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Do not need to produce poverty?

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Good liberals constantly teach us that we have to give birth to children less in order to get more of our tasty and good things to their children, who will come to the place of our unborn ...


For a long time, almost in all media outlets propaganda has been advocated that it is necessary to strive for a “high standard of living” and “not to produce poverty”. It is better to have one child, but to give it everything and to ensure a “high standard of living” than to “produce poverty” (as liberal figures like to put it). That is, under the sign of good intentions, the subtext is dragged: give birth to as few children as possible.

Of course, this conclusion is masked by the wishes of a "high standard of living", but it follows inexorably. I will try to show below why this justification is not a justification, but an ideological diversion aimed at the destruction of a people.

At first glance, everything is quite logical: the more children there are in a family, the less material benefits each person has. But let's think about it. To determine the average family income, you need to divide the total income by the number of family members. But it immediately follows from here that there are two ways to improve the material situation of the family:
• increase total revenue;
• do not increase the composition of the family (or even reduce, killing your own child in the womb).
So why do we only slip the second way? Because of the concern that we do not fall into poverty? But for this you can simply increase the family income. No, the first way is deliberately “forgotten”, the emphasis is on the second way - on reducing the birth rate. And this already leads to quite definite conclusions:
• First, if between the “standard of living” and the children we are offered to choose the “standard of living”, then money is more important than children.
• Secondly, if we are offered not to earn more, but to give birth less, then it is clear about whose “standard of living” they are urged to worry. About your own skin!
• Thirdly, if instead of the difficult way to increase earnings, the “easy” way of not giving birth to children is being promoted, this means that they are trying to disintegrate us from the inside. All these conclusions directly flow from the installation "no need to produce poverty."

Of course, in the present conditions it is much easier to say “earn more” than to do. The difficult financial situation of the family is in no way reprehensible, because our wages still often leave much to be desired. But the conscious unwillingness of parents (first of all, the head of the family) and lift a finger to increase earnings, already worthy of at least bewilderment, especially in the presence of young children.

But here, too, do not condemn anyone. Cases are different. Even if the family’s income is small, there is such a way as reducing the parents' expenses on themselves, in order to give the children what they need. And it is here that the essence of the egoistic liberal worldview is manifested. I don’t remember something that the liberals urged parents to cut expenses on themselves in order to increase them on children. Save on yourself? Never! They call for one thing - "not to produce misery." Like, if the parents are poor, then the children will be very poor. However, it is known that in poor families there are more children (on average) than in rich ones.

Moreover, it is enough to look around to be sure: many of those who complain about their poverty are not at all so poor not to have children. It is sometimes impossible to get to the houses because of the cars that drive all the yards. The shopping and entertainment centers are full of people. On entertainment shows - crush. And while many complain about the "difficult life"!

Perhaps it is not difficulties, but the fact that you do not want to think about anyone but yourself? Those who do not deny themselves the “small joys of life”, but at the same time justify their lack of childlessness by their unwillingness to “produce misery”, only sign for one thing: their reluctance to deprive themselves, their beloved. This is selfishness. Hence, the reason is not in the potential poverty of their children, but in their own egoism.

Were our great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers financially richer than us? Did they think, first of all, about their comfort, assuming its condition for the birth of children? No, they were just spiritually healthier. That is why we have mastered the sixth part of the land, having intermarried with all indigenous peoples. Our ancestors gave birth to children not out of some conditions, but for love! Because they could not otherwise. Their life was filled with a higher meaning, and not the consumption of goods, services and entertainment.

After all, 100 years ago in our families there were 5-7 children. Yes, today there is an acute problem of housing, which limits the birth rate. But do two or three children need a mansion? After all, there are still less than two children per woman (1,7 in 2012). Of course, there is growth, and this is good. But it should be even faster.

The roots lie in the spiritual dimension. After all, the most important reason for the installation of little or childlessness is the unwillingness to part with life “for oneself” and to take responsibility for raising children. After all, it is much easier to lead a carefree life, getting maximum pleasure from life with a minimum of obligations. But such an approach dishonors even marriage, turning it into legalized fornication. It is not for nothing that the Foundations of the Social Concept of the Russian Orthodox Church explicitly states that “deliberately refusing to give birth to children for egoistic reasons devalues ​​marriage and is an undoubted sin” (n. XII.3).

Russian proverb “love to skate - love and sleigh to carry” contains great wisdom. Do not deny yourself the pleasures - take on yourself and obligations. Enjoying a marriage - where are your children?

But what do the apologists of “modern values” call for? They only want to "ride". "Sanochki carry" them reluctance. But let's think: if we just ride all the time, and we do not carry sleighs, then this means only one thing: we are rolling down! Of course, all the fake “human rights activists” will take up this conclusion. However, you can give another example.

When we eat food, our goal is to satiate the body, i.e. satisfy the feeling of hunger. The pleasure that we get while enjoying the taste of food is optional and not at all obligatory, because you can eat very simple food. Imagine now that we only want to enjoy the taste, going to chips, chocolate and the most exquisite wines. What will happen to us? We wither and die. Our body will not survive. But why then the same can be done in marriage, enjoying the pleasures, but not joining the family? As in the case of food, the body declines, so in the case of marital relations, the soul declines. Is there a way out? It is very simple: you love to ride - love and sleigh to carry.

Our main wealth is people. What is the point of "living standards" if the number of its owners decreases? What is the use of all temporary acquisitions, if they are followed by rapid losses? Why do we need all this if, in decades, someone else speaks in our land?

Realizing all this, we must be strengthened in our own responsibility. Our great mission is not only to save Russia, but also to transfer it to our descendants. And for this, they must first be. This is our duty to the Fatherland!
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  1. My address
    My address 20 September 2013 07: 17 New
    41
    I agree with the article.
    Не зря в СМИ вбросили идею о прекращении материнского капитала, не столько из-за экономии, сколько посмотреть реакцию общества. Если бы реакция была вялой - ух как "манагеры высшего звена", стволлотчи по нашему, могли развернуться! А для меня как увижу беременную или молодую маму с коляской - так хорошо становится, как боженька босыми ножками по сердцу!
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 07: 22 New
      20
      Did you even have time to read it?

      It’s hard to disagree with the article.
      The one who is strong - he himself will be beaten out and find a way to get the education he needs.
      And to put on shoes and clothes, it should be enough money for everyone who does not live on a living wage.
      Суть в том, что фраза "зачем плодить нищету" навязывается не нищете, а среднему классу!
      Parents having several cars in the family and their own apartment say "зачем на второй ребёнок? На что мы его оденем и обуем? на что учить будем?"
      Yes, less often you fly to Turkey! Review the priorities in scattering money, but the first two children, if health allows, are generally a biological duty!
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 20 September 2013 07: 48 New
        41
        Maybe I missed something, but nowhere have I read calls not to produce poverty.
        Yesterday I was only at the parent's meeting with the youngest, cursing with parents and teachers. In the new sports complex, they cannot recruit guys for judo in the required quantity; therefore, they don’t give a bet to the coach. Is free. I’m trying to organize, but my parents have become rotten. I’m saying wait, your children will grow up to be graduated droves, they won’t call for dugs in the army so that they don’t offend vegetables.
        I cursed with teachers, I say, you take the fight between the boys at school as the end of the world, they already do not know how to fight. What's so bad about a fight? Even if you get the erysipelas, you will learn to hold a punch. Usually, in a Soviet school, they didn’t even take us to the principal for fights. Are you saying that the times are different, the children are completely sick, allergic.
        But the main topic at the meetings is collecting money, without a protruding pocket it is better not to go there. I haven’t been to meetings for about five years, and I won’t go anymore.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 20 September 2013 07: 56 New
          +6
          Cокращение рождаемости если не изменяет память, началась в России ещё в 70-е годы (помните песню ВИА "Вирасы"?), а наибольший спад пришелся в 90-е.
          1. rugor
            rugor 20 September 2013 08: 22 New
            +9
            1986 - peak birth rate in the USSR
            1. Rezun
              Rezun 20 September 2013 10: 04 New
              +3
              Ага,помним.Программа "Жульё-2000" и помощь матерям-одиночкам(горбачёвские тренды).Все практикантки "срочно"забеременели без оформления брачных отношений.
        2. domokl
          domokl 20 September 2013 08: 10 New
          +5
          Quote: sergey32
          But the main topic at the meetings is collecting money, without a protruding pocket it is better not to go there. I haven’t been to meetings for about five years, and I won’t go anymore.

          Sergey, I'm sorry, but you were deceived, to put it mildly, at the expense of the coach’s rate. Just like free classes. Insurance at the expense of your parents, trips to competitions, too, clothes too. And there are many pitfalls. You just believed as a new person (at meetings) what they said. And the rest are experienced laughing
          And about fights. It has been like this since the Soviet times. School brought up girls from boys and boys from girls. Remember. What should be a good girl? Activist, excellent student, instigator, unit or detachment commander. And then a MARRIED should grow up from her woman. And what boy? Executive, calm, not a bully, an excellent student. And at the exit he should be able to stand up for his opinion, take responsibility.
          1. sergey32
            sergey32 20 September 2013 08: 26 New
            +8
            Well, so what should parents absolutely not pay for anything? My mother also sewed a kimono in her childhood, was not on sale. And when the parents went to the competition, they gave a little bit of money. And in the Soviet school, at least in ours, it was weak to be dangerous, the showdowns were regular. Now the elder asked how you guys are there (she entered Baumanka this year), he says there’s no one to look at, all the hoses. What kind of men will they be?
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 20 September 2013 11: 16 New
            +5
            Quote: domokl
            It has been like this since Soviet times. At school, girls were brought up from boys, and boys from girls.

            I didn’t understand your phrase, in my opinion true women grew up from the girls then (and not such spoiled dolls as now), and from the guys the men who could stand up for themselves and were not afraid to deal with the hooligans even if the forces are not equal, now from a new generations, even one on one, no one will get involved .. only people who lived in the USSR are indifferent to evil ..
            And at the expense of children, I would like to add to the article that the worst thing now is that many women prefer a career to children, and are sure that these are incompatible things, and the terrible fear that they will lose one or two years from their life makes them change themselves female essence, and abandon true female happiness ..
          3. Evgeniy-111
            Evgeniy-111 20 September 2013 13: 04 New
            +2
            In my opinion, you did not study in a Soviet school.
            When I was studying (1974-1984), the boys were normal in our school, and the girls too. The current European version of education has never been there! And what you write about - too! Maybe you're out of luck with the school?
          4. Antony98
            Antony98 20 September 2013 21: 05 New
            +1
            Насчет "подводных камней" - вы неправы, друг. Я сам бесплатно занимаюсь на секции по скалолазанию, за поездки и соревнования берут по себестоимости: возит тренер, оплачивается только участие, да и то не всегда.
        3. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 08: 23 New
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          Quote: sergey32
          I’m trying to organize, but my parents have become rotten. I’m saying wait, your children will grow up to be graduated droves, they won’t call for dugs in the army so that they don’t offend vegetables.
          I cursed with teachers, I say, you take the fight between the boys at school as the end of the world, they already do not know how to fight. What's so bad about a fight? Even if you get the erysipelas, you will learn to hold a punch.

