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SAU "Coalition-SV-KSh" show at the exhibition Russian Arms Expo-2013

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A few months ago, representatives of the Russian defense industry promised that the exhibition Russian Arms Expo-2013, which will be held in late September in Nizhny Tagil, will show several samples of the latest domestic military equipment. It later emerged that the general public would not be able to see some of the promised combat vehicles. Nevertheless, in the list of types of equipment declared to be shown remains one of the most interesting developments of recent times. At the RAE-2013 exhibition, the Coalition-SV self-propelled artillery mounted on a wheeled chassis will be demonstrated for the first time. This option is called "Coalition-SV-KSh".


SAU "Coalition-SV-KSh" show at the exhibition Russian Arms Expo-2013


The existence of the Coalition-SV project became known in the middle of the last decade. Then developed a version of self-propelled howitzer on tracked chassis. The prototype passed a series of tests, but in 2010, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense announced the termination of funding for the project. In the future, work continued, apparently, on its own initiative. The result of the continued development of a promising ACS was the combat vehicle, which is planned to be shown at the upcoming exhibition.

The “Coalition-SV” ACS was developed by the Nizhny Novgorod CRI “Burevestnik”. The company Motovilikha Plants (Perm) and the KAMAZ automobile plant (Naberezhnye Chelny) also participated in the creation of the wheeled variant of the self-propelled howitzer. When creating a new self-propelled gun on a wheeled chassis, we had to solve some technical problems. In this case, all three enterprises benefited from the experience gained by “Burevestnik” in the development and testing of a similar previous project. At the beginning of the eighties, the Msta-K self-propelled artillery installation on a wheeled chassis was created at the Petrel Research Institute. That development did not reach mass production, but it helped to get a lot of necessary information.



The four-axle vehicle KAMAZ-6560 Tornado is used as a chassis for the new Coalition-SV-KSh self-propelled howitzer. This chassis is already being used in the armed forces as a base for the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems. At the same time for use in self-propelled artillery installation machine "Tornado" has undergone some changes. First of all, the chassis frame was modified. When firing at this unit is subjected to huge loads, which required to strengthen it. In addition, some other parts of the chassis have been modified. These modifications were related to the installation of a large-sized gun turret.

It should be noted that the creation of the KAMAZ-6560 vehicle actually gave the green light to the development of self-propelled artillery on a wheeled chassis. The chassis available before the appearance of the Tornado could not be a base for ACS with characteristics at the level of the new Coalition-SV-KSh. The KAMAZ-6560 has a payload of about 24 tons, which made it possible to use this chassis as the basis for a new combat vehicle.

In front of the chassis is an armored cockpit. It is noteworthy that a number of technical solutions applied in the “Coalition-SV-KSh” project made it possible to transfer the workplaces of all crew members to the forward cabin. According to the authors of the project, the cabin is equipped with all the necessary equipment to monitor the work of various combat vehicle systems and control the operation of the gun turret. In addition, the cabin is equipped with heating systems, allowing the crew of self-propelled guns to work in low temperatures.

An armored cannon tower is installed on the chassis platform. The fighting compartment is uninhabited. It contains automated stacking of ammunition, automatic loader, as well as 152-mm howitzer 2А86. Unlike the self-propelled gun "Coalition-SV" on a tracked chassis, there is one gun in the turret of a self-propelled howitzer on a wheel, and not two. Information about the ammunition and rate of fire of the new SAU is missing. Some assumptions on this subject can be made on the basis of available information about the first version of the self-propelled gun. The two-gun ACS could carry up to 70 separate-sleeve ammunition and fire at a rate of up to 15 rounds per minute. Probably, the rate of "Coalition-SV-KSH" in comparison with the old self-propelled gun decreased, and the ammunition remained at about the same level.

Simultaneously with the reinforcement of the chassis frame in the “Coalition-SV-KSh” project, some additional solutions were applied that ensure the efficiency of the combat vehicle. As can be seen from the available materials, the chassis is additionally equipped with four lowered outriggers. Thus, a self-propelled howitzer should fire not from the wheels, but from strong supports. According to the authors of the project, it should take about a minute and a half to bring the ACS into a combat position after arriving at the position. During this time, the outriggers are lowered, the operation of the tower systems, etc. is checked. The wheeled chassis allows, after firing, to quickly transfer the self-propelled gun to the traveling position and leave the position.

