Military Review

The Israeli Ministry of Defense decided to abandon the new Merkava tank.

78
The Israeli Ministry of Defense has decided not to develop the fifth-model Merkava tank, but to continue the production of the Merkava 4, according to Israel Defense website.


About a year ago, the Ministry of Defense decided to form a group led by brigade reserve general Didi Ben-Joash, who was supposed to be responsible for the development of "tank future "for the Israel Defense Forces. The leaders of the defense industry and the command of the ground forces were invited to express their views on how this tank should look.

However, it has now become known that in the framework of the new IDF multi-year plan, it was decided to consider possible alternatives, rather than develop the Merkava 5 project. Thus, the tank "Merkava 4" will be the most advanced model in service with the Israel Defense Forces.

In this regard, it is suggested that the rejection of the Merkava 5 model is associated with a change in the concept of the “tank of the future” for the IDF. It will be lighter, smaller, with automatic charging and a crew of two people and have at its disposal a modular system weapons, including its various types, including rockets.
Originator:
http://9tv.co.il/news/2013/09/19/159043.html
78 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 20 September 2013 08: 03 New
    +4
    Cheto Jews again conceived, or something did not work.
    1. mogus
      mogus 20 September 2013 08: 09 New
      13
      Maybe it’s just not necessary.
      The abilities of Mk.4 are more than enough at the moment and for the future. In the foreseeable future, the opponents of the Israelis are unlikely to have anything worthwhile ...
      1. domokl
        domokl 20 September 2013 08: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: mogus
        Maybe it’s just not necessary.

        laughing They don’t have enough trailers to take such tanks to war. The world in the East is rapidly changing (in the sense of arming itself) and now it’s stupid to spend a lot of money on development. It’s easier to upgrade or buy. Not so much there too.
      2. svp67
        svp67 20 September 2013 08: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: mogus
        The abilities of Mk.4 are more than enough at the moment and for the future.

        I agree. And "five" - ​​will remain in the role of "joker in the sleeve"
        1. Kars
          Kars 20 September 2013 10: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          And "five" - ​​will remain in the role of "joker in the sleeve"

          It can be seen Israel and not hoping to compete with Armata. Or not boitsa.
          1. shinobi
            shinobi 20 September 2013 11: 18 New
            +1
            "Vampire" (RPG 29) generally doesn't care what kind of tank to burn. There is simply no protection from it. And the device has been in service for 25 years. Tanks, in their previous form and concept of oncoming combat, are slowly becoming the past.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 20 September 2013 11: 43 New
              0
              There is protection against it, RPG 29 just has a tandem comulative part, which gives it the ability to hit enemy tanks that are not equipped with protection against such ammunition.
            2. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 14: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: shinobi
              "Vampire" (RPG 29) generally doesn't care what kind of tank to burn. There is simply no protection from it. And the device has been in service for 25 years. Tanks, in their previous form and concept of oncoming combat, are slowly becoming the past.

              Well, in recent years there have been no collisions, but it never meant that there would be. It’s too early to bury tanks, and with the development of modern air defense systems, the relevance of tanks is only growing. Creating a superheavy tank is easy, but a superheavy helicopter is pointless.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 11: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: Kars

            It can be seen Israel and not hoping to compete with Armata. Or not boitsa.

            Well, the next 10 years is definitely not going to. Firstly, even if "Armata", having eliminated all "childhood" diseases, goes into production in 2016, then the saturation of the RA will take 10-15 years.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 20 September 2013 13: 51 New
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Well, the next 10 years is definitely not going to. Firstly, even if "Armata", having eliminated all "childhood" diseases, goes into production in 2016, then the saturation of the RA will take 10-15 years.


              Now Israel has no probable opponents with strong regular armies along the way. (Egypt and Syria had less powerful armies) Tank battles are a thing of the past, resistance to lightly armed semi-guerrilla and sabotage formations comes to the fore, and therefore they correctly concluded in Israel
              with a change in the concept of the "tank of the future" for the IDF. He will easier less with automatic charging and crew of two and have at their disposal modular weapon system including its various types, including missiles.

