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At the Ashuluk training range, joint military exercises of the Combat Commonwealth-2013 air defense forces took place

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In the joint exercises of the combined air defense system of the CIS member states “Combat Commonwealth 2013”, more than 50 long-range aircraft were involved from the Russian Air Force aviationOf the Lipetsk Air Center, compounds of the Western and Southern military districts - MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters, Su-34 and Su-24M front-line bombers, Su-25 attack aircraft and Tu-22M3 long-range bombers, the press service of the Russian Ministry of Defense said .


In total, around 4 thousands of troops of the troops (forces) of the East Kazakhstani Air Force, Air Force (Air Defense, Air Force and Air Defense Forces, Air Defense Forces, Air Force) Armed Forces of five CIS member states: the Russian Federation, Belarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Republic of Tajikistan Kyrgyz Republic.

At the moment, the transfer of personnel and military equipment of the EKR Troops involved in the training has begun from the Ashuluk training ground to the place of permanent deployment. The first train with the C-300 “Favorit” anti-aircraft missile systems, special engineering equipment, and also material and technical means for deploying a field camp to accommodate personnel went to the Moscow region.

According to the Ministry of Defense, in the active phase of the exercise, as part of working out the reflection of a massive rocket-air strike, military firing was conducted from C-400 Triumph, C-300 Favorit, Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile systems. With high accuracy, they hit near 80 conventional air targets, more 20 missile targets such as “Pischal”, “Tribute” and other targets that simulate high-altitude, low-altitude and ballistic targets in the entire range of altitudes and speeds.

Consumption of C-300 anti-aircraft missiles “Favorit, C-400“ Triumph ”made about 30 pieces and 30-mm projectiles ZRPK“ Pantsir-S ”more than 1300 pieces.
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  1. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 19 September 2013 17: 42
    +1
    I would like to know the opinion of specialists. Is it possible for the existing forces of the East Kazakhstan Air Force, Air Force (Air Defense Forces, Air Forces and Air Defense Forces, Air Defense Forces, Air Forces) to repel massive air raids and missile attacks by NATO forces at the head of the United States.
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    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 19 September 2013 18: 20
      +6
      hi
      It all depends on -
      - the location of the UPE,
      - the amount of time spent on it,
      - the intensity of raids, their qualitative and quantitative characteristics,
      - type and number of goals,
      - aircraft basing places,
      - the intensity and diversity of electronic warfare,
      - pilot qualifications,
      - restrictions on the use of air defense forces and means, for example - the use of special charges in repulsing a massive raid
      etc. etc. .
      Therefore, to answer your question you need to know the specific framework and conditions for modeling the situation ...
      Sincerely.
    3. Phase
      Phase 19 September 2013 18: 23
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      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      I would like to know the opinion of experts whether it is possible that the existing forces of the East Kazakhstan and the Air Force (Air Defense, Air Force and Air Defense, Air Defense Forces, Air Forces can repel massive air raids and missile attacks by NATO-led missiles

      It is unlikely that anyone will give you an exhaustive answer. The data on the ICS of the probable enemy, as well as our ability to repulse the strike, vary widely and are often modified to suit the political situation. The immortal play in verse written by our air defense officer is proof of this. Excerpt:

      Commanding:
      You, comrade, do not tremble, Cheerfully, clearly report. What is known about the enemy?
      Head of Intelligence:
      Well ... specifically - nevermind ... If in general, in general terms, then we are greatly offended by the Zakordonnaya Brothers: Poland, Czech Republic, Lithuania
      Italians and Danes, Plus the French, British, Turks, Germans, Latvians, Hate from the heart.
      States, France, Canada Also blow, if necessary, Some with the letter "G", From friends in the CIS.
      Swedes, Finns, the same Hungarians, And add: Arabs, Negroes, Congo, Libya, Iran. And another 120 countries.
      Commanding:
      Wait, don’t bother, you are on the map, spread the Web of blue arrows, Otherwise - under execution!
      Head of Intelligence:
      You are the boss, in vain you are angry, You grieve with an ardent Word, In order to shine with the data, We must first get them.
      Now who goes to agents? All the intellectuals around. Of the coolest spy faces. The most extreme was Stirlitz.
      Cautious, not careless, Twice marked by the Fuhrer, Personally familiar with Mueller -It was clearly not a fool!
      But, and he, having gone through adversity, died in the Brezhnev years.

