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In Russia, the development of passenger ekranoplanov

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Central Design Bureau (CDB) for hydrofoil vessels (SEC) to them. R.E. Alekseeva, located in Nizhny Novgorod, is developing two projects of modern large passenger ekranoplans. It is worth noting that the Central Design Bureau. Alekseeva is today the leading Russian company in the field of designing WIG, hovercraft (SVP), hydrofoil vessels (SEC), air-cavern vessels (SVK) and boats. This design office was founded in 1951 year. Since then, the specialists of this company have designed many models of the profile technology, produced serially.


Almost all Russians know such names as “Rocket” or “Meteor”. Almost everyone has ridden these hydrofoil boats at least once in their life. Both of these projects, like many others, were implemented by the Nizhny Novgorod Central Design Bureau for the SEC named after Alekseeva. This design bureau is also known for its ekranoplans, for example, the sea-mounted Ekranoplan rocket carrier "Lun" - a direct descendant and relative of the famous "Caspian monster"

At present, the enterprise is working at full speed on the creation of two variants of large ekranoplanes, which are being created within the framework of the state program “Development of civilian marine equipment”. The chief designer of the Nizhny Novgorod enterprise, Sergey Platonov, told reporters about this. According to him, the first passenger ekranoplane A-050 has already completed outline design, a technical project is currently being developed. All calculations and experimental work have already been carried out on this ekranoplan, the economic performance of the product has been fully calculated. In addition, work is underway to create a conceptual design of an A-080 WIG, as well as testing its models in the pool.

In Russia, the development of passenger ekranoplanov

The ekranoplan A-050 company is already through 3 of the year ready to transfer to all potential customers, and A-080 - through 3,5 of the year. Both types of developed passenger ekranoplans will have 2 starting and 2 cruise engines. Currently, both for A-050 and A-080 there is a sufficient choice of propulsion engines of both Russian and foreign production.

According to the official Soviet classification of ekranoplans called ships on a dynamic air cushion. These were high-speed vehicles that flew within the range of an aerodynamic screen. That is, at a relatively low altitude (up to several meters) from the surface of the earth, water, snow or ice. With equal speed and mass, the wing area of ​​the ekranoplans is significantly less than that of the aircraft. According to the international classification, this hybrid of the aircraft and the ship belongs to the sea vessels. Ekranoplanes today are not considered as aircraft that can sail, but as ships that are capable of flying.

According to the international definition, an airplane is a multi-mode vessel that, in its basic mode, flies with the use of a “screen effect” over water or any other surface, without constant contact with it. At the same time, the vessel is supported in the air using aerodynamic lift, which is generated on the air wing or wings, the ground effect vehicle or on parts of the wing that are intended to apply the “screen effect”.


The advantage of this type of vehicles is the fact that they can be used freely on a variety of routes, including those that are simply not available to all other vessels. Along with the pain of high seaworthiness and hydroaerodynamic characteristics than other types of high-speed vessels, almost all of them have amphibious qualities. In addition to the water surface, they are able to move over solid objects (land, ice, snow), as well as be based on land. Thus, the WIG was able to combine the best qualities of the aircraft and the ship.

If we talk about the screen effect, then, in fact, this is the same airbag, but only obtained by forcing air not by special devices, but by the incoming stream. To put it another way, the “wing” of an EKP-plane creates a lifting force not only with the help of rarefied pressure over the upper plane (like in ordinary airplanes), but also additionally due to the increased pressure under the lower plane. It is possible to create such pressure only when using the device at very low altitudes (literally from several centimeters to several meters). This height can be commensurate with the length of the average aerodynamic chord (WAH) of the winged surface effect vehicle. For this reason, the wings of such devices are usually trying to perform with a fairly small elongation.

The new ekranoplanes of the TsKB Alekseev have all the basic qualities of these devices, namely: high fuel efficiency, high movement speed, high safety, amphibiousness, high seaworthiness, good flight characteristics, all-weather use. In addition, the CDB for the SEC them. Alekseeva declare high comfort of their new developments.


Already on the site of the company contains information about the technical characteristics of the sea passenger airplane E-050. The ekranoplan A-050 will have a take-off weight of 54 tons, its carrying capacity will be 9 tons (up to 100 passengers). Cruising speed - 350-400 km / h. Seaworthiness (wave height) during takeoff / landing - 1,5 meters. It is assumed that this ekranoplan will receive an 2 version of the power plant: the first TRDD D-436ТПх7500 kgf, the second - the sustainer TVD TV7-117СМх2500 l. with and starting TRD P-195x4500 kgf. Depending on the power plant used, the range will be 3 and 5 thousands of kilometers, respectively. The length of the ground effect vehicle will be 34,8 meters, the width of the 25,3 meters, draft - 1,3 meters. The older model A-080 will be large. The take-off weight of this wig reaches 100 tons, cruising speed 410-450 km / h, the flight range will remain the same, seaworthiness will improve to 2-meters.

Information sources:
-http: //vpk.name/news/96905_passazhirskii_ekranoplan__k_2017_godu.html
-http: //www.interfax.ru/news.asp? id = 327839
-http: //www.ckbspk.ru/? p = 1211525479
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org
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  1. Denis
    Denis 20 September 2013 08: 41 New
    +5
    It’s worthwhile, at the same time experience is gained. It will not be superfluous for combat
    1. hiocraib
      hiocraib 20 September 2013 19: 00 New
      -19
      it's worth it - with cuts, and nothing more.
      time has already proved the futility of this project. many in the world played with this topic, and NOBODY brought it to commercial use.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 20 September 2013 19: 58 New
        +4
        As a mechanical engineer, I see the prospects of this area, and I understand why they are not developing. With enough mass production, it will be a cheap and fast type of Transport ....
        Therefore, they kill and slow down .....
        Recall gyros, a cheap analogue of a helicopter (nowhere cheaper))) it was brought to commercial use in the 30s of the last century ....
        But they killed the project, across the planet (due to low cost and super security)))
        Moreover, helicopters appeared in large numbers after two decades .....
        1. hiocraib
          hiocraib 20 September 2013 20: 15 New
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          Quote: Asgard
          killed the project, across the planet (due to low cost and super security)))

          Tell me, what is the "cheapness", how much does the gyroplane cost?

          and tell us about "safety", say for a village of 5 souls;)
  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 20 September 2013 08: 44 New
    +6
    I read about ekranoplans in 1990 in the journal "Technology of Youth". A very promising direction was undermined by the disaster of the "Caspian monster" (as the Americans called the device, having discovered it from space images) due to a gross pilot error. The crew was recruited from military pilots. And they had a professional habit to gain altitude in the event of an emergency, but here it was supposed to be exactly the opposite. As a result, the device turned over in the air, people died. Alekseev could not stand the closure of the project and died of a heart attack. So in any case they wrote in the magazine.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 20 September 2013 08: 51 New
      +4
      quote-This design bureau is known for its ekranoplans, for example, the marine ekranoplan, rocket-carrier "Lun" - the famous "Caspian Monster".
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 09: 38 New
        +2
        + Lun and the Caspian monster are different ekranoplans.
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist 20 September 2013 09: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      Amerikosov once had their knees trembling from "Loonie" ...