              First of all, increase maneuverability and, most importantly, increase the effectiveness of the crew’s actions independently without the support of additional firearms. They probably took into account the experience of using tanks against rebels in Syria. Although I am not an expert in tanks, at first glance it is precisely this conclusion that begs itself.
          3. Cynic
            Cynic 20 September 2013 11: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            It can be seen Israel and not hoping to compete with Armata. Or not boitsa.

            Rather, the second.
            Conceptually, cars of one class.
            decided to abandon the new tank "Merkava"

            It’s very similar to a divorce, they’ll name the five, for example, Merkava 4Bis and what?
            This right to a new name must be defended, but to modernize ...
            hi
      3. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 14: 27 New
        0
        Well this is a controversial statement. Assad will still need to rearm. As for Merkava, this is the fruit of the leak of Soviet ideas. The very concept of tank building is more like a Soviet school than a western one.
        And yet in 2006, the Merkava did not really differ. There may not be many losses, but there were enough incapacitated.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 14: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Gluxar_
          Well this is a controversial statement. Assad will still need to rearm. .
          even old tanks from the BHVT RA will be useful to him now. In general, as always, everything rests on financial capabilities.
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 16: 32 New
            0
            Well, it’s not easy to supply Russia with junk, only to ruin the image. Although now the T-80 is being withdrawn from service, there are more than 4000 of them. Here the market can be filled in countries of the 3rd world. And to Syria t-90, and drive it against the merkava.
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 20 September 2013 08: 37 New
      +4
      However, it has now become known that within the framework of the new multi-year plan of the IDF, it was decided to consider possible alternatives ...

      Right! It's time to take real tanks, for example the T-90! soldier
    3. mejik
      mejik 20 September 2013 09: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Cheto Jews again conceived, or something did not work.

      Nooooo ,,, They saw a Polish miracle and realized how they lagged behind in a tank design fashion. laughing
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. experienced
      experienced 20 September 2013 10: 20 New
      +8
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Cheto Jews again conceived, or something did not work.

      Already have a sample according to the assignment
      It will be lighter, smaller, with automatic charging and a crew of two, and have at its disposal a modular weapon system, including its various types, including missiles.

      It remains to place rockets lol
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 20 September 2013 15: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Cheto Jews again conceived, or something did not work.


      what not to take away from them - they are able to think flexibly and make risky decisions. and the idea is a candy. a medium tank with a small crew and a large range of weapons is just what is needed for a modern war.
    7. alone
      alone 20 September 2013 16: 36 New
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Cheto Jews again conceived, or something did not work.


      and what if you think about a pragmatic approach. in the region there is no real force left that can oppose something against Israel.
  2. small
    small 20 September 2013 08: 04 New
    +6
    The Israelis are just waiting for the Armata to appear.
    1. The comment was deleted.
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 20 September 2013 08: 06 New
    21
    The Israeli Ministry of Defense decided to abandon the new Merkava tank.
    All. The professor will shoot himself ... crying
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 20 September 2013 08: 08 New
      14
      Quote: retired
      All. The professor will shoot himself ...

      Yeah, with Pupyrchaty .....
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 20 September 2013 08: 14 New
        +3
        Wait, there will be nuts on you. smile
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 20 September 2013 08: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Wait, there will be nuts on you.

          And then they will shoot themselves anyway. The world is collapsing ...
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 20 September 2013 08: 14 New
        +4
        Merkava 4


        and Merkava 5 concept
        1. svp67
          svp67 20 September 2013 08: 57 New
          +1
          well, with a lifting carriage, they coolly "wise" it would be interesting to see THIS in metal ...
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 14: 35 New
            -7
            Quote: svp67
            well, with a lifting carriage, they coolly "wise" it would be interesting to see THIS in metal ...