      A little earlier - Pastor Schlag Raised the white flag to God.
      Kat, a radio operator, at first, Aba was knocking on the air. Soon she dropped out, took a walk, washed down ...
      Commanding;
      I don’t have any data - I understand, But I’m not taking off the tasks - Build a forecast without an invoice: There is a method - “Finger - Nose”!
      Head of Intelligence:
      There is a better method. I’ve taken it to him for six months. From the General Staff I dragged it: “Finger - F ... - Ceiling”!
      We counted on it. There are numbers and details. Look at the map ...
      Commanding:
      What kind of pattern is that? It looks like a buttock ...
      Head of Intelligence:
      Egak think no good! That is the frontier, and the figure is MOJ.
      Commanding:
      Damn, it looks like an ass!
      In numbers there is a pattern ..
      What is their reliability?
      Head of Intelligence:
      Here are those that hang Fifty - fifty.
      Here intelligence sniffed out (although it is not uncommon to lie), Who flies off and what wants to bomb.
      Aircraft - to the figment: Maybe a hundred, or even a thousand. A fax arrived from Brussels. Each group has an AWACS.

      They’ll fly not like a swarm: Echelon, even.
      Commanding:
      What is their route?
      Head of Intelligence:
      Ogovsedov trample!
    4. Phase
      Phase 19 September 2013 18: 25
      +8
      Commanding:
      The picture becomes clearer: The enemy is a good cattle. Hey anti-aircraft troops, what do you have?
      Head of ZRV:
      We have a longing ...
      According to the assessment of the situation: We have three installations, The first complex of DShK-Zvezdonet - goodbye head!
      Without it, bros - the Serbs would have lasted a day, Belching a pillar of fire. But for accuracy - garbage.
      To know its beauty, Bay at low altitudes. Well, it’s better, so to speak, to bind the Birch.
      Commanding;
      This tool is not new to us. Fries loudly, but shitty. I remember, with a group of drunken faces, I shot a flock of birds.
      At the top of the oak crown Crows were hanging out, If only, damn it, one cartridge Raven caused damage.
      Head of ZRV:
      I continue: in the right place the air defense system stands, S-200. This demonic shell Himself knocks down everything.

      Once it turned on, Peace liner was dunked. Despite the fact that all the fights were from a big booze.
      For a long time the power hid from us. How the rocket started. And now they will not make it out. And they will announce, they will lie like that.
      Finally, we have “three hundred” Six-barrel beauty, Three hundred miles her limit ...
      Commanding:
      I think you sp ...
      Head of ZRV:
      Well, not three hundred, maybe two hundred, I’m lying out of white flattery. So, for a red word ..
      Commanding:
      Did you want to fool my father? Well, in short, build an idea How to break a ridge to a villain, How to make respect ...
      Head of ZRV:
      It would be better to run away ...
      There is an idea and another. In the sky, scaring the NATO members, We must turn on the complexes. And wet, wet, wet
      Like a bug in his apartment -Beat in the kitchen, beat in the toilet, So that everyone would soak it As Putin taught us!
      And for a greater effect, Let SOMEBODY climb on the roof, It’s better if it is political. And ... it fires firecrackers!
      Having entrenched near the huts, Kids are fried from slingshots, Who is older - samopal ...

      Commanding:
      Have you dropped your head for a long time?
      Your analysis is fleeting, therefore it is not perfect. The conclusion is complex and deep. Where is our main hawk?
      Head of Aviation:
      We are present. On the spot. But we have bad news. As the charter requires -I report about the composition.
      If you take on training -In our miracle-group Ponaroshke seven regiments.
      Commanding:
      Come on, no fools. Honestly, no simplifications.
      Head of Aviation:
      After extreme cuts, Two regiments - for the whole country. In their composition - by link.
      Commanding:
      I don’t understand
      Or maybe I'm a stump?
      Well, shelves - are they links?
      Well, what about the personal composition?
      Head of Aviation:
      I, after looking through the lists, So I figured out, in each part, There are (and then take for happiness) Three pilots, two arrows, (The numbers are taken from the ceiling).
      But the eagles are dashing. In the morning - already booming. Three flights on the nose. What does not fly out is diarrhea.
      You count: under the sky Planes drive themselves In our business - a sniper!

