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Catalonia: independence will not be

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15 September it became known that Madrid refused to Barcelona to hold a referendum aimed at the so-called "self-determination" - in fact, the separation from Spain. Back in January 2013, the Catalan Parliament approved a declaration of sovereignty, which made it possible to issue a statement on the referendum. To make it clear what we are talking about, we must point out that Catalonia accounts for about a quarter of Spain’s GDP.


Catalonia: independence will not be


In late January, the Catalan parliament approved a symbolic declaration of sovereignty, notes "Lenta.ru" with reference to The Guardian. 85 voted in support of the declaration, 41 voted against, two abstained. Independence from Spain was supported by the ruling regional bloc "Convergence and Union" and the "Republican Left Party", while local socialists and the ruling People's Party in Spain opposed self-determination.

However, in May, the Spanish Constitutional Court granted the request of the central government for the suspension of the Catalan declaration. And in mid-September, the Spanish government completely refused to Catalonia in a referendum. According to "RG" with reference to the RIA "News”, The answer to the head of the region, Arthur Masu, was sent by the Prime Minister of Spain, Mariano Rajoy. The head of the cabinet noted:

“The ties that unite us cannot be broken without enormous financial losses.”


This, of course, does not mean that Catalonia will now stop trying to disconnect and create its own state. The tendency towards separatism in autonomy is very strong.

As the IA "REGNUM", the Catalan separatists of September 11 carried out a powerful propaganda campaign: the inhabitants of the province made a living ring with a length of 400 km - from Barcelona to the Pyrenees Mountains. The human chain stretched across the territory of 86 settlements. The demonstration was attended by 400 thousands of people.

The action was called “The Catalan Way to Independence” and was timed to coincide with the 299 anniversary of the capture of Barcelona by Spanish troops and the elimination of the formally independent status of Catalonia as part of the Spanish crown.

Interestingly, for the 2013 action, the Catalans took as an example the inhabitants of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, who in 1989 made up the living chain in 600 km. The fact is that the organizers of the living chain in Catalonia compare the central government of Spain with the central bodies of the USSR.

As noted further by the news agency “REGNUM”, she organized the action “National Catalan Assembly”, whose activists are in favor of the creation of “Great Catalonia”. The latter should include in the territorial composition of the Catalan region of Spain and parts of Valencia, Aragon, the Balearic Islands and even parts of the territory of France and Italy.

Such a steep turn of separatism is due to the economic crisis and the harsh anti-crisis policy of Madrid. In March, the 2012 of the year in Spain sounded a discussion about economy policies in the regions, enlivening the theme of rich and poor provinces. In 2009, Catalonia gave the federal government 19,49% of budget revenues, and in return received 14,30% of the amount of budget expenditures. 7,2 million people (16% of Spain’s population) live in Catalonia, providing 19% of the total national GDP. Local separatists are sure: Catalonia can live better without Spain.

Ekaterina Bogach (Rosbalt) recently returned from a trip to Catalonia. Now she is ready to repeat the phrase that she saw on Barcelona T-shirts: “Catalonia is not Spain” (“Catalonia is not Spain”).

“The first thing that catches your eye is that local flags are hung everywhere: four red stripes on a golden background are visible on the balconies of the houses, on the windows, on the walls, on the windshields of the cars, on dog collars. Even in the smallest village there is a tall flagpole with a banner of “sanieri” fluttering on it.

The only place where you can see the flag of the Kingdom of Spain in Catalonia is government buildings of national importance. ”


The Catalans understand Spanish, the author notes, but they do not speak it among themselves. Hearing Spanish today in Catalonia (residents of the country call it Castilian) can be as rare as seeing a sign written on it or a road sign. But ten years ago, Barcelona was “Hispanic”.

Among the Catalans there are indeed “ardent supporters” of independence. A lady of about sixty, with whom Catherine Bogach was able to talk, is sure: Catalonia will be free. “Next year will be three hundred years, as the Spaniards conquered us. Enough! We are supported everywhere, and we will certainly win! ”She exclaimed.