          Так проблема то как раз в этой фразе "зачем плодить нищиту" и есть.
          People at a young, most suitable age for childbearing have practically stopped giving birth.
          They give birth already standing firmly on their feet, and this is already in the years under or over the thirties, and hence all sorts of congenital ailments ...
          Yes, and the wrong lifestyle, not only before pregnancy but also during!
          Where do healthy children come from?

          And then, mom and dad are constantly at work, and as they come - dad for the computer, mom for the serials. In the best case, with children, DZ prepared for school and sleep.
          Who will deal with the child? Dads themselves forgot what elementary charging is! Naturally, children are not taught this, and if they are taught it is not by example, but simply forcing the children to get out because of this ... by any means trying to get rid of this charge.

          My boy is already at 6 years old with a hundred times wring out with me, a day in the evenings after kindergarten! And he was born with all sorts of allergies and what else .. mother (eternal gratitude to her for this) nursed him for three years ... And now I have no limit to joy! An independent and strong man is growing!
          1. Gur
            Gur 20 September 2013 10: 33 New
            +5
            Может конечно экология виновата, и пища не здоровая, ну возраст здесь не причем, в СССР и в России, бабы чуть ли не до 60 ти рожали, и ничего не было патологий. Да и вообще вопрос наверное не в этом, а в том что у государства нет заинтересованности в этом вопросе. Дали материнский капитал, и все? я думаю что капитал не нужен, нужны бесплатные больницы, детсады, школы,специальные и высшие заведения, государство должно поддерживать материнство и детство во всех проявлениях.А не вспоминать про детей когда надо в армию набор закрыть. В сов. время после войны, молодых солдат откармливали, как в детсаде, обед, сон час, полдник. Потому что нужны были здоровые бойцы,а после начинали это еще с детсада и школы. Государство должно заботится о здоровье нации, а не похерить все госты, в результате чего мы можем жрать все что угодно только, не то что покупаем, не рыбу, не колбасу, и тд и тп.( кстате сын уехал учиться в Минск с Алматы, восхищению нет предела, папа говорит, какие здоровые и накачанные парняги, почти все, (потому что жрут более менее нормальную пищу)) Секции жалуетесь детей не добирают, я своего на хоккей водил, я думаю что если бы у Третьяка были такие условия то его бы не было.А это была спортивная детская школа. После таких мучений, младшего отдал на брейк, соотношение цены и пользы куда больше. В советское время родители тоже особо нами не занимались, так же в работе на работе, приходили домой и тоже работали по дому. Росли и придумывали себе увлечения сами себе, а в 13 лет пошел на лето работать помощником комбайнера. А сейчас им чего делать? окна на перекрестках мыть? в лагерь? к нему не поступится цена за 10 дней ( в Алматы) как за 5 дней где нить в Турции или в Тайланде. Так что не в нас это дело, а в либерастах, мы бы рожали, только выкормить, дать образование, одеть обуть, это уже проблема, так как а бы чЁ, дети тоже не хотят.А деньги не то что на них нужно, пока за все заплатишь, посмотришь на то что осталось и уже об увеличении рождаемости думать не хочется.А такие высказывания как -" не надо плодить нищету"- это дело рук таких которые много чего такого говорят, что и ошибка России в том что выбрала православие, и что нет хуже скотины чем русский мужик и тд и тп" Мы для них материал, говно. А вот за это их надо брать за машонку, зажирели нонча при нашем попустительстве.
            1. matross
              matross 20 September 2013 12: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: GUR
              We are material for them, shit. But for this they need to be taken for a typewriter, the noncha got fat with our connivance.

              Do not take, but tear! So that these just did not multiply!
        4. Proud.
          Proud. 20 September 2013 10: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: sergey32
          In the new sports complex, they cannot recruit guys for judo in the required quantity; therefore, they don’t give a bet to the coach. Is free.

          Плюсанул вас "беспощадно"!У меня младший тоже часто болел в детстве.По этой причине к спорту стал его приучать достаточно поздно,в 13 лет,потихоньку,не спеша.Сейчас "маленький" растёт бешеным темпом.В декабре 17,рост-1 метр 96 см.,вес-95кг.Занимается единоборствами,не бесплатно,5 тренировок в неделю по профилю + 2 тренировки(дни выбирает сам)с железом(можно бесплатно,в профильном зале,но надо ездить,а под домом есть другой и не дорого,даём деньги,бегает туда).Начались занятия в школе,дополнительные занятия с педагогами(тоже не бесплатно).Появилась подружка.Естественно никакого табака и алкоголя.В общем приходиться тратиться.Но!Ни я,ни супруга,не жалеем!"Поджали" кое в чём себя и нормально.
        5. Denis
          Denis 20 September 2013 10: 49 New
          +7
          Quote: sergey32
          the main topic at meetings is collecting money, without a bulging pocket, it’s better not to go there.
          Just on the topic:
        6. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 20 September 2013 12: 18 New
          +6
          Quote: sergey32
          the main topic at meetings is raising money, without a bulging pocket it’s better not to go there

          Parents ’meeting is an event for which admission is free, and the exit is 3-5 thousand. I know very well. 3 of his own, 3 adoptive, 5 of them are schoolchildren. It’s financially difficult, but we also manage to build it. We don’t go to Turkey and Egypt, but they’re full and dressed, and the house is big (now I’m expanding the second floor).
        7. So_o_tozh
          So_o_tozh 20 September 2013 16: 07 New
          +4
          In, and Zhinka generally doesn’t let me go to school, she’s afraid that I’ll shit out of place, such as loot regularly, but no return, she’s afraid of her daughter’s assessment ...
          And small, when I grow up necessarily for the fight I will give, why right now the boys grow vegetables? Because women everywhere bring up, starting from kindergarten, school, at the institute, too, mainly. Moms wash, cook, iron, clean, wipe their ass ... Look around mostly villages, women plow, and men plump. drinks
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        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 07: 55 New
          0
          belay laughing Этож надо какой ранимый и дёрганый! Это обращение на "Ты" вызвало такую реакцию? Оу, ну простите великодушно, в Your state of mind probably should not be so nervous.

          And my question arose in connection with a misunderstanding, and here Yours speculation about the stuffing of some kind of managers about maternal capital ... somehow there is nothing about this in the article ... The essence of the article is a little different, and that if there was a desire, you can easily find the opportunity. In pursuit of material values, we selfishly forget the main thing.
      3. Crocodile
        Crocodile 20 September 2013 08: 48 New
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        It seems that most of the men here on the site, and maybe I will run into cons, but I can’t keep silent about this!
        The main problem in us men! You should not count on maternity capital, on state payments, on handouts from the authorities!
        A man should always be a getter, breadwinner, hunter!
        In most cases, males are sent for abortion (I can’t name a man!).
        Nobody has canceled natural selection and cannot cancel! The child SHOULD make his own way in life himself, and our business is to help take the first steps!
        He himself has two sons, so from childhood I set them up to the need to fight for themselves (not to be confused with the words to fight and break through!), Those
        - study well (this is your job!)
        - creatively develop
        - develop respect for others
        - go in for sports, for health, and not for results.
        And my task, as a father, is to provide them with separate housing - to adulthood, worthy of their level of education and a minimum set for an independent start of life (a middle class car, for work, is included in this set, but not a cool car!)
        While doing everything!
        The eldest on state support studies at a technical university included in the top ten of the country, the youngest plays the guitar, the 2nd adult sports category at 11 years old, an excellent student in the best school in the city.
        Finance is decent, but these are my children - my pride!
        Yes, my wife didn’t work a single day!
        So that men are all in your hands! Stop crying in a rag, look for your place in life!
        1. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 20 September 2013 08: 52 New
          +1
          and where you respected reside you can ask?
          1. Crocodile
            Crocodile 20 September 2013 10: 18 New
            +2
            Krasnodar region...
            Not a businessman ...
            Higher education and work in the specialty ...
            1. Evgeniy-111
              Evgeniy-111 20 September 2013 13: 08 New
              0
              And what is a specialty, if not a secret?
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 September 2013 10: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Crocodile
          You should not count on maternity capital, on state payments, on handouts from the authorities!
      4. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 09: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Ты её хоть дочитать то успел?Со статьёй сложно не согласиться.Тот кто силен - тот сам выбьется и найдёт способ получить нужное уму образование. А на обуть и одеть, уж денег то должно хватить каждому, кто живёт не на прожиточный минимум.Суть в том, что фраза "зачем плодить нищету" навязывается не нищете, а среднему классу!Родители имея несколько машин в семье и свою собственную квартиру говорят "зачем на второй ребёнок? На что мы его оденем и обуем? на что учить будем?"Да реже в Турцию слетаешь! Приоритеты в разбрасывании денег пересмотри, но первые два ребёнка, если здоровье позволяет - это вообще биологическая обязанность!

        I would say the first three. Moreover, the article does not consider the economic aspect. Children are difficult to raise, but after they learn and begin to work, they will become an economic engine. Do not give birth to children is at least economic suicide.
        The second aspect is clear only to parents. No Turkey or Italy can replace the smiles of your child. These are not pathos words, but reality.
        And the third, in terms of social. Much less money is spent on maintaining a child than on maintaining an ever-falling social status. The parent does not care about social games with peers, priorities change dramatically, which often leads precisely to an increase in social status in the eyes of others, and not to its decline.

        По собственному опыту скажу что существенной проблемой является не финансовый вопрос, а именно нравственный выбор. Очень сложно убедить жену что ей в 25 нужно рожать третьего ребенка ,когда из дикретного отпуска не выходит четвертый год подряд. И конечно у самого есть чувство что где то еще не побывал и много не увидел, но смотришь в глаза своему сыну и понимаешь что он сможет увидеть "твоё" куда с большим удовольствием и радостью ,просто у самого уже чуть чуть чувства к этой жизни притупились...

