Tank biathlon

Military sports show

The Russian army has opened the world a new type of military sport. In mid-August, the first tank biathlon competitions took place at the Alabino training ground near Moscow. The initiative of the Minister of Defense of Russia, Army General Sergei Shoigu, has attracted the attention of the whole world. Unprecedented Teachings "Tank biathlon "dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the largest in stories tank battle under Prokhorovka. This year, tankers from Armenia, Belarus and Kazakhstan are taking part in the international stage, and the armed forces of Germany, Italy and the United States took part in the next competition with the invitation of Sergei Shoigu.

The best tank platoons and crews of the tank forces of the Russian Armed Forces were given the task of marching 18 kilometers, overcoming various obstacles and hitting targets over a distance of more than two kilometers. The fire is conducted on the models of tanks and low-flying air targets. Just like in sports biathlon, for every perfect miss, crews travel a half-kilometer penalty circle. Maneuvering, shooting from the spot, firing with the turning of a gun at 90 degrees and other complex elements are evaluated by a special military jury. T-72 tanks look unexpectedly bright: they are painted in different colors - red, blue, yellow or green, the same color and target, on which the crew firing. This is a necessary measure so that viewers can navigate during the competition.

The new sports show "Tank Biathlon", which will be presented to the audience in early autumn, can rightly be called a world premiere. This is one of the most complex technological projects of modern television. A record number of filming equipment and specialists are employed on the filming, working conditions are close to combat. Some of the hundred cameras filming "Tank Biathlon" are controlled by robots - people are strictly prohibited from approaching the targets.

From September 14, the viewer will be able to appreciate the incredible entertainment and excitement of “Tank Biathlon”, which combined the power of a military parade and the excitement of big-time sports.

Moderator: Dmitry Guberniev

Comments

[FC SKIF]

Ours threw a glove to the Americans. It will be interesting to see who is who. I will cheer for ours more than for the football team.

[clidon]

Americans will not come. You don’t need to be a Wang for this.

[tlauicol]

will arrive. see how our best crews shoot from 900m into milk, laugh and arrive

[ben gun]

At least not less than for football players and hockey players and biathletes)
and it’s interesting to see how our tanks will compete with the bourgeois ones)

[rsv75]

If it’s like football, then it’s not necessary. The result is clear.

[Valery-SPB]

Everything was low. The quality of directing and video presentation is low, everything is chaotic. And they molded it into "milk" ...

[papas-57]

And this asshole Guberniev on a cannon shot not to admit.

[Aleks tv]

If tank biathlon:

1. It will push mass combat training of crews in a positive direction with a change in the rules of the UKS in units ...
2. Popularizes the Army and Tank Wax at the final shows ...

I will be his eternal fan until the very "gusli".


Wait and see.


Still interested in what models the adversaries will crawl to us next year and under what conditions they will compete with us.
And this is no longer STUDY or SHOW, but PRESTIGE.
Heh.

[horoh]

They came up with a good game, looked at the box, I liked it. Something like off-road pokatushek, only more interesting.

[Col.]

Quote: horoh

They came up with a good game, looked at the box, I liked it.

Nobody came up with anything. Our "reformers" have reinvented the wheel. A common exercise from the KBP SV (Combat Training Course of the Ground Forces) is issued as the know-how of a firefighter with a builder diploma, who has become the next Minister of Defense. It's funny and sad ... I only wonder from which budget item is this fun being funded? Maybe the military prosecutor's office will answer?

[horoh]

At least, this is not a show like another "dancing with the stars" and other "you won’t believe" about pop ricier and all sorts of shit, so advertised by our central channels.

[Black]

Quote: horoh

At least this is not a show like another "dancing with the stars"

Yes, a little difference then. A show is on the show ground. And what's the difference, is it on skates or on tracks ?!

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Colonel

Nobody invented anything.

Absolutely, Andrey.

Quote: Colonel

Common exercise from KB KB SV (Combat training course of the Ground Forces)

Something I do not remember this ...
We did this ourselves, and then there was the UBP SV experiment, which died out.
Remind me, pliz, UKS number, maybe I forgot ...

[Alexss]

How is this nothing new? And to make a show from the seemingly ordinary exercises of KBP SV (as you wrote). And about money, you need to invest in any show first, and then it can become very profitable

[rsv75]

I completely agree. We have nothing to show in the army, except for inflatable models and tank biathlon on old tanks.