            It looks especially interesting at the presentation, when the observation devices block the rotation of the tower. In my opinion, immigrant USSR citizens no longer have ideas. All that is in the mercans is thought up in the councils, it’s just that the country is smaller, therefore it took less time to implement. Now they are waiting for the Russians to come up with .to copy faster.
            By the way, what is this version of the BMPT with anti-tank weapons.
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 20 September 2013 14: 55 New
              +4
              Quote: Gluxar_
              In my opinion, immigrant USSR citizens no longer have ideas

              You are on the VO website, at least take a little interest in the history of Israeli tanks, in what year they began to be made and when the repatriation from the CIS began. It's funny to read. Of course, I understand that all countries borrow ideas from each other, but to write that everything was created based on the achievements of the USSR is utter nonsense ..
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 20 September 2013 09: 03 New
          0
          Some kind of concept is not tenacious ... 4 skating rinks (isn’t it enough?), A lifting gun (what for ?!), complex projectile delivery ... looks more like a simplified toy.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 11: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            Some kind of concept is not tenacious ... 4 skating rinks (isn’t it enough?), A lifting gun (what for ?!), complex projectile delivery ... looks more like a simplified toy.

            This is not a concept MK-5 hi ... These are the students of the Technion who are fooling around. wink
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 20 September 2013 12: 31 New
              0
              On the other hand, from such a foolishness, then new concepts emerge ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 20 September 2013 09: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: retired
      All. The professor will shoot himself ...

      ... well, maybe he will live longer, it's a pity "the soul is alive" ...
      1. Kars
        Kars 20 September 2013 10: 18 New
        +4
        In general, the professor will be glad. Stronger he will be glad only when they announce the removal of tanks from the arsenal of Tsakhal.
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 20 September 2013 11: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: retired
      The professor will shoot himself ..

      Quote: ziqzaq
      with Pimple .....

      In the sense of NIKi will change ?!
      bully
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 20 September 2013 14: 07 New
        -2
        Quote: Cynic
        In the sense of NIKi will change ?!

        Not. Ask your favorite drone to shoot him ...crying
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 21 September 2013 13: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: retired
          Ask your favorite drone to shoot him.

          Nope.
          A holy place is never empty .
          Personally, you need thugs on the forum, instead of quite adequate opponents?
          Better damn familiar than unfamiliar.

  4. NOMADE
    NOMADE 20 September 2013 08: 17 New
    0
    In principle, it is logical. They are developing a new generation tank concept. Those. - modularity, crew reduction, uninhabited turret, rocket-cannon armament, reduction in size and mass.
    And at the moment, Merkava - 10. (with gradual modernization) is quite enough for them for 20 - 4 years.
    This partly resembles our situation, we refuse to buy new tanks of "modifications of the T-72" (roughly speaking), so the Ministry of Defense is waiting for a new type of tanks.
    Time will tell whether this decision is right or not ...
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 20 September 2013 10: 12 New
      +2
      "Modularity" is just a tribute to fashion.
      Everywhere now they stick this term, from pistols to ships.
      And if in ships, due to the size it is still permissible, in tanks "modularity" is nonsense.
      How it will look like you have a tank, but in a specific situation it is superfluous, the company commander orders to remove the turret and replace it with xs, the MLRS module (which, by the way, fiddles with the "baggage"). So what?
      If modularity means the use of one platform for different types of combat vehicles, then this is called "unification".

      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 10: 41 New
        +1
        I have a heavy platform. Lot. Hundreds Stands at the finished product site. An order was received from the MO for 50 tanks and 20 BMPTs. We take the platforms, stick the necessary towers there (which can even be supplied by another factory), fasten the kit - voila. Those. Nifiga towers are not unified, but the chassis yes - a single. But essentially we are connecting two modules.
        That somehow I see it.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 20 September 2013 10: 54 New
      0
      Quote: NOMADE
      In principle, it is logical. They are developing a new generation tank concept.