        И еще раз о финансовых возможностях. Денег на детей нужно не много, гораздо больше нужно времени и это нужно понимать и принимать сразу. Именно это является причиной "финансовой просадки" семьи ,но лишать себя и детей человеческого общения ради звонкого рубля практика тоже порочная.
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 20 September 2013 10: 28 New
          +5
          Have time to see the world. I was the first time abroad in Egypt in 38 years, now 40, a couple of times a year at sea we try to travel as a family. But four grew up, it became a little easier.
      5. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 20 September 2013 10: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        And to put on shoes and clothes, it should be enough money for everyone who does not live on a living wage.
    2. Alez
      Alez 20 September 2013 07: 43 New
      14
      When some kind of moral y --- q, says - no need to produce poverty. You need to tell him, you had to start with your parents, who gave birth to a spiritually impoverished person.
      1. My address
        My address 20 September 2013 08: 21 New
        +3
        You are right.
        Perhaps you need to act on the principle - get ready to die, and this rye. That is, you can feed - get the children. After all, to desire material benefits, to justify childlessness, it is possible to infinity. We are so few on our territory.
      2. Crocodile
        Crocodile 20 September 2013 09: 01 New
        +4
        No need to produce spiritual and moral poverty!
        There is not a single person on this sinful land, who would have ENOUGH money, listen to the oligarchs - in general they are starving, has Berezovsky and Abramovich long been suing?
        The formula: the higher the income, the more children in the family - complete nonsense!
        1. My address
          My address 20 September 2013 09: 43 New
          +3
          I agree.
          For nearly thirty years, I think that the most important professions are a teacher, starting with a nurse in kindergarten, and a doctor, starting with a nurse, also a mother and a father. I consider them more important even grain-growers. Another question, what are they in fact. And the production workers, including me, are the third layer.
    3. Asgard
      Asgard 20 September 2013 07: 54 New
      +6
      I agree with the message of the article, the author has a bit chaotically formulated)))
      Дело в том, что в обществе людском идет борьба, если детей много- а Дети носители чистого незамутненого Телевизором и СМИ -ЗНАНИЯ-, то победу "вырожденцам" не одержать....
      Since Children in their matrix DEMAND appropriate behavior and attitudes towards themselves .... which already conflicts with the state, with its exorbitant appetites for paying bills and TOTAL ....(and this is the key to children's survival)
      And if the state offers us to pay for EVERYTHING, why do we need such a state ....
      Listen))))
      Там "вывихи" ну например-"материнский капитал", женщина рожает и потенциально получает 300 рублей, потом, когда нибудь, если что нибудь не произойдет)))
      Will you do something for which you will be encouraged someday later ???
      years through THREE ....
      It was interesting how the media interviewed mothers who gave birth due to physiology and the maternal feeling of continuing the clan, holding a piece of paper with monograms ... Mothers say so, вот ребенок-можно его увидеть пощупать и подержать в руках-а это пока только "обещание" и мне пока рано об этом думать, заплатят тоже будет хорошо, а пока Мы рассчитываем на своё))))

      Such moms stopped showing on TV and because most of them ....
      And they think to curtail the program - not about PR)
      among us - People))))
    4. Airman
      Airman 20 September 2013 09: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: My address
      And for me, how I see a pregnant or young mother with a stroller - it becomes as good as a little god with bare feet in her heart!

      When I see a pregnant Tajik woman, an Uzbek woman, a Kyrgyz woman, it becomes so dreary that they will soon be overwhelmed, and our children will have to live as outcasts in their country, like Indians in America.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 12: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Povshnik
        When I see a pregnant Tajik woman, an Uzbek woman, a Kyrgyz woman, it becomes so dreary that they will soon be overwhelmed, and our children will have to live as outcasts in their country, like Indians in America.

        So make your wife 6 give birth to you, then it will not be dreary.
      2. Evgeniy-111
        Evgeniy-111 20 September 2013 13: 11 New
        +3
        And you increase the birth rate of RUSSIAN - and it will not be dreary!
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 20 September 2013 10: 28 New
      +5
      I also absolutely agree with the article, even from a military point of view there are more children, more soldiers in the country, defenders, so to speak, mowed down from the army, I am convinced mainly by those who are the only son at home and feel sorry for letting him go, and when there are many guys, then for each other they’ll stand by the mountain.

      In ancient times, warriors constantly took place in the Kazakh steppes, people died in the thousands, and therefore gave birth to all 10 people or more (I remember from my grandmothers), even there were times that brought the enemy’s small children and raised them as their own, and he grew up fighting with others .

      An example, a Negro will grow up in an orphanage, there will be a war, he will stopudovo consider himself Russian.
    6. Hon
      Hon 20 September 2013 13: 36 New
      +1
      I agree with the author, but I don’t understand where in the media he saw propaganda giving birth less? This is already a fantasy.
    7. Che
      Che 21 September 2013 16: 29 New
      +3
      My grandfather had a family of 14 people. Half died during the defense of the fatherland. The rest built and created the country. Now, God forbid, they will give birth to two and cannot raise them.
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 20 September 2013 07: 18 New
    +2
    Автор только проснулся? С 2007 года все талдычат об увеличении семьи и т.п. Программа "Материнский капитал" при всей ее недоделанности действует тоже с 2007 и достаточно эффективно. А сокращение рождаемости в семьях среднего и высокого уровня образования напрямую связана с экономическими причинами и некоторыми другими.
    By the way, the anti-alcohol campaign also became one of the reasons for the increase in the population of Russia, affecting the life expectancy of men and the number of children.
    Но проблема, о которой предпочитают молчать все - проблема, как сейчас принято говорить, "детей, оставшихся без попечения родителей" - проще и грубее - сирот. Вот здесь проблема - и в их количестве, и в их качестве (здоровье) и в их последующей адаптации к жизни. Сейчас государство тупо снабжает их деньгами, а Астахов в это время пиарится на США. Но эта проблема (а я с сиротами работал 3 года), честно сказать, шокирует своими размерами и равнодушием властей. А по некторым оценкам у нас сирот сейчас больше, чем после войны.
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 September 2013 07: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: serge-68-68
      Но проблема, о которой предпочитают молчать все - проблема, как сейчас принято говорить, "детей, оставшихся без попечения родителей" - проще и грубее - сирот.

      I don’t know exactly how it is now, but about 15 years ago, when it was much worse in the country, I was very closely involved in this problem. The state then invested huge amounts of money in orphans. Huge. In the truest sense of the word. And the result? None. Half of the boarding schools immediately went to the zone. The rest a bit later. Only 20-25 percent adapted in life.
      And the saddest thing was that there were almost no orphans. Parents either left or were imprisoned, or were deprived of parental rights. For 150 children of the boarding school there were only 3 orphans. Think about three.
      So the problem is just in the family. It is necessary to make sure that only those three remain in such institutions. Yes, and that, only before adoption. The rest should live in the family. The family should become the state’s priority. Not the pre-election PR, but the real goal a real place where the state sees its future
      1. Darakht
        Darakht 20 September 2013 07: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        The family should become a state priority.

        Now there seems to be progress in this direction, there are few children living in orphanages, mostly foster families take them. But ... The result is the same, good money is allocated to the adoptive mom and dad, plus wages, plus benefits. It seems that everything is good and everyone is happy, but as soon as the child reaches 18 years of age and the state stops giving money, young people go ... to the zone. Why? Yes, because these families are no different from the orphanage, we have whole villages living with it, collective farms have collapsed, there is no place to work, so they found a feeding trough.
        Why the country does not want to give the same money to native dads and mothers, for me there is a great secret behind seven seals!
        1. domokl
          domokl 20 September 2013 07: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Daraht
          Why the country does not want to give the same money to native dads and mothers, for me there is a great secret behind seven seals!

          Here I am about the same thing. One-time payments and other benefits laid down on local budgets are fiction. There is no money on the periphery. But monthly payments in the same volume as orphans to their parents may well solve the problem. Yes, and non-funny parents will think about it. such a feeder is difficult. And if they deprived them of payment from their parents. For not payment, the deadline.
      2. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 20 September 2013 07: 42 New
        +3
        Есть родители или нет - все равно сирота. А проблема осталась в таком же разрезе. Можно прибавить только то, что сейчас такие дети отлично выучили свои права и телефоны разномастных "защитников". Чуть что - сразу жалуются и при этом просто врут.
        And about a few children left in orphanages - wrong.
        1. Darakht
          Darakht 20 September 2013 07: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: serge-68-68
          And about a few children left in orphanages - wrong.

          In our area, the rural area is not a city, the population is not so much.
        2. domokl
          domokl 20 September 2013 07: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Whether there are parents or not, it’s still an orphan.

          winked An interesting idea: Parents who abandoned their children or are deprived of parental rights are obliged to support these children. They cannot do the same as for bank debts.
        3. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 12: 28 New
          0
          I think it was about orphans, which are really very few. 98% of orphans or street children are orphans with living parents. But such parents are of little use, even worse that they are. A life example in children is negative from the first years.
    2. Kahlan amnell
      20 September 2013 07: 34 New
      +8
      When the author woke up - not the point. Another thing is important! Here it:
      Maybe it’s not a matter of difficulties, but the fact that you don’t want to think about anyone but yourself? Those who do not deny themselves the "little worldly joys", but at the same time justify their little or childlessness with the unwillingness to "produce poverty", sign only one thing: in unwillingness to deprive oneself of a loved one. This is egoism. Therefore, the reason is not in the potential poverty of their children, but in their own egoism.

      But what do apologists of “modern values” call for? They only want to ride. "Sleigh to carry" them reluctance. But let's think: if we just ride all the time, and we don’t carry sledges, then this means only one thing: we are rolling down!
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 20 September 2013 08: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: serge-68-68
      A reduction in fertility in families of secondary and high levels of education is directly related to economic reasons and some others.

      With economic reasons? Hm. This, what kind of economic reasons are those that prevent families with a HIGH educational level from having children? It is correct in the article that the progressive egoism and the imposed values ​​of the consumer society do not allow children to start.
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 20 September 2013 08: 59 New
        -2
        Вы путаете высокий уровень образования и высокий уровень зарплаты. Одно с другим никак не связано. А "прогрессирующий эгоизм" здесь ни при чем - как только стали давать материнский капитал, многие относительно молодые семьи с вполне приличным доходом стали заводить второго ребенка. Именно экономические условия мешают увеличению рождаемости в "образованных" семьях.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 September 2013 10: 20 New
          0
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Именно экономические условия мешают увеличению рождаемости в "образованных" семьях.
          Economic instability, lack of sufficient social guarantees and confidence in the future — to be more precise.
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 20 September 2013 10: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: serge-68-68
          You are confusing a high level of education and a high level of salary. One is not connected with the other.

          How do you know what I am confusing? I don’t confuse anything, I just ask: how is the economic situation connected with education in the light of the birth of children?
          Quote: serge-68-68
          as soon as they began to give maternity capital, many relatively young families with quite decent income began to have a second child.