The new 2А86 howitzer of the 152 caliber of a millimeter, thanks to the barrel with a length of more than 50 of the calibers, according to the available data, is capable of firing at targets that are at a distance of up to 70 kilometers. Probably the maximum firing range is achieved with the help of active-rocket projectiles. ACS “Coalition-SV-KSh” can use all types of existing and prospective 152-mm projectiles, both guided and unguided.

It is assumed that within the next few years the new ACS “Coalition-SV-KSh” will be put into service with the rocket forces and artillery, where it will complement the existing Msta-S self-propelled guns. In the future, it is possible to complete the project “Coalition-SV” on a tracked chassis and start the mass production of such combat vehicles. It is expected that the use of the KAMAZ-6560 “Tornado” wheeled chassis will allow the new self-propelled howitzer to have high mobility, allowing you to quickly move to the position and leave it. Approximate deadline for the adoption of new self-propelled guns - 2015 year.

At present, the Petrel Research Institute, together with other enterprises engaged in the project, is conducting tests of the existing prototype of the promising self-propelled artillery installation, Coalition-SV-KSh. The first demonstration of the combat vehicle to the public will be held at the upcoming RAE-2013 exhibition. Then more complete official information and a number of promotional materials will appear. The opening of the exhibition Russian Arms Expo-2013 will take place on September 25.


On the materials of the sites:
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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 20 September 2013 08: 38 New
    +8
    quote-Unlike self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV" on a caterpillar chassis, in the tower of a self-propelled howitzer on a wheeled drive there is one gun, not two.

    1. svp67
      svp67 20 September 2013 09: 11 New
      +7
      "Msta" is not small, but it is generally a "monster" - God forbid, it will be "balanced" normally, otherwise moving around on it will be very, very problematic ... to the extent that the crew will have to be carried separately, whatever it is .. . and trunks ... how she will maneuver in the same forest, a question.
      1. Kars
        Kars 20 September 2013 10: 38 New
        11
        What can I say - a similar weapon was supposed to appear in the troops 10-15 years ago. Now it does not even look very much, but how much more time will pass before it is seen in the troops.
        1. svp67
          svp67 20 September 2013 12: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Kars
          , and how much more time will pass until he is seen in the troops.
          Here it depends on many factors ... maybe in a couple of years, or maybe never ...
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 20 September 2013 22: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Kars
          What can I say - a similar weapon was supposed to appear in the troops 10-15 years ago. Now it does not even look very much, but how much more time will pass before it is seen in the troops.

          I was reminded of the Swedish Archie
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 20 September 2013 09: 21 New
      +7
      Quote: Apollon
      not two.

      And over it, they began to mock straight away. A bunch of photojabs appeared. As an example:
      1. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 20 September 2013 09: 58 New
        +6
        That's for sure, here I add)))))))))
    3. PLO
      PLO 20 September 2013 13: 56 New
      +4
      quote-Unlike self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV" on a caterpillar chassis, in the tower of a self-propelled howitzer on a wheeled drive there is one gun, not two.

      on the caterpillar chassis there will be exactly one gun.
      double-barreled system abandoned
  2. Denis
    Denis 20 September 2013 08: 47 New
    +2
    The wheeled chassis allows you to quickly transfer the self-propelled guns to the stowed position and leave the position after firing
    Does caterpillar prevent this from happening?
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 September 2013 09: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis
      Does caterpillar prevent this from happening?
      Judging by the "dimensions" apparently - YES ...
      1. Denis
        Denis 20 September 2013 11: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Judging by the "dimensions" apparently - YES ...
        Dimensions, long, set by the size of the chassis. To this additional technical difficulties
        The chassis frame was modified. When firing at this unit is subject to huge loads, which required to strengthen it. In addition, several other parts of the chassis have been modified.
        This also does not make the construction easier:
        the chassis is additionally equipped with four lowered outriggers
        Yes, and the engine is covered only by the cab
        In addition, the three of us can go to KAMAZ, but working a bit tightly
        1. the47th
          the47th 24 September 2013 11: 58 New
          0
          The chassis frame was modified. When firing at this unit is subject to huge loads, which required to strengthen it. In addition, several other parts of the chassis have been modified.