      В NATO military ekranoplan "Lun" immediately earned the nickname "Fighter aircraft carriers." And not in vain. The ekranoplan carried 6 Moskit guided missiles on its hump and could easily sink a huge aircraft carrier. At the same time, it was impossible to detect the Lun with the help of the radar facilities that existed at that time. The car moved at great speed literally above the surface of the water. So not only radars began to “smoke”, torpedoes and minefields were powerless against combat ekranoplanes.
      1. postman
        postman 20 September 2013 20: 40 New
        -4
        Quote: Bort Radist
        At the same time, it was impossible to detect the Lun with the help of the radar facilities that existed at that time.

        Well this is heresy
        Could a surface ship have been detected, but no ES?
        EM wave (radar beam) in the atmosphere at a speed of slightly less than 300 km / s
        to her (EM wave) on the "drum": 30 mph or 500 mph

        azimuth scanning: the antenna rotates around a vertical axis at a speed of 4,8; 11,5; fifteen; 15 rpm 15 rpm is the main, 11,5 rpm is used in the moving target selection mode, 4,8 rpm for receiving a high-precision video signal, 30 rpm in the antenna testing mode. In manual mode, the speed and position of the antenna is set by the operator.
        15 rpm = 1 rpm in 4SECONDS to her (antenna) on the "drum": 30 mph or 500 mph
        ===========
        WHAT IS THE COMPLEXITY THAT ?????
        AIRCRAFT (having a high speed) have been bearing since 1941 ... and here is a bast shoe like an ekranoplan?
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 21 September 2013 00: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Postman
          WHAT IS THE COMPLEXITY THAT ?????

          Radio horizon. It’s not difficult to find the ekranoplan, but it’s of little use, unless the radar operator has time to say a long obscene phrase, and not just one word. The problem of the horizon and now only the AWACS aircraft can reliably solve.
          1. postman
            postman 21 September 2013 01: 19 New
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            Quote: bot.su
            Radio horizon.

            AWACS, as well as I think a satellite (such as our ocean reconnaissance) -It will be happy to find it, I’m not talking about optical at all (you can see it from passenger boats in a clear sky)
            HERE IS SUCH A RESPONSIBILITY: Samo EP needs target designation, very

            Quote: bot.su
            , but there’s little use for it, unless the radar operator manages to say a long obscene phrase, and not just one word.

            There is no AWACS, there is no satellite, but the EP also does not have an external control center, he went on board the boarding (or flew)

            20-25 meters typical height ship radar locations
            I will not even count (40 meters on a 40V6MD tower and a radio horizon in an "open field" for 75 km.
            let it be 30 km
            30km (30m) / 000km / h (500 m / s) = 139 sec = ALMOST 215 minutes \ when you have a knack for coffee, you can make coffee




            Quote: bot.su
            The problem of the radio horizon and now only the AWACS plane

            I assure you of it (the problem) perfectly solves NOW:
            -balloon
            UAV
            Radar F-35
            -new TS system from Lockheed Martin (on the passine reflection of all sources of RI)
            -will decide: smart skin ALL aircraft
            -haarp
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 21 September 2013 17: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: Postman
              HERE IS SUCH A RESPONSIBILITY: Samo EP needs target designation, very

              So what a discrepancy. There was such a system of naval space reconnaissance and target designation "Legend". So she would have given target designation, Lun would have fired missiles from 100 km at a speed of more than 2 swings, and he himself would have turned around and left without being noticed. On an enemy ship, missiles would be detected on the radar at a distance of 30 km, and after 30 seconds the missiles already hit the target.

              Quote: Postman
              There is no AWACS, there is no satellite, but the EP also does not have an external control center, he went on board the boarding (or flew)

              Suppose there is no AWACS and no external target designation. Why boarding? The ekranoplan, according to the mind, is not one, but 3-4, in free hunting, peacefully dozing in the launcher 8 super-sound anti-ship missiles of the Mosquito. To have an approximately equal horizon, it flies the same at an altitude of 20-25 m. Ideally, one of the ekranoplanes flies at an altitude of up to 100 meters performing the functions of a scout, the rest aside on the screen or as a scout, is performed by an airplane. But while our ekranoplan flies at an altitude of 25 m. At a distance of 30-50 km, mutual detection occurs. A minute and a half to identify targets, maneuver if necessary and launch missiles. Another half a minute, and on enemy ships begins an intense struggle for survivability. Or the team quickly leaves the sinking ship. Of course the enemy air defense also manages to identify and shoot, but ... Nobody said it would be easy. Moreover, the EP is a fast-moving low-flying target, which has its own small anti-aircraft artillery, by the way, and the enemy air defense, in addition to the ekranoplan, has 8 approaching supersonic targets, and even false ones are not excluded. In general, not up to coffee.



              Quote: Postman
              I assure you of it (the problem) perfectly solves NOW:
              -balloon
              UAV
              Radar F-35
              -new TS system from Lockheed Martin (on the passine reflection of all sources of RI)
              -will decide: smart skin ALL aircraft
              -haarp

              So this is an endless competition of sword and shield. The problems of ekranoplanes on target designation and protection against the enemy will be solved:
              UAV
              Radar EP
              -SU system (on the passive reflection of all sources of radiation sources) based on the developments of SPP Special Radio, for example
              - smart covering of all ekranoplanes
              stealth technology
              -improved defensive weapons (missile and artillery systems, jamming systems, electronic warfare systems)
              - Etc.
              The WIG asset will always remain low altitude and high flight speed on the screen, the ability to move for a short time at an altitude of up to 150 m, the ability to move through water in planing and displacement modes.
              1. Andrey_K
                Andrey_K 21 September 2013 22: 02 New
                0
                Well, an ekranoplane cannot rise 100 meters - he needs an air screen.
                And to fly like an airplane, the wings are too short.
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 21 September 2013 22: 20 New
                  +1
                  Can. The concept of a rescue ekranoplan, which they wanted to make out of the second laid Moon, provided for movement on the screen to the crash site, ascent to one hundred meters and search, splashdown and rescue operations. Another thing is that this is an uneconomical mode for ekranoplan. Well, do not abuse it. In addition, now the drone is perfectly able to cope with the task of intelligence.
                  1. Andrey_K
                    Andrey_K 22 September 2013 00: 27 New
                    0
                    You can probably apply the variable geometry of the wing - if necessary, put forward additional wings and fly in airplane mode.
                    And what will be just a heavy aircraft with the ability to fly in screen mode - to save fuel.
                    At the same time, it will be a solution to the take-off problem - the ekranoplanes have a bottleneck to go on-screen flight, they need to be accelerated, and for this they do not have enough lifting power - with sliding wings it will be easier.
                    1. nerd.su
                      nerd.su 22 September 2013 02: 39 New
                      0
                      Quote: Andrey_K
                      You can probably apply the variable geometry of the wing - if necessary, put forward additional wings and fly in airplane mode.