          Семье, с вполне приличным доходом, эти 300-400тыр погоды не делают. Люди либо хотят детей, либо нет. А вот эти, как Вы выразились, "образованные" семьи как раз и начинают рассуждать: мы не можем себе позволить съездить в Тунис, купить Ниссан Армаду, построить второй этаж к дому, какие уж тут дети. Между тем, другие с гораздо меньшим заработком растят своих детей и поднимают их на ноги.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 20 September 2013 12: 12 New
            0
            I repeat once again - you confuse high education and high income. My friends with higher education and decent income by our standards do not choose between Tunisia and Nissan Armada. and 300-400 thousand for them a noticeable increase.
        3. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 12: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Вы путаете высокий уровень образования и высокий уровень зарплаты. Одно с другим никак не связано. А "прогрессирующий эгоизм" здесь ни при чем - как только стали давать материнский капитал, многие относительно молодые семьи с вполне приличным доходом стали заводить второго ребенка. Именно экономические условия мешают увеличению рождаемости в "образованных" семьях.

          This is complete nonsense. Maternal capital is a help for the lazy. Just when the state gives you money for the birth of children, you have at least some kind of confidence that tomorrow you will not be thrown one on one with the traders. This is the effect, and maternal capital, although a good thing, is still less important for Russian families. For guests from the south, the effect is much stronger, they already give birth to 4-5 children, and they also receive money.
          Who has children, he understands that neither 250 nor 450 can justify your expenses for the first two years of life.
          When I made the decision about the future of the family, I found the only source of financing for the unborn child to be a reduction in my own consumption. I quit smoking and drinking even a glass a year, looked at Europe and Turkey and that's enough, I set the counters all the same for a baby you are charged a full fee. And already this was enough, without any major changes in the income received, money is enough for both his wife and children. The only serious economic problem is that there is little time to work, you have to put off some activities and abandon promising projects outside the hometown. You need to spend more time with your family, but I think the kindergarten and school will solve this problem after some time.
          Так что если вернуться к теме, то материнский капитал это капля в море с весьма сомнительным результатом. Я бы предпочел чтобы врачи выписывали бесплатные хорошие лекарства и дет сады не просили с "ремонтами", вместо этих денег. Ну или улучшение жил условий ,но это уже отдельный разговор. А так монетизация это негатив для общества ,но упрощение для правительства. Дал один раз денег и забыл о проблеме, только смотри как молодые папаши себе машину покупают, которую и содержать то не смогут.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 20 September 2013 12: 50 New
            0
            Или Вы бредите или я даже боюсь представить, сколько Вы курили и выпивали, если этой "экономии" Вам хватает на ребенка и это - единственный источник... И кстати, если уж материнский капитал - для ленивых, почему же Вы, такой активный, взялись сокращать собственное потребление, а не начали более активно зарабатывать деньги?
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 17: 22 New
              +1
              Because the wife needs to help look after the child. And for the second too. I smoked and drank not much, but it is also money. The same pack of cigarettes is 65 rubles, a can of beer another 40, an energy drink another 60. I am not saying that maternity capital is bad, it’s good. But if you choose between a normal social network, at least for children and a one-time targeted payment, I would choose a social network.
              I didn’t have to reduce my own consumption strongly, I just emphasized that it is not difficult. If earlier I went to all the premieres in the cinema, to a greater extent not because of all the films, but for the cultural party. Then now there is no time and special opportunity. But with no less pleasure I watch these same films on the net. In fact, we all live above the average without noticing this, but they inspire us that we are rogues and. You just need to spit in the face to those who say so and calmly enjoy the life. And the more of these lives around you, the better.
  3. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 07: 18 New
    +7
    Happy is not the one who has a lot of money, but the one who has enough of it.

    Part of my childhood and youth passed in the 90s, I found coupons and shortages and other embellishments of perestroika.
    born in the family of a school teacher and agricultural machinery (well, the level of prosperity in the 90s, is it immediately clear in my family right?), in a province like Sakhalin.
    Не было уже ни кружком ни лагерей... Да много чего не было.. "это было детство 90-х... мы развлекались как могли" (перефразирую известную фразу)
    But in spite of everything - I remember my childhood as very happy and joyful.
    I grew up quite a successful young man and have already managed to achieve their labor decent position and already occupy a solid, confident middle in the middle class of society.
    My son is going to school next year and not the next year I dream of another child.

    I would like to ask a liberal who advises not to produce poverty, as he thinks, would I like to give birth to me or not? After all, I am the third and youngest child ... After all, following the logic of this liberalist, I should not be in the world!
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 20 September 2013 07: 38 New
      +2
      Likewise, there were no circles, but I managed to stay in October Revolution, 1 year, still fond memories ...
      1. rugor
        rugor 20 September 2013 08: 23 New
        +1
        I am also only a year old. Respect. smile
    2. Dimy4
      Dimy4 20 September 2013 07: 46 New
      +2
      Интересно, что он ответит на вопрос "А хотел ли он, чтобы ЕГО (либераста) рожали?
    3. Darakht
      Darakht 20 September 2013 08: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      I would like to ask a liberal who advises not to produce poverty, as he thinks, would I like to give birth to me or not? After all, I am the third and youngest child ... After all, following the logic of this liberalist, I should not be in the world!

      You are very categorical, but let me give you my example. An ordinary Soviet family, an obstetrician’s mother, a geologist’s father, a grandmother, chief economist, two children who don’t know anything about rejection, who are pampered and who have everything their peers don’t have. It is worth considering - they lived in Tajikistan, they say a lot in Russia was in short supply, I don’t know we had everything, or our parents could get it all - it didn’t bother me much. Then clap, and there is no USSR, war, father died, the family leaves their homeland, we live in terrible and cold Russia. We arrived in February, from raincoats warm clothes - and on horseradish fur coats in Central Asia? There is nowhere to live, nothing to eat. My mother was lucky - she got to the hospital, my grandmother was given a dwelling as a widow (I’m silent about what difficulties she needed to get a roof over her head). I'm going to school, brother to kindergarten. They laugh at me - I am in tarpaulin boots, my grandmother works as a cleaner and helps to prepare accounting reports for a bag of potatoes, makes reconciliations, and again tears floors and toilets. 20 years have passed, brother is the principal of the school, I’m the head of the department. What does this prove? But it proves nothing. My brother has two children, I don’t have a single one and I don’t have any plans for the near future - I don’t want to bear poverty when I’m sure that I can educate, put on my feet, I won’t start a family.
      PS Those who laughed at my tarpaulin boots now work as sellers and taxi drivers, I don’t laugh at them, I remember how my grandmother washed floors - any work is honorable! And yes, a deep bow to our dear mothers, grandmothers, women.
      1. Uncle Serozha
        Uncle Serozha 20 September 2013 08: 12 New
        +2
        Darakht - forced to think. God give you children.
      2. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 08: 13 New
        +3
        I am not talking about tragedies in the family, about real problems and forced life at a living wage. Everything is clear, there are exceptions.
        But the general rule shows just what quite successful people do not give birth!
        Justifying this in the most selfish way, starting from the fact that I have not yet flown around the world, ending with the fact that I do not want to spoil the figure.

        This is a disease of society ... really a disease ...
      3. Flooding
        Flooding 20 September 2013 09: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Daraht
        My brother has two children, I don’t have a single one and I don’t have any plans for the near future - I don’t want to bear poverty when I’m sure that I can educate, put on my feet, I won’t start a family.

        I can’t turn my tongue to name my children.
        What kind of poverty? No need to project their complexes on unborn children.
        God willing - learn the joy of being a parent. But are you not afraid to get used to it?
        Get used to the fact that you do not need to take care of anyone except yourself (we keep the mother-father in mind). Is this not self-deception? Will the birth of a child spur you on for more in your life? We can only assume what awaits us.
        1. Darakht
          Darakht 20 September 2013 10: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Flood
          I can’t turn my tongue to name my children.
          What kind of poverty? No need to project their complexes on unborn children.
          God willing - learn the joy of being a parent. But are you not afraid to get used to it?
          Get used to the fact that you do not need to take care of anyone except yourself (we keep the mother-father in mind). Is this not self-deception? Will the birth of a child spur you on for more in your life? We can only assume what awaits us.

          As you say, everyone chooses his own path, whether or not to give birth to a personal question for everyone, to bring ideology under it - savagery and absurdity.
          Thank you very much (sincere thanks). Maybe you're right.
          Quote: Uncle Seryozha
          Darakht - forced to think. God give you children.

          Rahmati feces! There will be children.
      4. My address
        My address 20 September 2013 10: 02 New
        +2
        It has long been known that in any production, products do everything, starting with a cleaning lady. Just who is good and who is bad. Similarly in the country. When someone declared that he feeds everyone - locksmiths, an office, electricians, I suggested to rotate the engine on 0.5 or 2 MW, and then sweep the workshop span, or shut up to avoid deprivation of the premium. But it was very rare, and with it either young technologists or idiots.
        1. Denis
          Denis 20 September 2013 11: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: My address
          Similarly in the country
          The question is probably unanswered:
          Who feeds different deputies is known, and who do they feed?
          1. My address
            My address 20 September 2013 19: 04 New
            +1
            Yes, Denis. You have a rhetorical question. In my opinion, a similar question can be asked for many in power. For example on dames. Do not take it for the answer of feeding them children, mistresses, etc.
      5. Midshipman
        Midshipman 20 September 2013 10: 19 New
        +1
        Вы же выбились из "нищеты" благодаря собственному труду и способностям, почему же Вы своим детям в этом отказываете? Это первое и второе - не говорите, что не живете половой жизнью, хотя это и не мое дело, а ведь от этого, при таком подходе, частенько случаются аборты, детоубийство по сути. Их Вы тоже считаете возможным оправдать нежеланием плодить нищету? Может лучше в тесноте да не в обиде?
        1. Darakht
          Darakht 20 September 2013 10: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: Midshipman
          Вы же выбились из "нищеты" благодаря собственному труду и способностям, почему же Вы своим детям в этом отказываете? Это первое и второе - не говорите, что не живете половой жизнью, хотя это и не мое дело, а ведь от этого, при таком подходе, частенько случаются аборты, детоубийство по сути. Их Вы тоже считаете возможным оправдать нежеланием плодить нищету? Может лучше в тесноте да не в обиде?

          As I understand it - you turned to me? I don’t have children, so I will refuse them something, and will not be until I decide that I can not refuse them anything. About my sex life lol As I say softer, I protect myself. So there is no infanticide! As for the cramped, but not insulted - slogans to live well in a fantasy world, in the real world they, as a rule, do not work.
          And I repeat again! To give birth or not to give birth to everyone's personal business !!! Customize the strategy for this - savagery and absurdity !!!
      6. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 20 September 2013 10: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Daraht
        They laugh at me - I'm in tarpaulin boots, my grandmother works as a cleaner and helps to prepare accounting reports for a bag of potatoes, makes reconciliations, and again tears floors and toilets

        Children are cruel.
        Quote: Daraht
        and in the near future I don’t want to produce poverty when I’m sure that I can educate, put on my feet, I won’t start a family.

        So you will never be sure. I'm also not sure of anything, but I have two, the only thing that keeps on is the housing problem, the cave is small. smile
        Quote: Daraht
        20 years have passed, brother is the principal of the school, I’m the head of the department. What does this prove?