          Quote: Denis
          This also does not make the construction easier:

          It seems to me that the frame is made of thicker profiles, in the suspension - more sheets, more powerful shock absorbers. This does not make the construction super complicated. Everything is the same, only stronger.
  3. Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 20 September 2013 08: 51 New
    +7
    In my opinion, the tracked version is much preferable for several reasons. Kamaz will be very difficult to bury in the ground or create some kind of shelter for it. Unas there are a lot of not bad but outdated tanks the platform can be said the finished business only in the tower is "not expensive but cheerful", right away increased crew protection and so on. In addition, two barrels against one speaks for itself and I think not to be discussed
    1. Akim
      Akim 20 September 2013 09: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: Gennady1973
      Kamaz will be very difficult to bury in the ground or create some kind of shelter for him

      The self-propelled guns on the knee course have a different specificity. But indeed, in such an arrangement with the KAMAZ chassis tower, it is not enough.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 20 September 2013 15: 51 New
        0
        The self-propelled guns on the knee course have a different specificity. But indeed, in such an arrangement with the KAMAZ chassis tower, it is not enough.


        As I understand, this is not the point on Courage, the people wrote that they put on Kamaz because of begging. At what, apparently, there isn’t enough on the goose dogs. Here is a link to the forum http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=626&p=29
        1. Yemelya
          Yemelya 20 September 2013 16: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          As I understand, this is not the point on Courage, the people wrote that they put on Kamaz because of begging.


          Wheel self-propelled guns are a normal component in the aircraft of many countries. Most likely, the economic component prevails, but this cannot be called a disadvantage.
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 20 September 2013 17: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        The self-propelled guns on the knee course have a different specificity. But indeed, in such an arrangement with the KAMAZ chassis tower, it is not enough.

        Better then to put on the BASES.
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        2. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 20 September 2013 17: 38 New
          0
          Better then to put on the BASES.


          Bases are several times more expensive. Plus, it played that the KAMAZ is armored in class 5a and has a very large service network. In short, you can take it off quickly and cheaply. Well, Kamaz is a semi-state campaign because there is more attention to it.
        3. Akim
          Akim 20 September 2013 18: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          Better then to put on the BASES.

          I agree. In general, the concept of installing a howitzer is better to reconsider. It is more correct to abandon the tower, and move the breech to the stern. Only three countries in the world use a turret installation of 152/1155-mm guns, and they can’t put 10 ACS into service for one year.
          1. ebrd
            ebrd 20 September 2013 18: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Akim In general, the concept of installing a howitzer is better to reconsider. It is more correct to abandon the tower, and move the breech to the stern. Only three countries in the world use a turret installation of 152/1155-mm guns, moreover, they cannot put 10 SPGs into service for one year. [/ Quote

            The idea of ​​a reckless layout with the placement of the artillery system of the self-propelled guns in the stern is far from new --- we have 2C5 Hyacinth-S, 2C7 Peony, the Americans M110 (removed from service) I wonder what are the advantages, in your opinion, of such a layout and the disadvantages of tower turrets?
            [/ comment-show]
          2. Alexey Prikazchikov
            Alexey Prikazchikov 20 September 2013 20: 43 New
            +1
            I agree. In general, the concept of installing a howitzer is better to reconsider. It is more correct to abandon the tower, and move the breech to the stern. Only three countries in the world use a turret installation of 152/1155-mm guns, and they can’t put 10 ACS into service for one year.


            Then just get lost the whole point in moving the coalition to the wheels. The main reason for which was the price.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 September 2013 06: 57 New
              0
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              Then just get lost the whole point in moving the coalition to the wheels. ABOUT

              the meaning of the "Coalition" is lost if, as in the figure, one trunk is removed. And the chassis is not the most expensive (even minimal) pleasure for this self-propelled gun. In general, these powerful and long-range installations are not of a brigade level, but of a hull, and they will require a small number. It’s probably better to create a couple of hundred for the Russian army on a tracked chassis.
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                Alexey Prikazchikov 21 September 2013 07: 56 New
                0
                the meaning of the "Coalition" is lost if, as in the figure, one trunk is removed. And the chassis is not the most expensive (even minimal) pleasure for this self-propelled gun. In general, these powerful and long-range installations are not of a brigade level, but of a hull, and they will require a small number. It’s probably better to create a couple of hundred for the Russian army on a tracked chassis.