[Alex Skywalker]

At first I was also puzzled by the question: why exactly 72? But the answer, in fact, is obvious, this is a contest between mechanics and gunners, and not a computer game.
I agree that the quality of the show is very poor (would you give it to channel 1 or something? ). The layouts of the targets are inconspicuous, to put it mildly: when the old trucks were first shown, the thought arose that they would be the targets ... Alas. And to put a green target shield against the background of the green paint is generally something.

[Siberian]

Nothing wrong. This is the first time such a TV show is shown. If in the future there will be a tank biathlon to show, the quality of the show and everything else will be finalized. And so

[Andrew 447]

Actually, at the rate of fire, the target should not stand out and match the terrain in color.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: AlexSkywalker

The layouts of the targets are inconspicuous, to put it mildly: when the old trucks were first shown, the thought arose that they would be the targets ... Alas. And to put a green target shield against the background of the "green" is generally something.

Colorize with rainbow colors and highlight from all sides?

Quote: Andrey 447

at the rate of fire, the target should not stand out and match the terrain in color.

To the point, Andrey.

The whole Tank Biathlon is built according to the UKS, and rightly so.

[the47th]

Quote: AlexSkywalker

why exactly 72?

It seems to me that in order to equalize the chances of Belarusians, Kazakhs and Uzbeks, they do not have a T-90.

[Alikovo]

more interesting than formula 1.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

This is just the beginning .. !!!

[Gur]

Great idea let them train

[11 black]

I looked - I liked it! Only now the gunner of "my" CVO pumped up, never hit and even wounded the mechanic despite the fact that the commander and the mechanic worked for 5+, but oh well, excitement, everything is clear, you can forgive the first time (Although in "real life" he will be even more worried ... makes you think) I wish the Central Military District to break everyone in the second round !!! (Forgive me, in fact I wish everyone good luck, but the CVO is still "closer")

[Bort radist]

The boys will at least see what a tank is and learn about military professions.

[datolith]

Do you have tankmen? My opinion. They shot weakly. I think the tankers will agree.

[My address]

Very weak red tank. Is this what turns out, a good 70's crew on T-62 is dangerous for a modern red tank? Cheat throws left and right, pick up on the 1000-1500 m and vlupit in board or stern?

[air wolf]

I have experience in army aviation. They taught how to shoot ATGM tanks and others. I’m familiar with tanks firsthand, the conclusion is that they shoot very weakly, because I find with a stabilizer they should hit such a target! A guided missile projectile should be a helicopter, i.e. shoot us down to 4 km.

[DPN]

It’s a good competition and a good example for young people, and because not everyone gets people out of excitement, not programmed robots in tanks. Good luck to them - the tankers of our army. These guys will not let you down!

[iur4ik39]

A great idea came out, I hope next year they will show everything that the t-90 is capable of

[DPN]

It seems that at the end the Russian army was lucky with the minister, people appear who think not only about their pocket but also about the COUNTRY!

[Iskander1369]

Tankers, express your opinion. Is this a useful idea?

[Sochi]

I liked it, though the picture is rather weak. But, I think, it’s a bargain ... And the guys tankers are trying, apparently worried and mistaken. So that's the competition.

[Andrew 447]

The opinion of the tanker. Low training of crews (and these are the best crews of the districts - the level of training, graduates of the GSVG training sessions of the 80s. More. 1. Not a single crew met the landing-disembarkation standard. 2. Obstacles of medium-below average complexity. There were no more difficult obstacles such as: an "envelope" or a snake on the rise / slope; track passage in a minefield; stop on the rise; anti-tank ditch. 3. The shooting was carried out from a standstill !!! with the stabilizer on on the D-900m !!!!! "I RYDAL" was shamelessly smeared, including TUS with 2000 m. SHOULD !!! short stop. 900 m, if I'm not mistaken, this is the range of a direct shot for HE or KUM projectiles. In the course of firing exercises, at least earlier, gun targets closer than 1400 m were not set, only under an inset barrel from 900 m. 4. on targets with illuminated lights, real nonsense and this during the day, when firing from a place. The tank commanders did not control the crews, and after all, some of them were platoon commanders, i.e. they don't even control the platoons. 5. Fur-waters also have poor preparation: almost all of them flew off the track bridge once and mowed them on the other obstacles, too, once.
Guberniev with his clumsy comments somehow distracted from gloomy thoughts about the combat readiness of the tank troops. Well, something like this ....... Then the other day, the cadre went to the draft board for reconciliation, I ask her when they will remove me from the military registration, she will be registered for another 8 years to 60 years old. old colleagues and yes to biathlon and kick ass green summers and old men.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Andrey 447

Oh, to collect old colleagues and yes to biathlon and kick your ass green summers and old men.

