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Russia decides what to do with old Kalashnikov assault rifles

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In recent years, the Russian defense industry has faced a rather non-trivial problem. Suddenly (!) It turned out that the bins of the Motherland are full of small weapons different degrees of antiquity. Against this background, in 2011, the military simply stopped purchasing new AK-74M machines, and Izhevsk gunsmiths could not offer a fundamentally new development to the military then. It is reported that at present in the warehouses of the Russian Defense Ministry about 16 has accumulated millions of trunks of various small arms, most of which are just Kalashnikov assault rifles. At the same time, almost 6,5 of millions of them have already developed their entire resource.


Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms of Russia is useless. The Ministry of Defense in case of war is enough 3-4 million trunks in warehouses, the remaining copies must either be sold for export, or upgraded, or disposed of. Konstantin Makienko, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, notes that Russia simply does not physically have such a large number of people who are ready to take up more 3 million automata in the event of war. In addition, all modern conflicts suggest the availability of bets on the use of precision weapons and professional military, the massive use of mobilization reserves is simply not intended.

According to the deputy chairman of the Military Industrial Commission (MIC) under the Russian government, Oleg Bochkarev, small arms stocks accumulated in the warehouses of the Russian Ministry of Defense are holding back new orders. And this is despite the fact that Russia has been implementing a program for the disposal of obsolete models of weapons for the past 10 years. So the problem with samples of small arms that have accumulated in the warehouses, most of which are AK, is rather acute in our country.

Russia decides what to do with old Kalashnikov assault rifles

Possible ways out of this situation were announced 18 September 2013, in Izhevsk. In particular, Russian President Vladimir Putin supported the proposal, according to which the state corporation Russian Technologies is going to provide the Russian Defense Ministry 1 a new AK-12 machine gun in exchange for an 3 machine belonging to old generations to be removed from military warehouses. The fact that the Russian president supported the proposal of Sergey Chemezov (the head of Rotstekhnologii) told reporters the vice-premier of the Russian government Dmitry Rogozin.

The President of Russia and Dmitry Rogozin on September 18 in the capital of Udmurtia took part in a meeting on the implementation of the state armaments program in terms of equipping the country’s Land Forces with new weapons. At the same time, Dmitry Rogozin reminded journalists that the AK-12 has not yet passed the state tests stage, but the vice-premier expressed confidence that these tests will be held in the near future. Upon completion of the state tests program, a decision will be made on the scale of possible purchases, which will be carried out by the RF Ministry of Defense and other Russian law enforcement agencies, Dmitry Rogozin noted.

According to Oleg Bochkarev, the new Kalashnikov assault rifles, the AK-12, are expected to come into service with the Russian army as early as 2014. According to the official, there are two models that will be different caliber (7,62 and 5,45). The development of the AK-12 machine gun, which belongs to the 5 generation machine guns, was conducted in Izhevsk under the guidance of Vladimir Zlobin, the chief designer of Izhmash, since the middle of the 2011 year. The new machine for the Russian army and law enforcement agencies retained the classic layout, but received with a number of significant design improvements. So, in particular, AK-12 has a much better accuracy of fire when firing bursts and less impact when shooting. In addition, the machine should be equipped with Picatinny slats, which can be used to install various additional equipment on it (sights, target indicators, flashlights, etc.), a double-sided reloading handle and an adjustable butt.


Speaking about the possibilities of using the previous series of Kalashnikov assault rifles, Dmitry Rogozin said that they could be used as spare parts. Also, in his opinion, the old machine guns could be used to create civilian weapons on their basis. An excellent competitive position was created on the basis of the Kalashnikov machine gun - the self-loading Saiga carbine of the 12 caliber. Today, these weapons are very popular in the US market, including among police units, the Russian deputy prime minister said.

Thus, according to Dmitry Rogozin, there is an opportunity to earn money through sales in foreign markets of military weapons, which was converted into civilian weapons. In addition, the Deputy Prime Minister recalled that on behalf of the military-industrial complex 6 has been working for months on a program to modernize the existing combat potential of small arms that has accumulated in the warehouses of the Russian Ministry of Defense, that is, work is underway to raise the class of weapons and replace parts of them.

Dmitry Rogozin also stressed that at present Russia is receiving quite a lot of proposals for the provision of military-technical assistance with small arms from foreign countries. This assistance could be provided at the expense of the reserves available to the Russian Ministry of Defense, that is, without engaging in the release of new machines at the plant in Kovrov or Izhevsk. It is quite possible for foreign partners to transfer automata stored in Russian warehouses. Speaking about deliveries through the PTS line, Rogozin did not specify the states to which Russian small arms could be sent, confining himself to saying that there are a lot of applications.

Information sources:
-http: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20130918/964132109.html
-http: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20130918/964147513.html
-http: //top.rbc.ru/society/14/03/2012/641592.shtml
-http: //www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2013/0917/100020320/detail.shtml
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  1. Denis
    Denis 20 September 2013 08: 32 New
    86
    Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms in Russia is useless
    Hang grief-analysts!
    Does the piggy east story about cut missiles teach nothing?
    Let them be already released
    1. mejik
      mejik 20 September 2013 09: 49 New
      44
      Quote: Denis
      Let them be already released

      That's the problem! Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 20 September 2013 10: 20 New
        57
        What are you ?! Give the population weapons? The nightmare of the deputy.
        But seriously, I would love to buy two, and even at an inflated price, my region is not so calm.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 20 September 2013 12: 44 New
          +9
          Open your eyes and go to the gun shop at last.
          Semi-automatic weapons based on AK and SVD, and ammunition for them, are sold everywhere and completely legally, what’s the problem. Automatic weapons are not sold to the public, machine guns will be redone before selling, read the article carefully.
          1. Hon
            Hon 20 September 2013 12: 49 New
            +5
            Only with permission hemorrhoids
            1. chunga-changa
              chunga-changa 20 September 2013 13: 10 New
              +6
              Try it, it quickly turns out that everything is simple and done quickly enough. In my opinion, getting rights was much more hemorrhoids. The only thing for the rifled will have to wait 2 years. But it's not scary, 2 hunting seasons, learn how to shoot and contain weapons.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 20 September 2013 13: 16 New
                +3
                Well, I want a full-fledged AKM - will they sell it to me and can I get permission? Did permission, familiar with the procedure (saiga, injury) ...
                1. chunga-changa
                  chunga-changa 20 September 2013 13: 57 New
                  +7
                  Read the article again, or the comments.
                  Automatic weapons (full-fledged AKM) are not sold to the population, machine guns will be remade under a semiautomatic device before sale. Like assault rifles, welcome to the army or explosives.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 20 September 2013 14: 11 New
                    +4
                    Duc and what am I talking about ?!)) Auto weapons are NOT FOR SALE to the population! You better read my koment again)))
                    By weapons, I understood FULL AKMs and the like. Of course, saiga is also a weapon, but not that.
                    And here in the comments we rightly noted that it would be possible to form a reserve from civilians with weapons and I’m sure all the costs of firing and ammunition would have been paid. But who will give the population weapons then? That's what I talked about if you expand!)
                    All beaver and Friday! drinks
                    1. chunga-changa
                      chunga-changa 20 September 2013 15: 26 New
                      0
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Of course, saiga is also a weapon, but not that.