                Damn, I specifically gave you a link to the forum there is not much to read. A person with info on the Coalition said that the modern chassis can take up almost two thirds of the cost. Therefore, KAMAZ chose it cheap and easily repaired plus armored (service centers throughout the country). Due to the price of the coalition, Typhoon will most likely not be. And to buy a sufficient amount on tracked chassis, the money is dumb. And there will be no two barrels, as apparently they decided to focus on electronics and ammunition. Plus the maximum integration of sau into a single battlefield and the best combination with other types of weapons.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 September 2013 08: 33 New
                  0
                  Then it’s better to put “Mstu” on a wheeled chassis (return the project) in order to reduce the cost. Electronics, integration into the automatic control system is the right decision, but abandoning the concept of two barrels and with a long range is the wrong decision. bublic82009 correctly said that in this case it would be better to focus on improving ammunition for large-caliber MLRS.
                  You must understand what organizational staff it will be and whether it makes sense.
    2. Nick_1972
      Nick_1972 20 September 2013 10: 52 New
      +8
      I wanted to ask Gennady 1973, and what is the advantage of the two trunks? When firing in one gulp from two closely spaced barrels, accuracy drops. Shoot alternately - before each next shot you will have to check the accuracy of aiming due to a change in the position of the trunks themselves caused by the recoil of the shot, and this is the time. IMHO the concept of self-propelled guns with two barrels greatly complicates the design, while slightly increasing the capabilities.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 20 September 2013 11: 45 New
        +2
        Flint fire
        1. Yemelya
          Yemelya 20 September 2013 16: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Nick_1972
          IMHO the concept of self-propelled guns with two barrels greatly complicates the design, while slightly increasing the capabilities.


          Quote: ivshubarin
          Flint fire


          IMHO, the economic aspect is not in last place: one chassis instead of two, one crew, costs are reduced, battery maneuverability is increased.
      2. Gennady1973
        Gennady1973 20 September 2013 21: 10 New
        0
        Nick_1972 I just expressed my point of viciousness I'm not an artelist (served in the Marine Corps) I don’t know a lot of things, but I think about the declared range of 70 km, what accuracy can there be !? even with a spotter. with respect.
        1. the47th
          the47th 24 September 2013 11: 53 New
          0
          I think the same as for 20 and 50 km, the only difference is that the shells are reactive (the formulas for calculating the trajectory are different). In any case, “to demolish the third house on the right with the first shot” will not work, the barrel artillery is now used mainly to suppress the enemy.
    3. nekromonger
      nekromonger 20 September 2013 14: 15 New
      +2
      do you expect to bury such self-propelled guns ??? her task is to advance, fulfill the goal and leave, if that.
    4. Yemelya
      Yemelya 20 September 2013 16: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Gennady1973
      In my opinion, the caterpillar variant is much preferable for several reasons. It will be very difficult for the Kamaz to bury it in the ground or to create some kind of shelter for it.


      IMHO, not much more complicated than a tractor for a towed system. Wheel self-propelled guns, as I understand it, are made specifically for their replacement.
      1. Denis
        Denis 20 September 2013 17: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Emelya
        IMHO, not much more complicated than a tractor for a towed system.
        This is quite capable of self-digging
        1. Yemelya
          Yemelya 20 September 2013 18: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Denis
          IMHO, not much more complicated than a tractor for a towed system. Such a person is quite capable of self-digging


          MTLB, it seems, was created for the MT-12 anti-tank.

          For towed howitzers, a caterpillar seems to be useless. A wheeled armored all-terrain vehicle would probably be very helpful. Paired to a towed remotely operated howitzer with AZ. This option, I think, would be even better than on a self-propelled wheeled chassis.
    5. Yemelya
      Yemelya 20 September 2013 16: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Gennady1973
      Unas there are a lot of not bad but obsolete platform tanks, you can say the finished business only in the tower is “not expensive but cheerful,” the crew’s protection will immediately increase and so on.