Other Catalans are cautious about the prospect of independence. The author cites an example of the views of a girl of years 25-ti named Ana and her 30-year-old friend. Ana believes that the problem may be not only the opposition of the Catalan separatism by the Spanish authorities, but also Europe’s special desire to recognize Catalonia as part of the European Union. Ana's friend said the following: “Oh, are you talking about separatism? Oh well. Personally, I support Bob Marley, who said that there should be no borders in the world at all and that love should unite everyone. ”

But the opinion of a woman at the age of forty with the Catalan name Montserrat. She said that during the crisis, Catalonia "was simply robbed." In the year Catalonia gives Spain on 16 billion euros more than it receives back. As a result, she has to save on education and medicine. “We are now paying both regional and state taxes, but also the content of the king,” said the woman. - And who is he to us, one wonders. Yes, he is generally Bourbon, French! Let the Spaniards deal with it themselves, without us. ”

Montserrat recalls that the Catalan national holiday is a day of defeat: “Foreigners are surprised that September 11 has so many flags. They think that this is a sign of condolence and US support in their mourning for 9 / 11. And I have to explain that we were raped on that very day, only much earlier. ”

From the artistic and emotional back to the pragmatic and real. That is, to what serves as a stumbling block on the path to the independence of Catalonia.

In the article for "ABC" September 17 (translation source - "Inopressa") Unai Mescua and Isabel Miranda list the points that Catalonia will lose if it becomes independent of the EU.

The EU Commissioner for Competition confirmed that the separation of Catalonia from Spain would mean the withdrawal of the current Catalan Autonomous Region from the European Union. Journalists list the consequences of the “separation” of autonomy with the European Union:

1) The Catalans will close their entry into the 28 countries market. Moreover, the EU may impose restrictions on the importation of Catalan goods.

2) There may be import duties for Catalan goods in the EU, which will reduce their competitiveness. Independent Catalonia will cease to be part of the WTO, Madrid-based economist Mikel Buesa says, and negotiations with this organization will last 5-10 for years.

3) Sharp decline in GDP. The so-called “border effect” will cause a decrease in turnover. According to Bueza, this effect on a couple of new duties will bring down the GDP of Catalonia by 25%.

4) The use of the euro as a currency will be a burden for Catalonia. An independent Catalonia with a “foreign” currency will not have the tools of monetary policy to deal with financial crises.

5) Citizens of independent Catalonia will lose their right to work in any EU country.

6) There will be no guarantee of bank deposits (according to the general norm in the EU, it applies to deposits up to 100 thousand euros).

7) The European Union will cease to allocate funds for development.

8) Loss of consular protection for citizens.

9) Exit the eurozone system providing assistance to debtor states.

10) Loss of the right to vote in municipal elections in other EU countries.

11) The loss of the special rights of travelers in the EU.

12) Eliminate the access of Catalans to educational and educational programs, for example, to the “Erasmus” program.

13) Termination of access to financial support for small and medium businesses.

14) The loss of equality of Catalans as buyers and bank depositors (today the EU guarantees the citizens of their countries the right to pay for goods and services the same price as the locals pay).

15) Closing access to higher authorities (for example, it will not be possible to complain to the European Parliament).

16) Loss of influence at the global level: from the already mentioned withdrawal from the WTO to the exit from the UN and other international organizations.

And no expert on the global economy, we add, is not able to count today to what extent the expected benefits of independence may outweigh the disadvantages. Yes, and can they? .. After all, the increase in the national wealth of Catalonia redistributed by Madrid is seen there by the residents, focusing on the current economic model, mistakenly believing it to be stationary. But the model is not static, but mobile, and can collapse overnight - once the provinces are separated from Spain and “automatically” withdrawn from the EU and the WTO. What brings success today may well be a failure tomorrow.

On the way to the independent economy of Catalonia, most likely, would have to go through a severe crisis. Of course, the crisis would have hit the other end on Spain, and even without that, it’s already hard. By the way, Spain would have imposed a veto while accepting a new member in the EU. And so these duties! In this regard, in those EU countries where separatism is not favored (and they are not favored everywhere), they would have tried with all their heart.

In short, it is unlikely that the Catalans expect a "victory" in the form of independence. And it seems strange in this light to try to imitate the Balts. In Latvia, which had long since abandoned Soviet tutelage, it is predicted that the country will cease to exist, if not by 2020, but by 2030, the year. Why? Yes, because by that time all its inhabitants will find employment in other European countries.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. 128mgb
    128mgb 23 September 2013 09: 04 New
    +7
    Catalonia is not Kosovo, it cannot be free.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 September 2013 09: 12 New
      13
      Strongly reminiscent of the situation in the USSR at sunset, with the calls "enough to feed the neighbors ..."
      1. Fin
        Fin 23 September 2013 11: 22 New
        +1
        And it reminds me of UA
        Local separatists are sure: Catalonia can live better without Spain.