        This proves that you and your brother are hardened by difficulties, and for those who have been blowing their asses all their childhood, the character has remained amorphous. It’s good when mom and dad have the opportunity to keep these for life, and if not, a person falls.
  4. domokl
    domokl 20 September 2013 07: 19 New
    +3
    I brought up, thank God, three children and, accordingly, I know something about this. The article put a minus just because the author’s declaration and rally patriotism distorted. It seems like we are rotten people, we don’t want to give birth. Yes, we can and raise, only we can feed and nothing to teach. In the literal sense of the word.
    Suppose a family with a normal, average statistical income has 2 children. And what? Dress, put on shoes, pay for school (and God forbid the child is talented, a lot of money for additional education). I'm not talking about culture, etc. Not our family is pulling. And whom will we bring up then? A worker, without education. An ant who is destined only to work all his life? Tales about opportunities no longer pass. Opportunities need to be paid.
    The next aspect, grow up, there will be happiness. Also nonsense ... Most of the hopelessness will suck. And will sit at the retirement of parents.
    While the state will remember about children at the time of conscription, it will be so. The people are not to blame. The people simply cannot ...
    1. a52333
      a52333 20 September 2013 07: 34 New
      +4
      + Вам, Александр за третьего ребенка, а не за коммент. И Вас отравила "либералка". Не сопьется. Кому спиться и снаркоманится- да хоть он единственный, он это сделает. А вообще, давайте поговорим за продолжение "материнского капитала". Не всегда государство будет в минусах, как в этом году. И, ИМХО, хороший вариант увязать ФОНД национального благосостояния: четверо детей-на тебе квартиру. Причем с четкой оглядкой на регион. Депрессивные регионы поднимут рождаемость.
      1. domokl
        domokl 20 September 2013 07: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: a52333
        + You, Alexander for the third child, and not for the comment.

        laughing Well ... I got a plus sign for free ... My third was born 15 minutes after the second ...
        Quote: a52333
        , давайте поговорим за продолжение "материнского капитала". Не всегда государство будет в минусах, как в этом году. И, ИМХО, хороший вариант увязать ФОНД национального благосостояния: четверо детей-на тебе квартир

        No funds. Extra organizations are superfluous officials. It seems to me that the idea of ​​an apartment is very beautiful. Only a little bit to refine in case of further use of these apartments.
        I think real monthly payments to parents (regardless of the number of children) in the amount of a living wage for a child in the region would not be superfluous.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 20 September 2013 07: 45 New
      -2
      Quote: domokl
      And then whom will we bring up? A worker, without education. An ant who is destined only to work all his life?

      It just so happened, I rarely agree with you. But now you are a plus from me.
      It’s not that children need to be fed, dressed, put on shoes, there are funds for this. And the house would have somehow accommodated. But here is education ... And not to give education is a meanness in relation to your own child. Yes, in America you can study on credit. But starting an independent life with a debt of tens of thousands of dollars is not what I wish my children. Therefore, they didn’t get it anymore - what else can we learn.
      And further. Children have the right to parental attention. And as much as there is. And what grows out of children deprived of parental attention - to explain, or not?
      1. domokl
        domokl 20 September 2013 08: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        . Children have the right to parental attention. And as much as there is. And what grows out of children deprived of parental attention - to explain, or not?

        Parental attention in modern society, alas, is nonsense. As soon as the baby gets on his feet, parents turn more into breadwinners than into caregivers. Such Saturday-Sunday bores and cultural enlightenment are workers. And on ordinary days, raise, feed and send to nursery, kindergarten, school ... And in the evening, exactly the same.
        We were probably lucky. We were able to educate children. And not bad. But most now can not.
        1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          Mihaylo Tishayshiy 20 September 2013 16: 47 New
          +2
          Да, господа "domokl" и "Наган"... Как верно заметил "а52333", "domokl", и вашу душу поразила гнильца "либерализма".
          Quote: Nagan
          But here is education ... And not to give education is a meanness in relation to your own child.

          But my younger sister and I do not consider the vileness on the part of our parents that they gave birth to us, but could not give us a good education. I entered the institute when I already worked and graduated when I myself had a daughter. My sister entered and graduated from a university in Germany when she moved there for permanent residence with her husband (an Altai German) and a child.
          "Нет возможности дать хорошее образование" - это ария из той же оперы, что и арии о "недостаточной жилой площади", о "недостаточных доходах", "времени" и т.д. и т.п. "А что я смогу дать им, нарожав детей?" - очень весский аргумент для "гуманных" либералов, что бы оправдать свой эгоизм. Что главное нужно ребёнку? Ребёнку главное дать воспитание (не образование!), т.е. дать ему свою любовь, заботу, внимание, стать ему другом и старшим товарищем.
          I have achieved everything in life and I am doing it myself, which is what my daughter taught me. Unfortunately (for the health of his wife), we have one daughter. Of course, as a father, I must provide the child with a roof over his head, food and clothing. As for the rest ... When she was still in school, I told her that if she didn’t go to college on a budget, with her perseverance, she would have nothing to do with it, that my mother and I would pay for her accommodation, we’ll shoe and dress her, but we will not pay for her training, because God didn’t offend her mind, and I don’t intend to indulge in laziness.
          So what? She finished school fine. I entered the university and the specialty I wanted for a budget place, constantly receives a scholarship, because passes sessions well. Now she is studying in the 5th year and, I think, does not consider me a scoundrel, for trying to instill in her contempt for luck and respect for success. For luck is a freebie (found on the street, won the lottery, parents gave it, etc.), as it came, it went. A freebie corrupts. Success is the fruit of hard work, and labor has not yet corrupted anyone.
          Article set +. However, to the fact that many because of their egoism do not want to give birth to children, I am philosophical. If people do not give birth, so as not to sacrifice their welfare, their beliefs or their addictions for the sake of children, then they are not worthy to live in this world and God or Nature (for atheists) punishes them by interrupting their race. Can you imagine if such egotists and homosexuals breed here !!! Does the country need such people? But is such a country needed at all?
          I hope love does not disappear in our country and children in our country will be born of love, because according to cold calculation, the birth rate is skidding.
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 17: 26 New
          0
          Странное у вас какое то большинство. Все мои родственики и знакомые, да и соседи всегда уделяют внимания и своим и чужим детям. Когда ребенок шаблается сам по себе ,то это случай из категории "неблагополучной" семьи. Но к счастью это нонсенс в наших краях. Так что ситуацию не нужно драматизировать. Хотя я еще раз повторю что дети действительно забирают не столько деньги, сколько время. Но это совсем не плохо.
      2. George
        George 20 September 2013 08: 06 New
        +4
        Hello all.
        About education:
        Отчего то у нас все родители кинулись своих чад в ВУЗы втискивать (не иначе одни таланты ), будто в стране страшнейшая нехватка юристов и экономистов ( как говорил в 90-е мой учитель по автоделу Дмитрий Викторович Меньков , дай Бог ему здоровья , "Будут все эти экономисты пирожками торговать ").
        The country needs specialists from different fields, but where is it easier to shove into the legal, why work. I remember Tkachev at one performance said that there was a shortage in the region: tractor drivers, combine harvesters, locksmiths, etc.
        1. washi
          washi 20 September 2013 11: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: GEORGE
          Hello all.
          About education:
          Отчего то у нас все родители кинулись своих чад в ВУЗы втискивать (не иначе одни таланты ), будто в стране страшнейшая нехватка юристов и экономистов ( как говорил в 90-е мой учитель по автоделу Дмитрий Викторович Меньков , дай Бог ему здоровья , "Будут все эти экономисты пирожками торговать ").
          The country needs specialists from different fields, but where is it easier to shove into the legal, why work. I remember Tkachev at one performance said that there was a shortage in the region: tractor drivers, combine harvesters, locksmiths, etc.

          What are you? it is not prestigious. So how does such an amazing parent have a child - a tractor driver or a locksmith? Yes, all the friends will laugh.
          This began to grind back in the 80's. There are prestigious professions, there are monetary ones. Less attention was paid to manufacturers and security workers: workers, peasants, engineers, Moscow Region, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB and more and more service staff: Traders, singers, hairdressers, writers, etc.
        2. Denis
          Denis 20 September 2013 19: 40 New
          0
          Quote: GEORGE
          there is a shortage in the region: tractor drivers, combine harvesters, locksmiths, etc.
          One stsukko extra combine there was definitely
          In St. Petersburg, after vocational schools, where a kid is taught to be a CNC machine operator, after school he doesn’t go wherever he takes, but he chooses. And for s / n in 40 thousand he will laugh. How much does it take to grow up after a university?
      3. Midshipman
        Midshipman 20 September 2013 10: 25 New
        +5
        What kind of parental attention was there before the revolution, for example, when there were 10 children in a family and parents in the field from morning to evening, and at school they flogged the ropes for infringements at school? An example of a parent is what you need. Including in childbearing, which in itself is a blessing including according to any religion.
      4. DJEIN8
        DJEIN8 20 September 2013 16: 44 New
        0
        Фото нагана, ник "наган"..., флаг США, всё это не вызывает положительных эмоций и доверия............ , а вот текст.......
        Explain to them or not? .... no need ..... DO NOT UNDERSTAND ... judging by what I read in the article and in the comments above set out .... SCARY ....
        They only say that LITTLE BIRTH ..........
        ..КТО рожает и КОГО рожают, а далее "ВОСПИТЫВАЮТ"... , КЕМ они становятся в будущем
        .... WHO STATE consists of whom they turn to so often and who are so often unhappy with ......... WHO they themselves ... WHAT THEY .....
        Can they be trusted to bring up children in the family, in kindergartens, in schools
        in STATE INSTITUTIONS ......... wherever children should be educated, so that they become PEOPLE - HUMAN people with a capital letter, and not turn into .... population .....
        Those who will start to be indignant and everyone else ... I ASK ... what is going on around, WHAT you let in and urge to let even more children ... .. BAD officials, roads, cars, food, clothes, falling rockets .. and on through the long list ... not the ability to break away from the sacred HYPE that disfigures everything that comes into contact with it, of the same CHILDREN, all the moral ugliness that is going on, trying to determine the main bad state, and not your bestiality ... YOU .... THERE DO NOT HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP ... ???
        ALIENS are to blame for everything ............... ???
        Maybe you need to start (a very long time) to become HUMAN .... .... and be interested in what QUALITIES he MUST possess .... in addition to two arms and two legs, heads, which are present in animals ....... ..
        DO NOT INTEREST the author of the article CHILDREN in general, and in particular Russians, their future and the future of RUSSIA, but only NUMBERS related to the number of working hands ... and not only him ... he is not going to seriously delve into why they actually gave birth to more in tsarist RUSSIA, but only uses this information for his own purposes as well as the rest ... ... ..
        Who cares what the liberals say ... .. The main thing is what REALLY happens ... and it does not depend on ALL LIVING ... ???
        And a separate question for EVERYBODY - you won’t be hurt by the phrase ... MAKE A CHILD ...
        Would you like to say this, bearing in mind the birth of YOU YOURSELF ..............,
        think at your leisure ...., and indeed, everything you say and write over ... otherwise it happens ...,
        unfortunately lately more and more often ....... ..
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 17: 54 New
          0
          They say that they give birth little because they give birth little. To recover, you must first admit that you are sick. So in matters of demography. Why do you need to speak and call so often? Because you need to bring information to people. For many years, we were bullied by corrupt media, introduced into our and most importantly the heads of our parents that they were wrong ... and everything they had was not right. And now they will be taught how to ... and lead to the cliff.