      For "Coalition-SV", it seems, you need special. chassis. You can certainly use old tanks, but you will have to carry excessive armor, saving on the mass of the tower.

      Yes, and protection will be better only with the driver.
  4. eplewke
    eplewke 20 September 2013 09: 46 New
    -10
    It’s a pity that he won’t enter the army ... most likely ... But they left the caliber of 150 mm? Or increased? who has the data?
    1. ebrd
      ebrd 20 September 2013 12: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: eplewke
      A caliber of 150 mm left? Or increased? who has the data?

      150mm .-- this is the caliber of the artillery systems of the Wehrmacht from the time of the Second World War, we always had 152mm for NATO countries - 155mm, respectively - here 152mm.
    2. eplewke
      eplewke 20 September 2013 14: 58 New
      +1
      What are you all minus? That's when he enters the army, then please. In the meantime, the army buys only MSTA-S and does not plan new purchases.
  5. z-exit
    z-exit 20 September 2013 10: 27 New
    +3
    One kind of this foolish machine inspires fear and respect, and I, as a patriot of the country, also have pride! Even future enemies who find themselves in the affected area are insanely sorry! Just goosebumps go with admiration when I look at the photo!
  6. C-600
    C-600 20 September 2013 11: 31 New
    +2
    It's a pity the crew, they will quickly become deaf from such a woman
    1. ebrd
      ebrd 20 September 2013 12: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: C-600
      It's a pity the crew, they will quickly become deaf from such a woman

      The crew in headsets, but in general in the combat compartment of self-propelled guns, the sound of a shot is quite moderate and without a headset.
      1. Somad
        Somad 20 September 2013 14: 10 New
        +3
        When I was in the army, I was often at the firing position of the Msta-s battery (no further than 50m from the guns) without a helmet, and nothing was deaf. True, with a volley, his mouth opened ...
  7. xota
    xota 20 September 2013 11: 45 New
    +3
    I’m wondering / I don’t understand why the car tower ??? probably the weight could have been used more efficiently.
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 20 September 2013 16: 23 New
      0
      Quote: xota
      I’m wondering / I don’t understand why the car tower ??? probably the weight could have been used more efficiently.


      Well, there, like, an automatic loader ...
  8. sven27
    sven27 20 September 2013 12: 12 New
    +1
    But why did they decide to abandon the second gun?
  9. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 20 September 2013 12: 21 New
    +3
    The KAMAZ chassis is weak, on the dump trucks behind the cab the frame often breaks
    1. Denis
      Denis 20 September 2013 14: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: ivshubarin
      The KAMAZ chassis is weak, on the dump trucks behind the cab the frame often breaks
      They promise
      The chassis frame was modified. When firing at this unit is subject to huge loads, which required to strengthen it. In addition, several other parts of the chassis have been modified.
      and the emphasis when shooting frame will unload
  10. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 September 2013 12: 32 New
    +2
    Is such a unit really necessary for the troops real b \ d.
    Really 1000 available hyacinths does not cover the needs of the army.
    Maybe then they just upgrade to the required level.
    It is unlikely to be more expensive than new ones.
    1. ebrd
      ebrd 20 September 2013 13: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Is such a unit really necessary for the troops real b \ d.
      Really 1000 available hyacinths does not cover the needs of the army.