                      I agree, but I note that AKMs are not the same either.
                      The choice of a master machine gun KPV or Kord at worst, but unfortunately they are also not sold to the population, as unfortunately RPGs. I agree that this is being done on purpose and precisely for this reason that our population is practically unarmed. For example, Syria, a region similar to yours, they are actively solving this problem there. Not only can anyone who wants to freely buy any weapon they like, they give out a lot at all for free, and it is clear that the population can immediately begin to fight against criminal power.
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 20 September 2013 15: 43 New
                        +9
                        Well, thank God, we still don't have Syria yet, and there is little in common with the principle, but it would have been calmer with the "guests" otherwise they would have survived, you won't walk through the city calmly, constantly clashes with visiting jackals, who provoke our girls for all sorts of places are enough, they will come in large numbers for the weekend, then they dump them into their auls, and I think that if I could carry something more serious than a traumatic person with me (well, not AKM, although I would have thrown myself into the car), then you yourself understand that problems would be solved faster and quite possible without a lot of shots. I understand that they will also have weapons, they still have them, but I think experience will win. Something like this, at least we would equalize the chances, because loyalty to the authorities and the absence of barriers are on their side, we are driven into the framework of the "law" and apply it only to us "so as not to stir up", the presence of AKM for me and my father friends would give more confidence in the future in our region, although the saiga will do, but I will repeat "not that coat."
                      2. ildar335
                        ildar335 7 October 2013 14: 06 New
                        0
                        do not compare the caliber of ak74 and "krupnyakov": cord, kpv. yes and where will you put kpv?
                        and I wouldn’t refuse from the ICS winked
                  2. I am
                    I am 20 September 2013 16: 54 New
                    0
                    Yeah, me too ?! ))))))))))
                2. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 20 September 2013 14: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Well, I want a full AKM

                  Why do you need it? Nostalgia for army everyday life?
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 20 September 2013 14: 51 New
                    +3
                    You know, tomorrow will come in handy in full growth! We are waiting any day.
                    Yes, and just like to shoot with AKM at the target. Our region is like that.
                    1. nerd.su
                      nerd.su 20 September 2013 20: 19 New
                      -1
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Yes, and just like to shoot with AKM at the target. Our region is like that.

                      I can not understand. I believe that target shooting is a preparation for shooting people. If this is not preparation, then - no offense - just show off.
                      Region, say ... Well, yes, the southern people are hot. Stalin understood what to do, whom he cooled in Kolyma, whom in Kazakhstan. It’s time to take advantage of the experience. I'm not talking about you, if that. I'm about the hottest and most impatient.
                3. dld35057
                  dld35057 20 September 2013 21: 41 New
                  +3
                  I don't see any problems. it was necessary to enter a permit to carry a weapon after serving in the army. In my warrant officer's certificate it was written - it was allowed to wear a regular firearm. arms. and walked with a tapestry without problems. yes even a stamp in the passport - after serving in the army - that's what I understand D "democracy. or at 18 you can get away, but you can only drink with 21 BRED."
              2. bairat
                bairat 20 September 2013 13: 33 New
                +2
                Not two years, but five years.
              3. Hon
                Hon 20 September 2013 13: 53 New
                +2
                Already tried, hemorrhoids still one, by the way on the rifled now five years, to see for a long time you have issued permission. Now permissions are issued with a big creak.
                1. chunga-changa
                  chunga-changa 20 September 2013 14: 05 New
                  0
                  Yes, a long time. I didn’t know about five years, it’s sad.
                  A pre-obtained hunting ticket helps a lot. Although everything seems to have changed a lot, I suspect that payments for services have increased.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 20 September 2013 14: 12 New
                    +3
                    Even as has changed, I will not voice the price tag, but this is no way wassat . Although if a person is determined to get permission, he will get it
                    1. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 20 September 2013 14: 42 New
                      +1
                      By the way Temka appeared! In principle, the same topic is only on the side.
                      Rostec will provide the Ministry of Defense with one new AK-12 assault rifle in exchange for three old-generation assault rifles
                      Russian President Vladimir Putin supported the proposal that Rostec will provide the Ministry of Defense with one new AK-12 assault rifle free of charge in exchange for three old-generation assault rifles seized from the ministry’s warehouses.
                      “Today, the president supported the proposal of the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, that the corporation could provide one new machine for free to the ministry in exchange for three machine guns seized from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense,” Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin quotes RIA Novosti.
                      Rogozin in Izhevsk took part in a meeting on the implementation of the state armament program in terms of equipping the Ground Forces armament, which was held by the president.
                      At the same time, the Deputy Prime Minister recalled that AK-12 has not yet passed state tests, but expressed hope that this will happen in the near future.
                      “At the end of the tests, a decision will be made on the volumes of possible purchases that will go to the Ministry of Defense or other law enforcement agencies,” Rogozin added.
                      Speaking about the possibilities of using the previous series of machines, the Deputy Prime Minister noted that they can be used as spare parts. “They can also be used to create civilian weapons on their basis. On the basis of the Kalashnikov machine gun, an excellent competitive position was created - the Saiga of the 12 caliber. This weapon is very popular in the US market, ”Rogozin said.
                      Thus, according to him, there is an opportunity to earn money when selling converted military weapons to civilian ones on foreign markets. In addition, Rogozin recalled that on the instructions of the military-industrial complex, a program has been running for six months to modernize the existing combat potential of small arms, which is in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense, that is, the class of weapons is being raised, and individual parts are changing.
                      Taken from the Rostec website: http://www.rostec.ru/news/3023

                      PS By the way, "Rostec has approved the logo of the Kalashnikov concern," said Konstantin Busygin, general director of the enterprise, on September 19.

                    2. Bigfoot_Sev
                      Bigfoot_Sev 20 September 2013 15: 01 New
                      +1
                      yes no hemorrhoids. and there are no "service fees".
                      I messed up a year ago. on smooth. with wearing.
                      a month ago, the spouse received.
                      I did the paperwork for myself for two months, from the moment I went and received it. the wife met in four weeks, already with the design of the Rohi. and no bribes. absolutely legal. no hemorrhoids. therefore, I’m puzzled when I read that it’s difficult to get weapons.

                      now it remains to wait 4 years and there I will serve already on the rifled.

                      = ^ _ ^ =
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 20 September 2013 15: 12 New
                        +1
                        Well, maybe it depends on the region. I also did not get long, the price is the point.
                      2. Bigfoot_Sev
                        Bigfoot_Sev 20 September 2013 15: 28 New
                        0
                        Well, what is the price?
                        the most expensive are weapon handling courses. in Moscow now from 3.5k to 6k rubles.
                        certificates and photos in the amount of somewhere around 2 thousand turned out.
                        all. IMHO, not fatal. more fun.

                        = ^ _ ^ =
                      3. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 20 September 2013 15: 44 New
                        0
                        And multiply by two. Plus - minus. It would be worth 30 and 30 would give.
                        more fun.

                        I agree! drinks
                      4. Bigfoot_Sev
                        Bigfoot_Sev 24 September 2013 11: 34 New
                        0
                        why two then?
                        I called the real numbers that I paid.

                        = ^ _ ^ =
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 20 September 2013 19: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Hon
        Only with permission hemorrhoids


        Not with permission, but with the norms of legislation in the field of self-defense.
    2. mejik
      mejik 20 September 2013 16: 18 New
      0
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Open your eyes ... read the article carefully

      Thank you Captain. Evidence that we would do without you. laughing
  2. Nickanor
    Nickanor 20 September 2013 12: 49 New
    0
    And I would take in my calm region!
  3. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 20 September 2013 14: 24 New
    +6
    Quote: klimpopov
    What are you ?! Give the population weapons? The nightmare of the deputy.
    But seriously, I would love to buy two, and even at an inflated price, my region is not so calm.