          Now the time has changed. Those who were still very young and with an asterisk on their jackets grew up when suddenly everything became wrong. We silently observed how our parents were taught how to live properly, and perhaps it’s good that we didn’t listen very seriously to our parents. Yes, we also made many mistakes under this informational oppression, someone unlearned both the economist and the lawyer to learn. And someone in my head rang that I am the coolest .a and all the rest is shit. Someone was aggravated by the successes of former friends or classmates and we began to throw dust in the eyes of those around me ... I Am I am the most fashionable and cool ... And to someone it seemed important and significant. It seems to someone now. But there are those who woke up from all this shit and begin to live anew. I don’t know why this is happening, but my environment is not what you describe. There are problems, and there are many of them and officials. But this is not important, these are just obstacles on the way that are not difficult to overcome. and we overcome them, but do not whine.
          И меня радует что не только я или мои близкие так думаем ,меня радует что люди начинают говорить о том что на самом деле важно. и количество русских людей для меня важно, так же как и качество. И меня не оскорбляет фраза "завести ребенка". Это только словестная форма. Хоть наштамповать ,главное чтобы было больше русских детей в нормальных семьях, чтобы людьми росли. И я думаю людьми и вырастут, мы успеем им помочь. За себя вот я не уверен, к сожалению никого рядом не нашлось . В свое время хлебнул я жизни и много чего сам наделал. И теперь я вижу что к чему и отвернуть меня от этого не получится уже ни у какой рекламы или PR. И на всех кто льет говно мне на голову и на мою страну мне наплевать, за слепцами я не пойду.
          And the state is us. and don’t need to impose any opinions on me. I voted for someone, I did not write a complaint about the queue at the MFC. I did not dispute the meter reading or the house management agreement. And today, when I need something, I do it. If the neighbors do not move, then I do not forcibly pull them, but for myself I give my best and urge others to do it. We will create our own country, if not for ourselves, but for our children. And if we ourselves do not have a chance to live there. Then let them at least live and let them be more.
          А что они сделают со своим миром, это уже их дело. Это чему научим и как объясним. Главное чтобы было кому делать. Ведь не все из нашего покаления "доросли" до такого понимания. Многих с кем вместе в сад или школу ходил уже нет, так я то еще совсем не старый.
          Так что я благодарен своей матери что появился на свет и уже нисколько не жалею о том что каогда то чего то не получил или кудато не сходил. И очень стыдно что на мать кричал "лучше бы не рожала". Тупой был. и если вдруг свои дети мне такое заявят ,то не обижусь, а пойму что это я не доработал с ними, не тому научил или что то пропустил. Жаль у наших родителей не было времени и возможности все это увидить .потому мы их и "отставшими от времени" называли. Благо что хоть сами додумались немного остановиться и посмотреть на это "новое время" со стороны, без суеты. На эту бесконечную гонку за рублем и успехом...
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 21 September 2013 06: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: DJEIN8
          Фото нагана, ник "наган"..., флаг США, всё это не вызывает положительных эмоций и доверия

          And the owner of the gun, released in Izhevsk in 1944. Not deactivated, not converted into a rubber arrow, but a real combat one. I understand that it’s not normal that in America it’s easier to buy a real gun than in Russia, but this is a harsh reality.
          Ну а насчет флажка - я с самого начала не скрывал кто я и где я, под советским флажком "Рожденный в СССР" не прятался, хотя имею право. Не доверяете? Ваше право. hi
  5. Kiliny
    Kiliny 20 September 2013 07: 24 New
    +1
    Good article. With the loss of the USSR, people changed their life values. Everyone needs wealth and preferably free of charge. This is wrong. You need to try to live within our means.
  6. Denis
    Denis 20 September 2013 07: 24 New
    +3
    Have our great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers been materially richer than us?
    I only remember grandmothers, but the state always helped them and their parents, even with a small income. Not the current blah blah blah, but real and almost cheap pioneer camps, absolutely free mugs and sports sections. And where are these camps and pioneer houses?
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 07: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Denis
      but even the state always helped them and their parents, even with a small income. Not at present blah blah blah

      ETOGES then during serfdom, we Russians should have died out altogether? (and not only Russians by the way)
      1. Denis
        Denis 20 September 2013 08: 20 New
        0
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        ETOGES then during serfdom
        I don’t know how the state, but the landowners were definitely interested in increasing the number of their peasants
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 08: 32 New
          +2
          Come on ... In those days, people died due to droughts and frosty winters ... There was nothing to help peasants then.
          And people gave birth and large families were. And they gave birth especially for that, so that the strongest survive. And then they gave to apprentices from home, because there was nothing to feed
          1. Denis
            Denis 20 September 2013 10: 44 New
            0
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            In those days, people died due to droughts and frosty winters ...
            I doubt that their landowners, with the consent of the authorities, would arrange
            What is it for?
    2. Midshipman
      Midshipman 20 September 2013 10: 29 New
      +4
      Who helped the state 100 years ago ??? Then they did not even hear about pensions! And even more so in circles and sections. In this case, the families then had five to eight children only survivors. If we do not change our consumer psychology, our patriotism is worthless, because these concepts are incompatible.
  7. vitek1233
    vitek1233 20 September 2013 07: 24 New
    +3
    Article + Unfortunately you can’t make women give birth, but it’s possible not to give birth
  8. Warrawar
    Warrawar 20 September 2013 07: 30 New
    +1
    The state produces poverty, not people.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 07: 41 New
      +4
      I often travel to the north of Sakhalin and see how indigenous peoples live.
      They live almost in a primitive system, but they have 5-6 children each as well!
      Here is this phrase:
      Quote: Warrawar
      The state produces poverty, not people.

      Говорит лишь о воспитании как у кукушонка... только орать "Дааааааааай!", в сторону государства...
      And you? Nothing to feed? so you are a man! go fishing, hunt, pickle mushrooms for the winter and other supplies on the balcony.
      Do not wear what? So thank God our Chinese friends are selling pretty decent clothes at bargain prices.
      1. j iz sibiri
        j iz sibiri 20 September 2013 08: 41 New
        +1
        the state should certainly help

        not a man go fishing to hunt and so on it is for the inhabitants of the countryside and then in question

        but what about the inhabitants of the metropolis or forgotten the year 98?
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 20 September 2013 08: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: j iz sibiri
          not a man go fishing to hunt and so on it is for the inhabitants of the countryside and then in question

          I am a resident of the regional center (a town for 300 people, not a megopolis, of course, but still), I was born and raised in the city, but hunting and fishing are sacred!
          I can’t call myself a great hunter and fisherman, but I don’t buy poultry and fish at the store at all! Squeamish .. meat is necessary ... Boars are not found in our forests, but deer are Red Book.
          It’s full of bears, but they’re not tasty)))) But you won’t be full of hares, and I’m not a fan of hare.

          Do many people in our cities live without visiting? And are there any fans of hunting and fishing in megacities?
          And by the way, fishing is very good in the Moscow Region ... As I come to friends, I’m sure to get out good (but with ours, Sakhalin and not near lying! So come to hunt and go fishing for us!)
          1. j iz sibiri
            j iz sibiri 20 September 2013 09: 13 New
            0
            So come hunt and go fishing with us!)

            no thanks, I have nature itself as dirt

            you are probably a super hunter and a fisherman, I envy you (I have this not so smooth)

            I was born in the countryside and raised

            but those who were born and raised in the city to them what to do in the taiga (especially Muscovites) to die painfully and for a long time?
      2. Midshipman
        Midshipman 20 September 2013 10: 34 New
        +1
        Поддерживаю абсолютно. Государство такое, государство сякое, денег не дает, права ущемляет, так не долго и до "проклятой рашки" докатиться. Не надо ныть и жаловаться, самим надо что-то делать, стать мужиком в конце концов. Хотя как стать мужиком единственному сыночку разведенной мамаши, которая ему жёпу до совершеннолетия подтирает. Чем больше семья, тем больше шансов воспитать в ней настоящего человека.
  9. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 20 September 2013 07: 34 New
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    Мои хорошие знакомые хотели завести второго ребенка, но взяли в кредит по машине и все, на ребенка денег не будет. Интересно, у их машин есть функция "накормить престарелого хозяина"?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 20 September 2013 08: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: FC Skif
      My good friends wanted to have a second child, but they took a loan on the car and that’s all, there will be no money for the child.

      So much for your health. A cool choice of our time: a car or a child. Maybe it's good that they did not give birth to a second?
  10. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 20 September 2013 07: 34 New
    -1
    hi Вобщем тема .....-Рожать или не рожать нашим Русским девчонкам... Именно нашим и именно Русскимм..,да ,признательно два"мм",ой минус в Ваши головы....От кого ...............
    "Мы зачахнем и умрём. "-как-бы не пришлось...переборем всех без ВОСКЛИЦАТЕЛЬНЫХ ЗНАКОВ....ага...Это кирпич.

    1. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 20 September 2013 08: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Вобщем тема .....-Рожать или не рожать нашим Русским девчонкам... Именно нашим и именно Русскимм..,да ,признательно два"мм",ой минус в Ваши головы....От кого ...............
      "Мы зачахнем и умрём. "-как-бы не пришлось...переборем всех без ВОСКЛИЦАТЕЛЬНЫХ ЗНАКОВ....ага...Это кирпич.