        The "advantages" of independence and "prospects" of development have been written on the neighboring branch before.
        Give every village in Europe independence !!!
    2. igorelo
      igorelo 26 September 2013 21: 59 New
      0
      It’s a pity the Catalans woke up late so they would have risen to the second world view and what would have happened. And now what do they want? Why did they create a common economy? Why have they worked together with Spain for so many years? Now they can hope for autonomy status.
  2. GUSAR
    GUSAR 23 September 2013 09: 24 New
    +1
    There will be no independent Catalonia for one simple reason - not a fig is not profitable for her, as well as Scotland and others
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 23 September 2013 10: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: GUSAR
      There will be no independent Catalonia for one simple reason - not a fig is not profitable for her, as well as Scotland and others

      Well, in Scotland why do you draw such gloomy forecasts?
      Is the EU market losing too? It seems like not, the status quo is maintained.
      1. de bouillon
        de bouillon 23 September 2013 10: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: GUSAR
        There will be no independent Catalonia for one simple reason - not a fig is not profitable for her, as well as Scotland and others

        Well, in Scotland why do you draw such gloomy forecasts?
        Is the EU market losing too? It seems like not, the status quo is maintained.


        no not saved
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 23 September 2013 11: 47 New
          0
          Quote: de Bouillon
          no not saved

          Briefly and clearly ))
          Justify? Apparently not.
          Then explain how sideways Scotland is to the EU.
      2. igorelo
        igorelo 29 September 2013 00: 20 New
        0
        Imagine how England will put pressure on Scotland, but then they will not want any independence
    2. Su24
      Su24 23 September 2013 22: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: GUSAR
      There will be no independent Catalonia for one simple reason - not a fig is not profitable for her, as well as Scotland and others


      Scotland will be profitable, it will get rid of English oppression and restore the Stuart dynasty on its throne.
      1. igorelo
        igorelo 26 September 2013 22: 03 New
        0
        It remains right for the Scots to wish good luck
  3. demon ada
    demon ada 23 September 2013 09: 41 New
    +8
    urgently allocate a new comrade to help comrades from Spain.
    pay 3 month stay of a friend in Spain.
    if the task is not fulfilled (to begin practical and uncontrollable separatism in Europe), the new comrade should be liquidated. when completing a job, send to the usa to continue working. point
    send Moscow. Kremlin. The main thing.
  4. svskor80
    svskor80 23 September 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    Of course, there will be no independent Catalonia, because if these are released there, the Basques will move and there will be a dozen states in the Pyrenees. Nobody wants such a "porridge", the EU and the United States will show Catalonia its place among the European nations.
  5. avt
    avt 23 September 2013 10: 06 New
    +5
    Wow !? Well, how much can you feed Gishpanites with Catalan fat! laughing Isn't it time to think about a short, sobering "blow to Madrid with Tomahawks? So that the tyrant Juan Carlos would stop stifling democracy? , d, Artanyan is probably not a Georgian surname. laughing Where does the Nobel laureate Barack Huseynovich just look !? request
  6. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 23 September 2013 10: 32 New
    +3
    Gee gee gee! How nice to read all this! We will have a single world state and a single world government! Guys ... Yes, no world behind the scenes, no tanks and guns, no ideas, and even Armageddon can not be defeated by the desire of some people not to do nichrome, at the same time to command everyone and live fat!
    What did the idea of ​​the EU and the attack on the USSR lead to? To the mirage in the head that it is possible to organize a state with the help of public relations! Living chains, flags and chatter in dead languages. Now the state does not need either an army or a developed industry (and not separate, integrated lines with what overseas enterprise structures) ... nothing is needed! And you just need a desperate desire to appoint yourself as presidents, prime ministers and other members of administrations. To suck resources from a fool who hasn’t quit working yet.
    And the parasites went on the attack. Everything that they see has already begun to tear to pieces, because - why not? Why be afraid? Well, think about it - the economy will grunt, there will be no defense, communications will crumble ... if you manage to announce yourself as the Prime Minister, you will always get money. And there won’t be anything for you, the Albanian prime minister (or the president? I don’t understand them, really digging disgusting) was found guilty of mass harvesting of Serbs with their dissolution into organs. A fun alliance with Jewish doctors and aibolites. And what? And nicho! Just think of children catching and shredding to pieces. Prime Minister! Fuck off ...
    And so the number of workers in comparison with the number of parasites in the EU at a critical point, and even beyond it. Come on guys! Forward! Announce each town with a national state! The main thing is not to succumb to the temptation to conquer them. Let them disentangle themselves, dolboklui ...
  7. ka5280
    ka5280 23 September 2013 10: 38 New
    +3
    Three very small, but very proud Baltic republics, 91 left the USSR, shouting that the Baltic without Russia would become richer than Switzerland. After 20 years, in a small pibaltic, deaths from starvation became as offended as autumn rain. If this is not a lesson, then what should be a lesson?
    1. netMolotov
      netMolotov 23 September 2013 12: 26 New
      +1
      ka5280 - If this is not a lesson, then what should be a lesson?