    And I’m able to calm the region, but I would buy it anyway - it’s not known how life will turn out, it may happen that you have to suddenly start shooting laughing ... well, if it’s from a zombie, or even from an American landing ...

    I’m minus an article. To talk about the liquidity of military small arms is a clear idiocy. You can sell it without problems, a matter of diligence and price. In fact, do not let serviceable samples into remelting. There is Latin America without weapons, in Syria you probably need ...
  4. predator.3
    predator.3 20 September 2013 15: 14 New
    +8
    Russia decides what to do with old Kalashnikov assault rifles


    It’s very simple to give out to the population to fight corruption! lol
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 September 2013 16: 57 New
      +7
      I'm in line! Who is last ?! good
    2. korotkov2033
      korotkov2033 22 September 2013 14: 52 New
      0
      I agree with the planned distribution by the former adequate military personnel to the action plan in the event of various emergency situations or war, this is also the help of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the issue of mobilization reserve is being solved, with which we write the problem.
  5. Romario_Omsk
    Romario_Omsk 20 September 2013 15: 34 New
    0
    I would take 4 so that for every member of the family ..... and it absolutely does not depend on the region .....
  6. I am
    I am 20 September 2013 16: 54 New
    +3
    And I would buy one thing. Just in case, keep in the house. Let the price of the car. Yes, and many would have bought, not for criminal use, but for peace of mind, their own and dashing people (who should be baked about someone else's good).
  7. StolzSS
    StolzSS 20 September 2013 17: 12 New
    +1
    Well, we have the glory of the Almighty quietly and calmly, but I would also buy 3 pieces of nephews to learn how to deal with a legend is that)))
  8. Serg 122
    Serg 122 20 September 2013 17: 26 New
    0
    Absolutely for sure! It won't hurt us
  • user
    user 20 September 2013 10: 34 New
    10
    I would love to buy a couple of 7.62 caliber, as in Siberia without a gun, then the recitals, then the police, or even worse prosecutors, we barely manage to fight back.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 20 September 2013 13: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: user
      as in Siberia without a gun, then the rekitirats, then the policemen, or even worse prosecutors, we barely manage to fight back.

      You shoot cops with prosecutors?
      1. user
        user 20 September 2013 19: 23 New
        +1
        Yes, of course, surprisingly. Compared to the 90s, like in a morgue, we killed and sentenced people, and who managed to cut money down in more favorable lands. And where are we, my grandfathers, even before the revolution, were born here. And the machine is so for complacency, if there is something to go into the taiga with.
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 22 September 2013 12: 41 New
      0
      It’s time for you to shut up in the monastery)))
  • Cynic
    Cynic 20 September 2013 11: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: mejik
    I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.

    I will not refuse the same!
    drinks
  • alone
    alone 20 September 2013 13: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: mejik
    Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.


    well yes! and you do not exclude the possibility that many will begin to use such good stuff right there.
    everyone has a grudge against someone, and I certainly know how the people "love" their robber officials.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 14: 05 New
      +3
      and you do not exclude the possibility that many will begin to use such good stuff right there.

      And how many people out of 100 are capable really kill your offender? Moreover, knowing that the cartridges from his machine are stored in the nearest police department and the term for the murder will not take long?
      It is clear that before the legalization of such weapons it is necessary to create conditions for their control.
      1. ruslan207
        ruslan207 20 September 2013 22: 22 New
        -1
        Well, under degrees, people are capable of a lot, and how much in Russia they give for the murder of -7 years
    2. Romario_Omsk
      Romario_Omsk 20 September 2013 15: 39 New
      +3
      "uncle, are you?" Something from the acquisition of other types of weapons does not start settling scores and so on .... but how a person picks up a machine gun (essentially the same saiga) his "bar falls" ..... YOU really think so?
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 20 September 2013 14: 01 New
    -11
    And half the country, no matter how it happened in a couple of years.
  • Serg 122
    Serg 122 20 September 2013 17: 25 New
    0
    +++++++++++++++++
  • go
    go 20 September 2013 20: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: mejik
    Quote: Denis
    Let them be already released

    That's the problem! Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.


    Our population can not sell machines. They will shoot each other on the roads. And without machine guns they are ready to kill each other. It is necessary that a couple of generations pass after the upheavals of the 90s, so that the people calm down a bit. Non-automatic weapons and so you can buy. This is enough to feel calm.

    Regarding Rogozin: his economic and technical genius is becoming increasingly alarming. This is where the problem is when only one person is responsible for such important issues as the military-industrial complex.

    1) It is not clear to me how out of 145 million, only 3 can hold weapons?
    2) Why spend money and resources on remaking a military weapon into a civilian one, if, according to him, a combat weapon can be sold so calmly on the foreign market, without incurring rework costs? I don’t think that the civilian weapons market is so big, it can only be in the USA, but there are enough of its players ...
    3) In my opinion, everyone already understands that 5,45 is not powerful enough, and 7,62 is redundant for the machine, but the AK-12 is again made for them. Again it is not clear then - why under two calibers?

    Why can’t you give from stores 5,45 to the police and explosives before running out of resources, to sell 7,62 (for the benefit of cartridges in the world they do a lot) or to leave a reserve, and to do something average for the army, for example. 6.5? It is clear that you need to strain and make a cartridge and its production. But this is precisely the work of Mr. Rogozin, and not engage in sales. If we have a lot of 7,62R in warehouses, then make a modernized version of the old RPK for them with the subsequent transition to 6,5 and calm down.
    1. mejik
      mejik 20 September 2013 20: 46 New
      0
      Quote: go
      Our population can not sell machines.

      Nobody offers anything to your population. Germans are forbidden to show it from the forty-fifth. soldier
      1. go
        go 21 September 2013 14: 32 New
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        Quote: mejik
        Quote: go
        Our population can not sell machines.

        Nobody offers anything to your population. Germans are forbidden to show it from the forty-fifth. soldier


        In this case, the Chinese too ...
    2. ruslan207
      ruslan207 20 September 2013 22: 24 New
      0
      Police preferable to 5,45 excess in the city
  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 20 September 2013 22: 57 New
    0
    Quote: mejik
    That's the problem! Allow licensed sale to the public. And cash at the checkout and warehouses are free. I would take it, put it in the safe next to Sayozha.

    It's time to resolve. But with a reservation ... In addition to the Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, North Ossetia and Ingushetia.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 22 September 2013 04: 20 New
    -1
    And the country is also free from the population.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2013 11: 30 New
    +1
    In Russia, they decide where to put the old Kalashnikov assault rifles ... I want to ask: who is the last in the queue? I am behind you! I- 3pcs, I have two more sons ...))))))))))
  • eplewke
    eplewke 20 September 2013 09: 50 New
    20
    "Analysts declare that the presence of such a huge amount of small arms is useless in Russia" - these analysts are probably economists or lawyers, but not as people of military affairs. There are never too many weapons !!!!
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 20 September 2013 09: 50 New
    19
    Serdyukov disarmed Russia, continues to disarm Shoigu. The population is preparing to slaughter like cattle. The desire to destroy the stocks of Kalash defies any other explanation. If, for example, tanks or other high-tech weapons are being cut, this can somehow be hardly explained by the high costs of maintaining them. Automata are in their drawers in oil and do not ask, they do not need to be refueled, batteries are also not required. In Russia, that there is no place where to store the boxes?