      Sorry, but I don't seem to understand anything. Can I somehow decipher the armored vehicles for the crews?
  11. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 20 September 2013 07: 39 New
    0
    from the Don.
    The author needs to go down from heaven to earth. The bulk of the people live below the baseboard! Without solving the cost of housing, housing and communal services without government participation there will be no increase in fertility. The family should be a priority of the country's concerns after the army. Matkapital will not solve the whole complex of tasks to create strong, large families !!!
  12. j iz sibiri
    j iz sibiri 20 September 2013 07: 41 New
    0
    most people just don’t have confidence in tomorrow
    all defaults and other crap played a big role in this

    our grandfathers and grandmothers had confidence and we do not have it

    for example, I’m probably able to feed my children and I have 4 of them (work hunting, fishing garden), but what should a resident of a megalopolis do?

    yes, I also forgot, and I live in Siberia where nature remains a little bit more



    and I write PROBABLY because it will be difficult if that
    1. washi
      washi 20 September 2013 11: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: j iz sibiri
      most people just don’t have confidence in tomorrow
      all defaults and other crap played a big role in this
      our grandfathers and grandmothers had confidence and we do not have it

      And when was this confidence in the state?
      The people relied only on themselves. Therefore, he gave birth. More family, more economic base of the family. In addition to parents, there are grandparents, brothers and sisters, uncles, aunts, etc. Slavs, unlike other peoples of the Russian Federation, began to lose their roots - family, clan.
      By the way, those who are trying to destroy our families support their own. Assigning his relatives to leadership positions.
  13. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 20 September 2013 07: 46 New
    +1
    Why is reason given to you? To breed rampant? And live on a beggarly allowance? In the Soviet Union there was a real state concern for children. There were pioneer clubs, hobby groups, sports sections. There were cheap tickets to pioneer camps. There were subsidies for children's goods. There were social obligations of enterprises to employees.
    Now the state has withdrawn from itself and enterprises almost all social obligations. You have to pay for everything. Housing for a worker is practically unavailable, children's clothing is more expensive than an adult. 3 weeks in a children's camp cost more than a monthly salary.
    I do not want my children to eat in social canteens !!! I want to give them a normal education !!! And I have as many children as I can afford! And not as much as possible.
    1. washi
      washi 20 September 2013 11: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Michael m
      Why is reason given to you? To breed rampant? And live on a beggarly allowance? Housing for a worker is practically unavailable, children's clothing is more expensive than an adult. 3 weeks in a children's camp cost more than a monthly salary.
      I do not want my children to eat in social canteens !!! I want to give them a normal education !!! And I have as many children as I can afford! And not as much as possible.

      Be fruitful and multiply. And as little as possible between children. Then do not re-buy clothes and strollers. And your children and grandchildren will not have to eat in social canteens (brothers and sisters will help if you give them a normal family upbringing).
      And what kind of education is considered normal? The one you are planning, or the one your children want? Or maybe that which the state, the enterprise considers necessary, and for which finances are allocated?
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 September 2013 07: 48 New
    +6
    From the point of view of evolution, he left offspring - well done he won, sit down five.
    Did not leave offspring - slag and waste. Who were you, how did you live, what did you eat, what did you think, evolution does not bother absolutely.
  15. Hort
    Hort 20 September 2013 07: 58 New
    +1
    По моим наблюдениям чаще всего семью с одним ребёнком (и нежеланием либо не особым желанием родить второго и третьего) составляют люди моего поколения - тридцатилетние (плюс-минус три года). А общая тенденция такова, что наоборот, народ стремится "заделать" двоих, а то и троих киндеров. Притом вполне осознанно, что не может не радовать.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 20 September 2013 08: 07 New
      +4
      Media: By 2025, Russia may lose 11 million people
      Specialists working on the demographic development strategy until the 2050 year have come to the conclusion that, due to the birth crisis that arose in Russia in the 90 years, by 2025 year, our country may be missing more than 11 million people.
      “At present, women born in the 90 of the last century are entering the period of childbearing, when, due to the difficult socio-economic situation of the country, a significant decline in the birth rate was observed. For at least 10 of the coming years, this factor will entail a significant decrease in the birth rate and a further aggravation of the demographic problem, ”reads an explanatory note to one of these documents.
      more details http://vz.ru/news/2013/9/19/651051.html

      2025,2050 years again. am
      maximum for the next 5-10 years you need to build a strategy.
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 20 September 2013 09: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: hort
      общая тенденция такова, что наоборот, народ стремится "заделать" двоих, а то и троих киндеров. Притом вполне осознанно, что не может не радовать.

      This is a great trend. And we ourselves must do our best to support such people. There will be help from the neighbor - we will turn the mountains.
  16. rereture
    rereture 20 September 2013 08: 26 New
    +4
    Yesterday I asked in my group who wants children in the future, all the girls answered that at least two children, most of the guys expressed a desire to have two to three children (one answered 5).
    1. Darakht
      Darakht 20 September 2013 08: 30 New
      -4
      Quote: rereture
      one answered 5

      Some kind of sex giant laughing
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 20 September 2013 08: 38 New
        +6
        Quote: Daraht
        Some kind of sex giant


        No, it's just a normal Russian guy.
  17. V. Tarasyan
    V. Tarasyan 20 September 2013 08: 38 New
    +6
    From the experience of others, and from my own experience, I can say that there are much more problems in families with one child than in those where there are several children. The problems are very different, from the unsatisfied requirements of a grown-up child to inadequate behavior, up to problems with the law.
    I bring up two myself, my sister has three, so I know the situation firsthand.
    1. washi
      washi 20 September 2013 11: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: V. Tarasyan
      From the experience of others, and from my own experience, I can say that there are much more problems in families with one child than in those where there are several children. The problems are very different, from the unsatisfied requirements of a grown-up child to inadequate behavior, up to problems with the law.
      I bring up two myself, my sister has three, so I know the situation firsthand.

      I agree. In large families, they get used to taking care not only of themselves, but also of others. There are fewer infantile egoists, who later recall their parents only when they share the inheritance.
  18. Igarr
    Igarr 20 September 2013 08: 46 New
    +5
    Yes, it’s probably too late for me to discuss this.
    There are three of their (official), adults are already girls.
    But still, but still ...
    Hunting, fishing, gardening is, of course, good. You can also grab from someone else's garden. No, really?
    To put on and put on shoes .... well, that’s how I learned to sew from students as a student. Robes even sewed girls.
    I won’t talk about shoes. Chuni lightly blind. And to fix it - no problem at all.
    Himself with the highest, brother with the highest. Children, that his, that mine - with the highest.
    I have long been convinced that large families are also good for the fact that they (due to more careful planning, limiting needs, yielding to each other) yield more close-knit relatives. Usually. Siblings always help each other, support.
    What a long way to go — large families from the Caucasus and Asia — we all know very well — they stand behind each other.
    ....
    But I really want my parents to pay not just for income.
    The whole complex - many children - more workers (income) in the future. This is transparent.
    The state can very well afford to conduct a more coherent policy on children !!!
    It is necessary to return the social package for children - kindergartens, camps, bases, Zarnitsy, Arteki, a subsidized school uniform.
    No money needed. Let there be opportunities.
    And everything will change.
    Sure.
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny 20 September 2013 08: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Igarr
      And everything will change.
      Sure.


      Dear Igor, there would be more people like you and such opinions as yours! Taking off my hat hi
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 20 September 2013 12: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Igarr
      I have long been convinced that large families are also good for the fact that they (due to more careful planning, limited needs, yielding to each other) give output to more close-knit relatives. Usually. Siblings always help each other, support.
      В семье пресловутых Рокфеллеров был один велосипед. Так как родители считали, что: «Имея один велосипед на четверых, они научатся делиться друг с другом…"
  19. j iz sibiri
    j iz sibiri 20 September 2013 08: 48 New
    0
    we don’t have to force anyone to force people to condemn; we are not stupid (but there are rare exceptions) who know how much to give birth or not to give birth

    but the role of the state in relation to the family should certainly be
  20. radio operator
    radio operator 20 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +4
    Good liberals constantly teach us that we have to give birth to children less in order to get more of our tasty and good things to their children, who will come to the place of our unborn ...

    С конца 80-ых, при поддержке фонда Сороса в СССР были открыты "центры планирования семьи", в которых шла пропаганда абортов и средств предохранения. По сути, был запущен механизм по снижению численности народов СССР под благовидным предлогом "прав женщин". Верх цинизма.
    We have, and so, since the beginning of the 60-s, the format of the 1-2 child for a family (on average) has been established, and here is this Soros ...
    It's time to remember your roots.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 20 September 2013 09: 27 New
      +4
      Such as Nikita Ershov created this country!
  21. darksoul
    darksoul 20 September 2013 09: 52 New
    +2
    How did the media say ... create poverty?
    I would say leave the heirs. We die and what remains after us? Here I am already immortal because I have two heirs behind me and I think the third will be .. my blood.
    And at these secular writers, club party-goers? life to the fullest? dead .. and nobody will remember about them

    These are the ideas that need to be promoted to the people. Produce poverty ... the author of this expression would tear the eggs if they are
  22. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 20 September 2013 09: 56 New
    0
    This is not the current trend, at least since the 80s. The birth of a child is firstly plowing for life (given the mentality in Russia), and secondly, a decrease in the standard of living of each family member, including (I emphasize) parents.
    After the military baby boom (my maternal grandmother has 16 births) and the poor economic situation, our parents developed a certain desire for good welfare. Parents, when contraceptives appeared in the access (and I do not remember when the permission for abortion), already reduced the birth rate (my mother has 3 births). Motivating, let the children live normally and get an education. The fewer children in the family, the more attention is paid to them (in prosperous), with their (children) less concern for each other, the more selfish they grow up automatically. This led to the requirement of a certain material minimum and the priority of their interests in adulthood. Now it’s not uncommon for statements like I’ll live until 30-35, I’ll live then I will marry.
    1. washi
      washi 20 September 2013 12: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Yuri I.
      This is not the current trend, at least since the 80s. The birth of a child is firstly plowing for life (given the mentality in Russia), and secondly, a decrease in the standard of living of each family member, including (I emphasize) parents.
      After the military baby boom (my maternal grandmother has 16 births) and the poor economic situation, our parents developed a certain desire for good welfare. Parents, when contraceptives appeared in the access (and I do not remember when the permission for abortion), already reduced the birth rate (my mother has 3 births). Motivating, let the children live normally and get an education. The fewer children in the family, the more attention is paid to them (in prosperous), with their (children) less concern for each other, the more selfish they grow up automatically. This led to the requirement of a certain material minimum and the priority of their interests in adulthood. Now it’s not uncommon for statements like I’ll live until 30-35, I’ll live then I will marry.