      Commanding:
      Well, then it's time for them to fight! Airplanes are not a toy. There are missiles and a cannon.
      Head of Aviation:
      Send to the frontiers! If there is no rain and thunder - Drive from the airfield. Well, if the snowfall is SBD in the areas of the PAD.
      Head of ZRV:
      Flying corridors, Watch out, my Stebonut and into the corridor - You will not find a tomato.
      Commanding:
      Why are you buzzing, missile:
      An interrogator?
      What about the defendant?
      What about eye locators?
      Head of RTV
      Press the brakes! There was a time, people remember: In the sky, goals are like on a dish. There on that screen RITZ Byi marked every Fritz.
      Rusta once blinked. -There was so much crunch in the frames! Even the formidable commander-in-chief tumbled back ... top.
      Our companies were irradiated Along the border, all latitudes, But removed some reptile Half of all brigades.
      Today the field is like a sieve. What is it for? - you ask: As a woman’s underpants - Not for salvation, for beauty.
      Like underwear. A hundred-year-old grandmother has hedgehogs: From knee to hip -There is a patch, there is a hole
    5. Joker
      Joker 19 September 2013 19: 15
      +5
      I would like to know the opinion of specialists. Is it possible for the existing forces of the East Kazakhstan Air Force, Air Force (Air Defense Forces, Air Forces and Air Defense Forces, Air Defense Forces, Air Forces) to repel massive air raids and missile attacks by NATO forces at the head of the United States.

      Here you and no specialist will answer that NO. At the moment, NO ONE country in the world can hide behind it completely from nuclear weapons (which is both a minus and a plus, since no one will climb on us because of this.)
    6. Airman
      Airman 19 September 2013 19: 43
      +3
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      I would like to know the opinion of specialists. Is it possible for the existing forces of the East Kazakhstan Air Force, Air Force (Air Defense Forces, Air Forces and Air Defense Forces, Air Defense Forces, Air Forces) to repel massive air raids and missile attacks by NATO forces at the head of the United States.

      It is impossible to completely repulse the enemy’s massive attack from an enemy’s air strike on a narrow area in a short time even with a layered air defense system, since the effectiveness of the system depends on the operating time of the systems, stock of missiles on launchers, target distribution conditions, and others.
      1. Orel
        Orel 19 September 2013 20: 13
        +5
        I would like to know the opinion of specialists. Is it possible for the existing forces of the East Kazakhstan Air Force, Air Force (Air Defense Forces, Air Forces and Air Defense Forces, Air Defense Forces, Air Forces) to repel massive air raids and missile attacks by NATO forces at the head of the United States.


        No one knows what will happen with such a blow. We do not know. The United States and NATO do not know. And thank God that no one knows. Because it is on this ignorance and uncertainty that the need to maintain peace and negotiate, rather than try to destroy each other, is based ...
    7. Modus
      Modus 19 September 2013 20: 17
      +5
      I will answer as a former air defense worker.
      With the deplorable state of the ruins of the former air defense forces - NOT POSSIBLE.
      Arguments:
      - The radar field is COMPLETELY destroyed, especially at low and extremely low altitudes. Where the TFR will fly in the event of a raid. Yes, and on medium and large, it is "focal" in nature, as in the early 50s. In the absence of target detection, it is also impossible to aim the air defense system and the AI ​​on them.
      - a serious lag in the forces and means of electronic warfare. The interference immunity of most radars is very low.
      - the group of ZRV is weak, in Siberia and in the D. East - in general, only a few outbreaks of ZRV remain.
      - the complete collapse of IA, the lack of experience in the interaction of IA and ZRV over the past 20 years.
      etc. etc.
    8. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 19 September 2013 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      I would like to know the opinion of specialists. Is it possible for the existing forces of the East Kazakhstan Air Force, Air Force (Air Defense Forces, Air Forces and Air Defense Forces, Air Defense Forces, Air Forces) to repel massive air raids and missile attacks by NATO forces at the head of the United States.

      It is unlikely to fully repulse the blow. But it is quite possible:
      1. To inflict maximum damage to the ACS of the probable enemy in order to minimize the consequences of his strike
      2. Defend their own missile defense systems by providing a retaliatory strike that makes an attack on us pointless.

      The air defense forces have always solved this task.
    9. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 19 September 2013 22: 17
      -1
      With the warhead - and at the monument to fucking Amazons "accidentally" - we look who are black. Bend over anybody. Not that level. Enough !!!!!.
      1. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 20 September 2013 14: 19
        0
        You see, I didn’t like it. Is there education? Go to the mountains in the forest. Sheep graze. There is a place for you.
    10. VAF
      VAF 20 September 2013 16: 07
      0
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      I would like to know the opinion of specialists. Is it possible for the existing forces of the East Kazakhstan Air Force, Air Force (Air Defense Forces, Air Forces and Air Defense Forces, Air Defense Forces, Air Forces) to repel massive air raids and missile attacks by NATO forces at the head of the United States.