    Kalash would be very necessary for the wars of the fifth type. As is happening in Syria now, when there is no front, there are only urban gangs with small arms. For such a war, 3 million Kalash are very few. Russia is being prepared for such a scenario of destruction. What is happening now is top-level betrayal
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 20 September 2013 10: 31 New
      13
      Al Qaeda is preparing religious fanatics for worldwide jihad. It is necessary to arm them with something. Let's ask Russia for free help. There, the government will give weapons to anyone, but not to its own citizens.
      1. Letterksi
        Letterksi 20 September 2013 13: 21 New
        +2
        It will probably be so. Kalash, which should go under the press, as a result, it will be there. Or a very large part of them. This has already happened in recent Russian (and not only) history.
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 20 September 2013 13: 58 New
      +2
      I absolutely agree, in the case of the situation like in Syria, to distribute to all male people from 16 to 70 years old, we will repel any intervention as 1918-22, no one has canceled partisanism.
    3. Papania
      Papania 20 September 2013 15: 29 New
      +1
      I join this opinion. Rogozin, as always, smacks of garbage; they do not want to keep; they need to be distributed to the population. These should be citizens who served in law enforcement agencies, as well as those who do not undergo any accounting.
      1. 0255
        0255 20 September 2013 16: 35 New
        0
        Al Qaeda is preparing religious fanatics for worldwide jihad. It is necessary to arm them with something. Let's ask Russia for free help. There, the government will give weapons to anyone, but not to its own citizens.

        in the Caucasian regions of Russia, almost everyone has a Kalash, unfortunately. And another question is whether the extra machines are really disposed of.
      2. Denis
        Denis 20 September 2013 19: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Papania
        Rogozin, as always, flogs bullshit
        They’ll even lock up on this subject, they passed it to Chicago again.
    4. dld35057
      dld35057 21 September 2013 07: 06 New
      +4
      Yes, and there is a feeling - that is so, and yes you are right. the old ones talked — they served in Central Asia, and when in 91 they had to beat in parts, they gave machine guns to their wives and children - since nothing could be done in the military camps of the Akrom patrol. but specifically instructed - as you see the bearded in the city - so immediately hit the windows and shoot how it turns out — good bk nemeryanny. so we survived. And then you know for yourself - they served where God would give.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 20 September 2013 12: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Author Yuferev Sergey
    Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko notes that Russia simply does not physically have so many people who are ready to pick up more than 3 million assault rifles in case of war.

    Well, to be precise, it’s
    LLC "Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies" AST-Center "
    The Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies was created in April 1997 by graduates of the prestigious Moscow State Institute of International Relations (University) of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation as an autonomous non-profit non-governmental and independent research and information-publishing organization.

    And for clarity
    Currently, the AST Center has scientific contacts with a number of Russian and foreign research institutes and centers:
    Bonn International Center for Conversion (BICC);
    Institute for International and Strategic Studies (IRIS) in Paris;
    Institute of Economic Forecasting of the Russian Academy of Sciences (INP RAS) in Moscow;
    International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) in London;
    Carnegie Moscow Center;
    The Small Arms Survey project in Geneva.
    Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI);
    Strategic Research Foundation (FRS) in Paris.

    hi
  • Hon
    Hon 20 September 2013 12: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Denis
    Hang grief-analysts!
    Does the piggy east story about cut missiles teach nothing?
    Let them be already released

    For each soldier, 15 machine guns? This includes signalmen, staff, generals, orderlies, etc. Moreover, in the presence of machine guns, SVD, SKS, and other types of small arms. They are also not stored for free. Having put them up for sale, you can rearm the army with new machine guns for free, and there will still be ammunition left.
    1. Denis
      Denis 20 September 2013 13: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Hon
      Putting them on sale, you can rearm the army with new guns for free
      If it’s smart, right
      According to Oleg Bochkarev, Deputy Chairman of the Military Industrial Commission (MIC) under the Russian government, the stockpiles of small arms accumulated in the warehouses of the Russian Ministry of Defense hinder the receipt of new orders. And this is despite the fact that in Russia for over 10 years it has been implemented obsolete weapons disposal program. So the problem with small arms stocks that have accumulated in warehouses, most of which are AK, is quite acute in our country
      They are also not stored for free.
      Still cheaper than disposing of
      1. Hon
        Hon 20 September 2013 16: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Denis
        If it’s smart, right

        Well, I would like to mind of course))
        1. Denis
          Denis 20 September 2013 19: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Hon
          Well, I would like to mind of course
          What did the famous master of the word Chernomyrdin say about this?
  • Canep
    Canep 20 September 2013 13: 42 New
    +5
    Quote: Denis
    Hang grief-analysts!

    I agree completely, in Russia in the case of WAR, it will be possible to put up to 10% of the population under arms, which is exactly 16 million. And you don’t have to be an analyst to understand this.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 20 September 2013 14: 37 New
    +3
    To distribute to all Russians serving in the troops, so that they would serve as if in Belgium, take the machine gun home and keep it for an emergency. laughing
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 20 September 2013 15: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: Denis
    Hang grief-analysts!

    Absolutely accurate definition! good
    But dolb ..., sorry, unfortunate analysts, before trying, try to understand a simple fact: in order for high-precision weapons to be effectively used, it is necessary to reliably cover everything, for example, air bases, areas of missile launchers, etc. ., not only from air strikes, but also from the actions of sabotage troops from the ground.
    It is also necessary to protect by large forces, especially if the conflict involves "internal enemies" routes of communication, supply bases and other infrastructure facilities, to block significant sections of the border, "cleanse" settlements and territories from the enemy, albeit to a large extent that has suffered damage from that very high-precision weapon ...
    And for this we need infantry(or motorized infantry) wink
    And in order to have infantry (motorized infantry) at the right time in sufficient quantity, you must have a trained mob. resources.
    And since Russia is great, but now there’s nowhere to retreat, especially there is a lot of infantry.
    And in order to arm them (and replenish the losses of small arms, which, as the experience of wars show, are very significant, in the Great Patriotic War, for example, 15 million 470 thousand units), and we need warehouses with good old AKs. And not only with them ...
    Are there really such shitty analysts for whom all this is news? what
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 20 September 2013 19: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Denis
    Hang grief-analysts!


    Her - let them master the uninhabited open spaces of Siberia - at least there will be benefits.
    1. Denis
      Denis 20 September 2013 19: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Blackgrifon
      let them explore the uninhabited open spaces of Siberia - at least the benefit will be
      Only stink, and even the Siberians will not let the land be dirty. Besides, how can this work?
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 21 September 2013 10: 52 New
        +1
        We are against the free sale of weapons to the population, mainly those who already have the ability to carry weapons (for example, the police) and those who have their own guards.
        The argument that only give ours and he will immediately shoot everyone, does not roll, as it is refuted by practice. In some Siberian villages, probably, in every family there are hunting trunks and what, are there more serious crimes than in other places?
  • Atenon
    Atenon 20 September 2013 08: 33 New
    +1
    You can also convert it into an airsoft, many would like such a drive, I know that Izhmash is already doing this, but why do it if you can remake and sell abroad there, many would give a substantial amount.
    1. mejik
      mejik 20 September 2013 12: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: AtenON
      You can also convert it into airsoft

      Yeah, but you can in the inflatable. By type, inflatable tanks. wink
      But why redo it. We have a shortage of airsoft weapons and are required to cover them at the expense of the military ... My hens are laughing in the chicken coop. Sorry! hi
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 20 September 2013 12: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: mejik
        Yeah, but you can in the inflatable.