      It has been worked out for a long time and not by Jews, sorry, not by Israelis.
  5. AX
    AX 20 September 2013 08: 22 New
    +5
    This I think is the official version, and they rivet into a quiet super-wunderwafer ...
  6. The comment was deleted.
  7. major071
    major071 20 September 2013 08: 33 New
    +6
    The Merkava tank development program was approved in August 1970, shortly after Britain refused to sell the Chieftain tanks to Israel. The design work was led by Major General Israel Tal, which is unusual for the world practice of tank building. Tal was not an engineer, but a military officer, a participant in all the Arab-Israeli wars. During the Six Day War, he commanded one of the three armored columns that crushed the Egyptians in the Sinai, and in the late 1960s took up the post of commander of the armored forces of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). [5] The steel model of the tank was already made in April 1971, during 1972 the concept of front placement of the engine-transmission compartment (MTO) on the converted Centurion tank was worked out. In December 1974, the first two prototypes were built. The first 4 production tanks were transferred to the IDF in April 1979, and in October of the same year the Merkava Mk.1 was officially accepted for service. Later, modifications of the Merkava Mk.2, 3, 4 appeared.
    Until 2010, the tank was considered secret and was declassified after production stopped. In 2010, the Merkava Mk.4 was exhibited at Eurosatori 2010 in Paris, where it was very much interested in the Russian delegation headed by the chief of armaments Popovkin. An extended show was even made.
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 14: 41 New
      -3
      The beginning of the development of the Merkava tank coincides with the beginning of the movement of repatriation of Jews from the USSR. That's when the workings flowed there.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 20 September 2013 14: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Gluxar_
        The beginning of the development of the Merkava tank coincides with the beginning of the movement of repatriation of Jews from the USSR. That's when the workings flowed there.

        What is repatriation in the 70s ?? Units left, the wave went in the 90s, and there are still practically no immigrants from the CIS in the design bureau of the Ministry of Defense, but there are many of their children who have not been trained here.
  8. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 20 September 2013 08: 39 New
    +2
    It is interesting that our former compatriots together with the natives will develop, well, very interesting.
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 September 2013 08: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Smac111
      It is interesting that our former compatriots together with the natives will develop, well, very interesting.
      What what - "a tank of the 21st century ..."
      1. d1m1drol
        d1m1drol 20 September 2013 09: 04 New
        0
        Sounds like a curse word hi
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 20 September 2013 09: 00 New
    +4
    It’s just that they know how to count ... a 5th generation tank will also burn, like a 4th generation tank ... the current will cost much more. They understand very well from the experience of Abrams ... they will burn it anyway. From here and declination to caterpillar carts .. . cheap, but the effect is the same.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 20 September 2013 15: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      It’s just that they know how to count ... a 5th generation tank will also burn, like a 4th generation tank ... the current will cost much more. They understand very well from the experience of Abrams ... they will burn it anyway. From here and declination to caterpillar carts .. . cheap, but the effect is the same.

      I think not the last factor here - KAZ-s. Personally, I would have put all my resources into finalizing and purchasing KAZ for all armored vehicles, than to develop a new tank. Plus in new realities, it is very important to strengthen the Navy
  10. Wedmak
    Wedmak 20 September 2013 09: 06 New
    +1
    I agree with the small, waiting for Armata. Today, we are the only ones who are seriously developing the latest heavy platform. So they want to see what it is and how it will be. And then, if they like it (and knowing our tank builders, there is an opinion that there will be a very advanced platform, and quite cheap), they will really want to buy a license for release.
    1. Nukem999
      Nukem999 20 September 2013 09: 16 New
      0

      ..................
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 09: 48 New
        +1
        These pretty prototypes, in my opinion, are still in the form of video on the network. But this is not a multi-purpose platform, but an ordinary old tank, with welded a la stealth forms.
        1. Nukem999
          Nukem999 20 September 2013 10: 00 New
          +1
          Russia is not the only country working on a new tank
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 20 September 2013 10: 06 New
            0
            Instead of saying "over a tank," I said over a heavy platform.
  11. Denga
    Denga 20 September 2013 09: 37 New
    0
    Quote: mogus
    Maybe it’s just not necessary. The abilities of Mk.4 are more than enough at the moment and for the future. In the foreseeable future, the opponents of the Israelis are unlikely to have anything worthwhile ...