                      May be. Although, if you need a plane that sometimes flies in screen mode, it’s more reliable to immediately make a plane wing normal in length, only much wider.
                      So the landing ekranoplan Orlyonok, the only serial EP - three pieces were built and operated, was essentially an ekranolet. Could come off the screen and fly at an altitude of up to 6000 m, if not mistaken.

                      Quote: Andrey_K
                      At the same time, it will be a solution to the problem of take-off - ekranoplanes have this bottleneck

                      If you build all the same ekranoplan, then you need a different solution. For example, the use for dispersal of hydrofoils and screws, as one of the options. The best solution is a new powerful and fairly economical engine. If he still does not need atmospheric oxygen, then in a very distant future the ekranoplan will master both the underwater environment and space ... Does the flying saucer look like nothing? smile Google ECIP. If this project is implemented, then a half-step will remain before the flying saucer.
                      1. Andrey_K
                        Andrey_K 22 September 2013 15: 15 New
                        0
                        He still does not need an underwater environment.
                        There are completely different requirements for the strength of the case and tightness.
                        The ekranoplan's task is to quickly transport huge loads over long distances.
                        And hiding under water is another task.

                        And hydrofoils are needed for any ...
                        And why are hydrofoil ships not fitted with small wings, for extra lift?
                        These two devices must be very successfully combined - to enhance the useful properties of each other.
              2. postman
                postman 25 September 2013 05: 11 New
                -1
                Quote: bot.su
                So what a discrepancy. There was such a system of naval space reconnaissance and target designation "Legend"

                1. ASAT WAS AT HER
                2. GRAB from 1960, POPPY from 1962, then “CORONA” (KN series) / 10 cm - resolution, KH-11 with an electronic data transmission system and a main mirror with a diameter of 2 m, these satellites gave a resolution of ~ 15 cm, “Lacrosse »With radar with synthesized aperture (resolution 0,9 m)
                http://www.proatom.ru/img10/mant_r3.jpg
                3. If EP entered the sea from the CASPIAN LAKE (which he never did), he would have been noticeable at the time of launch
                4. RCC launch is generally something, probably from a passenger plane on the other side of the Atlantic it would be visible
                5.If it "flies" at an altitude of 100m - CONVERT RADIO HORIZON
                Conclusion: n Legend has its own more perfect legend
                Quote: bot.su
                In general, not up to coffee.

                Before coffee, before coffee. In the meantime, he (EP) makes a combat turn, you can fry bacon and have breakfast
                Quote: bot.su
                Ideally, one of the ekranoplanes flies at an altitude of up to 100 meters performing the functions of a scout,

                EP right away
                Quote: bot.su
                At a distance of 30-50 km, mutual detection occurs.

                Do you understand what you are writing about? Compare the radar of the EP and the ship
                Quote: bot.su
                having its own small anti-aircraft artillery

                dead weight
                Quote: bot.su
                UAV

                EP uterus UAV?
                Quote: bot.su
                Radar EP

                Turned on, it remains to live exactly on flight time

                Quote: bot.su
                -SU system (on the passive reflection of all sources of radiation sources) based on the developments of SPP Special Radio, for example

                Ku
                Quote: bot.su
                - smart covering of all ekranoplanes
                stealth technology

                1.After firing a cannon at the A-10, according to the regulations, they clean the turbojet blades, after starting the anti-ship missiles, I don’t even know what is happening.
                What is the skin in the environment in which the EF flies? Recall that the EP is made BY SHIP TECHNOLOGY
                2.Stealth EP? Are you kidding me? Stealth with our tiny RCC ?, Photo look again it (EP)
                Quote: bot.su
                -improved defensive weapons (missile and artillery systems, jamming systems, electronic warfare systems)

                What kind of thing is it? What to shoot down then?
                which EW?
                Quote: bot.su
                the ability to move through water in planing and displacement modes.

                This is yes. ROCKET BOAT?
                Why fence the garden7
        2. Bort radist
          Bort radist 21 September 2013 08: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Postman
          Well this is heresy

          From the memories of the crews: There may be modern radars. But, in the 80s, we worked on this topic, tried it. In Makhachkala on the top of Tarki-Tau mountain, a special missile division was deployed for low-flying targets. We worked closely and long together. We flew differently, In the area of ​​the radius of the radar. It happened that they visually, and through the optical means, see us, but not on the radar. Add modern coatings, it will turn out very well.
          And from the memoirs of practitioners, the costs are minimal, it does not require the construction of expensive runways and everything related to this. Pre-landing preparation for landing and landing from a 1-5 meter flight height to the water takes a matter of minutes. On water, in planing mode, you can calmly approach any object, getting close, practical, close. And right there, take off, without losing a second of time. Take-off time from water takes 65-75 seconds, V separation from water = 225-230 and you are already flying.
          1. postman
            postman 25 September 2013 05: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Bort Radist
            Flew in different ways

            Are you talking about EP or about LA?
            I don’t get it! Note: S-200, S-300 air defense missile system
            Quote: Bort Radist
            Add modern coatings, it will turn out very well.

            You look at the ES with RCC, and forget about modern coatings, even its camouflage network will not save
            Quote: Bort Radist
            , does not require the construction of expensive runways and everything related

            1. take an interest in what technologies it (EEP) is built (de facto it is a flying ship
            2.how are you going to service? scheduled, replenishment, capital, refueling, ammunition, anti-ship missiles finally ship ...
            EVERYTHING ON FLOAT? Oh well
            Quote: Bort Radist
            from 1-5 meter flight altitude to the water, takes a matter of minutes

            Do not write nonsense, everything is not so simple and piloting, and planing and landing
            Read about the accident and how to pilot. Read
        3. scientist
          scientist 23 September 2013 20: 36 New
          +1
          Perhaps there were serious problems. The task of detecting a sedentary ship and a high-speed target on a water surface is diametrically opposed and require different settings of the SDS system. But even this is not the main problem.
          After all, torpedoes and mines are not an obstacle to the ekranoplane, coastal artillery is steamed up, anti-aircraft missiles are needed, and not every anti-missile missile will be able to hit such a quick target, here the missile defense cannons are more suitable. But their use on surface and ground targets also requires a special mode of operation in which the rocket makes a slide in front of the target (this is necessary for a radio fuse), but a nimble target can leave the affected area at that time.
          Thus, only thermal-guided missiles were suitable, and for these missiles there are thermal traps.
          So there was a reason for the Americans to shake their knees.
          1. postman
            postman 25 September 2013 05: 17 New
            -1
            Quote: scientist
            The task of detecting a sedentary ship and a high-speed target on a surface of water