      But just carefully read the article and think for yourself? wink It is clear that fellow we have without it .. nowhere lol , but how differently, but here are quotes from the article:

      1. With high accuracy, they hit about 80 conventional aerial targets, .. wassat
      Conditional goal .. conditional start .... yeah .. the highest level of skill.

      2. More than 20 target missiles such as "Pishchal", "Tribute" and other targets that simulate high-altitude, low-altitude and ballistic targets in the entire range of heights and speeds.
      This is how much .. more than 21.22,23. recourse

      3. But at the same time wink
      Consumption of C-300 anti-aircraft missiles “Favorit, C-400“ Triumph ”made about 30 pieces and 30-mm projectiles ZRPK“ Pantsir-S ”more than 1300 pieces.
      And again, "about 30" is how much ... 29,28,27 recourse

      Isn't it a bit too much ... "past the snout" request And is this in ideal training conditions? soldier
  2. Civil
    Civil 19 September 2013 17: 44
    +1
    Air target "Tribute" is a small-sized simulator of subsonic aircraft and missiles. It is made according to the normal aerodynamic configuration with a straight mid-wing and a turbojet engine (TRD). The total filling capacity of the fuel system is 77,5 liters.

    Target "Tribute" is designed for multiple use.Start is made from a ground launcher using a powder accelerator, landing - by parachute on a special inflatable structure.

    The onboard equipment includes: a flight control system, telemetry equipment, missile miss measurement equipment. The combined control system makes it possible to fly the target according to a given program or use telecontrol via a radio channel. A typical target flight profile in any sequence may include a climb, a nose-up dive, a horizontal "snake", a series of turns, and low-altitude flight.


    The PM-5V27A autonomous target missile Pischal was developed on the basis of the 5V27 (U, D) missile system as part of the S-125 "Pechora" air defense missile system. The target missile is a two-stage solid-propellant missile without a warhead and has an on-board programmed command device (PCBU).

    The geometry of the hull, flight ballistic and radar characteristics of the RM-5V27A target missile imitates modern air attack systems such as SREM, Tomahok, Harm, Martel, etc. It is possible to simulate a twin target by launching two target missiles with an interval of 5 s.

    To launch the RM-5V27A, a simplified launch system has been developed, consisting of the 5P73 S-125 air defense launcher, 5E65 diesel power station, and PS2.1241 operator console. The guidance station SAM S-125 is not used. The launch system provides pre-launch preparation and sequential launch of up to four PM-5V27A installed on the control panel.

    The choice of the type of trajectory is carried out before starting by setting the switches on the front panel of the PCBU through the hatch on the target missile body. In the application area, in the range of ranges of 12-30 km and altitudes of 0,2-9,0 km, the launch of the target missile is carried out along programmed paths; it is possible to launch a target along ballistic trajectories to a range of up to 90 km.

    The target missile is equipped with a self-liquidation system, which ensures its elimination in the permitted shooting sector


    [media = http: //www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/images/rm_rm-5v27a.jpg]
  3. Gur
    Gur 19 September 2013 18: 17
    +2
    Well, there are a lot of normal exercises and techniques, and aviation is better than sleeping
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  5. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 September 2013 20: 42
    +4
    The main criterion for assessing the readiness of air defense to repel an air attack. there are practical firing at maneuvering targets. And if targets are shot down, then the soldiers are ready to protect the country's sky. And do not criticize the high expense of the exercises of missiles C-300 and C-400. This is a very necessary and important work.
  6. Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor 20 September 2013 09: 36
    0
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    And do not criticize the high expense of the exercises of the S-300 and S-400 missiles. This is a very necessary and important work.

    and all the more so, it is necessary to update the jellies, or to dispose of them, that it is useless for the personnel and expensive for the treasury
  7. scientist
    scientist 20 September 2013 10: 14
    +1
    Many air defense scientists, evaluating the combat capabilities of modern air attack systems, electronic warfare systems, tactical and technical missiles, as well as other means of overcoming air defense, came to the conclusion that a radar crisis had occurred. The main reason is that the combat capabilities of air defense systems are an order of magnitude higher than the performance characteristics of anti-jamming systems. In principle, this is natural. Because the radar equation, this range is equal to the 4th degree root of the radar energy, and the anti-radar equation is the 2nd degree root of the interference power. And not some new SAM and radar physics will not change. The only way out is to fundamentally reconsider the views on active radar and move on to correlation-basic systems that allow you to use the energy of these jammers and generally any electromagnetic energy in space (stars, satellites, communication systems, etc.) There are such developments, however while the process has not gone beyond computer models, our military-industrial complex does not like to invest in new developments.