    If Syria and Iran fall and a caliphate arises, then Israel will have very serious problems, up to the existence of the state of Israel, so Jews need to keep gunpowder dry.
  12. Altona
    Altona 20 September 2013 09: 51 New
    +2
    I think that a 5th generation tank is the same expensive toy as a 5th generation aircraft ... A lot of bells and whistles for 15-20 minutes of battle and not the fact that you will use them ... Namely, a highly intelligent board with reconnaissance targets, aiming weapons, communication and interaction with their own, automatic recognition of problems, plus a mini-missile defense system with the protection of the tank from attacks by air-to-ground missiles and other ammunition falling from above, sophisticated combined armor, smart ammunition, paint-absorbing all sorts of aimed rays , active armor from everything and everyone, various clever sights and periscopes and a powerful engine to drag all this somewhere, then along the sand, then through the swamp ... What's the point?
    1. Arti
      Arti 20 September 2013 10: 47 New
      +1
      They have other tasks, they are not going to participate in the world war, the main thing for them is to withstand the first blow. And each such twist will help increase the chance of crew survival, which will significantly reduce losses during the first strike.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 September 2013 10: 51 New
        +1
        They have other tasks, they are not going to participate in the world war, the main thing for them is to withstand the first blow.

        That's it, the poor all attack !!! Life does not give! And how do you quietly, from behind you strike airstrikes, is that God or something ordered ????
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 September 2013 11: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          But how do you quietly, from behind you deliver air strikes, is it God or something that ordered ????
          Exactly. There is such a God called "Shekel" lol
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 20 September 2013 16: 55 New
      +1
      Variable thrust vector, radar sight, guided missile weapons, on-board computers - and what for it is all the planes carrying ...)))))))))))
  13. goldfinger
    goldfinger 20 September 2013 10: 03 New
    0
    Just like a modern car - 35 - 40% of the cost is electronics, some of which are just show-offs. But the car does not last 20 minutes. Jews can count money, this is their main strength. Unlike ..... we will not offend anyone.
  14. goldfinger
    goldfinger 20 September 2013 10: 10 New
    0
    Just like a modern car - 35 - 40% of the cost is electronics, some of which are just show-offs. But the car does not last 20 minutes. Jews can count money, this is their main strength. Unlike ..... we will not offend anyone.
  15. Megatron
    Megatron 20 September 2013 10: 18 New
    +2
    Will there be no new Merkava? The professor is in shock !! ))))
  16. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 11: 48 New
    +1
    On the basis of communication with my friends, reserve officers and open publications in the Hebrew press, I have long formed the opinion that everything is heading towards this. Firstly, compared to 1982, when the IDF relied on tank divisions, and there were 11 and more than 3000 units in service, today the emphasis is on mechanized divisions and the number of t / d has been reduced to 5 and the number of tanks to 2000 units. Today, only tanks of the Mk2 / 3/4 type remained in service with both urgent and resirvist units. Today, the rearmament of 7t / b on Mk-4 has begun, which means that by the end of 2014, only 7 and 401 b / b on Mk will remain in regular units. -4 and 188 on Mk-3. All tanks of the Mk-2 type will be transferred to the reserve brigades and as the number of reservists trained to serve on these machines decreases, they will be written off to storage. Thus, by 2024, only Mk-3/4 vehicles will remain in the personnel and reserve units. In total, about 1300 cars will probably remain. Thus, there will be a complete unification of calibers at 120mm, and due to the fact that these types of vehicles are created with modular armor, it is much easier to upgrade them in terms of enhancing protection. The options for installing the LMS from the Mk-4 to the Mk-3 have already been tested, but today the Mk-3 already has the Baz LMS, which is slightly inferior to the Four's LMS.
    In the foreseeable future, IDF does not see real threats from NE of neighboring states, therefore IDF is building its NE for local conflicts for the next ten years. Even large but local, not exceeding the tension of the 1982 conflict in Lebanon. At the same time, the IDF plans to increase the capabilities of the Air Force, Navy and technical intelligence.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 20 September 2013 12: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      In the foreseeable future, the IDF does not see real threats from the NE of neighboring states