            Detect low-flying ELSE MORE SPEED AND EVEN LESS (by orders of magnitude) RCC: capture, tracking, destruction
            Quote: scientist
            and not every anti-shipable missile can hit such a quick target

            how is she nimble? try to turn on the ES in azimuth.
            It will be discovered and destroyed by any deck with cannon weapons, before reaching the launch point
            Quote: scientist
            Thus, only heat-guided missiles were suitable

            For such a carcass, floppy, behind which such a loop is enough optoelectronic systems, and manually the same
    3. Bort radist
      Bort radist 20 September 2013 09: 28 New
      15
      Quote: xetai9977
      Alekseev could not stand the closure of the project and died of a heart attack.

      He was broken by persecution and intrigue. They were not allowed to test their own machines, were kicked out of the shops. At one time, the ekranoplan was presented to Khrushchev, who said - Brad !. Alekseev answered - Learn the laws of physics. I drew a sketch and said - you have to do this! “In general, Alekseev possessed some amazing design intuition. For example, when the diagrams of his hydrofoils were published abroad, one German professor of hydro-aerodynamics, having studied them, categorically stated: "These devices cannot move so fast - the wings will collapse from cavitation." Having learned that the Russians were already moving from prototypes to serial production, the wounded scientist could not resist and came to Alekseev. The foreign guest was given a ride on the Raketa, and he spent part of the voyage in a rather original way. At his request, the lower hatch was opened, the professor hung upside down closer to the water (two of the crew were holding his legs) and watched the water flows washing the wing. After a while, the professor assumed a normal position and, shaking Alekseev's hand, said: "Amazing, brilliant!"
    4. Denis
      Denis 20 September 2013 13: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: xetai9977
      Alekseev could not stand the closure of the project and died of a heart attack. So in any case they wrote in a journal
      Take a look at http://statehistory.ru/140/Morskoy-drakon--Ekranoplany-Alekseeva-/
      and there was also the film "Betray the Designer"
  3. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 20 September 2013 08: 47 New
    +1
    Great view of technology! smile
    Amerikosov once had their knees trembling from "Loonie" ...
  4. King
    King 20 September 2013 08: 57 New
    +1
    I hope in five years we will fly to the Black Sea with electric current from the north)
  5. svp67
    svp67 20 September 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    "ON THE WING! ON THE WING! ON THE WING !!!!!"
  6. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 20 September 2013 09: 22 New
    0
    The apparatus for civilian use is progressive, would go into operation in the Far North, along rivers, along the coast.
    And what is its economic efficiency? Fuel is getting more expensive now.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 09: 57 New
      +3
      And what is its economic efficiency? Fuel is getting more expensive now.

      Consumption is less than that of an airplane, with a greater payload weight.
  7. Igarr
    Igarr 20 September 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    Well, God forbid, God forbid!
    You look, in five years Oleg Kaptsov will change his views on the ekranoplans.
    .
    Immediately interested in such questions:
    - who is the customer and how many cars are planned?
    - which routes?
    - where and by whom will the technical staff for the operation be prepared?
    .
    Is Rogozin still fulfilling his promises on ekranoplans?
    Then it’s very good.
  8. Bort radist
    Bort radist 20 September 2013 10: 47 New
    +2
    LTH:
    Modification Lun
    Wingspan, m 44.00
    Length, m 73.80
    Height, m ​​19.20
    Wing area, m2 550.00
    Weight, kg
    empty 243000 aircraft
    maximum take-off 380000
    Engine type 8 TRD NK-87
    Thrust, kgf 8 x 13000
    The maximum speed, km / h 500
    Practical range, km 2000
    Flight height on the screen, m 1-5
    Seaworthiness, points 5-6
    Crew 10
    Armament: 6 PU PKR ZM-80 Mosquito
  9. rotor
    rotor 20 September 2013 10: 55 New
    +4
    It is very important in ekranoplan to pay great attention to the issue of security.

    A ship moving at high speed at low altitude is a danger. This especially applies to exploitation on rivers, with their bends, the presence of numerous obstacles, be it: fishermen, ships with their high antennas, bridges. The ekranoplanes will be forced to fly at an altitude above 3 meters and have a powerful automation system on board to maximally exclude the influence of the human factor.
    1. rotor
      rotor 20 September 2013 11: 11 New
      0
      I wondered. Where are the hydrofoils? And stumbled upon an article
      http://topwar.ru/30635-novye-razrabotki-ckb-po-sudam-na-podvodnyh-krylyah-im-re-
      alekseeva.html
      smile
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 11: 16 New
      +2
      Hydrofoil vessels are also dangerous because of their speed. Nevertheless, they fly along the Neva, as much as dust. The main rules for their flight to develop. For remote areas where it is impossible to build GDP, but far away for a helicopter, the ekranoplan is just perfect.
      1. rotor
        rotor 20 September 2013 11: 36 New
        0
        The comet has a maximum speed of up to 111 km / h, is operated at a speed of 65 km / h, and the maximum speed of the A-050 is 450 km / h. There is a difference, it is clear that the A-050 will not be operated on rivers at this speed. After all, the A-050 is a marine ekranoplan.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 20 September 2013 11: 54 New
          +1
          A-050 has a maximum of 450 km / h.

          Well, it is clear that no one in the city limits or the village will not let the unit with a cruising of 450 km / h. Get directions, put signs. And if someone climbs on a boat or swim under the wing of an ekranoplane ... well .. he will collect the bricks in a small homestead.
          1. edge
            edge 20 September 2013 14: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            Well, it’s clear that no one will let the machine go to the city limits or villages

            and for these settlements there is an aquaglider, oriole-2 with a capacity of up to 11 people or a carrying capacity of up to 1t.
    3. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 20 September 2013 12: 24 New
      0
      The whole question is how high this speed is, I'm sure the river ekranoplanes will be legally limited in size and speed, otherwise security will drop sharply. That is, the future lies with marine and oceanic projects.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 12: 37 New
        0
        Duc, small ekranoplanes are already flying with us. I don’t know the truth, how they are formed by law and by what rules they move, but they fly. And there are already, in my opinion, a dozen models.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 20 September 2013 14: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          I don’t know the truth, how they are formed by law and by what rules they move, but they fly.