      Не правильная позиция. Если люди создают семью, значит они хотят иметь общее хозяйство, общих детей. Материальный минимум постоянно меняется под давлением внешних обстоятельств (пропаганда уровня жизни на примерах олигархата и "культурных" деятелей. Чем больше возраст, тем больше болячек появляется (это не СССР, где в продуктах питания даже туалетная бумага (из-за ее нехватки) отсутствовала) благодаря химии в ежедневном питании (глюконат натрия, который добавляют везде, вызывает выработку женских гормонов (результат - падение потенции) и изменение зрения).
      It is necessary to give birth until any g ....
      Then the children will be healthy.
      Somehow I came across an article that many women are pregnant after 50 to rejuvenate the body. And then they get rid of the fetus.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 20 September 2013 14: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Vasya
        Wrong position. If people start a family,

        I did not understand, if this is about me, then this is not a position, but an attempt to describe the situation that did not appear today. And if you are talking about young people, then these are personalities that have formed in this situation and are in no hurry to start a family. When creating a family, they are often limited to one child, and the initiators are often women. Because selfishness creates uncertainty in personal relationships, and increases the number of divorces.
  23. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 20 September 2013 10: 12 New
    0
    And the cons of the article were put by Margaret Thatcher fans, as I understand it. Hitler had a program to reduce the population in the occupied lands. Who cares, find on the Internet. So this program has been run on us since the beginning of the 90s. practically word for word.
  24. Rezun
    Rezun 20 September 2013 10: 21 New
    +3
    Вспомнился фильм "Никто не хотел умирать".
    Медведиха спрашивает молодую:"Любишь моего сына?"
    Молодая отвечает:"Не знаю..."
    Медведиха:"А что тут знать?Хочешь от него детей-значит,любишь!"

    Difficulties, youth, modernity are from the evil one, and children from love.
  25. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 20 September 2013 10: 40 New
    0
    Не хочу критиковать автора, во многом я с ним согласен, если быть до конца откровенным.Но и перегибов много...Лично к автору хочу обратиться, товарищ, ну что это за глупая фраза:"Да, сегодня остро стоит проблема жилья, что ограничивает рождаемость. Но разве для двоих-троих детей нужны хоромы?".а вы батенька в 7м в однокомнатной квартире ютиться готовы или что?Что за глупости про то что:"В торгово-развлекательных центрах полным-полно людей. На увеселительных зрелищах – давка." это наверно потому что в кино-концерт-музей сходить. непомерно меньший расход чем, одеть-прокормить-обеспечить(лечение, ясли-детсад-школу).Автор близок к правильной мысли, но видит её из далека.
    And yes, I ask you not to tell me that they say go to the village once there is not enough space, who needs it and goes.
  26. Skiper
    Skiper 20 September 2013 11: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: sergey32
    Yesterday I was only at the parent's meeting with the youngest, cursing with parents and teachers.

    У меня малой в детсад ходит. Так я тоже, на собрании, с родителями ругался. В комнате где они спят все окна забиты гвоздями и пленкой закрыты и зимой и летом. Говорю, давайте хоть одно окно открытым оставим, чтоб проветривалась комната перед сном а летом весь день открытая пусть будет. так бабы как накинулись "кто лечить детей потом будет?" говорю Так откуда откуда у них в закрытой комнате появится здоровье без свежего воздуха. А они ни в какую, не будем открывать и все.
  27. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 20 September 2013 11: 37 New
    +1
    По подсчетам демографов, на территории России в 21 веке должны были проживать около 1,5 миллиарда человек, российских граждан. При сохранении рождаемости, на уровне начала 20 века. Но череда войн, и революций не дали этому сбыться. Конечно, никто не отрицает, что западные аналитики и их "последователи" в нашей стране стараются доказать, что сокращение народонаселения на территории России это благо для страны. Но нормальным людям ясно, что это путь к концу России. Therefore, measures taken by the leadership of Russia to increase the birth rate is a very necessary measure. And it needs to be strengthened. In a word, the state will then be strong, successful when it has LOTS OF PEOPLE!
  28. nnz226
    nnz226 20 September 2013 11: 41 New
    +4
    Только про родителей, братьев и сестёр человек не может сказать: "бывший" ("это - мой бывший(ая)") и родителям надо думать и о том, что они уйдут из этого мира, и их единственный ребёнок останется совсем один. Когда умер отец, моя сестра рыдала у меня на плече, а не было бы у неё брата? И ещё: меня бесит жалостливое: "Они потеряли единственного ребёнка" (конечно, родители не должны хоронить своих детей - это неправильно), но родителям хочется задать вопрос: "А кто вам мешал завести второго и третьего ребёнка?!" даже потеряв одного, нашли бы отраду в других, так нет ведь- работа, карьера , искусство - а потом гулкая старость и сожаление. (знаю таких) У нас с женой трое детей - всех вырастили, хотя дочка родилась в 1992 г., когда пушной полярный лис гулял по всему СНГ.
  29. George
    George 20 September 2013 12: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Vasya

    What are you? it is not prestigious. So how does such an amazing parent have a child - a tractor driver or a locksmith? Yes, all the friends will laugh.
    This began to grind back in the 80's. There are prestigious professions, there are monetary ones. Less attention was paid to manufacturers and security workers: workers, peasants, engineers, Moscow Region, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB and more and more service staff: Traders, singers, hairdressers, writers, etc.

    Ну не парадокс? Родители сами подталкивают своих чад к лени " Учись чтобы не работать, а то будешь вкалывать задаром"
    Скольких знаю мастеров своего дела , именно спецов , из разных сфер, которых люди на руках готовы носить и ценят на вес золота , и в противовес им "посещавших" вуз лодырей безмозглых.
  30. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 20 September 2013 13: 14 New
    +1
    There is nothing more vile than to reduce a person’s life to figuratively speaking, the stomach. This is a reduction of a person’s personality to an animal being.
    "Не хлебом единым жив человек... - Иисус Христос.
    Food for the stomach, or stomach for food, clothing for a person, or person for clothing, etc.?
  31. Powder donut
    Powder donut 20 September 2013 14: 32 New
    -2
    Great article !!! More to such! Put a minus sorry I can only one!
    How do I read such articles with such phrases I remember the neighbors in one southern provincial town
    • do not increase the composition of the family (or even reduce, killing your own child in the womb).
    Соседи у нас там славные были говорили (точнее мама семейства из 8 человек)"не могу аборт сделать, это ж убийство" А жили бедно парой жрать ничего не было, прошло время выросли парни и девки. Толковые только 2 первых получились им больше всего внимания досталось, третий участвовал вместе с друзьями отморозками в изнасиловании и убийстве. Девочку вчетвером трахнули на территории детсада вечером, задушили и в канализационный колодец выкинули. Младшие сестренки непроч ножки раздвинуть просто так и за время проведенное в веселой компании где нить в кафе.
    Karoch this moral of the story is such to endure and give birth is not the most difficult, it is difficult then to grow up a normal person for 18-20 years. There are people who are not even able to grow one
    The author would you rather call for other things out in the section of children to drive and pay more attention to them ...
  32. Docent1984
    Docent1984 20 September 2013 16: 31 New
    +3
    No need to throw stones at me, read at least until the end ...
    The sounded problem is close to me personally. Not so long ago I started a family, and, like all normal people, I plan on procreation. And he spent more than one night without sleep thinking about it. My deepest conviction that the most important thing is to grow a MAN. Not an individual of the human race, namely HUMAN. And for this, it’s not enough just to dress and feed him. It is very important to give him a chance to say in 30 years - I had a happy childhood. And this takes time, a lot of time.
    Мы с женой из обычных советских семей, средств на приобретение жилья не было, поэтому пришлось скрепя сердце взять кредит. Сейчас живем в своей квартире. Чтобы рассчитаться с долгами, платить коммуналку, иногда покупать какие-то вещи, иногда позволять себе скромный отдых, мне приходится работать на 2 работах, временами хвататься за всякую халтуру и прочее. Что такое "нечего делать" я уже даже не помню) Я не буду лукавить и говорить, что все плохо. В моем городе процентов 70 живут беднее, чем я. И для себя я не нахожу поводов для жалости или уныния. У меня все хорошо... Но...
    But I have serious doubts that there will be enough time and energy to raise and raise a worthy person more than one child. I will not be able to tear. And now I'm not talking about the material factor - my parents did everything themselves, and they raised me like that, and I will raise my child (or children) like that. But time may not be enough ... The Soviet state helped raise children. There is no need to argue with this - I myself remember. And now ... I am afraid of trusting this state of raising my children. And upbringing, and education - in fact, I'm afraid. It does not inspire confidence.

    How to deal with this? What are your opinions, friends?
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 20 September 2013 17: 57 New
      +3
      I will say for myself, when a lot of children start to think better how to provide them. If a man does not drink, there will be money. Yes, we have to strain, for that we are men.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 20 September 2013 18: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Docent1984
      How to deal with this? What are your opinions, friends?

      He will be five years old, give him to the section. Just first check the information and look at the trainer. The same goes for kindergarten. In my school, my teachers also teach, so I trust them. The first three years are difficult for everyone. As soon as you give it to kindergarten, it becomes immediately easier. This is if no one helps parents to sit with their children. And of course, attention should always be given to children every day. I think we once went through a lot, today's children are still simpler. So some problem areas are always easy to spot. Now, thank God in pharmacies and Dimedrol will not be sold, and the kids will smell the glue or breathe not so much gasoline. You need to worry about more problematic places when your child has the first normal money. The main thing is to immediately determine what the child himself wants, what he is drawn to. It is not difficult if you give him all your free time and a little more in the first years. Further simpler.
      And about the second child. The main thing is that the difference is no more than two years. Almost no difficulties, the main thing is that the living conditions allow, at least 2 rooms, since they will not give each other sleep, then one more, then another.
      The same is true for the third. By this time, the first one already goes to kindergarten, and helps to distract her sister.
      It is not necessary to be afraid of responsibility, but it is necessary to understand it. I once thought for myself. Whether I can still work on the normal when the youngest is 20 or not. If I convince myself that I can, then someone in heaven has a chance to stay in this world. Here a problem with his wife may arise ...
    3. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 20 September 2013 20: 44 New
      +2
      I am afraid of trusting this state of raising my children. And upbringing, and education - in fact, I'm afraid. It does not inspire confidence.

      Dear Pavel!
      You DO NOT even bother to trust your children with anyone. Unhappy parents and even more unhappy children of such parents who entrusted the upbringing of their children to the same state, or even to whom.
      Respected Sergey-sergey32, You have already explained everything simply and intelligently. Personally and very closely, I know several really large families and have time for everything, they somehow succeed (without being educated by the state, or by someone else). It’s in the city, and if it’s in the countryside, it would be great ...
      I’ll add from myself, the problem of our society, that for the last 60 years, children have more and more come off their parents and, as a result, an amorphous society, a ruined country, etc. Too long to explain causes, consequences and consequences with consequences.
      BUT!
      Listen to your heart, with your spouse achieve unity, mutual understanding in this matter (without her consent and interaction with her, failure) and, listen to the opinion Sergey Sergey32.
      DO NOT HOPE ON THE STATE ONLY ... IT IS YOURSELF NEEDED FOR YOU (yes, even if it weren’t needed). Yes, that's it.
      Sorry for the confusion, this is a very sensitive topic for me.
      GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU! soldier
      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 22 September 2013 10: 22 New
        +1
        Thanks for the advice!
  33. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 20 September 2013 17: 13 New
    0
    I agree with the article, and the state is obliged to help, thanks at least it gives us the opportunity to buy our gas, gasoline, and electricity, and as a whole the state is just wonderful