      Still, neighboring states would not feel a real threat from the IDF!
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 12: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Cynic

        Still, neighboring states would not feel a real threat from the IDF!

        Cynic, what did you post "two"?
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 20 September 2013 12: 59 New
          -1
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          and what did you post "deuce"?

          Mmm, deuce? But Merkava?
          Do not be high deuce! Her that has already been removed from service?
          Personally, my opinion is that Merkava two, three, four is such a divorce of civilian suckers by the military that can be described neither in a fairy tale, nor in a pen!
          This is with us, a little, that _ Brand new !!! But to dig ...
          wink
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 13: 09 New
            0
            http://btvt.narod.ru/4/morkova/merkava.htm
            It is better written here than I can tell.
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 20 September 2013 12: 50 New
      0
      On the basis of communication with my friends, reserve officers and open publications in the Hebrew press, I have long formed the opinion that everything is heading towards this. Firstly, compared to 1982, when the IDF relied on tank divisions, and there were 11 and more than 3000 units in service, today the emphasis is on mechanized divisions and the number of t / d has been reduced to 5 and the number of tanks to 2000 units. Today, only tanks of the Mk2 / 3/4 type remained in service with both urgent and resirvist units. Today, the rearmament of 7t / b on Mk-4 has begun, which means that by the end of 2014, only 7 and 401 b / b on Mk will remain in regular units. -4 and 188 on Mk-3. All tanks of the Mk-2 type will be transferred to the reserve brigades and as the number of reservists trained to serve on these machines decreases, they will be written off to storage. Thus, by 2024, only Mk-3/4 vehicles will remain in the personnel and reserve units. In total, about 1300 cars will probably remain. Thus, there will be a complete unification of calibers at 120mm, and due to the fact that these types of vehicles are created with modular armor, it is much easier to upgrade them in terms of enhancing protection. The options for installing the LMS from the Mk-4 to the Mk-3 have already been tested, but today the Mk-3 already has the Baz LMS, which is slightly inferior to the Four's LMS.
      In the foreseeable future, IDF does not see real threats from NE of neighboring states, therefore IDF is building its NE for local conflicts for the next ten years. Even large but local, not exceeding the tension of the 1982 conflict in Lebanon. At the same time, the IDF plans to increase the capabilities of the Air Force, Navy and technical intelligence.


      And is it planned on a running four that there will be some kind of equipment other than a plan or is it very expensive?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 13: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

        And is it planned on a running four that there will be some kind of equipment other than a plan or is it very expensive?
        well, rather on the basis of "Namer". As far as I remember, yes. BREM, tankobulance and engineering vehicle instead of "Puma".
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 20 September 2013 22: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Even large but local, not exceeding the tension of the 1982 conflict in Lebanon. At the same time, the IDF plans to increase the capabilities of the Air Force, Navy and technical intelligence.