          For river ekranoplanes in our country, the "TEMPORARY RULES OF CLASSIFICATION AND
          CONSTRUCTION OF SCREENPLANES "http://www.opengost.ru/iso/47_gosty_iso/47020_gost_iso/4702001_gost_iso/12312-do

          polnenie-1.-vremennye-pravila-klassifikacii-i-postroyki-ekranoplanov.html They move, respectively, according to the "Rules of Navigation on Inland Waterways of the Russian Federation".
          For marine ekranoplanes, changes have been made to the MPPSS-72 and the "Interim Safety Guide for WIG craft" has been developed.
          WIGs in airplane mode are subject to the requirements of ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization), taking into account the features of ekranoplanes.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 20 September 2013 14: 30 New
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            Thank you so much. So, there are rules, though temporary. It remains to correct them, taking into account the operation of real large ekranoplanes and go.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 20 September 2013 14: 58 New
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              You are welcome. In Russia, as you know, there is nothing more permanent than temporary smile So it’s good that there are at least temporary ones. Large ekranoplans will certainly do. Oblivion awaits them only if antigravity is saddled earlier.
              And I would buy a small eranoplan, but the trouble is that it costs an infection of about 5 million. But the speed and rights only to manage small vessels, the benefit is somewhere gathering dust in the documents.
          2. edge
            edge 20 September 2013 14: 55 New
            0
            Quote: bot.su
            I don’t know the truth, how they are formed by law and by what rules they move, but they fly.

            The right to command gives a training course on the right to control the Navy, i.e. an ordinary motor boat or boat.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 20 September 2013 15: 01 New
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              Quote: hert
              The right to command gives a training course on the right to control the Navy, i.e. an ordinary motor boat or boat.

              You did not quote my quote. Incidentally, I have such rights. There is no money for ekranoplan laughing as I wrote above ...
  10. bars280
    bars280 20 September 2013 10: 55 New
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    Sorry for the question. I am an ignoramus in this matter. And ekranoplanes can be used in the oceans or in the open seas ???? Let's say wherever you are in the Mediterranean Sea ????
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 11: 19 New
      +2
      And ekranoplanes can be used in the oceans or in the open seas ???? Let's say wherever you are in the Mediterranean Sea ????

      Yes. KM took off with excitement of 4 points.
      And since the ekranoplane has three types: the actual screen up to 3 m above the surface, with the possibility of jumping up to 50-100 meters and quite a hybrid, with the possibility of a stable flight up to 3-4 km above the ground, there will be no problems in the ocean.
      1. avt
        avt 20 September 2013 18: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Wedmak
        And since the ekranoplane has three types: the actual screen up to 3 m above the surface, with the possibility of jumping up to 50-100 meters and quite a hybrid, with the possibility of a stable flight up to 3-4 km above the ground, there will be no problems in the ocean.

        This was the story when Alekseev showed the commission's apparatus and told what and how, one of the generals said - "so let everything that is above the pillar fly - an ekranoplan, the rest - an ekranoplan"
  11. saag
    saag 20 September 2013 11: 13 New
    +6
    A-050 loading capacity is 9 tons, it’s not really passengers to carry, but for cargo it’s not enough, more is needed to deliver goods to the North, a project for delivering goods along the Northern Sea Route would be interesting, icebreaking assistance is not required, it turns out cheaper, and speed
  12. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 20 September 2013 11: 58 New
    +1
    WIG is where we really can make a breakthrough
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 20 September 2013 13: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: ivshubarin
      WIG is where we really can make a breakthrough

      The breakthrough was made long ago, it’s up to the "small" to keep it!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 14: 10 New
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        They didn’t hold it anymore, ekranoplanes are building everywhere. Really small. But about freight and commercial passenger - it will be a real breakthrough.
  13. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 September 2013 12: 18 New
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    It is interesting how real the "high seaworthiness" of ekranoplanes is, what kind of storm they can withstand, and from whom the crew will be trained, pilots or sailors.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 12: 40 New
      0
      I wonder how real the "high seaworthiness" of ekranoplanes is, what kind of storm they can withstand,

      Looking at the design. Although it is hardly worth the wait for the huge ocean monsters now.
      and from whom the crew will be prepared, from pilots or from sailors.

      Most likely not from pilots, but to pilots. WIG pilot. Yet he flies, albeit low. And the speed is quite aviation.
    2. amp
      amp 20 September 2013 13: 21 New
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      up to 4 points.
      But they are very fast, and in which case they will always have time to get to the base.
      1. Algor73
        Algor73 20 September 2013 16: 11 New
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        The dubious effectiveness of ekranoplanes in the civilian sphere. Where, besides the Caspian Sea, or perhaps the Sea of ​​Azov, should they be used? On the rivers? With this speed? In the North or East, where waviness is often as low as 4 points a rarity? And in the Caspian the weather can change in a matter of minutes, what then? This is not a plane that will fly around the cloud. and it is not always safe to fly over snow and ice. It’s any object higher than 1,5 meters and that's it, we arrived (or flew in). Only in the military sphere, such as the "Caspian monster", which is not afraid of storms due to its size.
        1. Kadavercianin
          Kadavercianin 23 September 2013 15: 41 New
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          It’s not at all a fact that the screen is 1.5m, the larger and wider the apparatus, the higher the screen, when flying over the tundra or ice or a plain, more often than 4 meters will be enough, and in the end, not the 70s, if you really want to put some bells and whistles (an analog of the radar for search for suddenly popping posts from under the ground, for this a bunch of everything was created in a way). Any relatively flat surface is suitable for ekranoplanes, and plains, steppes, tundra, ice, swamps and water are already somewhere, but in Russia there is enough, by the way, if the surface is constantly changing (from the plain to the swamps, and then to the river), then it’s even as a plus, since the route can be done by anyone, and you do not need to change the transport.
          In Ukraine, too, most of the territory is steppe, but our population density is different, and the infrastructure is better, so we only carry people along the Dnieper or to neighboring sea powers.
  14. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 20 September 2013 12: 25 New
    +4
    It would be an excellent vehicle for the Kaliningrad region, the main thing is to calculate the cost of tickets so that it is cheaper than an airplane.
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 September 2013 12: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      to make it cheaper than an airplane.

      - The cost of the airfield, and thanks to this, you can really reduce the price. Oh, how I would like
  15. amp
    amp 20 September 2013 13: 18 New
    +3
    WIG - this is a Soviet invention, which in the Russian Federation has been undeservedly ignored. And the USSR did not appreciate it.
    The ekranoplan has a huge potential in both the military and civilian spheres.

    He has tremendous speed, almost no flight altitude, that is, it is almost impossible to detect it with a radar. Arm the ekranolan with mosquito missiles and you get an excellent strike complex. A dozen of these machines can easily attack AUGs.