      The lesson will be when - Three very small, but very proud Baltic republics - on their knees crawl asks to be returned to the Russian Federation.
      1. ka5280
        ka5280 23 September 2013 12: 43 New
        0
        This will be an afterword =)
  8. Essenger
    Essenger 23 September 2013 10: 39 New
    +5
    Freedom to the Catalans !!!
    1. netMolotov
      netMolotov 23 September 2013 12: 43 New
      +1
      Essenger - Freedom to the Catalans !!!

      Such freedom will become a precedent for all Russian Catalans. No need to throw beads in front of pigs.
  9. Parabelum
    Parabelum 23 September 2013 10: 53 New
    0
    Here he recently wrote that they don’t know what to do with the old small arms, from which the doors to the mobile stores do not close. It is necessary to recognize Catalonia as an independent state and to sell all the Kalash there ... Pluses are immeasurable, they helped the fraternal people, vacated the warehouses, launched their military industrial complex to its full capacity (the warehouses must be filled).
    1. ka5280
      ka5280 23 September 2013 11: 21 New
      +1
      Do you think that the civil war in Spain will make anyone happy?
  10. michajlo
    michajlo 23 September 2013 12: 43 New
    +1
    Many thanks to the author of the article Oleg! good

    The problem of dissatisfaction with the Catalans by their central authority in Madrid, is old, the tension has intensified over the period from the world-financial crisis / since 2008.
    Last year (2012) in Barcelona there was a rally where attended by just 1,4 million citizens (and the city itself = 1,5 million).

    But separatism itself, and especially its “bitter and spiky fruits”, we are citizens of the USSR scattered throughout the countries of the post-USSR and post-ATS, we know very well both on our skin and on our cones.

    In my opinion, if Madrid gives Barcelona little, it is necessary for the Catalans in Madrid (the Slovak term) to “clean the stomachs of power”, and not tear themselves away from their big Spain.
    Because the Catalans themselves, later the fruits of their independence will simply poison ... And I very much doubt that all these demonstrations take place "somehow by themselves" without planning and funding "from good uncles"?
  11. Heinrich ruppert
    Heinrich ruppert 23 September 2013 13: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail3
    Gee gee gee! How nice to read all this! We will have a single world state and a single world government! Guys ... Yes, no world behind the scenes, no tanks and guns, no ideas, and even Armageddon can not be defeated by the desire of some people not to do nichrome, at the same time to command everyone and live fat!
    \
    There all the cheese comes from Andora. Grandmas where they will launder. There with such percentages and scrolls of various substances, fabulous profits have. Just snickering a little tribute to the king do not want to unfasten. Therefore, various projects Tipo branch of Catalonia.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 23 September 2013 13: 53 New
      +1
      Well yes. And the roof they themselves formed, such as damp smile This is Spain - a respected member of the world community, and Catalonia hto tse take? "Young State"? So you need to help with all the breadth of your soul! And the American special forces will imperturbably fill it up there with heavy machine guns, because they are already cramped on the drug market, they have to sell tons and tons from Afgan, and then some Europeans ... or not Europeans? Catalonia is not a member of any organizations? Well, he waved a cluster grenade launcher - street. With a six-barreled electric machine gun from a helicopter, I scrabbled - a lane .... Yes, and our Drug Control loves Europe so much, loves it so much, but cannot touch it ... but here it is not clear who is in sight! Gasi hasn't started yet !! Laundering the dead by hundreds and thousands of cannons shines for them there, foolish ...
      1. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 23 September 2013 15: 48 New
        +1
        This site was founded by the Fed and the CIA, so you crash. By pumping money out of taxpayers. There are no drugs. There are gold, diamonds, platinum, emeralds, etc. There, the cost of the goods listed above is artificially increased. Debts are hung on various states and the money goes to other bills (in the pocket) of others. Which then issues loans to states to pay for it all and still "help" states to get into debt more.
  12. RUSS
    RUSS 23 September 2013 13: 56 New
    +1
    There are tendencies for the disintegration of Europe and the EU, the United States will put its hand in this, only very carefully. First, the Balkans were torn apart, now North Africa and the Middle East are being dismembered, well, and then they will reach the "friends" from Western Europe, as they say - "divide and rule"!
  13. AX
    AX 23 September 2013 15: 39 New
    +1
    “The ties that unite us cannot be broken without huge financial losses”
    That says it all...
  14. slacker
    slacker 23 September 2013 15: 57 New
    +1
    Hunting is more than captivity. I think that Merkel will not allow the Spaniards and Catalans to ruin the European Union. So these are Catalan ritual dances and nothing more.
  15. Avenger711
    Avenger711 23 September 2013 17: 33 New
    +1
    They think incorrectly, they should remember about "Ukraine is not Russia". A comrade yesterday from Kharkiv, where he is visiting, wrote: "The poverty is terrible, the payment of 16000 of our rubles is already considered robust, but there has been no hot water since 94". Also 20% of the USSR GDP was given ...
  16. Lissa
    Lissa 24 September 2013 00: 46 New
    +1
    All the Catalans whom I know emphasize that they are not Spaniards. One can observe how some people are really annoyed when it doesn’t reach anyone (the same story with Taiwanese). I hope it doesn’t reach the civil war.