        Why so ?
        A pure business idea that has the right to exist like any sound proposal!
        Not compare with recycle either wise fools or traitors.
        drinks
      2. Denis
        Denis 20 September 2013 13: 30 New
        0
        Quote: mejik
        By type, inflatable tanks
        Do not tell your chickens, no matter what grief, experts from the media would not yap inflatable mock-ups of tanks
        1. mejik
          mejik 20 September 2013 20: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          inflatable tank mockups needed

          no need to strain, friend. Is it really necessary to write for every joke that it is a joke. You are like at a meeting of the Security Council of the Government of the Russian Federation, by golly. This is the sheer pallor of adults. And you are not a fact that the most adult, since you can’t tell jokes from seriousness. Sincerely. hi
      3. mejik
        mejik 20 September 2013 20: 51 New
        0
        Quote: mejik
        inflatable
    2. Nickanor
      Nickanor 20 September 2013 12: 48 New
      0
      But where is it - airsoft? Conversations, rumors, commercials ...
  • svp67
    svp67 20 September 2013 08: 42 New
    0
    Problems exist only in order to solve them and to make life "not boring" ...
  • vovich
    vovich 20 September 2013 08: 46 New
    24
    ... that Russia simply does not physically have so many people who are ready to pick up more than 3 million assault rifles in case of war.

    I do not understand ... is it our analysts think so or American?
    What kind of specialists are these who are not able to assess the mobility potential of Russia?
    3 million. How ... In Honduras, and more. They either do not know how or provocateurs.

    3-4 million trunks will be enough in case of war

    This is generally insanity. In a war, especially a large-scale one, the loss of weapons (wear and tear, failure, damage in battle, etc., etc.) is quite significant. The Great Patriotic War clearly demonstrated this.
    1. ROA
      ROA 20 September 2013 09: 04 New
      -14
      There will never be such a war.
      1. ka5280
        ka5280 20 September 2013 10: 25 New
        +5
        The next big war will be such, in comparison with which, the 2nd World War is the children in the sandbox quarreled.
        1. ROA
          ROA 20 September 2013 12: 33 New
          -1
          Nuclear weapons guarantee peace on the planet. As long as it is there will be no new major wars, maximum border conflicts. And to fill up with meat as in the Second World War will not work.
      2. dld35057
        dld35057 21 September 2013 17: 49 New
        0
        even though the topic is gone - but you fucked up - I will answer. disguised as shit - and you’re not a shit you’re not a profffessor. specifically for the Russian liberation army ..............
    2. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 20 September 2013 09: 12 New
      0
      I support. As in a war one rifle for two. In the battle you will get!
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 20 September 2013 14: 05 New
        +1
        It was only in Germany in the 45th.
    3. Rex
      Rex 20 September 2013 09: 12 New
      +5
      Exactly - in one phrase literally "zach..ril" miln 20. our men ... And not only men!
    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 20 September 2013 09: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: vovich
      I do not understand ... is it our analysts think so or American?
      What kind of specialists are these who are not able to assess the mobility potential of Russia?
      3 million. How so ...


      Remind me what the current population in the Russian Federation is? -120 000 000 million people, maybe more? *

      So what kind of under-analysts paint such a dumb picture ?! If they consider themselves to be among the 3 million people, this is their problem. Under martial law, the "shoot" event will take effect. Let's see what these 000 million fucking analysts do then!

      PS we are waiting for new Kalash, comrades!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 09: 50 New
        +2
        Let’s see how these 3 million freaking analysts do!

        Dumped abroad as soon as the smell of fried?
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 20 September 2013 11: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Remind me what the current population in the Russian Federation is? -120 000 000 million people, maybe more? *

        143 million or more.

        The article states that it’s 6,5 million with a raw resource.
        So let them change 1 to 3, as suggested.
      3. Avenger711
        Avenger711 20 September 2013 14: 07 New
        +1
        But doesn’t that an extra pack of Kalash, for which there will simply be no fighters, means that somewhere the very needed gun, truck, and even tank will not be enough?
      4. Rider
        Rider 20 September 2013 16: 39 New
        0
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Remind me what the current population in the Russian Federation is? -120 000 000 million people, maybe more? *


        18.09.2013/16/00, Moscow 45:1:2013 The number of permanent population of Russia on August 143,5, 132,2 amounted to 0,09 million people and since the beginning of the year has grown by 123,5 thousand people, or 0,08%. This is stated in the operational report of the Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat). As of the corresponding date of the previous year, the indicator also increased - by XNUMX thousand people, or by XNUMX%


        taken:http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/210849-chislennost-naseleniya-rossii-v-yanv
        are-iyule-2013g-vyrosla-do-1435-mln-chelovek.html
    5. eplewke
      eplewke 20 September 2013 09: 56 New
      +3
      Well, exchanging junk for new trunks is a good idea! 3 old AKs for 1 new. I think even a very profitable deal ... And as for the mass, it’s also true. In the case (God forbid) of the occupation of our country, so that every peasant, old man and child had a Kalash ...
    6. Hon
      Hon 20 September 2013 12: 57 New
      -3
      What a large-scale war? With whom? Do you plan to fight back from small arms? Modern tools can cut a shelf from a safe distance with one blow, and this is not a weapon of mass destruction. Large-scale formations of manpower lose relevance in a large war.
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 20 September 2013 13: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: Hon
        Large-scale formations of manpower lose relevance in a large war.

        You are naive. God is on the side of large battalions. And first, cutting shelves with impunity is very expensive, and secondly, advertising is not so worth believing.
        1. Hon
          Hon 20 September 2013 16: 53 New
          0
          Quote: bot.su
          You are naive. God is on the side of large battalions. And first, cutting shelves with impunity is very expensive, and secondly, advertising is not so worth believing.

          Then if we save the war?) I bet a million that we will lose, the enemy will not save. Iraq had an army with a large composition, but no sense, because large units are no longer cannon fodder, but simply statistics.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 20 September 2013 20: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Hon
            Iraq had a large army in composition, but no sense

            Well then the Arabs. They have in their blood, when a strong enemy approaches, scatter through their desert. Better look at Vietnam.
            1. Hon
              Hon 20 September 2013 21: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: bot.su
              Well then the Arabs. They have in their blood, when a strong enemy approaches, scatter through their desert. Better look at Vietnam.

              And in Vietnam, troops were not used in large numbers, just as there was a guerrilla war, and the superiority of amers in the air was reduced not due to masses, but due to high-tech and at that time advanced air defense and fighter aircraft, as soon as the Vietnamese attempted full-scale military operations, their troops were defeated. The Americans, by the way, did not carry out any mobilization.
              As for the Arabs, during the Battle of Easting73, the Iraqis did not run anywhere, they burned in their tanks, and the amers who had the technological advantage did not care about their number. The Iraqis heroically defended Fallujah, and the amers simply burned everything there with white phosphorus. Quick and easy, and if there were at least ten divisions in Fallujah, the result would be the same, only the number of corpses would be greater. Having such means as "SMERCH", vacuum bombs, white phosphorus, napalm, you can nullify any number of infantry, you will not even feel the difference between a thousand and a million. This is not to mention weapons of mass destruction.
              The methods of warfare are changing, and a lot is becoming a thing of the past, automatic weapons appeared, and cavalry was gone, powerful artillery nullified the advantages of fortresses.
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 21 September 2013 15: 18 New
                0
                Quote: Hon
                And in Vietnam, troops were not used in large numbers, just the same there was a guerrilla war,

                The result is important.