    Landing ekranoplans is also a great thing. These are now in the Caspian flotilla, although we should keep them in the Far East. What is the use of them in the Caspian? In Soviet times, they were placed there for testing and training drugs, and in the future, apparently, construction was planned for other fleets.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 13: 39 New
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      Such are now on the Caspian flotilla

      They are not in the Caspian flotilla ... you mixed up with the SVP. And those old Stingrays. Jeyran saw a couple of years ago, but I don’t know what happened to him now.
    2. Denis
      Denis 20 September 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      Quote: amp
      WIG - this is a Soviet invention, which in the Russian Federation has been undeservedly ignored. Yes, and in the USSR did not appreciate
      Only now the probable friend is not asleep, a long-standing infa came across:
      "The Sikorsky Model S-57 retractable rotor tiltrotor design was developed during ... 1951, 1952, and 1953. Several configurations were explored during that period, but the final design was essentially a single-blade, counterbalanced jet aircraft with an inflated rotor that can be stopped and started in flight, thus providing both helicopter and aircraft flight characteristics in the same aircraft

      http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/S-57%20CONVERTIPLANE.php
      And if tomorrow is war?
    3. postman
      postman 21 September 2013 02: 31 New
      0
      Quote: amp
      WIG - a Soviet invention,

      Let me remind you, the WIG patent and the first demo model belongs:
      T.Kaario in 1935

  16. saag
    saag 20 September 2013 13: 27 New
    0
    Quote: amp
    These are now in the Caspian flotilla, although we should keep them in the Far East. What is the use of them in the Caspian?

    Sorry, but what kind of landing operations are possible in the Far East?
    1. amp
      amp 20 September 2013 13: 42 New
      +1
      During the heavy war for the Kuril Islands.
      In addition, there is work for them even without landing operations. Not one poaching schooner will leave the ekranoplan. Itself is armed with a heavy machine gun and can carry up to 2 assault platoons in full gear. That is, poachers can be boarded.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 13: 44 New
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      Japanese poachers scare. laughing
    3. Denis
      Denis 20 September 2013 14: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: saag
      Sorry, but what kind of landing operations are possible in the Far East?
      So are there all friends now?
    4. nerd.su
      nerd.su 21 September 2013 17: 23 New
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      Quote: saag
      Sorry, but what kind of landing operations are possible in the Far East?

      Ideally, landing in Alaska.
  17. saag
    saag 20 September 2013 13: 47 New
    +1
    the only thing it can be suitable for is cargo transportation, and if a 500-ton ton is revived, it’s still somehow possible, and then I think the military
    1. opl34
      opl34 20 September 2013 16: 47 New
      +1
      Year-round is one of the big pluses
  18. Diviz
    Diviz 20 September 2013 14: 04 New
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    The cost of the ticket will be equal to the price of a flight on an airplane. Or at first they will let out for vip persons and then maybe when the thunder breaks out they will replace the old ships.
    1. amp
      amp 20 September 2013 14: 20 New
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      As far as I know, they are up to 4 points. A small storm and that's all, tickets are gone. I don’t know how to deal with this problem. Tickets, of course, can be insured, but this price will increase .... not a very reliable thing for scheduled passenger transportations.
      Another matter for the Ministry of Emergencies for example. Or for private campaigns that work somewhere in the north. To get to the same offshore platforms. Cheaper than a turntable.
  19. bars280
    bars280 20 September 2013 14: 06 New
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    And how they will board, it just is possible. After all, they need to stop completely to drop the group. I think they’re not suitable for such a thing. Correct if I am mistaken.
    1. amp
      amp 20 September 2013 14: 10 New
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      On boats as an option. Well, the schooner of course must be stopped in advance.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 14: 35 New
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      Well why not go? Kater also needs to stop. But the fact is that poaching boats are often equipped with multi-horsepower engines and easily evade pursuit. And here ... try to leave ... drown nafig and will not notice. And he will say, he didn’t see anything, nobody was there.
    3. Bort radist
      Bort radist 20 September 2013 17: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: bars280
      Correct if I am mistaken.

      On the water from the wing there was a smooth descent into the water. Harrier on the water "sagged" by 9 meters. They could easily watch for any object. Starting engines helped to get out of the water, if necessary, they could replace the main engines. In addition to ekranoplanes, there are ground-effect vehicles.
  20. Bort radist
    Bort radist 20 September 2013 14: 13 New
    +3
    From the memoirs of veterans "Literally a few people know about this, but in the year, approximately 1983-85, we ,,, in the regime of secrecy and secrecy, at our own peril and risk, without any consent, and permission, several times,, quietly ,,, raised ,, EAGLE ,, S-21, purely visually and tentatively, approximately to a height of 300-500 meters, (but,
    before each such departure, K.K., Yu.G., individually and personally, one on one, always asked each crew member for such a dangerous flight, everyone had the right to refuse, such a flight, but no one refused), the weather and the visibility was excellent, they flew like this for 20-30 minutes. According to KK, he is also a commander in / h (Yu.G., a very competent and experienced pilot), the ekranoplan, at such an altitude, doesn’t listen well to the rudders, especially the aileron flaps and completely unstable in the GP, it is constantly pulling somewhere, there is a constant threat of overflowing on its side or in a tailspin. the steering wheel must be held firmly, constantly ,, struggled ,, and parry the rudders of these deviations and disturbances.
    But then, he was stable and beautiful when flying near the screen.

    The project ,, MOON ,, especially could not rise to such a height.
    Well ... they know a little more about this than "literally a few people"))))))
    I was told about these "experiments" too, but the figure was slightly less - 100 meters ...
    But, it's not about numbers, there really is no altimeter, but over the sea, go by eye to determine - it's 100 meters or 300)))) "
    Who is interested in watching here http://www.borshec.ru/news-view-237.html
  21. ShtyrliTTS
    ShtyrliTTS 20 September 2013 14: 29 New
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    I remember that earlier on the site local experts and I gave a negative assessment of the ekranoplan in terms of economy, and as a consequence of this and the appropriateness of use.
    1. Kadavercianin
      Kadavercianin 20 September 2013 15: 34 New
      +3
      The economic efficiency of ekranoplanes should be considered in the context of what we compare it with and where we want to see this efficiency.
      Usually, an ekranoplane is rather populistly labeled with the speed / price ratio "the speed is like an airplane, and the cost is like a ship." This is, in principle, an incorrect definition, since the ekranoplan, as a mode of transport, is as far from airplanes as from ships. In fact, it is closest to hovercraft (according to the principle of movement) and it is most expedient to compare the ekranoplan with them. In this situation, an ekranoplan is more than an order of magnitude superior to hovercraft. By the way, this is also said in research works regarding ekranoplanes.
      In addition, experts often do not specify something else, that not a single more or less large ekranoplan was created with an optimal aerodynamic scheme for it, that is, a wide "flying wing" of large width and small (relatively) elongation, without sweep, edges which is bent down (sorry I don’t know how to formulate it correctly), I’m not talking about the engines at all. Here's a long, narrow suitcase.
  22. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 20 September 2013 15: 13 New
    +4
    In 2009, on City Day, a monument to Rostislav Evgenievich Alekseev, the world-famous designer of hydrofoils, ekranoplanes and ekranotov, was solemnly unveiled at the intersection of Komintern Street and Yubileiny Boulevard. His portrait is even in the gallery of outstanding personalities of the XX century in Washington (USA).