Andrey, I subscribe to all comments.

But these are "internal" critical showdowns between tankers:
- Driving is not to be appreciated, as there were no major test obstacles.
- shooting from a place is not even practiced on direct lines, only during initial training.
Assessment - it is not. Just do not set off.

According to the show - the guys are great, I hope the civilians liked it.
This was the MAIN goal of the whole event.

It was announced that the biathlon experience will go into changing the UKS of linear parts ... this is the most interesting for me, since we did something similar on our own initiative at those training grounds where the distance between the tankodrome and the direct track was minimal (sometimes with an extra barrel due to the limitations of the Training Centers), but did not call it biathlon.

[Andrew 447]

Aleks tvIt was announced that the biathlon experience will go into changing the UKS linear parts.I don’t need to change anything. I don’t know how now, before, after the arrival of youngsters from training, the first level of crew coherence was passed when conducting live firing of platoons. driving, march in a platoon column to the headmistress, reaching the line of transition to the attack "white pillars", performing firing as part of a platoon, reaching the line of transition to defense, shooting from a spot (repelling a counterattack), checking weapons. to the starting point. And in the process of this 6-3 hour action, all the schools of education and preparation were revealed.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Andrey 447

crew coordination

This is the trouble.

What you wrote is what you were striving for. Until the competition with prizes.

A current practice:
The gunner with the commander is on their own on the director.
The mechanic itself at the tankodrome.
Good only with initial training to practice SKILL.
The most difficult (from experience) to prepare a competent commander.

The biggest trouble is the coherence of the crew, the coherence within the unit, the coherence with the dowries.

The same combat firing of platoons must be fully revived and maximized.
I wrote a lot on these issues on the forum earlier ...

[Andrew 447]

I subscribe to your every word. In the Soviet Army, the formation of the coherence of the crews was multilevel. The coherence of the crews was formed during the platoon training and firing, especially at the TST, if only a good fire town. The platoon is controlled by tactics pesh-on tank, and then BSV. The next stage of the RTU with the BS, well, the crown of coordination of the BTU divisions. In my opinion, this scheme was justified and by the end of the 2nd period the young growth was well-trained. I don’t know how now?

[es.d]

Quote: Andrey 447

Oh, to collect old colleagues and yes to biathlon and kick your ass green summers and old men.

This is "gray mind"
Thank you for your comment! I'll put in my 5 kopecks. Not so long ago they dragged an old submarine with us, it was necessary. From all over the rather large factory they pulled out "old" tankers, conscripts could not cope.

[pavlo007]

The idea is absolutely gorgeous. So what if this is a standard combat exercise - the main thing is how to remove it and how to advertise it in order to strengthen the prestige of the country and army service.
But, alas, it was shot absolutely mediocre - we need more Hollywood, all sorts of super-fast cameras and other gadgets - this is not a purely army event, but the SHOW and we must comply!

Threat I do not see anything wrong with the show, if it is for the good of the country - at the beginning of the century, the show was also a show, and what's wrong with that?

[Andrew 447]

The question here is not in the PR of the action itself, but in the quality of the performance of this action by the crews and its results. For tankers (and there are at least 1 million people, the second in number after the infantry) who have served 2 or more years (at least for me personally) and having behind them several dozen (at least) firing with a regular projectile and exercises with live fire, it all looked very pale. And the presence of special effects from a "blockbuster" or "action" will not smooth out a bad impression. Although .... a female striptease on the barrel a tank gun with 2 wedge-bolts in my hands would distract me from sad thoughts.

[Memorandum]

Show must go on! I really want to see a comparison with the Germans, Franks and Americans ... but I'm afraid of the results. So smear ... no words :(

[datolith]

In 91 I shot the first time the result was better. The tank was the T-72.

[Andrew 447]

Aleks TV According to your comments, you feel that you are an experienced tanker, it’s always nice to discuss BTV problems with a professional colleague

[Garrin]

Quote: Andrey 447

Aleks TV According to your comment, you feel that you are an experienced tanker, it’s always nice to discuss BTV problems with a professional colleague drinks

Andrei and Aleksey, plus for both of you. I myself am not a tanker, but I know the level of training of the GSVG tankers (true 70s) not by hearsay. Repeatedly attended exercises and shooting in those days. It was nice to read your comments.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Garrin

I know not by hearsay.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Andrey 447

It’s always nice to discuss BTV problems with a colleague-

Andrew,
Duc us here is a whole cohort.
Both officers and privates.
Nostalgia, her mother ...
I am always glad to talk and take my soul away with my own black oil.