                Quote: Hon
                Iraqis heroically defended Fallujah, and Amers simply burned everything there with white phosphorus

                Well, then it was necessary not to defend, but to attack, so that there was constant contact with the enemy. Then maybe the Americans used less white phosphorus. Relocate, think about engineering protection ... You can find a suitable screw for every tricky nut.

                Fortresses, by the way, still have not lost relevance. The 18th machine gun and artillery division, for example.
    7. Avenger711
      Avenger711 20 September 2013 14: 05 New
      0
      Here are just aviation and tank columns that reduce the time of war to days and weeks, rarely months, leaving no time to mobilize half of those involved in the Second World War, and that’s enough for 17kk barrels.
      Several million can be threaded and put, just the factories need sales of products.
  • Onotollah
    Onotollah 20 September 2013 08: 48 New
    29
    A decent Russian man will provide living space for AK, SVD, RPG of any modifications; ammunition by agreement.
    Timely service guaranteed.
    We will agree on payment.
    1. Rex
      Rex 20 September 2013 09: 15 New
      12
      It is even possible for "free safekeeping"
    2. Ulysses
      Ulysses 20 September 2013 09: 28 New
      +3
      I’m also ready to take two or three small arms barrels and a couple of armored vehicles for safekeeping.
      I guarantee the safety "until the time of H". smile
      1. shurup
        shurup 20 September 2013 10: 45 New
        +4
        I join the opinion. I have the ability to store one BMP and everything that is attached to it, including the AK kit.
        Everything will be in combat readiness and with full tanks.
        At the same time, I will provide a trained crew with a landing party, which once a year will gladly ride to the nearest shooting range for group exercises.
        When, finally, the rulers will no longer be afraid of their own subjects?
    3. ka5280
      ka5280 20 September 2013 10: 29 New
      +6
      The best gift for February 23 is the ak-74m + gp-25, well, cartridges, grenades =) And for Tavolga’s birthday =)
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 10: 43 New
        +3
        And for the anniversary - BMP? smile
        1. Ulysses
          Ulysses 20 September 2013 10: 47 New
          +2
          I would prefer TCP to go fishing. what
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 20 September 2013 10: 53 New
            0
            Oh, really. There you can actually build a house in the back. ))) By the way, we have sold TCP, for the 5th year already. I don’t know which one, I don’t really understand them.
        2. ka5280
          ka5280 20 September 2013 10: 50 New
          0
          Well, you can and T-72 =)
  • King
    King 20 September 2013 08: 56 New
    +4
    Once there is nowhere to go let them give me a couple of trunks. need for a rainy day
  • Airman
    Airman 20 September 2013 09: 02 New
    12
    Serdyukovism gave deep roots, and many of his followers remained in the army. Someone in Well .... drifted (urgently needed to cut down the loot) and now they took up small arms. Let them sell second-hand, but there should be NZ in warehouses of 10-12 million units, except in 41, one three-line for 3 militias. Our bullshit has a very short memory.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 20 September 2013 09: 31 New
      +2
      otherwise, as in 41, one trilinear for 3 militias. Our bullshit has a very short memory.

      But they did not fight, did not take part in any conflicts. And Soviet films about the war are not fashionable to show or watch now.
      They would, like the heroes of the film "We are from the Future," back to the front!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 09: 53 New
        0
        And Soviet films about the war are not fashionable to show or watch now.

        Thank God this is being corrected. The Ministry of Defense bought a bunch of DVDs with films about the Second World War, Afghanistan, etc.
      2. Airman
        Airman 20 September 2013 10: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z

        They would, like the heroes of the film "We are from the Future," back to the front!

        What are you, these shit democrats would have all their pants in shit at the very first shots.
  • Sirozha
    Sirozha 20 September 2013 09: 02 New
    +7
    Well, firstly, the army has to completely renew the "park" of weapons, otherwise we will succeed, as always, the soldiers will use the old trash, but we will throw the never-used weapons of storage under the orchestra into the smelting furnace!
    Secondly, to allow people to buy back, or, as in Switzerland, to create an army of self-defense, in which these weapons are stored at home permanently. Of course, illegal use should be considered here. But the weapon it disciplines in itself, people need to get used to the idea of ​​owning it.
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 20 September 2013 09: 12 New
    +1
    Nowhere to go?
    I'll take a pair in good hands!
  • anip
    anip 20 September 2013 09: 17 New
    +2
    Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms in Russia is useless. The Ministry of Defense in case of war will be enough 3-4 million trunks in warehouses ...

    Some dumb analysts, probably they are from the word anal. Could at least see statistics on WWII.
    (http://protown.ru/information/hide/5507.html)
    Production of small arms in the USSR from July 1941 to August 1945
    Rifles and carbines, thousand pieces. - 12139,3
    Submachine guns, thousand units - 6173,9
    Machine guns of all kinds, thousand pieces. - 1515,9
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 20 September 2013 09: 22 New
    +1
    Serdyukovs change, Serdyukovism remains.
  • LM66
    LM66 20 September 2013 09: 23 New
    +4
    Hand out to the public
  • capellan29
    capellan29 20 September 2013 09: 24 New
    +5
    hmm, now, from my freshly issued "new" AK-74M (of which there are three pieces for the entire part, two of them shoot every other time from old age), I have to rip off the entire purchased kit before handing it over to the CWC, I can't store it like that, I imagine what will happen if they begin to supply naked AK-12s instead of AKSs. I remember that it almost came to the point that snipers were forced to remove the optics from the SVD before surrendering, "no patamushta according to the Charter!" I can't understand why they can't stick "dovetails" on the AKS in order to hang a collimator (more for a machine gun, in general, nothing is needed), and even give them to conscripts for intensive training (not three cartridges a month to shmalnit, but really intense).
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 20 September 2013 11: 43 New
      +1
      What?! ??!

      AK-74M shoots through time?)))))

      What the hell are you talking about?
      About the canopy, which must be removed.
      So you serve in the authorized army or in what militia? The charter is a law; it is impossible to fulfill one part of the charter and not to execute the other. Otherwise, this is not an army, but a bunch.

      pysy. And what about SVD? Well, it’s so SO DIFFICULT to remove the sight? That poor unfortunate snipers installed them for half a year, shot for a year, and now everything’s on the road?
  • Rex
    Rex 20 September 2013 09: 27 New
    0
    "came out with the support of the proposal, according to which the state corporation" Rostekhnologii "is going to provide the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with 1 new AK-12 assault rifle in exchange for 3 assault rifles belonging to the old generations, which will be withdrawn from military warehouses"

    It’s a normal idea

    "According to the official, there are two models that will differ in caliber (7,62 and 5,45)"

    It is not clear why.

    "On the basis of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, an excellent competitive position was once created - the Saiga 12-gauge self-loading carbine. Today this weapon is very popular in the American market, including among police units," the Russian Deputy Prime Minister stressed.