    It is no coincidence that the monument to R.E. Alekseev was installed precisely in the Sormovsky district of Nizhny Novgorod. After all, it was at the Krasnoye Sormovo plant that it began to emerge as an outstanding designer, as a creative and outstanding person.

    Alekseev was sent to the plant at the end of the Faculty of Shipbuilding (now the Faculty of Marine and Aviation Engineering) of the Gorky Industrial Institute. Zhdanova (now it is the Nizhny Novgorod Technical University that bears his name).

    From 1941 to 1943 he worked as a master of tank production. There was a war, there was only one slogan: "Everything for the front, everything for the victory!" As R. Alekseev recalls, “the time was difficult, raids on Gorky of fascist bombers were not uncommon. On one of these days, the chief designer of the plant V.V. Krylov suggested that I create a hydrofoil combat boat. The words of the chief designer at that time had great confidence in victory, he saw the future, he seemed to say to me on behalf of the whole team: we trust you, work for the future, and we will take your burden today! Whether it was necessary to talk about how I was inspired by this trust! ”

    And although the boats of R. Alekseev did not have time to take part in the hostilities, but they laid the foundation for high-speed shipbuilding in Russia. "Rocket" was the first-born in a series of space names for ships. At that time he said: "Our motto is from space names to space speeds."

    Rostislav Alekseev was able to accomplish much for the first time thanks to his practical mind and bold design ideas. He first used a dynamic air cushion. For the first time performed the flight of large-capacity aircraft at ultra-low altitudes with aircraft speeds. First used aviation gas turbine engines. For the first time installed a ski shock-absorbing device on an aircraft.

    Link to the site: http: //www.gttp.ru/MP/mp_61.htm
    hi
  23. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
    i_vam_ne_hvoratj 20 September 2013 15: 57 New
    +1
    Dear colleagues on the site, the topic is interesting. I try, as far as possible, to follow the design idea in this area. The first sane publications on non-displacement or partially displacement vessels appeared in the 80s of the last century in the magazines “Boats and Yachts”. For its development in the interests of the country (we are talking about the civilian component of the project) at that time there was everything. Now, if you will, about realities. I don’t want to look like a grave digger of an idea, like a cat in a sandbox. The advantages are very serious: speed, price-quality ratio, and safety of navigation (in order to slow down any of these vessels, it was enough to make it displacement. Then hydrodynamics did its job.) We do not pay attention to scumbags for the helm. There are old proverbs (or sayings) regarding them: “How long can a glass buoy be a fool” or “You can break a buoy foolishly.” Let's talk about the realities. Let's start with the infrastructure. Name at least one passenger terminal capable of receiving such beauties (No irony - really impressive.) But there must be at least two such terminals in the zone. The second one. At a minimum, there must be an operator. Give me at least one coastal communications operator who can finance this project. And the third. There should be a region interested in transporting this type of transport, taking into account the actual hydrometeorological situation. These realities, let's be honest with ourselves, will become real (I apologize for taftology.) When the state puzzles them. And with regard to design ideas - well done (One level higher than our sworn friends.).
    1. Kadavercianin
      Kadavercianin 20 September 2013 16: 37 New
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      There is even a theory that in the USSR the topic of ekranoplanes was stopped due to the fact that under already established departments (roughly speaking the fleet and fleet managers) the ekranoplanes suggested a significant expansion of infrastructure, it doesn’t matter to which department they would be assigned, so it turned out that there was no one no problems with the new mode of transport.
      1. avt
        avt 20 September 2013 22: 27 New
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        Quote: Kadavercianin
        There is even a theory that in the USSR the topic of ekranoplanes was stopped due to the fact that under already established departments (roughly speaking fleet and fleet managers) ekranoplanes assumed a significant expansion of infrastructure,

        This is not a theory. Indeed, Alekseev worked at the junction of two ministries - Shipbuilding and Aircraft, but was assigned to shipbuilders, hence the difficulties in supplying aviation materials, well, the relationship with the minister, like Butoma, did not work out then - Alekseev through his head went to Khrushchev. Well, Brezhnev didn’t really like him, I don’t know why.
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 20 September 2013 17: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      Let's talk about the realities. Let's start with the infrastructure. Name at least one passenger terminal capable of receiving such beauties

      Any port accepting passenger ships. It is enough to apply a long ladder. And if you foresee the possibility of landing through the wing, then just any berth to which meteors, for example, can approach.

      Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      The second one. At a minimum, there must be an operator. Give me at least one coastal communications operator who can finance this project.

      Any operator using high speed passenger ships. For example, the group of companies "Amur Shipping Company".

      Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      And the third. There should be a region interested in transporting this type of transport, taking into account the actual hydrometeorological situation.

      Siberian and Far Eastern Federal Districts. The hydrofoil ships there are still widely used and ekranoplanes brought to mind will go with a bang.

      Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      These realities, let's be honest with ourselves, will become real (I apologize for taftology.) When the state puzzles them

      I completely agree here. But it soon puzzles them. For such vehicles will be in demand in the world. See the list of countries where our SECs were shipped. Even the US did not disdain. With all the indifference of our authorities to industry, those industries that have good export prospects (and even dual use) will live well. It is only necessary that China begin the exploitation and export of its ekranoplanes, otherwise there are no prophets in their own country.
  24. No_more
    No_more 20 September 2013 17: 14 New
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    If long-distance traffic is established, then how to deal with cascades of dams on rivers? Here is what is interesting. Is it really planned to fly them?
    1. Kadavercianin
      Kadavercianin 20 September 2013 17: 23 New
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      If it can fly quite steadily at an altitude of 500-1000 meters, then quite, why not? Well, I think so.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 17: 48 New
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        Dams and even more so hydroelectric power stations are strategically important facilities. No one will allow you to simply jump over them several times a day.
      2. hiocraib
        hiocraib 20 September 2013 20: 59 New
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        Quote: Kadavercianin
        if he can fly steadily enough at an altitude of 500-1000 meters

        can not.
        1. Kadavercianin
          Kadavercianin 23 September 2013 15: 48 New
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          Why not? Or simply no. Much will depend on the engines used and aerodynamics, here the maximum height will depend on the implementation scheme.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 September 2013 17: 45 New
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      how can cascades of dams on rivers be? Here is what is interesting. Is it really planned to fly them?