      ,, Hyacinth ,, (2C5) - this is a cannon, but here we are talking about a howitzer! These are different art systems, you first understand what technical differences and features of military use.
  11. Gur
    Gur 20 September 2013 13: 07 New
    +2
    The main thing is to invent and not sit still and Shoigu will choose what is needed
  12. sergey72
    sergey72 20 September 2013 14: 28 New
    12
    New well-forgotten old - Msta-K 2S27 1989 ...
    1. Denis
      Denis 20 September 2013 14: 59 New
      +4
      How convenient the trunk is!
      To thieves and grief reformers hang
    2. Yemelya
      Yemelya 20 September 2013 17: 12 New
      +3
      The traditions are old.
  13. Denis
    Denis 20 September 2013 14: 57 New
    0
    Found on the Internet:
    The main problems of artillery mountings on a car chassis are both operational and tactical:
    Significant time of bringing into a fighting position from traveling and back;
    relatively low cross;
    lack of crew protection;
    and technical:
    the chassis does not withstand overloads when firing;
    damage to the cockpit glazing by a shock wave during firing.
    Part of this installation unfortunately is not fixed
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 20 September 2013 16: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Denis
      Found on the Internet:
      The main problems of artillery mountings on a car chassis are both operational and tactical:
      Significant time of bringing into a fighting position from traveling and back;
      relatively low cross;
      lack of crew protection;
      and technical:
      the chassis does not withstand overloads when firing;
      damage to the cockpit glazing by a shock wave during firing. Part of this installation, unfortunately, is not fixed


      There are no more disadvantages than the towed system & tractor.
      1. Denis
        Denis 20 September 2013 17: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Emelya
        There are no more disadvantages than the towed system & tractor
        Not quite so. These are all the eggs in one basket. When a tractor fails to bombard or bombard a gun, it’s clipped to another car, not talking about a more secure MTLB. But here the engine is covered only by an armored cabin, the thickness of the armor is not mentioned, but it’s certain less than MTLB or especially ACS
        And transportation with such dimensions by air or train is more difficult
        1. Yemelya
          Yemelya 20 September 2013 17: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Denis
          Not quite so. These are all the eggs in one basket. When a tractor fails to bombard or bombard a gun, it’s clipped to another car, not talking about a more secure MTLB. But here the engine is covered only by an armored cabin, the thickness of the armor is not mentioned, but it’s certain less than MTLB or especially ACS
          And transportation with such dimensions by air or train is more difficult


          Yes, I do not argue, towed artillery has enough advantages not to write it off ahead of time.

          True, in the case of the Coalition, creating a towed version will be difficult because of the AZ, in which the whole chip of this system.

          Quote: Denis
          not talking about a more secure MTLB


          Here mobility is already falling.

          Plus wheeled chassis yavl. reduction time to combat readiness, shorter than that of a towed one and folding time, allowing to wash off before the enemy answers. An analogy, I think, can be drawn with MLRS.
  14. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 20 September 2013 16: 01 New
    +1
    Chassis to put it mildly a little bad. Is it really impossible to develop transport for a specific product and not hang on what is at hand.
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 20 September 2013 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: nazgul-ishe
      Chassis to put it mildly a little bad. Is it really impossible to develop transport for a specific product and not hang on what is at hand.


      Do not forget about the economic aspect. If the chassis is unified with those already in the army, then there is a buzz, and if it’s also with the civilians, it’s generally for ... smiling!
  15. Kir
    Kir 20 September 2013 16: 36 New
    +1
    Honestly, it looks somehow wretched, But in general I agree with nazgul-ishe it was necessary not to customize the finished one but to create a new one with a reserve, and what is the passability of this monster.
  16. Tamagon
    Tamagon 20 September 2013 16: 46 New
    +4
    For all the shortcomings of the wheeled chassis listed above, it would not be fair not to mention their very significant advantages.
    So, to quickly transfer to the theater of operations for equipment on a caterpillar track, it is necessary to deliver to the railway. station for loading onto platforms. However, in most cases, trawls are needed to deliver to the station. Loading itself on a train is at least a day. Traveling by train. For example, when our regiment was transferred to Dagestan, the personnel were transferred by air, and all the caterpillar equipment came by train. only after 2 weeks (From Stavropol around the entire Caucasus, through Volgograd, Makhachkala, etc.).
    Naturally, wheeled vehicles can move on public roads on their own.
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 20 September 2013 16: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Tamagon
      and all tracked vehicles arrived by train only after 2 weeks (from Stavropol around the entire Caucasus, through Volgograd, Makhachkala, etc.).


      Jews carry their "Merkava" on tractors. In your case, the required vehicles were simply not available. It would, of course, be more expensive than railway, but faster.

      Quote: Tamagon
      Naturally, wheeled vehicles can move on public roads on their own.