    Great example of great exaggeration
  • patrianostra
    patrianostra 20 September 2013 09: 29 New
    +5
    Send to the demobilization of those who served with weapons and a point, and then every year conduct retraining fences with these weapons. In pre-revolutionary Russia, the population had a huge amount of both rifled and smooth-bore and short-barreled weapons, and the number of crimes with the use of a firearm was very low.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 20 September 2013 09: 30 New
    +5
    Sell ​​to the public. Men who have served in the army, are mentally healthy, with the provision of the opportunity to go to the training ground to "shoot". I think they will be snapped up in a couple of months. You look and the crime will decrease.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 20 September 2013 09: 31 New
    +6
    There is the experience of the Russian Empire when they switched from berdanas to mosquitoes. Many berdanas have been redone
    under hunting, which even now can be seen among some zealous hunters in the Far East -
    I personally saw among the Old Believers between Khabarovsk and Komsomolsk on the Amur. And there is world experience in the distribution - he served his homeland - get the barrel legally with a military record.
  • Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 20 September 2013 09: 39 New
    -3
    Also, in his opinion, old assault rifles could be used to create civilian weapons samples on their basis
    Well, that’s helping lobbyists and supporters of the possession of weapons by the civilian population. All this modernization of the army’s weapons fleet boils down to selling outdated models to civilian ones. Lord, educate them.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 20 September 2013 09: 39 New
    0
    Sell ​​to normal peasants in the household will come in handy.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 20 September 2013 09: 43 New
    +3
    In schools, restore the lessons of CWP, so there will be benefits from the old samples. And then the youth of the elementary grades runs after lessons with plastic "Chinese". And if there were lessons with real weapons, it would be a different matter. And the retirees would have a job!
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 20 September 2013 11: 49 New
      +6
      I remember at school we had not only Kalash, there was even a three-line (carbine), there were SKS, PPSh, tar with a pancake, "small things" and we sorted it all out in class, twisted it in our hands as much as we wanted ... The teacher just put them on every lesson regardless of the topic. How much joy it gave us, guys! I always remember with warmth Khrum-Khrumych (Bgano Harum Kasimovich - health and long years to him)
  • Metlik
    Metlik 20 September 2013 09: 43 New
    +2
    Americans don’t even destroy old planes - they send them to eternal storage in the desert. Weapons are never superfluous.
  • kostik1301
    kostik1301 20 September 2013 09: 44 New
    +6
    and the time will come that the price of ammunition and food will be ..... the past does not teach our leaders anything ...
  • Rex
    Rex 20 September 2013 09: 46 New
    +6
    Nightmare of the Pentagon and NATO as a whole - the hungry, evil and drunk population of Russia, all armed with Kalash laughing
    Cheap, not high, uncontrollable - thriller of the year laughing
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 10: 11 New
      +2
      the hungry, evil, and drunk population of Russia is fully armed with Kalash ..... Cheap, low, uncontrollable - thriller of the year

      Well, this will be the beating of NATO. And if you still give out rounds of ammunition, it’s as if genocide will turn out ...
  • alan_07
    alan_07 20 September 2013 09: 48 New
    +3
    You might think that they are asking for food !!! And 3-4 million. Only in the Southern Federal District is enough))) Interestingly, and the rest with slingshots will be injuries or)))
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 10: 12 New
      +1
      Well, how small are you ... everyone knows what.
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 20 September 2013 14: 27 New
        +1
        Retreating from the classics sung by Dostoevsky ... an ax.
  • Shellback
    Shellback 20 September 2013 10: 01 New
    +6
    Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms of Russia is useless. The Ministry of Defense in case of war is enough 3-4 million trunks in warehouses, the remaining copies must either be sold for export, or upgraded, or disposed of. Konstantin Makienko, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, notes that Russia simply does not physically have such a large number of people who are ready to take up more 3 million automata in the event of war. In addition, all modern conflicts suggest the availability of bets on the use of precision weapons and professional military, the massive use of mobilization reserves is simply not intended.

    These "comrades" are from the same detachment as analysts who claim that Russia does not need nuclear weapons in such quantities, 50 ICBMs are enough. And these would-be experts do not know such a word - stock? And the damage and wear and tear of weapons during hostilities? Then give the soldiers Berdanks? Or a pitchfork? The figure of 3 million is taken from the ceiling. Yes, and I think our women will want to take up arms in case of war, as in the Second World War. Such experts should be driven with a nasty broom and then judged. On the eve of the Le Bourget air show, one thinker from the Russian expert military community I jumped out that our military aviation is bad and worthless. This is a sabotage against our country and an attempt to spoil our aviation on the eve of the most prestigious air show and break contracts. Unfortunately, this is a problem in almost all spheres. High-precision weapons are very good, but first they need to be made, tested and put into war in the necessary quantities. And these very troops must be trained to work with the WTO. And here they are, here they are, ready for battle at any second. Unpretentious and reliable. Who do they interfere with? Our enemies, who, through the mouth of purchased experts, impose criminal actions on us.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 20 September 2013 10: 07 New
    +2
    To whom, it is interesting, again the pocket is pulling, who are these "analysts", not from the CIA, by chance? Whenever this fidgeting over surplus weapons begins, it resembles the sawing off of the property of the Ministry of Defense, and now the Russian Academy, coincides with the whine about the legalization of military weapons in Russia. They want to make money on everything, thieves and traitors.
  • Shellback
    Shellback 20 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +8
    And the most interesting thing. What a rotten approach they have chosen: the enemies think that if this criminal thought is voiced by foreigners, the people will immediately take it with hostility, and if by Russian experts, then it seems like normal. Supposedly "ours will not advise bad things." Who are they holding us for?

    Quote: Shellback
    Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko

    Mr. Makeenko who has not served in the army for a day and most likely did not even hold weapons in his hands will tell us about the destruction of Russia's strategic stock of small arms? When does the war knock on the door of Russia? Who will call us smart if we do this? And most importantly, what will we fight with? If the factories producing small arms are destroyed, all hope is only for reserves and warehouses.
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 20 September 2013 10: 29 New
      +4
      His surname is very similar to McCain. And he thinks there too.
      1. Shellback
        Shellback 20 September 2013 10: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Vrungel78
        His surname is very similar to McCain. And he thinks there too.

        You can understand McCain, he is an open enemy and does not hide it. And this one ... seems to be his own, but in fact "theirs".
    2. does it
      does it 20 September 2013 12: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Shellback
      ... Allegedly, "ours will not advise bad." Who are they holding us for?

      Now the merchants are in power in Russia, that's why we live. They will sell it, they will fill their pockets with money and run away. And in case of a big mess, they will use Soviet slogans, covering them with their bestial capitalist grin. request
      1. Shellback
        Shellback 20 September 2013 12: 35 New
        +1
        So it is likely to be request
    3. maklaut007
      maklaut007 20 September 2013 13: 34 New
      +1
      look at the face of the Racean intellectual pederast, and remember, it may flicker when this is in sight
  • Rex
    Rex 20 September 2013 10: 26 New
    +1
    On the topic of victorious speeches about increasing sales of "Saiga" in the United States, sounding not for the first year - with the recently announced TOTAL volume of production of civilian weapons at the level of $ 12 million per year, the share of "Saiga" in the state market with a turnover of more than $ 4 billion well. .. just "HUGE"
  • mithridate
    mithridate 20 September 2013 10: 27 New
    +3
    the machinations of the west, that's for sure
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 20 September 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    And if it happens that we will again look for weapons and remake training in combat.
  • Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 20 September 2013 10: 39 New
    +5
    Distribute to the Russian people! and immediately restore order
  • airatishe
    airatishe 20 September 2013 10: 53 New
    +2
    Suddenly! )
  • Agent 008
    Agent 008 20 September 2013 11: 04 New
    +1
    So I am always amazed when, as always, conversations begin that a lot of money is needed to dispose of obsolete machines ... Just as usual, someone will cut some money! In my opinion, ONE stove of a metallurgical plant will be enough for disposal, but an automatic machine is not a TANK — it does not take up much space ... In general, a new automatic machine is needed, they say the return is less, and the accuracy of fire is higher ... I agree, several holes in the enemy is always better than one!
    1. Rex
      Rex 20 September 2013 11: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: agent xnumx
      .And in general, a new machine is needed, they say the return is less, and the accuracy of fire is higher ... I agree, several holes in the enemy are always better than one!