      They switch to the tactics of "asymmetric war" or else such a war is called in military theory and practice nonconventional , everything is clear now. In short, the parties to the conflict in this case, Israel must be prepared for the prohibited methods of warfare against itself as a weaker militarily enemy in any local conflict.
  17. Horst78
    Horst78 20 September 2013 12: 11 New
    0
    Israel Defense Ministry has decided to abandon the new tank "Merkava"
    quite logical. No "Merkava" will help against our Topols laughing
  18. Stasi
    Stasi 20 September 2013 12: 58 New
    -3
    Tank "Merkava" as such was created on the basis of technologies stolen in the USSR. The fact that he made an impression on Popovkin and the company is not surprising, the professionalism of our generals fell sharply. "Merkava" has strong armor but it is still vulnerable in our conditions. A tank of this type can only fight in the desert, in difficult rough terrain it is vulnerable. They say Saakashvili was interested in such a tank, the Georgians even wanted to buy a batch for their army. But the deal did not materialize.
    1. major071
      major071 20 September 2013 16: 15 New
      +5
      As a prototype of the Merkava tank, an experienced American light tank T92, developed in 1956, was used.
      http://topwar.ru/29851-konstruktivnye-uyazvimosti-osnovnoy-boevoy-mashiny-aoi-me
      rkava-mk4-okonchanie.html
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 17: 02 New
        0
        What the ? Merkava is one of the heaviest tanks in the world and its prototype was a lightweight T92? All the same, the centurion was the basis, but the layout has similar ideas from the T92.
        Most likely, Israel was a small state and could not afford to develop several classes of armored vehicles at that time. Merkava, in my opinion, is an extremely unsuccessful tank in world practice, but extremely successful for Israel. In the statagy of maintaining a database, the Israelis have no need for a massive offensive of armored vehicles over a wide sector of the front, when 800 tanks are thrown into the breakthrough. With such a quantity, it is much more profitable to support tanks using classic infantry fighting vehicles. Merkava is a hybrid for the terrain and the nature of the conflicts.
  19. Just
    Just 20 September 2013 13: 09 New
    -6
    The Israeli army, like all its weapons, is imprisoned for the struggle against the Palestinian Papuans. Those. all merkavs were counting on protection from outdated, non-modern ammunition, mines and other land mines. The United States was supposed to protect Israel from a real war. However, recently, forces in world politics are rapidly changing, and the United States is rapidly weakening. That is why the new tank no longer meets today's requirements. The Israelis are well aware that very soon they will need tanks for a real war with neighboring states, and not tanks for 2-3-day campaigns to the Papuans. Hence the new requirements - the new tank should be a full tank, i.e. such as they do in Russia - low weight, automatic loader, small crew. I think that they cannot do the crew in 2 people, they will do it in 3.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 13: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Simpleton
      The Israeli army, like all its weapons, is imprisoned for the struggle against the Palestinian Papuans. .
      thanks for the good sense of humor. Was funny. hi
      1. Stasi
        Stasi 20 September 2013 14: 14 New
        -3
        If the Palestinians had grenade launchers such as "Cornet", "Fly", "Vampire" it would be even funnier.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 20 September 2013 15: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Stasi
          If the Palestinians had grenade launchers such as "Cornet", "Fly", "Vampire" it would be even funnier.

          Yes, yes, and that too !! And the Death Star. They still remember the operation "Protective Wall" and they understand that if they start knocking down tanks, the protective wall will seem like a fairy tale. The sluggish "resistance" is beneficial to the Palestinian militants, on the one hand, sponsors continue to give lava, on the other, the IDF has no good reason, in the eyes of the world community, to roll them into the sand and return the checkpoint to each road and grouping within the territories of tens of thousands of soldiers ...
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 17: 04 New
            -3
            Take control of the Sector again? Did Israel miss the attacks? Hezbollah did not particularly restrain herself; Tsakhal seemed to have swallowed in 2006. Wanted a revenge?
        2. Mairos
          Mairos 20 September 2013 17: 00 New
          +2
          "Cornet" - ATGM and not a grenade launcher, "Fly" - as ancient as the fossilized eggs of dinosaurs.
          "Vampire" - yes, a grenade launcher, and yes, Hezbollah has it
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 21 September 2013 13: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Was funny.