    I did not understand why Catalonia cannot enter the EU. If anyone explains, I will be grateful. All the disadvantages for the Catalans in the article boil down mainly to this - EU, EU, EU.
    1. Heinrich ruppert
      Heinrich ruppert 24 September 2013 00: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Lissa
      All the Catalans whom I know emphasize that they are not Spaniards. One can observe how some people are really annoyed when it doesn’t reach anyone (the same story with Taiwanese). I hope it doesn’t reach the civil war.

      No Elizabeth, before the civil war will not reach. But the EU will be of different sizes. What exactly, and who on what rights will be a member is unknown. Many want a lot, but will they get it or not. That is the question. Everyone is trying to grab more for themselves. I mean politicians. But since finances are depleted in the EU and there will be no sense in politics on different sides of the barricades. Now they are trying to agree, but what comes of this is unknown.
      1. Lissa
        Lissa 24 September 2013 01: 09 New
        +1
        Thank you for your reply.

        Are you saying that if Catalonia is given independence, then other peoples (eg, Basques) will also demand it, as a result the EU will change its "appearance"? I understand correctly?

        But if we assume that Catalonia will become independent and the EU will not change much, what will prevent its entry into the EU?
        1. Heinrich ruppert
          Heinrich ruppert 24 September 2013 01: 22 New
          0
          Elizabeth is not only a Basque, it is in Spain. Also the Greeks, they are already raging. Since in the "difficult" times before the euro, they artificially devolve their drachma and everything in a bunch. And there are still enough candidates to do this.

          Even if we assume that Catalonia wants to be independent, for this it is necessary to conclude new treaties. And no one will make this mistake as without political supervision in any country for a common monetary unit. So nothing follows from this with the EU, but with Catalonia it is not known what conditions it will have.
          1. Lissa
            Lissa 24 September 2013 01: 29 New
            +1
            Hmm ... interesting: if everything is really so bad (maybe), can really Catalan politicians not be able to foresee this? For some reason, it seems to me that they see the situation differently and I am interested to know how they predict the prosperity of independent Catalonia. I’ll take note of this topic.
            1. Heinrich ruppert
              Heinrich ruppert 24 September 2013 01: 35 New
              0
              Elizabeth read the comments that I left above. And you will understand everything. If you don’t understand what is unwritten there. If you do not know anything about this, PLEASE do not try to understand this. This is a shadow policy.
              1. Lissa
                Lissa 24 September 2013 01: 37 New
                0
                The most interesting searches for me begin when they tell me "do not try to understand this" or "you do not understand this" laughing I am not saying that I am going to understand this in a day. Slowly but surely, we’ll figure out what's what;)
                1. Heinrich ruppert
                  Heinrich ruppert 24 September 2013 01: 42 New
                  0
                  No, if you are young, then think about how many interesting things you could learn, for example, about aliens. If you think about children in years.
  17. Lissa
    Lissa 24 September 2013 01: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
    No, if you are young, then think about how many interesting things you could learn, for example, about aliens. If you think about children in years.


    :) You are right, I can find out many more interesting things. ;)
  18. igorelo
    igorelo 26 September 2013 22: 01 New
    0
    Quote: GUSAR
    There will be no independent Catalonia for one simple reason - not a fig is not profitable for her, as well as Scotland and others

    Well, it's not just about finances, although they are also important.