      An important plus.
    2. ebrd
      ebrd 20 September 2013 19: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Tamagon
      For all the shortcomings of the wheeled chassis listed above, it would not be fair not to mention their very significant advantages.

      Naturally, wheeled vehicles can move on public roads on their own.

      That's right. Plus, there is a huge difference in the cost of maintenance and the overhaul mileage of a wheeled and tracked chassis.
  17. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 20 September 2013 16: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Kir
    , and what is the cross of this monster.

    Concrete pavement is acceptable and relative to our “directions”.
    1. Tamagon
      Tamagon 20 September 2013 17: 06 New
      +1
      C'mon, Kamaz is certainly not the Urals, but its patency is still on the level.
  18. andruha70
    andruha70 20 September 2013 17: 42 New
    +1
    or maybe everything is much simpler - a wheeled version for export to sunny Asia ... there is no dirt there. request
  19. Druid
    Druid 20 September 2013 18: 13 New
    +1
    If they show and start developing what is in the picture at the beginning of the topic, then the tool is worthless - an anachronism.
    The crew should be in a protected cabin, and the turntable, in the opinion of a non-professional like me, should be 35-45 degrees on both sides of the car’s axis, should be fully automated.
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 20 September 2013 18: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Druid
      The crew should be in a protected cabin, and the turntable, in the opinion of a non-professional like me, should be 35-45 degrees on both sides of the car’s axis, should be fully automated.


      About the tower and the cabin, the article says:

      In front of the chassis is an armored crew cabin. It is noteworthy that a number of technical solutions used in the Coalition-SV-KSH project made it possible to transfer the jobs of all crew members to the front cockpit. According to the authors of the project, the cabin is equipped with all the necessary equipment to monitor the operation of various systems of the combat vehicle and control the operation of the gun turret.


      And what is the tower on 360 gr. do not like?
  20. bddrus
    bddrus 20 September 2013 18: 24 New
    +3
    KAMAZ seems flimsy for this!, although the Serbs are already using 150 mm self-propelled guns
  21. IS-80
    IS-80 20 September 2013 19: 26 New
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    Quote: Denis
    Not quite so. These are all the eggs in one basket. When a tractor fails to bombard or bombard a gun, it’s clipped to another car, not talking about a more secure MTLB. But here the engine is covered only by an armored cabin, the thickness of the armor is not mentioned, but it’s certain less than MTLB or especially ACS
    And transportation with such dimensions by air or train is more difficult


    But in this connection it is interesting how things are with the Typhoon project. In theory, such a howitzer module should be put on these machines.
  22. bublic82009
    bublic82009 20 September 2013 23: 51 New
    +1
    in general, it would be possible to move away from such guns and rely on the RZSO. at a distance of 70 km it is more profitable to shoot with URami. as for example the American MLRS. put containers with ammunition of the caliber that you need to apply at the moment.
    1. Denis
      Denis 21 September 2013 01: 22 New
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      Quote: bublic82009
      in general, one could move away from such guns and rely on the RZSO
      Again on the same rake?
      It was like that with Khrushchev;
  23. Druid
    Druid 21 September 2013 00: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Emelya
    And what is the tower on 360 gr. do not like?
    Expensive, and the KAMAZ chassis can’t stand it.
    Quote: Emelya
    About the tower and the cabin, the article says:
    I also read the written, but if you paid attention
    Quote: Druid
    what on the picture at the beginning of the topic, then this instrument is worthless - an anachronism.

    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 21 September 2013 00: 29 New
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      Quote: Druid
      Expensive, and the KAMAZ chassis can’t stand it.


      The AZ should be unified with the tracked self-propelled guns, and the turret rotates, therefore the gun relative to the AZ cannot move in the horizontal plane, and if the AZ is rotated with a cannon, why not 360?

      The chassis can withstand installation when shooting on the ground relies.

      The picture is purely conditional, the unarmored cockpit is shown, although, in fairness, I note that KAMAZ produced trucks with hidden cab booking.