      Better a runaway solitary.
      With all the balanced automation, the spread of the queue at distances over 100 m will still be great. and over 300 is impractical. Unless for group purpose
  • Watchman
    Watchman 20 September 2013 11: 08 New
    +3
    Those who have developed the resource should be disposed of, and the rest must be stored and still done! There aren’t many weapons, so that you don’t have to give Berdanki, axes, etc.
  • kirpich
    kirpich 20 September 2013 11: 10 New
    +3
    It is reported that at present about 16 million trunks of various small arms have accumulated in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, most of which are just Kalashnikovs. Moreover, almost 6,5 million of them have already exhausted their entire resource.

    Ah, here I do not understand. 6,5mln with a WORKED! Resource is stored in warehouses, WHY !? In order to hand out the defective weapons to the reservists in the event of a military conflict? And report, they say they are all armed? I think it’s time to shake the Defense Ministry’s rear service well, look, a lot of bugs will sprinkle.
  • apro
    apro 20 September 2013 11: 15 New
    +2
    Amer still keeps the trousers of the tsar’s order of the period of World War 1 and doesn’t take a steam bath, and then the Soviet trunks from the putneys were not like now, these fuckers would tear their heads off. They lie and let it lie so calm.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 20 September 2013 11: 16 New
    +2
    He studied at the end of the 60-th years at the Kharkov Military Aviation School of Communications. Once our platoon was sent to an armory. They ordered to load large boxes on cars. During the break we opened one box. There were brand new PPSh, filled with gun grease. There were a huge number of them. And how many such warehouses were throughout the USSR? Do not count.To our question: where they are being taken, we were briefly answered: "to Africa". Therefore, we have experience of where to "attach" illiquid weapons.
    1. Rex
      Rex 20 September 2013 12: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      ] There were brand new PPSh, filled with gun grease. [/ B] There were a huge number of them. [/ b]


      the same thing at the Tula plant in the early 90s
  • Agent 008
    Agent 008 20 September 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    But of course, I must add that when they say that 16 of millions of automatic machines is a lot, it’s ridiculous for me ... To see little space in Mother Russia for storing automatic machines ... Yes, any oligarch has money bags taking up more space ...
  • Sochi
    Sochi 20 September 2013 11: 33 New
    +4
    Bl ...... There are no normal words. How much can you step on the same rake? Theorists of war ... All war went on contrary to theories, and it was already in the process to make up for what the heretics destroyed or were not allowed to create.
  • Altona
    Altona 20 September 2013 11: 54 New
    +7
    3-4 million barrels is a necessary minimum in case of war ... The stock of personal weapons should be 4 times the personnel of the state army ... Now the army is just about a million, except for other security officials ... In case of war, the army at the expense of those mobilized, it will grow up to 5 million (we’ll hardly expose more), the soldier will die on the field along with personal weapons, he will not be able to transfer his trunk to the newly arrived ... Given such rotation, such simple arithmetic of the required number of weapons is added .. .We need 20 million trunks at least (!!!) it turns out ... And also keep in mind that a potential adversary has 1 trunk for each resident of his country ... For each, from a baby to a deep old man ... And here are some then the excess reserves are counted ...
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 20 September 2013 12: 00 New
    11
    Create a system of reservists, each give out a uniform, a weapon and a safe for storage. The mobilization readiness of the Armed Forces will increase, and the police will become more polite.
    1. nekish
      nekish 20 September 2013 13: 56 New
      0
      There is already a system of reservists.
  • does it
    does it 20 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +3
    Analysts say that the presence of such a huge number of small arms in Russia is useless.
    Here they are, the voices of the traitors of my homeland ....
  • GOGY
    GOGY 20 September 2013 12: 10 New
    +2
    This Makeenko either, or a traitor and in general - we have some special services that should deal with such entities, why not take this center (and he’s probably not alone) into development, where does the funding come from, if Makeenko then drive him filthy broom for such analytics and put there adekvat and patriot - really there are none left? And if he is an enemy and skin - then to the bunk, to learn to love the homeland. I think so . And with weapons, you need to do this: to restore NVP lessons in schools (as already suggested), give them all the training, leave some to army warehouses (for replacement), and part to retail - only to Russian citizens who have served urgent, criminal and etc. And then: time does not squeeze us, we don’t ask for porridge weapons, we need to calmly sit down and sort this matter out, in a businesslike and smart way, and not listen to any dubious analysts
  • lotar
    lotar 20 September 2013 12: 11 New
    0
    The next war is likely to affect not only people serving in the army, but also many others. Something I doubt that people who hold senior posts in the ministry of defense and in the army itself are able to adequately distribute the forces entrusted to them in the event of a global war. stuff their pockets with available resources. Most likely, a lot of people will die before these posts are occupied by military generals and admirals, who, though tiny, have a chance to win. God forbid if I'm wrong.
  • Stasi
    Stasi 20 September 2013 12: 17 New
    +1
    Obsolete AK-74 can be successfully sold after repair to other countries, to replace the ancient AK-47, which is in service. And the proceeds from the sale should be used to purchase new weapons for our army. That’s what everyone does. Americans, for example, repair their old stuff, bring it into salable condition and successfully sell it, and send the money to purchase new weapons. We also offer not to repair obsolete equipment for sale, but simply to cut it into scrap metal. No one will get any profit from this. Do not forget that even outdated Russian equipment and weapons that have been repaired will be able to compete with new Western weapons. This allows us to make inherent design and engineering solutions that make our weapons one of the best in the world. It is hoped that the era of Gaidar, who ordered to cut submarines and rivet pans out of them, will not happen again.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 20 September 2013 12: 38 New
      +1
      - And not only weapons - uniforms and equipment too! On the military second-hand market, there are samples of the 50s (!) Years of production. Here people really consider a pretty penny.
    2. matross
      matross 20 September 2013 15: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Stasi
      We also offer not to repair obsolete equipment for sale, but simply to cut it into scrap metal. No one will get any profit from this.

      Ahaha))) Will not get profit? No one?? Well, you fell from the moon! They will get the dough involved in the topic normally, for them you can be calm ...
      Does the FSB work for us, or what? The country's defenses insolently undermine - and silence ...
  • albanech
    albanech 20 September 2013 12: 17 New
    +1
    No need to divide into old and new - both shoot better than any other! You can sell part of Syria to confront the United States! You can simply put as they say until better times, they do not ask to eat! And in cases of which each of us will receive his own machine gun and there will not be two fighters - one gun for two and a knife with a gun with one cartridge! Think dear politicians that the world needs a weak Russia - we must accumulate to counter the US! Let the United States fear, and not spread its der * okraty in the world!
  • MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 20 September 2013 12: 19 New
    0
    Almost every month I read such news, and I am amazed at the idiocy and boundless thirst for dough in the "power".
    As the war starts, I saw this "power".
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  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 September 2013 12: 49 New
    0
    The picatinny rail certainly looks cool, but. Assume the available stocks of sights for the old mount, where to put it. How quickly stocks of body kits for the new mount will be accumulated, what will happen in the transition period. Two calibers of the new machine mean that they will be in the same unit at once, or how, obviously, problems will arise in logistics.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 20 September 2013 12: 50 New
    0
    Someone is ready to take with pleasure, and someone is already keeping laughing
    1. kirpich
      kirpich 20 September 2013 13: 35 New
      +1
      Some are lucky.