      Cut a 100-meter-wide clearing bypassing the dam. At the same time, passengers will appreciate the passing pine and spruce. smile
  25. amp
    amp 20 September 2013 18: 53 New
    +1
    All the same, I think that the main application for ekranoplanes will be in the Navy.
    6 mosquitoes, speed 500 km \ h, practical range 2000 km.

    And most importantly, it is difficult to detect it with a radar. If you use stealth technology, it will be generally invisible. This is the real killer of aircraft carriers! And most importantly, how much cheaper than a large ship is an aircraft carrier. In the North and the Far East, a couple of dozen of these pieces will completely change the balance of power off our coasts (and not only offshore).

    There he is.
    1. Kadavercianin
      Kadavercianin 20 September 2013 19: 35 New
      0
      In the tundra and the Arctic, ekranoplanes will also be very appropriate.
  26. saag
    saag 20 September 2013 19: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Kadavercianin
    In the tundra and the Arctic, ekranoplanes will also be very appropriate

    Yes, it’s there, now the recovery in the Arctic is beginning, so there they can and come in handy
  27. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 20 September 2013 20: 36 New
    +1
    WIGs have been undeservedly forgotten in our country. After all, Americans still can not create something like that. A return to the construction of new ekranoplanes is a good sign. These ships have unique capabilities in speed, carrying capacity, maneuverability. We need to remember and bow to the outstanding designer Rostislav Evgenievich Alekseev shipbuilder, creator of hydrofoil ships, ekranoplanes and ekranoletov. He is a laureate of the Lenin (1962) and Stalin Prize of the second degree (1951). Twice made a revolution in the world shipbuilding and aircraft industry.
    1. hiocraib
      hiocraib 20 September 2013 20: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      After all, Americans still can not create something like that.

      not able, but unwilling.

      the complete futility and uselessness of ekranoplanes - this is from the same "unparalleled world" as a tank ballet, a staff uniform for polkans and American stars on Russian soldiers.
  28. gerafak
    gerafak 20 September 2013 20: 44 New
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    I doubt the practicality, as mentioned above: on the rivers of hydroelectric power stations and locks, on the sea - a lot depends on the weather, and on the ground to route over a more or less flat area, and still not bother anyone - is also unlikely. Indeed, it may come in handy in the north or on large lakes
  29. Takashi
    Takashi 20 September 2013 21: 15 New
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    Wing - with the current development of technology / technology, the economic model of Russia - a pure utopia.
    Tell me on which oceans / seas / rivers / lakes can it be operated?
    It is simply not economically viable.
    On the lakes - there are not large boats, OMs, trams, self-propelled barges (cheaper, more reliable, longer, and you can transport cars with a cow)
    On rivers - with great navigability and shallowness, bending of river arms - this unit flying with v = 450 km / h will easily lose its "screen", and in this it will lose its superiority over conventional light-engine aircraft. Under the Soviet Union - the Rockets / Meteors cost - that's for them really Alekseev "big bow".
    Oceans? - do not tell my slippers
    Inland seas? - there are ferries. Also

    And in the North, it is useless. Those who live in the North know about it. !!! Better than the usual U-2.

    Anyone who has money can try exotic, fly ... and he is useless.

    Despite the developments for the military - not one of them was brought to the serial model.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 21 September 2013 17: 48 New
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      Quote: Takashi
      And in the North, it is useless. Those who live in the North know about it. !!! Better than the usual U-2.

      Why is it useless in the North? And in the Far East, in Siberia?

      U-2? Do you communicate with us from a temporary hole? This is a story ...
      1. hiocraib
        hiocraib 21 September 2013 19: 18 New
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        Quote: bot.su
        Why is it useless in the North?

        climate not?
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 21 September 2013 21: 11 New
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          Quote: hiocraib
          climate not?

          Not ... Tea is not seasoned with bananas, the climate is not a hindrance. laughing
    2. Kadavercianin
      Kadavercianin 23 September 2013 15: 09 New
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      Quote: Takashi
      Anyone who has money can try exotic, fly ... and he is useless.


      Wing is exotic as much as hovercraft. If they are exotic, please justify. The ekranoplanes are just the niche of these boats and occupy, in addition, they are expanding, mainly due to greater efficiency than these boats (by the ratio of fuel consumption to transported cargo by an order of magnitude, I don’t remember the link, look for research papers and literature on ekranoplanes, it’s free in the net lies).
      The ekranoplanes as landing ships are generally a fairy tale. It’s just that landing with their help takes place, in comparison with traditional methods (landing boats or a landing ship close to the shore) it is made much faster (well, boats do not get out, except on an air cushion and very small ones, on shore). If anyone knows how to land and how long it takes, he will understand, especially if, in addition to people, you also need to drop off the equipment, and not the easiest one.
    3. alexandrastafiev
      alexandrastafiev 5 May 2014 12: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Takashi
      Despite the developments for the military - not one of them was brought to the serial model.
      Well, my friend about the "serial sample" you "bent" Okay, let's assume that "Lun" was not a serial, well, "Eaglet" for the military it is not a series. And now people make and sell http://www.trekivolga.ru/products.htm tongue laughing good
  30. sef-77
    sef-77 22 September 2013 01: 46 New
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    would be faster .... !!! how much time everyone develops - but in practice, everything doesn’t grow together
  31. studentmati
    studentmati 23 September 2013 01: 45 New
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    As practice shows: both in Russia and in the USSR, any innovative development in aviation is successful only if the developer has an "administrative resource"! stop

    As the saying goes: "a good person" is not a profession. wassat
  32. studentmati
    studentmati 23 September 2013 03: 41 New
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    Each development is promising, provided that the developer is not looking for "short money"!
  33. scientist
    scientist 23 September 2013 21: 08 New
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    Interestingly, was the possibility of using ekranoplanes in Arctic ice considered? After all, this is how unique a replacement for icebreakers and northern caravans can be.
  34. vimati
    vimati 6 October 2013 20: 09 New
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    This topic has been developed for over 80 years! The result is zero. Headwind, catch and ... disaster !!! 80 years forehead against the wall !!! I do not understand this. Mind is not enough !!!
  35. alexandrastafiev
    alexandrastafiev 5 May 2014 12: 07 New
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    Quote: hiocraib
    it's worth it - with cuts, and nothing more.
    time has already proved the futility of this project. many in the world played with this topic, and NOBODY brought it to commercial use.

    Alekseev is a talented scientist. Such a person did not engage in "bullshit". I would have lived longer now and there would be no question about the effectiveness and the like for ekranoplanes. In general, they are made and sold. And if there is a demand, then everything will be http://www.trekivolga.ru/products.htm