Alex.

[Andrew 447]

I’m always glad to chat with my comrades in arms. And nostalgia for armor does not let go, that's for sure

[Uncle Serozha]

I myself am not a tanker, therefore I trust the opinion of professionals expressed above. Yes, probably the results are not very. My acquaintance tanker who served an urgent in the GSVG on the T-80 (1982-84) also rated low.
But I like the idea. The spirit of competition was introduced and (most importantly) a military specialty is popularized. It was interesting for me as a non-tanker (I’m air defense) to watch, with one exception. To the presenter - a failure. Salt with emotion and gesticulation. Too pretended.

[navy1301]

It would be interesting to look at the level of training of tankers of countries fighting in the present. for example the same Syria

[tor11121]

why go so far. You can also those tankers who went through Chechnya. there, too, the masters of their craft were. These are definitely not for the mandrake. And they will not smear.

[Sirs]

We look forward to the next games.

[fight]

I personally participated in such events, but only on different equipment, but the tankers were always there. I liked it madly, the troops remembered (the happiest times, although now everything is ok on the citizens, but that's not it). It is interesting that the whole country showed a crew that never got. Perhaps the fact is that they brought the crews, put them on training tanks and the guys didn’t work together, didn’t feel the nuances of each machine, because a fighting machine works with its own subtleties, and every missed second is a lot when performing a combat mission. So I liked that everything is realistic and the work of the crews was shown without frills. I was repeatedly the first to perform combat firing and remember the sweet taste of victory. how then it was celebrated, and everyone after a long exertion rested. And Kamenka, my dear Kamenka, they really always drove us there. And I don’t know, someone painted and painted, but the shots and the number of hours of driving and exercises always exceeded those of my classmates in other parts of the okrugs !!!! Tank battalion 02511 respect and respect for you, keep it up !!!

[Andrey Peter]

An acquaintance, a tanist, was telling me. Once, tank soldiers of WWII veterans came to their unit. We watched how youth fulfill the standards and decided to compete with him. So they all completed almost twice as fast. That's what the experience of war means - you want to live, be able to spin

[bubble82009]

in general, of course, it was invented famously for the popularization of tank troops. but there are misses in the Biathlon organization. so some crews intentionally missed, as it was more profitable to drive 500 meters of the penalty circle than to target targets. then races, first platoon commanders, and then their subordinate crews. preparation com is not visible. platoons in platoon control. it was necessary to conduct competitions as part of a platoon. platoon tanks would move in a convoy, reaching their firing position, selecting and defining targets for different tank crews, the ability to search for targets to control platoon fire. one crew would fire from a gun, another from a tower machine gun, and a third from an anti-aircraft machine gun. rebuilding a platoon and moving in combat, and again rebuilding in marching. if necessary, help the crew of a stopped tank. a platoon from the Western District won predictably. the crew of this training ground plowed it from and to. for garlic it would be necessary to vibrate the landfill according to the lottery type.

[Andrew 447]

I’ll raise the topic again. The second stage was much more successful, it wasn’t even a shame. Obviously our comments are read by the Ministry of Defense. We felt the coordinated work of the crews, clear actions when loading the PSU and firing, leaving the firing line. They shot not bad. Driving almost without jambs. The impression is good, the skill grows from stage to stage.

[Hauptam]

If these are the best tank crews? Is it the worst then at all in the car back to sit or what? and then maybe they can distinguish between an armored personnel carrier and a BMP. SHAME ON THE WHOLE WORLD !!!!

[weaver0911]

The idea is interesting! At least such events clearly demonstrate the real level of training of troops. And she (preparation) obviously leaves much to be desired. Shooting ... Shooting training is generally the trouble of our army. And not only tankers. Well, our military is not friendly with weapons! And where should they be friends if all the ammunition, instead of being used in combat training, lies in warehouses, and explodes there! And a ridiculous amount of cartridges (and probably shells) are allocated for shooting. Therefore, after what we saw, there is only one conclusion - God forbid, a major war - our glorious army, due to its "high" professionalism, "as one will die" and we, the reservists, will have to finish everything.

[catapractic]

I look forward to friends from NATO - there will be a show

[Damask]

I will cheer for ours.

[Rinat 1]

It would also be interesting to see submarine competitions , the goal of the competition is who quickly destroy the United States. Then the Americans would have thought

[ozols]

The Strategic Rocket Forces would not hurt to compete. It is possible at the same training ground, only on poplars.