heavy weapons were not included in the price list.

    Danger of selling to the public.
    In my opinion, our stupidity is exaggerated thousands of times.
    Our man (ours is Russian, and Tatar, and Bashkir, and Ossetian, etc.) simply hides a barrel (great-grandfather’s sawn-off shotgun, grandfather’s parabelum, or an AK taken from the army) in the barn, and does not first run to rob the wine and vodka store. Maniacs prefer to make do with improvised means.
    The facts of the distribution of machine guns were not so long ago - at the beginning of the second Chechen war, self-defense units were organized in Dagestan. And nothing terrible happened: the “wild mountaineers” organized patrols, secrets, and then handed them back
    And with all the measures for confiscation and voluntary surrender, I think there are still more than one hundred thousand trunks.trunks there.
  98. 0
    23 September 2013 12: 47
    Do they have them in warehouses and are they asking for drinks? During the Chechen war, mosquito shoes with optics were also used. Well, if it’s not possible, I can leave the address.
  99. total
    +1
    23 September 2013 16: 05
    Everyone's eyes lit up, what to do, s-d-g-give, pro-d-d-give... You have to think about your homeland, someone else hasn't understood where the world is going, you're hoping to shoot yourself in your garden from the hut on the edge? The partisan movement is no less a deterrent than nuclear weapons! After all, after the blow the bastards won’t come out, they still remember... and there, behind the hill, everyone has an arsenal in their caches, ours, and aimed at us, everything is squandered. This is where the value of weapons will manifest itself, which according to the numbers is really not enough, because if something happens, the vast majority of the arsenal units will be lost, there will be no production at all, have you heard about targeted strikes?, there will be nowhere to put a box, and a child on it, so that he can assemble machine guns like in during the Second World War, while their fathers defended their mothers in the trenches! And there will be nothing to collect from. But it is impossible to destroy all of our territory. Weapons must be distributed and stored, and this must be done by special agencies under great state secrecy. I was always sure that this was the case, but now this is a topic for discussion! We survived. The country of fools remains the same, but the previous fools were more serious. And we need to teach children the art of shooting, open shooting ranges with Kalash, before, at least almost all schoolchildren shot with a Berdan, and they knew how to disassemble and assemble Kalash, I remember they even showed us the RPD, took us to the unit on an excursion, after which every schoolchild was already able to understand the state, don't give it away and sell it...
  100. total
    +1
    23 September 2013 16: 31
    DP. Recently I suffered with two young intelligent guys, both athletes, teaching them the basics of practical pneumatic shooting. I was surprised, they weren’t even interested, because this is not a computer game. Conclusion, modern youth from those who have not served are completely unprepared to take up arms, and everyone will be killed on the first day in any mess. Advice, at least buy pneumatic guns while they are on sale, and shoot wisely more often, just not at people.
    1. 0
      23 September 2013 17: 07
      Quote: itogo
      Conclusion, modern youth are those who...

      Love of firearms?!
      A complete apocalypse for liberals!
      Anyone who has never assembled/disassembled, shot, cleaned (!) will never understand this _ CRIME!

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