        Not always, these Papuans, these are those Papuans.
  20. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 20 September 2013 13: 19 New
    +1
    A carrot, in principle, is not a bad tank, well, they stopped developing it, of course they star, but they don’t need to produce it, they don’t need to - the modernization potential of old carrots is enough for the eyes. It’s just an ordinary saving )
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 September 2013 13: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
      A carrot, in principle, is not a bad tank, well, they stopped developing it, of course they star, but they don’t need to produce it, they don’t need to - the modernization potential of old carrots is enough for the eyes. It’s just an ordinary saving )

      Well, yes, at the beginning of the article it was written in black and white that they would continue production.
  21. Strashila
    Strashila 20 September 2013 13: 51 New
    -6
    It can be concluded that the army will not prepare for an open confrontation between Israel and the army in the next decade ... it is easier for them to cooperate, finance and supply Islamic terrorists, as the situation in Syria has shown.
  22. pensioner
    pensioner 20 September 2013 18: 56 New
    -2
    Well ... Good night everyone! Professor-nightmares ...
  23. Urri
    Urri 20 September 2013 23: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Strashila
    It can be concluded that the army will not prepare for an open confrontation between the army in the next decade ...


    North Africa and the Middle East are now changing as rapidly as Chinese weapons. How would the "Merkawa 5" in 10 years be opposed by the Chinese MBT model "Sun Fuy Qiai"
  24. Basarev
    Basarev 20 September 2013 23: 59 New
    -3
    It seems that the glory of the world's Jewish usurers has shaken like milk teeth. Israel's treasury is clearly emptying, and meanwhile "poor, backward Russia" has already created the first prototype of the Armata and is not going to stop.
  25. gregor6549
    gregor6549 21 September 2013 18: 29 New
    +3
    Merkava was created by Israel under the specific conditions of the theater in which Merkava was to act and for specific tasks solved by the Israel Defense Forces. Unlike the tanks of the USSR, he never set the task of breaking through the English Channel to this tank; therefore, it makes no sense to compare it with Soviet tanks. Moreover, one of the most important tasks posed to the Merkav developers was the task of ensuring the maximum possible protection for the crew and the infantry accompanying the tank. Therefore, the tank was designed taking into account the possibility of transporting this infantry not on the armor but under its protection. Those. it was based on the principle of piece-by-piece rather than statistical accounting of their military personnel, which somewhat did not coincide with the principle of accounting for military personnel in the Army Sov.
    Naturally, the Merkava, like any other tank, has its own strengths and weaknesses, and this was taken into account when creating the means of destruction of such tanks, but the creators of the Merkava also didn’t "click" in vain and invented many means of protection. Those. the usual dialectic of the development of means of warfare. It is difficult to say whether the Israelis stole ideas from the designers' owls. they steal, they steal and will steal everything, from everyone and everything that lies badly. It's just that some stolen goods are immediately put into action, while others do not know what to do with this stolen. All the more often it happens that the stolen is not made of anything, and there is nothing and no one. This is me, alas, not about Israel.
    And personal impressions. I was a couple of years ago in Israel visiting my former colleagues. Among other things, they organized a visit to the tank museum, which contains tanks of all times and peoples, including Merkavas of different models. The machine is impressive. As a former system engineer, I was particularly impressed with tank electronics (displays, communications and data transmission, etc.). In particular, the tank can exchange data with the automatic control system of the battlefield in real time and therefore receive information about the tactical situation obtained by the land. aviation and other types of reconnaissance, as well as target designation. Having such a picture in a tank is worth a lot. The ergonomics of the crew members' jobs are also quite on the level. Yes, and that crew is covered pretty well. In general, there is something to learn there, but probably not a sin.
  26. Basarev
    Basarev 30 September 2013 23: 20 New
    0
    But this is all because of cowardice. Israeli soldiers are scared to shred their precious carcass under bullets