      In the picture, for some reason, an ejector with an uninhabited tower is on the barrel for some reason.
  24. wei
    wei 21 September 2013 01: 03 New
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    and I remembered the shore

    look from 13; 30
  25. Druid
    Druid 21 September 2013 09: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Emelya
    The AZ should be unified with the tracked self-propelled guns, and the turret rotates, therefore the gun relative to the AZ cannot move in the horizontal plane, and if the AZ is rotated with a cannon, why not 360?
    Unification is obligatory, who argues with this, there is a gun, that is, a gun part, there is an automated loading system for a tracked self-propelled guns, there are ammunition. That is, you can get a trio: a towed version (exists), a self-propelled installation on a tracked chassis (exists) and a self-propelled installation on a wheeled chassis. In principle, a wheeled self-propelled gun should take its place between the towed howitzer 2A65 MSTA-B and the tracked self-propelled gun 2S19 MSTA-S.
    At the same time, 360 degrees, I repeat this is expensive and the chassis can’t stand it, it’s not only about shooting, where everything is hung on the outriggers (jacks) in the process, the wheeled self-propelled gun must also move, and not at track speed, the conditions in the Russian Federation differ from the conditions in Africa or the Middle East, and even there are unlikely to fork out for such an opportunity / characterization.
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 21 September 2013 10: 39 New
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      Quote: Druid
      That is, you can get a trio: a towed version (exists), a self-propelled installation on a tracked chassis (exists) and a self-propelled installation on a wheeled chassis. In principle, a wheeled self-propelled gun should take its place between the towed howitzer 2A65 MSTA-B and the tracked self-propelled gun 2S19 MSTA-S.


      At the expense of the towed "Coalition" I do not know if it is possible at all. It may be possible, but about some work in this direction is not heard. Difficulties will be with AZ, where to attach it in the towed version, on a self-propelled gun it occupies a giant tower.

      The tower allows you to fire at various targets without changing position, and if you can do with the tower, it is better with the tower. I do not exclude that constructively it’s even easier.

      At the expense of the mass ... Not the fact that it will greatly decrease ... I don’t know, of course ...
  26. Maxim86
    Maxim86 21 September 2013 11: 25 New
    +1
    KAMAZ again! In my opinion, it is obvious that for such projects (self-propelled guns, air defense missile systems) a more powerful chassis is needed. With a larger track, which means stability. In my opinion, an ideal option would be the chassis of the BAZ-6909 Voshchina family
    But the KamAZ lobby is apparently stronger.
    1. anarky
      anarky 24 January 2014 14: 00 New
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      Do you have a lot of extra money?
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 September 2013 19: 40 New
    +1
    The question, again, is deployment-collapse speed and snap-aim speed. Otherwise, it turns out the installation of one shot. Yes, and the wheel chassis is flimsy for regular operation.
    1. anarky
      anarky 24 January 2014 13: 59 New
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      Well, how many emphasis are put forward, for so much it unfolds. Topographic equipment is satellite right now. No need for a specially trained jeep to drive from position to position. And when shooting, the load on the stops will be. It turns out the base is even wider than that of tracked self-propelled guns.
  28. ilya63
    ilya63 24 September 2013 17: 09 New
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    after the first volley, the wheels will fly off in different directions, make the fool pray to God and his forehead will hurt, it’s about transferring from gusli to wheels, some moronic managers sit and saw the loot-budget of mine, it would be better to engage in ekranoplanes (they would improve the serpent-gorynich better), ground-air amphibians, means of detection, delivery and communication, in general, there is no military concept, there is no single command, one is confusion and reeling, and for lack of one they spy on what's in the west (y) and simultaneously absorb the budget
    1. anarky
      anarky 24 January 2014 13: 57 New
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      She seems to shoot with emphasis, and not from the wheels. A wheeled chassis has a longer life and can, on its own, get to a position from a location. Yes, and it is cheaper.

      PS: And the number of wheeled self-propelled guns around the world is hinting.
  29. Woldemar
    Woldemar April 22 2014 14: 25 New
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    Quote: Maksim86
    In my opinion, an ideal option would be the chassis of the BAZ-6909 Voshchina family
    But the KamAZ lobby is apparently stronger.
    Voshchina has a carrying capacity of 18 tons, and KAMAZ has 24 tons. The difference is significant. Maybe you had another model in mind?
  30. Vitail
    Vitail 28 March 2015 21: 57 New
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    Cool car